Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Brandy and Julie, America’s Next Top Model, RHOBH, Epstein

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

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Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood Tales for real life, Mr. Segment's Serial Data and Serial Sister. You'll be addicted and addicted. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have your favorite dynamic comedic duo that dabbles in the

absurdity of politics, the stars of dumb gay politics podcast. We have Julie Goldman and Brandy Howard. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop Girls. Good to see you. We've missed you. I know. And you missed a real fun weekend. And don't say you weren't invited because I said, what are you doing Sunday? Meet me in Palm Springs. It's modernism week.

And we got a table at Bar Isse. We went to the Shag House. We went in an old-fashioned car And all I can think about is how much Both of you How much Brandy would love the glam How much Julie would love the car How you guys would both love the old-fashioned houses

And I'm like, sorry, nerds doing taxes Nerds being responsible It's true. It's true Sorry. It is true And now we're leaving to Minneapolis And we'll not be able to see you I was just I wasn't going to brag about myself But I mean

here I am like looking so like I walked out of 19 like 68. I love the people behind you. It's like, it's so fabulous. That was Roger Moore's house that now Martin Ballard has owned and redone for a decade. And he had an event there. No, we weren't invited to that though. Well, that one was Valentine's Day. I don't know.

But you look so good. Just teasing you. The next day was so good, too. I know, I know. I love this picture. And then yesterday, I went on the double-decker bus with Shannon and her pickleball friends. How was it? I'm squeezing it on that friendship.

She's like, and so, anyway, really fun. It was two and a half hours on the double-decker bus because we thought it was going to rain and it did not rain. Oh. And it rained here. I loved it. It was like nostalgic. It was, you know. it was fun but now for next year like I know exactly

the events and things to do like there's this there's a house you can go into that's like up in the mountains that's a tour and that one I want to go to like I want to go like now they've done a couple things I'm like okay next year I can do trouble because there's so many things to choose from do you go in the houses or do you just look at the outside we went into one of the houses and then there happened to be two open houses on that streets. It was like those were free. But then you do a little tour where like a volunteer

like a persnickety gay guy is like, knows everything, but it's like a delight. We'll tell you everything how they did the house. They redid the house. Blah, blah, blah. And yeah, it's just like jam. I just like want to go back. It's all and then they showed us where they filmed or took the likeness for

don't worry about, don't worry about it darling. Don't worry darling. Don't worry darling. Don't worry darling, which is just like The one in the... The Palm Springs where they each had like a different colored door and a different colored car. I love that movie. The ending was weird,

but the beginning of them living in that 60s style was just like heaven. I love their inside of their houses in that movie too. I know. It's just... Well, now you know. He has a sunken living room. And then, yeah, and just...

You were in Robin Moore's house. How cool is that? I know. How cool is that? Roger Moore. Next year. Well, first of all, we'll do something. something with Martin on another night just us.

We need, Julie and I need to be with Martin to discuss Erica Jane's pool area that he redid. He has so much going on. He's going to do a juicy scoop. I'm going to go to his house. He's got big things, really big things coming out that I don't know if I'm allowed to take. Okay, so now let's just, it was Valentine's Day weekend. But before we get into that, as of now, Nancy Guthrie still has not been found. And there's been some weirder things to it. One of the things that the TikTokers have

brought up and now even page six and other people are talking about it is there was this one guy that was like a neighbor that said, I don't know, like he inserted himself into it and he's like, I don't know, I would look at the brother-in-law or whatever. And one of the photos from the cam,

from the ring cam, the person's wearing a glove and it looks like they have a ring on. And so they noticed that guy talking in the neighborhood to have a ring that would look to be that shape. I think it's a bit of a stretch. I think if I had this ring on,

it would probably look like that under a glove, but I don't know. And his ring was more like a medallion. I mean, geez, you're going to just say that? I'm not saying I was there, but if it was my ring, I don't even know, Nancy. What don't know what you're talking?

you about. I saw the video and it's a flat. It's a flat like a medallel. Almost like you, like a class ring kind of like a flat like a men's like royal ring. Maybe like slight writing on it and kind of be thick gold. Not a wedding ring. Yeah. Not a jewel.

The guy had a weird vibe though. Yeah. So between the ring kind of matching and then him inserting himself and not only inserting himself but then saying it's the brother in law. You know it was giving like Idaho murders. Remember how that guy kind of couldn't keep off the message boards? Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly, which is something that happens a lot, where they show up or they're the ones leading the search or whatever, they're there at the vigil.

Then Harvey Levin, I saw four hours ago, one of the news sources said, TMZ is going to stop reporting on the tips that they get. And then I opened the phone right before we were about to record one hour ago, Harvey Levin, we've got a hot tip. We got another letter from the person, why they keep sending it there. He also said, now they think that she might be in Mexico. Well, how did she get in Mexico? Do they also take her passport? I mean, the thing about it is she, you know, she's an older woman. She doesn't have a distinct look.

You know, even if you put a wig on her glasses, you wouldn't say, literally I sent you a photo of a woman. enjoying our favorite salad at Porta Villa on El Paso. And I said, do you think Nancy just drove from Arizona to Palm Desert just to get away? And it's just enjoying that dill salad, that Portia salad. But between your ring and you spotting her in Palm Desert, it's becoming clearer and clearer. Oh, my God. I mean, they also had a, I think an archbishop from, I don't think he's the Catholic Archbishop.

Do they have Archbishops like an Episcopalian or? Anyway, Presbyterian. Anyway, somebody of high religious order prayed with the cat, with the, with the coasts of the Today Show today. Oh. Oh, that's weird. And it is weird. That's weird.

There was another weird thing where another person discovered that Savannah's husband. And I know people are like, believe her alone. I don't care. This is juicy. scoop. This is all everyone's talking about. I'm going to tell you the stuff that we found. I'm not accusing anybody. I'm saying what people are putting together since nobody can find her. And the other day, they're like, oh, there was a lot. There was even like something where I saw like,

oh, we found a dropped glove. Yeah. Like they're doing like, OJ. Like, like really a dropped glove matches the DNA of that was touched, that touched the, I don't even know. It's like really weird. It's fucking weird. And so they said, where is Savannah? Because the sister and the brother-in-law have been seen in Tucson, her husband, who I, who did have a business with the Clintons, who did have a company that like was PR and for politics called work or something like that. So he is connected. She did interview Epstein victims at a time. She did write a book that in the book, someone read a portion of the book that. As children, her cousin would kidnap she and her sister for fun and take them away for three days and then the mom would play along with it.

They'd be like, we have your daughters. And the mom would play along with it. What? It's in one of her memoirs or one of her books about spirituality, Savannah. Oh, because it's part of spirituality. Part of spirituality? Getting kidnapped. I mean, we all talked about being kidnapped.

We all talked about, you know, you were adopted. Your older brother would tell you you were adopted. whatever. I'm not saying, I'm just saying all the weird things, okay? Yeah. The other one was, when she did her video, she's like sitting outside near like a succulent type of plant that could be in North Hollywood. It could be in Tucson. It could be whatever. And this girl goes, oh, there's a white stucco behind her, but that's not the outside of Nancy's house and that's not the outside of Annie's house. where is Savannah if she's not been spotted in Tucson since this started.

Not at a restaurant, not in front of the house, not just in the little videos that we've seen one with the family and then one with her alone. Still thanking for prayers. Could be an Airbnb. We don't know. I am just saying as we, this is the only story that they're feeding us and we don't know where this woman is. I'm helping trying to help find her with my ring and my sponsor. honest. I honestly, this is the most confusing, bizarre, weird, shady. I mean, it's like there's nothing to hold on to. It's awful. It just makes me think of my own mother if this were to

happen to my own mother. Now, I don't think someone would withstand my own mother. I think if they came into the house and they tried anything, I think her Jewish motherness would literally they just wouldn't be able like, what are you doing here? Lay on! Like there would be no way to withstand her. But like, I don't...

Or she'd maybe be the type that would be like, well, what you should have done. Yes, of course. If you're going to do a proper kidnapping, what you should have done, exactly. And that's the photo you choose? That's right.

Yeah, you don't, that's how you open a door? That's how you open a door? No, I'm not, I can't. You're exactly right. She would literally... I just feel so bad for Nancy. Like whatever happened to Nancy, I can't, I mean, I just, it's just awful. It could just be one of those super bizarre things.

Or did they? It happened with, you know, it was a very bizarre thing that happened with Elizabeth Smart, you know, and she was found years later, not years, months later. But, I mean, we just don't know. There have been weird things and we just hope that it's okay. I just don't know the motive unless it's money, in which case I would, you know, hope that they pay the money and try to, like, get her back. Plus at this point, too, every single thing. My mind right now is so deep into Epstein that like every single thing is connected. Somehow connected. And I don't know how. It's like everything's connected. And I don't know what the theory is. I don't have, I can't say this is what I think. Yeah. Because I don't know what it changes every day.

And I just think, you know, sometimes now when things pass and they're like, but we will pay you, but it's Bitcoin. But why are you going to Harvey Levin? And like, I just feel like, who knows? It's just at a certain point. And then when does all of a sudden they stop reporting on it? It's, yeah. And the Bitcoin is, it's just all of it. It's just all of it.

It's just so weird. And the, even at the beginning, when the first second it started, the sheriff, they made such a huge, listen, and not that they shouldn't, but people get kidnapped and killed. And there's a lot of horrible things that happen to people every single day that go under the radar, are not reported, or whatever. And the level that they came out with this also seemed weird. I mean, they just found 75 kids in L.A. that were being trafficked between the ages, girls and boys, 13 to 15. 75 in just L.A. So those kids were all missing. Those kids, nobody knew where they were.

They still haven't arrested David, the singer, in the crime where the girl was found in his Tesla. Oh, right. They haven't. Is he missing? Is he missing? No. He's just not arrested. Oh, I guess they know.

They just haven't arrested him yet. I don't know. Okay. So it was, it was, look at, look who liked it, by the way. I love it. In my photo that I took. This is Portia, who is

enjoying a lesbian love affair this Valentine's Day. Lesbian Valentine's. Lesbian Valentine's Day. Which is a fun part is when they were in, I think they were in Thailand or Vietnam, when they did their ultimate girls trip and she was there and there was that cute

guy who was the butler of the house. Yeah, that idiot. And they kept showing that Pepsi or whatever dumbass name is. He said, and he says, you're going to be a lesbian. And she goes, what? He's like, you're going to be a lesbian. And they show that. And then anyway, now she's a lesbian. I don't remember that. I don't remember any of that.

It might have been saying something else, but it sounds like that. And people have made it like funny because now she is in love. Happy the lesbian day, Portia. That is quite a to-do. It was, you would have thought it was an engagement, a wedding. This must have cost $50,000 to $60,000. And she got a fancy burkin from her girlfriend. It was people filming it and walking around.

And I'm like, the production that these influencer reality stars do to show the world that I'm in love. Like, it makes me feel like if I was to do that, like, I, like, like, You guys should recreate it. I would be buying all my own gifts. And then I'd be like, Peter, just get up from the chair. Action, Peter, come on. And then I mean like, what? What?

Stop it. Okay, because then, Bree, who's one of nine baby mamas and selling sunset realtor with Nick Cannon. Someone argues she might be number one. I don't know. Someone argues she's between two and three. many of the girls did elaborate Christmas card photo shoots

that they all shared on Instagram I think four to five of them did it he participated in all of them good for him so then this girl Bree was like oh no I know we all did Christmas I'm gonna get you on Valentine's Day and he's wearing a Phantom of the Opera mask so at first I was like maybe she just got an actor

exactly maybe she just got somebody to shove it in the other baby mom's face but then the more I looked. And then someone's like in the comments, wow, he did a great job. Did he do it all himself? And she wrote, my planner helped. And then people are like, yeah. And like, you know, imagine

the person that has to take the photo now. Act surprised as you're walking in. Oh, here's the watch. And this is where I was like, because he's wearing like the head wrap and then I do think this is him. I do think he came for this. So then she had to show off her watch. I got this watch

and I'm acting super surprised. And then Cheers to love yours in every lifetime. This last thing that looks like you could do a lot of cocaine off of that. It looks like it's all in cocaine. If only. And also, hey. Just so you know to the other girls.

Hey. Yeah. Cheers to love. Okay. Cheers to love. There's nothing more romantic than what I would feel so romanticized by. Then if you looked at me in the eye and said, cheers to love. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Cheers to love. Hey, cheers to love. Hey, everyone, Cheers to love. Beautiful. This was great. I'm stuffed. Yep.

I have two other Valentine's situations I have to get to. I have to just change my jacket. And I haven't seen any other girls do this. So I think she might have been the one to beat him to the punch. She might have even done this on the 13th to get it out. I don't know. Do we think he's still currently making love to like at least half of those girls? Because Valentine's is, this would imply they are still doing it.

Romantically involved as opposed to co-parenting. I think she has more fun shoving this stuff in the other baby mama's faces and letting the, and having the world have more followers and having the world be like, we're rooting for you. Like it's a contest. Yeah. You're going to be the one in the end, you know, or whatever. I don't know.

I find it very entertaining to watch. Like, I have to say. The Instagram wars of the baby mamas of Nick. Canon, it could be a whole reality show in its own. He could do The Bachelor, but he's the Bachelor with all of his baby mamas, you know? And it's like, who gets the rose? Cheers to love.

That's hilarious. Cheers to love. Cheers to love with Nick Cannon. I mean, he is giving the men who have sister wives like a tutorial. I will say. He is showing up. Yeah. And those guys, I mean, look where he had to Cody.

You cannot do four Christmas cards and look where he ended up. Exactly. Exactly. But here's Nick Cannon with 13 kids. And how many women? And each girl is gorgeous and put together and seems to have her own thing going on. And he seems to know all of his kids' names and loves that. Right. They're all so happy.

I was at a party with a fabulous gay man and I'm married to a straight man that I didn't bring. I brought my sister. Her husband said, go, go ahead with your sister. So I brought my life partner, my sister. And we had fun. That's what happens. And I was like, oh my gosh, it's reality checks inside America's next top model. It was a three-part little series on Netflix, which now, I mean, now everybody, listen,

a network execs are like, what horrific reality show did we think was normal 15 to 20 years ago? And how can we reuse all that footage and have a couple of the old stars come on to talk about how they were awful and then we've got a three-part series. I mean, I'm ready for Rocka Love. I'm ready for New York. Yep. I'm ready for who is the guy that had the big clock on us? Flavor of love. Flavor of love. I'm ready for surreal life. Surreal life. There's so many more that we can do from the era. The Swan. Where are they today? What's so a hot or not? What's that one? That was a very short one. Where Lorenzo Llamis had a laser. Lorenzo Llamis. And they, like, found, like, a squirt of fat.

Oh. So this show, this was good because I would watch it, but I wasn't, like, you know, watching all the time. And what it was for those that you don't know is, you know, Tower Banks was a top model. She had a great idea for a show. Kind of like an American Idol meets, like, you know, surreal world or real world. Survivor. Yeah. Yeah.

Where they're going to take girls who have no experience of modeling, put them. through what it would be if they were to become a top model. However, what I realized in the series is none of them did. None of them became Adrian Curry had some other opportunities, but nobody became like a real model where you'd

open it at and you're like, oh, this, the girl that got the cover girl at is season four winner. Like not one. Only Eva Marcell is arguably the most successful, but not as a model. Right. She went on to do more reality shows and she's stunning. A lot of the girls were really pretty, but it was just like the swan

when the swans would leave and go back to their job at the whatever the ice cream shop, they couldn't afford to keep in their hair extensions and everything. And then the face would start to, the filler would go down and then they were just left

with like big chompers and holes in their hair. It's like you can't keep it up. This was very interesting, I thought. And they are going to probably do all the other shows, right? Because it's reality checked. Yes.

I'm sure. We're just going to remind it of that there was an entire different species of horrible people that made TV and watched it, but it was only 15 years ago. And that we were a part of that. Yeah. We were all totally a part of it. We made it. We watched it.

We were in it. And it's just like the recent past, and it is absolutely horrifying. Horrifying. Horrified. I mean deeply, it was like... Unbelievable. You'd think it was like from 1991. I know.

It wasn't. Julie's upset like about like the girl who did not give implicit consent and I'm upset about the amount of jeans and like, you know, color blocking tops. So I was like if I see one more fucking set of jeans and like a V-neck like top, I was horrified. The Ler jeans. When I would watch it back in the day, um... I probably related most to Janice Dickinson, I'll admit it. I was like, these girls are not pretty enough to be models. I understand why they chose them.

They chose them because it was a reality show. So we wanted emotion, we wanted a weird story, we wanted to see if they would fight together. And maybe we could do them with some blonde hair or something. But a lot of them, no. Like, I mean, I tried to be a model one day. One day. I had a real cousin who was a real model. A real cousin.

A real cousin who was a real model. Like a real model went to New York, went to Europe, all the whole thing. And she was stunning. And actually, we were not blood related, which I should have listened to that part more. So, but anyway, turns out she's not a real cousin.

I mean, I guess she's not a real cousin. She was a neighbor. She was stunning. You know, back then, she had a perfect nose when you couldn't buy a perfect nose. She had perfect teeth, when you couldn't buy perfect teeth.

So it's, you know. And she said, you know, you're tall and you're thin enough. You should just go and do a go see. She's like, just take some photos of yourself, like in a baiting certain different looks and go on a Monday to all the places in L.A. There's a way you can get the list.

So one Monday between the summer of freshman and sophomore year. Did you take the bikini shots? I did. My sister took them, you know, on the beach and everything. wore a black dress and heels and got as cute as I could get. And now all these other girls had the big books. But back then, those big books would cost $800, $1,000 to do. So I was like, let's just see if somebody wants me, then maybe I'll pay for the big book.

Every person rejected me. One person said, okay, I'll see you walk. So then I walked and they said, you do have a good walk, but you would have to get professional photos for us to even think about you again. And then that was it. It's an expensive thing to pursue. Back in the day. Now you can just go on Instagram and do it yourself and be all different shapes and sizes.

But there you really like, you know, had to have a perfect profile. I mean, you know you've modeled, you've acted. Julie's slept her way. To the top, maybe. Yes. And Brandy has legit done modeling and stuff because she has, you know, a perfect face and a good know. Oh, that's so nice. I mean, I lived in Japan alone when I was 15.

So I'm just like thanking God that I was too much of a bitch to be messed with, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I did a lot of dubious auditions. And I would leave thinking, I wonder where that tape's going to end up. But I never ended up being like, I mean, I probably would have like done a casting couch thing. I was pretty into like trying to book stuff. Nobody ever tried. I'd been like, well, what is it going to take?

With this show, yeah. So one of the more disturbing, the most disturbing thing. Now, what did you think about, first of all, what did you think about Tyra doing it in her detective trench coat? Why is she wearing a detective trench coat? First and foremost, we came up with America's next top PI. And the panel is Tyra in the middle

and all different trench coats each week. Then we have... Bow-Deedle. He'll be on the panel. Heather, okay? Yeah. We have Bo Diedle. That's amazing.

Dog, the bounty hunter. I love it. Okay. And then Nancy. Nancy Grace. Now that's your next show as they find the next. You're welcome. You're welcome.

You're welcome. You're welcome. You know, like, I thought it was interesting that she did it. I think she did it because they're going to do it with or without you. So you might as well do it. And she probably already saw that people were attacking her because people look back and everyone on TikTok is 23 and have souls. And they're like, why the fuck were people so horrible back then?

and so she's like, I need to explain where I'm coming from. So I thought she came off, honestly, okay. I know she's getting a lot of chrism. I think she came off okay. You know, and then when we get to when they end, I just want to go to that part. So there's the three people that were the regulars. There was Janice Dixon who did not participate in it.

I wish she would have, though, because she is the absolute best. And she pops up now and again through social media. But, you know, probably because, She doesn't look the way she looked then, and people are very critical of that. That's true. She was critical of people's looks. Right.

She came on my show and she was a fucking hoot. And she wrote a great book, too. No Lifeguard on Duty. It's a great memoir about the business. If you like memoirs about... And we like her. We've met her, hung out with her several times. Oh, yeah, totally.

That's where I met her. So there's Miss Jay, who was this black gay guy. who taught models how to walk and she thought let's have him do it and so entertaining. So he's on it talking about his experience. Then there was Jay Emmanuel who was, was he her makeup artist or a clothing stylist? So she picked him up and then she got this photographer, which I couldn't figure out. Was the photographer straight or gay? They were saying he was straight.

They said they wanted, they added him later because they wanted a straight white hot guy. Okay. But he's might not be any of those. Well, I never knew the entirety of the show, all 27 cycles that he was ever straight. You never thought. I had no idea that Nigel or whatever was straight. I always thought he was gay the whole time. Okay.

So then the juicy part is, Jay goes on to say, you know, at a certain point, cycle, and they call it cycle instead of seasons because they were doing two seasons or two cycles per year. So it had gone on now for like nine, ten, ten. 10 years. And Jay's like, I just don't think we've done it all. We're doing really weird stuff now. We're showing we're going to do a shoot where you guys were all tragically murdered. And we know that your mom was shot in the head by our boyfriend. So we're going to show you shot in the head. I mean, it was really, so he, I don't know if that had to do with it or just someone becoming, you know, complacent and what they're doing. And just kind of like, is this all there is? And I, you know, maybe I haven't gotten the raise I want.

Maybe I have a couple people in my ear saying you could have your own show. So he does write. Tyra an email saying like I loved it but I'm going to move on and then he was like and then I don't hear back for her for two days and then all she writes is I'm disappointed I never hear from her but then when we sit down to film we're laughing and filming and everything again and he's just like and I have to say I'm on team Tyra on this one like you you wrote that you didn't want to do it she's totally bummed about it same and And you said you want it out. So then what I think happened. So then they all go on, remember this show, show biz tonight. Oh yeah. They all go on the show because after Jay says that, but he still, I guess, has one year left on his contractor, one cycle left.

Then Tyra and the EP claim that their bosses said, the show's dipped a lot. Let's do a whole new fresh panel. So they get let go. and they think that she's put out the thing to page six that they were fired. So then they go on showbiz tonight. Now, this wasn't in the doc. This is the juicy scoot. Well, no, this part, well, they insinuate how did it get into page six.

Okay, I don't remember seeing this. Yeah, they say that. Like, they definitely think it's her. And she is like, I didn't have the say. It was the network. Yes, I'm the EP, but the network is the one that's like, we need a fresh thing, which I kind of believe her. I do believe her.

And also, you already said you wanted to leave. So I think if anybody should be mad at anybody, it should be the two guys, Miss Jay and Nigel, should be mad at Jay. Jay, because Jay's the one that started the crumble by leaving. And so then they were probably like, probably when Tyra went and said, hey, you guys, just so you know Jay wrote me and he's going to leave, it's going to be his last cycle.

Then they were probably like, wait a minute. Maybe it's time that we shake it up, do something new. get a bunch of people that we can pay $2 to. That's what I think happened. Like, why didn't Jake, they were, they were so close, they were such good friends, and we don't know exactly what happens to fight. So we're theorizing. From what it seems to me, from watching it and him, since there's huge holes in his story,

and she never acknowledges any of it and doesn't want to talk about it. Like, why didn't you go to her? Why did you send her an email? Why didn't you talk to her? Why didn't you sit down with her? Why didn't you say I'm unhappy? Why didn't you say, what can we do? Why didn't you work together?

You dropped an email and you said, I'm leaving, and you basically just also... And blindsided her. Exactly. And then also like, that's shitty to do to your friend. You guys were literally friends. And now you're the victim. In addition to there is nothing that drives me crazy. Then when someone quits a successful show.

I cannot stand it. I don't care if it's... Julianne Margueris. Yeah, and she's the only one who then went on and did the good wife. And she was lucky. But you are an asshole. You leave a show. You're making money.

You're on TV. You're getting everything you want. And I get it. Creatively, you want to maybe work, do something. Have a conversation. Talk to somebody honestly. Have it. But like now, look where you are now.

Like it's right. Or go and say, is it possible that I could do a, could we in the next project make it that I could do this other project? Something. Like whatever. But once you send an e-1. she got sent this email she probably immediately sent it to the the executives and also her lawyers because she's like I have a hot potato there's nothing I if I try to convince him to stay then I could put myself in legal jeopardy so he's the one that wrote he put it in writing he didn't say it over

drinks oh exactly that's what I said I would like take they should have sat down to dinner I feel like it always comes back to money like sit down and be like we created these these characters on your show, like Miss Jay and Jay created these characters and then even Nigel that were then taken and recreated all over the world, like Germany's next top model, you know, all these places, but they didn't use any of them. And I don't believe they were getting a cut of the show. So if he would have just sat down and even if she had said, I can't control that or I can't give you 1% or I can't guarantee residuals, then at that point it is what it is. And he didn't blindside her and they could have stayed friends. I mean, he acted like they were closer than like brother

and sister even. I mean, also, I think sometimes you're doing a show and you are really clicky and really fun and you have all this fun. But then you're like, okay, well, you can't do the show anymore and the show is big and, you know, she's in a position. I just feel like everyone always is so quick to just be like, you're Corella Deville, you're the devilware's product. Of course, but it's a woman. You're the woman and you're an awful person and we were besties. I was your gay bestie and now you threw me off the butt. No, like, like, what am I supposed to do? do. Like, and I think it's like happened so much and I think immediately, the fans rally around the underling and always just think that, oh, you know, that's so sad. I'm like, you wrote an email

saying you didn't want to the show anymore. Yeah, exactly. You didn't go to your friend. And not to mention the fact, you also, I'm also not going to, I'm also not having it from the same guy who he watched tell girls over and over again just to deal with it. Yeah. When you're being groped and when you're being made uncomfortable. And when you don't want to do something. or you, and fine, I get it, they're models. You have to wear what you're going to do. But there comes a point, and I don't care, this was not 1987. This was 2008.

Yeah. Like, she went to you in front of everyone and said, I'm uncomfortable with this guy. Yeah. And I don't appreciate it. And he said, just what? Nothing's going to happen to you. And she had to stand there and cry while that guy groped her in front of everyone. So, yeah, that's you, Jay.

So how about that Jay? And basically what they happened is there was an incident where they, They invite these guys over from a shoe. They get them in the jacuzzi and all the girls are drinking and they weigh two pounds. They have one glass of wine and they're wasted. And one guy's hitting on this girl, Shandi, and she had a very serious boyfriend. And they have sex. Yeah, and they record it.

And they have sex. And then they go, well, the rule was if they go alone in the bathroom and shut the door, we can't follow them in. But if they go in with anybody else, then it's a story. that we can film. So they film the fact that they took a shower together and that they wake up in the same bed together. And so she's just horrified

and calls her boyfriend and breaks up with the boyfriend and you know, and she doesn't go on I think to pursue any kind of like modeling and so... That's another thing that they all did though too. It's like, that's fine. She was flirting and she has to take some accountability for her actions.

But at the same time, you saw that she was blacked out drunk. You saw that she so drunk that she's probably not making good decisions and so y'all stood there behind your cameras and you filmed it and you allowed a man to have sex with her in front of you and none of you did anything

about it and then you double down and you blamed her and then you went and said guess you shouldn't have cheated on your boyfriend guess you should have eaten something and they also said they wouldn't give her her phone and they would let her call anyone and she was like then I'm going home and then they're like okay you can call but we have to film it

Right. To not even give someone a phone. But you put that wine in there and you let those guys go in there. But then when she requests a phone, so you don't have any rights in situations like that. I mean, that's the thing. And it's always the girl's fault. And I am extra spicy because I'm abstain. But it's like because how many times do we have to see it and hear about it and go through it? It's like, but it's always the girl's fault.

And then, oh, and then on top of that, Jay. You told her that she needed to, oh actually, that was you, Tyra. You told her that she needed to make it comfortable for everyone. No, that was... Julie's obsessed with the girl that was being groped while she was dancing. Oh, yeah. So then they did this other video, this other shoot where they were in like South Africa or something.

And one girl's there and she's supposed to be dancing with three guys. And one guy for the very start was very, like, aggressive and hitting on her. And he was like touching her leg and everything. and she was like, I'm not like comfortable with this guy like touching me. And they're like, too bad. You have to do it over and over. And then she had to stand there while he literally there's the picture, the final picture they used is of the guy and he's touching her.

But then Tyra tried to give her some. And this is the one thing where she tries to sort of defend herself and be like, listen, I was trying to empower her. And that was the time we were living in. And did she deserve better yes. But I did the best that I could. But she told her, just be cool. and say like, hey, bro, like, I'm not into that and just be like cool about it.

You know, because you don't want to like make a scene. You don't want to like make it uncomfortable for everyone. Yeah. And again, it's like, no, we wouldn't want to, God forbid, we make the man who's groping me uncomfortable. They clearly were very irritated. Jay and the photographer, they're like, he literally, Jay literally stood up and was like, there's 50 people here. What do you think's going to happen to you?

And I'm like thinking of myself, it's crazy that we had to go through Me Too for people. and I mean women included to understand that you have the right to like take a photo with someone. I mean, we know Taylor Swift went came out of hiding from the Kanye thing and went to court to testify against like a radio DJ who like put his hand all the way

up her skirt and her underwear while taking a photo. Like you can't do a thing in a professional situation and that you have the right not to be touched inappropriately or groped. It's like, because this was pre pre me too and everybody was just like, why are you acting scared? We're all here.

What is he going to do to you? And she's like, he's doing it to me now the entire time. The whole time, and aggressively the whole time, give me your number. Where can I see you? Do-da-da-da-do. And it's like, there's more, there's the spectrum of harassment isn't just now I'm getting essayed in a room with a door shut, even though there's a full camera crew watching it. But it's like we, they think they make you feel crazy and they made her feel crazy for feeling uncomfortable by someone who was making her feel uncomfortable. And then they had the thing with the teeth.

Now, one girl did benefit from the teeth thing. She literally had a tooth coming out like complete the epitome, not just a snaggle tooth or one is like pointed. I mean like an extra tooth was coming out the top of her mouth. And it would make her smell be like, like it would stick way out. I'm sure they saw her and was like, this will be a good makeover thing. We'll do a dental thing.

Then there was this gorgeous black girl that had a perfect face. And she had a split between her teeth. and they're like, we want to close that gap with like veneers. Like, I guess make the two teeth bigger. And she's like, I don't want that. And then they're like, well, you're not going to work. And Tyra's like, well, listen, I talked to agents and stuff that they were like, and I'm like, what about Lauren McCall?

Like, Lauren, why would that matter? Then a couple seasons later, they find a girl that has a split between your teeth. And Tyra was like, I want to make her split bigger. So then that girl, the original split between her teeth, beautiful girl, was like, fuck you. Exactly. And she had every right. And again, none of these girls are like, but since that I've, you know, worked as a model, they said once they would win it even, they would go to try to get an agent.

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Also, all of the photo shoots and the photos were trash. Oh, right. And I couldn't use them anyway. They were bright, technicolor, totally weird. I mean, there was like a few of them that were like, I mean, the pictures were useless. Like, yeah, sorry the shot of you getting your head shot off. wasn't a good look for elite models. Let me see as I look through your book.

Oh, this is when you're in a coffin with cockroaches. Right. Okay, here you're flying off the side of a building with blood being spurted on you. Interesting. I mean, it's over. Here's one where you're an elephant. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, here's where you're a different race. Yes. Oh, my God. Yeah, the different race thing. And then they said if you were offended and Jay then said he knew it was bad. He has two parents are from South Africa, which ended up not. not really being exactly true. But, and they're like, but if that offended you, they did it nine cycles later again.

Right. They then did it again. Like, the show's like. So Ms. Jay, sadly, suffered a very debilitating stroke a couple years ago. She seems to be doing better now. Okay. Sorry. I think he goes by heat, even though he goes.

And did we miss like a full chunk? Did we miss an episode? Because I didn't see any of this. But Ms. Jay says that. never heard from Tyra, I don't think. Definitely they haven't, she definitely has not visited him. Oh.

That is sad. It is sad. However, I don't know if you haven't talked in five years. Well, that's true. I mean, you know, doesn't mean that you're not praying

for them for a side and going, wow, I'm really sad about that. Like, I hope that there's, the recovery goes well. But I'm not an apologist for Tyra Bank. I'm just saying like,

okay. So, but this part I found Adrian Curry, and she has a great Instagram. And she did not participate. And she did win one of the things. And she went on to do, was it Surreal World? And that's where she met Peter Brady and married him. And then they had a reality show about their life that she was married to this much older guy that was originally the star, the Brady Bunch, as the middle brother. And they eventually divorced.

Uh-huh. And, but it was very, very entertaining. So entertaining. And now she, like, lives in Montana and, like, has naturally gray hair. She's still very attractive. So she did a thing and she goes, yeah. They asked me, and I'm so glad I didn't do it. Because none of the other girls got paid for that doc either.

They didn't get paid when they were doing the show. And they're not getting paid now. Oh, my God. You better believe that J. Manuel. Ms. Jay and Nigel got fucking paid to appear on that. And Tyra. But the thing about these docs, though, that I didn't even realize because I've done some of them, they don't have to offer you pay.

So if you, because it's like, it's like a news story or whatever. Right. So it doesn't have to fall in the lines of like anything like that. So unless you say, no, I'm not going to do it unless you pay. Right. And then, so the girls probably just didn't again think to ask or maybe they think thought, yeah, I'll do it. Like I would like to, you know, whatever, get it pop it again. But I just thought she was just like once again, like she really came off savage.

Like this is why I said, no, motherfuckers. Like. And they were like, okay, we don't need you. So no, we're not going to pay you. Yeah. They didn't. Did she, I thought there was one where she defended Tyra too. This is the only one I saw is that she's just like, I don't, you know, they didn't pay the other girls again. which is classic. You're now doing the documentary about how they were exploiting and exploiting them for a second time. That's exactly what she was saying, yeah.

And also that's why you didn't make it in modeling because you're not savvy enough. Not her but them. Like here you are again, just, you know, being a free bitch thirst bucket. Said with all respect. With all respect. With all respect. With all.

Love story started and it's three episodes are out. It's on FX and Hulu. And so you can watch the three episodes and it's about JFK Jr. and Caroline in their seven year of, you know, when they fell in love, got married and when they sadly died in the plane crash with his, with her sister. And Naomi Watts plays Jackie O, his mother. And she has the voice down, the whispery voice very well. And then this girl is playing Daryl Hannah because he had a long relationship with Daryl Hannah. And she comes on.

really annoying Daryl Hannah's character. And I think the girl playing her kind of is a good actress for it, but she doesn't look like her. But she sounds just like her. I guess she's Meryl Hemingway's daughter. Oh, I didn't know that. Wow. She sounds exactly like Daryl Hannah. She's really

talented. Well, and not for nothing, Daryl Hannah is also annoying. She, that's what, so people were like, what, so some people were reporting on it going, did someone in the world of Ryan Murphy like hate Daryl Hanover? Hannah and wanted to just show her in the most annoying light because you're like, he's so annoyed with you.

Like, get a hint. He doesn't like you. Yeah. Showing up. And you're like, and so, but then when you really look at like Daryl Hannah doing like an interview with Jay Leno or something, she does act the way this girl's portraying her.

And so she's just, she'll be like, hi, John. Give him a big hug. I'm here because your mom died. I wanted to be here. And he's like, why are you here? We haven't talked in three months. well, I mean, Hi, everyone.

I'm here with John again. And he's like, what? Like, I don't like you. Why are you showing up to the funeral? Like, I've never talked to you in three months. I like this other girl. Caroline, leave me a fuck alone. So it's, I'm thoroughly entertained.

Some parts I think are a little slow. Not for me, but I wonder if it's a little slow for other people. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was, I mean, I'm invested because I, I mean, I'm obsessed with them just like everyone else. And I am a sucker for when, like, the casting is spot on.

So in straight out of Compton, you know, Ice Cube's son plays him. And it is like, thank God, someone in here looks exactly like Ice Cube. In the Brady Bunch movie, that bitch who married Ben Stiller. Oh, my gosh. I wouldn't have made it through the Brady Bunch movie. And I went to Brady Bunch, too, at the theater because I was so obsessed with how she looked just like Marcia. Unreal. So in this case, it's like, they cast this guy.

And it is... The guy is perfect. It's unreal. This shape of his literal nipples. I'm like this. This guy is the best match. He looks exactly like him. It's unbelievable.

It is crazy. Now, the only thing is his, like, his voice, I like Googled, did JFK Jr. have a lisp? Because I was like, it's not strong. There's just something in his speech. And I was like, is he that good of an actor that he's putting on a voice? But it doesn't matter.

Ryan Murphy's doing shots of, like, him working out. out from far away and I'm like literally my mind's exploding. I'm like it looks exactly like JFK. I cannot believe it. No, I remember the scene of after his mother dies and he comes out to give the speech. And I remember how he said she was surrounded by her friends, her family, and her books. I always remember that it was her books because she was an editor of books and like, you know, and I felt that is exactly how I remember it. This is exact, like this is exact. So in speaking of that the big scene, this girl, Shannon Hill News, she reminded us that there was a actual moment where they caught them fighting. They had a very tumultuous relationship, which added to the

paparazzi following them. I watched like 20 hours of it. And during the show, I was like, I had to go back and look at the fight. Because we haven't seen the fight yet on the show. Yeah, the fight is coming up and they get in this fight like in Washington Square Park. Yes. And so some paparazzi was following him that day because it was like some memorable day or something and so they just thought oh maybe whatever they were always following them and they catch the whole thing on fighting which is like a little

physical on both of their parts and like it looks like she takes off the ring or he takes the ring from her and they're engaged and they're the dog they have the dog with them and they're yelling at each other then they're hugging each other and it just goes to show you and I truly believe that Caroline was that girl that just could mind fuck a guy

like no one else. And it's a talent I have never been blessed with and there are certain girls they are not necessarily the most perfect looking. They might not even be the best in the sack though I predict she's pretty good. Yeah. But it's more of like, come here, now go away.

Come here, now go away. Now watch me walk away. I don't know. They know how to hook a dumb guy with their venous trap vagina, but also with their mind where they're so confused that they're like, what do I do? And you see John just sitting the real John

just sat down on like a dirty street corner in New York and just like was like, I, does this girl want to be with me? Does she love me? Does she not? Like I could have anybody, but like I'm so confused. And then we know that 99% of the show is like made up. So they're going to tell us what the fight was about, but we don't know if that,

We don't really know if that's how they met. Well, it's based on, like, a lot of books. But a lot of the books do not say they met. Yeah. So we're, there's like. Speculation. Yeah, speculation. So the whole, that's the whole thing with the show is,

I'm not a huge Ryan Murphy fan in general too. So I'm like, filling in the pieces myself, just like, you know, anyone should do while they're watching it and you have to make your own choice. But I'm even obsessed with Jackie O. And like, should we call Aunt Lee? And then remember when we all watched

the swans. And we learned on the swans, also Ryan Murphy, that Jackie stole Onassis from Lee. Right. And so I'm like totally like I wish I was watching it in conjunction with the swans for that. It's just all so good. Yes, so good. Now they show his cousin, who is Lee's son,

who is Anthony, who was married, was married until sadly his death, he died of cancer. I believe it was cancer, but he was married to Carol Radswell, Radzweil from Real Housewives of New York. And when this was happening, I said, I wonder if they'll get someone to play you. And she goes, no, no, I don't even think we'll be a part of it.

I go, definitely your husband's going to be a part of it. And I go, just watch, they'll just be one small part, like somewhere where it's just a little glimpse of, oh, hey, Carol, and there'll be some brunette with like a wide smile. And just, I'm just telling, we haven't seen her yet, but I'm telling you, I would not be surprised if there's just one tiny little, because he likes to do that. Like how he had, even in the OJ thing, he had like the little Kardashian girls, even though they weren't part of it, like in one scene going, hi daddy. You know, like just so everyone at home is like extra invested. And so we'll see.

Were they on their way to Carol's wedding on that? He had already passed. Carol's husband, Carol Razzwell's husband. had already passed when the three of the plane went down. Okay. That scene though, Julie, you should watch because it's the very beginning. Yeah. And that was, I thought was a good way to like hook it.

I kind of like how the narrative switches around, how they'll just be like, another episode will start. And they'll just like, it just starts in the middle of like just walking in a park and you're just like, well, where? Right. And I do like that about it. But to start out with that scene of the plane, I thought that was like, I mean, you guys are making it sound very. It's really good. And for someone that, like, lived that time, it's, like, nostalgic and kind of make, like, of when I was single and when I thought I could, like, marry JFK Jr. if you just met me. It's all 90s music, too.

Every piece of music is, like, from that exact moment in time. Well, I will say this. Sorry, good head. No, I just so, I was a huge fan of his magazine. And you were the only one. Yes. And I got the. Because it was a political magazine called George.

And I loved it. And I thought it was... And it would do like real pieces on senators and congresspeople and the actual bills they were doing. Right. Which is such a noble idea and we should care, but nobody cared. I did. And I want you to know that I cared. And I got the first and I wish, but, you know, our house burned down. So I lost all the magazines. But I kept every one of them. So you had the one of Cindy Crawford dressed in George at a crop top? Yes. And I had every...

Ladies and gentlemen, meet George. Remember that? Oh, God. It would be worth so much money now. You lived in New York when he's riding around on his bike, like shirtless and shit. I had every single one of those magazines. And they don't. And if he were around today, I don't know. But he really truly did make politics sexy. And he was the only one.

And that magazine was cool. On the way to the plane, right. But the magazine was going under. I know. But it was good. I thought it was already done. But on the way of the plane, he's like, he's talking about he's in a fight with Carolyn to her sister. who, not for nothing, he also killed.

So the parents lost two children. But he's like telling the sister about this fight and he's like, God, all I did was invite her to wedding. It's not like I'm making her go to the Democratic National Convention. And I was like, I know what that is now. And definitely at the time this happened, I had no idea what that would have meant.

So weird. Now you deeply know. Look at you. I've all grown up as a true adult that you are. Okay, let's talk about some Epstein stuff that is very interesting. So Gislane, Gilane, whatever you want to call her. We call Gis Lane. I call it Gis Lane too.

Okay. Gis Lane is in prison. Now, she did have a prison move, okay, since she's been incarcerated. I think she's sentenced to 20 years. She's been there for five now or something. She was moved to like a better prison. They call it a camp. Okay.

And so she, they show her in her, her tan outfit with glasses saying, I won't answer any questions. I take the fifth or whatever she's going to say. And they show that Gislane's not talking about the file. She's not giving up name. She's not going to talk. So we're like, well, that's a waste. So then people, this one guy, Eric Mount Sos. Eric Mouttsos.

Yeah, Eric Moutzos. He goes, hey, look, like, this isn't her. So, watch your back, Eric. The nose is completely different. The eye shape appears to be different, but the nose is really different. And your nose doesn't change like that. You don't get a nose job either to get your nose bigger. And when she entered the prison, she had like a long bob.

That's what I said. And now she's got the hair that we're used to seeing her in and all the photos. So it's a wig. It's somebody else. It's a wig. It's a wig. It's somebody else. I looked at her old when she had that short hair. She had that many times. Her bangs are so, so specific.

Like, she has great hair. She looks great with short hair. And there's no way. First of all, it's so dark. I know they can dye your hair in prison. But if you guys aren't watching this on YouTube, what did you Google? Because I told Julie didn't know about it.

And I was like, honestly, it was like a roused to be able to tell her. I was like, you're not going to fucking believe this. And then, so what did you Google? Like, side by side? I googled, yeah, it was Jislane Maxwell Prison Compare. Okay. So you can see what we're talking about if you're not watching this on YouTube. But I was looking, she was, there's no way I truly believe in my heart that you're in prison,

you're in the jumpsuit, you're only going to be able to dye your hair. You're going to have a few grays, whatever. I just don't believe there's any way she'd get rid of that long hair when she can't wear makeup. She can't do anything glamorous. Now she's going to go back to the short hair. and it's not even going to look cute and she can rock a short hair

like no one's business. What do I think? I think they moved, they got rid of when she moved to prisons. That's exactly what I think. She's somewhere living, maybe not a lavish life, but a free life somewhere.

Maybe then they gave her plastic surgery. Epstein in those files also, you know, his girlfriend was a dentist. He, one of his girlfriends, he got to become a dentist, why there's a dentist chair there. Also, there's an email where there's like all these teeth from India being sent to him. So do you think that he maybe knew that at one time he might have to fake his death and need all new dental teeth records?

That's the one thing you can't change. Well, they did have some weird kinks too. True. It could be a kink thing. It could be both. Both, but both. I know whatever this person is that spoke is not her, in my opinion. And I thought exactly you when they moved her. That was when the switch was made.

And they keep on showing us like, like this like time lapse of her and her room, like going from the bed and going to do, it's like I'm like, why bother? It's like just overselling this. We don't get to see Jen Shaw, you know, like in there doing her shit before she got released or Elizabeth Holmes. Why do we need to see like they want they keep trying to like prove she's in there so hard. I forgot Jen Shaw's out. She's out. What is she doing? She's going. She's going. She's going. to lunge with Karen Hugar. Oh, really? No. Oh. I wish she was. Here's a close-up. The nose. The nose sent me. The nose sent me. I'm going to say the eyes and eyebrows, though. Are pretty good. But the nose are totally different. Though I will say the eyes are different. Okay. The eyes are different too. Look at this one on the left. It's like a bigger one. Well, Jislein's, what side? More hooded, too. Yeah. This is the left side is slanted. that lady's eyes are not slanted.

Also, this, you know what I mean? The real photo of Jislaid, the eyes are hooded and then they're less hooded as she aged. That never happens. It doesn't go backwards. Just like your nose doesn't get shorter and fatter.

It would get longer. Do you think she's alive or do you think they killed her? I think she's alive. And do you think she's out with Jeffrey Epstein? Is he alive or did that, you know what I mean? Are they just living on the island and that's why no one's allowed there? because if I don't know if Jeffer Epstein's alive or not but I just I think that she is well I will say in terms of that that I always so that she won't ever tell with Epstein I say too

they showed they showed his like body coming out with partially of his face which you can look back on history they've never done that again it's like whether you that you got a mask made whether it's someone else it's like why are you I mean I've seen these masks like they're they're incredible. The mask that you can put on. Like now, honestly, if we were to do, you know, white chicks again, I don't even think they have to do the prosthetics and the makeup. I think they could do one of these masks and not have to suffer like that. And it could still sort of look like the guys underneath, but they could, I mean, so I'm like, I wouldn't, so I don't even think they put a mask on someone. I mean, they should have put a mask on someone. A person in the CIA

who they're like, you know, they have their jobs and they have to keep secrets. And it's like, this is going to be your job. And the person's probably like, well, I'm not going to that prison. And they're like, okay, well, you can go to the camp in Texas. And then this will be your job. And you'll be in a private cell and whatever.

And we're going to get you your money through your whole thing. And then if they can get her, you know, if Trump pardons her or whatever and gets her out, then at that point, maybe they will bring out the real jisling. and then this woman gets to go back to working for CIA, I don't know, but I think Jus Lane is alive. I do too. There's this other girl that was a big trafficker with Epstein,

a pretty blonde that is all over the thing and got girls and recruited girls and everything. And she was also allegedly a pilot. They don't know if she should wear like a pilot outfit. I don't know if she was really of the Lolita Express. Anyway, the internet seemed to have found her, and she's a monk. She's, or in some Buddhist thing,

you can see the nose. I cut that off, but it appears that she is living her life now at like some Buddhist place, allegedly. I mean, if that's where you're going to, you know, the, even Cisteract, in Cistract, yeah, one and two. And Cistrate. One and two, where are you going to put someone?

We should ask, Whoopi. Yeah, you put them in a convent. Whoopi went on the view to say she is in the file. But it was just, you know, a mention of like, oh, we need a plane for something for Whoopi to go someplace. Can you use your plane? I mean, it's kind of smart of her to bring it up. Like, don't throw me in this just because they mention me. But like Tom Hankson. I mean, there's going to be a lot of people named that are, they ran the world. There's enough, there's enough right now of real names of people we know. Right. From professors to people in business and even some people.

Presidency. Yes. That their real name is tied to a real accuser. Accuser. Right. Or a real horrible email that's talking about one-year-old babies. And I loved torturing or saying God, I didn't kill her type of stuff with real people. Like, they didn't redraft. And easily, speaking up, the one. What are they called? No, redact. Redact. They didn't. So it's like, why are you not doing anything about it?

The professor who told him how the babies could suckle harder is still at UCLA. I thought they did get rid of him. He technically can work out the rest of his year. So he's fired, but he's still there. He's on the website. You can contact the office. What are we doing? Honestly, what are we doing?

I just feel like it's like, I think they're trying, I think they dump this on our lap and everyone in the internet, every podcast or every TikTok or everybody to just like figure it out. and then they're like, oh, by the way, all that work that you do, it doesn't go towards the grade, okay? This was all a big waste. You're going to forget about it in a couple weeks, along with Nancy Guthrie, and you're going to move on to aliens again. I don't know, but I'm just like, what do you,

so are we just supposed to go, well, at least, well, at least that guy didn't eat the babies. Exactly, and that's what they are trying to do, Megan Kelly, like they're trying to do that. So they liked messing around with kids. At least they were 16. Yeah, like, but yeah, or even if they weren't 16. All of that is. They had a strict diet. So we know for a fact that congressman blah, blah, blah,

never ate them. Right, because he's a vegan. Yeah. So we at least know that. And what billionaire in person, first of all, I've never written about pizza or grape soda. And if I got invited to any celebrity's house or any rich person and they only serve pizza, fucking pissed. I'd be like, what?

Every time I've gone to a rich person's house, it's caviar, it's catered, it's a wine pairing, and this is all they want. Like, you can't tell me that that's not something. You just can't tell me that's not something. Well, at this point, we don't, it's so beyond anything we could have ever imagined. I mean, my hope is that because so many visuals...

How can they eat all that pizza, all this thin people? Plus, what about the creeps? A lot of carbs. eating cream cheese? The most fattening thing ever. Because it's from the babies. Uh-huh. And and pizza. All the time. And grape soda, which is terrible. Get time eating. Yeah. Like, even though

I do love grape soda and pizza. But I'm hoping that because of so many visuals, there are so many disturbing, horrific videos and pictures that people from the internet, politicians to the internet sleuths,

are suffering through that I don't know that there's going to be, I don't know that this might be the time where something happens. It's not happening now, but how many? No, because we have to put all of our attention towards Nancy Guthrie. Well, they're trying it. But at the same time, it's also slowly coming out, like these people are like, I looked at these pictures. I'm a changed person.

I don't know how to sleep again. And it's like, you know what I mean? Like people are looking at things that we're talking. about and we can only try and make, you know, to try and live, but they're looking at it and videos of it. Children screaming and being murdered and arred and all this stuff and then they're coming and they're talking about it. I don't know that there's, there's something has to happen. And it's fine. Like, don't, don't go and look yourself. And also don't act like what we're saying is not real because it is. That's exactly right. It is real. And like, you don't have to, like just,

So I'll try to talk about it a little bit. I'm not going to not talk about it. But, like, no, I don't want you to have to go through. Like, I don't want anyone to go down the work. But I also want to think the people that are doing the work that are, like, putting this together with, like, solid evidence that are going through the things. All right. So, also, I still think it's really weird that Ellen's set look just like the temple on

Epstein Island. And we never thought about it. And, of course, there was a temple on the island, too? whatever, you know, and all the people that have ties to all of this that had weird suicides. Oh, yeah, that's a whole to do.

What was the name? Twist. That was the name? What was the guy that? Oh, yeah. On Ellen. The DJ. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's right. And, you know, even the guy who was with Tom Sandoval in Charles McMansion,

they did TIP, girl. Lala's in the video, Ariana. That was when Julie and I worked on the Vanderpump after show. His partner in Charles McMansion also was investigating and he was talking a lot about Tom Hanks but he definitely had an end on like

the Epstein files and he had a very mysterious suicide. Oliver. What about... No, maybe that's not his name. What about the two, what about the DJ Avenci or something? He had a

Avichi. He had a video that actually showed kids running away from an island and jumping like off a cliff and he was working allegedly on a movie about child trafficking with the two other guys that wrote that song about um god i can't think i can't sing it right now but that song about about they put the and the and the and the and um oh god and the maybe we should not have waiting with their mouths open and and and And like there's a song about like babies and blood and all of it. And then even the video of we don't need no education.

That video shows babies falling into a meat grinder. And that's like 70s. Children. Children with mask on going into a meat grinder. Like everything, it's like there's so much. So when people say like, Heather, you're losing a grind. I'm sorry, but there are so many things. So those four people, those two musicians,

that got together and saying they both had weird deaths or ended their lives. Supposedly, Anthony Bourdain was also involved in this particular movie about children. So that all went away. Anthony Bourdain was 100% on the Harvey Weinstein thing when he... But he had that girlfriend, Asia, who was one of the Me Too people. But then also, she had dated a 16-year-old boy when she was 30. Yes. Who was an actor that she did a show with?

there's a lot of like she was an accuser but then she was a victim but then she was a perpetrator and like and that was her boyfriend and then in the middle of shooting he ends his life oh my yeah anyway Ellen it's just a little too coincidental it's bizarre i mean online they're saying allegedly allegedly allegedly all right let's let's lighten it up a little and talk about real housewives of beverly hills how are you feeling about the season girls The entire season, as we know, is about manifesting. And it's, you know, as you've started your own successful manifesting business. Yes, I have.

Which has really been inspiring for us because we've been manifesting too. It's just like, I don't know, everything about it, it's like we watch it and I think like, oh, they're so rich. And then I go, how do we get rich? And then I realize just think about it. Well, that's what I do with my business. I can teach you that. And some people would say, well, you shouldn't spend what you don't have.

But paying off my student loans does not inspire me to live a better life. But this Chanel purse, it does. It does inspire me to want to buy more Chanel purses. So I tell my clients, after you've bought the series of how to get rich with me, which is $7,500, but right now it's on sale for $7,300. Once you do that, take your other credit card and go and manifest that purse and then when you buy it,

you've manifested it. It's yours. You're driving at home because you thought of it because you listened to it. Paying off a student loan doesn't do that. Paying off student loan is just like so dumb. And like what the other thing is,

I don't know if you've heard this. What? And I don't know if anyone's like, you know, accused you. But they've accused Amanda of starting a fake fan page, which then goes and says all of the great things that they've learned from the courses. But apparently... I have seen all those posts. Like, I've seen things that are they, like, if someone criticizes her,

someone's like, you don't know what you're talking about. She changed my life. And I'm like, okay. Like, what is the deal? Level the grift. She's so tripling down. I can't. And I will say this,

thank God for Bose, because Bose is clock-clicky-clocating. She is fun to watch. Clickety-clocking her every second. From Rachel. From minute one. From minute one, she clocked it. But she's not letting it go,

and I do appreciate it. Because what Amanda's trying to do in every scene that she's in is trying to, like, move the needle and move the target and make it about like being a sultan at the dinner table. And it's like you're not, every single thing is a, she's just moving, moving and boises,

and having it and it's great. And Rachel sees it too. That's what I manifested. I manifested Rachel's out. Yeah. It's, she's so fun to watch. I love looking at her. Yes.

I think she gives great advice. Yeah. I understand what she's saying about her marriage and why ended and why, you know, she's like, yeah, sometimes we just want to vent. And if this is a reality show, I do think she chose to be on this reality show to fucking Barry Roger. Because she was like, I can't do it alone on my Instagram,

but if I'm doing it over drinks with girls, that's what I'd be doing. And I want people to know what a complete annoying dick he's been and that he totally changed and punished me for it for the last 10 years and took up with the young girl and like, fuck you. Her seething fucking rage for Roger is getting me through the year.

I mean, honestly, so I'll be thinking about the Epstein shit, and then I'll be like, you know what, let me just switch over to Rachel's though and how she, much she hates Roger. And I'm like, and she's also, like, talks about how she doesn't like people being mean. Yeah. It's the, you know what I mean? Like, she does seem like a cool hang. Like, she seems like someone you want to hang out with. When I was, like, doing my fun, Palm Springs, there was this one when she was selling caftans. And I was like, oh my God, I just want a caftan. This just brings me back to this era of time where I'm like smoking a cigarette. And I'm like, I know my husband's fucking.

the secretary, but I don't care. I've got a casserole in the oven. And I'm just going to look gorgeous and spend his last dollar. Like she's so fun to watch. It's all so good. Yeah. The other thing about Amanda is that she is trying to also double down on social media by using the words that people are calling her and then trying to twist it. Like, look what this scam artist did with all the with the fake manifesting. And it's just like, Amanda, Manda, Manda. Now she's doing Kyle from Summer House.

Amanda, Amanda. We see you. We see you. But hey, I also say, if you can create some master class, I mean, everybody, Oprah, Chris Jenner, they all do a master class. Yes.

So did Tony Robbins. She didn't invent the wheel. She took it and did make it successful. And if people bought it, just like people paid Teddy to have, or scream at them via text. Same thing. Like you, you know, then that's, that is not a crime.

It's not a crime. No. It's not, you're an asshole, but it's not a crime. And that is true. If you bought it, you take accountability and responsibility for it. Yeah. I do, and I do enjoy watching all of it. I mean, honestly, without Amanda, the show would have been really dull.

It's fun as Rachel Zoe is. Yeah. Sometimes, I mean, it's truly like they're on a trip together. if you've ever been on a girl trip or something. And there's, I've only had it once happen in the last 10 years, but we were on a trip, a girl's trip, and about 10 years ago, and there was, you know, one chick that just,

we have love for, but she annoyed the fuck out of us. And it really brought us together. And it was, otherwise a trip would have been boring. The fun was, come take a walk with me. And then you'd bitch about her. And it's like, I feel like that's what we're watching. And it's kind of bonding them. And it's, it's not bad.

to watch. Was it Julie and me on any of the trips? Never. This is before. This is literally 10 years ago. Like 10 years ago. And it was just an okay trip. But honestly, the most fun was like bagging on the one girl that was being weird.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Well, Jennifer Tilly, if you're watching and we know you are, get in touch with us, DM us. I didn't realize Jennifer Tilly was still just a friend. I know. How is she not? Why? Because this is the most gorgeous photo of all.

of them. I love all their outfits. I love their old 40s look. I just can't believe we just can't have her in this photo. Yeah, because she looks so perfect in that vibe. But she needs to be not just a friend. Maybe she's not even interested in being full time, but she brings a lot to it too. She brings so much to it. Apparently she just did an episode of school spirit, high spirits. It's on Paramount Plus. It's a show about like this girl that dies in high school and then goes and investigates like death and stuff as like a dead person. I love it. So Jennifer Tilly just did an episode of of that. But she's, maybe that's why she wasn't around the last few episodes, because we've missed her. Give us a call. DMS. We have a proposition for you. And that might be sexual, but then maybe

there's two propositions. Definitely. Definitely, definitely love. Brandy Glanville found out what happened to her face. Okay, what happened? So she had fake boobs. I don't know if they're still or saline, but according to what they think is that there was like leakage throughout that and it got into the lymphnoids and went up to the face. She said, I still

had a parasite, but this is really, whatever. They got rid of it. They're taking care of it. She looks a lot better. And so that mystery has been solved. This mystery has not. Do you remember this

girl, I think She goes by Conti Chanel. Oh, but it has a CV. She brought up, I want to know what had, what was the story? Do you remember like three years ago when that girl pretty cute, pretty stylish girl on a plane freaked out saying that that person in the back is not real? They're like a shape shift. She's not humid.

But then we never really heard from her again. She never said it was a joke. She never like, I don't think that she went to like a 5150 situation. What was it? Now in light, like what happened to that girl? At this point in 2026, I believe her. I know. You know, I do. When someone wins the lottery now, I'm just like, wow, someone from the future. I'd really love to meet them. Wait, what does that mean? Because they time traveled back and they knew the lotto numbers.

And it's like, oh, you got the one billion? Neat. It's a time traveler from the future who had all of the lotto numbers. You know how people say, why is it that we all remember like the, Monopoly guy having a monocle but he doesn't or or curious George having a tail but but then we look the man man man down yeah and even if you go to like your old book from your childhood you open it up and and George doesn't have a tail or the monocle thing the thing he says and it is it is a weird time travel I don't know they can't really be explained but it there is no way to explain why and it's like the Bernstein bears and It's all these things that we like, yep.

We never, okay, Bernstein Bears, how do they spell it in your head? Okay. B-E-R-R-R-S-T-E-R-S-T-E-R-S-T-E-R-S-E-E-R-N. Or B-E-R-S-T-E-E-R-N-E-E-R-N. Like if it's B-E-R-N-S-T-E-E-N? No, it was, the end of the word was spelled S-T-A-N. Stain? Yes.

Berenstain? Really? Because there would be too Jewish if it was Barrenstein. I guess, but like, how is it like? I didn't. I mean, if I find this thing, I will go. The monocle blows your mind too, though. There's like 10 things.

Yep. That you, one is a curious George with a tail. He didn't have a tail. Yes. It's the monocle is the main one. Looney tunes. How do you remember Looney Tunes being spelled? L-O-O-O-N-E-Y-T-U-N-E-S.

T-O-O-T-O-O-O-T-O-E? That's, that's correct. Wait, no, it's not T-O-O-N-S? That's what most people think. But it is T-U-N-E-S. What? Is it? Yeah.

It is. Oh, why wouldn't they do tunes? Like T-O-O-N-S? Well, you were right, you were right, though. I know, but still, then I thought that didn't even make sense. So it's loony tunes, but not loony tunes. I'm everything that's in my mind is wrong. There's also, like, fruit loops.

What's the fruit loops? I can't remember what the fruit loops what is. Fruit loops. There's that other thing. That's that Mandela effect. So there's the other thing where they put this a real, a real like experiment they did. They took all these people in a room, like in a classroom. So you're sitting at a desk.

They're adults. And they give you this super, super hard, like crossword puzzle. And nobody could get it and just nobody could complete it. They went outside the door and they posted all of the answers outside the door. And then one by one, they all started to get it. like the first person, it's like the answers were in the air. And then once the first person then gets it and leaves. But they didn't see it.

Nope. It's just once they were there and acknowledged into the atmosphere. And then once one person had it, then like the next person gets it from them and gets it and they just all start to do it one by one. That's exactly what I'm talking about. They manifested the answers. I mean, I do believe in manifesting. I do believe in putting it out there. There's nothing wrong with it.

No. So it's like, and she manifested that she'd be rich. as fuck and she got rich as fuck she but was able to buy an expensive house she was able to buy her chanel bags she's doing fine she doesn't appear to be in debt she got to be on real house as of beverly hill she wanted to be famous she's famous might not be the kind of fame she wanted but if people are still kind of curious and like going i'll do her course let's just see what happened i mean women are just so desperate for any kind of like yeah quick fix to love or whatever i will do A little warning, though, for people.

Now, you are a very strong manifester. And the last time we were with you from golfing on, you pretty much manifested, you were manifesting birds out of the sky, deer families. Yeah. But then it's like, you know, then you start to depend on the manifester. And this is why, you know, people turn on Amanda. You start to depend on the manifester to manifest what you want them to. And then at the end of the night, it's like, well, I mean.

you know, we were trying to get, you know. We went to dinner and we were manifesting like something fun to happen and nothing did. No. And I was like, why did we even go out to dinner? Yeah. We should have totally stayed home. Yeah. We were manifesting anything just exciting, some kind of, maybe we just weren't specific enough.

Yeah. Sometimes I'm like so happy in my life. I'm not asking for anything. Sometimes you are. I'm not even asking for anything. And you have to be specific. Yeah. You just, you, okay.

I'll stop piling on. Amanda. Yeah, please. But I just, you know. But anyway, girls, let me see if there's anything else. Okay, what do you think? We'll end on this. So yesterday, Michael Jordan, I guess he owns the car, but the race car driver's family won or something. And the kid, so they won some big thing together, Michael Jordan. Yeah. And the kid was right next to him. And Michael Jordan at the time that they one grabbed his butt he couldn't have been he's not even 10 he's probably like nine grabbed his bunch of times squeezed his little tush to get his attention because they won like boom boom boom boom and then like touched his bare leg because he's wearing shorts and it went viral they've talked to

the dad of him and he's like i've known michael jordan's family for years we're all really good friends i i don't think there's anything nefarious going on i understand why people might see it that way I just don't. We're all good. What is your opinion? Did you see it? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there was anything nefarious going on. I will say, though, that I can only handle watching it like twice.

It made me really uncomfortable. But with that said, I don't think he meant it that way. I don't know what he was thinking. I just don't know what he was thinking. Like, I guess if your family's close and you, I just don't know. No, I couldn't want. I was like, what the fuck? I mean, the only thing I can think of is, I remember, like, growing up, people would always be, there was something that they were like, I saw something, you know, where people were like old people would, like take a child's cheek and pinch their cheeks or whatever.

And I remember we were going to go, like, see some old relative of mine. And I'm like, I don't want them to pinch my cheek. Yep. And my mom's like, what? And I'm like, yeah, don't old people like pinch, like, fat cheeks or whatever. And so I do feel that there is something. where someone is like, give me that tritia, or like hugging that and like, it's not sexual.

Yes. You would think in this day and age, like you would definitely be made aware of it and be a Keanu Reeves that like is like this. But maybe he just hadn't ever thought of it. And he was like trying to get his attention. And he was just like, and chose to grab his butt cheek instead of like his shoulder.

Right. There was like a little of a pulling of the shirt too, which made me think, okay, well maybe. People were saying he had eye. or water down his shirt because they had dumped an ice bucket. There was something with a shirt that I was like, oh, he's not trying to just. They dumped it on the dad because of winning the race,

and it was a huge race, like, whatever it was. I thought that, too, though, like, give me that tushy. But I don't think the, he just seemed like he was doing some dude shit with the shirt and then did and trying to get his attention. I just remember my dad in church. He used to like, like to, like, take our little ears and, like, rub them like this. That's cute.

But I didn't really like it. You know what I mean? Like as a kid, that's the thing. It's like you almost, I remember the first time I saw this thing, baby massage or whatever. And I like had this woman come to my house

about how to give Drake a baby massage. Whatever, something weird. And when she told me how to do the baby massage, I mean, he was literally a baby. She said, like, you're supposed to be like, even though it's a baby, like, may I touch you here? Well, I mean, he couldn't say yes or no.

I don't know. I just feel like... Hello. I feel like, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like it's such a weird place to be now. It is your kid. Well, now it's a very weird place to be.

And all of that. And I didn't hate it. But I don't love my earlobe being touched. I don't think any kids do. I don't know. I had that too. I remember my, I think of a grant, like my butt being pinched a few times.

Yeah. Like, I don't want you touching me. Yeah. But where, you know, just like anyone sees a baby, you want to kiss the cheeks. I do remember one time my mom was like trying to like grab Drake and like be silly with him. And I don't know why it stressed me out so much. But like he was like, like no, like kind of rude about whatever. And then I felt this weird thing like I, wait, be nice to my mom.

Yeah. But I think it was because she had like long nails and somehow she's sort of like in a I literally scratched him. I remember it like yesterday, and I remember it being just a really weird place to be because I thought he was being disrespectful, but then I was also like understood where he was coming from, but I felt bad for my mom because she was like trying to connect.

And I also knew like how many years left do I have with my parents? Like it was just, it's just a weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's completely weird. And if it's not your own kid though, I mean at this point, right now, right now, in this moment, even if it's right now, stop and go, you know what, with everything in the world,

and we don't touch other people's kids. Let's just not touch other people's kids. Let's just, I don't care if you. And be mindful of how you touch your own. And be mindful of how you touch your own. Ask you if they, if you can give them a baby massage before you go, it's getting hot and heel. You made him just take off all your cook. What she's talking about is that song was playing when Drake was little. And so every morning when I take him out of his little ones or change him in his onesie, I would say it's, and I don't snap the thing. It's getting hot and heel to take off all your clothes. I am so hot. I gotta take my clothes off. And like, you know, like...

He's at this point doing a full strip tease. Yeah. But we're asking if we can... And he's wondering why he loves that song. Exactly. We don't stop singing it to Drake. This is a sad day. I know.

Do we break the news to everybody? But there isn't any big news because you're still going to get to see and get all your content of Brandi and Julie. They'll just be doing it in different state while they do the theater arts.

Explain everybody. Explain everybody to everybody where your show is going. All right. So we are leaving on Friday and going to Minneapolis to the Hollywood Theater for Nightmare on Strip Street, where

we will be doing it for a month. You can go to Nightmare and Stripsreet.com and Heather saw it. So fun. So good. And so we'll be in Minneapolis. Such a class. You can take anybody. It's a little sexy, but nothing that like too embarrassing for anybody, I don't think.

Like, so you could take, you know, friends, husband. Yeah. You know, I think people should be 18. But yeah. But that's it. That is a rule. Oh, okay. But other than that, like, totally great.

And especially for the people in Minneapolis right now, it's freezing cold and you've been through a lot. So it's going to be a very good, like, respite, just fun. Great music, great dancing, great comedy. Just a good time for everyone. Yes. And if you like liberal politics, you can follow us dumb gay politics podcast, free everywhere. And then we also have a Patreon. If you don't want to hear politics, because we don't do any politics there.

On the Patreon, which we'll be doing from Minneapolis, so it'll be all of our travel episodes. Those are always so funny. So it should be pretty fun. I think we'll, and of course we'll miss you. I mean, maybe if there's time, we can try to do some. thing on a Riverside or a Zoom. Yeah. But you guys are going to be busy.

And then, but then when you come back, it's going to be full on fun. Full on. Full on. Full on. We have our show, May 9th. Mm-hmm. Because you're going to come back at the end of March. Yeah.

And then we're right away. We're going to see you. Yeah. Because we have a special. We have a special fun thing going on. A whole thing we're doing. nonstop. We're going to be...

And then, of course, follow them on Instagram. Say, what are you both Instagram? If you have not followed them at the desk criminal because you have gotten so much fun out of them and they are very funny and very cool on their Instagram. So what is it? We're trying.

I'm at the Brandy Howard. I'm at Mr. Julie Goldman. And you can see all the things that she likes, like the lesbian love of Portia. I love it. I love it. I love it. And I'm at Heather Big Dog, join my Patreon

and I will be in Salt Lake City everybody. I will be in Salt Lake City four shows. Wow. Are you going to drink some dirty soda while you're there? I hope so. Oh, I'm going to do. I don't even anyway. It's Salt Lake City. It is March 20

and 21, 6 and 8.30. So early shows at the Wise Guys in downtown Salt Lake City. And it's going to be fun and new shit and talking to you guys and gossiping and all the juicy fun that you get when you see Heather McDonell live. Heather McDowell.net or go to the wise guys site. It's always the best to go to Heathermcdonald.net though, right? Yes, except it's not there right now. Yeah, just go to there.

Don't Google it. Don't go through any kind of ticket place. Go straight from Heather. She gets you the best price and you'll be, yeah, Heather MacDonald. That is where it's at. Thank you. Love you. Bye.