Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Brandy and Julie on Biggest Loser, RHOC and Premature Documentaries

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

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you guys may not deserve the week that you're having here at Juicy Scoop because we have now your favorite two girls are back Thank you no we did not stop being friends no there is no big drama

they had a big Hollywood moment in Denver for the past six weeks welcome back Julie Goldman, Brandy Howard, stars of Dumb Gay Podcast of stage and screen and theater and musicals and podcasting and commentating and watching TV. But per you, Chris Frangel got to come before we did. What is, you're right, he is my first real guest that sat in the chair besides my own self. And he was here on this week on Tuesday show. And now you guys are here. We saw this room

when it was a fixer. Yes. It was really homeless people were squatting in it. They really took a broken down house. It's a shanty. It's a shanty town. And look what they've done to it. It's crazy. I was standing on the street. I was flirting. I was flirting with different workers that drove by. I was like, everyone who's in here is wealthy. Everyone waves as they drive by. I was like, wow, this is the life. There is something about a neighborhood where everyone waves when they don't know each other. And I noticed it in my sister's gated community out in Lakeita years ago.

And there is just something comforting about it. Yeah. I'm not going to kill you. We're not going to come to steal anything. Yeah. I'm not going to hurt you. Yeah. Hi.

Great. This is heaven. Oh, it is like driving into fantasy island. Now, may I say this was all empty. It wasn't a fixer. It wasn't a shanty. No, I just had moved in things at all. And I'm still, we're still playing around with the looks of it.

Hopefully you are subscribed to the YouTube and you can watch it there and see her beautiful faces. But yes, it's always like a work in progress of the studio and whatever. But, okay, so you guys were gone for six weeks and doing this theatrical production. And how, what did you like about being gone and what are you happy to come home to Callie? Honestly, I feel like I don't ever want to leave my bed again. I feel like I don't ever want to leave the bed. You had to leave it today. That's true, which is worth it.

Yeah. But I missed, I got so homesick. Really? I got really homesick. Yeah. And I got, and but then when I was back home and was in my bed, I was just like, oh, I'm so lucky to have my bed. You just missed your own bed. Yeah.

We did meet a lot of, this is true. We got stopped by a lot of Juicy Scoop fans. Oh, I love that. In Denver. It was really cool. Chris Vanjel just said he got stopped by someone in Iceland. I love you on Juiceland. I said, I love you on Juicy Scoop.

It just means so much to me because I'm very lucky to be doing what I did. They were all really attractive women, too. I have the best-looking audience. You do. And I'm proud to say it. Yeah. You shouldn't. And, yeah.

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First, I'm going to go back to this one because I just want to talk about the Netflix fit for life that ever, fit for TV, fit for TV. And in it, Jillian Michaels did not participate. However, they talked obviously about her because she was one of the main trainers. and it was that there was a big drama about the fact that she gave her team caffeine pills. And it was on the show. And she said on the show, well, it's better than, to me, in my opinion, it's better than giving a bunch of cup of coffees, which maybe would be caffeine. I mean, would maybe be calories.

And so, but they said, well, we're still going to cut you four pounds. We're going to add four pounds to your group total because remember they'd be competing against each other. so she is furious and she says i'm going to sue netflix bob harper who was the other trainer and dr uh huzenga who was like the medical doctor on it and she said i've got emails i've got all this stuff about it um going back and forth and i read some of the texts and emails and one of them that she shared was talking to a contestant and it said just do a light workout tomorrow and make sure you have at least 1,600 calories.

And she submitted that to show that they're not starving the people. But then I noticed that the girl wrote, can't wait to be back at the ranch. So that tells me, and I'm just surmising for what I saw, I'm not on the legal case. But that tells me that whatever this contestant, because there was 19 years of the show or something, had left. and came back. And by saying have at least 16 calories and don't work out that hard, in the special, they said they wanted you to be as fat as possible when you came back. And these two sisters were going to do it.

And they wanted to kind of get a jump start. And they're like, no, don't have a jump start. Or maybe it was the cop. Don't have a jump start. Be eating as much as you can. So when you come and we make you take off your top and we just have to see you in your brawet, you look fat as fuck like I guess so

of course the show is just shocking to anyone that wasn't living through it which we did and living through it meaning we watched it we were aware of how inappropriate was but then just to watch it even 15 years later it's just shocking

let me tell you my connection with biggest loser please do so I don't even remember what year it is we could look it up or not or whatever but I knew and was friends with somebody who was on the who was on, a contestant. Yeah. And I believe she either won or came in second that season.

How did you know? Her name is Poppy Kramer. Now, she was a comedian from New York. Okay. And super talented, super funny. Super funny. Also getting first or second is crazy good, right? She lost a shit ton of weight.

She was very large. Okay. And very short. Was she funny on the show? She's funny. Yeah. So she's a personality. She was a personality on the show.

And I believe she was very, very liked and loved from the show, from what I understand. So where is she now? She died. Wait, stop. She died? She died. Of what? And that's why I kind of didn't want you to say her name.

No, it's okay. Well, that's why she wasn't in the special. I mean, I'm, yeah, that's why she wasn't in a special. I mean, I was like, why is she not, why are they using someone famous in the documentary? So what did she die from? Well, it's, it's, it's, from what I understand that there was. was possibly an overdose situation, however. Of caffeine pills, aka Adderall.

I mean, I'll say this, I, she means she was a full comedian. And we went, so she did the biggest loser. I probably worked with her, I don't even know how many times. And I was, I've been on the road with her, I knew her, I was friends with her. When she, after the biggest loser, or it might have been during the time when they, isn't there a hiatus between like, there's some hiatus where they. and they have to live and then go back. I guess it's the...

Yeah, I kind of remember that. I don't know if that was included in the special, but in the documentary, but yeah, I do. And then they kind of like, yeah, go back to their house and show them. Right. Yeah. So she was living the, you know, biggest loser, like, how am I going to keep this weight off lifestyle on the road?

And when I tell you this bitch brought a scale as if it was the scales of justice, Drake, it was like the thing that you take down from the Supreme Court and put here. That thing with the two. Like the doctor's office. Like, yes. And that was huge. It's like two things. Why would she just like a normal electric one?

And I don't know. And she was and she was like I got to, she's kind of like a gruff, you know, Jew, New York Jew. And she was just like, I don't know, I just got to get this chicken. And I'm not sure how much it's going to weigh. So now that's too much chicken. Oh, she brought a food scale. Yeah, food scale.

I thought you better have scale for her to step on. Oh, no, food scale. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. And it was like her entire. It was. a thing. I mean, and she was weighing the food.

And was she like running like you're at some gross motel and she's like running around the motel? She was, I mean, and she went and she was tiny, so skinny. She got so skinny. And then now in my personal opinion, they get so skinny in such a short amount of time. When you fluctuate and weight like that more than, you know, a handful of times, you will die. And that's what I think occurred. Yeah, well they taught that very, very sad. How long did she pass? It's been a couple years I guess. It was, wasn't it before

20? It was before 20, 20, it was 2018 or 2019? I think that she, I think she was, the last time I saw her, I think she might have been a little depressed. It was very sad. But it was really, really, really sad. And she was constantly fighting that weight, and she did,

she did gain weight back. But she didn't get as fat as she was at the beginning, but she did, she did fluctuate and weight. That, that, I think there's something happens. Can you, there's something happens when not only are you doing weight loss, which is extreme, which is so hard. And listen, we know, you know, fluctuating in the weight and everything and do what I have to do. But we're all there.

You know what I mean? Everybody pretty much is. It's pretty rare that someone is like, you know what? I've been happy with my weight and my body my entire life. And you know who it is? Fucking Drake. Look at Drake. Look at his legs up.

He's like, my body's good. like literally he's like I don't know what you guys are talking about it's like women's voices I'm like well guys if they want to lose weight all they have to do is be like I'm gonna give up beer and fries yeah for a day yeah I lost 30 pounds last night it's like wow good for you I know my mother texted me like your brother lost 50 pounds I was like when when what he talking about he lost 50 pounds oh great now I have to go kill myself like great I'm glad he lost he was able to 50 do you know how hard they drink do you I get bread for a night and I've lost 10 pounds 50 pounds that motherfucker so but there is that thing where you lose it quickly and then your heart

you know but then also I just want to add and they're on a TV show right and they become personalities so now you're fluctuating in a huge amount of weight you're living the the lifestyle of being on reality TV and both of those things are taken away and or one of those things is fluctuating and I think the mental instance ability of that causes a lot of problems. And when you do so to gain weight, the former fat friends are calling each other and they're happy. They're getting fat again.

And then the people that were rooting for you, strangers are not, are just like heartbroken and then you're upset with yourself. Yeah, I mean. But basically what they said in the doc is that, you know, first it sounded like they were blaming on the show. And then this one contestant said, listen, I. I fluctuated so much in my life of going up and down and up and down before I got to, the biggest loser, that I had probably already fucked my metabolism for life.

Yeah. And so they have this one guy that won it and he, you know, had lost so much weight, what I like literally like almost 200 pounds in six months or something. And he like shows his muscles and this and that. Then he gets on Dr. Oz and they, you know, fix his skin. and then they're then they cut to him today and he's bigger than he was ever he must be close to 400 pounds but also he's sitting in a chair like we're sitting in and I said to Drake I go seriously like the angle like they basically had the camera like going up from his crotch so his stomach

was like this and I'm like I get it they had to show that he was you know heavy again seemed happy he's like I have a great life I have a great wife he's like a teacher or something Um, you know, and then the other people that had maintain their weight or even gotten thinner, they're like, I'm on, you know, I'm on Ozempic and it's fucking great and it stopped the food noise and we're, I'm just thrilled. And, you know, so, and then they, you know, cut to, you know, Jillian Michaels saying, I don't know if they cut to her on the special. I saw it somewhere where she's with Bill Maher and she's just like, you know, yeah, it doesn't work and you'll die or whatever. Well, of course they don't, you know, you know, that industry doesn't really want it, you know. But now there's a lot that are going with it

being like, here's some, here's a supplement you can take to keep you regularly. Here's a way to get your protein in. Oh. This is what you have to do when you're on GLPs. You have to, you know, if you're going to eat. I just saw a commercial for a prepared meals that are specific if you are on GLP ones so that they're so high protein. The money that's going to be made. It's all. I mean, Come on. Why wasn't Jillian Barbary? I mean, Jillian Michaels. Why wasn't she invited to participate?

Well, that's what people said. If you had a big gripe about it, why wouldn't you come on? I think that she's just become like very controversial in her opinions of things. And I don't know. I had her on my show years ago. And she dropped the juiciest bomb that I was like literally had to change my underwear after. I was like, I am so wet. This is insane.

what was it well then i got the call like right before it was about to go up while i was actually at jill zarin's house and it was like you can't play that part was it about the biggest loser no it i will tell you at lunch but it was about when she was she was an agent's assistant and she would hear you know anytime an agent has a call with anybody the assistants on the phone like taking notes and things rolling the call in the day now i guess you can could just, you know, record it or whatever. But like back then you'd have someone kind of and she would hear a very, let me say, Epstein like behavior of meeting people. And so something like that is all I'm going to say, I don't know who, you know, but obviously someone could go,

oh, well, who did you work for, whatever. So all I'm saying is she said, take it out. And I didn't have it in there and um but it was something about whatever she heard was you know juicy juicy and she said it all and I couldn't believe that she was saying it but I can see why it's a dangerous thing for me even to like reference right now which I wonder did I say too much no you really didn't no we couldn't figure it out none at all we can't figure out like yeah it just it was it was just a not it was just, yeah, not a good story about that these people working in that industry. Okay, so, so then the story that I remember hearing

is that she was like in age, yeah, and then this job came up and she was getting into fitness and she like auditioned for it. But she was actually representing people or was on her way to be an age. So she's been in the industry for a long time, entertainment industry. But she was just a fit person who was auditioning? Like she wasn't a trainer? You know, now I'm like wondering if I am remembering the story, but she definitely worked as an agent's assistant at a big agency.

And then between there and somehow then got on this and, you know, it was just such a good combination between the two of them and all that. But this other guy just did an interview. And he said, the only thing that Gillian Michaels told us to do, because he was one of the contestants is the night before the weigh-end, they'd rub Preparation H all over their bodies because some people, you know, put it on their but other people put it like under their eyes to like take away puffiness. So if you put it all over your body that will that will suck up the water weight a little bit, then you do your way end and then you go drink some water.

and according to him, which the interview was on TMZ, he said that's, that was one of the things that she said to do. Does that like tighten up your skin? I mean, I mean, I mean, it's kind of, it depuffs. I mean, it reminds me of when like people would do those, you know, Tamara and Teresa like workout fitness things where they make you like, they paint you like a chocolate brown. Yes. Part of that is they want you to be super dehydrated.

so that your skin sucks to your muscles so much. Like, so you really, you are really like barely drinking water for like three days before. Yeah, you do all those things. Any water. Yeah. Which is like such a weird thing because it's like drink as much water as possible as the healthy thing as I take a sip. Didn't the one other guy die to? Didn't one of the host people?

No, Bob Harper. had a horrible heart attack. Oh, he had a horrible heart attack. He had a horrible heart attack, and he said that out of everybody that he knew in his life, everyone reached out to him, but Jillian Michaels. What do you think the difference between a regular heart attack and a horrible heart attack is? I mean, he had a long recovery.

So he fully had a heart attack. He literally was like at a gym or somewhere and like fell to the ground. And I don't know if he was working out or what. But yeah, just, you know, I guess like a taking. time bomb one of those things where it's like heart attack you know is a heart attack like yes there's ways to prevent it but it happens to the healthiest people and it happens to the ones that are not I don't know but but he's still alive so he's still alive he looks good and then this other guy I saw said I want to tell you my Bob Harper story this is just someone I saw like TikTok and he's like I was a

gay fatty and there's nothing worse than being a gay fatty but I was a gay fatty and I but I love Bob Harper because he's a thin gay, you know, and a fit gay and gay with a little dog. So, I mean, what could be better? So he's like, I bought the books. I did the diets. I was working my ass off. And I had lost a lot of weight, you know, for him. And he sees him out one day.

And he's like, oh, my God, Bob. I'm such a huge fan and everything. And he's doing the text out. And he goes, and hold on. I'm going to stop the recording. And then I'm going to do another bit. that's what he says to show you what how Bob Harbert looked at me

okay and he said Bob Harbert went like this he went like he went okay and just like walked away oh my God looked him up and down and was like

okay okay like thanks for saying you're a fan of mine but you're not a body I approve of still Like it was just God But I think since he almost died He's probably about nicer Must be

Was he in the dock? Well he was in the dock All over the dock Yeah I love that she's not in the dock I'm living by that That is so shady That they do everyone

And they don't do hers She's like one of the main things Of the show Sometimes I think people Choose not to do the dock Because they're like Screw you It won't be that good without me

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Okay, well, let me ask you. If they come and they go, we're doing Chelsea lately, Doc. I'm sure it's next because just what Doc they're doing next. What? Oh, my God. I cannot believe this person has a doc, okay? William White was on my show because he had every woman over 50 rubbing one out to him during COVID. He was a Canadian cute boy that would poorly lip sync oh, Mandy, and I have you, I know, and songs like that, right to the camera. And it just, it made you feel like John Travolta was singing to you. And so it was like, It was a big thing. And anyway, he came on my show, and I got to give the whole story of how he became, like, how this all happened, how he just heard this, this, his dad was playing this song and he just did it.

And then it just blew up. And then it was like, oh, my God, only do songs from like the 70s. So it was all Barry Manilow. It was all like songs from the 70s and like him being cute. Then he got a modeling agent. And I remember talking to him on Zoom. And he's like, so do you see Palm Tree? And I was like, yeah, like we live in L.A.

There's palm trees everywhere. And he goes, I just want to see a palm tree one day. And I was like, oh, I should appreciate these palm trees more. Anyway, where does he live? He was in Canada. And then he said, I'm working on my weight. The modeling agent was saying like he needs to slim down. And I said, well, I think you should get into acting and da-da-da-da.

Because he was just so appealing. Then I never heard about him again. He has his own documentary. on September 9th on Paramount Plus. What are we documenting? His weight journey? The entire trailer is just basically TikToks and women responding to TikToks. And then that also women bought him things and that they came up to him.

And his own mother was like, you know, you're in the dock for sure. No, I mean, not in the trailer, but I said they're going to play the clip of you being like, yeah, I should appreciate the palm trees. I mean, it was just a Zoom thing. So I don't know, but they could, you know, and I don't know that it was on YouTube at the time. So it's like they could take things off of YouTube without asking me. I will have no idea if it's on.

Are they allowed to use a clip from your podcast without clearing? As long as it's on YouTube, yeah. It has to be for 2020. It's not. Oh, well, it's on in 2020, you mean? Yeah. I'm not sure. We'll have to check.

But it's Paramount Plus. We've got to be in the William White doc. And, you know, and yeah. I think that he struggled with the fame and then people were sending him money and tips and all this stuff. And the mom's like, we never had a meal that we didn't pay for, but then people would be coming up to us. And so I'm sure it was, it's going to be kind of something about how, like, it's the first

TikTok fame, you know? What was that show on E that was like E true Hollywood story? It's going to be like E true TikTok story. Like, it's just a TikTok story of how he like degraded. Yeah, because I don't think he ever did like come and do any acting or anything. I don't know, but now he has his own doc. So yes, should there be a document about Chelsea Lilly? My question to you, wait, I have a question too.

No, but my question is, would you, they're going to do Chelsea lately, they're going to have all the people. We all know the people. We don't need to say. But, because Julie and I love to be like, that's going to cost you. Like, we don't have time. We're time poor. We're very time poor. Okay.

Would you do it for, okay, let me give the parameters. You're going to have to drive. to Culver City. Culver City's far. And it's so inconvenient. It's people who don't live here don't understand how inconvenient it is. It really is.

From the Valley. And over Robertson and you still have so long to drive. It's just so long. You've still got it with free. Honestly, it's more convenient for you now than it is for us. From Burbank to Culver City, I'm like this. Nope, I'm not doing it.

I'll go to Vegas. You can literally say drive to Vegas and I'd do it. Oh, the additions in Vegas? I'll be there. So it's Culver City. Yeah. It's 8 a.m. Okay.

It's a six-hour day. Yes. Okay. Now you get to do the thing where you go. Are we really doing this? Yeah. No. Free.

I have done every documentary that I've been part of for bone-free. I have never been paid for any documentary, any nightline, any Hulu doc, any the hustler and the housewife. No. I just recently found out that people can get paid. You have been going to pay for the things we see one of the shit? No. Are you shocked? Don't be shocked.

I'm a thirst bucket. I'm so excited. You will literally. Somebody is going to be running the camera besides my son at this point that I'm like, yeah, I'll be there. No, I'm shocked because you'll be paid to literally show up to a party. So they don't. But I would also go to the party for free. But if they're paying, I'm like, great.

So they don't pay for these dogs? I had no idea. I, I, don't know. I only... Like some people may be, right, yeah. I found out only through somebody else to tell talk of you, the one, that we were both part of it. And, you know, I got paid nothing and that person got paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. But I have to say, without that particular person, I don't think that there

really would have been a doc at all. So I don't blame someone for demanding it. Of course. It's kind of under the guise of, like, journalism and stuff. I know when they've done, they did a housewife one recently, they've done housewife ones. And I've heard that when they reached out to real housewives, they have said, we, you know, we want to be paid. And if they were offering them, it was so little that they're like, I don't think I want to do it, you know, when it's not a Bravo related thing. Like, if I'm going to kind of piss off Bravo and talk about, like, it's got to, you know, be significant.

Okay, you have a question, but I have one more. Okay. First of all, I don't. Of course, I don't. Of course I would do it because it was such a big part of my life. I would never not be part of it. You know it's six hours. It's 8 a.m. Culver's six. Yes.

I would do my own hair makeup like, oh, do you decide. Yeah. Okay, I'm not being paid. Now I'm, and this goes for the Bravo thing too.

It's like, okay, well then I'll come to your free bullshit. But I'm not given the dirt. But now if they give you, let's say, they give you 10 grand for an hour. And then you're like, okay,

I'm just going to tell all the shit. Like, how far do you go telling the secrets in the dock, are you going to be? Well, I feel like I have talked a lot about it on my podcast and on Patreon. So I feel like it's already, there's nothing I would spill there that I haven't spilled somewhere else, even on the Get Me Behind Gates level of Patreon. But I would have to, I don't remember.

I've done like 900 episodes. But I know there's probably very little. It would probably, the way they would get the dirt is if they brought up something that I honestly had forgotten about. And then you sell the truth? Yes, at this point, sure. There isn't that much, like, there's nothing illegal or salacious or sexual harassment or anything that ever happened on that show.

It's just like, oh, wow, you know, like, just like it would be about the fit for life. Like, wow, that's, I can't believe they, you know, to someone that's, you know, 25 watching TV now, they'd be like, I can't believe they did that. I can't, oh, my God, that's horrible. Like, what was that about? Like when we saw you making out with fortune When you were being Jerry Joel Heather

See I forgot about that I literally forgot It's so good I literally You're out with a full woman Okay Because we were doing I mean yeah

We would just do crazy shit But the thing is that There wasn't There weren't podcasts Then cutting a clip And dissecting it There weren't There wasn't even Instagram

Until like the last couple years of the show There wasn't all of that. It wasn't even like people tweeting about it because the next day there'd be a whole another show. Right. So there wasn't just, there wasn't a long way of it living. It wasn't on YouTube.

The episodes weren't on YouTube. You either watched it on E or you didn't watch it at all. So it's just like the only time that someone got mad was when she made a joke about Syria. Oh, God. And this, and Syrian people like, she needs to apologize. And she's like, well, I'm not. And then the other one was. comment, some comment that was made about Anna Nicole's daughter and Burkhead was like, well, let me come down and you interview me about it or something. And we're just like, no, like that was it. Like, it was just the next day moved on. We never like, the rerun would only run, like the rerun would only happen, you know, within that week or maybe a random one once in a while. But like, so there weren't reruns for, it wasn't like a sitcom like, oh, we better remove that.

Right, you know. So it was just kind of like, yeah. So yeah, I think we're probably next. I think we're probably next to have a doc. Do you want to ask your question? I mean, everybody has one, so like, why don't we have one yet? Oh, he's so good. Yeah.

Well, first of all, I really enjoyed this hard-hitting interview section. I mean, I have even more to say, because they just spun off E out of NBCU. Yeah, yeah. There's so many opportunities to be such a good documentary. It would be such a good documentary. My question is this for both of you. Actually, it should be more than one's episode. I will say this.

Besides not getting paid, which I still don't, I have, I have finally, after living out far from everything in L.A., my entire life, Woodland Hills, now further in Thousand Oaks, I now have, when people ask, I say, you can come to the house, that now I do that. So I wouldn't be going to Century City. And I do think if they do the Chelsea lately thing, that I'm valuable enough that they would come yes to my house and i do see drake making it out like i'm going to say no to the documentary because now i have to deal with setting up the house okay go on yes here's my question this is you know just just uh just to piggyback on this um interview my question is this is it attractive when a grown man says all i want is to see a palm tree going back to rium white

it was like do we do we how do we how do we how do we feel about that? Honestly, it made me go. I need to appreciate where I grew up and live. I am appreciative of my life in California, which is why I'm not moving to Wyoming or Austin or any of the other states that treat you better. But I mean, it was expensive. But yeah, and you don't have to pay taxes or whatever the case. But yeah, I just was like, yeah, that must be. I also kind of thought, oh, you're right. Like you grow up in a cold part of Canada and you see 902, no, you see all the movies

that involve palm trees and you've never seen one. And I just thought that's such a simple, sweet thing. And I do think he was kind of a simple guy. I mean, he wasn't going to college or anything. And I remember his parents were, I remember something I was like, Are any of these women trying to, like, get to your dad? You know, because clearly they're, like, old and you're like the younger version of your dad. And he said, yeah, and it's like a, you know, like, I have a mom, like, she likes my dad.

Like, it's a little bit much. Like, I remember it was, it was short because I'm like, I'm interviewing this, like, TikTok sensation five years ago. And nobody, no, whenever we still think TikTok is dancing and he's doing lip syncing. And, um, literally useless. He's a useless. But no, they didn't. And they did, but they did not contact me. I will be absolutely shocked if they show a clip of Juicy Scoop all died.

Did he not actually sing the song? He lip synced them. Yeah. The man. And he has a lifetime doc, a doc about his life. No, it's about 50-year-old women and how they need help. That's the dog. That's the dog.

The doc is what is the psychosis that happened to these women. You actually came with the take that's so good because it never even would occurred to me that they're coming for the dad. I never even would have thought that they would. Yeah, like, is he single? Is he da-da-da, you know? Okay, so a little update on a case that we've been covering, which is a lawsuit involving Kevin Costner and stunt woman, Devin Lebella, who is my niece. And she has been a professional stunt woman for years and stunt coordinator and was, you know, had over 100 things on IMBD. She's working since she was three years old.

She's very professional. And basically the case is she was working on, as a stunt double at this, in this particular scene on Horizon 2, which is a Kevin Costner trilogy. And she'd worked on the first one. And there was a rape scene where she was playing the doubling for the lead in which it was not planned out. It was not worked through the rule. of SAG AFRA, which is you need to have this many years prior to doing it. You need to meet with an intimacy cordoning.

You need to know about it. And basically, to lead up to it, now Kevin Costor's people are asking for it to be dismissed. And part of the dismissal and all these articles that was written about Devin is that there's people on set that said she seemed fine and was acting professional afterwards. and was not screaming and crying. And in fact, they zoomed on in photos where she looked to be having a slight smile. Oh, no.

Wow. So, and just so people know, too, in everything that's been reported, that right away, there's text messages of her saying, what the hell happened? She was so distraught. She actually sought a therapist within three weeks of this incident.

So to try to do a story, of, well, now it's now many, many times, many years later, this person is doing a money grab or whatever. That's not at all the case. She went through all the proper channels of saying, hey, something went wrong. This shouldn't have happened. And I don't want this to happen to future women, especially in my business. Then she was shut out and not heard and pretty much blackballed has not worked since. And, you know, this is Hollywood, and he's a huge mogul. And these people that are now, you know, signing off on it are all men who worked on the show

that was about women in the 1800s. Oh, is that what it is? It was like a Western. And so it's just kind of ironic that her, this female character in person wasn't really respected either on the set. what does it mean when you ask for a case to be dismissed i mean don't doesn't everyone want that i mean i don't think it's going to happen because they have so much evidence of of correspondence and everything else and now people will have to be

so he like filed a thing to have the judge dismiss it there's no way he can get out of this that she was fine that this is bullshit and she got a slight smile on her face and doing it out of the public and like she's professional god forbid you've professional after you're harassed at work i mean when i was harassed but Norm Pattis, I chuckled uncomfortably too. Of course. We all do. It doesn't, you know, it's like, what, you're just like, what's going on?

And when she's a stunt person, she's, she's like literally trained to be in a scary, stressful, life-threatening situation and play it off like it's not scary. That's literally the job of a stunt person. Right. Of course she did that and then was processing it. And not for nothing, if I may. Even in real life, even if you're in a. back alley and you get even if you cannot win for losing with shit like this with women like you can't even there's no right way to react were you and also well what were you wearing even if it

truly happened in real life how many times what was she wearing why did she go to his hotel room why did you let him open the door why did you let him touch you why did you why did you it's always the woman's fault always whether it's at work or whether it's an actual real life whether it's it's just like, you know, we can't. We hate this story, Heather. It's so triggering. It's, it drives me insane. And now she's going to be told she doesn't even have the, the right to when she did everything right that every woman is scared to do right after. And did it right the way you're, you know, the way the unions are telling you to do it, the way you're supposed to go to your superior, you have a conversation with them, all this stuff. And, you know, yeah, I assume, you know, he is who he is and is, you know,

like going his way and, you know, he's a huge person in Hollywood. He can give a lot of people jobs. Is it so hard for them? Devin the Stent Woman is not, it does not have a studio named after her and is not going to be hiring a million people. So the people that were on her side, I'm assuming either, you know, are not coming to the forefront in her defense, but we'll see because it's now going to have to go to the next level, but this is just another way to, you know, prolong it.

Even if you did makeup or hair, and now you, it was kind of like that Nickelodeon dock. It's like now, why are going to go forward? Now I'm going to go and testify. Then I'm going to lose my job. Right. Now I'm not going to get to do hair on Horizon 10, you know? Because I want to say I witness this. All those people will have to share.

And there is, you know, going to be evidence of that, you know. Kevin Costner had an opportunity to step up and be a real man. And to, I would imagine it would have gone. long way for him to go, you know what, I'm really sorry. And we weren't thinking and pay a certain amount of money to her. Apologize. Perhaps change the rules on the on the on the on the on the on set moving forward. Be an actual man. Be a human being and try and do something and try and do it right. This is somebody's you have daughters. You have a wife like what are we doing here? The reason I don't I just I can't take it. The only thing. The only thing I thought was it's maybe the

just a huge narcissistic ego of someone like that of never wanting to admit that they did anything wrong and then also maybe not by not admitting because i was like why wouldn't you just say hey there was a massive miscommunication on my set and you know therefore this and this was all before there was any you know this was all in the beginning yeah it was just like just acknowledge and let's see how we can fix it and then it was like no you know now you're no long you're no longer asked back on the next movie you're no longer you know now you have the major stink on you like i've i've had stink on me where people just avoid me and it's been nothing like this and that's just you know it's you you think things got better since me too no it's almost like it took a

different turn that it's like so anyway that's where we're out with that and i'm excited to see what else will come the lawsuits going forward but he's trying to get it dismissed yes but we're saying saying that there's no merit to it and everything. And there definitely is. Otherwise, you know, she wouldn't have. There's so much evidence. Devin, when you want the vigilante groups to get together. Okay. I am like so down. You have no idea. Well, we are definitely 100% obviously behind her. Yeah. And the Blake Baldoni thing didn't get dismissed. Did it? No, that's still going. And the latest on that is is very interesting because she, you know, she is deposed content creators thinking that he or wayfar may have paid them to do a smear campaign. He has deposed the girl that played her in the younger

version of herself in, it ends with us. And now she is saying that she's being harassed and bullied by being subpoenaed by Justin, which of course he has a right to subpoena her because she was on the set and he's being accused of sexual harassment. And it's like, listen, you know, whatever happened there, that needs to be cleared up and exposed as well. Well, like I'm not blatantly going, you know, oh, it's always this person's in the right. But when something goes wrong, like, let's see. She's saying something went wrong on the set. So we'll see what comes out of it and where we go with it.

You know, I certainly hope this thing with Devin is not thrown out. That will be such a tragic injustice on top of injustice. Injustice on top of it. It's crazy. I don't think so, but it's hard. Now, we're going to get in housewives now. And we're going to have such even a better time. when we get into the Housewives in person during BravoCon on Friday, November 14th at the

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watching you know i always make it interesting for you and i'm going to tell you what's going on There's a girl who's in her second season named Katie. She's a very pretty Asian girl who was adopted from, I think, Korea to a white family. And she is divorced and married to a very nice guy. And she was living in San Diego, but she very much wanted to be on the OC and is renting a house in the OC. And she's on it. She's very attractive. She reached out to, I am telling you, every person that has an Instagram account,

that might have Bravo somewhere written into the description. I personally talked to five different people that she reached out and talked to to try to befriend and get info out about her castmates. So we see this uncovering on the show because those same people that she talked to, other housewives like Tamara also talks to in my opinion. Okay. So, Tamara has been talking to people like me from a million years ago, but I never broke stories. Like, I get these housewives, don't tell anybody, don't tell anybody. And they kind of want me to say it on my show, but that's not what I do. And, but these other people are like,

oh, my God, I'll do a meme about it. I'll share that thing. So, you know, she talks to these other people and it starts to get out and then it gets back to what she said. It gets back to Tamara through the other people that do all this. And then Tamara brings it out on camera. And it's that Gretchen, who was on the show many years ago, there was an infamous scene with Gretchen and Tamara where Gretchen goes to Tamara's house. And Tamara has got her older son there, Ryan and Vicki. And she goes, let's get Gretchen naked wasted. Let's get her naked wasted. And there's like a tequila tasty and they keep giving to it. And she gets drunk. She gets really. drug. She's like,

Brian, she's getting all drunk. And he, Ryan is bartending and he's trying to get with her and she's, and you can hear her go, I don't get away from me. I have a very nice fiance who was Jeff, who was the fiance that she had that then died of cancer before she got with Slate. So that was that. So according to Katie, Katie tells this other person that does what we all do. And she says, I was out with Gretchen and Gretchen said that Tamara roofied her that night. And then that person goes and tells other people that do what we do and they go and tell Tamara.

So like podcasters, bloggers, everything. Okay. And people that do meme ones, people that have our anonymous accounts that you don't know if they're a guy or a girl, all those people. And then they, that person then tells Tamara. And Tamara, you know, is like, whatever. So the chain was that supposedly Gretchen told Katie and Katie told the bloggers. And then the bloggers told other bloggers who then told Tamara.

Okay. And then Tamara then is like, oh, it's a slow day in New Orleans. I'm going to drop the shit now. And she says it to Gretchen, who's like, what? Oh my God. I'm watching it. And I'm like, this is what I think happened. And this is just my opinion.

because I am not talking to these people but I just know how it works because other people told me about this months ago that this was coming down and when they told me about it months ago the word roofy was not used okay so I don't think the word roofy was ever used was it just drugs what I think happened was

I think Gretchen in talking to Katie was going through her history with Tamara or the show and said oh my god that night I have never been more drunk I probably had alcohol poisoning or should have gone to urgent care or whatever. It was crazy. That's what I think she said. Then I think Katie,

who clearly has a problem with exaggeration and the truth, because they have her doing a lie detector theft later, went and said, oh my God, you know, Gretchen said that she like almost died from, you know, being at Tamara's house, being drunk. And then I think that got back to Tamara. And then I think personally,

then Tamara added the word Roofied to it, which then I think puts a legal element to it, gets everyone scared, defamation, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Also, Roofied is like kind of a Gen X word. Like, it's kind of an older word. It's like I don't really feel like people say it. And the only time I've ever had someone say it is when Shannon one time told me that she thought she was Roofied

at a bar in Newport. I don't even say it in the kids. Candy scandal. Remember with candy with Fadre? They didn't say Ruffy. So anyway. They said like drugged them or whatever they said. Gretchen's like I don't, that's not what Katie said.

And Katie's like, I didn't say that. I never said. I never said that. And Gretchen's like, my God, I never accused camera or whatever. I'm like, I just think this is a case of like telephone that just then got exactly. Everyone wanted to up the story they heard previously. And so now it becomes this whole big thing. and you know and all these people are coming out saying oh my god well i met with katie too

and katie told me that you know this husband's gay and this house husband is gay and that's always the thing they always say there's always been rumors that uh you know the happily married people on the show tamara and eddie eddie's gay uh heather and terry's gay you know it's always like that's there's because there's no proof to it there isn't one person there isn't one person that's ever said yes here is a photo of he and i and my name's tom and we had sex like no one's ever really gone on the record to say it but it's such an easy thing to like throw out there right and so definitely not todd chrisley because he's definitely straight no and also he is as straight as can be and also Shane's gay not terror right right okay Shane's gay not terror Dr. Tara's not gay

Dr. Tara's super all Shane wants to do is do me from behind while I have it a spray Marcel Martini. That's right. He does. I wish he was gay. He was gay. He had more style. He is.

Remember they I was saying about Ken, too? That kind of reminded me of Lisa Vanderpump. That was right. That guy, that grifter that lived with her then said Ken was gay. Oh, why is he gay? Oh, because they ran gay clubs. Why is Eddie Tamara's husband gay? Because at one time he had a couple, a gay roommate or.

you can't again again i don't think any of these guys are my personal opinion is none of them are do you imagine the beautiful life that eddie could have if he was gay instead of being a house husband i mean he's good looking he lives in newport like no obviously they've been married a long time now like that's not the case but those are the things that gets out there and now i feel like people are like good say my husband's gay like I don't fucking care you know like who cares it's so not a big deal anymore but it's all that kind of stuff so there's that we definitely think Peter

might be I want to get it Peter well there was a thing of that shirt that he wore all right remember the gay shirt at the attorney general he had that gay shirt on it where he was rented and it was very it was gingham there was gay guys all

trying to hit on him that was so great Yes, I went to a thing about a political thing for a gay man who was running for attorney general. It was nonpartisan. And Peter was just talking to him about, you know, policy and things like that. Like, we were pretty excited to be at this thing. And then someone said, and how did you guys meet? And I said, he's my husband.

And they're like, oh, I thought he was the husband to the guy running for attorney general. And I never got a better compliment in my entire life. And it was. It was because he was doing, I think he stopped doing that, Peter, a Drake. He was part of a group, a thing that would send him clothes. It was called the gay men's course. It was called the LGBTQ shirt.

Yes, LGBTQ men's gay men's chorus. Bum titty bum bum bum bum, bum, titty bum, boom. Uh-huh, uh, oh, uh, oh, uh, oh, uh. So anyway, it's all, it's all crazy and ugly. So do you think that Katie, so you, are you saying that this was an accidental game of telephone and that she's denying it and that she does I know I think she set out to I think she played the game completely wrong thinking I'm going to follow and talk to every single person that has any kind of stake in the bravo world

in commenting on it to get them on my side and in having their attention I'm going to exaggerate and maybe even make-up stories, and I do believe that she did that. And thank God she did. Otherwise, we don't have a show. Honestly, that's the whole name of the game. I mean, you know. So, I mean, that's the show.

But, I mean, apparently Bravo's not happy. You know, Alex isn't happy. Oh, really? I was asking about that this is going on. But it's like, well, too bad. Like, this is what it is, this is what it is now. But it's like, yeah, it's not, it's, I don't know. It's like the toothpaste is out of the tube.

Like, how are we ever going to get back to just them actually talking about what's going on at the party. Like naked wasted. Even with naked wasted, that was like a juicy scene. And of course, 17 years later, it looks really bad. It looks really bad, but... It's giving the biggest loser. Yeah, she wouldn't do that today, but she did it 17 years ago and whatever.

I am sick of the blogger situation in it. I think it's played out. I love the low-stakes drama of, like, Tamara showing the picture of Jen. Fat pick. Right. So then she, Tamara's on a role saying that Jen wanted to be her. And by saying wanted to be her, did she want to be on the show? Yeah. She probably did. She's divorced mother of five. She's in the town. She knows the people. She's awesome. Yeah. She wants to be on it. So she said she came to my gym. She, um, you know, was trying to be my friend. Yeah. She's like, who should no one comes here, gym? That's what a gym is. Like, this is like the, the, the known pickpocketer. I don't.

understand what some people's heads. Like, you have a gym. People go to the gym. There's a woman who clearly wanted to lose weight and work out. So she went to, you know, where? Your gym. And by the way, she's such a good body now. Now she's such a good body. So then, of course, you know, Tamara's like, you know, Tamara had a glow up too. So now, so so did this girl, you know. She got out of a sad marriage and started going to the gym. So of course she's, of course she filled her face and, you know, got a tummy tuck and lost weight. And she's working out eight hours. a day. So of course, and she, you know, had a body that could easily get better and like, whatever. She wasn't even fat in the photo. She was not. She was not. She was not. No, she's

just an unflattering, like, puppy blouse. This is the shit talking behind the back drama we want. The simple, I talk shit about you and then you found out. And that's what I like. You're right. I like, can I just, can I ask you which fat photo it was? Like literally, let me see the photo. They're like, what do you, I never said roofied. I remember, well, if we're getting things off our chest, can you tell me. what fat photo were we all in together and was I on the end or in the middle like it was just like this I just don't care yeah and then I love that because then Tamara was like you know got was three shoots to win and then and Gina's like uh let's just be honest you're one eye open you're absolutely smashed and then she's like what are you talking about but I'm drinking water I'm drinking water and this is bullshit people are like and so Oh, good. You know what you did.

Yeah. You know what you are. Yeah. And then earlier in the day, earlier the day, she had said to Shannon when Shannon's like, you have humiliated me. You brought up my DUI 25 times and everything. And she goes, yeah, and that's why you'll never see me drunk again. Cut two, three hours later.

Yeah, exactly. Walking into her room. Right. She's like, wait, you just, you let me brush your hair. Yeah. And then Shannon, also hates Katie because she found out that Katie, when she was having her one of Shannon Madore Spazas, that like Katie was like, fill me it and sent it to Alexis Bolino who's now

getting married to Johnny Jay, her ex-boyfriend, and probably just to again, bring a treat, make a friend. Look at the juice I have for you. Whatever. Still not cool. So Shannon goes, Gretchen, why do you want to be friends with someone who? would do something illegal. Filming me is illegal. And then Gretchen goes, well, with all due respect, getting a DUI and crashing into a house happens to be illegal too and I'm friends with you.

So good. Everyone was like, da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. Dection got her contract. So much. It's so good. It was, that was like one of should be one of the top 10 biggest mic drops in all of Hubs vibes franchise history. Yeah.

Because Shannon is on one. And she's like, oh. She kept saying. And she said, doing like bits like every time she could probably be ready to go out and then there's like okay hey uh hey shannon we're coming with uh Tamara you're going to finish getting ready with her and then you're going to talk about it's like okay hold on what hello i can't get ready i'm shan at stormed but no like just fucking like you're 60 like

you know what you're doing like this shtick is getting so fucking old that she's like you got to comb your hair and she picked up hair off the table oh like you know. I'm going to comb it. Yeah. Here it is. Like, what are you doing? So then over the weekend, Tamara writes this thing, because then Tamara quits. You're never going to see my face again. And she says, I'm going to quit because Teddy is, has a health scare and she's my podcast partner. And therefore, if you're not going to give me a grace for being an asshole and because I was maybe on the spectrum last week, if you're not going to give me grace for being on an asshole for being an asshole and you didn't give me grace, you know, like if you're not getting me, then I'm going to

leave. So she quits. And then she, Tamara takes a clip of this week's episode and the girls, I guess, are talking about, we can't believe she left, you know, like what is she doing? Again, it is a show. It's like if we're all working in the factory and then one person just left on a Wednesday and we have to meet that until Friday, we're like, we didn't want to go to New Orleans anyway. Why do we leave beautiful Newport Beach? New Orleans looks like shit. Can I just say, that. I'm sorry, New Orleans. But the, the river they went on was shit brown. It was gray. It was gloomy. And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure it's fun. But I was just, I was just kind of like, maybe they were like, you have to be there. It's 100% the age old thing and it happens on Atlanta,

everyone, where, you know, Kim leaves and they're like, no one wants to do the cast trip. And Kim's Olseyette refuses to go. Yeah. And they're all pissed. It's like, we have to work, you have to work. We're sick of your shit. All right. And now this is going to be a whole weird thing because she posted it on Instagram so it's like now you're fucking with storyline and everything now this will be old news when the show airs and it was all of it so then we all remember that it was you like you said Heather the week before she was on the spectrum yeah and it blew up the internet yeah that she had been diagnosed with you know whatever autism or whatever and by her therapist everyone turned on her so she really was going through it she but then she quit the show and that was all the news too

i feel like Tamara should not go to Vegas because she has been betting horribly. She thought that the autism thing would work. She thought that everyone would hate Shannon Storms-Badour for getting a DUI, and they did not. Because the audience was like, oh my God, a woman who has a boyfriend, leave her for a younger woman, and drinks too much and drove into a house, that's our girl. That's our girl. Like they did not care. They were like, no, we feel sorry for her. That's our girl. We don't care. So she was like, oh, that didn't work. Then she's going to gamble on, then she's going to gamble on, you know, the next thing, which is, you know, she's hinting at, which I, we know, there's a thing that's coming at the end.

Okay. She's hinting at. That's another thing like, ooh, you know, then they're going to hate, they're going to hate Gretchen for this or whatever. And she's just too good of a villain. And she's a fantastic bravo villain. But I don't think it's going to work. work out in her favor is my prediction but anyway. Do you think she's not going to be on next season? No, no, I don't, I just don't think the audience. No, I don't think anyone's going to get rid of anybody, but I just could. Oh, good. Well, she's a great villain. She thinks like the audience is going to be on her side. It's like, I just don't think it's going to happen. But anyway, so

then. She even said, watch her face had hot dog lips and even Heather was like, remember, she said, showed her the picture. Yeah. And then Heather Dubrow's like, right. Yeah. She doesn't look like that. And then she's like, and she has the hot dog lips. And then Heather's And it's like, that's fine. Yeah, she's at that time. Like, she's not going to get, she's not going to get, she's going to stay the villain. That's what we want from her. Yeah.

Yeah. She just needs to lean in and keep doing it. Yeah. And just no one should trust her when she's like crying and says, I want to be your friend. Like just don't. Okay. No. So then it says, God forbid you guys ever, you know, deal with pain and depression.

It was dealing. They wonder why I left. Maybe I should have gotten a DUI to feel compassion. That's what she posts. Oh. Like just this weekend. So then Greta. takes that and said, I woke up getting sent this post. Tamara did. And I have to say it rubbed me

the wrong way. And then she writes her thoughts. Yes, Tamara, I have actually dealt with pain and depression. You are talking about it and it was horrible. Remember my fiance actually died and Slade's son actually died from cancer, but you had not one ounce of grace for us. Instead, you spend lies about Jeff and I and plotted with the guy who I took to court and now I have seven counts against, which is all true. And over a million dollar judgment against to cause me pain and suffering during that time. And then you went on your podcast and made false statements about Slade and I and his son and spun lies about us again with no remorse. Like you always do. You never gave us grace and you never made and you gave your bestie Shannon. And you never gave

your bestie Shannon grace. The trace, me, guys, when she was going through the worst time in her life. Instead, you buddied up to Alexis and called Shannon every name in the book last year and then blamed your bad behavior on being on the spectrum. Yeah, well, if what you're saying is true, yeah, she's fine. The audience, the audience is going to watch the show. I wish it would be more, like, I wish there could be some fun and juice. I like the fat photo. I think I love the Gretchen DUI moment. There needs to be more of that, but it's all about leading up to Katie has to take a lie detector test. Oh, my God. Well, all I can say is I hope it's Vicki Gundelson who's giving the test. I want her to be a light

She could get her lie detector And then can she sit down And really can we find out the truth Of when she discovered Brooks didn't really have cancer Brooks is right for me I'm not a con woman My man I've never been with multiple people in my life

Multiple partners Honestly Julie and I are going to go to her For life insurance He's really discussed it Well at cut out insurance My son Michael can send you up with a great Okay and you're watching Miami I just interviewed Stephanie the new girl

that'll be Tuesday's episode and really juicy again even if you're not watching it it's just like her life story is very interesting and I'm excited to hear what you guys think of it but what do you think of the season I'm I mean it's did you get a pass for us on her private jet yeah I will say this I mean she's anyone who comes in hot and tries to spice it up like to be like what's the word like when you're she goes right to to go right to alexia and call her like a narcissist or whatever and just it just takes a lot of balls and a lot of like no she didn't call her narcissist she called her she called her something she said that um she says she's a chihuahua or pit bull or something no she first called her a chow no they were calling each other things in the end i think

they're like fine i think the main one was the other chick where she's like, why are you late? You made us all wait. Oh, God. Lisa. Lisa. Lisa. That was good.

She's just holding back at all. She's, it's like she walked into, it's, it's the, it's the, she gives me the feeling of when I have the feeling normally in everyday life with people that I know, there's a lot of grace and forget, there's just a lot of patience and kindness with people who like run, do weird things with part in parking lots or bitchy for a second. I'll just be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? She's like that. She's like coming in with no shits or cares as if these people are strangers, but they're

on a show and they're actually your cast members. It's like, and I find it delightful. I find it completely entertaining. When you guys hear the interview, it's very understandable where she's coming from. Yeah. It's not like a thirsty, like I planned this out. I'm producing. It's like actually who she is.

I love what. who she is and why she acts that way it makes so much sense marisol's like yeah monkey she's always late nobody tells her she's like well that's rude it was that scene was so good i thought and i'm just like wow yeah it is rude it's crazy rude yeah and it's great and just like i'm fighting they said so anyway they said the the reunion is going to be off the hook and um it's it's all good Tom sandoval uh is you know, with his cover band and he is on for the second time on America's Got

Talent and I'm going to just play some of it for you. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. oh no it's a hard it is very hard

song to sing I'm always thinking here um hether would you do it hether because we've seen you sing many a night my lady my friend I said, karaoke singing, band singing is so much harder than you think as far as like the amount of energy and calories that you burn. But, you know, I, first of all, I think it was brilliant to have the gong show, what's it called?

America's Got Talent. Oh, yeah. Exactly. I mean to have America's got talent on it. There's a big connection, you know, Howie Mandel's. daughter's husband, I think, is one of the people in the band. I mean, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, on the show. I was on a bus in Africa, okay, in Africa.

Yeah. In the African planes. And guess what I was doing? I was listening to the Howie Mandel, Tom Sandival interview. Like, Julie was like looking like, do we see? And I'm like, hold on. I got to listen to this. Like, there's definitely a thing with that.

I think it's brilliant, too. I think it's brilliant. I'm like, I haven't watched that show in years. Yeah. and you know and he's like this is a story of redemption tom you know everyone was nice but uh simon he's just like simon said i'm sorry just the vocals were not good it did not sound good and then tom said um well you know whatever somebody always has you know something wasn't working with the ear or whatever right and then and then someone on the on the panel was like stop it like you cannot

complain and he's like no no but i had a great time in a great time and then like melby is like, oh, I loved it. You had energy. And if I hadn't already gotten married, I'd have using up my wedding. And then Howard Mandela was like, yeah, I think a lot of people will hire you for a wedding. Or maybe Mel B, maybe if you have another party, you could hire him. I'm like, wait, this is so sad. Oh, my God. Because I'm actually insulting. Like, I was like, okay, um, this is what's happening. It was banned. And I'm, of course, this is all good to keep it going. And completely good. I don't know how, like I said, how long people will be going to see the cover band i feel like we've seen it it's the same kind of songs i've seen so many

clips of it but like hey you know i think he at least he's like working and getting out there's you know there's four jobs you can have when you stop being a reality star okay realtor okay podcaster singer singer you know luann like you sing Heidi montag yes and then um Hucker. Only fans, I guess. Prostitute. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and only fans.

And then those, possibly life coach. I'm sure that's around the corner. Like coach. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Well, you know, Countess Luanne has made herself quite a little, quite a little industry.

Like, a little industry. And he could do it. The band, the band is really good. He is, he's got the, he's got the fame of the show. He's got the entire reality audience. And he is good. He is. good. He is good enough. I just think he chose that song for publicity. Yes. Because you know, Heather,

you are peak karaoke performer, even to the point where you're like, listen, you guys, karaoke's boring. Let's go. I'm going to sing one time and then we're going to leave. Right. And then you sing one song, we all, and then we leave. Like, you know that was the wrong song choice for him. Yeah. He knew it has been everywhere. Right. You know what I mean? The clips. And I'm like, he is so, so, so shrewd. Yeah. And this is such a great move. And it's like, there's no way he would have chosen that. And he actually does have a good falsetto. But you can't sing the weekend. That's like singing Michael Jackson. Yeah. And I think also, I mean, I'm sure they helped to choose it. And also it's like, let's do a song that you had that we haven't seen night the Schwartzies girl or Swartz's mom or

Jesse's girl or whatever. There's ones that we've all seen the clips for three years. I mean, he's been doing it. He was doing it before Scandival struck. So, You know, good for everybody involved. Yeah, good luck to. I hope they succeed. This, since you guys are such travelers, this happened. So this woman realized that these girls must have taken her purse outside of her backpack in Italy. Oh, I saw this.

And I think it was Italy. Unbelievable. And she went and caught the girl, why the ponytail. And people filmed her. And she's like, let me, you know, you have to let me go. And she was like, no, give me back my passport. You took my passport. Give me back my passport.

And they go like, stop that. And she's like, and they call her like the Karen. But now they're like, which is I always said, Karen, you need a Karen. And I think Karen's are coming back in fashion. And she held her and she was like, you don't scare me. I've got eight kids. Give me back my passport. The daughter then, her daughter told the whole story.

And basically they did get the passport back. It was a long, convoluted story of what they had to go through. The good news was their Airbnb host was delightful. A lady out of jewelry store gave her a free necklace. They, the one of the girls that didn't get caught but like dropped it off at an airport, like through the purse at like an airport and was just like leave me alone. It just really made me go, I don't think I want, like, I would make, that just makes me go, oh my God, I don't want to travel.

When I was in Europe last summer, I mean, I would have my purse. On the front. On the front. And I would hold it. And I would hold it. But nobody even came close. But I was so paranoid because once you are going to Europe, then the, you know, then your algorithm of Instagram and TikTok, all they do is send you videos of people getting pickpocked.

Like fearmongering. And how not to be pickpocketed. Yeah. Well, this is my dream. Are you kidding me? I'm going to put a, what is it? What was in it? The tag?

I will say. I'm putting air tags in everything. Yeah, that's how she did get it. was the air tag. They followed. No, not airtight. They had the in the purse

with the passport was her air pods. Oh, her air pods. Oh, she could find to track the air pods and found them up. She was still grabbing this girl by the ponytail. I will. Are you, that's what I'm saying.

And all I can think of you guys and leave this in, Drake. Kelly Dodd. That's all I can think of. I was like, oh, she's literally holding this girl. Like, I have eight kids.

You took my purse and my passport. I love it. But it was an accomplice. Yes. I agree. So it's already gone. Yeah. Now you're just assaulting someone, which is fine.

You know what? But you don't get the thing back right then. Right. But I do. And they were like, for known pickpocketers. I'm like, if they're known, how are they still walking around? Like, what is going on in Italy? Who's a known pickpocketer?

Like, how are you known by that? It's on the resume. They're on. They're on, LinkedIn. Yeah. Are you in your, what are you? Well-known influence pocketer.

pocketer. I mean, I would, the level I'm spoiling for an altercation like that, I can't even tell you. Julia's lost her passport many times and we've told us on here before. We're not going to do it again. Yes. We should have an incident in Spain where of course I'm much too drunk during the day. Yeah. And in Barcelona and Barcelona gets way ham. Like that is that is a tourist. It's a lot like this is probably Rome or. Yeah. And we're sitting there. We're just like fucking eating weird. You're tapas or whatever the hell we're doing. This stupid Barcelona. I don't even like Barcelona. And we're there. And we have our rolling bags. Like we're, because we can't get on. We have all of our bags.

And these guys like start to take our rolling bags like from the table next to us, like behind us. Yeah. So all and we're just not paying attention. And all of a sudden they have our bags like. Over there. They have them. And what'd you do?

We attack them. Yeah. We attack them in the street. And they're like, come on, lady. No, no, no. I just want a light. And I'm like, we're yelling at these men. We're getting in a...

Get the fuck away from here. I will fucking kill you. Like, and that's when I'm alive, Drake. That's when I come alive. Okay? It's my, it's actually my sweet spot. And I'm like, I don't know what you think you're fucking talking to. Like, I'm just like...

And then we just want to light and we're like, get a fucking out of us. Oh, they were acting like they weren't trying to steal your suitcases. Yeah. They just wanted a lighter. But they had our full suit. Like they had, and we're drunk and they just rolled them or like, what is this? This is like not even good. We're eating the tapas. But it would be funny if they just wanted a light. And we were like, get the fun. I did it. Oh my God. Well, good for this woman. It's intense. Good for her.

Also, here's another funny thing I saw from Desperate Housewives. Yeah. This actress was had with some actress on it or whatever. And she was like, well, I thought that all the actresses on Desperate Housewives. She was like a guest star. I don't even know who she was, Catherine Juisted. She's like, they acted like spoiled brats. They had, each had their trailers, and they each got $10,000 to decorate it the way they, the way they wanted. Can you imagine? Yeah.

I can imagine. It was the hit fucking show of the century. Yeah. Like, and they're there 17,000 hours a day. And I'm like, who's ever watching this TikTok going to think, wow, that's not fair? Yes, it is. You're the guest star. They're the stars.

Shut up, you old bitter bitch. All right. 100%. Brandy Glanville has said that she has spent over $130,000 trying to find the parasite in her face that's moving around. But she did put Nair on her face, right? And Julie never saw the Nair. Yeah.

She burned her face with Nair. I mean, I know from a psychiatrist that they think it's something else. and um is that dr drew maybe and then um it's pretty much it's like you know and and do you remember from early on in that real housewife when she would get nervous and lisa vener would be like stop picking out your face when they were friends like she would get you know like nervous and then like pick at her face and stuff so i don't know because it's crazy that they haven't been able to figure it out and it's really sad or have they i do think it's sad. Yeah. Is it possible that... You don't think it's sad. I do. Yeah, it is sad. I do. And I,

she's always been very nice to us. And she's so thin and stuff that I'm like, I don't, I don't know that like, that, you know, plastic surgery can even fix this at this time. Dr. Tara can fix it. Tara can fix anything. Dr. Terry? Dr. Terry. Oh, Terry. Terry DeRoe. I mean, I don't know why she's not going immediately to tear. She's, you know what? She went, apparently he was going to help her and she went there. And then there was just nothing to talk. about after like they just dropped it so i don't know if he was like i don't want her as a patient or she didn't like what he had to say or neither of them are talking about each other anymore but the whole thing was she was supposed to go there oh you know it's sad and it sucks and i do think that

what went through she went through with bravo you know it was an unfortunate super unfortunate situation with that thing with caroline i mean honestly i truly do like um think that that sucks like she does she was working constantly she was on every reality show like weird dating shows traitor you know what I mean and then just now she's been blackballed and then she just said she's got just bills bills bills yeah I'm sure mental health this is really it sucks and we should you know we don't want I don't know like it's very weird and sad and it's again just like yeah you you got to have your shit together you got to know that this is not going to last forever you have to she's two beautiful sexy sons yeah you know what I

mean and fuck bravo just get it back get it together brandy bravo's not the end all be all get your shit back together you know what i mean just you can do it you can do it you can do last thing is the the sale on the luxurious housewife's crew crews which was originally from new jersey delores teresa and jennifer aiden jennifer aiding got kicked off because she was rude to the jersey mike person at the uh airport and then they replaced her with shanabodd her with shanabod Can't have a door. We're going to soar. We're going to soar the sales. And anyway, it was canceled. Now, we don't know. This is from Bravo Snarkside. Let me know this. And we don't know if it was canceled because there's rumors that New Jersey's coming back to film. And maybe they're not available. Or if it was just poor ticket sales or whatever. There is speculation that is bad sales. I would love if Jersey was coming back. Yeah. So who knows. But there you guys. Do you want to go on wives on the waves, Drake?

I mean, wives on the waves. Come on, just three wives. On the waves. None of them were married. Earl and Phil. Girls, you're back. Tell everybody how they can get more brainy jolly in their life because everyone just enjoys your dynamic so much.

Well, they should go. We have our podcast, dumb gay podcast, which is right now we're hitting it hard with politics, but we're trying to do it. you know, in the most fun way possible is all I can say. We just hate podcasting now, Heather. You know what I mean? Just we had to have a meeting with podcast

one and it was just totally debilitating. You know, you know what it is. And I was like, you know, it's just one of those things. And for more behind the scenes of why you hate podcasting, how can they get a hold of your Patreon? Yeah, exactly. We do tell it on Patreon.

You can go to julianbrandy.com and get a link to the Patreon there. Just Google Julie Brandy Patreon. We tell all the... We don't do any politics there, but we do a ton of... We did all of our travel vlogging. We did so many podcasts. So many funny, funny things. Like, and...

They went to The Shining Hotel and, like, talked all about it. That was hilarious. Oh, that's nice. And you have been there, Heather. I have been there. Yeah. Drake doesn't even know that about his mom. The movie The Shining was based on an actual hotel in.

Colorado, Denver, or whatever it is, around there. And we went during the summer because we were doing like a family reunion or something nearby. And we did see a really creepy guy looking into our bedroom when Shannon and I were like 18 and 20 or something getting dressed. And I remember my mom ran to the front of the desk and she's like, this man is ogling my gorgeous daughters. I'm like, I don't know if we're gorgeous, but like, you know. It's true. Every time I watch Dateline, I just think, how many times did Heather almost get date lined? Living in Southern California, a teen, like, during the prime serial killer. No, I like to say, fancy myself as the female Forrest Gump of the 90s in L.A. where like I went on a date with

Vince Fawn. I made out with Cato Caelin. I lived a lot across the street from the OJ murder scene. What about the limo? Jason Bateman. I was in a limo with Jason Bateman. It's amazing. And survived it all, lived to tell the tale. We really have gotten really a little too deep into the dateline into like the true crime situation.

Cool. So it's just been a little also debilitating. Anyway, but you know. Go to our Patreon. Thank you. Thank you. And everything for me is at Heather McDollin.com. Love you guys so much.

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