Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Britney Spears, OJ Confession and Child Actors with Eden Sher

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Britney Spears declaring she is now only 5 years old has fans concerned. Recordings of OJ Simpson confessing to murder have been discovered by police. What do you do when your loved one doesn’t want... to be found? On RHOBH, is it for Kyle to still be corresponding with PK? Then I’m joined by actress, Eden Sher - best known as Sue Heck on hit sitcom “The Middle.” She shares how she got her acting start while attending her LA elementary school. Eden weighs in on the controversy surrounding child actors including her own odd experience on Zoey 101. We discuss how she went from staring on a sitcom for 8 years to not. It’s all in her hit one woman show, “I Was On A Sitcom”. Enjoy this juicy behind the scenes Hollywood interview. • Get an additional 20% OFF the @honeylove Holiday sale by going to https://honeylove.com/JUICY ! #honeylovepod • Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code JUICYSCOOP at https://irestorelaser.com/JUICYSCOOP ! #irestorepod • Start your free online visit today at https://forhers.com/JUICYSCOOP for your personalized weight loss treatment options. • Get 20% off + free shipping with the code JUICYSCOOP at https://manscaped.com  Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald on iTunes, the podcast app, and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPodApple  https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:06 Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales, her real life Mr. Sang with serial data and serial system. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life, Mr. Sang with serial data and serial system. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Woo woo. Hannah McDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. All right, let's get into it. Lots of hot topics and updates and then a real fun interview. So people are concerned. TMZ is saying people are concerned.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Of course, Britney Spears doesn't have comments. She hasn't for a long time on her posts, but it was her birthday and she was talking, and it was weird. Now it could be a joke. She's turning 42. And she says, I'm not 42. I'm actually five now and I'm going to kindergarten.
Starting point is 00:03:09 And look at my friend gave me this cute little cupcake. And then she went on to say, I don't know why the paparazzi had me going on a plane holding a torch. I was not holding a torch. So then I'm like, what is this about? So I look and it shows her going on a plane and she was like a weird, like a bandana mask on her mouth and then she's holding like a
Starting point is 00:03:29 grill lighter like how you'd hold like a lighter for like a fire pit or whatever and she's going on a plane and so people were like usually those things aren't allowed on planes so I don't know why she was holding it but she was and hopefully they didn't let her light it on or whatever. If it's a private plane, they're probably like, hey, we need to take that from you. I don't know. She seems to be in Mexico and she's continuing to spin around and dance. And here's the thing with what I've been saying for a while. So what? This is her life. This is what she likes to do. This is how she likes to be creative and whether she thinks she's five or not. This is how she likes to be creative. And
Starting point is 00:04:05 whether she thinks she's five or not, she still doesn't need to be in any kind of conservative ship. Hopefully, I imagine somebody still helping to make sure her electric bill is paid and that she always has, you know, enough money to carry out her life in her house. But other than that, I think she has a right to live and you have a right to follow her or not. Peacock has a three-part series documentary that I watched last night called Girls Gone Wild, The Untold Story. For some of you that are following me for a long time,
Starting point is 00:04:39 may know that I too did an interview with Joe Francis, who was the creator owner president of Girls Gone Wild. This was for a lot of people that are younger might go, what is the story? I'm not that interested. I don't know about it. I thought the documentary was really good. Having known him for many years, I have many thoughts about it. There was a lot of things that was left out that I find really interesting. And so I wanted to let you guys know if you're part of Patreon or part of the Apple subscription,
Starting point is 00:05:12 that will be what this Friday's episode is about because there's lots of juice in there that I'd like to share what happened after I did my interview and how it pertains to what's in the doc. So, you know, you might want to watch the doc before you listen or you can listen and then go watch the doc. It won't really matter. But I wanted to let you guys know that. So you go to HeatherMcDowell.net and you can join the Patreon or do the Apple subscription here and you'll get that episode. Very interesting thing. This is reported everywhere. TMZ is saying O.J. Simpson's
Starting point is 00:05:48 ex-bodyguard claims to have a murder confession recording. So the cops have revealed, police officers, that law enforcement in Bloomington, they have access to these thumb drives that it was part of another investigation where now this former bodyguard, I guess they either found it or he gave it to them. But allegedly on these thumbnails is OJ confessing to the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman and also allegedly there's a mention of some other person that was involved.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Wow, this is really juicy. Most of us believe he was responsible. But just like the John Bonet situation, which we don't know at all, for sure who did it, you always wonder was there somebody else involved in this, you know, with O.J.? When he wrote the book, If I Did It, it was very strange and he made it, and it was basically a friend was with me. A lot of people interpreted that as that was his second psychosis, like second personality that did it. Other people wondered, was it was his older son ever involved?
Starting point is 00:07:16 That was another conspiracy theory. So I don't know. But this is very interesting. I'm assuming whoever this bodyguard is has something to do with whatever other case maybe he would maybe this is helping his situation be like, hey, I know you you're looking at me for this one other crime, but will you take some piece because here are these tapes. The guy is dead now, but I'm telling you I have this these thumb drives I've saved all this time.
Starting point is 00:07:43 I don't know. I'm very curious to see how this turns out. Also, another case, the Menendez brothers. Our new DA has said that he's going to be looking at all the things that we've discussed of what might change. There was hope that there would be something that would happen. They'd be out for Christmas. Now he's saying by January 30th is when there'll be something that would happen. They'd be out for Christmas. Now he's saying by January 30th is when there'll be some type of a decision of resentencing, which could result in them being released,
Starting point is 00:08:14 changing it to manslaughter, which means that the time would have been almost served since they've done 35 years, or some type of retrial or whatever. But we won't know until January 30th. But one thing that he said that was really great, our new DA is that he's like, look, this got a lot of media attention
Starting point is 00:08:33 and I think that's good. But I also wanna say that I will be looking at similar type cases that need to be re-looked at that didn't have this media attention. This is not gonna jump to the front of the line just because you enjoyed a Netflix documentary or scripted show about it. But it was really good. He goes, but also that's good because take this time to like be interested
Starting point is 00:08:59 in other cases that maybe don't have such high profile, that maybe need to be re-looked at, re-examined, Innocence Project, that kind of stuff. So I thought that was really cool. Okay, this story is so sad and strange. This is a story of Hannah, who was the young woman who came from Hawaii to LAX, and then she and her boyfriend
Starting point is 00:09:25 were supposed to get on another plane and go to New York. They were no longer together. They were broken up, but somehow they were traveling together. He went on to New York and she never got on the plane. He has cooperated with police. She sent strange texts from her phone saying someone's trying to take my identity and this and that,
Starting point is 00:09:46 but she was caught on surveillance for several days after that and then nothing passed November 11th. Well, then unfortunately the dad came from Hawaii looking for her and they have declared that he ended his life. It sounded like he jumped from the parking structure in the LAX. Allegedly, the thought is, so distraught, where is my daughter? Is she being trafficked? Whatever. Now the police are saying they have surveillance of her and records of her entering Mexico, on foot, by herself, looking unharmed, undistressed. And so now it is changing to a voluntary missing persons case. There also has been reports that this is not the first time that she's done something like
Starting point is 00:10:35 this. Very hard, very strange, awful for the family. Why she doesn't know that people are looking for her, does she know this happened to her dad? But the point is there's really nothing more that the police can do at this point. So wanted to give a followup on that. Khloe Kardashian, let me tell you something.
Starting point is 00:10:58 She looks great. She's in this bustle cover shoot, but the ass is gone, you guys. The Kardashian ass era is behind us, no pun intended. And I could not be more thrilled. As you know, I don't have a great ass, but I don't have to look at it. So I was always like, when is this gonna go away?
Starting point is 00:11:23 People would say, Heather, why don't you get ass fillers? Why don't you get a BBL? I can't believe that you're making us suffer walking behind you. And now it's out of style, okay? Literally in this photo shoot, she's covering it and even the little bit that we see is not huge. Kim's ass has gone down too.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Anyway, in this article she talks about weight and whatever, but I just thought that was interesting. One thing she said was she had a therapist that she shared something very intimate with when she was going through her struggles with her first husband Lamar. Oh, I guess that's her only husband, Lamar. And something came out in the tabloids and she knew there's no way, I guess that's her only husband Lamar. And it something came out in the tabloids. And she knew there's no way I literally told no one else in the world this information. I'm leaving therapy and I'm going to the gym. And that's how she got so fit. And she's like, I wish Ozempic was around back when I was struggling. And I called myself the funny fat sister, but it wasn't and I've just been on a workout journey
Starting point is 00:12:26 for a long time. And she really has, she's been this size for like at least, you know, around this size for at least 10 years and she looks great. And so that was interesting. Speaking of people who look great, people were always obsessed with Donatella Versace's weird plastic surgery face.
Starting point is 00:12:47 And people would be like, oh my God, what did she do to herself? She looked like a muppet. She's like very strange. Well, it's amazing what plastic surgery has emerged to. And this is the golden era of plastic surgery. My God, she looks so good. She got rid of that skin tight ponytail. She has like a normal facelift. She has eyebrows. She looks amazing. She looks
Starting point is 00:13:14 so good. People save your money because plastic surgery is only getting better. And if that's something that you want to do, it's your choice to do it. And, you know, the point is everyone needs to be happy. Because Matt Reif, you know, one of our top comedians says, I never got plastic surgery. I was a late bloomer. I was a late bloomer because when people put his early photographs of him together to now. He didn't have this like chiseled jaw line looking like a very good looking model face. Again, we're never gonna know for sure and who cares. You know what, either go and watch a standup or not. Like, there you go.
Starting point is 00:14:01 But he is saying, no, I did not have anything done. Meanwhile, Pamela Anderson is still on her journey of going to red carpets with her perfect body and no makeup and not even like a blowout. Like literally she took a shower, let her hair dry naturally and just like put on her dress and went. Like maybe she put on some body lotion, but maybe she didn't. I don't know. She still looks great.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Well, when you're that perfect looking, good for her. But I'm kind of curious, will she keep this up forever? Or does she know this is just such a great kind of PR marketing? I love it. Again, I think you should be any size you want. You want to get plastic surgery. You want to, you know, wear a wig. You want to change your teeth. You want to not do any of that bullshit. You want to shave your head, whatever. Like, I think this is a great era of time, but you know, she is
Starting point is 00:15:02 like naturally has the most perfect face. So she's still killing it, kind of jealous. This was kind of interesting. JFK's grandson, okay? So this is JFK Jr's nephew. He did a little thirst trap and he's good looking. He's Caroline, his sister's son. And he did a thirst trap because he broke up with somebody. But in this photo, he has the phone
Starting point is 00:15:29 and it's kind of covering his face. And he has a good body, he's thin, and he's worked out. And he has this beanie on. And with the phone in the selfie kind of covering his face, he really does look like JFK Jr. Back in the day when JFK Jr. used to ride his bike around the streets of New York shirtless with just a beret on.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Now, you know, that's one of those weird things where it's like your memory, you know how people talk about how like, does the little guy in the Monopoly have a monocle or not? And everyone's like, no, he does. And then you really look at the Monopoly and he doesn't. I don't know if he was, there were just a lot of photos of JFK Jr. in a beret and a lot of him shirtless.
Starting point is 00:16:09 So it doesn't really make sense that he'd have a beret, but maybe like a knit beanie, I don't know. But this was, this is why they chose, I know whoever put this article together at People is probably from my era and like remembers being like so hot for JFK Jr. and seeing the resemblance. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Some interesting things have come out. Jennifer Tilly, who is an actress, voiceover actress, everything, is on the show. And she revealed that she is so freaking wealthy. This is the best story ever. Not only is she an actress, but we know actress don't make that much money,
Starting point is 00:16:45 but she was married married to the Simpson co-creator Sam Simon. And they she divorced him in 1991. But in the divorce, she got a portion, a percentage of the Simpsons. Now in 1991, when they got divorced, who would have known the show was probably just a couple years out, that it would be what it is still going on. And he did pass in 2015, but she is still making bank. Now that is the way you get divorced.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Some of these housewives that I've talked about, oh, I'll take this settlement, 1.4. Sometimes that's your only choice or whatever million. And people go, wow, that's a lot of money. Yeah, but then it ends. Then it stops. If there is some business, you never know if you have, if there's some business that you were around for that either his or your husband did, or maybe you were part of or whatever, that you can try to get a percentage of that. Vice versa, same with the man. Your partner, you have got to be smart about that,
Starting point is 00:17:55 because, wow, what a genius move. And now she's on The Housewives, she's being funny, she's got nothing to lose, she's single, I assume she's single, she doesn't have to worry about ending a marriage or dragging some crotchety husband that doesn't want to be there. She has money, she can have fun, and she's probably like, fuck it, yeah, I'll do this stupid reality show, what the fuck do I have to lose? If you don't want me next year, if I don't want to do it next year, who cares?
Starting point is 00:18:23 That is who we want. Genius. Also, this was interesting. This comes from face reality 16, an Instagram account that I really like. So Kyle and Dorit are having issues. And Kyle mentions, oh yeah, PK, Dorit's a strange husband, they're separate now. And I still send funny memes and things to each other. And the question was, since we're keeping score, this seems worse than a teddy thing. Someone said this. Yeah, I truly believe that when a couple breaks up, especially any couple, any couple, heterosexual, gay,
Starting point is 00:19:06 whoever you're the closest person to, whoever your relationship is stronger with, but especially if it's heterosexual. I think you got it. You don't have to be rude, but you don't continue to correspond with the soon to be ex. You don't go, let's go have dinner with you and your new girlfriend. Why? What does it matter? No, you got to show some loyalty.
Starting point is 00:19:31 And if maybe he was sending you funny things, I would even just stop like responding. Like it's over. Like you're, you and my friend are separated until you work out your shit. We're not going to talk. We're not going to correspond, you know. So again, team to read on all of this. This was really interesting. This is coming from also friend of the show, your moms are watching. So this Instagram account. Kyle is reading this book, Kyle Richards is reading a book which is Moon Zappa's book about, it was her memoir. Moon Zappa was the original Valley Girl.
Starting point is 00:20:09 She wrote the song and performed it at 13. She's a Valley Girl. Like, ooh, oh my God. And it, let me tell you, Valley Girl came out, my sister and I went to Hawaii for Christmas, the one and only time we went to Hawaii with my parents. And when we said we were from the Valley, it was like we were rock stars for the first time ever. Everybody was like, do you know Valley girls? Do you go to the Galleria? Yeah, we do. Anyway, she sees that she's reading the book in one of the scenes. She looks up the book and sees
Starting point is 00:20:38 that she believes that a character named L was actually Kyle Richards, which makes sense because Moon Yoon Zapa, who was a daughter of a rock star, was living among the Richards sisters and everything. So it totally makes sense. And she said Elle looks just like a miniature Brooke Shields. And there's more descriptions in the book that makes pretty sure that the character of Elle in Moon, Eunice Zappa's book is Kyle Richards. And of course she probably heard about it and was like, I have to read this, this is amazing.
Starting point is 00:21:17 How fun would that be? It makes me really wanna read it now. So I'm sure somebody get it to me or I'm gonna ask her for it, maybe she has it. But, and I could see that with the thick eyebrows and the dark hair. Okay, last, one of the last things, the only fan's top earner, who is this cute brunette girl,
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Starting point is 00:27:58 So that's part of the thing she said they had no idea about. They never heard of the cheese, they didn't know about the cheese. Without her, they wouldn't know what to spread on this sandwich. I can't believe this is going to trial, but it is. And so that's kind of interesting. And then a lot of people are like, what is Tom Sandoval going to do? Is he going to continue with his cover band? What? Because he doesn't seem to that he filmed any of the valley like some of the other cast. Well, he is going to do trivia, Vanderpump trivia shows.
Starting point is 00:28:32 And I actually think that's a really great idea. A lot of people can answer a lot of the questions. How much nostalgia will there be in the upcoming years? Will it live on or just let me just, you know, jump on this now while it's still hot before everyone forgets. So kind of interesting. All right, you guys, now for my interview,
Starting point is 00:28:56 I'm really excited for you to hear it. Let's go. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have what I think is gonna be a very juicy interview and a fun one because I loved watching you. This is the star you're best known from the hit sitcom The Middle, but you've done so much. Eden Scherr, welcome to Juicy Scoop for the first time. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Somehow I started following you. I must have seen something funny that you did and saw that you were doing a one woman show about your life. I was on a sitcom. And so then we started to DM and I'm so glad that you came. I'm so glad that you started following me because then I was like, wait a second, I know her. I know Heather McDonald.
Starting point is 00:29:38 And then I started following you back and then yeah, you messaged me and I was like, I'll do your podcast. Yes, you're hilarious, of course. So I want to get into a little bit about your life. For those of you that don't know the show, The Middle, it was one of the funniest sitcoms. How many years did it go?
Starting point is 00:29:53 Eight? Nine. Nine years. And it was one of the shows that I did watch with my kids. You were just talking about our ages. You have identical twin girls who are three. And I was telling you how my kids are now 25, 22, and 18. But we loved the middle because it was so clever.
Starting point is 00:30:15 And I'm telling you, you guys should go back and watch it, especially if you have kids in that teenage age, because it was such a clever show. And it was so funny, the writing was so funny. And it was a sitcom, but it was such a clever show and it was so funny. The writing was so funny and it was a sitcom, but it was single camera, meaning you don't hear the laughter. It's for Trisha Heaton, who is the wife and everyone loves Raven, but a very,
Starting point is 00:30:36 like a very different character. Much funnier in this. I mean, I think she's like, she's a comedy god. She can, you know, she can do no wrong. But I, in rewatching it now, cause now I, everyone has, I have a podcast. I'm doing a rewatch podcast of the show. So you can watch along with me and Brock who played Brad.
Starting point is 00:30:57 But- Who was your boyfriend? Yeah. My boyfriend. My gay boyfriend. I was just saying, what's the funny, you guys did things that nobody had done yet that was so funny. So I mean, your character was kind of, can I say, dorky?
Starting point is 00:31:12 Of course you can. Please do. Are you kidding? Dorky, but so unaware that you're dorky, which I love, like super positive. Teenage daughter who is the middle of the three, older brother, who's kind of like, I mean, we died because the older brother reminded us of my son, Drake. And then you were just the girl that was just so,
Starting point is 00:31:32 and then the little brother was typical third little brother where like constantly, I remember there was one scene where they're like at the airport and she's just, what was the little brother's name? Brick. Brick. Where's Brick? Like constantly thinking like Brick is going to be lost or die or whatever. And just, so such distinct, I've never seen such funny distinct characters for the kids.
Starting point is 00:31:57 I completely- In any sitcom. I was so prepared to become a prop because that's like in Raymond. Like the kids are sort of, you know, they're there when they need to be there for a story. But I, so I was like, if I stay on the show for longer than, you know, a season, what a gift.
Starting point is 00:32:18 I thought I'd just become like sort of part of the fabric of the like, the house, but they really did. I was, I've talked about it with Brock all the time, like how they really, and maybe they sort of lucked out in having fully formed and comedic actors for all three kids. And so yeah, we got our own, we got storylines. We became part of the show, not in the kid prop genre.
Starting point is 00:32:43 You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I just, I loved the whole idea of the show was the middle. She's in the middle of the country. She's middle-aged, you know, she's middle-class. And like I said, it was just one of those shows, you know, where you just are like, wow, the writing's really great. It's lightning in a bottle
Starting point is 00:33:04 when you have all the great actors. Who's the guy that played the dad? Neil Flynn. Neil Flynn. He's so and he was so great. And I saw a clip of you guys interviewing him and you were asking him all these pop culture things and seeing what he knew and what he didn't. And it was just so genuine and just like raw fun.
Starting point is 00:33:24 And so I love that, do you keep in touch with all the people? Yeah, I'm still, I mean, my one woman show, Charlie, Charlie who played Axel, he and his wife directed it. Oh, that's the older brother. That's the older brother. He is still one of my best friends. Neil, like he was just on the podcast,
Starting point is 00:33:41 we have a very identical, like we have a on the podcast. We have a very identical, like we have a very similar relationship. Everything you see on screen is very similar to offscreen. Patti still texts, she still checks up on me. We still, she's all over the place. She's never, I feel like she's never in LA. I don't see her that much. She has a new show coming out, doesn't she?
Starting point is 00:34:00 Does she? I thought I read somewhere that she and Kelsey Grammer were doing something. She did a thing on Frasier. No, no, no. I think another thing is coming out. She can't stop. She cannot stop working.
Starting point is 00:34:12 This woman won't stop. She is a workhorse. I didn't know this, and I'm not surprised. Yeah. But no, I love Patty, and I love Neil, and they're my friends. So let's get a little bit into the, and then we'll go talk more about the show, because I could go on forever,
Starting point is 00:34:25 but for the people that don't know the show, I want this to be interesting. So you were born and raised in LA, so was I. You were? Yes. Oh, where are you from? Woodland Hills. Oh my God, Valley Girls also?
Starting point is 00:34:37 Yeah. Oh my God, I grew up in like Van Nuys, like Sherman Oaks, and then moved to Van Nuys. Yes. Lake Balboa. So, you know, I talk a lot about my life, but like we got an agent because the people next door had, their kids had an agent.
Starting point is 00:34:54 That's so funny. And then they were like, oh, you should meet our agent, which was this woman named Iris Burton, who's kind of famous. And there was a movie and Sharon Stone played her in this like, what was this movie? It was called like the, it was this crazy movie that came out maybe 10 years ago
Starting point is 00:35:13 about like the worst movie ever called The Room. Do you remember The Room? So Sharon, Sharon Stone played this, like her name was Iris Burton. She played this agent who was a child's agent, but she had some involvement in this weird movie that existed. And so she was just like this woman that was like, I need a set of twins.
Starting point is 00:35:37 And I remember I did an impression of her because then she started to represent my niece and nephew many years later. And it was like, I need a set of twins because they can work twice the amount of time and all this. So that was my situation. So how did you get into, and I was not a hit or anything. I was not, I didn't do anything as a kid. Are you a twin?
Starting point is 00:35:59 No, no, I had a sister. She, they did a little bit more commercials. My one sister did a lot of commercials. We were not that successful at it. I wasn't. But, and then I just, you know, then I pursued it as an adult. But I didn't have like a, like once we aged out of like this little age gap, they said, oh, now you've lost your teeth, goodbye. Like she never called us again. Then my mom was doing real estate and whatever we moved on. But you kind of have an interesting story of how you caught the bug in LA. So tell me that.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Yeah, I mean, I, my parents were not in the industry at all. My mom was a, yeah. Like, I mean, I feel like the Valley is also like a different place. The Valley is not like Hollywood. The Valley is super suburban. Like I never felt like I was in LA, except for the fact that I knew I was,
Starting point is 00:36:49 I was like, I was really precocious as a kid. Like, I liked, like, I'm a smart person, but like, I was a really smart kid, like child. I was like too, like everyone just caught up to me. Eventually. You mean studious? You were studious? Everything. I was like, I remember seeing my peers being like,
Starting point is 00:37:05 you are idiots. Like, I don't understand how you're not understanding what I'm understanding. And I think when you're like a little kid who understands the world, understands adults, and like can talk to adults well, there's just like a different, like a combination of understanding adults,
Starting point is 00:37:21 like being able to interact with adults, and also having just like too many feelings just huge huge over Overpowering feelings. I feel like when you find theater or acting when you find this concept of acting. It's like I Open it is world broadening and I feel like I found this pretty young and so and I watched like no shadeary Duff. What a lovely human. What a lovely human and so fun.
Starting point is 00:37:49 And like honestly, just a great, great talent actors, whatever, but I watched Lizzie McGuire and I was like, I could do that better. I was like, that's. That's so funny. There was some other actor that told me that, that it was something that they were, I can't remember who it was,
Starting point is 00:38:03 but that is a common theme that I've read where children, actors that are quite successful, it was the same thing that they were just home watching things and they're like, I could be that, I could do that better. That is so interesting, yeah. And well, I also think child actors, especially ones that are on sitcoms and stuff,
Starting point is 00:38:21 they are highly intelligent because they have to be in a room with adults, they have to be able to read or memorize very quickly. So, and very, you know, and be able to focus. And also, I think, so the one, you know, two commercials I got, one of the commercials was, you know, Marine Land, whatever, which was like a poor man's sea world.
Starting point is 00:38:44 And it was, it's now where that Terra Naya is in Palos Verdes, that hotel anyway. So it was there. And so we, I had to like, be like, look, and it was Shamu or some whale or whatever had a baby. And I was had to be like, look, there's the baby. And I'm so excited. My commercials coming. I'm finally had to be like look there's the baby and I'm so excited my commercials coming I'm finally gonna be like we're watching TV all the time and then we see the news thing saying that like Shamu freaked out and like killed her baby. Oh my god. So all my mom's like well your commercials not gonna be seen. Oh my god. My other sister was doing something else with the Dolphins so she's like will my commercial still be seen? I I was like, yes. And then we just watched my sister with the dolphins
Starting point is 00:39:28 and I'm like, me hanging on to this like hot guy. I'm like, this guy's my dad because my dad was 45 when he had me so he already had gray hair. He was fit. But they gave me this like 25 year old because I'm like five. And I'm like, I can't believe this guy's gonna read my dad. So anyway, I remember I had a, at one of these times or whatever, I had like a teacher for the day. It was a different commercial. And they were trying to teach me how to read time at school, like a clock.
Starting point is 00:40:00 And then I had a private tutor. And in one moment of like being with a one-on-one situation, she explained how to read a clock. And I was like, and then later on in life, I was like, oh my God, that's why Brooke Shields is going to Princeton. And that's why like these kids are so smart because they're not in regular school quite honestly. And they were probably really smart to even
Starting point is 00:40:26 get into acting as a kid. I feel like it's more like that's like a chicken or the egg. Yeah, they were probably smart to begin with. And then having that one-on-one attention like fosters that intelligence. But I will say, I went to public school. I wasn't homeschooled.
Starting point is 00:40:44 And I don't know. I was good at math and I could read a clock and whatever. I don't know. So like, I feel like- I could not read a clock. I can now. Now I'm like, what is it? Just give it to me in the numbers.
Starting point is 00:41:00 Just flat, I don't have the energy or the time. Yeah. You have to be, you have to have a certain, it's not even like, it's just a certain type of intelligence. I don't even know how to describe it. Cause like there are smart kids that exist that are not actors and don't wanna be actors. But there is, there's like something, like you said,
Starting point is 00:41:18 if you can memorize, it's also like, it's having this fire under you to like, maybe it's just the people pleasing part, but like, if you're good at something and then having the like key, something in your brain to be like, ooh, someone just said good job for something that wasn't very hard for me. So I'm just gonna keep doing that and I'm gonna keep doing it and doing it and doing it.
Starting point is 00:41:40 And also I was just like a vengeful little kid and so like I was made fun of and then I was sure. I was like, I'm gonna be successful. And everyone says I'm annoying, but I'm gonna make a career out of being annoying. And I did. It seems like every celebrity can access GLP ones and get skinny fast and easy, but now you can too.
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Starting point is 00:45:01 That's Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash juicy to get free shipping and 365 day returns, quince.com slash juicy. My sister, she had all the commercials, okay? And then these kids were like, we saw you on a bold three, which was like a deterring commercial. How much do you make? How much do you make?
Starting point is 00:45:19 And my sister goes, these kids are being mean. They keep saying, how much do I make? And my mom said, just turn around and say, a lot. Well, that was not good. That made her more hated than anybody. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, so how did you get started then?
Starting point is 00:45:36 Did you get an agent? Yeah. Because you had several gigs and guest spots and even a couple series before you got this. How old were you when you got the middle? I was 17 when I got the middle. So I was like five or six. I was actually a really shy kid.
Starting point is 00:45:50 I was really shy, but it was mostly because I was scared of having like feelings. And then when I was like, I think five or six, I realized, oh, I like this. I wanna like, I can do it better than Lizzie. Like I can do it. And I told, I begged my mom. I was like, please, can I have an agent? Cause mom, I was like, please can I have an agent?
Starting point is 00:46:05 Cause I knew, I was like, well we're in Los Angeles, we're in Los Angeles, California, like we're in Hollywood, I can have an agent, we can do it, we're in the, look mom, we're in the right spot at the right time. Like, a little dumb. But she was a good mom, and so she was like, no. She was like, not now, not. Are you an only child?
Starting point is 00:46:22 No, I have two brothers. Okay. We actually all, my older brother and I, both wanted to do it. And she made us both do theater. Like, school theater. And so we did theater in school. And then, and I've told this story before,
Starting point is 00:46:37 but it is how I got started and it's kind of nuts. So when I was like eight or nine, third or fourth grade, I think it was fourth grade, Jay Leno came to my school, did this like segment, did this like jaywalking segment, it was like kids say the darndest things type of thing where it was Halloween, and he was just asking kids about Halloween.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Just like, he was, it wasn't even funny. Like, or like, there was no comedy jokes, he was just asking straight up, and kids are very funny. And so like, my teacher, the producer of the segment told all the teachers for I think grades three, four, and five the ones that she was like, send your kids who are gonna be comfortable on camera. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:12 So they were like, her, Eden, just go, little ham, like go do what you wanna do. And I did and I was me and I was funny, unintentionally. Like I was just funny because I was, you know, whatever, smart, annoying, like annoying to other kids, but funny to adults. And I, they aired my segment, they aired my answers. And then my, then the producer of the segment reached out
Starting point is 00:47:38 to my mom personally. It was, they like singled me out. They were like, that girl. And they were like, is your daughter an actor actor would she be interested in having her own? segment on the Tonight Show My mom was like, oh boy, I was like I Must stop Yeah, and so I am so my brother also did I should out my brother did it with me
Starting point is 00:48:04 It was like an advice column thing. It was like, just add, like, if you got something. How many times did you guys do it? Okay, so we did it twice, but here's the thing. Like you said, how Shamu kills her baby. I did it, we recorded two segments, and then it was 9-11. And they just cut everything.
Starting point is 00:48:26 They were like, nope, we can't move on. We can't move on as a country. Like we don't know what to do. So we're not really, we don't really have the bandwidth to focus on this new, like. Okay, so then that was short-lived. Yes. That was short-lived. But it launched my confidence.
Starting point is 00:48:48 I was like, mom, I need an agent now. Like, do you see? Like, I told you, I can do this. And so then I think, and if I remember correctly, the cantor at my temple, are you Jewish? No, I'm Catholic. Yeah. So at our temple, the cantor, this is so LA,
Starting point is 00:49:05 the cantor's daughter did a voice on, do you know what that is, rocket power? Yeah, yeah. Did a voice on rocket power and so we went to her and we were like, who's your agent? And they got us, me and my brother, our first agents as kids. Yeah, that's the same thing like with us,
Starting point is 00:49:23 with the agents, with the people next door, whatever. And another story with the agent thing is she was interviewing a lot of people. We had to go to her house in Hollywood or whatever. And when we got there, she was seeing some other kids and she was like, it's not going to work out for you. She said it right to the mother, they don't have the look I'm looking for,
Starting point is 00:49:46 don't have her stay in school, do something. And then she says, and leave the light on for the McDonald's. We witnessed her be that rude to a mother and some other kids, and then my mom was like, okay, I guess our three girls were like, a little more happening to her eyes. But yes, I want to ask so many questions. But before
Starting point is 00:50:09 I forget, what did you Are you familiar with the book? I'm glad my mom died. Yes, I am. And what I mean, obviously, you didn't have that situation with your mom. Yes. And between that, just since we're talking about like child actors, between that and all like the Nickelodeon stuff and you know Amanda Bynes and things like that. As someone that did it successfully is happy, you have a relationship with your mother, nothing bad happened to you I assume. Like what is your feelings of that? And did you ever see anything weird or hear anything from other actors at the time?
Starting point is 00:50:49 For sure. For sure. I have a good friend who I'm not gonna... It's his story in Child Child, so I'm not gonna, like, say his name, but he... I've been friends with him for a while, and he had a lot of, a lot of negative. The parent-child relationship got super fucked up. The, like, agent-child relationship was bad.
Starting point is 00:51:07 And through his adult years a little bit, it followed. Because it just, you create... Was it a sexual thing or just him being adultified too much and having to support the family and so on? More that. More that. I think there was a minor, not explicit sexual element, but just not good. And I was talking to my mom recently
Starting point is 00:51:30 because she was watching the documentary, whatever, that I couldn't watch. I just, having lived, and like you said, I have no trauma in that way, in that specific way. I think inherently growing up, being a child in an adult environment is just inherently a little traumatizing. Like it's just not natural.
Starting point is 00:51:49 And so I have complexes and stuff, but nothing like that. I was not, I didn't, I never felt exploited in the way that I think a lot of child actors were, just were, period. And I think that is my mom. I think my mom was super, super protective, was really protective of me.
Starting point is 00:52:10 She also, I mean, and it's funny, cause she worked, and she never touched a dime. She never touched a single side. She didn't take even the 15 minute management, 15. She didn't even take money for gas. And we spent hours in the car, just like going over the hill, like third and La Brea. We constantly just like valley, cold water, canyon,
Starting point is 00:52:31 every single day doing my homework in the car. And she never ever took, she never took any money. It was always like, that's our, that's, she was like, if you're gonna do the work, like it's your money. And it is like, it's emotional labor. She saw it, I don't know, she just was, she was really great, but she worked, so she wasn't even always on set with me.
Starting point is 00:52:51 She had to pay for like a legal guardian to be there, but she was just, she was like the least involved and most involved. She stayed back when she knew she should, she didn't like meddle, but she also, I don't know if she was with me on the set of Zoe 101. I did an episode of Zoe 101, and that was weird. That was weird.
Starting point is 00:53:13 What was weird about that? It was just, you just felt the, what's his name? And this was with Jamie Lynn Spears, and she is going to like a Pepperdine or whatever high school. Yeah. And it was a is going to like a Pepperdine or whatever high school. Yeah. And it was a Dan Schneider show.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Just not a good vibe. Before she came out pregnant. Yes. Yeah. It was like season one or something. I had one line that actually got cut. So I looked like an extra in the show. But I just remember the dynamics were,
Starting point is 00:53:44 I don't know how to explain it other than he felt creepy. I looked like an extra in the show, but I just remember the dynamics were, I don't know how to explain it other than he felt creepy. He was, he seemed creepy and everything, there was just no, there was no joy anywhere. And like being this, I was like 12, I think, and being this was like joy, like, I'm gonna be on a Nickelodeon show! Was just like, none of that was there.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Everything was very tense. And I think- The energy was just off. It was just an offset, yeah. And then seeing, hearing people come out being like, it was more than off. Like it was, it was, it was abusive. It was like an abuse.
Starting point is 00:54:16 It's like, oh yeah, of course it was. And I think my mom saw that and did not push. Like she wasn't like trying to schmooze with anyone on set. She was like very concerned about, I don't want my daughter to be here for as, like for more time than she has to be. Let's just do the one and done. Let's get your one line that's gonna get cut and get out.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Yeah. And then she really put it in my, she put the ball in my court, like, she was like, I'm just gonna be here for you if you wanna keep doing this. It's so much rejection. Are you cool with this much rejection all the time? And there was something wrong with my brain growing up
Starting point is 00:54:51 that I was just like, mm-hmm, I didn't care. I didn't see it. My little brother tried and he did one audition, didn't get it and was like, I'm out. Oh, that was horrible. That was horrible. This is rejection, I can't. And so by the time I got my, I was like, I didn't was horrible. This is rejection, I can't. And so by the time I got my,
Starting point is 00:55:06 I was like, I didn't work, that's the thing, I didn't work that much. On paper, it looks like I worked quite a bit, but I did a few commercials, it was great. I did that one episode of Zoey 101. I did an episode of the OC. And I did do a show for ABC. I did another series that went-
Starting point is 00:55:28 Was that the Brothers and Sisters? Yeah, Sons and Daughters. Oh, Sons and Daughters. Brothers and Sisters, very close. And Brothers and Sisters was another show on ABC that actually was successful. Not like Sons and Daughters that went 11 episodes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:41 It was a comedy and I did that. But then through high school, I didn't really work that much. And then I got my driver's license and my mom was like, now you're driving yourself to third and labor. Yeah, thank God. And it was great. You know, I interviewed Corey Feldman years ago, like it might have been 2017 or 18. And someone just wrote me like, you should just interview me. He wrote such
Starting point is 00:56:06 a compelling book and everything. And so I had him come on and came home with his wife at the time, who's now they're divorcing and it's ugly. And I was just asking about, you know, being a child actor. And this is before like, all this stuff with Diddy and everything had come out and he was just like, Heather, you know? And he has, he's, you know, it was a weird interview but he was just like, Heather, you know, nobody, no child should be a child actor. No child should be a child actor. And I kind of was like, listen, I'm not,
Starting point is 00:56:42 I believed everything he said. Obviously I knew he'd seen some shit, you know, and at this point, Corey Haim had already passed and everything. And but I was like, Yeah, but we can't tell stories. We can't tell all the stories we want to tell without kids. Now, they don't have to be Shirley Temple, you know, and have when you look into her life, you know, she has some stories that are crazy and she turned out okay, but like, but like, we still there still should be a way that a really smart challenge. I mean, there still are the Ron Howard's, there still are the Edens, there still are, you know, there still are people that were
Starting point is 00:57:20 able to do it and stay in it or do it and move on and still have a great life or whatever. So I think it is challenging for parents. And all I can say is having all these stories come out. If you are lucky enough to have such a talented kid that wants to do it, that you set it up that either you're on that you are probably going to have to be on set, you know, and work it out and merely make sure. But I also feel like nowadays, kind of like the way I think Catholic school is probably a lot safer now than it was because there's so many rules because of
Starting point is 00:57:56 what happened, like even when I was a teacher, a parent there, we had just a volunteer in the class, they do full background checks, you have to do this whole thing, no one's ever left alone with a child that isn't theirs. Like all this stuff. So I feel like an actual studio set today is probably way safer than someone just doing content at someone's house on YouTube, whose mom is running a family vlog.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Like that's where it can get fucked up. Totally. This is at least because of the exposure that we know was fucked up before, yeah. I mean, good that you're saying that. I haven't been a child on a set in a while, and so all I can say is like how to make it, like yes, you're right,
Starting point is 00:58:36 stories can be told with children, or they should be told with children, but my thing would just be like have so many protections in place, like way more, and even like offset I feel like coaching. Yes. Well, we saw that too with the in the you didn't see it But in the Nickelodeon thing the real perpetrator was this acting coach Yes, I went away and then was rehired. I all of it
Starting point is 00:59:03 It's just if you're, so if there are more protections in place, if like it is better now, then totally good. But I just, it's like every single aspect of it needs to be monitored. In the same way that like we monitor children, we make sure, it's like illegal to not have a child in school, it should be like illegal to not have someone monitoring a third not have someone monitoring
Starting point is 00:59:26 a third party, someone monitoring this child. People aren't legal adults for a reason. You have to be monitored. Children have to be watched and cared for. I also think, well, first of all, you got the part when you were 17, so you were almost an adult. But also, you were the part when you were 17, so you were almost an adult.
Starting point is 00:59:45 But also, you know, you were a character funny actor. You weren't sexualized. You weren't wearing a wig and lashes like these Disney shows at 12 and talking about, well, my boyfriend cheated on me. That's when we used to watch those Nickelodeon shows. I'd hear it in the background and I'd be like, what the fuck is this? What, like, iCarly? I'm like, what are you talking about? Oh, we have a web series.
Starting point is 01:00:08 They literally were living a life of 25 year olds. And I'm like, what is going on? And so this was very real, but do you feel like that was an advantage too, probably, that your part was not someone that was overly sexualized or gorgeous or cheerleader or whatever. Huge advantage. I was never, that's the thing, I was I was never sexualized as a child I think because I was so goofy I was not like cute I was not and that's where I get
Starting point is 01:00:39 like I was not a pretty child I was not I'm fine and I'm fine saying that I think I'm adorable now I think I'm really not, I'm fine, and I'm fine saying that. I think I'm adorable now. I think I'm really, I think I'm cute. I think I'm beautiful. But I was not, I was not an attractive child. I think that's a weird phrase, honestly. I think that's gross. As someone, my grandma, I just have to,
Starting point is 01:00:57 dearly departed, like, lover. But we were going through, this is a, I swear to God, this comes back. When I was pregnant, we were going through baby clothes. My mom just got like a bunch of hand-me-down baby clothes, and we were going through it when, this is a, I swear to God this comes back. When I was pregnant, we were going through baby clothes. My mom just got like a bunch of hand-me-down baby clothes and we were going through them. And we saw this one little dress and my grandma goes, ooh, that's sexy.
Starting point is 01:01:15 And I was like, no, it's not. No, it's not, it's for an infant. And she was like, no, no, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, like it's sexy, like it's adorable. And I was like, no, those are different words just saying, I'm just saying. You know, like it's sexy, like it's adorable. And I was like, no, those are different words, different words, and the first one should never, ever be used to describe baby clothes ever.
Starting point is 01:01:32 And I think it was just a different time, but it really put it in my brain, like, oh my God, some people use these words to describe children. Like that's not, so this is all to say that I was never, I was not, thank God, I was not a sexy child and no one thought of me that way. And so I, and I really was funny. And so I like took, you know, acting classes and then I did this show, this other show for ABC,
Starting point is 01:01:58 Sons and Daughters, which was improvised. And so I feel like I learned the concept of improv and I like really, really focused, it sounds cheesy, like I focused learned the concept of improv and I like really really focused It sounds cheesy like I focused on the craft of it all like I focused more on that and And so yeah, I did I lucked out with this role that was truly just about The comedy of it that wasn't about that was not I think it's a I think I never I went out for the the cute You know even like the high school the cute girl roles. I never booked them. I simply was not, I think it's a, I think I never, I went out for the cute, you know, even like the high school, the cute girl roles. I never booked them.
Starting point is 01:02:27 I simply was not cute enough. And so like, now I can, now I can play them because I know how to, I don't know, do both, I don't know. But, do both, be funny and also be cute. But yeah, no, I definitely did. I looked out. And so when you went out for it, did you did they are, were they already familiar? Did you go through all the steps with the callback and everything? Or was it like offered to you?
Starting point is 01:02:53 No, it was not offered to me at all. Basically, I love horrible audition stories. So please tell. I went in and I read seven plus times. They filmed an original pilot. I read for it, a pre-read. Didn't even get a call back. Didn't even ask to read twice in the room. I go back for the screen test. There were two other girls in the room.
Starting point is 01:03:15 And the other girls were genuinely 12. They were like, where's your mom? And I was like, at work? They're like, how did you get here? I was like, I drove? And they're like, did you get here? I was like, I drove? And they're like, you can drive? They made you 12? They made me 12.
Starting point is 01:03:30 Oh, wow. And I had two screen tests. I went in the first time, there were two other girls. I went in the second time, there was one other girl. I swear, I spent three minutes in the room with everyone. Everyone else spent like 25 minutes. I got three minutes. Then they were like, you booked it.
Starting point is 01:03:43 And I was like, I don't believe you. And when you did the pilot, was it immediately Greenland or you had to wait? No, we had to wait. And did you think, like, when did you realize this is a hit and this is going to continue every year? Or did every year you worried about the pickup? Every year I think I worried about the pickup. I think maybe after, I think after season four, we were like,
Starting point is 01:04:05 okay, now we kind of expect it. So you had this boyfriend in the show. Yeah, that was hilarious, because he was clearly gay, either he didn't know and who's denying it. But you guys said this great best friend chemistry, but you're like, he's my boyfriend. Yeah. And again, 10 years ago, that was like a very original, funny concept joke that was so funny and fresh to like watch as an audience member. Yeah. And so the two of you set out to, they were going to give you a spin-off.
Starting point is 01:04:34 Oh, yes. Yeah. And so what happened with that? It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate timing. It's one of my great, I don't want to say regrets, but like, I think that was a missed opportunity for ABC. It was just, really poor timing. We had, we shot a pilot in November.
Starting point is 01:04:52 No we didn't, I'm lying, it was October. And I know that because we waited, we were like, let's just get the pickup. We shot a pilot in October, it was good. It was really good, it was like a actually good pilot. Not all of them are. And I've seen it recently and I was good, it was really good. It was like an actually good pilot. Not all of them are. And I've seen it recently and I was like, okay, this is flawed.
Starting point is 01:05:10 I see, I see, like, this is definitely not perfect, but it is solid. It was just like a good show. And started in October, ABC had a complete regime change. The president of ABC at the time became not the president of ABC It started in October, ABC had a complete regime change. The president of ABC at the time became not the president of ABC and like all of the executives, like no one was there at ABC to make a decision.
Starting point is 01:05:33 It was not the real pilot season. So they weren't all on board looking at pilots. It was the end of the year. I think everyone was super tired. And then no one was there. Just literally no one was at ABC to make a decision. And we found out, I think the day before, two days before Thanksgiving,
Starting point is 01:05:49 we were supposed to find out like- And what year was this? 2019? 2018 or 2019. I think what's kind of great about now is that like, you know, if you had a pilot at a network and they didn't pick it, it lived at the network, it died at the network, that was the end. But I feel like in the last few years, they're like,
Starting point is 01:06:10 hey, we don't want it, but you know what, let's toss it to the streamer over here, or we'll give you a chance to sell it over there. And that's the kind of, that's what's so much better about today, I think, is that these things don't have to totally die just because, you know. I think if it was made last year, I think it would have gone to Netflix. I really think or it would have gone to freeform at least. I'm surprised it didn't go to freeform in general like then. But I still think there might be life for it. I don't. That sounds crazy. Like just in the last year, like spending this much time with Brock, we were like, God, we wish, like, like I think it still could live there.
Starting point is 01:06:47 Cause the, the, the spinoff took place years in the future. It took like a few years in the future. Right. And I think the main, the whole story was like- And was a story that you guys are like married, but he's gay and you still don't know? No. What is it? No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:06:59 No, he, cause he came out in the show. Oh, he comes out in the show. Yeah. In the middle, like he came out in like season eight or something. Okay. They finally, and honestly, it comes out in the show. Yeah, in the middle. Like, he came out in like, he's an eight or something. OK. They finally, and honestly, it didn't change the dynamic at all. It did not change the dynamic.
Starting point is 01:07:11 I'm getting too excited. I'm talking too fast. No, so yeah, he was like, I think it's about Sue and Brad. It's about Sue, but like Sue and Brad in Chicago. It'd be like them in their 20s. Got it. That's a fun concept. That would be fun, I think.
Starting point is 01:07:26 Yeah. But no, it definitely would have gone to a streamer if it was made, I think. Right. No. But yeah, the decision fell to literally Bob Iger. And with that, so now when you've steadily worked for that many years,
Starting point is 01:07:40 and you think you're gonna have this other leg of your life, and it's, no, was that a hard adjustment to then go back to being just like the working actor trying to get the next gig? Yeah, it was actually. It was, and I was super prepared for that part of my life. I didn't even wanna do the spin-off originally. I didn't even wanna, they had to,
Starting point is 01:08:02 they like convinced me to do it. And I was like, okay, it has to be this, this and this though. I have to have these certain like, you know, like authorities. Like I have to, I have to make this, this is what the thing, I have to have some say over this. So I had some say over it and then it became a really good thing. And then I got super excited about it. And like you said, I was like, oh, I'm prepared. Like everyone was like, it's a formality. It's definitely gonna go to series. So I was prepared for this part of my life.
Starting point is 01:08:29 And I didn't allow myself to mentally prepare the way that I had been to be, to not have a job. Right. And so I would have had months to be like, to plan, to like, just to feel, just to like feel all my feelings about grieving this, like, yeah, I wasn't a child, but like that's actually what my One Open Show to plan, just to feel all my feelings about grieving this. Yeah, I wasn't a child, but that's actually
Starting point is 01:08:48 what my One Open Show really deals with, is growing up, being 17 to 26, are hugely formative years. And so I feel like I did grow up. I really did grow up on the show. And the point of all this is that I wasn't. I was not prepared. I was devastated that this thing that was supposed to happen
Starting point is 01:09:07 didn't happen. And then I just felt so I was totally at sea. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know. I was like, OK, I would have been putting wheels in motion for other things, but this. So no, I was lost. And so you were on a hit sitcom.
Starting point is 01:09:22 Were you good about your money during those years? Yeah. Yeah. I was you good about your money during those years? Yeah, yeah. I was pretty good about, pretty good about, yeah. I was definitely good about my money. It's still not, I will say, like, I will never, I will never ever ever complain about money, ever. But I do think people think that, maybe because of the Friends era,
Starting point is 01:09:44 I think people think that TV people have more money than they have. Like you're set for life. Yeah, like people think like my grandchildren are set. And that's not the case. That's just, it's just like, if you have to be smart about your money, but even still, if you don't work for a while,
Starting point is 01:10:01 like that's, you're gonna run out of money. Like you're gonna, you don't have money, you don't have for a while, like, that's, you're gonna run out of money. Like, you're gonna, you don't have money, you don't have infinity money. Like, so I feel really super blessed that we don't have to like scramble. Like, me and my husband aren't like. How did you meet your husband? Boring, just like through friends.
Starting point is 01:10:21 I don't know, it's kind of interesting just in that we were like friends for years beforehand. And he was just like this serial dater, like he always had a girlfriend. And I was like, oh, okay, nevermind. Like, Crani's a fantasy. Like, Crani's not, he always has a girlfriend. And then I saw him on Tinder one day. Yeah. And I got so scared.
Starting point is 01:10:40 I was just like, ah, what's Crani, why is he on, ah, swipe left. And I swiped left. I wanna step back a minute. Yeah, sorry. What was it like being going on dating sites and would people recognize you right away or they wouldn't know or was that awkward to then be out at a restaurant and somebody's like, love you, and some guy being like, what's that about?
Starting point is 01:10:59 Like, how did you let people know that you were on a hit sitcom? Okay, well, it's a little bit tricky because back in the day on Tinder, you had to have a Facebook. You had a Facebook to like have an account because they just wanted to verify that you're a real person. And I did not have a Facebook because I,
Starting point is 01:11:19 like I had a professional Facebook, but I didn't have one because I was like, I just don't have Facebook. I can't do that. And so I had to use my friend's account. She let me, she did this thing where she let me change all of her profile pictures to me for just a period of time.
Starting point is 01:11:36 And then I signed up to Tinder with her because she had a girlfriend already. Like she didn't need, she was set. And she let me use her account. I put the pictures up and then she changed all her pictures back to her after it was already set. So it said my name was, it was all my pictures, but it said my name was Allie.
Starting point is 01:11:52 Who is your friend? Who's my friend. I got it. And so people who, it was kind of this good buffer, like people who didn't know who I was just was like, hey, you're a girl named Allie. And then I had to sort of explain. And then, so that's how I got it out
Starting point is 01:12:10 But people who some people did recognize me and were like hey like you're pretending to be this girl Like that's so that's really fucked up like you're catfishing as this like she's an actress and I had to be like no I I am actually her but also I don't want to take you because you know This is gonna be weird. Oh my gosh. But I ended up, I dated a couple guys. Actually, I'm friends with one of the guys too. He's like a producer. And so you guys get married, and then you find out you're pregnant with identical twins.
Starting point is 01:12:38 So this was all natural. All natural. Do you have twins in your family? No, and if you see my show, I talk about this. I talk about how identical twins happen, because they are not genetic. They're not genetic in any way. Anyone can get pregnant with identical twins.
Starting point is 01:12:55 It's just that the embryo splits. It's just that the embryo splits. OK. The little zygote splits in two, makes little clones in your body, and then somehow it works. I'm always like the miracle of life. So when did you find out that you were, first you found out you were pregnant
Starting point is 01:13:11 because you peed on a stick or whatever. Then, so was it the first ultrasound that they saw to heartbeats? No, this is the most insane part. I pee on a stick, I'm pregnant, okay great. Oh, I'm pregnant with a baby. We were trying, we were like trying because I was like, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:25 Go in for an actual scan and she says, I wasn't even thinking of anything other than just one baby. And she goes, yep, there is a heartbeat and it's just one. And I was like, and it's a singleton. And I was like, oh, okay, of course it is. That's what happens when you're pregnant. But okay, great, I'm glad it's just one.
Starting point is 01:13:44 I go in for the next scan. So they tell me at a doctor, at my OBGYN, that it is just one child, or one zygote, one baby happening. And then I go in for my next one. And they don't know the sex at that point? No. Okay. They just know it's a functioning viable, yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:03 Then I go in for my next one. I think it was eight weeks, eight and a half weeks-ish. And she- It's still really early though, but yeah. It's still pretty, it's still really early, yeah. But I was still, I already thought it was just one. She told me it was just one. And I talk about this in my show, but she literally turns to me.
Starting point is 01:14:23 She like gasps, and I was like, she gasps and like holds her like, she doesn't look happy. She just like, and I was like, this is it. Like I miscarried. Yeah, yeah. That's like, okay, that's fine. That happens.
Starting point is 01:14:36 I know that happens. It's all going through your head and like not even a second, yeah. And she looks, she turns to me like slowly, like truly takes like eight seconds to turn her head and just holds up a peace sign. And I was like, what? And she goes, Nick, his name is Nick, actual Nick. Nick, come over here, let me show you,
Starting point is 01:14:56 if you can see what I see. And because he saw her do this, he saw, and I was like, oh my God, is she, what is happening? And she points to him and he's looking, he's like, can you see the monitor? Can you see the whatever? She's like, see that there, right there? There's a heartbeat.
Starting point is 01:15:12 And then she just goes, and there's another one, right there. And we were like, I saw all the blood drain from my husband's face. And I was like, oh! Did you ever have twin friends growing up? Did you ever think twins would be fun? Did you ever play with twin dolls?
Starting point is 01:15:29 No, never, never. I had a twin friend. I actually had fraternal twin friends. I did, they were two of my best friends. They were, it was a boy girl twins. Actually two sets of fraternal twins, but I never, I was never like a twin person. Everyone I think is fascinated by identical twins
Starting point is 01:15:44 to some degree. Yeah, I am totally, yeah. They I think is fascinated by identical twins to some degree. I am totally, yeah. And they are just as fascinating to have. They are- And so your girls are three. They're three now and they are- And do they still look identical? To me, they look very different.
Starting point is 01:15:58 To people who, they also, they wear glasses. Now would you put them into acting because they can do twice the amount of work. They are identical twins, twin babies hours are hot commodities I have learned and when they were baby babies. I was like Babies modeling like extra cash college fund like okay sure let's do like why not Not at all it was so much work. To put them out there.
Starting point is 01:16:26 It's so much work putting them out there. And I was like, and then I realized I would be the worst stage mom ever because you have to, at the slightest sign of discomfort, I would pull them. If they started crying and they were like, no, make them stop crying, I'd be like, fuck you, get out.
Starting point is 01:16:41 Like, we're leaving. I would never ever have them ever be like, fuck you, get out, like we're leaving. I would never ever have them ever be like uncomfortable in that way. Yeah, you know, with the Everyone Loves Raymond, the twin boys were the actual, if I'm correct, the biological brothers of the little girl. I think they were, I think you're right. Cause they did really look alike, like a lot.
Starting point is 01:17:03 Yeah, it just like worked out. Yeah. And you know, and in real life, I think you're right. Because they did really look alike, like a lot. Yeah, it just like worked out. And in real life, I think that Ray only has the boys. He only has twin boys in real life because it was based on his life. No, I think he does have a girl also. I think he has three, yeah. I only know that, I think my friends went to school with him. Oh really?
Starting point is 01:17:21 I don't know, maybe. But maybe those were the most, I think it's the most interesting. The twin part is the most interesting, so it's probably the part that people remember. Yeah, from like his stand-up and stuff before getting the show. Yeah. God, they're so funny.
Starting point is 01:17:36 And they ask for Frozen, and I don't know why, I don't know how we got onto English and Spanish. We do both English and Spanish versions. And one was like, Mommy, I need Let It it go and my other kid goes In Spanish And she's like no in English and they just back and forth we're like crying when I'm crying going in And the one who wanted Spanish just kept saying in Spanish
Starting point is 01:18:04 You dress them alike? I don't. I don't. You're not supposed to, I think. I know people who do. I have other friends and I just think it's, I think it's confusing for everyone else. Because other people can't recognize,
Starting point is 01:18:18 they can't tell the difference between them. So I think it's, and they just want, if they, sometimes they ask for the same thing. Sometimes they get really upset. They will ask. They will be like if one of them has a red show. Sometimes we have to get two of the same because it's just they like it's fairness. Yeah. They get they ever have a thing where like one stubs her toe and the other one goes out. They don't say ouch, but they will go over and like freak out. They'll say like, my sister is crying.
Starting point is 01:18:47 My sister is crying. Look her toe. And they'll say, they'll say like, I feel bad. I feel sad. That makes me sad when my sister is sad when she stubs her toe. That's so amazing to me. It's so I'm like, do other three year olds. We're like, like, that's called empathy.
Starting point is 01:19:02 Yeah. And so now they say like, I have empathy for my sister. I'm like, do other three year olds gender? We're like, that's called empathy. And so now they say like, I have empathy for my sister. I'm an empath. They literally are. In Spanish, please. Oh my gosh. Well, listen, tell us about your show
Starting point is 01:19:18 and what's going on where it is now. So you did this everywhere. You went on the road. It's like a one woman show with lots of fun stories about your life and you want to film it. You went on the road. It's like a one-woman show with lots of fun stories about your life, and you want to film it, so tell us about that. So it really is. It's a journey.
Starting point is 01:19:32 It's like, take it as in the few years after the middle ends. It's about me coming to terms with my identity as a person, as a human being who is not Suhek, but also kind of is Suhek. And that's the problem is that I kind of am. Let me ask you one question for you. Is there anything that like when I'm sure you're to say, you know, 99% of the time when somebody walks up to you and it says, I love the show, you were amazing.
Starting point is 01:19:59 Is there any time where it isn't great? Well, I talk I watch my show. That's my whole show. That's the whole. It's some weird stuff. Give me one instance where it wasn't great. Well, I'll give you a little, I don't know if I should spoil it,
Starting point is 01:20:16 is a huge thing that happened. I had a crazy labor and delivery. Actually, a lot of the show is about my labor and delivery, but it comes, it's, oh, but it is also, it is intertwined with this, this, and so I had a crazy labor in delivery, and I had, I delivered it 28 weeks, which is very early for anyone who doesn't know.
Starting point is 01:20:39 They were in the hospital for a while, but my delivery, one came out vaginally, and the other was an emergency C-section. Oh wow. And before the emergency C-section, I'll just say that someone in the room, while I'm freaking out, while I'm like, I don't know if my babies are alive right now,
Starting point is 01:20:58 someone is like, where do I know you from? Where do I know you from? Where do I know you from? And I had to be like, I don't know, I don't know, is my baby alive? They're like, no, I know I know you from somewhere. Literally giving me like an epidural. Like a needle in my neck, needle in my spine, being like, you're an actor, right? And then yes, and then eventually telling me. Have you ever had someone where it's like, where do an actor, right? And then yes, and then eventually telling it.
Starting point is 01:21:26 Have you ever had someone where it was like, where do I know you're from? And finally you're like, I'm an actress, I'm on a TV and then they're like, that's not it. A hundred percent. That's not it, I think we went to high school together and you're like, well, I didn't go to your high school so I think it might be, and then you're to the point
Starting point is 01:21:41 where you're like, well now you're making me feel conceited because I'm literally saying I'm famous and you're not, believe me, has that happened to you? Yes, well 90% of point where you're like, well, now you're making me feel conceited because I'm literally saying I'm famous and you're not, believe me. Has that happened to you? Yes, well, 90% of the time people are like, did we go to high school together? Cause it's like, TV is weird. It lodges in a weird part of your brain
Starting point is 01:21:55 that's not like normal movie stars. But one time, so all the time people are like, were you at Dan's party on Friday? And I'm always like, no, I don't know Dan. That's not where you know me from. And usually I'll try to are like, where you at Dan's party on Friday? And I'm always like, no, I don't know Dan, that's not where you know me from. And usually I'll try to be like, I'm not gonna be conceited, I'm not gonna, but this one time I was out to dinner
Starting point is 01:22:13 and I was like, I don't have time for this. So the guy was like, you look so familiar. And I was like, do you watch The Middle? And he goes, no. And I was like, oh, okay, do you, oh, okay, do you, I don't know do you, do you, I don't know, is there another TV show, did you watch Weeds or something? And he was like, no, he was like, oh, do you know Mike?
Starting point is 01:22:32 And I was like, I do know Mike. Just to end it, just to end it. No, no, I did know Mike. I saw you at Mike's workshop the other day, and I was like, oh my god, that is where he was. He was like, no, I don't know who the fuck you are. I don't know, I don't watch your show. I was like, okay, sorry, nevermind.
Starting point is 01:22:53 So I'll never do it again. Oh my god, that's hilarious. Okay, so tell us a little bit about this. So yeah, so my show, it talks about my journey. So I wanna film it, I wanna film it. I have a Kickstarter, it costs about my journey. So I wanna film it. I wanna film it. I have a Kickstarter. It costs a lot of money to film, to, it costs a lot of money to film a special.
Starting point is 01:23:10 And I really, really, really want people to see it. It's a really special show to me. And so I'm trying to raise money. I am trying to raise money to film it. So where can they go to check it out? Every, any one of my socials. Go to your Instagram? My Instagram, my TikTok.
Starting point is 01:23:24 Which is Eden. Yeah, which is, it just Eden, ohs. Go to your Instagram. My Instagram, my TikTok. Which is Eden. Yeah, which is, just Eden, oh, it's Eden underscore share. Yeah. Why isn't it just Eden share? That is so annoying. And share is S-H-E-R. Yeah, Eden underscore share.
Starting point is 01:23:34 You can also go to edensharelive.com. You can also search, I was on a sitcom on Kickstarter. It's like, it's in my bio everywhere. It's just, you can't escape it if you go to my socials. And then also you have your podcast. I do, yeah, and I have my podcast, Middling with Eden and Brock. And you guys cover the middle, but anything else?
Starting point is 01:23:54 You have guests? We do, we have guests. Actually, you should come on if you want one day. Oh sure. I'm a big fan of the show. That's kind of what we... So we have... One of my favorite episodes was one of the Mother's Day. You should come and recap a Mother's Day episode.
Starting point is 01:24:10 Where they... This is so relatable to the mom. So she's so tired, and they're like, you know what, we're gonna leave you to just do your day alone. So they go, and then she ends up not relaxing, like defrosting the fridge, doing all this shit. And then they come home and they're like,
Starting point is 01:24:31 we had the best time. You guys come with the dad, we had the best time. We went to the farm and then we went to the park and then we went to the amusement park. And she's just like, and now my day's over and I didn't spend any time with my kids. And I think that was such a brilliant episode because I think people always think,
Starting point is 01:24:48 and we did it once to my mother-in-law. She came to Vegas where my brother-in-law lived and we said, and here's a spa day and you are going tomorrow. And she didn't want to go tomorrow. She wanted to spend the time with everybody. Yeah. And so it's like, you can give someone a gift
Starting point is 01:25:03 but don't tell them to go do something or not do something that day. Like, because it's like the whole point. Um, you know, everybody wants a different thing, but I just thought that was just like such a clever episode. But yes, I'd love to come on and talk more about it with you. Yeah. Surely we can do that episode. And I remember seeing that episode recently. I watched it, I think as research for when I was writing my show am now, like, watching it, rewatching it as a mom. I'm like, one of the things they hit on in that episode is this, like, constant battle,
Starting point is 01:25:31 this, like, I just want a break. I want a fucking break. But also this guilt. This, like, oh, but I want to be with my kids. I know I want to be with them. And it was... And then you miss them. And then you miss them.
Starting point is 01:25:43 Yeah. And that's how I feel. That's how I... It's more just like when they're little like your age. It's like, I just want to eat this Chinese chicken salad in peace. I just want to poop alone. I don't eat eight hours alone. I just want to eat this one salad by myself.
Starting point is 01:25:57 Like 20 minutes where I'm not sharing my food and then having it be on the floor. Just 20 minutes. Absolutely. And men will never understand that because they will just eat their sandwich. That's what, okay, my husband, literally the other day, he made himself a bowl of lentils and then just ate it.
Starting point is 01:26:14 And I was like, what did you just do? And he was like, I was hungry, I wanted to eat my food. And I was like, but they were also hungry. Why did they, they wanted it. Why didn't you give it to them? He was like, cause I wanted my food. And I was like, oh, interesting, interesting tactic to just eat food.
Starting point is 01:26:29 Never considered it. That's hilarious. Well, thank you so much. This was really fun. I so enjoy your stories and your energy and everybody go check out her Instagram and her show and her podcast and hopefully, you know, participate in it and get it so that we
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