Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Britney's New BF, Drew Barrymore, Sandoval Blocked with Guy Branum

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

Comedian Guy Branum jumps on to discuss his time writing for the VMAs, and how artist beefs are orchestrated. Kyle's husband Mauricio is on Dancing with the Stars, while she’s dancing in Paris with Morgan Wade. Britney Spears’ rumored boyfriend has quite the past. Guy shares his insight on how the return of Drew Barrymore's show could affect the WGA strike. I’m confident the RHOA reunion was schemed up by some of the cast members. Dorinda has a new face. Amy Schumer has to delete more jokes. Guy shares about his time working for Ashton Kutcher. I’ve never related more to Heather Dubrow than I do now. And finally, The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are on a path of destruction unlike anything we’ve seen before. Enjoy! Vote For Juicy Scoop: realitytelevisionawards.com/vote Get extra juice on Patreon: patreon.com/juicyscoop Subscribe on Youtube: youtube.com/@JuicyScoop Follow me on Instagram: instagram.com/heathermcdonald Follow me on TikTok: tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Follow Guy on all socials: @guybranum Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Woo, woo, and a McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. I have returned guest, supermodel, tall, beautiful, tan, very tan and glowing, guy, brand-um, welcome back. Hello, good to be here. This is my summer of vitamin D.

Most fat people are low in vitamin D. And so I've been like my political and self-care action for the summer has been getting sun. Good, why not? Yes. I mean, you know what? How many more years do we have left on this earth for everyone? It's so true.

Why not enjoy the sun? No, I mean, we are all Carol Radsowell with five good summers laughs. We really are. I'm not going to, I mean, I'm not going to advocate a tanning bed that is a time that I never want to come back in my life. But definitely go sit in the sun, put on some sunscreen, but go sit in the sun. Okay. The YouTuber who I have let run my life, there's a man who has like, help YouTube

things and he's very hot and I just do whatever he says. He insists that you will not get sunburns. Like the bro science thing now is you will not get sunburns if you don't consume seed oils. So the other thing I've noticed is that younger kids, like teenagers and stuff will be, will be like, oh, the ozone index is an eight today, so you'll be able to get tan, like they want to get tan. Oh, yeah. And I don't even know what your,

is that a bad thing? And they're like, no, it means the sun's really strong, so we're gonna get tan today. And they all like follow that and they have like some app. But, I mean, it's wonderful. I am scared that I'm just going to be full of skin cancer, but I go to a dermatologist a lot. That's good. Again, sunscreen people wear hat.

Okay. Let's talk about the VMAs. They were on last night on MTV and people were very excited about a few things. The end sync, including Justin, Timberlake, finally came, danced with Lance Bass and everybody else. Timberlake finally came, danced with Lance Bass and everybody else. But they all wore, they all wore full color suits except for Justin. Even in this moment, he needs to be, why can't he be gracious? Why can't he just be one of the boys again? Good point, good point. But I loved it.

I loved it for my friend Lance Bass. And I think they all looked great and Taylor Swift is the most enthusiastic enthusiastic audience member. Yes. That's also a star that has ever lived. I always feel a little bit like it just wears on me a little bit that she needs to be gracious She knows how tall and thin and blonde she is and she knows that everyone's ready to say you have a Super sick. Yeah, I'm so successful and so how much she's present for other people makes me uncomfortable and it makes me want for her to just have something for herself the way that when Wineth Paltrow, do we talk about how we're okay with

Wineth Paltrow now because she's over 50 and thus we can classifiers a witch. Oh, no, I didn't know that you did that. Okay, so basically, you started this movement. So, okay. We like, for 10 years, we were like, oh, she's so full of herself, she's so obidy. And then at the trial, we were just like fabulous.

Oh, right, the trial of where she won about. Wait, what was the trial about? Oh, she like knocked into that man. Oh, yes, the ski trial. I loved her during the ski trial. I loved her during the ski trial. Also being someone who's a skier and a bad skier, I don't want to be sued. I loved her during the ski trial. I love to be someone who's a skier and a bad skier. I don't want to be sued. I love it. I love to during the ski trial too, but I just love that we were able to be like,

she's a diva. She exists on her own terms, and I really think as somebody around her age, that it is because she achieved a different point in her life when we're not demanding relatability out of her. And good points. I just hate that like, we do that to Taylor Swift, but also she keeps making good music and it's doing fine. So I don't ask you about Gwyneth. Yes. We talked about Gwyneth and I've talked about Jessica Elba, though I do think Gwyneth

is a more obviously established actress and has the chops. Do you think she'll ever get back into acting or she just makes so much money on Goup, she does not want to bother sitting in a trailer by herself. I would love to see her take the risk because there's the thing when people have enough established success around them, there's no incentive to take risks. And, you know, I think it could very easily be her coming back

for one thing, it not being a hit out of the park and her being like, never again. But it's things make me so happy. Share in the 80s being like, I have things very established, but I'm going to go out on a limb and you know, act and try real hard. And then having real success at it makes me so happy. Okay, so when share broke out in the 80s and it was such a big deal that she was over 40 and wearing a G string and Nylon that showed her ass tattoo. And I just remember she had a commercial about something

and she's like, and here's three women in their 40s dancing in the rain and it was like, oh my God, I can't believe a 40-year-old is dancing in the rain. Like, I really think that she did change it for a lot of people that like 40s, not old, 50s, not old, 80s, not old. So I love that, but I will say about Gwyneth. I love the movies that she's been in.

I love Talenton Mr. Ripley. I loved a perfect murder. Yeah. I talk about that one a lot. I love, I like watching her. I like her acting. I would love to see her in something, you know, Netflix, eight episodes series, juicy.

Like the one that, like the one about, the one with, with a, Is it a lines or? Big little, like a big little lies kind of a thing. I'm sure there's a book out there that Reese with her spoon hasn't realized. Yeah. So if you're working for Reese, go find that book. Give it to Reese. Let her produce it. Have going with pal to a star. Let it be a rich person story. Yeah. story. Yeah. We don't need to see her being anything but a rich person in cash. We were pajamas. Right. And a beautiful home, gorgeous aesthetic and some infidelity murder and a twist happens among eight episodes that I can get off on. That is that does sound very juicy about the right it guy. Okay, about the VMAs. I just I was at

about the VMAs. No, right it, guy. Okay. About the VMAs, I was at high tops at Gay Bar last night that we've been two together. And I went to the bar and this guy in his 20s pointed at the screen and was like, do you know who that is? And I was like, no, I don't. I'm very old. And he was like, I don't know either.

And it was very difficult to realize just how many of the acts that I had no idea who they were. I was excited to see Renee Rapp from, do you watch the extensive college girls? I've watched it a little. It's great. It seems like you would enjoy. But the star of that who is so funny, I, you know, she's a recording artist and she was there in great presence. Was there actually a fist fight between Megan the Italian? Well, it was all coming in.

It suddenly happened between Justin Timmerlake and Megan the stallion. Well, it was all coming in. Something happened between Justin Timmerlake and Megan the stallion. And now according to People Magazine and a few other reports, we can now say, no, not at all. She was getting her hair and makeup done. He walked by and she was like, hey, and he goes, hey, and she goes, no, I want to meet you in person. And he's like, hi, like we're doing it now.

And she was like, no, no, no, this doesn't count. I want to hang out with you. So it was very flattering on both sides and absolutely notify. All right, I would like to say a couple of things. The first thing is, that's why we love red carpets. It's because you have celebrities with their own kind and we're getting to watch and they're having organic interactions.

And also, like a real or a word show than this. You have people like award shows are good because we put famous rich people in jeopardy. We like dangle something in front of them and we get to see them want something. And then when they have a real reaction to it, you're like, ah, juicy. And I just, Joan was so good at the right carpet. Joan reverse. And like we're not, we don't do that anymore

because everybody got really scared about the idea that it needed to be body shaming or that it needed to be critical. But I also think like we do love talking about these outfits. Like we, is there a way that we can recapture what the joy of the red carpet was? I saw a bunch of the red carpet looks and I thought they were all pretty fabulous.

Yeah. I can't remember who one girl had a pink thing with like a bone coming through it. Yes. But I don't, I mean, that was probably, that was the craziest thing I saw. A lot of nakedness looking stuff, but nothing like overly shocking.

Well, the pretty tame, I thought. The wonderful. I mean, it was like seeing Nicki Minaj in like three different colors of like her business suit affair, you know, sort of like her big leather duster, whatever. Like, it sounds like some dude though, music stuff is always bolder than like the Academy Awards of the Emmys or something like that.

Like when I worked at Fashionplace, it was always so much more fun to get to do. The Grammy is because like Bonnie McKee would show up in something ridiculous just to try to get attention. Um, but I was about when you worked on the MTV. So the thing is is what makes me sad about, look, I do not want there to be violets going on, but I do like shit going on. And like, I worked on the VMAs in 2015. And like that was the year when Miley Cyrus and Nicki Minaj were having beef with each other and watching the way that these things were planned. Watching Nicki Minaj strategize with her team about her approach to everything, being so

clinical and managing all of it was really impressive. To me, the thing is, is like, I like these stories. To some extent, are they professional wrestling? Are they us being sold sort of like a heightened version of what reality is? Are people manufacturing drama for the sake of manufacturing drama? 100%, but I like seeing it done well. So do you think that they had a real beef, Nikki and Miley or no? I mean, that one I don't think was real. I think there are definitely other situations

where people legitimately hate each other or you know, don't like each other. I think a lot of it, now I have a different perspective. I think a lot of it is fans getting involved and fans and people saying, oh, she distu in this live, she distu in this interview. What do you think about her diss? And then it was like, well, I don't appreciate that.

And the two people never get on the phone and say, okay, let's keep the beef going, or let's squash it, or whatever. I think everyone's publicists just understand that like an article about what you eat for breakfast in the morning is not going to get the kind of traction that is about you made Instagram posts that might have been shading someone.

Like they get so much traffic off of that. So true. A handful of almonds and a handful of berries as a snack. Yeah. Salmon for dinner. Right. Turkey salad for snack. Yeah. Sam and for dinner. Right. Turkey salad for lunch.

Yes. We've seen that article for the last 25 years. Yeah. And you're right, no one cares. No one cares. I feel like we haven't seen that very much, and I want to thank everybody for stopping with a handful of almonds.

Yes. No, it does make a good snack. It does make a good snack. It's full of the right kind of fats. But I do like this being a world suffused with drama. I honestly wish more of the little girlies who have these singles out. I do feel like the VMAs have been captured, but the record companies and the managers trying to make their clients happen.

I just want one of those clients to get in a fight with someone so that then I'll know who they are. You know, like I'm never going to really know who these people are until they get in a fight with someone established. Very true, very true. Here I have, I, I, someone did find this photo for me. This is, I talked about last week about how Miley Cyrus back when she did a 2014 tour. That's where she was humping Teddy bears. And kind of, that was the image that I worked on. Maybe enough officially come out as buy, but it was seemed like she was pretty buy and now she's buy. That I, I kind of get in the outfit and hump the Teddy bears and a fan found it. So here I am as her and I love her music.

No, she's so great. She's like one of the great personalities that we have and it makes me sad that she's a nepo baby, but also it makes you understand why it all works. I mean, Dolly Parton is her godmother, but like she's just so natural and seems relatable and actually continues to make good, interesting music. There are some people, I'm sorry for,

yeah, go back, yeah. I get mad that Adele is a good enough singer that she's never going to have to host a game show because Adele could host a game show. Adele wants to be a stand of comics. Yes, I mean, she literally, every clip I see, she's talking more than she's singing in the Vegas show. And like, Miley, I honestly believe that Miley's career will evolve enough that I will get

to see her have it, like maybe, does she have a daytime show 15 years from now? Absolutely. And she could pull it off. I think daytime show is like such a high level of like, relatability is required. Second, only to cooking show. Okay. Can I just say about Miley? because I thought you brought up a good point. I kind of forget that's Tecli, she's a nepo baby in the sense that her dad was established musician and singer. So that would have helped put her in front of the line for the show. What was the

show called again? Hannah Montana. Hannah Montana. But I feel like people don't associate her with that because she was The worked as a child star like overly worked Fed coffee having to wear a wig and eyelashes and all this other stuff. So She has sympathy as being like almost a little bit of You know child labor laws abuse as well as being a little bit of a nepo. When I was working at Hacks, we tried to figure out a system of categorizing nepo babies.

It was grade one to grade three. Are you told me that, and you should be what my kids would be? Yes, obviously. Because they bought about the payroll. I feel like, but I feel like a Chris Pine. Yes. Like his dad was on a TV show, a hundred percent,

could maybe make some connections. And I feel like Chris Pine is definitely like a level three nepo baby as her children would be. And so is Jenn Aniston. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So dad. Like working actor soap dad. And it could have gone in any direction. Right. You know, mirror. So you know, and I feel like. Where is Tracea Ellis Ross? Oh, Tracea Ellis Ross, I would say is like Like grade two or grade one. I mean great like her dad's also in the industry. Yeah her mom's a mega star You know what I got from Tracee Ellis Ross because we were on our first shows together. Yeah, I was impressed when I went to her apartment I couldn't believe that someone had an apartment like this.

Yeah. That hadn't really had a job before. That's what I understood what it's like to be an epaul baby or have a trust fund or whatever. You don't have a roommate, you have like an actual nice decent apartment. But, and she told me like how she got the job that I got, which was I just put a video camera,

which I'm like, wow, you own a video camera in my apartment and she did all these different characters and then gave that tape to her agent that she obviously got easily through her mom. Out with you more and then they submitted it and then she got the part and then, but the way I got the part was I couldn't even audition at all. And then they found the white girl in the show.

And then that girl didn't work out. And then the writers on that show that I worked with on Kenai Ruins, they suggested me. And then I got the part. The number of jobs I have gotten because they hired somebody else who seemed like the right idea. And then that person didn't work out. And they were like, guile work. And frequently got paid half as much as the person before me.

It was very aware of it. But it's also, those are also called opportunities. And then, okay, so then we become friends and everything's great. And she introduces me into this fabulous, like Japanese restaurant on third. Yes. That was the first time I had like Lotus Root, okay?

Losing my mind. What was that place called? That was like the good sushi restaurant. What was here? Yeah, it was sushi and like cooked. Yes. Anyway, she tells me later on, Heather, I'm no longer going to be part of the show, even if it continued, but I don't get it, because I got this pilot that's going for UPN.

Was it girlfriends? And it was girlfriends. And she said the show runner and the writer and the creator was at the restaurant and saw, and didn't know who she'd get for Joan, saw Tracy. Oh my God. And was like, that is who should do it. Then of course Tracy, you know, auditioned and she killed it and she was perfect for it.

So I do say that like, whether you're Kim Kardashian, you became famous one way or like, nobody keeps giving you jobs unless you have the craft and you can do it. I mean, I think it's, she's had two hits sitcoms. She's great. You can't, being Diana Ross's daughter doesn't do that for you. She's terribly talented. But also, I just love that Camille Grammar has girlfriend's money.

Like it just thrills me to no ends. Wait, she... Kelsey was EP and she... Oh, okay. And she... Because there was another girlfriend type of show that cameo was doing that eye audition for cameo. Oh really? That was yes, that she was an actress long no that she was gonna help produce Oh, okay, she was producing that was another type of a bunch of girls. Yes, you know I was trying to doing like a friends meet sex this city kind of thing. Yeah, and

I didn't get that one either, but I remember I did audition for her and she remembered me because I had a part on Frazier and she was super nice. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, but I don't think the show went, but I didn't get it anyway. Yeah, but I never got anything. Like the Kelsey grammar was the producer of Girlfriends always seemed ridiculous to me, but also it's not because he works on good stuff and that show was so good. Yeah, it was so good.

Yeah. Okay, moving on, dancing with the stars. Mauricio's journey. Mauricio, now there's a huge list. I'm not even going to get it out. The ones we care about, it's Ariana Grande, which we knew. Mauricio, this was leaked about a week ago because someone, some detective saw some, you know, thirst photo that he took of himself and realized he was in the dance studio of some former whatever. And then Jamie

Lynn Spears is doing it as well. And what I heard is that Jamie, and I heard this on a different radio show. So I, you know, Jamie said, I'm going to give my salary to the writer's strike or the Saga or something. Really? And then other people were like, yeah, because you're probably not gonna last that long and you get paid per episode. I don't know how you-

That's surprising to me because I would think that Jamie needs the money. I don't know if she's doing this or if this is even accurate, but I would think she needs the money too. Take the money, girl. And this is also an interesting time for her to be coming back, because as I understand

it, she was pretty much a bad guy in the whole narrative of that's why I think that she's well doing this. And it's also like Brittany has been in control of herself for long enough that we are starting to understand and see the complexity of Brittany. I don't think in any way that Brittany is a human being who should have been under a conservatorship for a decade, like that anyone should have their rights taken. I'm just going to move up to the Brittany part since we're talking about this.

Oh, it's getting back to Jamie though. Jamie was on that other show, Special Forces. That's with Dr. Drew. And she like basically saved Dr. Drew's life. He was on like the first day. It's like they're like Navy SEALS over the version, the English version of Navy SEALs that do all this stuff right now, Tom Sanibol's on it, but she was on it and she lasted a decent amount of time

and he thought she was great and really nice and never spoke about Britney on that show. I don't think she has enough personality and I could be wrong to be a great reality show person. Do you think that- I think she's great reality show person. Do you think that? I think she's a nepo sibling. Do you think people are meaner about nepo siblings? 100%.

The nepo lines from your lines. There are always those situations where like a justine statement, Jason Baton, where they were both sort of like very talented and had careers of like different energies where you get sort of like worried or you feel responsible for them or those twins who are Katie Segal's sister. Like that's always interesting to me when people like, I don't know about that. That children in the early 80s with the twins

it was a sitcom, you 100% remember that show. But they were Katie Segal's sisters and now Katie sickle, you know, has a much better career than them. Anyway, the point is it's very hard to be a nepotimbling. I don't understand going into the career of the people. I think the people that have done it right are the Wayne's brothers. I mean, 100%, but also that's like a system that keeps promoting itself.

Like, so many of them are talented and like, you know, it just keeps coming. Damon Wayne's Jr. did a lot for that family. Like having so to know, Keenan is the first one that makes me feel like. No, I know that. Yeah. Yeah. Like the first generation of all of them, they were also talented. But then having somebody else from the second generation pop up who just like everyone wanted to do in Wayne's junior. Yes, yes, he's great. Yeah.

No, what was great about them too is that the ones that were not in front of the camera, they employed and they were like really good at their jobs too, whatever that was. Yeah. But yeah, it is interesting about the, I feel that, you know, she's gotten a lot of hate because the book came out and they didn't feel like she was on her side. But let's get into the latest on Brittany, because I don't think you know the latest about her new love. This message is brought to you by ColoGuard.

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It's amazing. And he does something on the property. Now, they're calling him a construction, like he was doing construction on the property. Okay, first of all, Santa's gory as possibly the hottest human being on the planet. And one of the things... Hotter than Brody Jenner. Um, yes, 100%. Totally disagree. Why?

I just think Brody Jenner is the best-looking person. But that's... The best-looking person. I just love that however much, like Brittany was constrained and wasn't allowed to be herself. We also understood her taste in men and that like she is an erotic being. Like I like that because as somebody who was a ratified so young, there's always this danger of feeling that her like that sexuality was put at pushed at them in such a way that they don't have a relationship with it.

Not only Portman has sort of talked about the ways that she didn't feel comfortable for so much of her life being engaged with her sexuality because there was so much coming at her from a young age. And I just love that we always knew Brittany likes to have a good time and we know I type a guy she likes to have a good time with. And this makes me happy because even though- Oh my God, no it's not when I tell you more. Oh okay.

It's not going to make you happy. No. No. Okay. Now, I heard stuff about this a couple weeks ago. Okay. And now that this is out on us weekly, he's been interviewed. He says I'm not gonna speak on it,

but he, naming him Paul Richard Solas. He was making some appearance at like a chat's worth. Courthouse. He has two baby mamas. One, I think that is deceased. And one that he's getting a restraining order against. I don't know, there's all this kind of stuff. He's got custody of two of the kids.

He's trying to get custody of the others. He has some criminal background which involves driving without a license, negligence of a child, also something having a gun without a license. Okay. All little things. Okay. Anyway, let me say this here before you say the big bad thing.

That all makes me happy because the Louisiana is in her blood. You just sort of know this is who she would still be if none of all of this had happened to her. I'm like, Jason Alexander, her first husband. Like, yes, and that this dude is a fucking dude. And that like, yes, she looks at Sam as guardian as like beautiful pecs, beautiful abs, absolutely. She likes a nice looking men,

but that this guy just sort of like raw masculine power of like, look power of like look at him cut down that tree. Um, you know, okay. So now the rumors are that he has moved in a couple of his kids have moved in. And that's where I get nervous as someone who cares for Brittany is that when people start to infiltrate a rich person's life that doesn't have family around. And maybe people say,

God, our family's gone around with the family's gone around. Then and she's so happy to have people and he's, you know, banging her good and and providing her for with which whatever they might do together that might not be so healthy, healthy that may cause her to spin for, you know, 10 days straight. I don't know. But I, if I was her sister, J.W.L. and Spears, or parents, this would not make me happy, and I would have much preferred Sam to have stayed. I would have much preferred Sam to have stayed, because Sam always was clearly dumb enough that

he wasn't going to pull any big moves to try to take over her life. That said, her family controlled her life for so long that she gets to fucking do what she wants to do. And if she wants to hand over everything of herself to somebody else, that is her agency. And if it ends up fucking her in the end, at least she made those decisions. Well, I think he is fucking her.

And I think that's what's great. It does. That's a one good part. But it does make me worry that she is this person who is so likely to let other people, you know, I mean, she's looking for somebody to take care of her and it's so hard. Like Sam Lufte. Yeah, but Sam Lufte has to come on my show many times. He will not.

I do kind of, I'd love to hear his point of view. He's defended himself many times in the last couple years But you know, she does kind of find these people and if you watched the movie with the weekend and yes What was that called the idol a lot of people said you know that that this was the story was loosely based on a Britney Spears character who sees this guy Who she allows in her life allows to control her That it was a sort of a Britney Spears type of person. Do you think that we will see Marilyn Monroe's style stories about her just because there is something So tragic about the way that she's always looking for love and looking for somebody to take care of her. I Mean somebody said this to me and you're going to lose your mind.

But it is a little bit Sunset Boulevard modern day. Where she could think that she is still, I don't know how with it she is or not, but that she, when she's spinning and everything, is she like, I'm on the stage at the plant Hollywood. And I'm doing this. And then the small group of people around her, the butler of Sunset Boulevard is now this gardener slash handyman, I don't know what he does.

And the world gets smaller, but with Instagram, she's able to. We get an eye into it mean you know what always gets the response not the comments but she gets the response of this many views this many likes it's so hard when you see how well managed and what a great business person Taylor Swift is and just sort of like hearing the story about them circumventing the studios to release her tour special directly through the theaters, it's just sort of like, that's so brilliant

and clearly so much of that initiative and intelligence is coming from her, but also she has so many great business people around her. And it's just sort of so sad that like somebody who needs that kind of support, like if Brittany had the right people around her, there could be people who are helping guide her towards continuing to be an artist who grows. And I don't think that that will happen. And maybe it's not what she

wants. I think even if she does, I don't know how much control those people have. Yeah. Okay. But I'm going to rewriting her books, supposedly the book is great and coming out. Which she wrote, a hundred percent she wrote. That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. You want us to be, you know, you want us to be one of the good ghost writers, like the guy who wrote Princess Diana's book. I kind of think she did write it herself because I really don't think that she could keep a schedule where someone's coming and she's sitting on a couch and they're typing away. I don't think so.

There's no, like I question her literacy skills. This is what I think happened. This is how I think the book was done. Not that she's illiterate, but just like that she needs somebody to help her make a sentence. This is what I think happened. Yes.

I think she talked into a recording device. Yes. And I think they took all of that. Yes. I think she talked into a recording device. Yes. And I think they took all of that. Yes. And then they worked on it. And then they went to her and was like, okay, we just want you to talk about this little part about when you were in Louisiana at eight. Okay.

Yes. Just do that. Send that to me. Like, I think they gave her little assignments. So it is her words. Yes. But someone organized them. No, I did that.

I did that for Josh. What's his name from? Um, then yes, Josh Altman. For his book. Yes. Yeah. I think that's a great way to do it for busy people. Okay. I want to talk to you being that your writer's guild person. Yes. Now, Drew Barrymore a couple days ago announced that she would be returning. She is a, you know, sag after writer's guilt show, but just a little update on it. So, you know, the cheat won't be using writers to do it. And there is a sag agreement for daytime. So, okay, just like that. So there are different contracts for different parts of the industry and sag right now does have, as I understand it, a contract for daytime. So she's not violating SAG and going back, but she is breaking

the strike on, for the writer's guild, and she's also not showing solidarity with SAG for, you know, theatrical stuff in prime time and everything. But I guess like she wouldn't still wouldn't be like highlighting any actors that have movies coming out or whatever or working on movies because that would be yeah, that would be part of it. But Sherry Shepherd and Jennifer Hudson are scheduled to be back on the air starting September 18th

according to their social media accounts. So I don't know if they're not writers guild or they're, you know, it's really interesting. And this talk as well. Because last time this happened, like after a couple of weeks, all of the late night shows went back and said that they didn't have writers. And it was supposed to be just the hosts riffing and improvising. And this time that has not happened and there has been a whole lot more pushback for people who aren't doing that. And I think that's really important because we're in a hard fight

right now. And as long as those companies and all of those companies are much bigger now, all of the studios are now owned by big corporations who have enough money that they can spend a year not making money off of this entertainment division. And every time somebody goes back and allows them to continue to make money, it disincentivizes them from being able to find a contract that will be able to meet the future of what entertainment is for the people who are making the entertainment. It's so hard. We all love Drew Barrymore, like I've been on her show a couple of times. You know, she's a very nice person and I also understand when you're coming into this

as a performer who usually when it comes to the big business stuff, somebody tells you what's going on. I'm sure somebody told her like, if, you know, if we don't go back, we're going to have to lay off all of our crew and it's gonna fuck over our crew and everything like that and I understand That worrying her, but also those crew members make a good living off of that job because of their unions and nobody has been more supportive of the writer's guild and sack after during all of this then the teamsters and Ioncy and those other trade unions who understand that this is important and it makes me like, and I also understand that like daytime is in this weird space where

they are like on a bubble and like she I believe is having to go down to a half hour. Like a lot of these shows are, you know, in trouble because people aren't watching broadcast television as much anymore. But also these things are freight, they're also freight trains. They are shows that still get eyes every day. It's one of the few places that you can still go and promote something. And I, you know. It's you're going to be able to crawl into someone's lap still.

No, I mean, I can't. And be like, oh my god, no, seriously, I love bunnies. They're so soft, it's incredible that their actual animals are not just stuffed animals. I mean, it's really hard because her persona is that. Her persona is sort of like the sweetest. I'm sweet and on everybody's side. And I think this probably comes from her trying to be on everybody's side. and I think this probably comes from her trying to be on everybody's side.

You know, but this is also the the I love rain video person, you know? I mean, she is just, I don't think she has thought a lot about the like larger implications of this. It's too bad that she didn't have you to call. Because I thought a different way before you sat down. Because I thought a different way before you sat down. I did think I wouldn't have done it. I understand the pressure of, but we have the crew and this kind of thing. I remember when Jay Leno went back to the tonight show in 2008 and just did it without the writers. I also remember he was paying for their, he was so wealthy, he was still able to pay for their salaries and this kind of thing and you can't really compare this to 2008 because the world is so different. The notes are different. The notion that you're going on with our jokes is false.

Like all of those people saying, oh, I don't have writers right now, is not true people were giving them stuff under the table and you yourself just going on and sort of like riffing stuff are doing work that should be covered by the writer's guilt. I mean daytime is a little bit of a different situation because what's being written there isn't a significant as it is on like a late night show with jokes and everything but also I know writers on those shows. I have interviewed to be writers on those shows. You know, it is a job and it is disrespectful of the people who support, like, who hold you up. Like, when you're on a show like that, it feels like you're the whole show. Your name is the show, but there are so many people who hold you up and, like, you got

to respect that, you know? Right. and like you got to respect that, you know? Right, well that was a real, I mean, yeah, she's under fire and that she made a long explanation that was like, I left, I didn't do the MTV film and television awards because I was the host and da da da da. And then she said, I own this choice, we are in compliance with not discussing and promoting film.

Again, I understand what she's trying to say, but you explained it best. I mean, a stoop humility is a great, somebody tweeted this, a great illustration of the fact that she needs writers. But he's also, That's what she says at the end. Yeah, but also it's just sort of like,

you know that she's not somebody who, drew very more and didn't go to school. You know, like she went to school on the set of ET. She went to school on the set of Firestarter and I think, you know, you would hope that somebody would understand the business better about that, but I also think she's somebody who is used to listening to the people around her who she feels like know about this. And I think she probably got not great counsel. And I'm really hoping that other people

similarly positioned don't, you know? Really great points. Thanks. I mean, I think people are going to explain it. You're explaining it well. Wait, let me just make sure that I, because I skipped over. No, I didn't.

OK, we're good. OK, so quick sand-of-all update. Tom sand-of-all, so Raquel is back on her Instagram and she's, you know, in a garden and whatever. And it was her birthday and Tom sand-of-all tweeted or wrote to her maybe on a, under an Instagram or something. Happy birthday Raquel, I really hope you're finding peace and happiness

miss you, friend. She let that be known on her Instagram and that she also blocked him. And really kind of a great moment for for everybody involved. It's funny to imagine him deciding to do that, knowing that it would be public thinking you friend like thanks for boning me those seven months or whatever it was I'm gonna continue on with my show and my tour. Hope you enjoy your flowers. Hope you're having a you know good day And she just and it was a smart move of hers. There are so many riches here. Yes Resilient fuckboy energy makes me so happy. Like when somebody falls down and picks themselves up and it's like, I'm not going to stop. This is just who I am and what I do.

Being extremely exciting, especially when that person is hot, he's real hot. Second of all, I, the fruit plate down at the bottom, I just want to know so much more about because it is like who festitiously put together this beautiful fruit plate? What intern or assistant had to make it look eaten from? Because it looks so well eaten from. And also there are actual peaches, but then also there's just a little pumpkin because we're almost into fall. So there's a little pumpkin for, uh, for show. And I just maybe she did it and her new venture is lifestyle

blogging. Oh, she's boards pumpkin displays and flowers. He prediction. He's like going hard into that kind of pivot and understanding that pivot is really, really smart. Let us never forget how much money Kathy Ireland has made off of ceiling fans. You know, just sort of let us never forget understanding what your pivot is because like that is beautiful and like truly the people who get what they need from a reality show and then sneak off to the bank with whatever their deal is, you know, I actually have a hard time with short cootery boards. Really?

I, it's like, it's hard for me to graze it. I end up eating too much of it. Yes. It's hard for me to chuck it after. I know it's good. And not have that poor person mentality that means to wrap up the things that have already been touched and are gross.

That's so much of the gesture of it is being able to just sort of say, oh, that remaining $37 worth of cheese. Let's of the gesture of it is being able to just sort of say, oh, that remaining $37 worth of cheese. Let's just get rid of it because I need to have, you know, a refrigerator that looks aesthetically pleasing. But this is, I mean, this is so perfect. You got, like, those are right peaches.

I'm really impressed with that. But also, you know, so much of it is still there. This is clearly a done shark cutery board. They've worked their way through it. Whenever I see a peach, I always think of this commercial and I was a little girl. Summer, summer fruit, it wouldn't be summer with fresh fruit tree, tasted and see.

We do remember that, our show. Okay, that was a commercial you saw too. Everyone wondered how Dixon City Comptroller Rita Crendwell could afford so many horses. The rumor we had that she had befriended some rich little old lady and she had left her a lot of money. Somebody who thought that her family had bought stock and Campbell's soup. I had heard something new was like a cell phone company, like every time that cell phone rang,

like she made money. Like any cell phone. Kind of, yeah. I know that sounds ridiculous. To find out the truth, listen to Crooked City, Dixon, Illinois, wherever you get your podcasts. I wanna just finish up this drew from Real Housewives of Atlanta. So they had this moment at the end of the reunion

where she sang her latest song to her husband that she set on the reunion as he's sitting there. She said, you've cheated on me and all these things, you embarrassed me and you cheated on me. He accused her of having lesbian affairs and then she showed photos of a girl's ass and everything that said, I want that D

that supposedly she had evidence of him, you know, having sexy text messages and he said he was catfished. All of it I said, this is so weird, seems so fake. The fact is fact that he sat there, listened to her saying, he produced the music and Candy put her in this movie called The Pass that just came out on Peacock. Oh no.

So I watched The Pass on Peacock. And that's like the premise of it. Oh my god, this was all fake. This was all set up. The four of them are in it together. Her candy, her husband Todd Tucker, who shot the movie in 10 days at his house using the Tyler Perry connect, you know, formula. Yeah. So I watched it. It's pretty, it's pretty low bud cheese. Took me two days to get through it. Drew's pretty decent actor, Senate low-bud cheese. Took me two days to get through it. Drew's pretty decent actor, Senate.

And she has this husband and all of a sudden this girl that she works with who is the husband's best friend, who's a female. They have sex and all this stuff. And then I'm not going to ruin it for anybody. That's going to watch it. But the twist of it proves that they were acting at the end of this reunion to get people to watch this movie the past. Was it a satisfying viewing experience?

Yes. Okay. A cheese and cheese, but I, and I was impressed with Candy and Todd that they got a sale by Peacock and I think it was smart of Peacock to buy it. So I thought it was a good, you know, move around. Well, I also do love when sort of there is a deep fake kind of promotion kind of thing. It was always really exciting. I mean, I wonder about, was it poorly done if you were like, this is weird or was it correctly done if you said this is weird because it caused you to investigate

and watch the movie? I watched the movie just out of curiosity. I didn't know that the movie would prove that my original theory from Tuesday was correct. Yeah. That they that the the because there was everything in the movie was in what we saw in the last 10 minutes of the reunion. The fake messages, the lesbian affair that you embarrassed me. You embarrassed me. It's literally a line that candy says in the movie like everything about it was set up. When the newer real housewives try to produce too hard, and give you stuff that feels super fake or manufactured, it just feels sweaty, and so I am skeptical of that,

though the movie sounds compelling. I mean, it's pretty sexy. Durinda has a new face. So we're gonna look amazing. By Wig, hello, drama said, what are you doing here with that Dorenda, which is a famous big flying? Yes.

I looked at her old face. Are you implying that I don't know what it meant when John, as Gari, you know, whatever, showed up? It's Sonia, who said it. Yes, no, I remember. What are you doing here without Dorenda? And then Dorenda made the shirts, what are you doing without Dorenda?

I was like, it's actually Sonia's line. Right. But she looks amazing. She has longer hair. But the real difference is what I think is, I think, she got her eyes done, the upper lids. I think she got a lower face lift. And I think she did something to the nose, either a filler in the nose or maybe even a

nose job that's still going to be even smaller in about three months. I do find it really fascinating the way that Sonia in particular, I think, is somebody who can look so gorgeous and also can look relatively busted. It's like on a knife's edge, and I'm always so is to see which version of Sonia we're going to get. Whenever I see a woman, past 55, that shows up with a completely new face, whether it's Kathy Hilton or her,

or she best array or whatever, it gives me hope that if I can find a few months off, I can come back as like a completely different person. Yes. And I would tell everybody that, well, I would have to. Unless I just want to actually leave the earth and come back as a different person. And also just that thing of like getting the good work done in just the right way.

There are the people who come and it's just like, you've had a bunch of work and then there are the people who come back and you're just like, I went to a retreat. Yes, you look so refreshed. Amy Schumer talked about this on Tuesday. She made a little funny joke through a photo of Nicole Kinman at the gate at the Wios Open and said, this is how humans sit. She got a lot of shit for it.

So then she did another post and she said, I'm sorry for my post, but maybe the cast of the 70s show can write me a letter. Wait, what did she write? What did she say? She said, I want to apologize to all the people I hurt posting on a photo of Nicole Kinman and alluding to her being an alien. I will be asking the cast of that 70s show to write letters advocating for my forgiveness, then she had to remove that too. Anyway, I thought that was very pretty funny.

I mean, it's all very funny. I understand that we have to come, like, that everyone is very self-conscious about like, are we shaming people, is what we're doing sort of perpetuating negative stereotypes, but it's also like, there used to be a tradition and comedy of sort of like, lashing, getting to take a shot at the people who were gorgeous and rich and felt like you had everything. And there is also an interesting way that, like, it is easy for somebody as they rise as a comedian

to not realize that they are in greater position of power. You know that's exactly what I said. It's okay so you can't punch down, but you can punch up. And I think this should be a lesson to her to be like, wow, I've really made it because people, I almost feel like if I had made that joke, I would not know one would have cared.

Yes. Because they would have been like, oh, you wish you were in a cold, Kenmin, you stupid loser. Right. You wish you'll never get a seat at the tennis open. Yeah. But Amy Schumer could have a seat at the tennis open.

The thing is, I have trouble with the idea of punching up and punching down because I think the world is more sophisticated than that. And even as though you can simply put on a hierarchy, everyone is really, really stupid. And yes, everyone's had to go through stuff. But like what real harm is there from, you know, pointing out that, like, Nicole Kidmin is someone who is famous for poise, who is famous for positioning. We all go to the AMC theater and recite along with her, like, incantation before the movie because she is giving us poise and angles at every moment.

And, you know, this is Amy's way of of saying like, she's a different kind of person than I am. Right. This is ridiculous. And I think having more of a sense of humility as a comedian about the stuff you say and people pushing back. But I think everyone also being able to have more of a sense of humor about it. Yeah.

I mean, it's about I could get it. She's probably like, oh, fuck, I have to take that one down to. I don't think it's okay. The thing is, it's like, this also, again, it's very, very funny. I also understand the argument that anytime you are getting close to rape and people who have victims of a terrible crime, that like making light of it from any angle is hard.

But also, but also there were so many stories about, oh my God, can you believe that this happened about the two of them that isn't that also profiting off of the story of somebody? Why are these news stories not also being criticized for profiting off of the scandal of the city? I mean, they kind of do when you read the comments. They're like really people, some, you know, some of them. But I thought this was pretty funny.

This is from Matt. Two people who should have had better guidance. Yes, so for Ashton and Miele, they did their apology video and this person wrote, I know their PR team wrote them to sit in front of an innocuous normal person looking wall, but unfortunately for them, I have also watched their architectural digest house tour to know exactly where this

was filmed. So their house is gorgeous. They are really wealthy. I don't think you have to apologize to having a gorgeous home, but I always do think it's funny of when you do your apology video, how much little makeup you use, how much makeup you use. You don't want to look completely scary, but you want to look like it was done in the moment at immediate.

So you want to look a little disheveled and a little like, I have to get this out right now because you guys need to know my truth. It's all Erica Jane, not wearing waterproof mascara. You know, it's all a question of how much are you producing. And it's very hard for these people who like produce everything and have staff to produce everything. But can I just say? Yes. In my dark years after leaving Chelsea lately. Yes. When there was nowhere else for me to work, I had to work for Ashton Kutcher's

production company for about a year. Do tell. And I've never met somebody who was so certain of their own intellect, who was so wrong. Like, he just really thought he was a mogul and that he understood everything. And it was just one of, I have gotten to see up close the way that the people around a celebrity can make them think, you got this. I mean, it was, it was during the period of time when he did the bad brownface thing for pop chips. And like, it was, what was that explain? He did brown face and pretended to be an Indian person and did like a bad accent for a pop chips commercial. Sort of at that turning point in culture when people have been doing, but I'm not excusing that he did it. But it like, it was conventional wisdom for most of the 2000s. did it, but it was conventional wisdom for most of the 2000s that brown face a bad accent for an Easter South Asian person or in any way pretend to be gay was just the heart of comedy. Totally true. I think these people who aren't sophisticated

comedy thinkers, I mean, I kind of have just a different scale for somebody like Amy Schumer who is thinking on her own about comedy. I mean, these people who have just like a different scale for somebody like Amy Schumer. Yes. He's thinking on her own about comic. Right. I mean, it's people who have just like are reacting to the world says that this is funny. Why don't I do this? I understand why people do extremely dumb stuff like this. This is so weird because it is like they are showing loyalty to someone who is their friend. And I think...

I just want to say, because I remember when I was your date to the movie that you were in. Yes. What was it called again? No strings attached. No strings attached. You played like Natalie Portman's best friend. And afterwards or maybe at the after party, you went, I think you went in the car with them

to one of the party. Yes, yes, yes. And I met you at the party. And what you told me later was the way that Demi and the girls, his step-dars at the time, hung on his every word. He was like, he was the president of the United States. He was lecturing Demi about the history of the Chicago Bears. And she was just treating him as if he was the most intelligent person.

And it was just sort of, I don't know, it was like humoring a child, it was really, that always stuck in my mind like, oh, that's so interesting, because then when I read her book, yeah, which is fascinating, if you haven't read Demi Moore's book, read it, it's really good.

But I just feel in a situation like this, like, you have a different perspective on this because you are a woman and you have always had to be aware of the amount of violence and threat that is going on to it. But like, as a man, that thing of since me too, we've had to, we have talked more about the shit that you don't see.

You know what I mean? Like, and the thing of like having to say, this person is fine to me, but I am not a person that they are a predator towards. So I need to understand that my sense of loyalty isn't applicable here. You know? I mean, listen, my sister's a criminal offense attorney.

I've had a brother that we asked for letters for to get. So people do give letters to their friends, kids that's, you know, did a DUI or going to, like, the things people do that. Yeah. And, but I think what is interesting about this is that he didn't really seek the right council PR-wise. Right.

And the question is, why did he make such a, an awful PR decision as if his letters gonna really help this guy anyway. Why would you do that when you're in the position that he's in and that's what is I think baffling and that's why people are going down rabbit holes and being like what really was this deep connection between him and the Scientologist and the 70s show and their relationship and all the stuff is that's.

So it really opened up a can of worms that was unfortunate for him. To me, it feels just like Danny asked me. And Danny is my boy with him famous at the same time together. And it's like. Danny was who I called when I saw the woman that I was going on the date with who was murdered. Oh, what? What happened? So, okay. So he is he was part of a famous case

in which he went on a date with a woman he went to pick her up and she was murdered. And the rumors are that this one of the women that accused Danny of rape has come forward and said, I was there when Danny got the call. You called him first to say, what do I do instead of the police? And then they finally caught the guy after he committed another crime and a woman got

away. And that's how they caught. So it was another crime and attempted. Another murder and attempted. And he did take the stand and he was not accused of the murder anything like that but that is where you know again he should have thought about that and that people would find this out and that it would be dug up and it would look really poorly even though I mean no one's accusing him of the murder but some people are accusing of him of not going straight to the police.

I mean, Scientology being tied up in all of this makes me so worried and so uncomfortable. And I always just looked at Lena Remedy in these times to be like, tell me how I should be approaching this. But like, I want just a real, that's a real, real mess. I want to run to some fun stuff before we end it. Yes, go ahead. But I also think we need to like challenge ourselves and push back at ourselves about how much we are enabling

people when we sort of decide to ignore the parts of them that don't hurt us, you know? That's good good point. I want to talk a little bit about OC. Are you up on OC? I'm not. I'm not so so. Yeah. Okay, well just quickly say I've never felt more of a kingship with Heather DeBro. Oh, how did you bro did talk show the game show? Oh, yeah, she was a major show. Yes. Yes. So one thing is she sells her house for $55 million. And the girls are upset that she doesn't find out that the girls find out through the press.

And she kept it a secret. Josh Altman brought the offer. And so then they all approach her and they say, why wouldn't you tell us? Why did you keep it a secret? And she's like, well, why would I tell you? Because this whole season, she's like season, but this whole time we've been hanging out these last few months, you either say that I talked too much about myself and I make it about myself. And now you say I'm being a lufan secretive. So I cannot win. I cannot win with you. And

I honestly, I didn't think you'd be happy for me. And they're like, why do you see Goon be happy with you? I don't know. Have you seen the other women's houses? I mean, I mean, Gina, it's what I understand that she lives in a decent house, but I believe that her mother-in-law had something to do with that. So like she, it lives up her middle class, but not to the level. And Heather, how these husband is upscaled dermatologist, right? He's a plastic surgeon, but they've made a lot of money, a lot of investments.

They have a lot of products. Then Gina is a hard working girl trying to get a real estate license with her husband and their new boyfriend. She lives in a condo. It's small. Tamara does good. Tamara does fine. Shannon is in a niceo. It's small. Tamer does good. Tamer does fine. Shannon is in, you know, a nice house, but it's a rental. This other girl, Jen, she lives in, you know, the Tuscan

look with the chocolate spotted. And so does Taylor, like they need a redo on their kitchen. So you have had it a bro in a $55 million house. No, I don't think they're gonna be happy that she sold it and that she bought a condo in, you know, in a LA. I mean, that's exciting. For 14 million. And I wanna see her go to Beverly Hills. Yes, I mean, that would be amazing. I think she's high quality and I also think, like, with Taylor, the notion of people being bumped up or bumped down a franchise makes me happy.

Let's make this as much like European soccer as possible. Also working on the book for Josh Almond was taught me that when something has that Tuscan look, 80s just worth 20% less than it would have been otherwise. You know why? Because it's hard to redo. It's be better off if you're buying like an older, like an older like 80s ranch. It's easier to update that to 2023 than a 2004 dark chocolate Tuscan ranch. Look, a Tuscan Tuscan villa. I do have to say though, I do like when all of the members of a real housewife franchise

realize that one of them is too powerful and so combine all of their powers to destroy her. The season where all like on Beverly, where all of them is powerful, which is in the land, banished, Lisa Vanderpump. You know, I hate it because I love Lisa Vanderpump. Yeah. Well, so it's good TV. It's a gang up. Yeah.

Um, speaking of Kyle, she just shared the season, Paris with Morgan, uh, wait, I'm gonna make you love, bye. Well, I'm here with Kyle Richard, Beverly Hills girl. I'd never seen the show. I was just a little contrabump and singing these songs. And then she says, I want to make you a star.

And that's what's happening. So she filmed, she shows on her Instagram. She has a crew behind her. We know it's not the real Half Fives of Beverly Hills crew. We know she's doing a documentary to make Morgan Wade, in my opinion, the next Carrie Underwood, with Tats and a little light lesbianism. The question still is, are they, you know, a finger-banging or not, or are they just good friends and she's using her as a project to up her, both their careers?

No. Which I think that is for sure. I 100% think that she is getting sex out of this. 100% think, like, that's an evolution I've seen in so many people in like our world. Late life lives. Late life lives. Also, if it is real lesbianism, what is the timeline between Kyle starting dating a woman

and going on a vacation with Fortune and Jacks? It is real lesbianism. What is the timeline between Kyle starting dating a woman and going on a vacation with Fortune and Jacks? Oh, wow. I think three and a half years. Yes, I think three and a half, four years. They're off the coast of Croatia in a boat. I, you know what? I'm not gonna be happy for Fortune.

What? Unless I'm invited. That's fair. I'm gonna be honest. That's not one that I'm gonna be like, go have fun girl, I'm gonna be to be happy for fortune. What? Unless I'm invited. That's fair. I'm going to be honest. That's not one that I'm going to be like, go have fun, girl. I'm going to be a little pissed. Yes. Would you? Yeah.

Would you separate from Peter for nine months and start a relationship with a country star or a women's soccer player just to sort of like to get to see what the A-list Los Angeles power lesbian world is like. Would you ever go undercover? If I could go undercover and the sex is just like a tickleback and watching movies that 100% I could live with a woman for the rest of my life. Okay. I don't want to learn anything new.

And I just don't think I'd be good at it. It's just to be totally honest. Yeah, no one think I'd be good at it. To be totally honest. Yeah, know what things you would be good at. No, no one thinks I'd be good at it. Tickleback I can do. Tickleback of your arm. Tickleback. I'm all about it. Salt like you watching it. I watched the first episode. I thought that the snowball fight was the most, like it was a very satisfying evolution of real housewife. I would have liked to have seen it not in the first episode,

but someone, them actually getting to do something aggressive at each other, but that had no consequences. Made me really happy. I do, I sort of hope that two episodes from now, somebody shows up with like crutches and it's like you hit me very hard on the head and now, you know, something like that. It's snowball. Yeah. I don't think that's going to happen because

already in Palm Springs and they seem to be okay. Okay. But it's, you know, um, Meredith is getting very angry with everybody and I will tell you right now. I want her out of here. This is wrong. Should we talk about her husband? Should we talk about what's going on with her life? So this they are out for blood to destroy everybody's marriage and everyone's livelihood. So was Jen Shaw like the locus of chaos and danger in the previous seasons? She is the biggest criminal in the history of morality TV. Next to Chris Lee knows best. Yes.

So she has been present for like seven to nine years or something. She has to definitely do seven, maybe a year got scraped, but she's definitely doing seven. And no one gives a shit. No one is packing a lunch and going to visit her. It's over with, they're done. And then this other girl that used to be her assistant

that I guess turned on her and then gave info to save herself and to get her convicted. She's now a housewife. If, yes. Do you think that Andy could work something out so that like that season when Bethany was only talking to her employees? Like the driver Billy?

Yes, Jen just had like, you know, a prison matron that she like, you know, from her cell, she like, you know. Well, somebody was saying, you know, they, one thing that pisses off a housewife more than being fired is when they are still being talked about on episodes when they're not there. And they feel like how dare you use me for content, how dare you use me as a storyline,

what you're not paying me. And there's been talk of like, is there any, you know, retribution or kind of lawsuit or anything? So they're saying she must be pissed in prison, but there's nothing she can do about it. And then Mary got bumped last season, and now she's back as friend of- She's back with no concept of her about her church. No one's talking about the church. I went to the church with the boys. We went to go look at it and it was all boarded up and it was all closed up and it was creepy and scary and yeah she

just brings her bags and she's just like a snobby bitch and she just acts like she's she doesn't talk about Jesus And she doesn't act nice or religious. Well, it does seem like Luan's friend of season was so transformative for Luan. Yeah, I think it really like Got her on the straight and narrow for who she needs to be on our real housebush show and do you think Mary can recover in that same way? No, I think this is gonna be kind of a mistake that she came. Yeah. I think, you know, what was good about her

is that we thought she was a weird cult criminal too. And if that's not gonna be featured at all and she's not gonna be like, you know, making weird eyes about how much she hates her husband that was her step-grandpa. Yes. I don't know that we just need to see her being a snob. I don't think that's that interesting. Well, not participating in the snowball fight was very like it was shades of

a Viva of like, yeah, you think it's gonna be interesting that you don't do the thing. I mean, she was there like wrinkling her nose at it, but it's just like, yeah, I'm not doing the snowballs, okay, I'm not, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's just not fun. Guy, thank you so much for being here. Can we talk about one more thing? Yes, we can talk about one more thing. Okay, I just wanted to talk about, like, there's been shit going on with you and people have been saying that you were homophobic

because you didn't do a video for the campaign against like bands on drag. And we talked about it and you sort of said like, it was a political thing that I didn't understand all of. And so I promoted the stuff, but I just didn't want to do a video because I didn't understand it. And that made a lot of sense to me knowing who you are and knowing that you are a person who loves the queer community But you're also somebody like we have disagreed about stuff and you've you've had a lot of people like push back at you when it comes to stuff that that is politics and

you do Like you create boundaries which is sort of like I'm not going to get involved to that because they don't understand it. And I just wanted to say that that made a lot of sense to me, but also just wanted to talk to you about the fact that these bands, even though it seems like not that big of a deal because they're just saying like, well, no drag around school and stuff like that. It doesn't seem like that big of an issue, but it is just sort of a part of a larger project of making gay people and queer things

and trans people seem dangerous to children. And scary, and I totally agree with that. Yeah. I totally think it sucks. And I don't think it's necessary. And I think parents can parent their kids the way they want. And if they want a home school fine, if they want to keep them in school fine, whatever,

I think parents should be able to do that, providing the children not being abused by the weird parents, but whatever. Like I'm just saying, yeah, I just with that particular thing, I didn't know all the sides. I didn't know what the PR campaign was being fed to scare people versus the PR. You know, it happens on both sides where we hear and then the people will say, Heather, that wasn't right. What's really behind this

is that. And that's where all the layers are. And that's why I wasn't like, that's why I was like, can we just promote the the tele thumb because I'm all for the art of drag I'm all for the entertainment of drag I'm all for people continuing to be able to entertain and I love that drag has become such a big entertainment force in the last 15 years thanks to repulsed drag race and also you are somebody who understands the change that has happened in our society over the course of the past 30 years where people who were silenced and alienated and told that they didn't have a place like are getting more freedoms.

And like that, that's great. And it enriches all of us. And that there are people who are scared about that and are pushing back in different ways. And it is hard when people are paying attention. Years ago, I followed somebody on Twitter just because I like to sit comment they created. And then later, somebody comes along

and is like, why are you following this person? This person who's very anti-trans, like, are you anti-trans? And I simultaneously was like, who are you to be going through who I follow and sort of yelling at me about it? The fact that I follow this person doesn't mean I endorse everything that they say.

But also, once I learned about it, I stopped following him. And the thing is, is like, sometimes this pushback is valuable for you to learn about stuff, but also people giving more space for the fact that not everybody understands everything. You know, is also important because there are so many things that look like a good idea on the surface and once you scratch them You know, it is more problematic and you didn't know it when you just thought you were doing something nice or good You know, but in this situation I like I do just want to let you and everybody know that however much it may seem like not a big deal, like these drag bands are the thin end of the wedge of trying to push back rights for, you know, all queer people, all trans people, and that that in a larger sense is bad for everybody who's

marginalized. You know, we live in an America where women don't have the same control over their bodies that legally that they did five years ago. That's part of a larger movement and we all need to be taking care of each other. Absolutely. And when are you running for- Never. I tell everybody where they can follow you and find you and enjoy more Guy Brannum fun. I am at Guy Brannum across all social media and I'm on Platonic on Apple Plus. If you haven't watched it, please watch it. Yes, it's so good. And enjoy him.

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