Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Charlie Sheen’s Daughter’s OnlyFans, Carlos King on Real Housewives Secrets

Episode Date: June 16, 2022

Denise Richards and Charlie Sheen’s daughter joins OnlyFans. Based on their Juicy Scoop history, are we surprised? I advise on how to proceed. Britney’s prenup and wedding guest list are clarified. Then reality show producer and talk show host Carlos King joins to reveal he’s a juicy scooper. He explains some long time behind the scenes of Housewives’ mysteries. We also cover Nene’s lawsuit, Teresa vs. Melissa, how to save RHOC, Heather Dubrow’s producer controversy, and where Marlo may have gotten her fortune. This is a super juicy and funny one. Enjoy.  Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to get exclusive Extra Juicy episodes every Friday and get all episodes of Juicy Scoop, ad-free Or get access to Extra Juicy on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. I have a great show with a hilarious gas with so much inside scoop. But first I just want to couple to a couple updates. Well you guys all remember Denise Richards and from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and all the work she's done and she was married to Charlie Sheen. They had two daughters. Their oldest daughter Samantha goes by Sammie's. She's only 18 and she is joined only fans. If you followed Sammie's story about a year ago, she did a TikTok. She said she has left high school and her mother's house.

She said she hated living at that house and it's an abusive house and went to her father, Charlie Sheen. Let me remind you of who Charlie Sheen is. Well, he was, you know, this renowned actor at 19, had the lead in this movie Platoon and he got on all these shows and was star of two and a half men Started to like really behave badly on two and a half men and that was this crazy time where that's where he was just going Insane on Twitter and on Instagram and he was Referring to himself as a wedding and like everybody, and he said he had tiger blood.

He, you know, early on, Denise divorced him when she was pregnant with her second daughter, because I think this is girl is the oldest, but she still remained friends with him, let him see the kids. She came on my show and she said, yes, I'd be serving, I'd be having Thanksgiving dinner and he would arrive and then mention that he had a prostitute with him who was in the

driveway in the car and she said, well my god, it's Thanksgiving, please bring either have her come in or bring her a plate. Okay, so I was like, you are Saint Denise. He had another wife that he had twin boys with that also struggled with drugs and alcohol. I just remembered. I forgot her name, but she had a reality show with Paris and Kathy Hilton. Look up Charlie Sheen's ex-wife. She's been in and out of rehab at least 21 times. I had dinner with her mother, Jill's there in Patty Stanger like 12 years ago and that was so juicy and but anyway

at one point Denise took in the two little boys because the two of them were not equipped to take care of the kids. Now I really feel bad for this situation. We know only fans to be mostly really sexy photos, sometimes even more videos, private shots, it's subscription based. Other people have said no, only fans you can cook on it. I think Dorenda and Sonia are on it. New York. Brook Mueller. And the show was called the World According to Paris, but it featured Brooke Mueller a lot. And it was about Paris and Kathy Hilton trying to say

Brooke Mueller's messed up life. Oh my God, I can't believe I just remembered that. Anyway, here's my thought on this. Now he's coming out and saying, it's not because of me that she's doing only fans. It's not because I have an crazy father who, you know, had all, who dated porn stars and brought prostitutes to Thanksgiving dinner and had women in the adult industry

sue me for various things. I'm not the reason that my daughter is going into this business of only fans. It's I didn't it certainly didn't happen or my roof. Here's the thing. I think it's these kids, you know, they're not in school. They've lost interest in education and they're like, well, I can make money doing this. But here's my thought, Sammy Sheen.

Now everyone's talking about you. You're totally pretty, okay? Big blue eyes, she really looks like both of them. Has a couple little tats, cute little body. This is what you do. You do only fans, but you tell the juicy scoop. You tell the story about what was going on when your dad was doing the tiger blood tour for live nation. He literally went on a stand-up tour about tiger blood and yelling out winning and live nation put him on stages.

Okay, I want to hear about that. Do you remember that? I want to hear about when your mom was on Housewives. Did you know about the fact that everyone was accusing her of, you know, fingering Brandy Glanville while she was doing the hallmark moving in Canada? You do that as part of your only fans, okay? And people like juicy skippers that are my age will subscribe. Once you've depleted all the juicy stories, now we know you and now Maybe you could actually pursue real acting if you want to work that hard

It means you got to take some classes and you should got to memorize some lines It's not just Turning around and taking a photo of your ass crack. So it's a little more effort Doing a sitcom doing TV movies. It, it is harder than only fans. Also, I just hope none of your dad's friends or your step-dad's friends are subscribers. But maybe some juicy scupers will, if you tell us about these juicy stories.

Good luck, Sammy. I don't blame the niece, Denise, or Charlie. I think it's a son of our times. I think it's about being a kid of Hollywood. You obviously struggled a little, but that is my suggestion to you. You're welcome. There you go.

Oh, update on Britney's wedding. I just got some inside scoop that the boys did go. At least Jaden went. My source, who I think is very good, said Jaden went. My source who I think is very good said Jaden went, he went with a little girlfriend too and the boys were there. So I don't know, I'm gonna investigate a little bit more. That makes me happy. I hope they went. I hope that a nice time if that's in fact true. Kind of interesting that you know the day

of that Kevin's lawyer said no the boys aren't going. I mean they had to get if that's in fact true kind of interesting that you know the day of that kevin's lawyer said no the voice aren't going i mean they had to get an outfit together they had to show up so they obviously plan on going and they attended so we'll see also they did the uh... pre-knop and apparently everyone should be happy

that all of britain's money is money. He doesn't get a dime. But anything after Thursday that she makes, then it'll be 50-50. This is the understanding from page six. To me, I would think there'd be a little more. I don't think that's a great prenup. That's just like a normal prenup for someone that isn't super famous. I mean, think about it. If she gets a book deal and makes a million dollars and they got divorced the next day, she should not have to give him $500,000 about a book that was her entire life. If she goes, it's not like, it'd be different if like, okay, a normal couple.

She has inheritance of 500,000 a two of you guys get married at 25 and then she comes up with a an idea for a bagel shop and then you get divorced and she gets half the bagel shop to her husband fine but I'm talking Britney Spears talent music everything that you could do with that I don't think that he deserves 50% of that I hope that's not the prenup because if you ask me that sucks, but good for you Sam. Good for you Black China also So the family is saying yeah, you sued us. Now you owe us three hundred and ninety thousand dollars That is what our legal fees are and that doesn't even count what the lawyers are

owed. This is just what the lawyers have submitted to go to trial. So some of these things are like putting all the models and exhibits together. All of that cost $184,000. Deposition, you know, recording and costs, you know, renting us, having people come in, organizing all that, 63,000, doing process servers to get everybody to do this depot. That cost $9,000. So she was 390 there. And then the trial with Rob was supposed to be on Monday June 13th. Now it says it's going to be June 20th Monday. The trial, her, she, suing Rob for the revenge porn. I think it's really good that they slapped her with this money today because she might want to rethink going forward with that case, at least I would.

I could just walk up the street and not go to door and say, little tip girl. Might not wanna go back to court, though, however, I do get a lot of content out of it, but that is my advice to you. Drop it, make nice, and, you know, send some flowers. Okay. Now you guys, I'm gonna start packing, I'm getting cute.

I will see you at the Krug Wineryery 53830 this Friday night with Julie Goldman and Justin Martindale going to be so fun. Heather mittdoll.net. And now for my juicy scoop guest. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I have Carlos Carlos King here. He is just fabulous. He said everybody said what I said you're coming on that you are in actual delight. Oh, that's sweet. I know it's true. Despite what you may hear from the haters, but I am a delight. All right, listen, can I say this? Yes. It's an honor to be here. I'm a juicy scooper. No, like no bullshit. I have loved you since Chelsea lately. Thank you. Yes, I watched Chelsea lately not because

I'm loving love. Why love? Because you're people like really Carlos. No, I love you since then. You Chris Frenchola. I'm a fan. Oh, thanks. It's an honor. You have no idea. I'm like fan-girling inside. I love it. Well, I just want to catch people up. A lot of people know who you are because they should. But you kind of have an interesting trajectory. And like not a little bit like an Andy Cohen and that you started behind the scenes and producing housewives at Lanna. And now you actually are a host of your own talk show

on own in which you have a lot of shows on own too. A lot of new reality shows that people should check out. And you're like doing your thing. As well as having your own production company. So you're still carrying both. You're still producing original programming and then also being a star. Look at you. Good for you.

I like the way you said that. I'm like, oh, you're so right. No, it's, it's a great time right now. Yes, I own my own production company. It's called Kingdom Raint Entertainment. We produce several shows for the Oprah Winfrey Network, BET, Netflix. We have a couple of shows that's coming out shortly. And I have a late night show called The Night Cat with Carlos King, which is every Saturday

at 10 o'clock on own. And Heather, it's a party. It's a 30 minute after party. And where do you record that? We record that in Atlanta. Oh, nice. Okay, great. Yeah.

And okay, so what I kind of love is just that you've just worked on so many different shows. So we have a lot of like old school questions. And some of these I know you maybe have answered before, but you know, it's different when it's with me. So absolutely. It's more fun. Let's just get, let's just get right into it. Let me go right to, Let's just get right into it. Let me go right to, now, was Atlanta or New Jersey the first one you worked on? At Lanta, season one day one. And at that point, you were just a hired like producer

or how, okay. And had you watched the housewives prior to Atlanta because I think Atlanta was the third of the fourth French. It was the third. So I got hired as an associate producer, season one of the real hospital, the Melanta. At that time, the only show that aired was Orange County. Oh, okay. Like I think like season two or three, New York was in production.

Okay. So we knew about New York, but in an area, Atlanta was the first entry point into my reality TV career after being obsessed over Laguna Beach and the hills. I am where I'm at because I was obsessed with the hills. I have all the black people at BET. I was working there at the time. They're like, what are you watching? I said, as Call of the Hills, Heather, 99% of the Black people

at B.E.T. was like, this is the best show we've seen since like days of our lives. They loved it too. They loved it. Once you turn them on to it. I turn them on to it. I said, this is Spencer, that's Heidi, that's LC. And my friend who was working at B-T at the time, she

saw that I was obsessed with the hills. And she said, I got this job opportunity to do this reality show in Atlanta. It's called Ladies of Hot Atlanta. All right. I said bitch, say less. Heather, I left New York City, moved to Atlanta. Where did you grow up? In Detroit, Michigan.

Okay. I left Detroit because I said I need to get out of here and make something of myself. Yeah. So I moved to New York. Right, and then go to Atlanta. Move to Atlanta. And the first day of filming, I was introduced to Neenie Leakes.

She said, hey bitch. And in that moment, I knew we were goingenie Leaks. She said, hey, bitch. And in that moment, I knew we were going to be friends forever. You know, I noticed that the black women call each other bitch. He's so predominant. And the last episode, Marlowe, is really feel it herself. And she's really throwing the bitch around and the sex shaming and the ripping on people's husbands.

And since we're talking about Marlo real quick, will we ever see these old white men that have supplied her with her lifestyle that all the other women reference? Where is her big papa? I know, listen, and I met Big Papa, you know, back in the day, season two, I met Big Papa. You did.

He's not big at all. He's at least Persian, right? Yes. Okay. There's nothing big about him. I've known Marlow since season four. Uh-huh. And I've been on double dates with Marlow.

There has never been an old white man. Who is it? That's the thing, it's like this mystery. So look, when Marlow first got on the show, at that time, she was seeing an older white gentleman. Okay. Who afforded the lifestyle that she was living at the time.

It wasn't the same guy that Anna Cole was murdered. Okay. It wasn't the same guy that, that Ann Nicole was murdered. Oh, was that the amazing, like, how, I'm gonna produce that? Absolutely. How amazing if like someone's just walking through a house and they just like see this photo and it's like him. And she's like standing up. Okay, so you did enjoy a dinner. You know, I've had dinners with Marlowe and her partner

at the time. They were never old white men. Okay. So what's interesting is. But there was one. There was one. Yes. And she's honest about one.

So I don't think you'll see any currently. She's still single. I talked to her all the time. We were texting this morning. And I mean, I like her. I'm thrilled that she's a regular. Yeah, listen, she's there to stir the pot. You know what's interesting is that

some of the juicy scupers this woman one wrote, I'm watching and Landa this season. I just realized, Porsche is not on it. Oh. Like I'm a little, the person, I just realized, Porsche's not on it. Oh. Like, I'm a little, the person, I'm a little surprised, I'm not missing Porsche at all. Oh wow. Did you notice her absence? No, not till she brought it up.

I kind of really didn't. I mean, I felt like Nini was a big absence, but now that it's been many years since she's been a regular, I kind of like, it's fine. You know, I think it's fun to have new women come, like you need new stories. But as far as Marlow goes, also I... Let's just say I was interested to see why Fadre was in Dubai because I would think Marlow might have had a history in Dubai And I think you know what I'm getting at well allegedly I just found a girl on TikTok All things that you found the girl in Dubai. I found a girl on TikTok. That was one of those Dubai debut times girls that would come from Atlanta

to make a hundred grand and like and then just like have their brains card forever. But I was like, hmm, I wonder. Yeah, no, listen, Dubai has a lot of allegedly, you know, participants of people who travel from Atlanta, the Bronx, and other places to meet their match whether it's millions or love. Right, or money or walking into a room that is got plastic everywhere for a reason. room that is uh... got plastic everywhere for a reason just let's move on uh... so anyway let's talk about okay so let's talk about that so you started at the end of the met me

she called you a bit she said i love you and then it was came bad wig big poppages and they were best friends and that and they and i remember when I interviewed Kim that she said, like she and Mimi were friends and I think it was Mimi who first brought up this idea. Hey, I wanted to show because Mimi was always pursuing acting. She was going to LA for pilot season and all this stuff.

So you guys put this together and what were you thinking right when it started? Did you think it was gonna be a hit? What do you think? I do instantly. So if you go back to season one, episode one, at the end of that episode was this epic party that Sheree was throwing, it was her birthday party.

And Nini and Kim were going together. Kim changes at the Shell gas station parking lot. But that's what girls do in case their dress doesn't work. Their stylist meets them at the Shell gas station parking lot, but that's what girls do in case their dress doesn't work. Their stylist meets them at the Shell gas station, right? Okay. So I knew then I was like, this is something I've never seen before. Sorry, Bethany and Jill, sorry, Beacon Tamra,

who I love, you've never seen the type of ship before. So I knew like, you girls are doing something that's unprecedented. Right. But Heather, it wasn't until Neenie Leaks, mind you were five days in shooting. Neenie Leaks could not enter Sheree's house because she wasn't on the guest list.

Yes, I remember. I remember that. So mind you, I'm this new producer, I'm five days in on this new career path of being a reality producer. Even then I said to myself, wait, if Neemie's name's not on the list and she can't get into the house, but there's cameras following her, I can get into the house, my name's on the list, the camera guy can get in the house. His name

isn't on the list. So I knew that going in. So when she was saying, what you guys didn't see, she said, I'm a motherfucking housewife bitch. Let me in. I'm a housewife. You'll see these fucking cameras following me. And he goes, I was told on your strict instructions. If your name is not on the list, you can't come in. I knew that night. This show was going to be a phenomenon because I've never seen anyone get played so deliciously. And so you give all that credit to Shirei. Shirei is a Uncred it, producer. And on my podcast, she admitted that she left his name off the list on Barbies.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, great television. Speaking of Shibai Shirei, well, she fell in love. Love after lockup style. With a cat named Ty wrote. Even the name is like, are you kidding me on this name? Like Tyrone. Like if you're going to write a scripted show and someone goes, and then the guy's name Tyrone, you'd be like, can we just make it Michael? Like, can we not be so? Yeah, can we not? It's Tyrone. So, and now in that case, you know, not only doesn't does he not show up for the Philly

cute lunch, but he doesn't text and say, hey, guess what, I can't come now because, you know, technically I really shouldn't be on camera or my lawyer says it's going to look bad for probation or whatever. So I mean, what is your understanding of that situation? Because I really, I mean, I did feel bad for her. I thought it was nice that Kenya was a friend to her at that moment, but like, I did. And then I also thought it was great when Marlow said,

now, what if your daughter was dating a convict who then, you know, she spent all these years and she gave them the second chance, which she wanna give these guys and these women a second chance. And some really do show their way. But and then he blew off your daughter after she drove three hours when she could like conveniently flew home to, you know, and it was kind of like, that was pretty good, you know. That was good.

So what are your thoughts on that whole thing? So look, I think Sheree is gorgeous. Yes. And she can literally get any man she wants. I felt so sad to see her get played by this guy who should be thanking his lucky stars that he has a Sheree in his life. So the fact that he decided to blow her off and not even text-a-call her back, I listen, as a producer, I look at things through a different lens, like I'm sure you do sometimes.

Look, I think he was afraid of showing his face on camera. Yeah. I think, listen, what we have learned with Eric Contan Girardi is the moment your face is out there, your target. Yeah. Oh, honey. Google search. They go through your tax information, they will find anything about you.

And we're just talking about juicy scoopers. Yeah. Who all worked for Uncle Sam. They will find so many details for you. I think, listen, I think he had cold feet, and he knew the moment I show my face, I will never be able to live this down. think he had cold feet and he knew the moment I show my face. I will never be able to live this down. But I'm just saying, like, how could you not have thought

about the before? You've been dating for four years, you know she's on a TV show, how has that not gone through? But maybe really he didn't really think it through. Maybe it took like a friend, like a sister. I think it took as a lawyer to say. Okay, yeah, not a good idea. Yeah, I think your juicy scoopers know this.

You have to sign a release in order to appear on camera, right? Hi juicy scoopers. So in order for you to appear on camera, you have to sign this piece of document. Right. That nine times out of 10, a lawyer will look at. I think he simply appears release to his attorney and his attorney

and the attorney said are you kidding me yeah and i think he could not break it down to charay because he knew that that she'd be reading the text and all that kind of stuff so you have any and such are they still talking and see each other uh... i believe that

charay now knows her worth. Oh. Now how now this is a very difficult question for anybody that's a fan of Shari. Shari, Shari, Shari. She is so beautiful. She is. And she really has beautiful nice brown, natural hair. Why? Who isn't charged of the Elvira? Confessional look. I need to know who that person is and I think that person needs to be outed. Where would some Tyrone? I think that person needs to be under the gel. Yeah. Okay. Why? Listen.

Why black hair doesn't look as good? No. Why out awful with when you have really nice hair? Yeah. I understand women today, especially black women, they like to do different women. They like to switch it up. They like to switch it up.

That's not the switch though. No, so you know how we all have a mood board. Yes. Mine is a Chris Evans, it is just Elba, right? That's my mood board. Yes. Mine is Chris Evans. It just Elba, right? That's my mood board. Okay. So every once in a while I'll go to my barber and say one of the other and he's like no bitch, you're gonna look like you. So Sheree clearly had a mood board. Elvira. That or of other people. And it just turned out like Elvira. Yeah, it's sort of like what I wanted versus what I got. Okay, well, it was just it was it was it was bad. It was honestly maybe

the one of the worst. I fade between that and the Neemee Blonde Bob. Do you remember that one? Still chills. Yeah. Yes. Which one's worse to you? And Elvira. Because I think Neemee honestly looks kind of good blonde. I just don't think she's. She does. She really looks good with black hair. It's just like not. No, I like her with lighter dresses.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So speaking of which, were you around or what was your thought about the white fridge? When Mimi said, oh, child, she has a white fridge. That really struck a chord with so many people that own white fridges that were currently shopping for a fridge. And let me just tell you, I just was at looking for fridges, okay, because I'm building a new kitchen.

And the white fridge is coming back. There's a really expensive fridge called True or something. And there's another one called Viking people know. I just saw a really cute retro looking white Viking fridge in like a retro Palm Springs kind of a kitchen. And Mimi's gonna eat her words. Well look, I think, listen, I think there's a difference between the white fridge.

That's Viking that's like 13,000. That you see at the super AMO tales, right? You talk about the plastic sheets. Let's talk about that white fridge. Up until that point, I had no idea that the socioeconomic status of people is determined by the color of your refrigerator. Yes.

Until Nini said that, Nini has put white refrigerators out of business. Really? Yeah. Oh, 100%. But let's talk to Josh Black, because I think white refrigerators, they're making a comeback on certain homes. I have one in my home. Okay.

But it's built into the cabinet. Right? Well, okay. That's very good. Okay, that's a lot of you. I have that. You mean they put the cabinet covers on the fridge, that's what everyone's doing. And so I will have white cabinet.

So, oh, I have a white fridge too. I didn't even think about that. No, I know. I know. As long you don't have the one that's like, you get to like those two handles. And you know what even if you do, shut the fuck up. Like everybody's fine.

Like that's the thing, like people, like okay, here's the other thing, in general women, okay, listen. I love housewives. I've been watching this at Stay One. It's part of my career. It's part of my business. I like the women I enjoy it. It truly is sports for me.

And when people criticize saying like, why are we, because I was thinking about it. And I'm like, God, you know, I wanna be a feminist. And like these women tear each other's homes down and their relationships and they're so nasty. And they talk about your edges are showing or your hair looks like shit or your outfit is crap.

And I'm like, is that really what 50-year-old woman should be saying to each other? But then I said, wait a minute. For years and years and years people were like, it's so gross that men like to watch these men tackle each other and hurt each other and punch each other and in sporting events. This is just our sporting event. That's it. But instead of actually hitting each other,

sometimes that happens. It's really words and I think once you sit back and if the women can kind of compartmentalize it and be like, this is a sport, this is a job, this is fun, then it's like, I think that's the way that we can continue because if you really pick it apart in light of 2020 and people being like nicer souls to each other and think it does seem a little contradictory to where the world is going. I mean it's straight it is bullying. But not that

hot. They're all for blood. Yes. Listen, yes. Housewives because I produce so many seasons of it, I can tell you they treat it as a sport. Yes. It's a game of survivor. It's all about the alliance. It's all about who can read a bitch. It's all about how can I top you? Yes.

It's a game. Yes. It's squid games. Housewives is squid games except no one has a DOA. Right. You know what I mean? But the intensity of trying to you know one up each other is severe and Marlowe is an example of somebody who is utilizing her peach

as a way of saying no one is safe and she's coming for everybody. I mean when she was like for everybody. I mean when she was like when she took a shiree over during the Jamaican jerk chickens party when she took her side and just basically ripped on every single person and what did she say it's like candy can't get a rich what did she say she was like can he can't get a rich guy or something she's dating on the different tax bracket. Oh bracket right and oh she's or she boned every rapper there's no one left and then oh my god who else did she say can you as a videoho right miss America you know F that or miss your say or whatever she was and uh yeah she's you know now she's an iconic ex-con and right and she's like, yeah, she, yeah, why was she arrested like nine times?

I saw all those um, so she has, you know, sub-in violations. Right. She went too far away for a date, probably. Right? Something like that. Yeah, maybe the spirit airlines trip to the buy just wasn't, you know. Yeah. What she wanted, she wanted to private jet, but you know.

So, um, okay, let's go over to let me see hold on one second let me go over to New Jersey. Now what year did you work New Jersey? The best ones seasons one and two. Okay so you were me. So was season season one was the flip right? Oh yes. Yes. And the story now people that have studied you were letting me know that it was you that handed the book, cop without a badge. In which in which Danielle, but her time her name at the time was Beverly, was in the book. Now, get, just give me that story for the people that don't know how that whole thing went down. Yeah, so I wrapped Atlanta housewives like, I don't know, maybe like July of 2008. I got a phone call two weeks later and said, we have this other show. It may be a housewives

is in New Jersey. You live in New York and you do it. I'm like, Simon, yeah, whatever. So I do the show. Dina, Caroline, Jacqueline, Theresa, Danielle. I was Danielle's producer, right? I was Neenie's producer on Atlanta. I'm Danielle's producer on Jersey So Danielle was this divorcee who was very different Than the other women right I will go and record by saying this if it wasn't for Danielle I believe season one wouldn't I have been renewed? Who's Danielle believes that one would not have been renewed. Whew, Danielle believes that chair.

Because you needed somebody that ruffled the feathers. So we all knew that the other women, besides Jacqueline, had this light hot and cold relationship with Danielle. So long story short, we're maybe, I don't know, five weeks into filming and we're hearing murmurs about this book. So, Margie, within the five weeks, look, nothing was happening, right?

It was kinda like, it was okay from my life. It was okay from my life. Teresa was flat, she was gonna get a boot job. You gotta boot our buddies. And then the brown stone. You know, it was okay was okay. Yeah, right? Because you can't go against the family, so we knew that the manzo Yeah, like they weren't going to comfort each other right so we heard murmurs of this book

and They came to the producers and said Did you guys know this is the one that you hired to be on the show? Caroline and all of them. Okay. Okay. So of course, as producers, we're like, we have to follow the reality and the reality.

And when you get handed a jab like that, as it will do, see? Is it like you guys all go with straight faces and you're like, well, thank you for letting us know. And then you shut the door and like do a fucking dance. Did you have a hint of cameras in our production office? That's a car through light. Oh, okay.

Wow, that's concerning. We're gonna dig into this, right? And did we? So, we knew to have them talk about it because they were talking about it behind the scenes Danielle found out because of Jacqueline as we all know now right so The day of the finale at that time it was the standard that the finale dinners Involved the husbands and the children Whether you're two years old or 18,

you have to sit at the adjacent table. So you had Melania who was maybe two, sitting at the same table as Lauren Madzo, who is 17, this is so ridiculous. So Danielle said, I know they're talking about the book. So Danielle said, I know they're talking about the book. I want to bring the book to the finale dinner. Yes you will. She wore LBD.

And I said, when you can't walk into the party, showing the book, it has to be a surprise. You're wearing a little black dress. You have no big purse to put it in. Like, come on. So I said, when you arrive, hand me the book. Okay. And I'm going to kill you when to talk about it. So she hands me the book.

We're taping for maybe two hours. It's awkward because they can't stand Danielle. She's not saying anything. We're like, it's time for this book. And why, this is what I don't understand. What? Why did they suddenly not be able to stand her? Because she boned the 27 year old at the Shore House?

Like kind of what was it? I didn't really get it. Like she came off really kind of nice to all of them. She didn't do anything shady to them. So it was kind of like out of nowhere. Well, you know, look, I think at that time, it was sort of like, does she represent what we want this show to be?

Oh, got it. Do you know what I mean? So she wasn't classy because she's bullying it. I saw the sex tape, by the way. You did? Yes. Was it good? No, I mean, I just,

On a scale from Pamela Anderson Lee to Kim Kardashian. You know what's crazy is that I am not somebody that's watched a lot of porn, very, very little in my life. And I do believe porn can like scar, like keep a memory in your head because I did see the Tommy Lee one with it. I remember the dick driving the boat. That's like I saw it like after doing stand up with the improv at like some guy's house like back in the day.

And then I never watched the Kim one because I used to close the home. First of all, I never fell in the day. And then I never watched the Kim one because I- It's too close to home. First of all, I never fell in my lap. Like I would have to order it like in a hotel room. And yes, it fell too close to home and I just don't want to see it. And then the other one, whether we just talked about, someone sent to me, and I remember exactly

where I was in my bedroom, and I'm watching it. And it's just, that guy was so ugly, he was 27, and he looked like he was forty eight yeah and it was like strawberry blonde with ball and like the new jersey accent and then she was like on top of them and you could see it and then she was just like oh you know how you can't and i so

i could see if that had come out that's why they wouldn't want to be around her but this that came out after this. Well, no. So is this a juicy scoop exclusive? They knew about it then too. Oh, so that had already been filmed with the 27 year old guy?

Yeah. We've seen it during production. OK, well, that's a thing. It wasn't. Wow. Well, no. The history is so. There you go.

And it's close. so no a lot of Because if I listen if I was Dean a man's out and someone said that to me I would be like Carlos do you know who you hired? Like I would be like oh I don't be part of this process Up of like things. Yeah, listen, the beauty of producing that season is we all knew if this is your truth, then talk about it.

We can't alter the reality. We're not gonna say, oh well, bye, no, talk about it. So when Danielle came to the finale dinner, she wanted to talk about it. So we're shooting for an hour and a half. We're like, it's time for the book. So I crawled on my knees underneath the table, holding this hard copy, not paperback.

So it was a little heavy. And I placed the book next to Danielle's ankle. I tapped her on the ankle. You know I was a leg bottle. Oh yeah! Yes, I'm a couple. I love you. Yes, I tap her on the ankle.

The famous legs. I'm sure it's the shirt. It's the shirt's a top model. Yeah, the shirt legs for a million dollars. Yes. And I'm like, this is your cue. And she reaches underneath the table because I'm like, boo, boo, and we sort of like meat,

you know, two ships passing in the night. And she brings the buck on the table. And the rest is history. So look, I love Teresa to reason our great friends today. Are you going to the wedding? You know what? I haven't received my melon invitation that Ramona received who you've known for five months the wedding? You know what? I haven't received my melon invitation that Ramona received who you've known for five months. Okay, you know what? I really think

it's actually pretty upsetting that you weren't invited, being that you speak so highly of Theresa. But I know that the guest list is very limited. There's a lot of family. There's a lot of, well, maybe I'll get you in invite. Well, are you going? No, I've actually never met Theresa. Oh, you love her, she's a doll. But I have, I mean, no, I met her once backstage at BravoCon, but I did really like Melissa and Joe. They liked it a show of mine, a live show. I like, I know Margaret, I've interviewed Jackie,

Dolores, I've yet to interview, but I'm trying to, and I interviewed Jennifer. So, yeah, you're in. And Dina, and I got the full scoop from Dina years ago of really why she and Caroline, I don't know if that'll ever be repaired. And then, of course, with the horrible situation, with the brother-in-laws and the ex-husband and all that. No, it's horrible. I love Dina.

Yeah. She's a sweetie. So, um, okay, so you love Teresa, but... But listen, I think we can all say that Danielle, you know, is responsible for the table flip. So, Teresa's iconic moment, you have, it's like Scotty Pippin and Michael Jordan, right? Like, you know, that was the layup that Teresa needed to be the superstar she is today.

I mean, she owes everything to Daniel. And I think she knows that, which is why she brought her back a couple of seasons ago. Yes. And I also, I remember when Jill Zaren was, because we've been friendly for a really long time, and I go, have you heard anything about this New Jersey show? She goes, oh, it's crazy. Like flipping tables and stuff. I go, flippin' tables. You never even heard that. I'm like, oh, no. Like, they're really got to like, first of its kind. So, um, oh no, they're really got to like so

But I mean now I interviewed Danielle too, but then she wanted to cut everything out of it So I just was like I oh really? But she did tell me that like I really did go Go through the 19 engagements like keep all the rings what about this? And I kind of like how they're accountable to And it was juicy, there was good info in there. And then she like came back and was like, I think she realized she was gonna start a podcast, I don't know if she's still doing it. And she was kind of like,

wait, why did I give Heather all this like unknown juice? And then she was like, cut this, this, this, this. And then I was just like, it's fine, but like, I just don't have time to do that kind of editing. Yeah. And like, I wish you well. And like, I did enjoy talking to you, but I'm not going to, you know, spend 20 hours editing

a podcast like so. So, but yeah, so okay, so all good. Now, where, now what is your understanding of, was it the chicken or the egg when it comes to Melissa and Teresa? Was Teresa Knowing that if you guys found Melissa and Joe you'd want them on the show so that she purposely never invited them to anything Where you might meet her then and then somehow you guys found them found her on your own and them and then somehow you guys found them all found her on your own and pursued her and then told her don't let Theresa know that we're gonna that you're gonna hire her and then

Theresa felt like she was blindsided but in the end she wasn't being a cool sister-in-law she was deliberately trying to keep Melissa and Joe from ever meeting guys and having the opportunity to have the stardom that she and now they both share. That's not true. It isn't. What I have been thinking the wrong thing this whole time. That's not true. Well, what do you tell you? You my girls spill it. So look, I produce seasons one and two. Yes. Melissa and Joe came on season three. Right. I'm gonna give you the juicy scoop of a scoop. Okay. So listen up scoopers. I met Melissa

Season two where at um at um at the post At Audreana'sening, she was there. Oh, okay. So this rumor, uh, but that christening wasn't filmed or that was? It was filmed. Oh, that's how you met her. Oh, okay.

Yeah. It was, she was so, but she was not featured in any way. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, no, because the thing is this, she wasn't the focus. Right.

So as you know, when I go to these parties, Yeah. People have been like, Heather, it's like, where is Waldo? Like, yeah. I went to a lot of them in the beginning, and then I started turning them down. Yeah. Because almost a little embarrassing.

Because you just don't know if you're going to make the cut or not. And also, you feel like, here's your person who's your real friend, but you want to talk to them, or you want to talk to all of them. But then you see that they're obviously talking about a storyline and you're like, I don't want to waste anyone's time. I don't want the producer to get mad at me.

I don't want them to shoe me away. Yeah. Like, it's just embarrassing. And that's why there's eight people at these parties. Exactly. Because anybody that's gone a few times is like, I'm stop inviting me, Heather DeBro. I don't want to go. You know, it's like not as fun as the fun thing. It's not.

It's not. So this rumor that they were invited to things, I can say to you, face to face, I met Melissa. Wow. Face to face. And when you met her face to face, was she at all pitching herself? Not to me. She was friendly to me. Okay. So she was there. They were invited. When you're shooting a show like that, our focus is on the people who are getting paid.

Right. Right. Not the ancillary characters. No respect to them. Yes. So that's not true. Now, I left after season two, that whole like posh fashion show, Chasing Down the Country Club, all those things, right? So I left after season two, I get a phone call a week before season three was filming. Okay. Okay, Theresa calls me, because I was her producer season two. Okay. She said, oh my gosh,

I just learned that my sister and law and my brother are cast members on this show. I did not know that until now. She had no idea. And this is before the... This is a week before filming where it's supposed to commence. This is before the famous other baptism. Yes.

Which was Joe and Melissa's baptism. Exactly. Okay. So, she had no idea. She called me, freaking out. What should I do? I don't know, Carl, this is crazy, that's my family. I don't know, fuck my family. She was freaking out.

Because she knew that the show required fighting at this point? Well, I think she knew that at that time, they probably weren't at the best place. Oh. But she, so when she knew that at that time, they probably weren't at the best place. Oh. But she, so when she said she was blindsided, I can, what I can say to you is the truth that I know. I do believe she was blindsided.

She had no idea. That part I do believe she was blindsided. She had no idea. She found out because they finally revealed to her not data producers that, you know, she's a law, and your brother on the show, you have to go to this christening yeah and we're gonna be there which is the first day of filming.

That's how she found out. So and why was Joe Gorgah so jealous or angry about his dad being close to Teresa's husband, Joe. Like that, I thought was so, remember he like, yeah, he was like, you're not gonna let me go! Yeah, yeah, yeah. So listen, I'm in Purdue season three. So I can tell you what I know being Teresa's producer for the first two seasons.

Teresa, 100% took care of her parents. She was there, 21st, 7th. She dropped everything for her mom and dad. She literally did everything for them. It seemed like that, I think. And I think the jealousy may have come from the fact that at the end of the day, when you have one other sibling and the other sibling may not do it much for the family.

For the elderly parents. Yeah, it's just very true. Yeah. That's a lot. There you go. So I think it could be seen as your favorite. Teresa did everything for them. And we saw that.

She had her father move in with her. She did everything for them. And I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that, you know, there were some jealousy, in my opinion, based on my conversations with Teresa. Yeah, I think it's that, and then I think it's also like, with anything, even if it's like a best friend or whatever, you're like, oh, I kind of just wanted this to be my thing.

Oh yeah. Or wanted this to be my group of friends, right? I wanted to end now. One hundred percent, one hundred percent, I think at the end of the day, Teresa came into this reality show world wanting to have fun because she was best friends with Dina. And she was friends with Jacqueline and she was friendly with Caroline. Dolores was always there. Yeah. But it was always always Teresa and Dina. And I think after Dina left season two, Teresa knew that the success of the show rested on her shoulders and she became as this emerging talent. And she gives

everything to the show. So the fact that you now have to share this with your sister-in-law, there's, I don't think this is a shame, who you don't like, they don't like each other. that you now have to share this with your sister-in-law, I don't think this is a shame, who you don't like, they don't like each other. And they never will, and it's fine, they will never like each other. So to have to share the spotlight with someone who you don't like.

You know what I think they are, I don't think they wish each other bad. No. But I don't think they wish each other great success. You know what I mean? I think you can be honest about that. It's like, I don't want you to get cancer. I don't think they wish each other great success. You know what I mean? I think you can be honest about that. It's like, I don't want you to get cancer. I don't want anything to happen to your house,

to your kids. But like, am I happy to find out that you won 300 million in the lottery? No. Not necessarily. No, I've got a big campaign. Or, no, I'm not. I'm going to say I am.

But the truth is I'm not. And I think people can be like that. It's a little over-friendly thing. And can you still have a chuckle with them and can you still enjoy stuff? Oh yeah! But there is a weird competition jealousy thing that you just can never get over.

100%. Yeah. My biggest thing is, and Melissa said this recently, I think, after the reunion, or during, like, great, the whole world knows now that you don't like me it's like honey I think we all knew you two are the one faking for the cameras right you guys don't like each other you'd have seasons where they yeah where they kind of each other yeah it was fake right okay let's get into now Potomac your girl who's not featured in this uh... one of the new annuals monique has left

real house vice-pato macchies on your new show on own which is called what's the name of that love america dc and uh... did anybody had did you what was your feeling about monique leaving because the big conflict with Monique and Candace was a very physical fight. By far the most physical fight I think we've seen on any of the housewives. Yeah. Where like it was very intense. Monique and Candace

physically got into it. Monique really pulled her hair hard and so was there any concern? Like what happened with that? Was she let go from Atlanta? Was it a mutual goodbye? Like what happened? No, so after that incident atomic, Monique had a lot of soul searching to do. And she felt that she wasn't given the opportunity to really tell her whole story.

So after the reunion where she had the binder, the iconic moment, she left that reunion knowing that this would probably be the last time I see these people. She did not get fired. She left her own terms, her own merit, and they didn't want her to come back. They did want her to. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Because at the end of the day, did want her to come back. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Because at the end of the day, you want to follow the story.

And that's the juice. And also like, now, my understanding is that they sign part of their contract in which they sign is, and telling this true, not, they're not to sue each other. Right. For defamation, what they might say on the show show but also for a physical thing. So when Candace then was trying to get letters of support from Ashley to like Sue or do a restraining order, how did that play out? Well, that was a thing. You are 99% of unscripted shows.

When you are a part of the cast, you don't see each other. There is no defamation laws to happening because at the end of the day, you know, they say crazy things to each other. You is no deformation, loss to happening because at the end of the day, you know, they say crazy things to each other. You're a whore. You know, you slept with this person or whatever. Like, think about how many losses we have to deal with, you make the freaking show. So that is the case in a lot of reality shows. So the thing with Monique was, if we're going to deal with this, let's deal with this. Let's handle this in the way that most people would if they weren't on television. And obviously, I'm not saying can't

just shouldn't have done that, but at the end of the day, there is this clause in their contracts about that. And I think Monique felt she went too far. So again, it's a game of tack. Well, you did this, I'm gonna do that. You know what I mean? And let's see who wins me. Yeah. So yeah. Speaking of wait i want to go back to Atlanta really quick what really were you there

for kiminini on the bus yeah remember uh-huh and that was got very physical you said almost got physical it did get physical didn't it or did it not. It did get physical, didn't it? Or did it not? It did not get physical. They were going, they were on a bus going where? They were leaving Kim was on tour. That's right. And they were going to Miami for Cynthia's bachelor rap party. Okay, and I don't remember what they're fighting, but I remember it was something where

Needy got on top of her and it was sort of a choking situation. Oh, that's season two, allegedly. Oh. Yeah. So what allegedly happened was season two, Kim and Neenie were supposed to film a scene in Atlanta. And the producers were talking to these two frenemies and supposedly Neenie choked Kim in an argument that occurred.

Camus were not rolling. And to this day, it's a lot of he say she say, I will be honest with you. Who said he and that, that's true. Oh, I'm sorry. Woo! Sorry, pronouns. Okay.

Well, she said she said. She said. A lot of she say she said. So what's funny Heather is, I was was I was tardy to that party. Hey, come. I was two minutes late to that scene. All I can say to you is the bus was shaking. No, so this is the it wasn't they weren't on the bus.

It's two separate incidents. So season three was the bus moment you saw where she got in her face, but nothing physical happened. Okay. Season two, the season prior to that. Because remember, that season ended with Neenie going over Kim's house saying, we both did something wrong. It came like, but you choked me and Neenie said, no I did it. And she said, you're looking to me and my face lied to me. And Neenie storms off and leaves. So that's why it's this big mystery of dishy or dishy not get choked. We will never know. Because there were no witnesses to that incident.

There were, but they were producing. You have another closet. Oh God. What do you think about Nenee suing Bravo and saying she was discriminated against and that they didn't care when Kim would say in her opinion, racially insensitive things. What's your whole opinion of that? Yeah, no, listen, I think it's so sad that it had to come to that. Listen, I love Mimi. I love Kim. Kim was on my late night show last week. Yeah, I saw a couple of them. Yeah. Yeah. I'd never heard Kim say the N word. That's again, I've never heard her say it. Is that what she's claiming? Did she sell it out? There were some things in there that I think allegedly she was saying those things.

So I'm not privy to any of those things, but one thing, because I, you know, I did seasons one through four in this six through nine. Kim's last season was season five. I didn't produce season five and that was Neenie and Kim's last season together. I don't know what the hell happened that season. I'm, yeah, and I also can say, you know, they should've been going on for 15 years. And just like if you watch a movie,

a major, major motion picture, romcom that came out 15 years ago, you play that in front of some 18 year old college freshman and they're gonna be like, this is so problematic, this is so awful, I cannot believe these people wrote this, I can't believe this is a storyline yeah so it's like you you got it if you're you know it's fun to watch these old shows but like please like you got it and not that I ever saw her say anything like that yeah but people have shown me clips that people of all colors are saying wrong not cool things today you know. You know and like you know Brandy said something and now that and they have all said stuff. Oh, I want to join us here. Yeah,

the joy says here. Yeah. And then you know, there's just been little things like that like I'll just watch it or even like your lawn. And these things are coming out where your lawn does like Beverly Hills like, I don't want Gigi to play volleyball because they look like Bitlesby and it's like I'm scared. She needs to be a model and like not eating a juice cleanse and it's like that's the reality though. She was a model, she was a thin model who wanted her daughter to be a thin like you want the reality and then you expect these people to like it's not scripted so it's like and so and also 10 years is 10 years like so but in her suing what I think happened with Neenie is she

You know to got you big for this my opinion should I to break for bridges? She she was at that place and a lot of actors scripted a reality Get there where you get someone're ear and they're like, you don't need that. Leave the band. Leave the band. You can go solo, you know? Yeah. And it's very hard to do these solo shows. And it's very hard to have a, you know, Ryan Murphy may not continue to hire you like he does,

Sarah Paulson. Like, don't think that you're just going to get, you know, a million shows after that. So I think when she got like that and then she kind of realized it had dried up, then in the climate that we were in was like, no, that's the reason. And had she had other people around her, if I was her friend, I would have been like, hold on. Because the minute you threaten to sue bravo, just threaten to it, threaten, because I know other housewives that have even said kind of a firm email or something. And they're like, goodbye, we don't need this. You are replaceable. You know,

I was just talking to Kate Casey and she goes, do you remember the show, Menudo, the band Menudo? And I go, oh my god, yeah, go, what's it that? Like a group of Mexican guys that they just kept replacing once one turned 17. She goes, yeah, she goes, how's my seat to realize? They're a Menudo. They're a Menudo. And you gotta do everything you can while you do it. You gotta enjoy the time.

Yes. And if it, but also like, don't get to the plates that your whole family's fucked up and your kids hate each other. But like, it's very hard to play it, but you also really have to be smart and you also have to realize that like, you're not Celine Dion.

Like you're not, you know what I mean? You're not a tell. You don't have like a one in a million, you're not Mariah Carey. You don't have a one in a million talent. Like, I mean. But that's the reason why you have the Teresa and the Kyle's who play the game well.

Right. And they are like geniuses when it comes to understanding. Let's get to Beverly Hills. Yes. By the way, page six, big article. Kyle's, you know, her back. She's fine. Is she?

Yes, I have excellent source that she was out and about yesterday. What's the scope? She's not bitch-breddant. No, she's like, was like walking and working. Was she playing fun motions? I can't. No, I think that she honestly, I think she just honestly heard her back and posted about it. And it was a slow news day.

And everybody's like She's a quadriple idiot. I'm like, oh my god like no, okay, so People just need to reload I'll relax when there's literally 400 in-surement accounts and podcasts dedicated to bravo stuff They they need a great they need I'm very happy to hear it I mean nothing's worse than a back injury, but I think she's fine. Okay So

What let's just tell me what you think about really how it's just give me your thoughts on this season have like may I say please do It's one of my favorites. Oh, it's always been my favorite. I the favorite city or favorite seasons. Oh cities. Yes, always. I really think, listen, I interact with a lot of women who want to be reality stars and they study the wrong people because those big personalities that your favorites have is truly a gift that they have. You can't mimic that, right?

Kyle Richards is the most number one underrated housewife of all time because she's not this big loud character, but she plays this game of, I'm gonna move story forward. I'm going to be a little messy. I'm going to throw you under the bus. I'm going to give you great reaction shots. Yeah, I'm going to do a split. I'm going to give you great reaction shots. Yeah.

I'm going to do a split. I'm going to be a party girl, but I'm also going to be your best friend. In my opinion, she is the quintessential housewife because she plays the gang well and she doesn't mind being hated. She's a hilton. Do you know what I mean? Or Richard or whatever. She doesn't care what you guys think. She's the daughter of Big Kathy. Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying?

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Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? the Beverly Hills housewives that are previous actresses because they are so professional. Oh yeah. Some of these rich housewives that married well and have never had to work or hold a job are not great. I can imagine respecting other people's time. No, they're not.

So I can say that's the case. Yes. And then you meet ones that have been working since they were four. Can you more? And Cynthia Bailey. Right. And Kyle, who had to be on set at four years old in a horror flick.

Yeah. She knows to be on time. Yeah. Like, have her hair washed. No. Yes. And get your mums together for your clothing line. Yeah.

Yeah. I love Kyle. I love this show. I think it's a great cast. Lisa and Rana is one of the best villains of all time because she doesn't give a shit, which you can think about her. I'm sorry guys, hey, me if you want.

I love the Force Fox five, is what you guys call though? There's Dereet, Erica, Kyle, Lisa, and who's the other one? Teddy Melon Camp. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. I'm a teddy bear. So look, I like people who sign up to do a show and do the show.

Yes. And I think some of those other women are playing to the Twitter fan base. Would you and I both know Twitter only represents 22% of the world. It's not the real world. It's not your focus group. Right.

So, yeah, those women are still on the show because they make great television. And I think Beverly Hills is so juicy, pun intended, because they don't mind throwing each other under the bus. Yeah. They don't care. And now, you know how people have coaches for everything now. A trainer coach, divorce coach, your entrepreneurial guy goes,

get out of bed, you lazy piece of shit, whatever coach does. I have been trying to have someone hire me as a real housewife consultant. Ooh! And now I don't know, I would have to be under this table. But like, when you said they study the wrong person, like if I knew of someone personally

that was gonna join any of these, I would just be like, you can call me at 6 a.m. Like, I know you've got your producer, but like, talk to me, and I can guide you, what you should do, what you should say. I can help. Oh, I came up with the greatest tagline for anybody to take. What is it? Okay. A, this can work for anyone. Okay. Mm-hmm. You're gonna love it. Don't hate me because I'm generous. Oh! Not mean still braggie, but in the best possible way. And that is what makes a great housewife.

Braggie in a very different way. I love that. Yeah, because you know, all these, you know, the tagline is, and I know people have them with tagline. So first I help them with the tagline. That's part of the package. So there's a package. It's a different tier. Yes, it's different tiers. I help you with the tagline, that's part of the package. So there's a package.

Is it different to yours? Yes, it's different to yours. I helped you with your tagline, okay? And then, you know, we work on what, how much are you going to show in your home? We also coach your husband. We've got to coach the husband. Not everyone could be a PK. Yes.

And depending on your kids' ages and you know what their situation is, we want to feature them, you know, as much or as little as possible. The goal is, if you like your husband, first I ask them one-on-one. Do you like your husband? Are you doing this? So the world sees what a dick he is and you get out with a candlelight. What's your goal here? Oh, Regina. And then she says, no, I really do love my husband, but I'm pretty bored. And I'm kind of a fame-horn. I thought this might be fun.

Great. I can work with that. I'm going to keep you married. I'm going to get you a legit business that not everyone has. And we're going to keep you. Then I, she's a star for season. Then I go, OK, get ready girl.

Get ready girl. They're all gonna come after you. They're all fucking jealous. They all have gotten the DMs in the comments about how much more they like you than them. They feel like all their fans are now jumping to you. So I'm gonna save this, okay? And then I'm gonna, like, lower the expectations,

get ready for the hate, sail through. We're gonna, three is gonna be a little like this. If you've made it to four, we've got money, we've got longevity. That is good. Yes, thank you. Yes. Thank you. Nobody has hired me, except when I did say it to Sutton

as a joke when I was interviewing her, she really thought it was real. And she's like, except when I did say it to Sutton as a joke when I was interviewing her, she really thought it was real. And she's like, I need that. She's doing better this season. Yeah, okay, so that was interesting, since you know, with that whole thing with Crystal, saying that she said this dark thing. Can we talk about Crystal Lebes?

We can talk about Crystal. Go. Girl, I think I speak on behalf of the black community. Crystal we can talk about crystal go girl. I Think I speak on behalf of the black community. Yes, when I say you tried it I was with what like you you tried to make something Notivated it wasn't the case and listen I was with Garsell because I'm gonna say to you That's a black person and again, I don't talk to Garsell, but I think what she was thinking, like I was watching it, did she say the N word?

Did she say something to where I can be friends with this woman? So when you hear the conversation that wasn't dark, it wasn't at all, and I think, it felt like a real stretch. It felt like a stretch, and it felt like. Called Dr. It honey. It felt like a stretch. It honey. And it felt like.

It felt like a hot doctor terrible to bro. Yeah. Because you stretch something that needs fixing. Okay. I didn't like, and listen, I think Crystal's a sweet woman. Mm-hmm. I think she's gorgeous. I think she's bored.

And I think she's trying to find her place in this group. But the way that Garsell was integrated so beautifully and was so honest about, guys, I'm not even black girl, around you white women, like do you not understand how I feel? That was honest. So Chris, what has said?

I mean, Kathy, I was just like, just so you know, I was friends with Michael Jackson by the whole life. I'm like, Michael Jackson for Adds is in the donation woman, okay? What do you say? What she was like, and it's just like, oh, it was great though, but it was true.

That was a good moment. Yeah, that was a good moment. It was like, if you would have said, she says something to me that made me feel uncomfortable. Oh my God, what did she say? Well, she said X, Y, and Z. Okay, that's how you felt, but don't portray this woman as like saying something that would really cause us to feel like, wait, are you a racist?

She's absolutely not, but I did realize that, you know, the two things that she said on that trip was, I don't see color. And then she's like, and then my daughter had two black girls in Asian and a red-headed Irish Catholic. I mean, it was like an international super magicozzy. And I was like throwing some carrots and we got it going all, I was like, I think we all knew where she's coming from, which is all just all good.

If you thought the fend it, that's one thing, but to, and refuse to say it. Yeah, yeah. But I do, I do like crystal as a person. And I think it's just a hard thing to fucking navigate. And that's why she's like crying and I have to leave. And like it's emotional, right? When you do all this, okay, let me see who else

I want to get to before. How, one of the Jushi Scooper literally said, how would you save OC? Ooh. Save the dolphins, save the sea. Oh my God. How would you save OC? Ooh. Save the dolphins, save the sea. Oh my God. How would you save OC? Okay.

Say whatever you want. And you know I will. Okay. The only way OC can be saved is you have to bring back Vicki, Tamra, keep Shannon, keep Heather. Listen, I want to see her bring back Gretchen, but there's new crop of women whose arm is current or the past season.

That may have been the worst season of a house-wise franchise I've ever seen in my entire life. How did you feel about the finale song? I did not get past episode seven. No, you have to watch the finale song. I saw some clip- They made a song which made me say, did it really get worse than I thought?

Yes. Oh gosh. They have to say the day. That's the one I wanted to say today. The song that Daisy Fuentes wrote, the lyrics to, who's her husband? Not Daisy from MTV Jams. Isn't Daisy Fuentes married married to a plastic surgeon?

No, this guy that like saying his old song, it was like, you know what you watch like the bachelor? Yeah. And then they like have a special date and they go out and it's like Kenny G. Yeah. And then this kid, this like white straight guy who's like 24 is like, and then we walk out to triple award winning Grammy winner Kenny G. It is flute and you're like, as if this dude knows who the fuck this 60 year old is with a flute Richard marks that's our husband. Yeah, go ahead Daisy from MTV to millions and

Heather DeBro happens to meet them and it was just they had the greatest force some dinner, Craig's one night. And so then she had Daisy Foytas was like, I wrote this song a long time ago. So she makes all the girls get into the studio and like dress up like rock stars and they sing it and that's the finale. How bad was it?

In a backyard. Honestly, it wasn't. It was kind of a catch-it-toot. Okay. It was, but the fact that they did it felt like faunzee jumping the shark. Yeah. It felt like it was like, I was like, you know, it felt way too like, you know, like, again I was just watching a preview of upcoming Dubai. I'm like, I'm, we listen to you and everybody else. You might not like this because you probably have this happening. I don't want to see M sculpt anymore. We get what it is. It's what rich people do. They stick it on their body. They don't have to do sit-ups that can put on their ass. I don't need to see two women and no one brings

their friend with them when they go to M sculpt. I don't need to see M sculpt. I'm down to see other plastic surgery. Let me sit classic facelift. Let me see something that we haven't seen. Let me see someone like suck out the fat. Literally. Put in their ass. I don't need to see M sculpt. I don't need to see cool sculpting.

I don't need to see, well, it used to be the stripper tool pole classes. Oh yeah, over that. Or swinging in the sheets. Oh. I don't need to see that either. Yes. Yes. Fashion show is kind of okay. I only want the posh fashion show or she buy Sheree. But I do like seeing the fashion that I do like seeing like, you know, this person putting something up. I'm okay with that. Okay, so how do we save it so that's how so and so and and essentially you are saying to get rid of dr. Jen absolutely yeah and Emily and noella yeah

and what about Kelly Dodd look she was so iconic her earlier seasons I thought she was the right amount of crazy to shake the table of his franchise. Cause you needed someone to be- To shake the tree and get the oranges to draw. Yes, oh yeah, it's not a tagline. Oh my god, yes, yes. Go ahead, Heather McDonald. No, I loved her.

Listen, I feel bad for her now, cause I think she fell into this deep hole of crazy that is not entertaining anymore. Like I literally feel bad for her. I don't know who she is anymore. And I miss the old crazy Kelly Dodd who will talk shit about people and laugh at herself. I miss that. I kind of think that she fell into a bad part of history in history. You know what I mean?

And it was like- And just dumbing downing on it and just like- And like yeah, and I think like if they did bring her back, I know she's friends with Tamra, I know she's friends with Shannon. Herbicki reconciled. And it would be- And it's like that kind of bluntness and that kind of thing.

And like that. I think you kind of need it. And I would like to see all the, they're basically all the oldies. Oh yeah, no, that's a big one. And I think it would be fun to see Gretchen come. I love Gretchen, the thing is this. Let's see Gretchen and Slade come back.

I heard that it's hard to cast in OC because the wealthy women in that town literally look down on these housewives like your beneath us, right? Yeah. So it's hard to cast. Guess what? It's fine. I don't listen.

Maybe you know those cupcake people, I call them the cupcake ladies. I follow them on Instagram. They just have these fancy parties. They're all about a size zero. Every other week or every week it's one of the cupcake girls birthday and they and Gretchen gets invited to all of it but they're all apparently really boring they're really rich but they're not awful people and they have these cupcake parties that don't eat the cupcakes and they look like cupcakes.

One day everyone has to wear Tiffany blue. One day everyone, it's just pink. One day it's red and one day it's denim and diamonds. But it's like as nice as like a $500,000 wedding. And it's just like that girl's like 38th birthday. And like, yeah. Oh wow. So you think that there's like, why aren't those women on it? But then I've heard that they're either,

they don't want to do it, they're they're not like witty They're not yeah, it's not So guess what stopped trying to make fetch happen and just rehired these old, you know Oh booze and just like bring them back tamar Vicki They're the face of OC. Yeah, now what do you think about when Andy said on his show? Well, we couldn't have tamar because she has a podcast about housewives. I'm like, well, everyone has a housewife. Everyone has a housewife.

Everyone has a housewife. Everyone talks about things behind the scenes of her podcast and no one listens to. Yeah, I think it's just like, get out of here. You know, like, what do you think about that producer that left? Do you know him? I know of him. Yeah. And rightfully so.

Rightfully so what? His reasons for leaving. Yes. Allegedly. Allegedly it could have been the same reasons that Noella said happened. Yeah. That had that had their did getting,

that we were not seeing all the anger that happened when the other little girl Emily, Emily, tiny clone, like said that, you know, I, I didn't enjoy my boob job 20 years. Right. Yeah, yeah. I miss her. The little thing. Yeah, Nicole. Nicole came up to me at a Halloween party. Is she gorgeous? Yeah, she's really cute. And she was just like, I'm ready to tell you everything, everything. And she did tell me some stuff.

And then she honestly just, she disappeared from the show. And I was like, let's not, I don't need to be sued by the de Broze. I mean, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, let me be the drama. It's okay. Yeah, yeah. No, but I look, I,

But yeah, but I look I Have it the bro is just not a leading star Yeah, and when you are a force multiplier. Yes Award I heard from Ebony K Williams. Mm-hmm. Do you know what that means? It's a sports term no Okay, let me educate you and the scoopers. Okay, I will call up in the Queen B's and Evanie Kate Williams said, no, that's offensive to like other women. I'm sorry. So she said call up and force multipliers. A force multiplier is like the captain of the ship.

Is the person who understands how to rally the troops and get them to have a great game. So that would be Jeze a Bryant on Potomac, Kyle Richards, Ability Hills, Teresa on New Jersey. Yeah, those would be the examples. So Heather DeBrow is not a forced multiplier because she isn't a leading attraction. She's not.

And because they rest their, they're this pressure on her to like save the franchise, she did the complete opposite. Hmm. She's not the one that you really remember when she was fake gardening with a hanger chip over her hair with her daughter, talking about the daughter's gay. Someone said it's so perfectly. They're like, it reminded me. Oh, fate, done away from mom and dearest. Like, such a fake like, anyone, I talk about mom and dearest all the time. As you guys, please watch this movie. It is so amazing because it's like she, before there was reality shows, there was this woman who was this big actress who had these adopted kids for show,

and then she would bring in like the publicists to take photos of her acting like a fabulous mother, and then she was horrible to them. And I'm not saying that Heather to wrote is anything but a great mom. I believe she's a great mom. Oh, I believe she's a great mom for sure. A great mom for sure.

That fake gardening, yeah, it was, it just, hmm. And just a hanker chip. Like, it was like, I felt like that was like, what I did when I was seven when I was like, I'm gonna help you clean mom. And I like put on like a hanker chip on my head because I like saw that in a TV show. That's the thing.

It's hard to, it's hard to see the authenticity. Yeah, and what do you think of Braun Wind? What was that all about? Which see her first or last or just in general just in general. What are you? Lots on that I was rooting for her in my tower Tiffany, no I was rooting for Broadway because I thought I was interesting that a woman that had I think when I for a Broadway because I thought I was interesting that a woman that had I think when I seven, seven kids, um, who was open about being bisexual at the, again, this is her first season, um, made up a camera.

I knew it was Doomsday. The moment they were on the double decker bus and the other housewives confronted her for saying something and she cried. And I say, no bitch, fight back, you're a housewife. And she's said then cry and apologize. And I was like, ooh, there's not the show for you, baby. So I think she got the lesson too late in terms of taking the Heather McDonald's class

and what it takes to be a great housewife. I think she has it, but unfortunately, you know, it was too late for her. Yeah. But I would love to see her back on TV in some form. Well, so would she. That's what she's been working for, living in Lus in New York in a one bedroom apartment,

having 10 orgasms a day with her girlfriend. She said that? Yeah. She left that? Yeah. She left the seven kids. 15, 10 minutes. Oh, 15, 10 minutes orgasms a day. I don't have time to do anything, but the apartment is small, so they don't have to clean a lot except up each other.

But she leaves the kids with him and then she spends 15 days with a girlfriend and then goes to the house and then hangs out with the kids and then goes back to the girlfriend. So she travels from the New York to the OC? Mm-hmm. Wow. I don't think people, and I think really honestly, her biggest mistake is that. I just don't think the audience that our mothers, predominantly mothers, they will not accept that I understand men is that. I just don't think the audience that are mothers, predominantly mothers, they will not accept

that I understand men do that, I understand men, travel and don't see their kids except on the summer. The standard will never be the same, and especially when you're not doing, you're not leaving for 15 days because you're Angelina Jolie and you're in the jungle filming a movie about someone who saved tigers. You are going to get fingered.

And I just don't think that women like that. No, you're so smart. Look, at the end of the day, the demographic for a housewife are moms. A lot of stay at home moms. They don't want to see that shit. You're so right. No, they're so right. That's why they, and they are critical.

They are critical. If they think someone's not in a tent of mom or not a good mom. No. You know, that scene when Teresa comes home, I just got chills thinking about it. When Teresa comes home from prison, even though he's like, how you doing? Like, he was that excited. It was the girls. It was all of that. And it's like, everyone knows she's a great maw. Like, you know, and Melissa's, most 90% of

the women that we're seeing on these shows truly are really good moms. There's only a couple that people are like, mm, doesn't really seem as a tenet or way too many mayonnaise or whatever, but you know, like, why Kyle shines? And like, you know, because that's really what we want. To reach the Kyle for sure. And then, and in defense of some of these women, sometimes those scenes are not featured.

Sometimes they aren't featured being a mom. But the thing about it is, I think it's funny you brought up the Heather's team with her daughter coming out. There's a difference between a planted scene, where it's that out. Little planted. Yes, but it is.

Yeah. Burst is those glimpses. I think Doree is a great mother. There's glimpses where she's in wardrobe, and her kids come up, mine, what are you doing? She talks to them, like she's attentive to the children. I agree.

You can't script that. No, I agree. And you see that too. And yeah, and just, you know, when Kyle cried to Kathy that her daughter didn't want to do anything, that was so real. That was, you know, parents, like especially in California where nobody could go to school and stuff. And your kids started to get real comfortable just being at home.

And they got annoyed when school had to go in session. They were like, I don't wanna leave. And you're like, this is gonna be a lot to undo. So I think people just really related to her. Let me go through a couple more before we finish. Wanna make sure we got, how do you feel about Ultimate Girls Trip that's coming June 23rd? I'm excited for this type of stuff.

Let's just say, you mentioned some of your favorites. Would you like to cast another, anybody from any season, let's put like six together and then tell me a location that you think works. Okay. Yes. Can we get Mimi? Sure we can. Okay. I'm Can we get Mimi?

Sure we can. Okay. I'm not listening. I'm not listening to you. I got against it. As the head of this department. I love me so Mimi leaks. Let's just miss the lawsuit girl.

Okay. There we go. I would love to see Mimi. Yes. Okay. I would love to see who else. Because I feel like they got all the good ones. Who's missing? I think you can redo one. It's about the combination. Oh. So because you kind of said these you mentioned the people that you thought were the the four smart suppliers.

Yes. Okay. Um, what by the way, what do you think of Ebony? She gone. She's Denver coming back. I think she's coming back. Really? I've had it on my podcast and- Do you know, are so aware of doing old school New York? And then we're doing New Young and she'd be on New Young? She'll be on New Young. She'll be on the diverse portion of the New York City Housewives. So old-

I believe that. So old white. Right. Old white rich. She won't be on that one for obviously The younger mix. Yeah, it's younger diverse cast. Okay. I like it I think that's the case and that will that will live on peacock and what do you think about Dorenda and not Dorenda? Sorry, I Sonia and Luanne spin off simple life. These are two women who I love yes, I I

personally to women who I love. Yes. I personally did not ask for that. Oh, you did. Okay. And I don't care to see it. I'm, I'm, listen, I like Luan. I'm seeing her show on the 23rd. She's talking me up, celebrating my birthday that night. Giovanni. And are you wearing Giovanni? I don't have Giovanni, but now you make me think I got to like really bring a great outfit. But I will say, you know what, I'll watch it. I do think it might be a challenge for everyone involved. I think the two of them doing one particular tattoo, like it might be a little hard, you know.

I mean, you know, everyone thinks they're laverna cheerle. And Ethel and Luce. Not everyone meant to be a Beyonce of reality television. Right. Everyone, this is my opinion. Sorry, yeah, go ahead. So we'll go back to that. No, we'll go back to that.

And I will get in trouble for saying this, but I don't give a shit. Good, mark this down. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha. In my opinion, the only current housewife who I think deserves a spin-off is Theresa her daughters. I would watch Theresa, Louie and their family like for weeks. I don't want to see any housewife with a spin-off.

No. I don't know. You're meant to be in an ensemble. Stop trying to be the Beyonce, a Bravo. Right. And understand your role in this ensemble. Yeah. Because 98% of them think they can carry a show.

And I'm telling you, you can't. Yeah. You think that Teresa can be the next Kris Jenner. And the girls can have the fun fights that the Kardashians have, but then make up the next christ jenner and uh... and the girls can have the fun fights at the court card asians have but then make up the next day one hundred percent i was with those girls when they were like toddlers and uh... old troll

and i have a a little i was with those girls i i was in the delivery room when arian was being born that's how much i go back with these ladies and these girls. They can handle it.

The fact that Gia stood up to her uncle. Yeah. Which was great. Yeah. That's the shit I wanna see. And at the end of the day, have there, there's so much love when it comes to that family and like you mentioned earlier,

when Teresa came home from prison. Her daughter was like, Jo, we love you, but mom is back. They have this chemistry and this camaraderie that is a juicy TV. So Teresa to me is the only current housewife that can handle a spin off. That is watchable.

So you were not fan of Manzo knows best or whatever that was. Manzoed. Oh, Manzo, I don't think I'll watch a lot of that. Oh, what do you think about Todd Crisley? Oh man, so I don't think I watch a lot of that. What do you think about Todd Crisley? Which part are we surprised of the allegations of sexual intercourse with another man? Nobody's surprised.

Are we surprised by that? But I just think what do you think of like like now? I mean what he's looking at of Crisley thirty years is a lot more than what happened with three since you were you can put the show on hold and we can watch a fun reunion i mean i i don't know i mean what if what if you were in charge of those three shows what would you be doing he's got three shows right now yeah i mean i along with his assistant i will see the show through the eyes of the kids dealing with it. Oh

She'd still have cuz how can you survive this agree? You can't Because the show is was light and scripted and corn. Oh, I know Why it corny you can't call it crispy nose best cuz he didn't know best. So you have to figure out how to hold another show with it. That's a thing. It has to be dark comedy. I'm sorry. I don't think you can save it. Anyway, good thing you stood out your show.

Listen, give me the people that we're gonna go through. I want you, Kenya. Okay, I want Ramona, I want Jill, I want Jizelle, and I want Karen, I want Jazeal, and I want Karen. Yes, that I kind of like because we have a couple people from each franchise that have quite a history with each other.

They could bond and they could be like these two are mean or they could split it. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. Good job. Thank you. It's good that Yeah. Good job. Thank you. It's good that you're in a business that you are.

Tell me about all these shows that you have. So, 11 Marriage Huntsville. Huntsville is in Georgia. Where's Huntsville? That's in Alabama. In Alabama. Yeah. And tell me a little about these shows and why we should be watching all these fun new

realities. Yeah. So, you list. I spent many years being blessed to work on the amazing real house vice franchise So I left this show to start my production company and to create a franchise that successful on the Oprah Winfrey network is great So we have a loving marriage Huntsville, which is the number one show on the network and we now have a spin-off called loving marriage DC That starts Monique Samuels from Potomac and is getting great reviews.

The ratings are good. So it's- This is a DC one. I got a lot of DC too. They're all really gorgeous people. So this show is different than I house-wise because it's about couples. So each show has three couples

who are navigating life through their career, their marriages, and their friendships. And it's juicy because you get to see the point of view from men. They're not in the background, they get interviews, you know, they're just as much as a bigger star as the women. And it's a way to look inside the life of married couples. I love it. Well, this has been too fun.

You are just as cute and delightful as everyone told me. Thank you. And everybody check out your tele everybody where they can follow you and check out these other shows on us. Yeah, so I like to say it's own and popping on Saturday night. So we have the love and marriage franchise starting with Huntsville, VNDC, and my late night show called the Nightcap with the Carlos King. They also air Saturday at 10 o'clock, and my podcast

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