Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Christine of Sister Wives and Ultimate Girls Trip

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Matthew Perry’s cause of death is revealed. Kim and Kroy Biermann’s child calls the cops on them. The Ultimate Girls Trip Legacy does not disappoint. RHOBH Sutton defends her esophagus, and Mauricio is seen on a date in Aspen. Then, Christine Brown aka wife #3 of Sister Wives is here to take us back to her childhood and how she first met Kody! She shares intimate details about their sex life and how it changed over time. We get into the real dynamic between the sister wives, and a proud epiphany that set her free. Now she’s happily married and enjoying her new life. This episode is juicy and inspiring! Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop   Follow Me on Social Media Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald   TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald   Follow Christine https://www.instagram.com/christine_brownsw Go to https://theouai.com for 15% off sitewide when you enter promo code JUICY. Help your family share their story this holiday season with StoryWorth. Go to https://storyworth.com/juicy today and save $10 on your first purchase! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You'll be addicted and oh, take it back to the number one tabloid real life hot cat Listen in, listen up Hannah McDonald Juicy scoop Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. Well, I have a killer show for you. I am so excited to share with you my interview with Christine from Sister Wives. It's everything I thought it would be.

She was so honest. I asked so many questions. She answered every single one of them and is really enlightening conversation. That even if you don't want to show, I think you'll find fascinating. But let's get into some hot topics first before we get to that. So we now know the cause of Matthew Perry's death. And unfortunately, it was ketamine enough to put someone asleep for general surgery.

So people use this, you hear special K, people use a little of it, I guess, to party, but it's also used in medical procedures. And he was having this therapy done, but in it almost about a whole week since he had had it. So they know that it wasn't from that therapy, since they found it in his system. They know that he must have taken it shortly before he got into the Tukuzi because it only lasts in your system three to four hours. But he had 34, 35, 40, 35, 140, NG slash MLs, I don't know what that means, but For general anesthesia when you use this ketamine for that it's between a thousand and six thousand and he had over 3500 so it was an enormous amount and

So what these doctors are speculating is that he must have taken it gotten in the jacuzzi And it just gets to the point where you really relax or, you know, or become unconscious. And so he must have become unconscious and then slipped under the water and drowned. But anybody that's using it for fun or recreational purposes would know not to go swimming or do something like that. So it's really sad, really unfortunate, but I'm glad that we have some answers. Hopefully this be a warning to anybody that is messing with this stuff, and certainly not to go into a jacuzzi or a pool or a bathtub by yourself whenever you're on this. And just so sad, he did, he was able to start some foundations for addiction before he passed.

But my God, all the money in the world, millions and millions of dollars, the most popular show in the last 30 years was he was a star of friends. They were getting a million in episode. It just so sad. So, you know, let's hope that people take better care of themselves in the 2024. Let's hope that people take better care of themselves in the 2024. Amanda Bines, she started a podcast. She had one episode and she has announced I am taking a break from my podcast. I'm putting it on pause. I am, they've probably more to it or maybe not. She's like, we're just not able to get the guests.

I thought we were going to get. She's like, we're just not able to get the guests. I thought we were going to get. We aren't able to get Jack Harlow or Drake or Post Malone. And therefore, since I can't secure those interviews after I've only had my podcast for one week, I'm out. I'm quitting. And maybe I'll be back, maybe I won't. But like, unless Drake comes on my podcast

or Post Malone, like, why am I even bothering? So you know, listen, I wish you well. I hope she becomes creative and, you know, stays on a good path. But it's someone that has been doing this for eight and a half years. There's something quite satisfying about somebody who realizes how hard it is and then just decides to quit after one episode. So you know what, it's not that easy people. Awful video footage came out over the weekend.

I'm not exactly sure when this fight went down. It was pretty recent. It was Kim and Kroy. We now know one of their kids called the police and said, it looked like my dad might have been hitting my mom when the police came. She was in a rain drover.

She said, I just came back from a hair appointment and he's freaking out. So I'm staying in my car. One of the kids called the police and he was just yelling about his life. How he has nothing, no one listens to him. She's sleeping with other guys. She's gambled away their money.

They have no house, no job, no nothing. And the comments were like, you know, well, what's your job? And then other comments were like, why is she still have a range over and getting her hair done if they have no money? And but most of them were just like this is so sad for the family and the kids.

And why are they living together? Can they please stop living together so that there's some peace for these kids? So now she is started a Instagram where she's selling all this stuff. She's selling a quarries luggage and his shoes and all of his items. She's been selling her own stuff for a while. So they're selling off their possessions, but people are digging up videos from reunions of where she's like, don't worry, my husband, Kory is very successful, he's in the NFL, we know this won't last forever, but right now, yeah.

Yeah, we have $150,000 car. Yeah, I buy three wigs a week that are worth $10,000. I don't know. But people are like, yeah, they's interested. Oh, yeah, cashmere cosmetics made over $15 million in porcise like, that's some Kim K type of money. Like, of course it wasn't the last, of course they were ridiculous overspenders.

She does have a history of gambling. You know, it wasn't that he didn't have a job. His job was managing the household and the family and they did so many paid sponsors, Instagram ads and things like that, which are not willing, nearly. They take a lot of effort, they take time to secure, they take time to film. So it's not like they were doing nothing,

but they were obviously living way beyond their means. And, but he did just post like a little thing. Thank you for all your support, because a lot of people are like feeling for him at this point. Like did he run his life? And also they never at the his parents were not at the wedding. And he has as long as as much as we know as the public, he has been estranged from his parents since he and Kim got together. So it'll be interesting to see if he makes up with his parents at all, but that's what's going on there.

Bad bunny and Kendall Jenner broke up. I don't really care. Taylor Swift. It was her birthday and her dad was there at the chiefs game and she'd a cute little like Santa chiefs had on and it was a birthday and he was cutting up her cake and giving it to other people in the, whatever the box next to them. And you guys, it's happening.

It is all happening. I am sensitive to getting, I am sticking with it, I am convinced that these two are going to get married and probably have kids and maybe stay together forever. Hopefully if they get married and probably have kids and maybe stay together forever. Hopefully if they get married they will. But this is a significant relationship.

It will be go down in history as one of her long term relationships hopefully, her last, but that is my prediction. Good for her. Oh my God, you guys. Real, ultimate girls trip, legacy edition, St. Bartz, three episodes out on peacock. I smiled for three hours watching this on Sunday.

I posted about it, I tagged all the girls, I talked to Luan on the phone. I was like, Luan, it's so good. It's so, so funny. It really, I really listen to me Bravo, because you know I have great ideas. And I want to say, I still, I'm going to say, I, there's strong evidence that this whole idea first show

came from me, because when I first started doing my live GC Scoops, when nobody else was doing live podcasts really in the in the Bravo realm. I did one in New York at the city of Winery and I had to render and she was my live guest and I was like who would you want to be on an island with and why? And I did it from from hers her cast but then I started doing it with other housewives from different cast, and they would justify it well. Ramona would get the hot guys, and this one would know how to cook. And then the ultimate girls trip came about.

I'm just saying, just saying, it's a great idea. I also think it would be fun to do more of a survivor episode as well. But for right now, I think we love to see the girls looking glamorous. I think we love to see a beautiful place. It's St. Bart's, it's gorgeous. They have great dresses. They have bright colored earrings. It's fun to watch on it. It's Ramona, Sonia, Luann and Durinda. And then they brought back Kelly Bessamone, who was most famous for eating her jelly beans on scary island and which Bethany said, go to sleep! They brought her back. She's a real turn down, still looking gorgeous. And Chris Tatepin, who's also a model and a mom who lives here in Cal Bassis, who has

been on a juicy scoop. So I think this is a perfect cast. I love watching it. And you know, Derinda is there and she's looking beautiful and she's funny and she's saying all her great one liners. And she's like, you know, Dorenda is there and she's looking beautiful and she's funny and she's saying all her great one liners and she's like, you know, Kristen, you were fired. I was put on pause and there is a difference. And if you, you know what, pigeons don't, don't fly with Eagles. Guess who the eagle is? I'm the eagle and they're like, wait, what is this? Right. Yes. You know, just stop it. Just stop. Then they bring hot guys over and we're just like, these guys are a little young.

Is there anybody that's a professional waiter on the silent over 40? I mean, come on, do we need babysitters? So who's, is there, you know, and oh my gosh, it's just like, it is so funny. You have to watch it, it's so good. They get into some juicy stuff. Of course, they're asking Kristen Taikman about her very long

marriage, but eight years ago, which was right when they didn't ask her back to be on the show. Ashley Madison came out, which is a dating website. There's even Ben, I think a documentary about it, where it was like life is short, having a fair. It's for married people that want to have a fairs with other married people. They don't want to leave their spouse.

So everyone kind of knows the rules. We're not going to fall in love and listen. One time when I was at Chelsea lately, I went on it because we were like doing a topic on it. And I put in my zip code and I did not put my, any photo of me and I did like a fake name and it came back so many men were ready to meet me and all I did was put my real age which at the time was like whatever 40 or something. And that was it. Like they don't know what I look

like anything and they're like let's meet. And so I was like oh my god. So of course I jumped off of it. But basically that is what Kristen is saying is that her husband and his friends, the switch you said on my show, went on it as a joke. But when the girls start bringing up articles from the past, it's like there were 75 different exchanges with her husband's profile and other women. But she says whatever that was, they never met in person. He called himself the Mr. Big of New York City. And they keep bringing it up and she's like, yeah, it was a problem.

We went to therapy, Albert. That was eight and a half years ago. We're still married. None of you are. And a couple of the other women brought that up too. They were like, congrats to you staying married. Congrats to you working out an issue like this, whether it was an indiscretion or, you know,

stage one of cheating. I don't know, but you did it. But as they all chose to a sincere and she think she got out, Scott free, they bring it up and again at the dinner. And they're like, yeah, but you shouldn't be, you shouldn't be okay with it. Like Kelly Bessimone was like, you shouldn't be okay with it.

She's like, I wasn't okay with it. I'm okay with, I'm good with my marriage now, eight years later. No, I wasn't happy with it when it happened eight years ago. Like she handled herself really, really well. And the fact that all the women are divorced, Ramona alludes to having a boyfriend and a her own face like Ramona's being pretty nice right now

Besides being really hungry once and letting this happen that she was starving pretty good so far and pretty fun and pretty nice Kelly by Simone by the third episode is starting to show Scary island Kelly in which Durinda watches it. It is I'm just telling you guys. It is so fun and window watches it. It is, I'm just telling you guys, it is so fun. And just like, especially if it's like cold where you are and then you stungle in your bed on an afternoon and you watch it through these episodes, highly recommend. And I think they should do these with like the OGs of OC, the OGs of New Jersey, the OGs of Atlanta. Like that's the OGs of Beverly Hills. I like that these people have history,

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of Ultimate Girls Trip where she allegedly kissed and groved Caroline Manzo and also where she's being accused by some waiter that she grabbed his shirt and sexually harassed him. She is like, no, I hate being the scapegoat, stop it. These producers, when we were in Morocco, which is the one we have not, we may never see with Caroline. They're encouraging us to drink and all this stuff. I just don't think anybody cares. I think the reality reckoning, Hulu doc, literally not even Bethany is promoting that anymore. In fact, Bethany Frankl in the past week has said,

I really love Andy. We had such a great friendship. I adore him and like giving suggestions. So she's like, okay, this last four months of this did not work out. And now let me slowly weasel my way back in to maybe go do an ultimate girls trip or something. This must be killing her that this is doing so well and everybody's enjoying it. That's my opinion. On Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, it's getting really good. It's always so fun. Sutton celebrated her store and Anne Marie, who is an anesthesiologist, Nurse, says, I don't believe what you're saying that you eat less food because you have a narrow esophagus. That's just not true.

And she's just attacking her going after her. And said, and it's like, am I at a doctor's appointment right now? Do you need my health insurance card? I have a pay pay owe. I don't mean to brag. I'm like, what is this? And everyone's like, so a lot of people didn't like the new girl Ann Marie for that. And Tiffany Moon, who is an anesthesiologist, an actual doctor of it, went to her Instagram

and said, no, what Sutton is saying is true. What Ann Marie is saying is a nurse is not cool. She's weaponizing her medical education or experience in the wrong way on a reality show and you don't know it. And yes, what Sun was saying is true. Some people do have a narrowing of the esophagus and you can go in and expand it. And then Eric J. It's like, well, that explains it. Why is she single? Girl, can't give a proper blue job to choose small of an esophagus.

Guess what? Guess I have a big one. It's expensive to be me. E, E, E. I've got the, I've got the circumference of an esophagus that only men would dream about. That's right. Come see me on bed and I'm blonde last show this weekend, baby.

And then Doreet came over and was accusing Crystal of talking about his son because son's like, I don't like that you guys talked about that I drink too much because it might affect my $300,000 of tax-free spousal support and child support that I get a month. And without that, I am a struggling single mother just trying to get this Beverly Hills West Hollywood store off the ground. So don't like get it so people think I'm not a good parent because I don't drink. I don't drink that much. I had my first cocktail while that nurse was telling me that my esophagus narrowing is

a la and I don't like that. I was trying to sell some really great sudden gifts for the holiday season. And I don't need to think about the fact that I don't swallow or don't give incredible blow jobs. Thank you, Eric Cajain. Thank you for also commenting on how I might perform. Amazing, so funny, so great. And then in Aspen, everybody's there, Kendall Jenner's there without bad buddy.

But Mauricio is there with some new girl, just going to dinner. It might be nothing, but they went to dinner and she's some cute Brunette, who is a influencer. A lot of people are concerned that Mark Zuckerberg is building some $150 billion trillion home and bunker underneath on this island in Hawaii, meaning so if our continent just goes to dust,

he'll be the only one living. So either make friends with him or make friends with Lauren Sanchez, who's marrying Jeff Bezos, because she's got a bunch of hot friends that she took on the yacht to celebrate her pre-birthday. And that's someone you want to be friends with when the world ends. Absolutely. So call me Lauren. All right. You guys, everybody go to Heather McDonnell.net.

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So juicy, so good. I am so excited you guys have known how much I've wanted to talk to this reality star, this woman, this mom, this newlywed, it is Christine from Sister Wives. Fresh off, we just all saw the fourth episode of the one on Ones. I'm so excited to talk to you, Christine.

Welcome. Yeah. Heather, I'm so excited to talk to you too. I am so honored. It was so much fun meeting you with the variety thing and it's an absolute trait. The day, a couple days after I got back, David was like, oh my gosh, you've got to listen to this.

And you were talking about meeting me. And it was such an honor. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Well, I'm so excited. I have been really into your show, probably like the last four or five years. I did not watch it in the very beginning. I really started watching once you were in Las Vegas in the cul-de-sac.

But I first just want to get a little history, support, I mean, anyone who lives in Juicy Scoop knows your story. But you guys have done 17 or 18 seasons of the show. And you were wife 3 to Cody Brown. There was Mary Janelle, you and then after you came Robin. And so you did you come from polygamy? Yeah, I did. I'm religious wise. I was in a church that polygamy was one of the tenets of the faith. And it's not Mormons. It's a fundamentalist Mormon is what the church was called, not Mormons at all. But the only part of our faith was to live plural marriage. And so it was just natural for me to know that I wanted to live it.

And I truly did really want to be a third wife. I thought that would just be the best. I thought that myself was just way too much work. And then being a second wife, I didn't want to do that because I thought it would be a wedge in between the married couple and nobody wants to be a wedge. So I really felt like a third wife would be the best and it would be the easiest. And I was totally just down being the third wife. And but my dad, anyway, back up a little bit. My dad married my other mom when I was five.

And I remember their wedding. I had a beautiful dress. And she's been part of my life ever since. Like my mom left my dad and left the religion and everything when I was 19. But I still stayed in the church and I still wanted to live, fligging me even back then. So was your mom the first wife? My mom was the first wife, yes. And then when she left my dad didn't remarry another wife. So she, he and my other mom are still together. And like she was at my wedding, you'll see her as well. When you see it, yeah, I believe,

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number two? No, no, huh? It's, um, they're okay now, like it took them several years, just because it's hard. It's, it's splitting up both the whole family in a way too. And so it was just difficult.

But they'd never like fought before or anything like that. When my mom left, it was a big shock to everybody. I had no idea that she wasn't happy or anything. But she left when you were 19. And then when did you meet Cody and the family? I met Cody when I was 18. I met Cody He was only married to marry when I met him. It was just out of high school that I met him and we just hang out We just had a good time with each other. We um, I know he we went to Wyoming. He's from Wyoming So we all went up to see his family in Wyoming

And we just hang out a lot for like three and a half years. We just hung out. And then in that meantime, he married Janelle. And then we were just really good friends. And then a couple years into it, I'm like, you know what? He's the coolest guy that I know. And he's really awesome. And I loved how strong and independent he was.

And he wouldn't just go by the book. He would really research things out himself and he was in a follower. He was a leader and he was a Jew or and I really liked that about him. So it was easy. It was easy to just, he was just the best guy that I knew. So when you tell your mom who now at this time is divorced from her dad no longer in a polygamist marriage. And you said, Mom, I think I found the family I want to join as a third wife. What was her opinion? So she knew Cody already, like she'd known Cody, like I kept in contact with my mom, even when she left.

And she knew Cody and she liked Cody. And she met Mary and Janelle as well. She went Janelle by then, maybe a minute later that she met Janelle. But no, she really liked Cody. So I didn't know that she wasn't really in favor of me living polygamy until I left Cody. She and then she told me and she was like, I'm like, well, how did you feel about me? And like, I asked her. When I first told her that she was like, I'm like, how did she feel about me? And I asked her. When I first told her that I was going to leave Cody, she's like, yeah, she was pulling me just hard.

And when you married Cody, I'm like, wait, wait, wait, what? And she was sad. She was sad that I was married Cody. She was sad that I was going to live plural marriage, but she knew that it's what I wanted. So she supported me. And I never knew that she felt differently. She was just a little bit heartbroken that I was going to live plural marriage.

Because it was so hard on her. It was just hard on her and she was sad. She really felt like it wasn't a lifestyle that honored women and respected women enough. And so for her, she thought that it just that I wouldn't thrive in it. Because I was already just strong and independent at that point. I think it's totally fascinating and I'm totally fascinated to have enjoyed and watched it for so many reasons and analyzed it and compared it to my own marriage of 23 years, which is a traditional marriage and seen and joked about it and I stand up of why you'd want to sister wife and like at a certain point do you really care if he's over at somebody else's house?

Like, you know, it's nice having your own bedroom and watching your own shows and like, I, so I got it, but I wonder like, I have so many questions. But one is, we see your wedding photo. Yeah. He's wearing this white suit did you wear that white texito for any other weddings no that was a rental okay there's a texito rental and whenever I look at that dress now I'm like oh my god I don't even know a day but looks that dress he's like wow wait when like stop it don't talk to me yeah yeah yeah I liked it then

it don't talk to me. Yeah, yeah. I liked it then. Yeah. So last night in the episode we see that he goes, well, my mistake, it's my fault that this marriage ended. Thinking he's finally going to take some responsibility of saying, like, I didn't honor her. I, you know, she always had to be the happy, fun one and and supportive yet. I could be an unsupportive asshole anytime I wanted. Like I get it now. He says, well, it's my fault because I married a woman I didn't love. I know Heather, we're just talking about this morning, David. And I just barely said the exact same conversation that we are having right now. Well, like there we are waiting for this like a fifth day.

And finally, yeah, my family better. I shouldn't, you know, spend more, because at the beginning, before Robin came along, I really feel like he was very equal with his time. I really feel like he was. And then Robin came along and I think he finally found the love of his life and he's like,

anyway, whatever, whatever. But yeah, no, we were just talking about that. I'm like, how can he just admit that he used to love me? I don't know, but I really feel like he used to love me. The thing is, is when I read the book, I found out in the book that he said he did love me the beginning of our marriage. And that's when I was like, excuse me, what?

We had a lot of conversations after that, for sure. That was where he described the nachos scene. Oh gosh. That you're reading nachos and he was extremely turned off by you eating the nachos. I know, I do. And so you're reading that, like, what the hell? And now you're how many years into the television show?

14 years, truly, is 13. And I was pregnant with her. And I gave birth to her on episode four. That still is one of my favorite episodes. I do have to say we watched it on her birthday quite frequently. So when the show started, it started with you guys having Robin about to join. We never saw a season without Robin. Right.

Like episode two, she's in episode two, right at the very, very beginning. She was part of our family. So when she first started coming into the family, it was around the same time that the producer and we were having a conversation about doing the show. So we talked with her, excuse me, I'm getting it too, I'm so sorry. We talked with her about it too and it took her a while. You know, it's a lot. It's a lot to process and we'd already been thinking about it for a a while. You know, it's a lot. It's a lot to process. And we'd already been thinking about it for a little while. But she agreed to be part of the show as well. But it was the

same time that we went public. So she was on board the whole time. And let's talk a little bit about that. So you're living your life. You're married at this point for how many years before you guys start discussing doing a reality show. It was about 15, 14 years. We started, oh, my screaming dark It was about 15, 14 years, we started, oh, my screen went dark, sorry. It's about 14 years, we started discussing it. So I was involved in a group of people who represented the plague in me to the outside world.

So there was like a couple people from each of the plague in masex in Utah. And we would go and speak to hospitals and the news and different channels. We were on BBC, we were on different things, and then we did like a pilot show for in New York. So we had done some things. And so, I was contacted through that, our producer. Now, he contacted me and we started talking, and then I referred him to Cody,

and they started talking about doing a show And so he just wanted a documentary And it's like look when you're a pliggin miss you can't just do a documentary Showing your whole pliggin was like because it's it was a felony back then. I'm like, well, those are jobs You can't do that. So me going public by myself was fine I wasn't I never used my last name or anything like that But it's going public as a family, we would have lost our jobs and we did. We had to move because of the threat of like the state or like the county's rent best.

So then when you... Okay, so what was your relationship with reality TV going up? Did you watch real world? Did you guys enjoy reality TV? Were you a fan of it? Did you think of what it would mean to be on a show? I mean, you probably didn't think it would go 17 years, but like, what was your, like, how much did you guys really discuss what this would mean to you? We didn't know. I went in without real, I didn't know anything. I didn't really watch a lot of reality TV. We'd watched American Idol. But that was about it. We loved American Idol.

But no, I never watched really much of anything. And we were pretty, we were blown away. It was overwhelming. Overwhelming that people accepted us. I had to honestly, we were really putting ourselves out there because to us, the whole outside world was scary. Like, monogamous, we're all scary. Everybody was scary because I was raised to believe that if people in the outside world knew that I was a plague and my dad would be arrested and he would be taken away from us and we'd never have my

dad in our life again. And I was grown up, I was raised with that. With thinking that the outside world was scary, even though I was raised with so much love Oh my gosh, I had the best childhood and it was I had so much fun and raising our kids was fun Oh my gosh, I loved it But at some point you realize Anyway, we just didn't know we didn't know so we started the show and I remember one time We're out to eat at a restaurant and I went to the bathroom and the lady came in and she followed me to the bathroom. And she's like, I'm a Mormon and I was really opposed to your show because I thought that

you guys were an abomination. So I wasn't in a watcher show, but then I was sick. And I started watching, clicking channels and I bumped into your show. And I started watching it and I couldn't believe your guys' family and I think you guys are amazing and the way that you raise your kids is beautiful and the way that you problem self is beautiful and I love how you talk through things. And now it's a family show and we watch it every Sunday and I went back to the table and I might keep my eyes half to believe what just happened to me.

And I told everybody and I've just been blown away by the support, so much support and so many people that have reached out and said that are you know something that we did or said touched their life and touched their soul and helped them. How overwhelming is that? I don't know if it's like any other reality TV show. I don't know. I just know my experience in it has been humbling because people are always like what you said touched my soul, what you said inspired me and it's been overwhelming completely. So the show starts and how many seasons are you, where are you before you moved to the

Laos Vegas called a sack?. The Las Vegas was season two. Oh, so that was very soon. So maybe I haven't been watching the whole thing. You should see. So to me, I thought the Las Vegas, called a sack, was the most perfect situation for everybody because you were close and you had your own house and it was easy for him to get around

and the kids could just walk across the, but you still had your own privacy. So what was so confusing to me is why did you go, who found Coyote Pass and why do you think Flagstaff was where you should go? I know, right? Oh gosh. Oh, you know, maybe it was season three. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Okay, so we still don't really know why we move from the coldest sack I swear. I don't know all the way. And my kids still ask and, ask been still. She's like, why in the world did you move? And I'm like, I don't even really know to be completely honest.

Like, Cody, I started talking about how it was unsafe for our kids. And like, my kids, they thrive here. I don't know what you're talking about. But it was more like it was going to happen. And so being a team player, you know, I'm just like, well, okay, I guess we're going to move. And then we went to Flagstaff.

Cody and I went and we drove there. And he's like, you got to see Flagstaff. It's amazing. And he and Jnela been there before, I guess. And we went to the property of coyote past. And I'm like, yes, I felt like, once I saw coyote past, I felt like in the coldest sack, yes, it looked like it was perfect, but we were already really broken there. I felt like our lives were very separate in the coldest sack, even though we were right

there. We could, it was just very separate. Like I lived a very separate life with my children in Las Vegas. And I felt like how would you pass was going to be a restarting for us. And we were going to go there and we were going to all move on to the property. And finally we were going to be like one family. It really was going to be very uniting. That's really what I thought how would you pass.

So to me it was a beautiful restart that our family really needed because I didn't think the Las Vegas, it just, we just felt very broken and disjointed in Las Vegas. But guess what? I didn't really work like that. We went to Flagstaff. Yeah, I mean, it got way worse because you didn't have houses to move on to. So now you're living in three different houses that aren't close together, and you're becoming more and more separate. And then like when did you start to,

well, one thing I was gonna say about watching sister-wise, is I feel like you were in believing in the fundamentals of polygamy as a woman. It's like the ultimate lesson in selflessness. Yes. You are to be selfless. You know, you shouldn't be jealous. You shouldn't be jealous.

You shouldn't think about yourself. It's ultimate selflessness. And so I feel like that moment when he marries Robin and they decide with Mary, Mary, you need to give up your legal marriage so that he can legally marry Robin because she has kids he needs to adopt and your child is whatever almost over 18 and it won't affect that person, you know, her child will affect your child.

So I felt like when she did that as a sister wife, she was whether she meant her or not as a viewer, that was the ultimate martyr move. Like I will. I'm now like, I grew up Catholic. So it was like nuns were, and I remember being a young girl, being like, feeling guilty that I didn't want to be a nun

because it was taught like the nuns are the most selfless, fabulous, you know, and I was like, well, maybe after I get married and have kids and my husband dies, then I'll be a nun. Would that be good enough? Like that was just in my head. My parents weren't making me be a nun.

But I think when you're sometimes fed this thing and as a girl, you want so bad to be good. I want to be a good girl. I want to not bother anyone. I want to be seen as easy going this and that. And it's like the last person you're putting on your priority list is yourself. Yeah, right? Yeah.

And I felt like that. So first let me just clarify too. Yeah. I don't know what conversations Mary and Cody and Robin had about divorcing and all of that. Mary says it was her idea to do the divorcing. I don't know, but I agree with you, even as a, like, that it wasn't my choice to do, I was overwhelmed.

I was overwhelmed. I was blown away. I was blown away that she would divorce Cody legally in order for him to my Robin. I thought it was the absolute ultimate selfless move. I thought it was so beyond speed of her and Amazing of her and I I just thought it was amazing. So then I thought it was just super super cool because you're you are right It is team player more than anything super, super cool because you're right. It is team player more than anything. That's why leaving was super difficult too,

because my whole identity wasn't just a wife. If anything to me, wife was secondary. First of all, I was a mom to all of these kids. I was a mom to 18 kids, and everything that I did involved all of the kids and the whole family. And so family parties, family get together, is when my friends came over, everything that I did was all about everybody.

And I didn't understand, like, I'm at one point, when Robin first came into the family, she started talking about, she goes, because you guys are a couple, I'm blah, blah, blah, I'm like, what do you mean a couple? And she goes, well, you guys are all couples. And I said, no, we're not couples. And she goes, well, no, Cody and I, because she was saying that her and Cody were a couple

and stuff. I'm like, there's no couples in our family, I don't know what you mean. And she goes, well, you and Cody are a couple. I'm like, no, we're not. We're not a couple. That's not what it is. You're a family. And so, the whole couple mentality was something I didn't even begin to understand, didn't

even grasp it, because it was so far out of my thinking, because it really was about making sure that everybody's needs were met, and the whole family had this amazing experience, and all everything that I could do to make sure that everybody was happy and had fun. So when you did the schedule and you had your whatever, one or two nights with Cody, would you look forward to it? Would you dread it? When did you stop caring about it? Like I kind of wonder, was there a time where you were like,

it's fine, your babies are little, stay with Robin. Like, you know, cause there's women in traditional marriages that know that their man steps out. And they're like, I'll just put the blinders on because I don't really care. I'm happy to have the time alone. Like, I wonder if at a certain point, because that was always the case, you really had like no jealousy and started to care less and less and less. So it's like reverse. So when I was first married, I'd say that the first 15 years, I didn't really care.

My needs were being met. He was around a lot of the time. He was more fair with his time. And I really care when he was into round. I'd be like, oh man, I can watch whatever shows I want. And I loved it when he was into round. But then when he was around, I loved that too. And then Robin came into family and everything. It just became all about Robin. And I really thought that would

decrease. Like of course at first he's going to go over at her house more. I remember what it was like to have newborn babies. When you have a baby, that baby takes up all of your time. And you spend all your time with that baby and the other kids kind of get neglected a bit. And you don't mean to and you do everything that you can to make sure that they aren't neglected but it's just gonna happen. So I just figured it was like that a little bit but that didn't even out and he would come over in the evenings like he's always adamant. He always says I was very fair with my schedule. He was over at my house in the beginning one out of every

four nights and then when Mary he'd start going to Mary's house, it was one of every three nights. Yes, he was there in the nights, yes, for sure. So after six o'clock, he would walk right in. It's just that we saw his car parked over a Robin's house. So we knew he was in the coldest act. And we didn't really, I didn't understand why he couldn't spend any, blah, blah, the whole big thing.

But I really just, I started to like less and less become frustrated. And then when we moved to, it's like through the coldest sack. When we lived in the coldest sack, he would come over and sometimes I would be so mad because he like, it was a Saturday. So why couldn't he come over during the day on Saturday? I know he wasn't working, you know?

But he's still a little only up here at six o'clock in the night. So it's like, okay, whatever. So once you realize that you don't really matter, then his time became something that was really frustrating to me. And then we moved to Flagstaff and we were in Flagstaff for about six months. I would say about six months when I started just being like, you know what, I'm done waiting for him. I'm done waiting. I've been waiting for him for 10 years to go do things, to go have to activities, to travel with us, to hang out with us. And I realized he just wasn't going to be part of our life. So I started just doing things without him. We went kayaking every like at least once a week. We went hiking all the time. I started going on trips without him. And I became so much more independent and flexible.

And I realized, you know what? He's chosen Robin and he's just going to stay there. So then what's the fun? Yeah. So let's go to the moment where he does the big presentation of the one house. Of the one house. And Janelle's like, I'm down, Robyn's like great,

and you are just limit. Like, abs, so fucking lootly not. And at that point, were you thinking, were you just imagining what it would be like to be trapped in a house with all these people? Or were you like, I know I gotta leave, I just don't know when, like, where was your mind when you saw that big house? Because I thought that was like the thing I'm like, you really so terrible. Sorry, my phone. Sorry. That was the time I felt as if you were

that, like, that you were just like, no. And I was like, wait a minute, like, what do we not know I was like, wait a minute, like, what do we not know as a viewer? I am thought I would be trapped and it would be great. I now would be able to be in a house where Cody would never come to my part of the house. Maybe he'd come there to sleep, but that would be it. So we're gonna see even less of him in one house, because I'm gonna be honest with you, he's always gonna be a Robin's house then.

Why would he ever be in mine? Why he's always going to see in his part of his house. And what we suddenly start going visiting him in his part of the house, that's what I imagine it would be like. And I'm like, my part of the thing, anything rather than just a little tiny place for him to stop over occasionally. I just knew it wouldn't be a good idea.

And my kids afterwards were like, please don't do that. We don't live with you anymore, but please do not do that. And I'm like, no, do not accept the large house. Do not accept the whole big one house. Because to them, when they lived one house before, it was just crowded. There wasn't a lot of room. And Cody was around all the places all the time. And having like individual time, I just felt like I wasn't really in the end, I just felt like I had like I was a wife. I don't know like I was a wife. And so one house meant to me

that I wouldn't be seen as a wife. I would just be like, stop. And so that's I so do you feel like that was kind of your aha moment? Because then you still played a lot like yeah, you still played along a little bit and then you guys talked your individual lots. So I'm not leaving. Not leaving. I didn't think I would be leaving back. Okay.

I would know wait, vaguely I guess maybe Maybe vaguely it was like then I'd never be it yes you know what a little bit. It was vaguely was like well then I'd never be able to leave because that I'd never have anything in my name so I could leave and have something in my name for like my legacy or what I was going to do with my next life. But leaving wasn't a concrete thought. It was only this idea of leaving. So the lots of kawati pass once kawati was like, well, we can't put you with that lot because we before we kind of talked about different lots that we wanted. And I picked a lot and I really loved that lot. And then our next family meeting, he's like, you don't get that lot, you're going to have to have another lot. And I'm like, so you've totally displaced me now. I don't even have a place anymore here. But

the final thing for me was like Isabel surgery. That was like done. That was like absolute that was it. I'm like, you can't because he said to her, he goes, I can't leave my family for that long. And afterwards Isabel goes, I thought we were a family. I thought he was my dad. So if he can't leave, he can't be with us, because he has to stay with his family. What does that mean?

What am I? And she was like, how can I be really when I'm like, so I was like, oh, we're done. I can't be married to a guy who doesn't respect us as his family. And thanks to somebody else's family. If he thinks that someone else is his family, why is he still married to me? Why is he still pretending that Plegmy works? If he can't leave his

family to be with his daughter and I just didn't understand that, it was only for, so it was a total of like three and a half weeks that we were gone. Three and a half weeks. It's like less than a month. A month, let's just say a month. It would have been a month. And I think that's what happens with a lot of women in traditional marriage is you're like, well, I can continue on not having any romance.

I can continue on not having sex, not being loved. Because he's such a great dad. But then when you are faced with the fact that this is not a parental move that you respect, in fact, you're like a very disturbed by it. And your own child, you can't even protect your own child from knowing the truth is when I think you were like, then what is the point? What the hell am I doing?

Yeah. You know, so I, yeah, I definitely saw that in watching it that that was like a moment. And you said what he's not working. What does Cody do when he's not filming the show? I don't know. I don't know. He's not a my house girl. No idea. You don't know what job this is. If there is, he runs a muck all the time.

He's very disorganized. And he just runs a muck. I have no idea what he does. I'm sure maybe I don't, I don't know. My favorite part was during COVID when you were like, what? Just a nanny. The nanny.

Two. What? The nanny. Two. And I were like, what? Just a nanny? The nanny? Do. What did you do? It was a nanny? And I was like, what? Just Cody. Do. It's what I was thinking. Yeah.

Or we don't know. Like, I have no idea. I have no idea. You know, after Isabelle surgery too, we had a fateful conversation about intimacy. And he even admitted he's like, we're not going to have an intimate marriage anymore. We're not having sex anymore.

Nothing like that, I'm glad I'm like, okay. How many years had it been since you guys even attempted to have intercourse when you had that conversation? Well, it was like five times in one year, like a couple years before that. So it was like teetering off to do and then it had been a couple years then it was like done and I'm like I can't why why are we and so it was more like you know what maybe eventually things will get better and stuff maybe you will get better and

Then we have that conversation and I'm like oh Thank you. I guess we're not going to pretend anymore. That works for me. Like, it had been just a month. It hadn't been a couple of years. But it was so few and frequent as a really matter kind of a thing. You know, it just, the thing is this too, there's sex and then there's intimacy.

Right. We didn't have was intimacy, even though we'd have like the act, the intimacy with it was gone. So the intimacy itself had been gone for years, years. And when you don't have the real wonderful conversations and heartfelt moments where you just sit and you be with that person and you really have a soul connection in this deep level of love. That is what we didn't have for years. And finally, he said he wasn't interested and I'm like, I guess we're being honest, awesome. So next time he came over and I'm like, you're done, you're not sleeping in my bed anymore. I'm through with this. I don't care where you sleep,

it doesn't matter to me. And I started boxing up the stuff. And that was awesome. That day was a great day. And so, you know, as if you were, we're all like, why wouldn't Robin be thrilled with this? Why wouldn't Robin be thrilled with now? I can have, he, you know, we don't have to hide it anymore. He doesn't have to pretend that he wants to go over to the other wife's houses because we really are each others like soulmates. And the fact that she was so upset about you leaving and then Janelle not being happy and then Mary being the last one, I think as a viewer, like is she crying because

this could affect the future of the show, which is, you know, what we're all doing here as a viewer, is she crying because this could affect the future of the show, which is what we're all doing here as a career, too, also, is that she doesn't want them around all the time. She wants to share the burden of Cody's personality with three other women. And then she hasn't shared that for a long time, but you can go ahead and just go ahead. No, but I said, or the third is just like, she doesn't want the world to think that she with the catalyst. Like she, what, like I think so much often people in watching it were like, she's keeping him, that's their weird COVID rules.

She's saying that she has the younger kids, so she's keeping him from the other kids. And I think she wanted to make sure that everyone saw, no, look, she's the one that's the most upset that these marriages are ending. So she must not be the selfish one because sister wives are all about being selfless, you know? I don't know if she ever, I think she really wanted.

I looked at the episodes last night, of course. I watched them too. And I remember watching me going, ever, I think she really wanted to, I looked at the episodes last night, of course, I watched them too. And I remember watching me going, I don't think she wanted to be a sister wife. And I would say at the beginning, I'm sure she did. And I think she had this ideal and situation that she wanted. And I'm sure she wanted to be a sister wife. And I'm sure she wanted the whole family. But I don't know, she knew how to go about it. You can't just know that you put all these expectations on your husband, he has to be around,

he's got to help with the kids and stuff. And this thing, I'm making so many assumptions, Heather, so many assumptions, because I don't know what conversations are like in her head. Thank God, I don't have to live in her head. I don't know how she feels. I have no idea. She says that she wants to live plural marriage,

but I didn't see enough proof of that with my own eyes to know, to believe her, that she wanted to live it. Because I couldn't monopolize Cody. I didn't want to. He was a lot of work, by the way. And I'm sure part of her is like, holy holy what am I going to do with him full time I'm sure that's part of it Or maybe it's not I love having David around full time. I love it

So maybe they have something different in their home Maybe they have absolute magic and I don't know why she can't just Be happy and be okay. I found out last night that she wants me to go up to her verbally and say you can have him. And I'm like, girl, it's never gonna happen. I don't know what you're not gonna do. Like off camera, I'm like, so what? You said it here to the world. She wants us to go say to her off camera, your majesty.

You may have him now. No, it's never gonna happen. Yeah. What I thought was interesting is when they had that conversation with Mary. I know. And then she was like, Cody feels one way. I feel different. It was so strange because it's like, and then and then Mary would be like, yeah, but you

don't even want to hang out with me. Like you don't bring the kids around. You're not like, so it's not like what are you talking about? You're going to leave. We have breakfast together every Sunday. Wednesday nights you take the kid to dance. Like it wasn't like they had stuff they were going on. And this was the part I thought was most interesting

when he says to her, he's getting annoyed with Robin and Cody goes, you, we made a commitment to each other where you said, we're, we're Robin said to Cody, let me know when you stop loving me. Now, as a woman who's been married for 23 years and I certainly don't have a perfect marriage, but I certainly didn't enter the marriage saying,

let me know when you're tired of this, because I went in with the confidence of knowing like, we're in love, and why would you ever stop loving the greatest woman that's walked on earth, right? Yeah, girl. So it's like, I think that's really weird that she had ever said that to him. And that tells me that she entered this covenant or whatever feeling insecure, whether that's a polygamous move or not, it wasn't a normal thing that I think people say when they're entering

a marriage. Let me know. I'm tired of this. I like, no, I did that conversation to the place until I watched that too. Yeah. It was like, oh, because I remember back in Vegas, I remember exactly where it was because it shocked me so bad. We were saying in my bathroom, I had these huge bathrooms in Vegas with people.

He was standing in the closet and he goes, I want you to know if you ever want to leave. I don't want it to be a fight. I don't want us to fight. I want you to be able to leave peacefully and I'm all it to be a fight. I don't want us to fight. I want you to be able to leave peacefully and I'm all. But at that point, I marriage was pretty rocky. So I was furious. And I'm like, so we're not worth fighting for. You wouldn't want to be like, girl, we can make this work. Nothing like that. You would just be like, go. You can go ahead and leave. You can leave anytime. If you want to leave, I'll make it peaceful for you, you know and

No, I got furious and I was so mad. I was just so bad. We're already struggling Why wouldn't you say you would want to hold on to this and and we're worth fighting for it? No, I was very and then Now I'm like oh, so I I don't know the conversations all of the agreements. They made agreements that became a word that was used a lot All of the agreements they made agreements that became a word that was used a lot when Rob is coming into the family It was the word agreements. They made agreements like he would promise to do this if she did this and promise to this and it was really a Lot of negotiations that they had and that must have been one of their negotiations And I'm like well once you stopped being in love with me I would have a lot to have been let go. You know, I'm just saying. I know. I think that's so interesting that he said that because you're right.

If somebody's in a marriage where they say to the other person, hey, if you want to go like, I'll be cool. I know it's probably because they really aren't really in love because they're like, could you please be the one and then we can be cool together? Because I know it's probably because they really aren't really in love. Because they're like, could you please be the one and then we can be cool together? Because I know if I try to leave, you're gonna make my life living hell. So I'm letting him.

Yeah, so I'm like, that's where you're like, what? But that should be a sign that you got it work on it because one person kind of has one foot out the door. It's like leaving a job, you know, when you kind of know your employee has one foot out the door. It's like leaving a job, you know, when you kind of know your employee has one foot out the door or whatever, it's like the same thing. Like you've kind of shown your cards that you're not as into this as you were previously. So like, I'm not going to ignore this. And sometimes I think people are like, what? And I think with, I think with her, like, I just, it's just really kind of like fascinating,

it was fascinating to watch of like what their thing is. And now I think she's just like, I really do think she wanted to sit on the porch and be old. And but still know that she's fine because she knows that he loved her the most. So she's like, I don't want you guys all to leave because I like the idea and I like all the kids being around and I love my kids having like, you know, 20 siblings. But like, where is it? And so then when he says to you, when you finally say, okay, I'm leaving, and he's so angry about it. He's so angry that you left because I felt like you cracked the code

of like you you you cracked it open of like this, it does this doesn't work. This thing that you put out there, this polygamist doesn't work. So what I found interesting is that when you do finally say I'm moving on, it was like he was so angry because he's like, you know, I, I never loved you and but I still play a catered this fake marriage and did this facade. And I'm so mad that you're respecting yourself to leave. And then she just kept being like, you can work on it. Why is it? And it's like, I just don't understand why she. And I still felt it last night. Like she doesn't get that like, you guys weren't happy. The other women weren't happy and you deserve

to be happy like she is. And I still felt like she didn't get it last night. I know. I don't think so either. I think there's some sort of disconnect or I don't know what the deal is. I have no idea. I'm just so grateful I don't live in her mind because I think she must be very very very sad to see everything just kind of crumble around her and realize that she's powerless told it all together. She doesn't have what it takes to hold it all together. She doesn't and I think that she just must feel like she's losing such a thing that could have been so beautiful.

And I went through that grieving process five years ago. I saw that there was nothing that I could do to hold everything together. And even though I was grasping and grasping, and I remember thinking if I did this and this and this and this and this and this and our family would be okay and it would be okay. And it was okay for a little bit longer again.

And then I just realized I was the only one putting in effort and doing things together. I thought that's how I felt. I'm sure everybody feels the same. But I think that it's just gotta be hard to be in her shoes and realize that she doesn't have the power to hold the family together. And I don't know.

I don't talk to her. I honestly don't know. I don't talk to her. I honestly don't. So when Mary, when he said last night, Mary found Robin. You guys said, you had been living together, you know, been living as a family with just the three wives and Cody. When, so for like 13 years,

nobody talked about bringing on a fourth wife. How did this come about then? So on and off, we did talk about bringing in another wife. There was a couple of times where another woman was interested in joining the family. And like one of the women that were interested was just interested in a relationship with Cody alone. And I'm like, nah, that's not going to work for us. And then there was another woman who was interested

and that one going all right, but then all of a sudden that was shut down. So that was over. But we were interested in, there's another couple of women that wanted to join our family that we talked to for a bit. But it was just something when you live plural marriage, you're never really...

You're not wondering, you're not wondering about those other, do you ever wonder about those other women like what if? Yeah. That was the one that you pushed for where things could have gone. I know. I know. I don't know. There was a woman that he was interested in.

He was even like engaged to and he called off the wedding before. He was all married to Mary and then he, there was this other woman that he dated and I wasn't a big fan of hers. And so I was like, well like well if Mary's her I'm not going to marry him that's all that comes down to and he called off the wedding like a week before they got married and then I was like oh my guess I could marry Kodia again you know I mean it is like a difference like the women make a big difference yes so um so So, you got married. We loved meeting your husband now. We're gonna see the wedding.

And I do love that moment last night when you're like, when I'm alone with David and I feel so connected. And then you were like, now I get it. Now I get why he wanted to stay there, what their connection was. And like, I think it's kind of, you know, an epiphany for you too, I get why he wanted to stay there, what their connection was. And like, I think it's kind of, you know, an epiphany for you too, of like, an aselpless,

you know, and being just honest, like, it's not their fault that they had a stronger bond than you and he had. Like, it's not. I firmly still to fake it. But like, let's not fake it anymore. When you're only, you know, you still have, we might live to where 100. You still have a whole nether half of your life to live. I know.

I just want to be happy. I want them to be so happy. Once I had that realization moment, I was like, ah, then they probably felt trapped. And I wonder if Cody would have loved to have a conversation with us. Something like, hey, I just met the love of my life. And she's amazing. And we have this incredible bond. And I didn't realize that what we had wasn't as strong.

But I still honor our relationship. But I wish that maybe he didn't feel like that was even anything, I don't know, I don't know if even consciously he had that, that I think that he just thinks I wasn't in love with them. Now that he sees he's so in love with Rob, and I think that he was like, I wasn't in love with them. And I think that he was, I remember feeling like he loved me, I don't know. But I

the other I was standing in my kitchen and just I realized I love David. I know it was such a crazy epiphany. And it's going to be one of my favorite epiphany's I ever had because they let go of any anger or frustration. Yeah. It wasn't their fault. Love just happens. But it happens. You want to embrace it and just go forward and move forward in happiness. And I want them to move forward with happiness too and just go and live your life. But I think also how Cody treated you guys

to get you to the place of leaving. A lot of men do that. A lot of men don't have the balls to say what they feel and break up. I saw something where this divorce attorney said, she'd been an attorney for 30 years. She said only in two cases did a man file for divorce who didn't already have a woman lined up.

But in like 80% of her cases where the woman filed, she had nobody lined up. She was just so sick of the husband. So I do feel like men sometimes get to a point, whether it's conscious or not, to have the women sort of make the decision for them. So we can be mad at colleagues, but I think a lot of people can say,

yeah, and looking back up my own normal marriage. The husband treated me bad, or the boyfriend, or whatever. You know? I think what I went through was normal. What I went through, it's just mine and Cody's marriage was normal. Totally relatable. It just was.

I had to end it. He wasn't going to for him. He would have just been like, eh, here it is. And we're just going to keep on doing this. And that's all, you know, I think it is 100% relatable. I hear that all the time, like shopping at the store. It'd be surprised at how many women are like, my marriage was the exact same. And I didn't know, like I had no idea that what I had, I saluted, was such a normal marriage, for a dysfunctional marriage. I didn't know. Until I left, and women started talking to me and resonating with it. And I left my husband too, and it's

the exact same. I'm like, wait, what? And it was amazingly eye-opening, and it does help you not be angry. Well, I know you have to go and I loved meeting you. I'll see. Are you at all close to the University of Utah? Yeah, yeah. The University of Utah is probably 45 minutes away. Okay. My son has been accepted and we are going to go and look at it. And so maybe we can make a plan to either do

another podcast or just get together and like have dinner or the husbands can meet. Because I thoroughly enjoy talking to you as just, you know, as a woman that I'm this glad you stuck up for yourself. I think you present yourself great. I love sister-wise. I'll never stop watching the show. It's so different than real housewives or competition shows or anything like that. And I'm excited. I hope the show continues on because I really want to see your journey and your own lives in maintaining your Sister Weiss relationship, whether it gets better or worse or takes a whole other direction.

It's just fascinating. So I hope it continues on for a long time and tell everybody where they can follow you if they aren't already. You got a so like Instagram, I'm Instagram, it's Christine, something brown, SW shoot, it's terrible. It's like Christine underscore brown SWUs

where you can find my Instagram. And no, I am so overwhelmed. Thank you so much. I love talking to you. And I love hearing so many things that are normal because that's I think, but you kind of live in a bubble a little bit. So thank you just talking about this has been really

eye-opening for me too. And yeah, double date anytime. I'd be down. Awesome. So happy for you. Thank you again. Thank you. Take care.

OK, thanks Nicole. Tomorrow. So are you good with everything? I mean, we'll clean it up where the low mistakes are, but other than that, I felt the conversations, everything were great. And I feel like we got into a lot of things that a lot of people wondered about, that we haven't known. So I'm excited for people to hear it. Thank you for being so respectful.

I thought you really were very respectful. And thank you so much. It was an absolute aspect. Oh, always, always. I was amazing. I was a dream to work with. You are. And I would do a double date with you.

You're sure. Awesome. I would hear about things like that. That's good. Great. Thank you. Okay. sure. Awesome. I'll just hear about things like that. It's good to see you. Thank you. OK, thanks so much. Bye. Take care.

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