Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Dave Grohl’s Baby Mama with Sutton Stracke of RHOBH

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Sutton Stracke is here! Kathy Hilton double dared comedian Tiffany Haddish to walk the runway and received mixed reviews. Foo Fighters’ Dave Grohl has a baby with a woman who is not his wife of 23 years. I explain why I was not surprised about this announcement. Sutton shares what has been the best and worst thing about being a famous real housewife these last 5 years. Her answers will surprise you. We get into Selling Sunset drama and so much more. Enjoy!  For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering Juicy Scoop listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code JUICYSCOOP.  You gotta check out the new softside Luggage from Away. Head on over to https://awaytravel.com/juicyscoop.  Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I will see you there. And that's it. Let's get going with the show. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have returned guest. Last time she was on, it was a Zoom, but this is the first time in person. I'm so excited to bring back star of Real House

as a Beverly Hills Sutton. Just one word, Sutton. Just one word Sutton. And you're a fashionista, you have your own store. How are your Southern Belle, Bellarena. So many things that you are. The word Southern Belle is so funny. It sounds antiquated, doesn't it? But people like to label, so it's fine.

I'll call myself a Southern Belle because I've never forgotten my roots. Yeah. You know, I will forever be Southern. I love it. I love a Southern belle. Yeah. So I'm really excited that you're here.

So I know you're- I am so excited to be here in person. It's not pandemics. I cannot believe that it's been that long since, I mean, I've seen you, you've come to like store events and stuff, like you're so great to be supportive like that. But that's the first time we met was on a laptop. Yes.

My first season on Real Housewives. Which I always kind of like getting someone their first season to kind of get the whole backstory. And that's when I was like, oh, I didn't know that you studied ballet. I didn't know that then, you know, like your whole backstory. Cause I feel like definitely it's hard to get that,

you know, when you're just joining the cast and everything. So, now this is what, this next season will be like your fifth season? It's my fifth season, yeah. I mean, like in general, like here you are, here's the latest cast. Yeah. So we have your friend.

Jennifer Tilly. Is going to be, quote unquote, a friend of the show. We've seen her a bunch at events. And you guys going to like Dolce & Gabbana and laughing and having fun. Yeah. Of course, she's a huge, hilarious actress. Yeah, she's a great actress.

And then we have this other new girl on the end. What is her name? Boze. Boze. Yeah. And then everybody else it's Dorit, Garcelle, Kyle, Erica Jane, you and then Kathy Hilton is like a friend too. Yeah. And I mean I can't wait. Beverly Hills never disappoints. Never disappoints. It's a really good season. We had a lot of fun. Yeah. Which I think, I was like, you know, doing five years. Yeah. The first three, I was like, is this how it is? Because it was a bit dark for a while.

Well, yeah, because you had the Erica Jane stuff. That all broke. We had Denise. We had Erica Jane. We had everybody piling on Sutton. So finally- So wait, the first season of Denise, was that when the rumors were going that she and Brandi had had a little fun in Canada while filming a Hallmark movie?

Yeah, I guess so. And I was like, okay. And I was very quiet my first season because Jennifer and I were talking about this last night at dinner because Jennifer, she's a big fan. So she came in thinking, oh, I know exactly what's gonna happen. She had no idea, she goes,

nothing can prepare you for doing this show. And she said, I come in as an actress, like, oh, look at me, look at me. And she said, you know, I come in as an actress, like, oh, look at me, look at me. And nobody's looking at me. And I said, well, imagine coming in as a normal person. And you have all of these women who are actresses or models, whatever they are, or they've been on the show for years.

They're like, who's that? And didn't pay attention to me. And so I just sat back and watched. And then all of this stuff about threesomes is flying around. And I just thought, what? What? What's going on? And why are we yelling at the table?

And you know, you don't know where to sit. And then I was like, the place guards are very important, ladies. Let's, you know, because you never know where to sit. And then I was like, the place guards are very important ladies. Let's, you know, because you never know where to sit. Right. Or who to sit with. And Jennifer felt the same way going in. So it was funny just talking about that. But yeah, that first season was crazy. Rome was wild. And like our reunion was crazy because we did it.

Did you say Rome? Oh, we went to Rome this season. So we have no my first season with with Denise. Oh, we went to Rome. This season. No, my first season with Denise. Oh, that's right. It was Rome. It was Rome. And then our reunion was on laptops and, and Denise is throwing papers around. I don't know what was happening. I'm like, what are, what is this show?

So it's just funny to have a friend now do it with me. Yeah. To hear her side. I'm like, oh yeah, that happened to me too. I remember those feelings. So with that, how did that really come about? So you, you know, in, they got to know your life. They got to know, okay, we've got this, this woman Sutton, she's divorced, these are her kids. And we don't, we didn't see your kids because I guess that was an agreement between you and your ex-husband that they not be on camera. He was not going to sign the waiver

to let the children be filmed. And now that they're almost of all of age, we got to see your daughter that looks just like you, but with brown hair. She's very cute. We got to see her a little bit last season. How do you feel about that now? Do you feel like maybe in

the end that was the right decision? Because who cares? They can be on it if they want to now. Well, I think even, you know, five years ago, they would have said, I don't want to do it. I mean, I can't force my children to do it. Well, they wouldn't have wanted to do it. Because sometimes I hear from Housewives, Tamara Barney, judge of OC, she always had an issue with her ex Simon not allowing the kids to be on camera and she said her youngest very much wanted to do it. Now we see the youngest, Sophia. I personally think, and I know Brandi Glanville always wanted her boys to be seen,

but Eddie Cibrian said no. I'm like, I always think that's like the gift that even if you didn't want it. Yeah. Who can't like why? So what? Why do we need to see you at 13? I think for me, I have always, I let my children kind of guide their own lives and they know what's right and what's wrong and what's right for them. I think they would have said, I don't want to do this, you know, and that would have been an easy decision for them.

I don't want to take decision making away from my children. So I didn't really enjoy that that was adamant. Once I turned 18, then there was the conversation, will you do this scene with me? And my daughter Porter is very shy. She didn't wanna do it. And I said, I think it might be fun. And so we will forevermore have the first scene

that I did with her was with Lisa Rinna. And I think we talked about the sorority thing. It was her first year of college. And so we'll always have that. And then when my son turned 18, I had moved into my new house and we made chicken salad together and like I will always have that.

And you know. Like that moment on film and time. Yeah. I do think that's a lovely part about being on a reality show is just having that forever, providing it wasn't a horrific experience for anybody, providing it wasn't like a kid crying or acting like a total brat and now they're embarrassed by it.

I think people don't think enough about that, putting their younger kids on the show. That there is this time in your life when your brain isn't fully formed and maybe you're being disrespectful or rude and it gets played for the next 20 years and people remember that Gina Keno's son was horrible and rude to her when she unexpectedly visited him at a baseball game. And she told me, like she was an original Real Housewives

of OSC, that that was a really hard thing for him for the years to come. Now he's married and I think a father, but you know, he just was being a young jerk and he probably wasn't, he probably had she just come alone, he wouldn't have acted like that. Right. It's that she surprised him with cameras. Yeah. Well, and also I think as a parent, you have to be smart about your choices and the predicament that you put your children in.

So for me, I've had some really nice moments so far with my two oldest children and it's kind of fun to watch my middle son. I've filmed with him like twice now and now this season I've filmed with him and it's. And now this season I've filmed with him. And you know, it's gonna be fun to watch those scenes. I like them. And I think later they're gonna get to watch them and be like, this is so great that we got to do this together. Oh, I think that's really cool.

Well, of course we're not gonna do any spoilers. We're excited to see the show. I don't wanna get you in trouble. No, I won to see the show. I don't want to get you in trouble. No, I won't get in trouble. I don't get myself in trouble. OK. So I want to talk about this because this has caused some controversy.

Are you aware of it? Yeah. Well, I saw I was with. Let me explain first to the people. So of course, this week is Fashion Week in New York. And a lot of stars, a lot of reality stars are enjoying the fashion shows. And Kathy Hilton was there with her $2 Nikki in Paris and Tiffany Haddish, the comedian was next to them and it all got caught on film where Kathy is like, you should go

and walk the runway. And it was not like a runway on a thing. It was like you step right out and that's the runway. Right. it was a little bit different than like getting out of your seat and stepping up on a stage but still go and walk the runway and she's wearing just like a cool like green pantsuit Tiffany and she's like do it do it do it now and she does it and the crowd seems to be happy I don't know that the designer was sad I I think if anything, he's thrilled it brought attention to his line or her line. But it was interesting because I started to see

all these TikToks and stuff of how people were reacting in a certain way of like, it was almost like the girls were kind of bullying Tiffany to do this, like a dare. And it's almost like it was reminding people of like, you're the new girl at school. And it's like mean girls, and they're getting to go do something. And you shouldn't have done it because it does kind of take away from the designers and the fashion. And I personally think Tiffany is a good girl. She's a nice person. I don't think anybody, I don't think she's thought through like this isn't my moment to take.

And I should tell them not to. I think she was just in the moment having fun. Right. You know, but I can see all the different points of view when you watch it like that. Right, well, I've seen parts of it. You know, Cathy is a jokester and she loves that. Right. Well, I've seen parts of it. You know, Kathy is a jokester and she loves that. I have heard, and I don't know for sure, but I've heard that Nikki and Paris are friends with the designer. And I was supposed to be at the show and didn't make it, it poured down rain that day in New York. Oh, okay. And you know, I think one,

if Cathy was baiting a little bit, Tiffany has her own, again, going back to like the conversation about my children, you can make up your own mind whether you wanna do it or not. You know, you don't have to do anything, you know. Cathy's not a mastermind that is controlling people. You know, but I think Kathy was probably just trying to have a little bit of fun.

And, I mean, probably just said, okay, let's have some fun. Yes. That's what I think. If I had been the designer, I probably would, you know, it's so hard because you spend so much time and money on these shows and being reverent as a spectator, I think is important because what if just a regular person had decided to do that, what would the response have been to that person? I guess that's maybe a better question.

Yeah, the privilege of just being like, oh, I'm a star and it's fine and won't it be funny. And it's like, well, what about the models? What about everybody that put the show together? Now, the after it is, it's publicity, it's all good. But I do respect people seeing it and being like You know, this is why sometimes you just have to think and everything's filmed every move you make right whether you want to be a little annoyed at someone at Starbucks or not. It's like you go outside of your home and Celebrity or not you really have to be very conscious of how you behave, every person.

Golly, it's so true. You can't complain at the grocery store line anymore if you're a celebrity. You cannot do anything. You've got to be very careful and mindful of your actions, which actually kind of is a good thing because you're sort of like. Keeps you on your toes.

Yes, I don't know. like... Keeps you on your toes. Yes. I don't know. I'm leaving for Milan on Tuesday, and the idea of me getting up and walking a runway without the models, I don't know. I would never do that. But Tiffany is a huge star. She's a huge star, but also...

And she's also a comedian, and she's funny, and people love her. I mean, as a comedian, if I was in that position, I would hope that I would go, no, Kathy, stop it. I would hope that I would do that. But I can't 100% say that I wouldn't take that fun moment... That moment to be like, and like I'd probably overly do the modeling,

like do the face and I'd probably do it like very Zoolander and I would probably think it was great. And then a couple hours later, I would see all these TikToks about like, how could you do that? You're such an asshole, Heather McDonald, or you're the girl that just wants to be in with the popular people and you're not from Beverly Hills,

you're from the Valley. And like, I could see that happening. So I can totally see why in the moment and someone who's only attended one real fashion show in my whole life, one or two, like one was the where everyone wears red, that charity that everyone wears red. I got to go to that one years ago in New York.

That's the only New York fashion show I've ever been to and one that was for Gucci on the, they shut down Hollywood Boulevard like two years ago. Those are the only two like real fashion. All the rest of them were like National Charity League and you know, Valley Debs and like where we put on our own. That Gucci show was a hot ticket. Yeah, that was really cool. But those are the only ones I've been to that are like you put on your own fashion show for your high school or whatever.

That's it. So, you know, and I don't, obviously Tiffany was not raised going to fashion shows. So I think that's what the conversation started, but it is interesting because wasn't there something that I also saw in the news where Kathy did somehow get on stage of another fashion show?

Mine. Oh, that was yours? Well, she was Kathy. I swear. I love her so much that it's just hard to be mad at her at anything. She had come, you know, I had like a small, you know, I'm not the designer. I have, it's Sutton Green Label. And so what we do, we were a circular fashion company.

And so we take clothes that are going to go into the landfills and we remanufacture them with my label. Oh, awesome. And it's amazing and it helps the environment and it helps everybody. And it's been such a fun project of mine. So we did a fashion show and Cathy came backstage and she went kind of the wrong way

and ended up like walking out right when the music started, when the show was starting. Oh, finding her seat and my sweet goddaughter, who's an amazing model, Wiz, came coming out and she is like one of those models that she's like six feet tall and she blasts her. And there's Cathy finding her seat and Wiz was very gentle and graceful.

Just kind of patted her on the back, you know. Find your seat, lady. And so, you know, Kathy didn't, she did it then, and now here she is at it again. I mean, we're all, nobody wants to see her leave the show. She is entertaining, whether it's not totally, I mean, come on, the hunky dory. I don't believe that she had never heard a hunky dory, but it did lighten up your moment. Well she was trying to lighten up because I was so upset and she said something. That was the ugly pants. What am I jealous of? Your ugly pants. To Crystal,

who's now your friend. Yeah, yeah. Crystal called you jealous and you said of what? Of what? Your ugly leather pants. I mean seriously I was, of what? But I will say this. I'm in good company. Yeah. If Sudden Green Label is in the same company of Mons, then thank you, Cathy. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, but yeah, the ugly leather pants, that was quite something.

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Okay. And he just came out with this statement on his Instagram. And the way he wrote it was very interesting. He wrote, I have fathered a child outside of my marriage. I plan on being a present father to this little baby girl and working on my marriage and getting the trust back from my wife and children. Be respectful of all the children involved. Well, I am not the woman that had the baby. I know.

You can still love him. You can still love him. I just found this, first of all, he is so well liked. Oh, he's because... He's so well liked. And part of what made him well liked, I've got personal juicy skill. Okay. Okay, so what I...

I'm really like, this is like throwing me for a loop here because it's not it's okay. One of my crushes. Listen, listen, a lot of rock stars have, you know, babies out of everywhere and they and they have babies everywhere that we don't know about or they say, it's not mine. And then the girl is forced to get a DNA test and beg for child support. So I'm just saying he's doing the right thing and saying like- He's being the gentleman. You know, I'm not gonna dishonor this child

who's clearly mine. Now we don't know how old the child is. We don't know if it was being hidden for a while and then it came to lawyers and everything and they're like, you gotta come forth and maybe she needs. We don't know the backstory of them staying as a couple, her accepting that he's had a child out of wedlock, whatever. I mean, good thing there's water in here.

Yeah, so everyone loves Dave Grohl as a person. He's funny and a great musician and everything. So when I was on Chelsea lately, we would have guest hosts and I wrote and produced and worked on that show as well as appeared on it. So they were like, we love Dave Grohl so much, we're gonna give him the whole week that Chelsea has off. So he did an entire week of shows

and the staff just loved him. Now that week, I happened to be in New York because I had my second book coming out. And I was like, oh, I'm so bummed I'm missing this fun week with Dave Grohl. Okay, so here's the scoop. So there was this one girl that worked on the show, and she was very into music, very, very educated about rock and roll music.

I'm sitting on the edge of my seat like we're getting serious scoop. Okay. And she was younger than, than, let me think. He's about, he's about like 55, I think. And this girl, so at the time he would have been like 45 and this girl was like 30, 31, okay, maybe that. And she was very like hip and very attractive. And I'm not gonna say what she does or anything,

but hopefully she's listening because I'm like, I need to get some sleep. And she was just so enthusiastic about his music, knew everything. And afterwards, she was going to the studio and, and we were like, girl, like, what is going on? Because he's presenting himself at the show where I, I have these three kids kids and he talked about his wife and people knew people in our circle, like went to school with them. And I don't have any facts that it was any, nothing more than him inviting this young girl to see him play at the studio.

You're killing me right now. But I remember just being like, I know everyone thinks he's the exception to the rock star, but- You think it's this girl? No, no, I don't think it's this girl. I know it's not this girl. But I'm saying what are you getting to the point? I'm getting at, I don't think he was always this clean cut guy.

This exception to the rule, in my opinion, that he was this rock and roll daddy that everyone, you know, I still think he can be nice to everybody in his life. I still think he can tip well. I still think he can be a responsible businessman who's nice to his landscaper. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying there was this image that he was kind of the exception to the rule that he was this great dad.

He still likes the groupies. And I still, yeah, I think this isn't the first time that he is fucked around. Okay. And even if this girl didn't fall for anything because she knew he was married, I felt that it was unusual. And I was like, we were like, he's trying to fuck you. Like, what are you talking about?

Why does he need you to go and why does he need your opinion? I'm like, why does he need your opinion? I'm like, why does he need your opinion on his latest song? You, this pretty 30 year old girl, that's a super fan. Because she was an expert. That's why, Heather, she was an expert at his music and she knew better. So I'm just saying when I heard it, I was probably one of the less surprised people because I think he's had one of those marriages where again, he's the good dad, he is into his wife, but maybe they had an understanding.

But I wanna know what the wife is thinking. And then somehow one of the, wife is beautiful blonde and very private. But what's she saying? She's not saying anything, cause she's pretty private. Is she angry? We don't know. It's very rare that she would, she was not, she wasn't the wife trying to launch a jewelry

line. She wasn't the wife trying to be on Housewives. She was just like a pretty blonde wife that's been around forever. She might be now. I think it would be great. Come on girl. I think it would be great. You know, I always say in these situations, there are a lot of marriages, both public and not,

with public people and not, where there is like a don't ask, don't tell situation. Where you're like, I don't really care. Just don't get anyone pregnant. Don't be caught. Don't bring them to the home. And then something like this happens. And then as the wife, you're sometimes forced as like,

well, now I have to divorce you fucker. Like now I don't want people to think that I'm this, you know, pushover that I'm this headband wearing Hillary Clinton. Yeah. She wore that headband. I'll never forget it. Yeah. Right. You know, and then people can interpret that the any way they want all these years later. They could have been like, maybe she was like, of course I know he cheats. I'm going to be president, bitch. Just watch.

Just watch me. We don't know what her plan was. Just like there's women that are like, I don't want to fuck him either. I'm thrilled he has a girlfriend. We don't know whatever. But then when it becomes public, everyone thinks the normal relationship, which is you must be totally devastated, your husband cheated on you, you poor girl that he lied to.

We don't know. We don't know if she was being lied to. My jaw is, and let me tell you what, if I'm Dave Grohl's wife, you're gonna hear it from me. Oh, of course, I'd be out. I'd be like out. I don't know if I'd be out. I'd be like, sir, don't know if I'd be out. I'd be like,

sir, we're gonna have some serious talking to do and people are gonna hear from me because I'm mad at you because you're hot and you're mine. And now you have this little girl. And I'm not babysitting. Right and now. I'm not changing any diapers. And the thing about what I trust. And that baby better be named after me, baby Sutton. You know, it is crazy. Cause that girl's gonna be saying my name every day for the rest of her life. Yeah. Come on, baby Sutton. That's amazing.

It's a good plan. I can't remember who was, oh, you know what? That's a juicy story. I can't remember who was. Oh, you know what? That's a juicy story. Adam Levine. There was gossip about Adam Levine a while ago. And this girl that came out and said she had an affair with him, he said, oh, my wife's pregnant.

And I like, you know, and he was saying like he liked her name to name the kid. Oh, oh. So then his wife would have had a baby, but maybe possibly would have had the name of this girl that his side. Come on. That's not nearly my. Yours is better. Mine is way better. I mean, yeah, I mean it's,

it's happened before where then the woman is like, there's a, there's also a story that was a very juicy crime that happened. There was this woman who... I love this show. I am getting... Because you don't read this stuff, so I'm like, what can you tell me? This is a very juicy crime and people are going to remember it. There was this woman and she was like an executive whatever.

And she moved, had money and sold her company and she was like mid 40s, no kids, never been married. And she moved to like this quaint, like Fisherman town on the East coast. And she got pregnant like at 45 and she had a baby. And when the baby was two, somebody came in and killed her. And the baby lived. Turned out nobody knew who the dad was, but it was this local guy that was married

and had five or six kids. And at one time he was a suspect. Turned out it was just like a random weirdo. It was like a random weirdo that just like, whatever. They finally found someone through DNA, but it wasn't him, it wasn't his wife, it wasn't any of his kids, but't him, it wasn't his wife, it wasn't any of his kids. But they now raise the child, the dad and his wife of six kids or five kids,

they raise this this child of her, which is, you know, beautiful. Wow. This child deserves a family, yeah, deserve to be with your dad. Wow. But it was an indiscretion, you know, or whatever. It was an affair. And the mom and the wife was like, she's a saint. So it was an indiscretion, you know, or whatever. It was an affair and the mom and the wife was like, She's a saint. Yeah, so it's, you know, or like you think about the Tristan Thompson and Chloe and it's just, and even Wendy Williams. Wendy Williams knew that her husband had girlfriends

and a girlfriend on the side, but once he got that girlfriend pregnant, that's when she was like, all right, I'm out. Now I have to divorce you. Yeah. Now I have to. So I, it'll be interesting to see what happens. Unless you're Dave Grohl. Well, we'll see. I predict, I predict that she will walk. Yes. I think she's just like, you know what, this was the sign I needed. This was the sign. She's probably like, God showed me a sign and I'm happy the baby's healthy.

I'm happy, you know, my daughters absolutely can like visit her or whatever. But I think, I think she'll, it won't happen right away, but like in like a year. And then maybe she won't become more public. And then next thing you know, she's on a girls trip with you. She should call me.

She should. She would be an amazing... Also because we don't really know her, but she... I don't have a photo of her, but she's very attractive. And looks young, even they've been married 23 years, but she probably is maybe late 40s, early 50s max. And she's going to have a lot of baby placenta to eat. Make those shakes.

So anyway, there you go with the story. Holy, come on. Pretty juicy there. That is, that threw me. Now, Rachel Zoe. Did you hear about Rachel Zoe? I did hear about this. So Rachel Zoe and her husband Roger,

after 33 years together and 26 years married, they have decided the mutual decision to end their marriage. They have two boys. And when we would watch their they were old school Bravo. Did you used to watch their show on Bravo? It was her show then she then with Brad Goreski and then and it was so funny. Like I remember we did a sketch at Chelsea lately where I was Rachel Zoe and our client was Chewie and we like had two people one person be Brad

and the other girl, Jen Kirkman, was her other assistant that had like hair in her face. And it was like, I die, I die. And then she went on to do like her own show kind of with him. And then of course she built her empire with him in fashion. And a couple years ago, I interviewed her, I was on her show because she and her husband were starting a podcast about great marriages

and partnerships. And I remember asking her, she's like, no, they met in college. And it was just kind of interesting because when we saw her on the show, she was just this fashionista girl and she was, you know, really thin and chic and had this husband and had this fabulous life.

And then after that, she gave birth to two boys and I was like, oh, okay, I guess what we thought really, they're just really this like couple. But you never know, whatever marriage is different. I've known them for a while now, like before I moved to LA even. And Rachel's just so lovely and sweet. Yeah, I like talking to her.

Yeah, and I went one time, years ago, I went to their offices and I talked to Roger about my business and what, I had all kinds of ideas that I was trying to put together before I finally did what I did. And Roger was great with me and you know he's a businessman. And so this is really kind of sad news I think and they were such a family unit. They were such a family unit. But here's the thing, you know, so was I. And I had known my husband since I was 13. And they had that kind of, we've known each other,

we've grown up together kind of thing. And I can't really talk about it because I don't know much, but I'm sure that there's a lot of sadness going on with this one. I think where it's really shocking is like younger people. It like throws younger people off because they're like what? Like I thought once you made it past this year, like Leah Remini and her husband just

announced after 27 years they're getting divorced. Did you see that? And so I think when people feel like you get past 20 years or something and they're only like 30 and they're on their third year marriage, it's sort of like, wait, what? You know, like I don't get that. And you know, it just, there is like a big movement.

They call it silver divorce, where it's like people in their mid to late 50s. I am learning all kinds of things today. Getting divorced. And it's because we, I think, you know, we live longer and your kids are gone or were they're growing up and you're like, you never know. I mean, sometimes it is very mutual. Sometimes it's not, you know, you will never really know because that's why I think it must be so hard to be a marriage

counselor because it's not like they're a doctor that they're like, well, this is how I treat, you know, breast cancer. It's like they don't know. Every situation is totally different. You're always dealing with different people and different dynamics and you just don't know. And I think also women have changed a lot. And my mother was a pioneer of the women's movement and working women. And even since she did that, I think in the past, I would say even 15 years,

we've seen women really get strong. And so I think relationships have taken a toll because of that. Right. You know, when you and Rachel and Roger really built that together. I know. I think that's what makes it really sad is because she, even though she was the face of it, it was a lot given a lot of credit to him. And, and again, like I said, when I interviewed her, maybe two, three years ago, it was like, oh my God, you've been together so long,

like this will never not work. And the thing is that people are always changing and evolving and sometimes you just really are not changing together. You know? That's what happened in my marriage. We just, we didn't change together. And it happens a lot.

And I think people are always looking for the salaciousness or something bad that happened. Sometimes it's just this natural cause of development that it just didn't, you just do that. Yeah. You grow in separate ways and it's okay. Some people stay together, even though they have separated in their hearts and minds,

they stay together. Because it is just easier sometimes when you're with homes and financial stuff. I think they do that until one falls in love with someone who's like, I'm not okay with this. You know what I mean? Like, I think there's a lot of people that do kind of have that separate lives,

like I'll be at the lake house, whatever, we're cry, I don't care. I just, you bug the shit out of me and whatever. Or sometimes you just have to be honest with yourself and say, you know what, we've had a good run. Yeah. And, but I don't want to do this anymore. I want to do this anymore.

Because even if you can do the lake house and you're here, maybe you want to live a different life that brings you joy and happiness a second round. Yeah. You know? That's OK. Right, because I'm saying you live so long that you could have a whole nother

second marriage that's longer than your first. Like who's just, why shouldn't you? And so yeah, I think it's really interesting. I think that's the reason why we are so fascinated by Real Housewives because we get to, we really relate, especially like my, being a woman demographic, we relate so much. I think to other demographics, it's just pure entertainment. And then to people like me, it's like, oh my God, I know what this friendship's about. I know what this deception's about. Like, I've lived it myself or with a friend. And that's why we get so involved when you guys share

you know these big things about your life and then to other people it's like oh my god I like the outfits and you know and I throw the drink and there has to be a mix I think of both of those things because if all we did was you know the really vapid clothes and drinks and that would only last so long. Right. We can only watch that for so long. There has to be some depth to it. Yeah.

We have to give something of ourselves in order to balance that. I think that's how the show works. Now, after five years, what has been like, that you know, when you decided to do this, and now five years later, what has been like the greatest, greatest surprise about it that you, like a positive surprise that you wouldn't have expected?

Yeah, you know, I, I think every season is different. And I learn something different about myself every season. And I keep growing because I'm on this show. That's really cool. You don't, it seems like we focus more on the people whose lives just seem to crumble and don't thrive. Well, you know, my life isn't perfect and there's a lot of struggles that I'm always working on. But I like to learn,

and I like the sort of the unexpected. Kyle and I, I did a live yesterday, I'm an ambassador for NAMI, which is a mental health organization. I saw that post of yours. And, you know, I said... For suicide prevention. And yesterday was World Suicide Prevention Day,

and I asked Kyle if she would join in on my live, and she did because her very best friend committed suicide and my father committed suicide. And, you know, I said to Kyle, one of the greatest, coolest things about being on this show is that I get to talk about this. And it's something that I never talked about before, not with my family, rarely with my friends, really rarely with myself. And all of a sudden, I'm talking about suicide and strange position to be in. And I'm an ambassador for NAMI.

I have a strange position to be in, and I'm an ambassador for NAMI. So that part is, to me, very rewarding. And as many trials and tribulations as I have been through doing this show, that's so rewarding. So I love that. And talking about marriage, when I started the show,

I was like, I will never get married again. Absolutely not. And now I'm like, maybe. I've softened about men. I'm not as scared of men. And I think, like I'm open to love, which when I started, I think I was really, maybe a little bit bitter and scared

and not willing to listen to men. And now I am. So all of these things have come up and that's why I love doing it. What is one of the negatives that you didn't expect in when you said yes to being on the show? I think the negatives have been, I didn't know that, and I can include myself in this,

that women can be so cruel to women. And I include myself in that. I didn't know that I had that capacity. I didn't know that I was able to throw cruelty as quickly as I have done. I have surprised. That's very big of you to say that. Well, you know.

I don't know that I've ever heard a housewife admit that they've been on the other side and not just the receiving side. It seems like a lot of women are like, I was bullied and da, da, da, da, da, da, da. And it's kind of weird to see like women in their 50s talking about being bullied, but we do see it. And I-

I don't think I've ever bullied, but I have, you know. But no, I like that you say, you know, I've said things that, you know, were cruel. I've said things I've regretted and they've come out of my mouth and I've gone home thinking, who are you? I don't say it, you know, I don't do that.

That's not me. But it makes you look at that part of yourself that has been living in there somewhere that emerged. And so that part isn't fun, and it's not fun to receive so much. I went through a couple of seasons where it was really difficult to show up.

Yeah, I feel like there was a time where it did feel a little, like what was the whole Fox Force Five? I don't know, I get the name wrong. Why is it a Fox? And the Fox Force five was was Dorit, Kyle, Erica, Lisa and Teddy. Lisa and Teddy. Yeah okay all right. Lisa and Teddy are no longer on. Yeah, it wasn't the nicest. When you know that there's a Fox Force fight, I would assume that the producers got wind of that and didn't like it.

You know, how are you supposed to actually, like, be part... It almost felt like we're the cheerleaders that went from, you know, we're the senior cheerleaders, and you guys are just joining the teams as junior. And we're going to summer camp. And you're not going to be able to come into our dorm room after practice. I felt a little like, I remember you being like, what is that? Because I feel like that's why you and Garcello were like, what the fuck is this?

Like what? I think that Garcello and I didn't really bond until the end of our first season together. And it was actually like in Rome, we had a dinner right before we went to Rome. And we just started laughing. We just realized that we were funny. Like we thought we were funny. And so then in Rome, we really like just

were hanging out together. I think it was hard for us to kind of infiltrate because those women had known each other for so long, which I understood. But then it was really after that, that it started to get a little bit more mean and then it got a lot more mean and a lot more meaner towards me. And I didn't quite know how to defend myself. I was bad at it and it was very hurtful to me a few times. I didn't quite know.

I just was so meek. Yeah, I was and you know, I had been through a really painful divorce. And I'd sold my house. I just felt real broken. Yeah. And so I was not good at sticking up for myself. And then would you regret those moments that then were sketched in time?

And let me tell you, if there was a camera following me every time, I might have pulled a Sutton too, where when I heard about Duree, if I was going through something crazy too, I might have inadvertently, you know, I think the biggest thing that they do about these shows, they always get you, stop making it about yourself. And it's like, well, sometimes it just happens that you just say something or you say, I lost a pet too. Why are you making it about yourself? Well, shit, like I don't know. Isn't that being like, I'm trying to relate. Yeah. So you were, so you, that was a moment when it's isolated. Doesn't, doesn't look great. Doreen, you know, was robbed at gunpoint. That was a bad, bad moment. And Kyle came over and you were like,

yeah, I'm like, my Paris designer is stuck in customs or whatever. So awful. That was not good. But when it's caught on tape and there forever, how do you just go, yeah? I guess that's what you have to do. Yeah, I said it.

I said it. I regret it. And whatever. I'm sorry. That was probably the lowest moment of my life. What I said, you know, especially because my father actually did take a gun and put it in his mouth and blew his brains out. So, you know, for me to say that you know, for me to say that flippantly,

what was I thinking? It was terrible. Yeah. Terrible moment for me. So that's, I mean, you know, big of you to again, to like admit that. And then when we had the moment that did turn very comedic, which was the name-um. I don't even remember what she, what she,

so Kyle came over and she was like, you're acting, you've acted strangely. It was after, what was she asking you? It was after Las Vegas. And, yeah. Oh, Las Vegas with the magic mic. Yeah. Yes.

Again, see, when I'm going through something, Yeah. I am not focused. And you were going through the fact that your husband was saying that he wanted the youngest to come live with him in London? And me. And me.

And I was like, and I had just learned it before, like right before getting on the plane to go to Vegas. And you know, he's a very formidable ex. And I just thought this, this really could happen to me. And you might have to leave the show and leave your life. Leave the show, leave my business, leave my house, you know, leave my horse, leave my dogs, leave my cats and you know, leave my life. Right.

And I just and I lost it. Right. I lost it. Do you have any desire to go back? To see Magic Mike? And yeah and and and split and spread your legs and have them. I didn't like the spreading of the legs. I just didn't. I just I'm sorry. I know the show is actually really good. Yeah. It's just that moment. I was like, I'm out. Right. And I also think when you are going through something, now emphasize it by you're at a girls weekend.

And I think we've, like what I loved about that Vegas weekend Oh God. Is I just want to say, I thought it was so relatable where you're on a girls weekend, whether it's a birthday or a bachelorette or something, and someone is kind of... Did I say I liked this show because I'm really starting to... No, no, no. But I'm saying, well, I'm going to give you a compliment or make it relatable.

I think people have been there. They've been on that girls trip where one person is just a little off and then have a couple of drinks and a little bit emotional and it's like, I just want to leave. And it can happen a lot in Vegas. Those Vegas weekends can be really great or they can go sideways. And there's this stress to have fun. You gotta have fun. I was like, I don't feel like having fun.

Yeah, you weren't feeling like having fun. No. You were just like, you know what? I mean, I've had those moments too where I'm like, someone don't feel like having fun. Yeah, you weren't feeling like having fun. No. You were just like, you know what? I mean, I've had those moments too, where I'm like, someone says something wrong. And I'm like, you know what? I'm out. Like, I'm out.

But there's one funny thing that I was so not in the right state of mind. And now I look back at it, it's so funny when I said, it is not about the pants. It's just so funny. It's stupid. Because you did wear the pants and you're still wear the pants if you want to be brought up on stage. Yeah.

And so they were like, you're sad that you were brought up on stage. I was not sad. I was just like, I'm not going up on the stage next. That's not happening. Oh, OK. So after you saw what's happening, you were like, I definitely want to...

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She's I think about 60, fit, pretty blonde, and she is the first Golden Bachelorette. Okay. Did you ever watch any of the Golden Bachelorette? I didn't. I'm the worst. I don't watch this stuff. No, it's fine.

But you know, the Bachelorette as a franchise, according to this LA Times article, which I know that you like to read entire articles. Well, yes, maybe not. So this is a new time. You obviously have a Golden Bachelorette. But yes. But you have a, you know, you get the LA Times. I do.

So this, I have not read this whole article, but it's basically, it says, can the Golden Bachelorette Joan Vasos help restore the luster of Bachelor Nation? So they just, recently they just had a, you know, a young Bachelorette go through, and I used to cover The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, and stuff, and I feel like, as a franchise, it's, you know,

loss is momentum. It's been around forever, you know? And I have to admit something else. I've never watched The Bachelor or The Bachelorette. Yeah, that's fine. And no, I feel like I've been missing out on life. So now there's The Golden, and I think it's brilliant because it's a TV show, it's once a week,

and a lot of young kids don't watch traditional TV anyway. So they should be catering to an audience that still enjoys watching regular TV on a weekly basis, not in a binge. And so she's gonna go meet, and I saw some of the guys, they all like- Are they handsome? Yeah, they're like handsome and put together.

I mean, where do the remnants go? Where do the what? Her remnants go. Her remnants? Her remnants, the things that get tossed. Oh, I didn't know what you're talking about. Heather, keep up. The ones, I don't know.

So then maybe one of them will probably be chosen to be, if they're very popular, probably be chosen to be the Golden Bachelor. I am asking for myself. That's what I'm saying. So then you could, that's what could be exciting is that you'll have access to these people. I'm sure they'll all have Instagram. And you can find them. She was one of the, she was one of the girls that the Golden Bachelor male didn't choose.

And I had predicted her way on that she would get it. Really? Yes, because I thought she was pretty enough and hip enough, but that they could do a variety of guys, a few younger, a few older. And also, but she didn't last long because she had to leave, her daughter needed her or something. So she didn't stay till the end because normally they pick one that's like the reject, like the final two usually gets cut.

The reject. Like the runner up. Oh God, it's so humiliating. The guys look attractive and like put together and hip and kind of a variety of men. And so I'm wondering, we got to see you go on some dates. Oh God. on the show. Where are you in your dating life?

And would you ever go on like, you know, what they're doing with Luanne and Luanne and I'm on Juicy Scoop is where I am. That's all you need. That's about it. That's all you need. Yeah, because, you know, there's always a situation like this, which I feel like they're kind of doing a version of this. It sounds like they're doing The Golden Bachelorette meets

Love Island right now on Peacock. And they just arrived in Cabo with Shannon Bedor and Luann and Giselle and Ashley from Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh God. And they're gonna all date. Oh God. Now you wouldn't wanna do that. You know, I would think about it.

Okay. May I choose the cast? Oh, that you'd be with? Yeah. Who would you wanna be? Let's just say, who would you wanna be with? You could pick three other girls. I'd wanna go with Garcelle.

Okay, Garcelle, you, Garcelle, me, Garcelle. I get two more. And they have to be single. Well, like, I might, me, Garcelle, Erica. Okay. Because actually, I like hanging out with Erica. I love that. I've got me, Garcelle, Erica. I mean, how bad can I set myself up for failure? It's like, this is the worst idea I've ever had. Just pick one more. Pick one from a different city, from a different city, not from Beverly Hills.

Okay, who else is out there in the world? Who else is single that's a housewife? Give me one, I guess. Okay, who else is out there in the world? Who else is single that's a housewife? Give me one, I guess. Okay, well. But they're all, see they're, everybody. We have from OC, all these girls are taken right now on OC. But they all look like that. And so everybody's gonna.

You look beautiful though. You're a hot piece of ass. But see, here's the thing. I am not well endowed. And I think men can be very shallow. How about your boobies? Well, they like boobies, I think. You don't want to get a boob job? You never wanted to get a boob job?

I don't want to get a tetanus shot. I'm just saying. Oh, you don't want to get? Oh, OK. Well, no, I'm not encouraging it. I'm just saying, in Beverly Hills, maybe you're one of the few housewives that don't have. A facelift and boob jobs and all kinds of stuff like that.

I like, you know, kind of, you know, like I'm an intellectual, I like to talk about smart stuff and all that. Yeah. Yeah. So we'd have to go somewhere. I think you'd be funny. If they do another version, they'll cast it for you. Funny?

Yeah, I think you're funny. I would be seriously looking for a man this is not. I know but I'm like you're funny to watch so let's talk about Real Housewives of O.C. You are watching it you said. I am watching it yeah. And what are your initial thoughts of what is happening this season with Shannon and Alexis and Tamra. Well, my favorite part so far has been my dog that got out of, she, my dog, I was on one scene. Oh, that's right. And my dog was on, was, made her debut and she's just hilarious.

Oh, because you know, um, Katie. I have met Katie. Oh, that's right. Katie, the new girl you knew prior. How did you guys know each other? So, the golf world. Yeah. And Katie had reached out to me

and asked me to be in a celebrity golf tournament, which if you wanna see something comical, that's really what you should watch, me playing golf. And so I did that and I got to know her and her husband sort of in the golf world. And she was living in San Diego and she's from Georgia. So I got to know her that weekend, we went to dinners and stuff like that.

So she, you know, a nice- And was she interested in being on Housewives back then? She mentioned something, you know, like, yeah, I've always thought about it. And I said, well, I hope you've got a second set of skin because you're gonna have to go put it on because it's tough work. And so I went and I filmed with her.

So then she went forward with it, got it. And then she asked, she was going through the interview process. I don't know if I was like I wrote about her or something. I helped. Like yes, I know her and right, you and what they're doing to Shannon Bador. I find it to be quite honest, disgusting, and overboard, not necessary, and overboard, not necessary, not fun to watch. I'm unclear why they fund it, why these women want to do that to her. I just, I think it's a bit beyond.

I really think it was just a complete misestimation on Tamra and Alexis's part of what this would result in with the fans. I think they thought, you know, the fans will never forgive Shannon for her DUI and therefore let's get you on the show. Let's make everyone love Johnny Jay. And the thing is that- It's just hard to watch. Right, and the thing is that it was like, in Shannon's defense, she did not talk shit

about her boyfriend, John Jansen, ever on the show with cameras. She did not. She, off camera, would share and vent to who she thought were her girlfriends. Emily, Heather DeBro, Tamara, whatever. And at one time we were close, and from our generation we talk on the phone, we vent.

That's what women, Gen X women do, okay? And, you know, and her personality is like, let me tell you, let me, you know, share. And I think sometimes to get some sympathy, to be a little dramatic, that's just her personality, you know? And I think so she shared these things of her concerns about the relationship, meaning like, I do pay for all these things, or he isn't that nice to me, or whatever she said. And then they started talking about it. And she even said, like previous episodes, previous season, she was like, what are you doing talking about my

relationship? Now my relationship is over. He'll be furious. So she, in her mind, I think she thought she was protecting him in the relationship because she did not speak negatively him on camera. She did not go to coffee and rip on John. But then they talked about it and then it got out. And now he feels, oh my God, the world thinks I'm this asshole who talks about her weight and didn't pay for things when that's not me at all.

Look how lovely I am to my new girlfriend Alexis Bellino. And in fact, I gave her this money, you know, for this facelift and I want it back and then it becomes this weird gross legal thing. And yeah, the way it's the audience is 100% it appears 95 pro Shannon because you're like, why wouldn't like, why is this being brought up? But when you bring it up on camera, then it... Listen, I mean, it's no holds barred, once you say something on camera. And that's what I wanna ask you,

because I think one of the other things people don't realize is like, when someone does say something, on whatever show it is, and they're like, when someone does say something, you know, on whatever show it is, and they're like, I heard a rumor that, you know, whatever, Jenny's boyfriend is seeing guys at the gym. Then they're like, now, if you're privy to her saying that, then it's almost like now you feel like, right, I better go tell the Jenny that this has been said on camera yesterday because otherwise she's going to see it years later and be like, how could you sit there and not warn me? So I better warn them, but

I better warn them on camera to not piss off the producers, right? Well, I don't, you know, I think that this is, you know, this is a reality show. It's not scripted. And so women are going to do what's natural. And I don't think that producers come into it, at least not in my brain. I think that you protect yourself as you need to. But you also have a choice in what you want to say and also in your actions. You know, you don't have to do these things. You can make

different choices. And so if somebody says something, you don't have to jump on it. You can just say, hoice, you know, and just say I wish you hadn't said that and go home and go to bed. And wake up the next day. But then do you feel like if something was said, salacious rumor or not, about a fellow housewife that you are close to, do you feel like it's sort of your moral obligation to then let them know

that now this is probably part of the season and I better let you know that they're chatting about this. I feel like your show hasn't had it as much as like New Jersey and things like that where then someone says it and then they're like and in this case they're like we're all talking about this video of Shannon supposedly acting you know horribly on a ring camera at John's house, she's got to know. Otherwise it's like she's walking around. Yeah, I mean, that didn't bother me that they told Shannon that they're talking about that.

That seems like the admirable thing to do. That's what I'm saying. I feel like you have to after a certain amount of time. I feel like they feel like we gotta let her in on that. Yeah, so that she is not completely blindsided. It's just so awful to watch. That's why I'm glad she's in Cabo with Luann. Yeah, having fun.

And hopefully getting some attention and being funny and away from this. And of course this was filmed like, whatever, nine months ago or whatever. So so it's like I think she's definitely like in a better place but yeah it really it's just like yeah it's like when somebody steps on your foot yeah and it hurts that's how I feel like when I watch it sometimes but I like the other parts like I love like Katie's kind of funny and yeah and I think Gina's really funny yeah and Emily's hilarious and you Like the other parts, like Katie's kind of funny,

and I think Gina's really funny, and Emily's hilarious. And I love Heather, she's a friend of mine, and I love her, she's just so. Heather was always talking that she might jump over and join Beverly Hills because she has a home in Beverly Hills or two homes, which they rarely do that. Yeah. But I mean, I was pushing for it.

I thought it would have been good. I love Heather. I think she's great. And Terry, they just came to a store event that I did and just supportive and like good people. Yeah. So, and she's funny too. Yeah.

I mean, and Heather and I are very oddly alike. We're kind of very like. I can see that. Yeah. Like we are very high strong and we like things the way we like them. Right. So I like that part.

And I have met Tamara several times and I like her. I'm like, stop doing this. Can we just give Shannon a break maybe? Yeah, I think Tamara went down this road because I think she was still really hurt that when they didn't ask her back for two years, I think she felt like Shannon kind of blew her off. When she wasn't on the show, I think she felt, and it's a fact,

Shannon wasn't communicating with her. And then when she came back, then they, you know, had their fun on the show. But I think it was almost, I think it's kind of like, you know, no, that was uncool because, you know, Tamara was the first one on it. I mean, Tamra, I met Shannon because Tamra was like, called me and was like, oh, I saw that you tweeted that you want to go to the USC UCLA game. The new girl on our show has tickets. Do you want to come with us?

So that's how I met Shannon Medora. So like, Tamra can be- Did she go to USC, I think she did. Yeah, she did. And so I think Tamra, you know, is that girl that feels like I was a really, really good friend to you for such a long time. Right.

But this plan is just not bar and well for Tamera. It went really, really bad. And now they're engaged, Alexis and John Hansen. And I'm sure she'll come, I'm sure they'll have them back on the show and I'm sure they'll make Alexis a cast member and they'll have a wedding. And Tamara will be a bridesmaid.

Here's a true story. Yes. About myself. So I'm in a small friend group and there's just four of us. And it finally came out that my ex-husband has been dating one of the girls in my friend group. And to the other women, we were like, are there not any other fish in the sea?

Like, can you not date somebody else? You know, it's a small group. It's, you know, it's a small group. There's other women to date. So that part, I'm a little like really, whatever his name is, is his name John? I don't know his name. Yeah, John. You know, can you not date a housewife?

Maybe. Just think about that one for a second. I mean, I will say Shannon and Alexis were not friends. They were not like on the show together. It doesn't matter. We're all in a family together. mean, I will say Shannon and Alexis were not friends. They were not on the show together at the time. It doesn't matter. We're all in a family together. Right, right, yeah. We just are.

It's like unwritten rule. Right. But you know, I. So how do you feel about that girlfriend that's now dating your ex? Well, she's no longer a girlfriend. But I mean, that's just weird. It's just weird.

No. And so did the two other girls have to break it to you that she was dating? No, my children broke it to me, actually. And I broke it to my girlfriends. You know, it's fine. We're all adults. It does seem though...

It's just a weird thing. It is weird, but it happens a lot because I think it is familiarity. And you know each other, and if this girl's your friend, she's probably similar. She's not similar to you. But I mean, you know what I mean, personality wise? Like it's like, and I think that's why people go, oh my God, I can't believe, you know, you often hear,

oh, you know, and then he married my mom's best friend. Like that isn't like that uncommon. Well, I'm not dead. Yeah. like that uncommon. Well, I'm not dead. Yeah. That does happen when people die. Well, I want to jump to one last thing before I let you go because I am watching, oh, first of all, let me just say this. You watched Real Housewives Miami at all. This guy was the plastic surgeon married to Lisa and he- That one is?

Yeah. With the hat on? I mean, that's very filtered. Here's another photo of them. Yeah. Uh-huh. And then this girl used to come to their sexy Halloween parties. And then he left his wife of 14 years with two kids, Lisa.

I want to thump my forehead on the microphone. Sexy Halloween parties, God. And then they were together and they got engaged. And now they're not getting married anymore. And she was already like, already posted a photo of her on a boat with some younger guy. And so everyone's just like, oh my gosh, you know, good. I'm glad that didn't work out because they were like,

30 years apart. Well, are we surprised? Yeah, of course. And, but there was video of them, like about two weeks ago that someone got of them, like waiting for their car or something at a restaurant. And the body language was like, oh, these two hate each other.

They hate each other. Or she hates him for sure. And he doesn't know what to do. So they're done. Now this is this beautiful girl, Chelsea, she's on Selling Sunset. And I know you're not watching it, but I wanna tell you why I find this super interesting.

It already has come out that she and her husband are getting divorced. Okay. Well, she looks 12. Yeah. She's gorgeous. She's gorgeous and she's English and she actually does really sell real estate

Okay, so and she had this this husband who was you know rich but look wise not in her league but whatever he was featured on the show and What's really interesting about the this season and I encourage people to watch it because I think it's really juicy is This other girl that you know, it's the thing about selling sunset, it's kind of like housewives, except with tiny outfits. Except they have jobs. And they kind of have jobs. The jobs are exaggerated as realtors.

They, I think they have their license, but the tiny twins that run Oppenheimer Group, they just give them listings, which never happens in real life real estate. Nobody gives you a listing. Okay. So, you know, and then they're like, it's $8 million and they walk around. But it's a very entertaining show because you see all this beautiful real estate

in LA, the girls are all- Like real estate porn. The girls, girls, that's why I call it real estate porn, fashion porn. The girls are pretty, but then they have these relationships and this really juicy thing like unfolded on camera, which is this one girl, Bri, goes and has lunch with her friend. And the friend is like, my friend texted me and said that they saw Chelsea's husband in the W Hotel making out with a woman.

And now it's on camera. So then that girl, Bri, felt I got to tell her, but she told's on camera. So then that girl, Brie, felt, I gotta tell her, but she told her on camera. So there is this moment where it is so real that she has, she's like, I knew there was a disconnect, but I had no idea, you know, that I didn't, I had no, I didn't suspect cheating, but I knew we were having a little disconnect.

And she's like, the problem with our marriage happened in the last two years when she became famous, like being on the show, like he wasn't, she calls it work, but we know the work really means not having an open house on Sunday, it means being famous on TV, you know, and doing all the stuff that comes along with being on TV. And so that's where I was kind of saying

about saying the things on camera, because then there's discussion of like, this girl should have called her privately. Privately, yes. Because it is such a big deal. Yeah. And it did, it definitely resulted in she's divorced or getting divorced.

Right. And I think, so I thought it was just such an interesting thing, but I also think take TV out of it. There's always the old question of if you knew your husband, your friend's husband was cheating, do you tell? Because then if they get back together, then guess what? They're never going to want you to be in their life. They're going to blame you for telling. And that's exactly what's happening. She's starting to blame the girl, Brie, for telling. And it's like, because told it on camera. But still, it's like, don't shoot the messenger. Like, do you, have you ever been in the position where you're like, you know, because I do think that's,

you always think you're doing the right thing. You tell your girlfriend, your girlfriend's like, you're the best friend ever. Thank you for telling me. But then unless they divorce their cheating husband or break up with their cheating boyfriend, somehow if they get back together, somehow it seems oftentimes the guy goes, it was your friend that ruined this or they're so embarrassed that they stay with the cheating asshole that they really can't be friends with the cheating asshole that they really can't be friends with the girl that broke the news to them. Do you know what I mean?

Well, I would definitely tell my friend. How you ever had to tell your friend? No. Yeah, it's a hard, a really hard position to be in. I think it's a really, it's always one of those advice questions where you're like, I don't know, because if you tell. But would I want to know? Yes. On the other side, I would want my friend to tell me.

Yes. But as you, as a person who has the info, I think people don't realize what a hard position it is to have the info for what could happen. Your initial thought is like, girl, you know, or like, God forbid you see it with your own eyes. Back to Tiffany Haddish in that movie, Girls' Trip. Yes.

I'm her with a bottle of wine, breaking it open, running over to the husband going, yeah, what are you doing with that girl? You know, I would be more angry and I would confront my friend's husband in public. Yeah. I would do that in one million years. If you went to a restaurant and saw him.

Every day for the rest of my life, I would do that. Yes. I'd be like, hello. Who is this? Yeah, I'm right here. Yeah. Are you going to tell her or am I? Right. Because that's what's about to happen right now.

Right. You don't want to mess with me too much sometimes. I actually think that you hit the nail on the head. I actually now think if you're ever in this position, you need to contact the husband, whether it's by phone or in person, and say, I know you're fucking around on my friend. If you're going to end it, great. I don't care, but you got to tell her. You got to tell her, or I am.

So let me know when you're going to tell her. Because then it does come from him and they can deal with it. And you're not the one that's like bearing the bad message. But he knows. You still may lose both your friends. They still might get together and he may convince her that you're the problem. But if he is the one coming and confessing.

It will all come out in the wash. It will all come out in the wash, Heather. But I think that is the better thing to do is make him do the whole thing. Either you're telling her or I am. And it should really come from you. It'll be less humiliating if it comes from you, privately, your husband. You dirty lion dog. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Warning to all of my friend's husbands. Yes. I agree. Sutton, you're so cute. So tell everybody what is going on with you, how they can get your clothes, follow you, everything.

So I know everybody's like, oh, she's gone out of business. Wait, what was that? You just moved locations or what was that about? What we're doing, I don't have a storefront anymore. It's all online and I've been working on Sutton Brands, which is my second company, and I have a business partner who's in Houston, Texas, and that's what we do, all of our circular fashion,

which is all sustainable. And so that's excess we do all of our circular fashion, which is all sustainable. And so that's excess returns and excess inventory that we remanufacture with my label, SuttonGreenLabel.com. So you look for a style that matches your, how do you pick the items? Yeah, well, some of them are returns. So he is in the return business with retail reworks. And so some of them are actual returns.

And then some are excess inventory. Both of these things, there's so much out there. And is it designer or across the gamut? Yeah, it's just some are designers that we know, but this is all above board. Everybody knows what we're doing and what our company does. But they're going to get put on boats

and sent to landfills, not in this country, but in other countries. And it's a huge problem. Fashion is the number two pollutant on our earth. What's number one, the planes? Probably stuff like that, yeah. And I should know that answer. I know.

But it's pollutants that have been around for a long time. And so I want to be a part of the solution and not part of the problem. And so I've really been focusing on that. So I'm taking all of, like my boutique is going to be online and then all of the circular fashion is online. So it's just easier. I don't need the storefront for it.

I don't have the room for it, to be honest. And I think that, you know, we've been doing live shopping. That's kind of the wave of the future for shopping. That's what people do. It's fun. I've been doing a few of them and it's fun to go live and shop and shop with me right, so we're doing that and Cynthia Bailey has a line with me under certain brands

So it's the Cynthia Bailey collection and that's all you can find it on Sutton green label comm So it's just gotten bigger. Yeah, and so it's more of a success than anything In the back of the courtyard where my storefront was I have a beautiful office It's just gotten bigger. And so it's more of a success than anything. In the back of the courtyard where my storefront was, I have a beautiful office back there where people can go by appointment and I'll have, you know, my samples will be there. And I'll still do like pop-ups in my courtyard

and do my events that I love to do. So alive and kicking and actually kind of killing it. So, yes. Good, I love it. I think that's great. It's really fun and it's more, I think, modern. Yeah. And not as old fashioned shopping.

Yeah. And I'll have my jewelry displays and all that. So it's really pretty. So we'll have chances to, you can come back and see the space when I do my events and things like that. So it's fun. It's really fun. Well thank you, Sutton. You're always such a juicy delight. You are a juicy scooper. Thank you. Guys, I hope you enjoyed that as much as I did. I really thought we covered

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