Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Did Andy Really Say That? LA in The 80s, and Inappropriate Wedding Behavior with Jacques Peterson

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

I’m joined by Daily Mail reporter Jacques Peterson, and we dissect the backlash over Andy Cohen’s surprising claim that Housewives’ politics don't matter, and we break down Ultimate Girls Trip, including Vicki’s insanely insensitive reaction to Kyle crying. Plus, Jacques gives his hot take on why he couldn't stand House of Stassi, and we share some wild scoop on Danny’s behavior at Jasmine’s wedding on The Valley (which naturally had me confessing to my own past wedding blunders). We even go head-to-head on the new copycat show, Double Lives of Suburban Wives, discuss Shards, and Jacques grills me on what it was really like growing up in LA during the 1980s. Enjoy! -Use code JUICYSCOOP at ⁠⁠jonesroadbeauty.com⁠⁠ to get a Free Gift with your first purchase! #JonesRoadBeauty #ad -Download Cash App Today: ⁠⁠https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/9l268n36 #CashAppPod.   Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the ⁠⁠Sutton prepaid card⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Sutton debit flex card⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠Bancorp debit flex card⁠⁠.  Savings provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit ⁠cash.app/legal/podcast⁠ for full disclosures. -Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to ⁠Quince.com/juicy⁠. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. -Order now at⁠⁠ ⁠⁠drinkwillies.com⁠⁠ and use code JUICY for 20% off of your first order + free shipping on orders over $95, and live like a legend. -If you have an iPhone, head to ⁠ladder.fit/JUICYSCOOP⁠ and take a quick quiz to find your perfect Ladder plan. Use my link and get a free 7-day trial with NO credit card, and $10 off your first month if you join. Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: https://bit.ly/juicycrimes Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠ https://www.patreon.com/cw/juicyscoop Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopTZFUvAeokrJJ6dQ5wuAW1T3nssO6pHk47u7KymJUBtBgKCvfX⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Heather McDonald has got the juices scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go. Juicy Scoop is the show to know she talks Hollywood Tales for real life Mr. segment serial data and serial sister you'll be addicted and addicts it fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast listening look at a McDonald's Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have one of our return favorites, Daily Mail reporter, Australian Tall Cutie, Peterson, welcome back to Juicy Scoop. How have you been?

I'm good. I love the tall cutie every time I come in here. By the way, I've been getting recognized by Juicy Scoop is on the street. Oh my God, that means so much to me. We've made it. Yes, I'm very flattered. They're like, oh my God, I know you from Juicy Scoop. I'm like, yes, you do. Do you want a photo? Oh, I love it. So come up to Jacques anytime you want. All right. This came up in the last couple days. It's a big Andy Cohen news. Andy Cohen was, I believe, doing like a Q&A on threads.

Yes. And someone in a more angry manner wrote like, why are you letting all these MAGA people, women, be on your shows? And he basically said, Real Housewives isn't about politics, and we like having women with different points of view. And that's very surprising being that he has shared his political views very often on the shows as well as his own show, watch what happens live

and who he gives mazzles to and things like that and who he gets. There's mausel and what's the negative one? A jack-hole, I think. There's the jack-hole and it's very much political oftentimes. Yes. But he's trying to say the show isn't about that. So a lot of people then came forward and was like, well, I disagree with that because these people have been fired and they were Republican or, you know, I don't know anybody that says I'm

MAGA. Like they, someone will say, well, I was a Republican or whatever. But that seems to be the weaponizing word. Well, okay, here's the thing. What he's saying about this, he said, this is a show not about politics. It's about women's lives. We need people with different perspectives. That's what makes a good show.

Exactly. We all agree. I've been saying it forever. I was screaming that from the rooftops during 2020 when every housewife and reality star was getting canceled for, you know, saying something politically incorrect, saying something that was. Not politically incorrect. It was just politically not what the wave was or whatever. This is what I think of Andy saying this. I think he did the mausole of the week was Fauci, in which he praised him. him and they put it on their watch what happens live Instagram page and the comments were not in his favor from what I read. People didn't really think that was the deserve the mazel of the week. Okay. Yeah. And with less than a week later this question came up. So I think they may have realized they play their hand wrong on that one and the way to answer is we allow people to have different political points of view. Now if you really look down the road of who got fired, there is an argument for both sides. Because there's been a lot of really

liberal people that have been fired to. Yes. You know, and that, that, so it's like, was it that, or was it that it just didn't really work for the cast and the franchise at the time? Did the liberal people get into a specific scandal related to? No, they did not. So good point. Very, very good point. No, I think it's fair to say that it definitely played a hand in several of the women. Well, Housewives of New York. They rebooted all of Housewives of New York because people were complaining that the cast is too conservative. And then they brought, well, they brought in Ebony, Kay Williams, to educate everyone.

And then we had racial education dinners, if you remember that. Everyone got assigned a black history figure. And it wasn't, it wasn't. Change the show for sure. And then it got canceled. And it was literally like Ramona was walking through a mine of like bombs. and she just couldn't handle it. And so they got rid of Ramona and, you know, there's,

but now in the celebratory time of 20 years later, they're realizing this is what's working. Yeah. And people know that women of a certain age and a certain economic background might not be up on the way that a 25-year-old is representing themselves and speaking on social media or in their everyday life.

and does that mean that they should be burned at the stake and never be seen on TV again? And after they put them on pause and fired them and sent them off to an island or given them only one week of work every three years so that they can throw a fit about which room they get, they're realizing, oh, actually, this is what people are more receptive to and they're more excited about

and talking about. So now let's step back and say, oh, Housewives was never supposed to be political. Yes. But it fell in the trap that a lot of things did during those volatile years. I think they should acknowledge. I think there should be an acknowledgement of like, look, everyone went a little crazy around 2019, 2020, 2021. It was peak woke.

It was peak cancel culture. We all overshot the mark. We overreacted. I wish there was an acknowledgement instead of it now just suddenly like, well, we can have people with all kinds of views. There isn't going to be because that would be saying, you know what I was wrong. And most people don't say I was wrong. You know, I mean, this is sort of getting into, like, it's a touchy subject. But, I mean, what's going on with the WNBA?

Like, are they going to say, hey, maybe we're wrong about this. And maybe it should just be women who were born, women that are playing against women in this sports where people are getting paid professionally. But they don't know what they're going to do now. So it's like, okay, so we're just going to go through this. this weird thing that's happening with these guys now saying, I'm gonna wear a wig and do this. And just to prove to you guys that you need to admit that this isn't a good idea and that you're wrong.

And we're just gonna watch it play out. And I think that's what's happening in this next phase of things. It's like, who's gonna admit that they were, that, oh, in retrospect, who's gonna say in retrospect? Maybe I didn't behave properly. Maybe I didn't say the right thing. Maybe we reacted in a wrong way. who will, if all the housewives is about is, take accountability.

Is Andy Cohen ever going to take accountability? Are the Bravo executives ever going to take accountability and go, yeah, we freak the fuck out too. We got sick of the angry DMs and the emails. And we fell to this group of people that were acting like they had signs and pitchforks, but they didn't. They were just at home typing, saying fire this person, and we did. Yeah, and we have lawyers and everyone was freaking out and everyone didn't know what to do. And no, they're just going to act like it just didn't happen. And go watch them throw whining each other's faces and let us remind this isn't a political show and this is an escape.

You know, they probably should though. I think maybe if they're so sensitive about the politics of the cast members, maybe there should be a blanket rule in your contract that you can't talk about politics at all. Left, right, whatever. Or there should be a blanket rule that you will turn in your voting records to them. I mean, like, how far is it going to get? Like, are they literally going to go, we need to know if you've ever given to, we need to know what charities you've given to. They all better be LGBTQIA and pets. Yeah. They better not be anything else that could be anything but animals and that. And then we also need to know who you voted for.

for who your parents voted for. If you're, what countries your grandparents came from and how they got into here and like, I mean, how far is it going to go? Like, it's just, I mean, I understand you say something nasty on a tweet that is living on your page and you didn't

think to delete it before you met with the Bravo people, then you're maybe that fucking stupid. But also having really stupid housewives is also entertaining. I mean, that's why they're good television because they are. The narcissistic, stupid and personality. I just, I just, I just want to add in that it goes both ways.

Like, yes, 2020, it was one way. It was if you said anything that was, you know, politically incorrect, whatever. Now I kind of feel like more of the right are turning into Karen's and canceling people on the other side. So it goes both ways. It's annoying from both sides. I think, you know, I don't care if I'm watching, you know, a Trump supporter or an AOC supporter or whatever.

If they're good on the TV and they have a storyline that works for the show, I'm more than happy. But also, like, hating you. someone and thinking they're annoying and being bugged by them is what makes good reality TV. Yeah. If they were all sweet and lovely, you wouldn't watch either. Well, they tried to do it with Roney reboot and let's scale it back and have Jenna Lyons and look how that worked. It was not good. So, and now all of the Ramona and everyone now have their own show on E.

Because E was like, oh, we think they're good TV. We'll put them all together. Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. So, you know, I guess, yeah, with Vicky and then Emily, I guess, you know, they've, somebody figured it out. They found out that she went to a party and wrote a check. Well, you know, with Emily.

And she's just, she's kind of like, well, whatever, I don't feel that way now. So leave me the fuck alone. Yeah. But people do change. People change their politics. Maybe she did. I mean, I know plenty of people that supported one candidate a few years ago. And now it's 2026 and they're like, oh, I don't really like how things are going.

I think it's... I just remember there was a time was like, don't talk about politics or religion at the dinner table. And you went into a voting booth and the curtain, this is old days, curtain would cover because you weren't supposed to know. Yeah. And it's like when people say, I don't want, you know, go in person because I don't want to do a mail-in ballot, I'm like, I can see someone not wanting to do a mail-in ballot

because maybe some fricking fan is going to steal your mail and open it up and take a photo of it and say, you are! You voted against this proposition. But you know, back then as well, you think about, like, I don't think people made politics a whole personality back then. And we didn't have social media, so people didn't put out everything they're thinking and get on their Instagram stories and sound off.

Like, you're probably just at home and you see something on the news and you just talk to the person next to you and then you forget about it. But now you put it on social media. It's there forever and some Bravo fan digs it up. I'm like saying even us just talking a little bit about this I'm like wondering and I'm like no I don't care we're keeping it in the show like you're not going to fucking intimidate me because I'm talking about

Bravo this is an article about politics with Bravo and it is interesting that we discussed it and it is staying in juicy scope oh wait leave me the fuck alone about this shit and people can boycott whoever they want to yeah you can you can make the decision to not you can block people you don't have to watch the season You don't have to root for them. You don't have to go to BravoCon.

You don't have to wait in line to take a photo of the person that you hate. You could go and like the girl from Summer House that nobody knows. Do whatever the fuck you want. Like, you know, it's just so annoying. And also, it is just a reality show and there's no tenure. There's no, I was guaranteed 10 years and they got rid of me before I made tenure at the university. Like, it's just a TV show and there's no. guarantee that they're going to keep you forever. And when you're gone, you're gone. And maybe you

come back and maybe don't. It made you famous. So use that fame to your best to your ability, you know? I always think when people funnel their anger into getting angry at a reality star, it's like, direct that at, you know, public officials and politicians. I don't, you know, that energy could be better used in a more productive way than Vicki Gumbleson. But, you know, they need them to get, if you didn't care, then they wouldn't stay on the show either. So it's like they know that by going on the show that they're not going to be loved by everybody. And it is hard when you're not loved by everybody because I thought everyone loved me too. Ultimate Girls Trip is really fun.

Oh, you like it? I kind of like it. You don't like it. Tell me why you don't like it. I mean, I think it's a, it's like a clips show, basically. It's a clips show. And I think it is very much geared towards the diehard Bravo fan that is like, listening to 20 Housewives podcasts a week that is going to the Doreat Kemsley unburdened

book signing at Barnes & Noble and waiting an hour for a photo. And their biggest trip of the year is BravoCon. So I think it's cute for the fans, the diehard fans. But otherwise, it's a clips show. Well, one of the clips I saw did turn me on. Okay. And it's coming up in the next episode. Okay. And they're waiting at the sand and sea, sand and surf in Laguna, which I've stayed up many times. And they're getting ready to go on the bus to head back to L.A. where they're going to go to Kyle's white party. And I'm in that one.

I went to that party. And they're like, where's Kyle? Oh, I don't know. She was here a second ago. And she's in a bush and crying. And Vicky comes over and she's like, what's wrong, you know? And you think like, this is great, you know. This is two housewives that have been on for.

of the longest time coming together. And Kyle's like, I just, today is my 30th wedding anniversary. And Maricio just texted me. And I'm just, it's just like a weird day. And it's like a sad day. And I'm just having a hard time. And Vicki's like, well, you should have a hard time. You failed your whole family.

She's like, I mean, it should. Yeah, no. You should have stayed together for your kids. Well, it's really hard too because the, yeah, you've let everyone down. I thought that you were the couple that was going to make it forever, but you didn't. You gave up. You gave up, and now you're getting divorced, and you broke up your family. So you should cry about it, and you should feel bad.

And you should work, and you should sell kind of insurance. Well, I was like, it's so awful that if this was in a scripted sitcom, and I was working on that show, I would say, it's too unbelievable. No woman in her right mind would go up to Kyle knowing what she's been through and say, yeah, you did fail the world. Nobody would say that. But Vicki does. And that is why she's terrible as a friend in this capacity, or she's clueless or she's just old and white and narcissistic. But this is an insane scene that captivated me. So like, yes, I'm captivated by how horrific it is.

Yes. When someone's crying their eyes out, that you would then turn it around. Any normal person would say, Kyle, I know, you have had the way to the world on your shoulders because you guys did present so perfect. But it's about your life. And the fact that you're still friends today says so much. Your daughters are all close to each other. You have a fabulous family. Don't be hard on yourself.

That's what a normal woman would say. You guys, I am so excited. I'm coming to San Francisco Cobbs, October 2nd and 3rd, four shows, and then I'll be at the Desert Ridge Improv in Phoenix on October 9th and 10th. Those tickets are all available at Heather McDowell.net with VIP experiences. That includes meet and greets. Go get those before they sell out. Thank you.

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to OCE for season 20, because we need that, and that was an incredible moment. My theory with Vicky, I had heard before, because you know how she came back on OC for a few seasons and she was a friend. And she was all just like, I hate fighting. Like, I want us to all get along. I basically heard that she's not going to do stuff like that unless she's getting a paycheck. So I think she thinks these things, but I think she is self-aware that in her day-to-day life, she doesn't say it.

But then if there's a check on the table, she's just going to say whatever she's thinking. Yes. I mean, it almost seems too unbelievable. I don't think she would do it in real life. I mean, obviously, probably a producer said, Kyle's upset. She's over there. Make sure you go and talk to her.

Maybe that was the most that was pre-planned. Yeah. But could it have been, I do think that she literally, that's what she thinks, like you did fuck up. Yes, I believe she thinks that. Because she still says to this day,

I regret breaking up with Dawn. And she just said she ran into him at the Nest, which is like, you'll have to come next time we go. It is, it's very, fun dancing and it's a variety of aged people out in Laquita. Love the owner. Shout out to Doty

the owner. She's fabulous. And she's like said, I saw Dawn there and she was like, Don. She's living with her boyfriend in a house they share out there. And she was like and I regret it. I regret you know, cheating on

Don that time with that guy in Cabot with and Tamara said you call me the next day and you were like a naked guy's in my bed and She's like, you're disgusting camera. Like, it was so, like, that type of this stuff, which is just, like, the most, you guys are such, I'm so sick of this show talking about friendships when they are all horrible friends to each other. Yes. They don't keep each other's secrets.

Not only do they reveal the secrets, they reveal it on the reunion when the most eyes are on it and they know it's going to be replayed for the next 30 years. Yes. Like, they are, so why are we talking about, none of them are good friends. Everyone hates each other. I don't believe any of them would be hanging out or talking to each other if they weren't on TV. Yeah, well, that's the new season of Orange County is let's just talk about our friendship, which. Oh, wait, I want to just go to this. This was Lou Anne.

Luanne did a big New York magazine cover and an article. And it was said, Countess Luan will drink you under the table. And I'm like, this is the title? Like, we do remember that she got arrested for drunken disorderly. She wasn't behind the wheel. Yes. Like Shannon Mador, she was not behind the wheel. She was confused at what room she was in and she drank too much.

And from there she did go to rehab. She went to A.A. She was in the cop car. Remember the dash cam, the dash cam cops footage of her. Right. She got her wrists out of the thing. And she did her AA meetings. And I remember she was doing the AA meetings when they were in Miami.

And she brought Sonia. And Sonia's like, I don't like this. were depressing. And she's like, she likes to go up there and tell her story. I'm like, yeah, she's working on her act for the cabaret. I used to think what I needed to get time for stand-up. I literally was like, I could give two birds with one stone because I found all the best agents went to this one AA meeting off of Robertson and I needed an agent.

And I was like, what if I just started like going to AA meetings saying I'm a struggling stand-up that is an alcoholic and then maybe an agent would discover me, but I'd also could get stage time. Yes, I mean, that's brilliant. That could be a TV show. Have you sold that? I just give the stories out, just do this stupid show. But anyway, and also in this, she's smoking.

She's doing two things that are not great for someone to do when they're 20 or when they're 62. Well, it was funny that after her whole, you know, drunken arrest scandal was all in the show, she was sort of like had to like masquerade as she was sober and she was, you know, going, it's like we all knew that she wasn't. Everyone knew that she wasn't. Everyone knew that she didn't think she had a problem. And then she just waited it out. Now she's on the cover of New York magazine boasting about how she can drink anybody under the table.

I mean, I just talked about Brad Pitt going back to drinking after being sober for seven years. And yes, before it was seen that she was partaking in champagne or a white wine, I was hanging out with her and she was having champagne and white wine or rosé or whatever. But she never seemed drunk to me. And I don't ever see the, I didn't really think she, out of the spectrum of drunk housewives, she was not one. She just had a bad night. Right.

I mean, she fell in the bush, but that was more like a, like, she didn't see the step. She was potting. Yeah, but I never really saw like, oh, when, you know, we saw Dorinda slur and get really mean. We've seen Shannon Bador get really drunk. We've seen Tamara get very drunk.

Yeah. I feel like Vicky seems to be able to maintain her alcohol. Lisa Vaynerpump could always maintain it. Even Kyle kind of surprised me that she went sober. Because I definitely feel like she maintained, at least on camera when she would drink. Yeah. She seemed to be okay. So like with her, I was kind of like, I really think she had a bad night and had to go that route.

And I think that she has a lifestyle that lends itself to having a couple drinks. She's never missed a show. No. You know? So it's like I feel when she has a cabaret show, she gives a good show. I'm sick of sober housewives and I'm sick of sober people in general because I did not. And my dad, my dad was an alcoholic and sober and everything. So I heard about all the AA constantly.

A.A. people like to preach a lot. Were you around when he was still suffering with alcoholism? A little bit, but he got sober when I was young and then, you know, a lot of preaching and he would be the sober companion for people, so I've heard it all. And I didn't drink that much in Australia. And then when I moved here, there is alcohol everywhere. It's crazy. Like, it's not normal in Australia to just go out for brunch and people trying to like shove mimosas down your, you know, neck. And I started drinking more when I got here and I love it. And everyone's going sober now and I'm like, it's so boring. No, I love it. Love a cocktail at any time of the day.

Well, you know what? It's to each is own. Yeah. It's fun. And if people want to not drink or they want to go a healthy route or a gummy route. I don't want to hear it, though. It's sort of become like the new vegetarianism. You know how people would get annoyed at vegetarians going, oh, my God, why are you eating meat? Like that's so bad for the environment. It's so bad for the animals. And now everyone's like, oh, I don't drink.

It's like, well. Well, I only see the sober stuff like on TikTok and stuff. Yeah. And I'm like, how does this bitch know I need to curtail it? But my own friends don't, they still drink the way we've all drank. Yeah. You know. But it is a bummer when you were like ready to have a fun weekend and someone's like,

um, no. But also that is the GLP ones too. Yeah, true. It makes you less, it just, you don't want to have that second drink or even that first. And so it's like a win-win except for the people that invited you out. There's a lot of housewives getting sober. Like Gina on OC, I love her and I've always been. a huge Gina and Emily Defender.

But, you know, if they were going to split them up and they had to get rid of one, I would get rid of Gina just solely because she's sober. Well, it's not even just sober. It's like ordering hot water. Yeah. They don't even order hot water with a lemon. Like really hot water is what you're starting with at 4 o'clock on a Saturday? Like a hot water.

And I'm like, I mean... You've got to get shit-faced. Like, I mean, O.C., how many fun moments have we seen with the... Even back when the Trace Amegas were getting along well and they were dancing on bars and doing shots and Emily drinks and gets mean and calls people out. Yeah, but then that does live in infamy for you. So it is more fun for us at home. But I could see why if I had a bad season or I got really drunk or I mean, sometimes I just like, you know, you look back at like a video from the night and you like hear your voice and you're like, oh, that sounds different. Like that's so, and I can't imagine that like being on TV.

I probably would be that person that barely drank on camera. Gina's never looked better. She looks absolutely stunning. She's so successful. She's got the marriage together. The career is thriving. If she leaves housewives, she will be a successful realtor. So it's clearly working for her. But for me, as a viewer, I liked the hair extensions and the drinking and the personal issues. I mean, what do you want to say about this show? I just, the OC, there's nothing to say. It's just a lot of talking. It's just a lot of talking. about friendships and okay here's what I think they need to do because I like most of the cast they're just missing kind of an active like they're just missing something juicy okay it's like they're almost there Shannon it's time for Shannon to go if you got to get rid of one of the trace amegas it's got to be Shannon I want Alexis Bolino back I thought she was so good that season I thought it was I was so upset when they did not bring her back clearly because of

Shannon because you know Shannon just happened at the best season of her entire housewives career that year. I want Alexis back and yeah, maybe another new person because the Carmella girl's good. You know, I like Vicky. I like everybody else. I do like Emily and Gina. I'm just saying if you had to get rid of one, it would be Gina just because she doesn't drink. Yeah, so Alexis and someone new and then will be good. So keep Emily. Yeah, I love Emily. Here was my article. Oh, yes, your feud. Maybe you can join. why she stopped speaking to Heather McDonald and recalls their recent

interaction report, Bacchmania. We already talked about that. She's still bitter about it. She's still bringing it up. She's still claiming she doesn't fall on purpose, whatever. That's fine. It was all a joke. Like, it was all a joke because you know, that's the way she is and I've been imitating housewives

forever. So she's just one that I can do. But are you going to do more because I texted you after I saw that and I said Heather, you need to make this like a running bid. You need to be filming yourself going shopping, doing pratfalls at, you know, marshals. So are we going to see more of it? Because I want it. Maybe, yeah, because I mean, falling is funny. So that's why she does it. It was very funny. And like I said, I hope it is an act. I really do. I would rather be an act than like

something else. But who cares? It's just, it's, yeah, I just feel like it's. Well, she's saying it's a balance issue or something now, but it's like on, now on the valley, everyone is saying it's postpartum for every bad thing they did. I had postpartum rage. I had baby brain. I mean, everything is now blamed on that. So you were clearly falling on purpose for a bit.

Well, at least reality blurr picked really good photos, really cute photos of both of us. Oh, and sorry, did you see on, yeah, she's beautiful. On girls' trip when Vicky was getting tangled up in the wig, it's like they're always doing, they're always doing a bit.

oh I can't get my wig off it's like girl like you can get the wig off it's it's fine well yeah it's gonna be a lot of costumes and a lot of things like that very set up type of stuff but I still think getting tangled in a yo-yo string yeah I still think that's where why andy like said that like just watch the watch the show enjoy it yeah get angry let step away from who I gave the mazzle to last week like just you know okay we talked about The Valley, the Valley, we haven't seen the second part yet, which you guys will be able to watch tonight. Or the night, yeah. They'll be watching about the time they'll listen to Juicy Scoop.

I, a lot of people were just really shocked by Danny's appearance. And someone, I saw this somewhere where they said, I heard that one of the producers took the stuffing out of his couch seat to make him appear smaller. And I just thought the visual of some guy before they came on set And his job was to like I don't know how you would take out of stuff No one did that What he's just that small And then just to sink down I think he wanted to get his jaw max done

Or whatever we call the maxing Oh yeah, the looks maxing So I think he lost a lot of weight And then I think he got Botox and I think he dyed his hair darker And that's why he looks so different in this reunion Yes Because look at him here Yeah, he looks hot there

Like look how much rounder his faces and stuff And she looks exactly the same So I don't think this was too long ago Yeah, he was looks maxed in a little too hard Yeah like look That really is a big difference right And it's it's like scary too Like there's something quite chilling about the image

It's kind of cursed And then we do I know they do talk about what happened at Jasmine's wedding Well he says He goes I haven't because he was so drunk on the finale. Remember, he's slurring in the back. In Mexico. Yes. No, no, in the, the, Britney's Halloween party. Oh, the Count Dracula stuff. And then Janet tries to throw the drink and misses, so then she throws the cup instead because the drink missed. Yeah. And he was,

goes, I have not been that drunk since that night. And then Britney's like, well, let's talk about the wedding. And then we haven't seen the full episode, but in the preview, they say that he went to Jasmine. Jasmine's wedding and he had, he was so drunk, he had his shirt off and his shoes off in the corridor or something. So, you know, another, another lie of him saying, I haven't been drinking and then he has. So then someone had to like me kind of babysit him again, I'm sure. Yeah. And that's pretty inappropriate at all. I mean, I know you let loose at a wedding, but if you're taking your clothes off at someone's wedding. But still, it's someone else's wedding. Yeah. Like you have to. You can get shit-faced at a wedding, but don't take your clothes off and

your shoes off. Like, that's like taking it a little too far. I'm just remembering some weddings right now That you've got a little wild at Not wild Just too like wanting to make toasts and stuff When I'm not in the wedding party Like too emotional I have a wedding coming up

And I'm going to be so well behaved I am not making any toast So wait are you Are you kind of like the girl that then they're like Don't invite Heather to your wedding Because at Janelle's wedding She made the most uncomfortable toast, and we were all just, it was awful. Is that you?

Who was Janelle? I'm just making someone up, but I'm just like, did you do that? No, I think people are really entertained by it. And it's all from a good heart, and I don't make it about me. Like, it is really like this person is, this is just, I have to talk. I have to say something. Because that's what it's giving. And no, and then there'll just be times.

I'll just be like, I don't know, just walking to like Trader Joe's, and I, and it'll haunt me. Like, it'll be like a visual of like, why did you to make a toast when you were like three shards in? Just don't. Have you seen that clip of the little girl? Well, she's not that little. She's probably like 11 or 12.

And it's on a flight. And the flight has stopped. And her mom lets her get up on the speakerphone. And she sings an entire theme song from Moana. The whole song, off key. Off key. Yes. She sounds terrible.

And everyone's there. And it's like the flight's been delayed like four hours. So they're sitting there locked in the Delta flight. She's seeing the Moana theme song. I'm Darmann, and this is what happens next. Each week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a way to turn them into their greatest strengths.

Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me. When your free will was about to be taken from you, what would you do if it was given back? Where did that need come from where you thought that you had to succeed in order to feel loved? He said, I have a work dad. I need a home dad. What happens next? When I came in he started crying.

Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not those hard moments that they go through. It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dar, I'm not going to pull punches. You can use your voice even if it's shakes.

The stories are different, but the impact. is the same. Only one question matters. What happens next? Um, I was from a family where my parents would have people over and my dad would be like, little girls and we'd have to come down the hall and sing songs from Annie. And but we're pretty good. Okay. And, but still, we've never done it in a public place without it being like a church play. Okay. You haven't done it at a wedding.

Have you sung at a wedding? No. Okay. I had, okay, I had someone say, would you want to sing or be a brie a bridesmaid? I said, bridesmaid. And then the other one was I sang. Oh, God. I sang at my sister's wedding.

What did you sing? She asked me to do it. And I just, and it was such a problem because I'm like, it made, like, the lead up to it. Like, I was so stressed about it when I could have just been having fun. Yeah. I sang Alva Maria. Can I ask a question? Was the sister that you don't get along with?

Was she there? Yes. But it was my sister Shannon that I sang there for. Yes, but was the sister that doesn't like you? Was she in attendance at that wedding? Yes. And was she like fucking Heather again? I don't know.

It was such a long thing. If you've been to a real Catholic Mass wedding, it's like an hour and a half. Was she asked to sing? No, but she wouldn't have walked. She wasn't, like, just Shannon and I are like singers. Okay. But I remember, like, there's two ways to sing Aubrey Maria,

and I decided to do it like in a lower key because I thought, I don't know if I can get to those high notes. And someone was like, oh, I didn't realize you had such a weird low voice. So instead that did me like at the wedding after it. And I was just like, well, I don't know. I don't think there's two ways to sing it. I think he's... Grossio Plano.

There's like all this like Latin in there. Maria, Grosio. I don't remember, but like, yeah. And I did it because I was supposed to be, I got chosen to do it in high school and then the music teacher said, no, you're not doing it. And so it's been like this thing like,

let Heather sing that Avey Maria and I just. So her wedding game about you fulfilling your childhood dream. So I don't know, I was just for daddy after this, to remember being shirtless, shoeless, and celebrating. a lesbian wedding and being there with bells on. Now, would you rather have someone be a bump on a log and not be overly invested in your wedding day?

Or would you rather have them take up their clothes, jump in the pool, make a toast when they weren't set to make a toast and sing and do the splits? I'd rather than be a wet blanket and stay out of my way. It's my day. You're not taking over. I agree. I agree.

You change your mind again. I do really love weddings. Okay, so I finally watch the end of Stasi. Oh my God. And I want to get your opinion of what do you think of the show and where it's going? I think it's without a doubt the worst reality show I've ever seen. I hate it so much. I hate everything about it.

I hate the fourth wall breaking. It is so obnoxious. It's not done in a clever way. It's just like every two seconds, like someone nudging you in the rib like get it it's fake it's a reality show it's very annoying the cast is really really bad it's not a good cast um i used to love stasi i was a long time starcy fan and i used to think like i could be friends with stacey like i could be in her friend group like now i i wouldn't want to be friends with her and she has no friends as you see on the

show like i i dislike her i dislike the show it's horrible well remember it was supposed to be Stasi says. Yes. And it was supposed to be a comedic docu-series. So it was always going to be like a fake reality show type of thing,

like an office. Or like when we did after lately, it was all these stories. We played ourselves, but we played it like funny, exaggerated versions of ourselves, but we played ourselves, working at Chelsea lately.

And throughout the year there'd be funny things that would happen and we'd come back from a weekend and tell a story. And right away, like one of the writers would put that in a file of like that would be a really good storyline when we start doing after lately again and sometimes a story that would happen to me they would give to like oh two guys

go to a bar and this happens like you know the other characters or whatever because it just makes more so we would take these things and then some of them things would be made up but a lot of most of it was like what had happened so i kind of thought that's what she was going to do and like hey this is what's happened in my life in last three years with my mommy friends and this and that so we'll just sort of of acted out but we're playing ourselves. I think that's what they attempted to do and that didn't really work. And then they were like kind of in the edit, maybe re-shot or redid the confessionals to then make it this more dramatic thing, leading up to this dramatic thing, like, is their marriage going to last? Well, okay, there's so many thoughts. Yes, they probably tried a bunch of

different things. I had heard they actually just filmed it as like a normal reality show and then it was stuck in product because they didn't have anything juicy. And then they had to add that meta concept of like, oh, we're actually going to make it a show about making a show. That's why every confessional is like that. But in scene, they're not talking about it as much, but it's very much in the confessionals. Also, your marriage breaking down to Bo is not a strong enough story to carry an entire season. Like, that is like, if you were on the Valley, that would be your storyline as part of an ensemble cast with a bunch of other people having stuff. going on. You know, like she's not, she's just, it's not juicy enough to carry a whole season.

Well, you know what I also think is interesting is like, we haven't really seen her with Bo for like, you know, it's not like she and Bo for like eight years, but it wasn't like we have a reference. Yeah. Like why do we care? You know, there are Kyle and Mauricio. Yeah. So when you see that you're like, oh my God, you know, and you can look back and you can see what happened and where did, where did the crack start or whatever? And then when someone said, oh, I've listened to their Patreon for years, they're totally fine. Like, they have a great relationship. Then I was like, are we all being gaslit?

Was this all planned? Like, listen, one argument that we have is that you're the stay-at-home dad and I, like, go. I mean, when she went, I saw an interview when she's like, I get my lashes done, I do the EMS, workout things, I do this, I do that. Yeah, no wonder you're like busy. Yeah. And basically, she's just like, yeah, I'm not super into the nighttime routines with the kids crying and everything.

and Beau's better at that. And okay. Well, at the end of the show, she has this huge meltdown when all of her friends have a friend intervention about her marriage. But it's also that's so weird.

Yeah, it's, it is. I can't imagine all my friends being like, you and Peter need to get, like, they would go and talk about it behind my back. Like, nobody would go say it to you at your birthday and then say, like, it's your fault.

And I did feel for her at that moment when she's just like, I make her. all the money, motherfucker. I make all the money. What more do you want? And I feel ganged up upon it. And you're doing this as part of the show to make me look like an evil witch. Guess what? You know, off with your head. None of you are coming back on this show. Kiss the, you know, the $3,000 you made per episode goodbye because it's not happening second season. I'm going to find some other people. Also, we can't repeat this next year. So I just think, I think you're all like, I don't know what to do because the producer's telling me that I have to tell you that you're an awful person. But I know if I tell you're a an awful person, you're going to not want me on the show next year. But I don't even know if that was real because she spent so much of the show being like, well, I'm going to throw a dinner party and you know what happens at a dinner party on a show like this?

There's a fight. So there's going to be drama. So she does the whole season like that. So then at the end, I'm like, oh, are you just like, are you having this huge overreaction to make us think that it's real? But this is actually all fake as well. And it's not that juicy. By the way, you mentioned Kyle and Mauricio.

It's like, yes, one, we're invested in them because we watched them. for 15 years or whatever. And then she still, that her marriage breakdown was part of an ensemble cast that everyone else had their own storylines going. It wasn't like an entire show about Kyle and Mauricio, like this is. So it's just like very, it's poorly made. They clearly got Katie Maloney in because they were like,

we don't have anything. Like this cast is not good. I mean, that sister, Beau's Italian sister, who at Hulu greenlit being like, yeah, she can be part of the main character. Like what? Oh my God. And then the finale, there's another moment where that Taylor Strecker, which is her best friend and podcast host, names her baby after Bo.

It's like, I'm naming my... Well, she, okay, she says she's having a baby, her wife is having a baby, they're lesbian. Yes. And she said, I don't feel connected because I'm not carrying the baby and the baby's not biologically mine. So in choosing the name, my mom's maiden name or something was like Bodine or something. and so the baby's going to be Bo Dean or something like that, but the nickname is going to be Bo. And she does look over and say to him.

And so then he's like, oh my God. And then later on she goes, I hope he doesn't think that we named the child after him. We didn't. We just really like the name Bo Dean. And it's just coincidentally, Bo would be a cuter nickname. And it happens to also be Stasi's husband's name.

This made no sense because then if you're not naming it after him, then why are we having, why are you announcing it in front of him? and then everyone's crying and you're like, and then you're going in your confessional saying, actually I didn't name it off to him. It's the worst show. I hate it so much.

I always remember when Brody Jenner was engaged to a woman named Caitlin. Yes. And then, you know, Caitlin became Caitlin Jenner. And I remember I said to Caitlin, did you think about that when you... Wait, you said that to Caitlin Jenner or did it? I said to Caitlin Jenner. And she said, no.

Never thought of it? And then they ended up, I think they got married and divorced or it wasn't a real marriage, but now he's with somebody else and they're expecting their second child and they're married and her name is not Caitlin. But I do think sometimes when you're like choosing names and things like that, you almost want to avoid a name that's too close to someone in your life because you're like, I don't want you to think I copied your kid's name or like I wouldn't, maybe I don't get along with my brother.

So like I don't want my brother's name as something. Like it was a little bit. But it was bizarre. Again, we're talking about it. So it's like there are certain things. I watched it. I think we're talking about it in a bad way. I don't think we're talking about it in a positive way.

I was just so curious. And I don't know if I was curious because I personally know some of these people. And I'm curious how these shows get greenlit and what they do with them and how they do it in a different way. So to me, it was very, it kept my curiosity. It did get incredible, you know, viewership. I don't know if it did. I thought it was like number one on. Hulu or something. I think it was number one for like a day and then it slipped. It's hard to know

with the streaming, but I think it'll be coming back. Yeah, well, look, they seem to greenlight anything at Hulu. It's like no one watches Vandapalbilla. And you know what's so funny about Hulu? Have you noticed how now every single Hulu show has to have the Mormon wives in it? Because it's like they use the Mormon Wives success to put every show over. They're on everything. They were even on the premiere like going after Sheena. Yeah. And my predictions that Sheena will be on season two of House of Stasi. Maybe or she'll have her own version of it.

I don't think she'll get her own. I think Hulu will be like Stasi, this show is not very good. You need to bring in some more Vandapum people to mix it up with Katie. Was Stasi and Sheena ever close really close? No, but they're like OG rivals. That's why they'll want to bring her back because they hate each other. Yeah, but then that feels inauthentic that you'd ever be hanging. out. Yeah, but then Stars, because it's a

meta, fourth wall, Stacey's going to be like, I know that we hate each other, but like, look, Disney told me that I had to bring on Sheena and we're making a show, wink, wink, so here she is. Like, that's literally what the show is. That's what she'll do. Yeah, I don't know. It's horrible. Sorry, Stacey.

L.A. News. The Lakers was bought for $12 billion by Bob Eigner, who is the president of Disney. Stasi's boss. And Josh Kushner, Like the Kushners. Yes.

I mean, they've freaking owned everything now, don't they? And so it's 12 billion and that's it. You said, I don't know what that means. I'm like, I don't really know either. Yeah. I don't know if it'll make the tickets more expensive. I mean, I know Jeannie Bus, and I think it's good for her family. And that's it.

All right. Let's talk about Shards. This is the show that is based off the book of Brett Easton Ellis. who wrote Less than Zero, that movie, that was really when I read that book when I was in high school, that is what made me want to go to USC. Oh, I love that.

Because it was about the private schools in L.A. And how he went to, you know, how his friends went to USC, and he went to this college on the East Coast and the time during those two, three weeks that you come home for Christmas and you feel like you're so much older and so much cooler because you're not living at home anymore.

And so that was that book. And then this is basically the character, the main character, is Brett Easton Ellison. It's while he is a senior at, I think it's Harvard, Westlake. Yeah, I think so. Or a version of that type of school in L.A. And what's amazing is that Kaya Gerber, who is Cindy Crawford's daughter, she is on it. And she and her mom look so much alike. It's insane.

It's crazy. It's literally insane. And like I had a friend whose daughter looked just like her. And she just said one day she just looked at her daughter and said, excuse me, can I have my body back now? Like, what the fuck is this? How did I, how did you suddenly walk out of the bedroom and look like me? Like 30 years ago, I'd like that.

I would like that ass. That was mine. I would like that stomach. I mean, Cindy's still gorgeous. But like it must be like I'm like when your daughter looks that much like you, do you not see it? Cindy sees that I read an interview with her years ago. and she basically said that she dealt with jealousy.

She said it was hard. As she ages and obviously her whole careers around her looks, she's known as like in the 90s. It was her and Claudia Schiffer were like the top. And then she's seeing her daughter now on the cover of Vogue and everything and looks exactly like her, but like taller and skinnier. I mean, quite honestly, more beautiful than she was in her heyday.

But I love Steve Crawford's looks because she had brown hair and brown eyes. and at the time that was seen as like ethnic. Like literally everybody was blonde and blue-eyed, Christy Brinkley and stuff. So she was like the first one that like my brunette friend and I wanted to act like we looked like her and we did our hair and you know, loved that look. I think the difference in their looks is that I think Kya is skinnier and has like a more

high fashion. And I think that Cindy had a bit more of a glamorous like almost like a bit of a brunette Anna Nicole. Yeah. Like when she did the Diet Kocads and everything. Didn't she do like a few like sexy movies in the 90s? Oh, Pepsi, yeah. Yeah, they tried to make her movie start and it was really, really bad.

She tried once and then she was like, I'm out. Then she did, then she had this thing where she's like, I met a French skin doctor that realized that the inside of a melon is what can make your skin last forever. So then she made a shit ton of money on this like melon serum. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

And anyway, so she is an epa baby. And then she's dating in the show, the character that plays her boyfriend is, isn't it? Yes. Which one here is Robert, is Richard, is this Richard Gere's son? No, no, move over. It's him. This one's Richard Gere? Yes, that's Richard Gere's son.

Yes, Homer Gear. Oh, I thought it was this one because I thought he looked kind of like. So, anyway, yeah, so they're both on the show together. and she did say, I've only ever been a Nepo baby, and I've only ever benefited in my career from it. But I also find myself doing it for doing it to other Nepo babies thinking like, okay, show me why you deserve this job. So I really like that honesty. And I saw an interview with the Forrester Girls, not Forrester, Foster, Foster, Foster. The Foster Girls.

Okay. The daughters of David Foster. Oh, yes, yes, yes. also have that nobody wants the show and the big clothing empire. And, you know, they were, they became famous for like writing funny tweets and people are like, who are these funny girls? And they've really taken their opportunities and their talent and done the most with it. And one of the girls was saying, one was saying, well, you just don't get if Emmy nominations because of who our parents are. And the other one said, yes, but we're here because we were in rooms

with CEOs, writers, actors. We were in rooms that the average person that comes to LA that's bartending right now, trying to sell their script, doesn't have the opportunity for the introduction, the advice, all of it, which, you know, I just think about the same thing with Kate Hudson. She's super talented. But we don't know that, you know,

Goldie Hawn had all of her filmmaking friends over, and then Kate came in there like, Kate, look at you how you've grown up. and she can act and sing too. Kate, we have, wait, I'm doing a movie right now. We need someone. This could be great. Yeah.

Let me see. And then they have, then she has access to all the best acting teachers and everything. And she gets the job and she executes it well. Like that is what, using your nepotism to the best degree and there's no secret. I've noticed, fun to watch. Yeah, she's good in the show. I mean, I love the show. I think it's really well done.

And she's talented. And I've noticed that there's a change in the PR strategy with the Nepo babies. Because also Gracie Abrams, she is. The singer, yeah. Yes. She came out. Yes. And she was like, I'm a Nepo baby.

I get it. Like, I got these opportunities. And if you look at some of the older Nepo babies like Gwyneth Paltrow and like Jamie Lee Curtis, they're very defensive about it. They're very much like, no, I worked so hard. Like, this is ridiculous. And now I think that, because we know that's so out of touch. Like, Hollywood is who you know. It's your connections.

That's like 80% of the battle. And I think now all of the young ones are being told by their publicists. Like, you cannot look like some brat that's being defensive about being an EPO baby. Like, you have to own it and you have to say like, yes, like, I'm here because of my opportunity, you know, my connections and family. I totally agree. And I mean, I remember when, you know, I worked with Trace Sales Ross, like she's super talented. She has a great look.

but I remember like how she told me she just did all these characters she had a camera in her kitchen she did all these characters and she made it a tape and she gave it to her agents which she got through her mom and said like I want to do comedy

characters now and they're like oh there's a sketch show going on right over here that you can do and that same sketch show lyricist's lounge I couldn't even get an audition for the only reason I got that is because the white girl they hired for it sucked and all the writers that

worked with me on Keenan was like, we know a white girl, I'd be good for this. That's how I got that audition. Like, because I'd written on another show, but like, and I still feel I had an advantage because I grew up here. So I didn't have to figure out how to get to places. I had a car. I had, you know, like, there's levels of all of it. And you have to be grateful for everything. And I don't think it's a flex to say, who cares how you got there? If you have the opportunity, don't waste it. If you have the privilege, use it. You just have to be good. You have to be good.

And then along the way, help some other people to shine, you know? But if you're a Nepo baby getting an opportunity and you're not good, like I think Gracie Abrams sucks. She seems like a nice girl, but I think the music's horrible. And so it's kind of frustrating watching her. But then when you see other Nepo babies that are thriving and killing it, you're like, all right, good. And can you imagine how much the producers must have been wetting their pants to cast Cindy Crawford's

daughter and Richard Gears son together? and have them do scenes and everything because Richard Gere and Cindy Crawford were married in like the 90s. So I mean... Were they married or did they just date? They were together? I think they were married.

Okay. They were briefly. Well, they were definitely together. It was like a high profile 90s hot romance. Definitely. Yes. And so you wanted to ask me about... Now, the year of this is he's a senior in 1981.

Yes. Now, I was not a senior in 1981. I would have been 10. Okay. So, but I had older siblings who were in high school at that time, and I did live in the Valley, just outside, you know, which is L.A. proper. And you came of age throughout the 80s. And it came at the age of the 80s and all of that. So, like, definitely the convertible Mercedes was, that was a sign that, like, your family made it.

And, oh, there's this one scene. So they were at this fancy school. And Kyra Gerber's character is the student body president, which is believable. and what was not believable is when she goes, oh, I talked to the principal today, and he wants me to throw a party for this new student because he was like in a mental institution before. And I mean, you know what I'm going to say?

You might have not caught it. So she's in what is supposed to be the principal's office, which is a big fancy office, because it's a rich school, it's Harvard Westlake. And he comes around, he's like, I want you, and she's like this. There is no way. in a billion years that a kid who was a student body president in 2026 or 86 or 76 would ever be sitting like this with their leg up and their knee socks and I'm like who thought of that who I need to know

these are the things that like I need to ask was that Ryan Murphy's idea was that her idea how did someone go there's no way that she would do that unless she's trying to fuck the principal if that comes later in the show that they're fucking, then I will say, okay, that was okay. So not even like a rich kid that's out partying and doing coke and everything would have the balls to sit like that in the office? Never ever in 1981. No, not true. Well, the show is extremely kind of like heightened and stylized.

I mean, it's very soapy and over the top. You know, even like the mirrors in the, I think one of them, the mom, she has like a big pink clam shell mirror and it's like the old like Shalimar. and everything like it's so old school. I love all that kind of stuff is sort of fun like with it and it's like and it's so interesting because like I'll follow like some accounts that are like there's an estate sale and it'll be like a woman that's now probably you know 78 or 8 that was like that mom in the 80s that had all that was the chicest woman you know around like that was

friends with Chris Jenner you know like back in the day and like this is what their, you know, they still have all these items and like now everybody wants these items and they want their house to look, you know, from that era. So I think that's all, I think that's all really fun. The show looks beautiful and it's, and it's filmed in L.A. You know what's crazy? They almost didn't film it in L.A. And Ryan Murphy had to like put his foot down and be like the whole show is about that. But it's nice to see L.A. in a positive light because I just feel like there's so much now you turn on the news and they're like, there's crackheads everywhere and it's, you know, it's like Mad Max and it's cool to see something that shows LA very, like, glamorous and fun.

So one of the things that really did affect LA a lot that has to do with this, that like this will be a knowledge that most people don't have, is they did this thing from 1978 to like, it bled into the early 80s where they had a thing called the busing. Okay. And there was some, like, there was a lawsuit within the city. And they said, okay, we're going to take kids. Like your high school could be like down the street from you. And they're like, you're going to get on a bus and you're going to go to South Central and you're going to go to school there.

And we're going to take kids from South Central and you're going to bring them to Woodland Hills. Okay. And there's nothing you can do about it. That's it. To like mix up the different socioeconomic groups. Yeah. But you're putting people on a bus. for two hours when you're paying for taxes

for your school down the street. And it set the private school world in the San Fernando Valley on fire. Oh, okay. I mean, these schools that were suffering to get people were like 500 people trying to get 90 spots. And so that really, that is what broke up LA public schools and made it such an economy

of where everyone goes, you gotta go to private. You gotta go private. Because after that, even when it stopped, they never gained those people that left. Oh, okay. They'd already gone to the Catholic schools or the private schools and then their younger siblings. And then they never sent their kids to public school. And like that is something that is very interesting. So at that time, it was like that's when it started.

So it's like they were the only, like those kids were the ones going to private school. But a lot of kids would be, you know, it wasn't a bad thing to be at the public school. Yeah. And then it was like, oh, you peasant, like, you better be in. And so I thought that was kind of interesting and kind of seeing like his perspective of the rich and how they talk about different schools and things like that. That's what like really interested. Do you feel like growing up in L.A. in the 80s was like the best time to grow up? Because I feel like everyone as they get older, they always think that whatever their coming of age time was was like the best.

You know, but like do you look back? Do you think that was the best era? Do you compare it to your kids now? No, I don't think it was the best. I think it was fucking scary. Okay. Because there was hitchhiking, so people would hitchhike and get killed. So I do like that it's like he kind of took all that crime and created a story.

Oh, because they had like Manson murder stuff in there and everything. People were kidnapped. People were killed. You had a harder time finding those people because there was no like tracking their phones or Megan's law or anything like that. And then there was, and people would say, oh, they're just a runaway, so you wouldn't know. And, I mean, I'm now, like, I'm thinking about that. And, yeah, I think it was like, and people didn't know, like, how dangerous, you know, drugs could be. Like, the way they're, like, smoking, like, doing Coke and stuff all the time.

Like, that seemed to be, like, glamorous and fun. Kids don't do that now. No, people. I didn't ride bikes with helmets. People, like, kids, like, died. Like, I'm thinking. I knew like several families where like a bad car accident would happen or something. And it was like.

But it's like Zoomers now, Gen Z, don't have sex. Don't do drugs. Don't really, you know, part. I mean, remember Brandy Glanville came out recently? And she's like, I wish my kid would do some coke or something. He's so boring. She's obviously joking. But like, there is a thing.

And even Ryan Murphy, who's doing the shards, he said that he didn't make the show that sexual compared to like a euphoria. Because Gen Z now are like, they don't like to see sex on TV. They freak out. They're like, why is there a sex scene in this? Well, like, it's weird to see like a cut, like how old they act. Yeah. But that was what they, that's the way people acted.

Like, like, there were like serious couples that were like in high school. Like where. You're like, you're going to get married. Yeah, they're like wearing shoulder pads. Like, I remember like one time I went over to this guy asked me out and he picked me up. But we went to this other person's house and the girl. had made the whole meal. And then like when I was like in college, like when I went to college, this girl had her

own apartment. Like we were in the doors. She had her own apartment. And she had just like made a fabulous meal for like her 26 year old boyfriend. I'm like, what is going on? Like you're 18? Like I don't know. It was just.

Yeah. Like people just acted like older. They looked older. Like haven't you seen when people say, why does everyone look like 35 when they're like this is what high school look like? Everyone, like, looked old and dressed older. Yeah. And acted older.

And bullying was really acceptable. And some people would say, oh, maybe that's why we are the way we are, whatever. And why we're nicer to our kids because, like, it was so awful. Yeah. But, yeah. I mean, but also, like, yes, there was no, there was no social media to, like, haunt you forever. True, yeah. Just your own vision of waking up and going, oh, God, you know.

Speaking of looking. older by the way one last thing kaya gober does not look like a high school senior in this show she looks like 28 how old is she in real life 24 i think or 23 well again like it is it is kind of interesting when you see someone that's like that like even you know and they don't and they have wrinkles in their forehead because and the she wears heavy makeup she wears very heavy makeup in it i'm just looking up her exact age um yeah she does not pull off being a high school student yeah that whatever, my internet's not working here. But, you know, I love the show.

Do you remember when she dated Pete Davidson? Did she? Was she one of the many? Yes, when she was like 18 and he was like a total drug addict. And I remember like the parents had to like go and like rescue her because he was like suicidal. And I'm just thinking, God, they were probably just like, please don't have him to influence you and start getting tattoos or get pregnant. Like, where you're just like praying that your child does not end up with someone like that? I thought he was hot though.

I liked him when he was tattooed and on drugs, so I get it. Well, now he's a single dad. He's not with the woman, and he's getting the tattoos removed. I know. It's a shame. Is he particularly funny or talented? I don't know. I don't think that many.

I think I said to you once, I said, Heather, I'm like, you and Meg Stolter are like the only people I think are funny. So. You're obsessed with Honey Boo Boo Boo Boo's sister pumpkin, joining only fans. And you literally kept saying, we have to talk about this. We have to talk about pumpkin. I'm like, I, like.

I'm obsessed with the whole honey boo-boo. I still watch the Mama June show. Like, because you remember- I never watched it. I always, I honestly, I'm not into like people like that on TV. You don't like the white trash shows. I don't. I love them.

Okay. I think it's, I like it better than that. That's why there's something for everybody. And I think she, you know, had to be on TV all those years. She probably wasn't in charge of her paycheck. If some weird guys like her and will pay for her content and she can stay at home, who cares?

She's been on television now for like, I don't know, 10, 15 years and they don't have that much money. And she said that she's making more money doing only fans now than she did from her like entire reality TV career for over a decade. She made six figures in two weeks. And just for people that don't know the backstory, she was married to this guy, Josh. She's 26 now.

They have four kids together. And then she also became the legal guardian of Honey Boo Boo. Because I remember Mama June was on drugs? Because Mama June got a crack problem. I mean, the fact that you're like talking about this as if, I mean, this is, I just can't get into it. I just cannot get into this. And you like just kept pushing it.

I'm like, we're putting it towards the end of the show. Because then you're also like, you have to watch double lives. Did you watch it? You know what? One of the reasons I stopped watching TLC is I can't, I don't know where to watch it on my streaming service. Oh, so you didn't watch it? And I feel like you're mad, like a teacher. So I went on TikTok and I said, give me some clips of it.

So I saw clips of it. Again, not, not a, I mean, they're so far. from the attractiveness of Mormon wives. Yes. Like when you're a Mormon wife and you've just eaten apples and like, you know, like those girls are so like pretty to watch. They are. Women, no offense.

They're fine. They're fine. They're older. But like it's weird that they're like doing the same like like like dances. They have. Okay. So this, this show just for people that don't know. It's like a team over team.

What do they call team you? It's the team. Team you version of Mormon wives. So it copies the title. This is Double Lives of Suburban Wives. They have their own mom talk called Milth House. Okay. Milthouse.

Yes. They do only fans. All right. And they're all Christian. So there's a lot of like Christian stuff. And it's in St. Louis. Yeah, but it's in like a smaller. Isn't there a scripted show with Justin Bateman about people who live in St.

Louis who are swingers? Well, one of them's a swinger, I think, because her name's Erica Swings. Oh. That's her TikTok name. Yeah, that's her only fan's name. I mean, I started to, so when I was on to, I started to see some of them and they're like coming to L.A. And, you know, they're so excited and they're so, you know, not your typical looking influencer type of people. So there's something kind of fun that I'm like, they have like nothing to lose and they're so excited just to be famous.

I mean, they're like having sex with their husband or whatever. whatever, while their kids are at school. And they're like, yeah, we'll do a TLC show on top of it. Like, the whole thing is like, and they're like, well, we're doing that so that people, we can get rid of this stigma. And they know that mommy likes to do it. And certain things go in her and they still come out. And they need to understand that.

Like, literally one of them said that. And I was just like, I just don't think I'm going to be watching this show. I'm sorry, Jacques, I'm sorry. Can I just give you a little brief on one of them? One of them her dad is a Christian pastor at the church. And she, she's been doing only vans, but she wears a wig and glasses. Right. So people in the community don't recognize her.

But she's got cameras following her. Like, it's so stupid. Like, how dumb do you think we are? But the dad thinks she's just doing a show about moms in Missouri. Until this week. And then they pray over it. And then she's in. in the confessional saying to the producers,

she's just like, you know, I don't know how I'm going to tell my dad he's going to be devastated that I'm on Onlyfans. I don't, yeah, we'll see. We'll see. I mean, we know they make $2 off of this thing. Well, the main girl. The main girl that put it together, I looked her up.

She barely had any followers. Like, I don't think she's big. A lot of them don't have many followers. No, but she makes out like, well, I have this double life of I'm on Onlyfans. And I'm like, I think she just, because for people that don't know, to make money on only fans, you already have to have like a big Instagram or a TikTok or whatever to get the subscribers over.

She didn't have any of that. So I think she's literally just some random woman in Missouri that open only fans and went to TLC and said, hey, I want to do a show about moms doing only fans. And then they just copied Mormon wives and here we are. I think you picked the hottest couple, by the way. Yeah, you did. I couldn't put any of the other ones. I was like, I got to pick like the cutest girl for the screen because,

um. Well, they do it together. Oh, one other thing I want to add when you watch the show, it's all of their husbands that get them to do only fans originally. They're all just normal moms and the husbands are the ones that like, hey, you should post an ass pick. So this one girl at TikTok and she goes, so, um, I live in St. Louis and two of my teachers are on only fans,

which are now they are. on this show. But they're few days. So these two girls were, two women were teachers, and they decided screw teaching, let's do this. And the husband lost the job. And so it's like, all the husbands are like, what do we care? Yeah. But I always just think there's the level of the only fans.

Like there is, you know, wearing sexy stuff and maybe showing like your nipples. And then there's like. Doing it all. Doing it all. And so it's like, I'm always like, well, can we just have like a level of it? Like, I'm a level two only fans person, but she's 114. Well, like, I need to know. Like, are you having sex with other men in your bedroom when your kids are in school?

These two are. They're both on OnlyFans. So they do it together. But, you know, and Pumpkin does it with her boyfriend. Pumpkin's a level 10. She said on a podcast, she said she wanted to send bodily fluids in the mail, but OnlyFans doesn't let you. So she can't.

It's against the guidelines. I mean, sometimes people are like, are we currently, like, in hell? Is it possibly? Well, you know. So back in the 80s. You didn't have our only fans. No, you had to go and, like, be picked up by a pimp who then made you do porn in a hot house in the valley with no air conditioning. Yes.

So in my day. And then you'd end up dead at 25. Yeah, definitely. You'd end up dead. You'd have it. And you hated it. You were not a happy hooker. You didn't want to be there and you had to do it anyway.

And then if you made it through that, you too then had to become a realtor. Everyone has to become a realtor podcast or only fans are all three. All three. We got invited to an adult party in the Hollywood Hills and I'm trying to convince you to go to. It's a big, it's a big lavish mansion with porn stars in the hills. and we invited Brandy and Julie and Janet from the Valley. Then you sent me this thing though and I have to like fill out a registration form. Have you not registered yet?

Can't I just be like a plus? Well, they have to approve you. It's a very exclusive porn party. I just remember back in the day I was like in Brentwood and this guy is like, do you want to go to the Avian Awards or whatever? And I was like, again, like very curious. And I'm like, yeah, I think I would. I think I'd like to see what this is. about. And so I ended up going to some of those things. Oh. Yeah. So you've been before. Well, I just remember I wore like a normal outfit. Like I wasn't being true to say I had like a little black

dress on but it wasn't like super skimpy. And I wasn't famous at all. I was like just starting out like trying to whatever, do you stand up or something. And I saw like the ugly fans, you know, with like the big, you know, their big cameras all excited me. And I remember this one guy goes, can I take a picture of you? And I was like, Yeah. I remember I was just like, oh my God, I can't believe that they like think that I'm like one of the porn stars. And I was like totally posing for these photos. Like absolutely. Like I loved. I always wanted to be famous no matter if it was porn or when I was on studs. Well, you know, you're complaining about having to fill out an RSVP.

Whereas when you used to go to the Playboy Mansion, didn't you have to have recent Polaroids? And then if your friend wasn't hot enough, she would get turned away. And now you're upset of feeling out at one minute. Once I got into the first one, then they invited me the next one, which was fine. And that the next one, they would take a photo to make sure that you're still hot to be invited to the next one. But if I wanted to bring someone, I had to mail in a photo of them. And yeah. So you're right.

It was a, yeah. It was that they just want to make sure that you still were like the love to the hot or whatever. Yeah. Well, I do think that it's a little more equitable now. like the industry. You know, like I think there's all different. I mean, pumpkins make you millions. No, I think it's great that it's not a certain type and then it's not just, you know,

one person make, like those porn stars back in the day, once, they were like reality stars. Once you get paid that once amount, that's it. Yeah. We can make this video eight billion times and people can buy it and we're going to get the money and you're not going to get a dollar. Yeah. And then some of those old porn stars started to then do their own movies, start their own production

come all that. Oh, that was the move. And then, yeah, with only fans, what's, what's so good is that it really is, you know, but then it's like, well, is there an element of, like, your husband forcing you to do it? Would if she had the choice of her husband making six figures or, you know, a few hundred thousand a year at his job as like a commercial real estate broker and she didn't have to drop the kids off from school and then be like, hey guys. Like, don't you think that she would have rather had that? Totally. No one's saying like they love the work. But the economy is a mess.

I know. I get it. It's one of those things where you're like, look, I would rather not be, you know, sitting on a cucumber on only fans for a bunch of, you know, weirdos from anywhere. But if this is going to make me, you know, half a million dollars a year versus, you know, whatever else, being a realtor and not knowing if I'm going to get a sale. It's just like those kind of things where it's like, you know, as a mother, whatever, you know. how like a mom will be like, you little shit. You know, like I've done everything for you.

I had to work double shifts as a nurse and this and that. Like, is there going to be a moment? Like, you little shit. You think I wanted to be on only fans talking to weird guys. You think I enjoyed the fact that I made you write some of them back for me? No. But your dad didn't have a job. and I needed to pay for soccer.

Like, what is it? I mean, whatever you can do to get ahead. But I do feel like kids today are just like, what's the big deal? Because it's like, whose mom isn't on only fans? But it's also like, whose mom's not on me? You're on Patreon. Like, we're all doing something. We've got our Facebook monetized, you know?

It's just like, we're all just selling ourselves to get ahead. I once told this guy because he just asked me what I did and, you know, who's just like kind of, this is like a rich older guy like and I go you know when you hear about like only fans people and everything and you're like I I do that well except it's just me talking so I'm like there pretty much yeah and then he was like oh wow well I'm impressed that all you ever hear about it pumpkin making you know how this much money and I'm like yeah but there's still other people that do make money in this thing that don't have to have sex on camera right or show it a nip or whatever, but also if you are, like, who cares?

You're such a delight. What's going on? Where can people find more of you in their life besides walking the streets? And then walking up to you and asking for a photo, which you will always comply to. Of course. Follow me on Instagram at Unpopular JP. I have a Patreon. I do like an hour, 90-minute podcast every week.

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