Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Dr. Drew on Hollywood Breakups, Fake Kidnappings and Prison Lovers

Episode Date: August 17, 2023

Dr. Drew Pinsky joins the show! First, we get into some juicy Hollywood breakups. Are open marriages to blame for the splits? We cover why parenting means worrying every day of your life. The most recent fake kidnapping is a bizarre one. Is Casey Anthony as evil as they made her out to be? Then to wrap it up, Dr. Drew digs into the psychology of women who write men in prison. Enjoy! Vote For Juicy Scoop: realitytelevisionawards.com/vote Get extra juice on Patreon: patreon.com/juicyscoop Subscribe on Youtube: youtube.com/@JuicyScoop Follow me on Instagram: instagram.com/heathermcdonald Follow me on TikTok: tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Follow Dr. Drew on Instagram: instagram.com/drdrewpinsky Watch Dr. Drew’s Shows: drdrew.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Woo, woo, and a McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. I have a great interview with my friend, Dr. Drew, that you're gonna listen to in a minute. I want to remind anybody that's in the Hampton area where I have been all week, that I am doing a super juicy and fun live Juicy scoop

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And now for Dr. Drew, enjoy the show. Hope you're having a wonderful week. I'm having the time of my life. Frawlicking and the Hamptons in Gazi White dresses and cream colored hats. And, oh, I mean, it's like I'm in a Nazi Myers movie. It's none of it is real and it's been really fun. And as a Valley girl, I've never experienced anything like it.

And I hope you guys are following me at Heather McDonald for all the fun that I'm experiencing. It's just like ridiculous. Everything feels fake. Love you guys. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I have returned guest. Everyone's favorite doctor and dad. Dr. Drew Pinsky. How are you? I am good Heather. This is how we spend time together now. We either either we either get on each other's podcast or we show up in Mexico together. We know I know. Well, I know and I invited myself to your house for a couple of minutes.

Yeah, yeah, it's right. I forgot about that. I was disappointed we didn't do that. Well, I just, I felt like, you know, I just felt like I invited myself. And then Susan bought the noodles for me to float on and the burgers. And then I was like, wouldn't she rather just not have anybody?

And I think she was kind of happy with that. She may have been. I was, yeah. And so you were not. No, what did you guys come over? I've been seeing you forever, but I thought, no, I'm gonna see you next week. So it's okay.

It's okay. So we have a lot of things to discuss. As always. You've got a lot of questions from. Everything good with you? Everything good with you? I gotta tell you, I run a juicy scoopers everywhere. Like, they are the best.

And I'm always sort of stunned by it being an opener for so many people. It's like people that I don't expect it from. You know, it's not the podcast world necessarily. They're all of a sudden like, love you on juicy scoop. I love, I'm a juicy scooper. That's how they identify themselves.

That is awesome. It is awesome. And it's a lot of very intelligent women, I would say. That's what the general's great. Well, I get very, we actually did a survey for my podcast company. And it was great to see that it is a educated smart, you know, a group of guys and girls,

but it is predominantly women. The ones that stop me. The not me like mid 30s up Yep, it's you 30 or I know I know I get younger people too. It's whatever, but it's it's it's just flattering that That they always approach people that have been guests on my show and become regulars and that's just the nicest thing It is nice and and again, they're substantial people right? It's not just yeah, which is nice. And again, they're substantial people. It's not just, you know, which is nice. But it doesn't happen with other podcasts so much anymore. It used to happen, right? I think it used to. I don't know. I'm happy to hear that. I feel like we talked about this a little on the phone with the strike and everything. Unfortunately, you know, there's going to be

people will have time when they're hands. And I said, I think if this was a couple years ago Maybe people would be throwing those deals at them like they did for COVID. Yes, but I do feel like now people are realizing that this is a real skill podcasting. Oh, yeah, it takes a certain kind of talent to keep it going for years on end and that isn't everybody that's just famous No, just being famous and just being a good actor, a good sitcom star does not make you someone that can create content several times a week for years on end. It just isn't.

100% true. Okay, how many famous friends you can interview either? I think people are over that a little. Yeah, that's true. I didn't thought about that, but I think that's true also. But this is more about community and sharing and stuff like that and hanging out.

It's like an enjoyable thing. Other podcasts, I mean, occasionally stuff comes up when I'm on other podcasts, but the juicy scoopers identify themselves as juicy scoopers. That's like who I am, apart of this community, which is very cool to see. That is great. And by the way, as I'm thinking about it, because it reminds me to call you and ask to come see you here and get on the bike.

But this last time, I write in a row, like three people stop me. And I started getting jealous of Sarah and Chris. And Chris, I'm like, I think it's gonna all the time. I need to go in there. So you can come more often. I just thought you're so busy and live far away. But isn't that funny? I literally felt jealousy.

That's awesome. I love that. So let's first talk about jealousy and everything else. That's your thing. About some Hollywood breakups. There's been a lot, and there's been a lot of discussion about open marriages, what causes these breakups throughout. You and I have both been married very long.

Yeah. Our anniversary is tomorrow. For how many years? 32. And, you know, and every marriage is different and everybody has their things that are easy and their things that are hard. Yes. But I started thinking, you know, there's always stuff, right?

You've got to kind of work it through. And the marriages go through evolutions, just tougher times than others. But I was thinking about the people that I was watching some interview on TV or something and somebody's like, oh, marriage is hard, marriage is hard. And I thought, I mean, it's not really compared to other hard things.

You know what I mean? It shouldn't be that hard. I mean, raising a family is hard, creating a life is hard, it's work. But the marriage sort of, if it's working, I mean, it a family is hard, creating a life is hard, it's work, but the marriage sort of, if it's working, I mean, it can be challenging sometimes but not that hard. Of course, I'm not married to Peter, right?

What? Well, I mean, I just think every situation is different, but like I was talking to you. It is, it is. I was talking to my friend, Kate Casey, who has five kids and she's got a great podcast too. And she was like, yeah, call me. I'm driving from Carpenteria,

back all the way to Newport, dropped my kid off, one of the kids off at some camp. That's the kid thing. So I call her later at five. And I was like, okay, let's talk some GC scoop. And she goes, can I just ever get a break? I go, why would happen? She goes, just as I walked in the house,

the phone rang, and the kids brain is ankle, and needs to be picked up tomorrow or something. And now the husband has to go and then they're supposed to be going to Hawaii. And I just was like, I feel you, you're sad for your kid, you're sad for the drive, you're sad for the waste of the day. But I want to also like, that's what you sign up for. That's true. That's what happens when you have kids and stuff. And when people don't have kids, those are things that they are never,

they're going to be inconvenience in a non-kid person's life. Their house could flood, their mom could get sick, all of that. But those little unexpected things that like throw you for a loop, That is what it is. And you just gotta be like this is one day in the many days ahead. It's one of the most important job by cherishing and one of the most important jobs that humans can do is they

capable bring the next generation in. But that's the hard part. It's not the, and the marriage gets stressed by that. Yeah. And that's hard, but it's really the child-oriented, like I said, building a family, building a life, that's hard. And people have abandoned that, I think. They're just like, yeah, whatever.

There's so, yeah, there's this whole, yeah, a lot of people are like, I'm childless and proud, and I don't want to be, and you can do whatever you, you know. You're good for them, but it's like. That's fine, I mean, that's fine whatever you want to do. And if you choose it too, I mean, the truth is, somebody, you know, asked me, you know, what I'm thinking about having kids

and you know, what should I do, whatever. I'm like, well, the benefit of not having them is that you will never worry for the rest of your life, like you do, the moment you find out your pregnant do, the moment you find out your pregnant, from the moment you find out your pregnant, until the moment you're dead, and hopefully you're dead. Hopefully you outlive your kids,

but providing you outlive your kids, from the moment you die, you're going to be worrying about these other people. And if you, that, and but also gloring in their struggles and successes, but the worry is the worry isn't that it never stops never stops I and even when they get married are they having marital issues are they having fun? Did they job? How is it worse for the husband and the wife the dad than the mom? 100% is worse for the mom in my opinion. Yeah, why I think I think there is something in that and I recently saw that and you can tell me if this is true or not

If this is a textbook the biological thing of how you have the cells of their the brain But you in your brain as the mother yeah, based on I saw it for boys, but I assume it's for girls too You carry your child and there's cells of that child that remain in your brain forever Which is goes into the mother instinct and all of that that can't be, it's different than the husband or the dad. It is, and whatever the mechanism is, it makes perfect sense from evolutionary standpoint, right? Because the men were out fighting the wars,

killing the mammoths, the mom was there with the child protecting the child, feeding the child, that had to be a motivational priority. And the men, you know, oftentimes didn't necessarily share that priority. And so they drifted off and we had a lot of that these days. And so, yeah, but men have their own, you know, it's interesting.

I remember talking to a woman about this years ago, and she was like, oh, I have baby hunger when I'm around a baby or baby. Some sort of... My ovaries are crying, y'all. And I go, and I go, oh my God, that's such an interesting thing because men feel nothing like that. Oh, come on.

I go, no, no. We spent a lot of energy avoiding. We have no, but once we get in with someone, we are interested in being the head of a household. We're interested in building a family. We're interested in that, but we don't have this hunger for children the same way.

Right, or once they meet the child like a single mom, we might have a kid, they really do enjoy it and they really can be a wonderful stepfather and step like that. But I also think it's a different motivation. I think it also go for this when I think if a woman really wants kids and the husband doesn't, like maybe they both go in

and they're like, we wanna be childless and travel. And then the woman gets the ovaries burning and she goes, I wanna have kids. And he really, you know. That's a great image. And he really doesn't. Yeah. It seems like then that can be a deal break.

Oh, for sure. Because sometimes guys do want nothing to do. Right. But it seems like it's a lot less often that if the man suddenly changes his mind, I really want kids and the woman can't provide the kids. Yeah. That he's like, well, then I got to find a woman to have a kid with because I want to be a dad that bad. Yeah, I think oftentimes guys are like

I'll take it or leave it like you like whatever you know what's interesting Really interesting we had a moment like that 30 years ago Susan and I 32 years ago. Yeah Before we got married one of the tenders thing she ever said to me. I'll never forget it I'm think I'm gonna cry. Oh my god, do cry. It's weird, I haven't thought about it in years. We were hadn't been married yet.

She knew she had some sort of fertility something. And she insisted on getting a workup before marriage. And she had her history a workup before marriage. And she had her history of subpingogram, which is this miserable procedure, really pushed die under a uterus and look at the tubes and stuff. And somewhere that day, she said to me,

you know, I wouldn't do that too. I didn't want you to get heft of you burdened with that if something was wrong with my ability to... She said something very specific. I can't remember the words, but it went through me like a knife. No, no, no, I'm in this for you. That would be something we would handle together. But the fact that she didn't want to burden me with her stuff that way was so deeply meaningful

to me. It was a very, and she didn't toss it off. I mean, she knew she was saying something substantial, but I was like, no, look, you don't know fertility science the way I do at the time. She had an issue with her too, I said, we will get this, don't worry, we will get this done together.

It's just so, it's selfless. It was such a selfless thing. And for people that don't know, you did go through fertility, and you did Find out she's pregnant with triplets. All right. We went through it twice actually We went the first time pregnant boom right away one But in over sort of a in the tube kind of pregnancy is that so that had to be terminated. Yeah Weighted six months or something again boom triplets

crazy and um And now they're 30 yeah and doing great And we're still worrying about them. Yeah, exactly. Crazy. But you know what, you said that, and it reminded me of my mom said that to me. So she like, she didn't get her period until she was like 21 or something. This is a long time ago, this is 1960, whatever.

And so there was some doctor said, I don't know if you'll be able to have kids. This is weird and whatever. And I remember she did tell, told me that she told my dad that. And he goes, that's fine. We'll just show a dot. We'll dot dot. You see, I don't think he didn't have an ego about like,

well, I got to make sure it's my own sperm or whatever. He was just like, well, I'm in love with you. Right. And if we want to have a family, we'll figure out a way to have a family. Yeah. And it's such an interesting instinct that a woman would have to be so selfless. Well, it's like a be so selfless and we are a more selfless I mean this is the species I'm sorry I agree no you are I think we are the

more selfless you are in this was a clear example of that you know and but then again we're sort of the caretaker we're like no no no we got you I got you yeah yeah we'll get through this you know yeah well let's talk about some marriages that aren't as strong as I want to get to this business about open marriages. That's where I was heading. Okay. You want to put an example? I was going to put up a fate.

Well, okay, let's talk about open marriages. But I think we talked about. Let me put up a face of an open marriage. This is one that we believe is an open marriage, which is will and jada, but continue. Well, you know, Jason Ellis. Yes. Right.

So he's a big explain who he is to the people at general Jason is a skateboarder sort of MMA fighter sort of comedian, podcaster, radio host, interesting Australian dude at a dear friend of mine. Okay. He got involved with Katie. They had this sort of insanely, I used to worry me, sort of sexually addicted kind of relationship. But just with each other. No, we'd go all over the place. And when they got married, they got married, they kept it open completely, like wildly. Did they have any kids together?

No, he has two kids, different marriage. Okay. And it seemed to make them both happy for years. So when this started happening, I watch very carefully because my experience has been when you open the marriage, the clock is ticking. I mean, unless, I mean, this seems to be a business relationship or whatever, maybe they have a ways of making it work. I mean, but, but really the, whatever

the relationship is is not going to last the openness. It just doesn't. I, you know, I've seen it a thousand times. And like I said repeatedly, there are armies of people trying to get people to be able to have a relationship between two people and keep it healthy. When you bring in other people, even if it's just sexual, feelings emerge you don't anticipate. Just you just can't predict. People are very fluid emotionally when you get into these kinds of intimate situations. You can get- I mean, I think what marriage is is you can't always have your cake and eat it too. Correct. If the love of the passion is not what you hoped it would be, either you try to make it work

or you get out, but you can expect to have the marriage and everything and have it be great and fine and that you can just like be with somebody else that either that person isn't going to get weird. No two people are completely on the same page. Or the person you're having the affair is with. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm talking about. The person having the affair that goes in

and is like, I'm just down to having, so I started to watch the Hulu doc, Ashley Madison. Which by the way, some of these docs are like, I can't. Like I'm just like, they're so poorly, sorry. Some of them I don't think are greatly great. And they're always so biased and whatever Their point of view this is so it started out last night Why started watch it and I remember Ashley Madison for Pillette don't know

It started like 2002 and it was just when you'd have to go on a website there weren't apps or anything like that Yeah, and it was life is short. Have an affair, you'd put in your zip code and your age and say, I'm a woman, I live in, you know, 91364 and I did it once when I was a Chelsea lady, just curious, didn't put a photo, didn't put my name, just put my age and my zip and I got guys ready to meet me.

Like just literally, I couldn't believe it. And then there are always guys ready to go. And then after that, there was a hack and all these people came out. There was actually a real house as of your cousin husband was on the list. And I interviewed her and she's to this day, they're still together and happy.

And she said, he and his friends did it as a joke. Whatever you want to believe, if you're still together, you get first love. Well, if you're later, okay, it's fine. Yeah, they're not going down that path. They can't do that. Yeah, if maybe he did or whatever, or you got through it and you're like,

fresh slate, like, I don't want to get to force, you know, I mean, there's, think of all, like, the swingers and everything from the 60s and those people died together at the retirement hotel. So, like, I don't know that it can't happen, but. No, they can figure it out, they just can't keep going. Right. So, back to, just that it can't happen, but. No, they can figure it out, they just can't keep going. Right. So back to just finishing my story.

Okay, yeah. Katie and, I watched Katie and Jason for years going, well, I guess I found the couple for whom it works. Okay. Because they broke up. Oh, so it didn't work. It did not work. How long did they go for?

Must've been seven years or so, eight years. And broke up, it always breaks up horribly, very painfully. It's always bad. It's never like, oh, we just agreed up horribly, very painfully. It's always bad. It's never like, oh, we just agreed that this, you know. Yeah, yeah. And was, isn't he also an out bisexual as well? Yes, and maybe more gay than by.

And that seemed to be, I didn't get into it with Katie, but that seemed to be something that she couldn't manage. But it goes under the heading again. If you don't know what feelings are going to come out in these fluid situations, you got to declare your major and commit to that person. I mean, you know, I really believe that's right. And no judgment on anybody. It goes go be whatever with whomever. But if you want a relationship that sustains, you got to declare your major,

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i think there's like two look at all the misery on the tlc shows and stuff that of the sister wives and everything i've never seen more unhappy women than sister wives. Yes. There's always that one who started it all and seems to kind of get something out of it. The rest of them are beyond miserable. Like I've never seen such misery.

And the guy's miserable too. Oh totally. The other thing. Totally miserable. Yeah. Yeah, so with the astronauts, I just want to say. Yeah. So what they did is they had these actors,

like you see them being interviewed as an actor playing like Ralph from the website or whatever, and- Reenactments. Honestly, I was like, I wish Chris was watching this because I'd be like, no offense to Saga after, I'm part of it. But this might make people go,

are you that valuable? I mean, the acting was so bad. And I literally felt like I was in a bad acting class because it was like they're reading and they're like, I mean, I just wanted something to be fresh. I wanted to feel that again. Oh no. I, do I regret it?

I don't know. Like it was so. So it was all, no real customer. So it was only one girl in the beginning. I don't know how one woman said, I knew something was up, follow your instinct, and then 18, you know, one day my husband went to the grocery store and my house phone rang,

and this woman's like, I've been having a affair with your husband for 18 months. And she goes, the woman said to me, he told me he's gonna work it out with his wife. And I'm like, oh no, you're not. I'm through all the wife because you're with me. Because again, she changed her mind. Of course. They met through Ashumatican.

And she had befriended her on Facebook, which that's another weird thing of wanting to be friends with the Be so like the way the way the way women are You know do you support other women but also women so get obsessed with other women Be alive. It's so hard to understand Men like I want to beat up that effort, but I don't feel like men go and like stock their wife's Expo from for years on end. Impossible. The way women will.

You know what's interesting, I was watching, we're 90 day fiance fans. And the transgender male that was on there. He was, and he's fully, I mean, when I, when people take issue with transgender, I go, look at some of the people from home who are really is working. Just, it's really working for them. And look at how they did it and what they did. And it's working for them. It's working for this dude.

He had a fight with his sister. Yeah. And it both soon, I went, oh my God, that's two sisters fighting. That's not a brother in a sister. That's two sisters. It's he's still two sisters fighting. Yeah.

And somebody, I brought that up and several other people said, those words blurred out of those mouth as they were watching the interaction. The dynamic. It's a different thing. Now you could argue, I'm not making an argument about gender or anything. That just long established relationship.

Right, right. It's always been that way. Right. But I'm saying it's a different thing and it still breaks through this gender identity to you, which is kind of interesting. It's very interesting. Well, again, just even raising boys and their dynamic,

which is close to the same age for it to be. It's mysterious to women, isn't it? Shannon and I. Isn't it shocking? Yeah, the fighting and the arguments. Isn't it shocking to do? The best thing about boys, at least with my kids, is when they do get mad at each other.

It's on. It's on, but it's short. And it's over, yeah. It's short. That's right. So we know resentment to carry around. Yeah, yeah. None.

We get it out. Yeah. Then it's like, whatever you want to play this basketball game or what, like moving on, you know. But back to this, this, you know, multiplicity of partners, all this stuff. I think I brought this up last time, I was in here. Did you see that show Gunther's Millions? No.

Oh, feather. Look it up. Gunther's Millions. I don't, this isn't the internet. This is just my thing. Could just tell me what it is. Uh, it'll, it's a spoiler if I tell you too much. Okay. But it's a dog that inherits millions of millions

of dollars. And the dog has a handler and antics ensue. It's just a script and movie though. No no. It's something that happened. It was a pharmaceutical company owner that made millions of millions of dollars and did some shady stuff and got it given to this dog and turns out Gunther is a bunch of dogs and Gunther's handler is an interesting dude. Let's just say he does human experiments and then go well on behalf of Gunther.

Oh wow. Gunther's looking for ultimate happiness. It's only like a three or four parts series. It is mind blowing. I recommend it so highly. Let's get into some stars, okay? Jada and Will. Now her show, the red tabletop, that's on pause

or canceled or whatever. Is that be, oh, so. I think it's just Facebook stopped doing shows like that. So, they're not gonna paid four. They're not doing anymore right now. That might have been a sad deal right i don't know but this is a while ago this is before the strike and that's what she did with her daughter and her mother and all i was supposed

to be on it and i got cancel all of a sudden was where probably cuz you're gonna be on it your two controversial notes can well that or it made me wonder if i was gonna ask too many questions and that they don't really want to get, you mean they canceled your appearance not the show with canceled? You know my appearance. But it was a while ago, it was about a year and a half or two years ago,

and it was before COVID. And before the slap. Yes, well before that. Yeah. And I was actually looking forward to it. Before the entanglement. Which one? She had the entanglement with her stepson's best friend.

Yeah, I didn't know anything about anything. I just heard a little faint rumors that things weren't all co-pacetic. And the cancellation was, it was there was a legitimate kind of reason, but it was like, all right, we'll immediately rebook and that didn't happen. I always thought they were like the first power couple

and everyone just loved it. They everyone loved when they're on Oprah. How funny it was that she was he was tall and she was, you know, tiny and yeah. But they were the first couple to like match. Like their outfits always had to match on the red carpet. So she's wearing a green dress. He'd wear like a green suit. They would always match.

And I wonder if that's a little something like weird that like like like because he was the bigger star. He was the bigger star. And he this was his wife. And she was like, you know, some stars or some couples go, we won't walk the red carpet together. We've decided that together. Like we don't want to do that. We don't want to be known as a couple. We want to be known as individual stars. And people read into that. Oh, they're not happy.

But like, and then maybe that's maybe it isn't so great, especially when you're, I mean, JLo did that too. She redressed Ben the first time they dated. Slickback his hair, got him in a in a rolls Royce got rid of all the whatever Team he likes. What is he like the Boston teams and like got rid of those shirts and put him in like and now you know And then when she was with A. Rod they matched they'd be wearing all creams or all whatever and so it's like Now is that comes from the woman.

I would say. I would say. I would say. I would say. Unless you're married to a gay guy. Yeah. And so, but is that her rubbing her stink on him? Yeah.

Owns it. Okay. I think, I think. And then him being. And apologies for how I use language. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

I'm a little bit. I just didn't know. I'm a little bit. I just didn't know. I'm a little bit. I couple of shares the Facebook page feels a little bound to us feels a little bit in meshed as they say yeah and meshed and and it's often you would have as I think it's going on in this case sort of a compensation for

something like what's going on I mean they were really honest about it and you know about their relationship after the entanglement they did a episode on her show. Of course, yet where he came on and Chris rocked joke about it in his special. And he, yeah, she, it was humiliating for him. And they act like that. This fun report, like as if, you know, I know you ate the ice cream. This one woke up at two in the morning she's in my hog and i think they literally acted

like her having sex with this guy who was their child's family friend who kind of needed the guidance in the family i mean if anything she kind of fucking groomed him and took advantage of it and he you know it will mentally suffered because of it and he was was like, and then, and she's like, and then I had it in Changelman, and he's laughing. Like, they're kind of laughing, it would be really weird. We said acting, acting, it feels,

that's gotta be acting. And I feel like I have no idea who these two people are. Like none. And then if we'll, if I remember right after the slap, he sort of said something like that up at the podium, like we're trying to be these things, but who knows who. And I was like, yeah, I've no idea who the hell you are. I have no idea and and I think that The thing is is that they they we didn't we don't have to know who the

Well the question is is he know the question is just he know who he is. That's really the question But also he wants to hide who he is good on him. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure he has figured out who he is I don't know I yeah I don't know I'm sure he is figured out we as I don't know I may I don't know there are still great actors that we don't know every little thing about their life especially from that era and before yeah I mean that was routine I mean Kira Seiguick and what's the thing Kevin Bacon Kevin Bacon yeah been married forever and everything they're like one of the only also, they didn't go on a million talk shows as a couple.

They didn't do any kind of like TV shows or talk shows or anything to constantly talk about the relationships. I don't even, I know they have kids, I don't know who their kids are, I don't want to know what they look like. You know, and they went on and they like, both have great careers

are not the biggest stars in the world, but like certainly. And they even lost all that money with made off. Oh, really? And they got through that, you know, whoever was the first person to meet him at the Hamptons, you'd be like, Motherfucker, why did you want our body? Like, but they got through that. And I'm just kind of like, yeah, I think then you put yourself out there as a

celebrity, whether you're an actor or an influencer or whatever. And you put your whole, and the audience does feel like they should know what's going on with you and know you. And then in the end, yeah, you don't really even know yourself. Well, that's when it gets problematic. And that's his problem, not ours. But I think we live in a time when people put it all out there and people expect to know who you are expect to see everything about yeah, but it is kind of yeah I'm just thinking out in my little brain here that it is interesting You know you and I put everything out there, right? Yeah, and yet the relationship with our

world and the media and audiences Relationship to both Peter and Susan is kind of the same. They always want to stay in the background. They kind of kind of may go out, but they have no skin in the game, but they're not trying to be the star. Not to be the star, but also to tell you everything about their life. I'm actually trying to bring her in more on stuff because she sells things so well,

I don't like to sell anything. And when I have ads on that, like, will you please, please, I'm convinced when you say it, please say it. But you won't even do that. So. Well, we don't know what will happen with that. I don't know.

I think that's, you know what I'm talking about. So Fiya and Joe. And this one made me sad. So I knew Joe back in the day. And I don't know her at all. Yeah. Did I hear there was openness there to or something or something i don't know that i know of that i mean i talked about on a previous show and um... that he is sober um... long time

long time for a long time so uh... the article i read made it sound like that might have been an issue i think she was always really happens you know well it was that she was still having fun and maybe he resented her for it. They're like, no, they got together when he was sober and she's always been supportive. So I don't really know about that. I would say two things.

Yes. One is it sort of smacks of relationships that break apart when the careers take them away from each other too much. Yes. I mean, there is a limit to that. The relationships have trouble surviving that. And especially when your job is to go be intimately involved

with other people, whether it's acting, and acting, that makes it really hard. Because people are in a weird bubble when they're in a production. And your husband is sort of at home, you know, or whatever. And both of them, and we have both of them are doing that. I think that to me, I always worry about that when I see that. Well, I am just like speculating, but I talked about, I got some insight scoop.

And one of the things I didn't share on the other show was with someone that was out of the way to the beach. No, someone who worked out a movie with him, you know, with Joe. Yes, he asked my friend um Something about mowing the lawn does your husband mow the lawn or something It's an ad for man'scape no no no it was actually mowing the lawn and no this is what he said Sofia's mad and this is just hearsay and this is you know, but it's coming from good sort

Sofio was so mad that I mowed the lawn And my friend goes why did you do a bad job? and this is, you know, but it's coming from a good sort. So, feel was so mad that I mowed the lawn. And my friend goes, why did you do a bad job? And he goes, no, she just comes from a really wealthy background in Columbia. Which is true. And so to have somebody to mow your own lawn is like embarrassing and weird and why would you do that?

I wonder. He comes from really like normal humble. He was a roadie for I think gold finger or something. That's when I knew him. He just finished, I wasn't a Goldfinger or some crazy old, it's a pump band for the 90s or 2000. And all of a sudden, this thing emerged in his life. It was not anticipated. He was the nicest guy ever. I mean, it's a really humble, really good guy. I wondered about her upbringing and her aristocratic origins. I think. And now I think it was what it go ahead. I'm just thinking it may affect her and her

relationships more than we all know, looking from the outside. I used to know Julie Bowen pretty well from the mom from the family. And she to know Julie Bowen pretty well from the mom from the mother family. And she seems really to love Sofia Vergara. Like they're close for us. And to me that says something. Like, okay, well whatever this is I think I'm saying is probably not that big a deal, but maybe an average it does make a big deal. Well, I mean, I just think it's probably adds to one of those things that were grab your background. I mean, you know, that's why that dating e-harmony was that old man came up with that thing

that you really should be a lot of like. Yes, opposites attract, but maybe likeness is what could go the long road like. Well, this is something that goes back and forth in the literature, right? In the psychological literature. There's no doubt that we are attracted to similar and that we do better with similar and that most relationships start because of proximity.

It's the magically, the guy that was in the dorm down there. Yeah. Magically, that's your soul mate. Right, right. Yeah, interesting. Yeah. But that there are qualities I would posit, personality qualities, that they're different than sort of social, cultural kind of qualities, right?

And those kind of have to fit. And if you go more in one direction, like I go more OCD, anxiety, intense, people like that to be intimately involved with for me can't. You can't do it. You know what I mean? People go like we grew apart or we're just two different people. I don't know what that means. But I mean, of course you're two different people. Of course you're two different people, but also like, yeah, maybe you really are so different that you don't really like the same things. Like you really don't have things in common. You don't have things to talk about.

You don't morally, you're not the same, politically, you're not the same, religion, you're not the, like I think you can have some things where you're not the same, but I do think sometimes people get married and then they, you know, as time goes on, they're like, oh my God, like there's absolutely nothing that I like about you, that you like about me that we can't even do together.

It's so funny. I would declared my love to my wife this morning because I'm leaving this afternoon and I have to go to Boston and I'm going to miss our anniversary tomorrow. And I was wanting to say to her, I sort of put it in a note was that I can't express, I feel getting emotional today. It's very weird. What do you mean you're gonna be? How much, I didn't even know what this to come across from. Maybe I should process this with another woman. That's you. Which was how much I like her.

Like I like you so much. And I didn't want her to, don't you love me? I'll win again. I thought you loved me. It's like, you say, do, it goes without saying. But to really like, not everything, but even the things I don't like, I kinda like. And that started for us,

we both came to a lot of our youth in Orange County on the beaches, and we still like that. We like the same things the same way. Yeah. And so that's kind of an important can be an important glue Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree. I mean, I remember Not that long ago maybe like 10 years ago or something Peter sister said oh, I just remember when he was dating you. He said

This girl is just so much fun. I think I'm going to marry her. And I never heard that. That you were fun? Yeah, that he had said that to people. And like, I know I'm fun, and I would hope that he, but he does not. Like he'll put something in a nice card, and he like shows me in other ways.

Like, you know, like the other day, he was like, what about this for your makeup thing for travel? Like it came up and it's like, make up thing. I didn't know you had a kid. He knows, he knows I need a magnifying light. And this came with a, where you put your makeup and then the, for travel.

So no matter what the bad lighting is, the hotel, you know, and it was like those thick kind of things. But that's something that was kind of thoughtful. Like, the hotel. You know, and it was like those thick kind of things. But that's something that- Those are kind of like thoughtful. Yeah, that's gonna seem to see too. Like, even though I'm not getting like told, I love you so much of the greatest thing every single day. It's like it's other ways.

It's very hard for you. Plus, if you don't come from that kind of family system, it's really hard to do. It's just hard to do. But back to the fun part, I had need for fun too because I came from a family that was no fun. No fun. And so I kind of had a craving for that. Yeah. So I'm one of Peter came from something like no, no, no, no, we both like to have fun. No, no, from his family of origin, whether he also, my family of origin was no fun. No, they were fun and he was

fun. And I just think he was like, I just knew that like I just thought that was fun. And I just think, you know, like, I just knew that, like, I just thought that was interesting. But getting back to them, the other thing that it sounds funny, and I think it's funny, but literally there was some, I talked about it, the same source says that they have this little dog named Bubbles, that she bought the Chihuahua for herself, that Chihuahua hates her. And he's got the dog with them all the time he's like Lisa van her problem with jingy okay but all the Lisa all the dogs love can and Lisa just the same you've

witnessed it is not one hate no this little chihuahua would bite her and every choice or notorious for that though apparently chihuahua's choose their person and that's their person. And that's their person. I mean, that's the part of the Chist of all those. And they're nippy, and they're. So I kind of jokingly would also say, could that have something to do with it? You know, that like, you get this dog

and it's literally biting your wife. Maybe you find it another home. I don't know, but of course, now you love this dog, whatever. But this person wrote under my YouTube and said, she has talked about this dog and joked about it on interviews, but I could tell it was like a real part, part point of contention.

Like at a certain point, like should a husband or a wife go, you know what, this dog isn't working for our family as much as I love it. It's like it's just not, it's, I mean, I would hope so. You would think so, but, but there's a part of this, this is the male female thing again.

Women, a man would never do this, but a woman would harbor resentments if this dog were this way and somehow blame the husband for it. Forget going to the dog, but it somehow would be his fault. Right, or vice versa. But like the dog that doesn't like you, it somehow would be his fault. Right, or vice versa.

Like the dog that doesn't like you, it's like the one if he's like, well, I don't know why they don't like, maybe they know that you're like evil inside. Who knows what they said? You know, like it's just like, I just, no, it's so funny. It's amazing. Okay, so let's move on. Do you know this couple, I'm not going to talk about them

because you don't know about them. Kim and Cory, they're just a nightmare. So just let me move on. No, not meurs are not good. I just like that. Kyle and Mauricio. Kyle used to be on real half size of Beverly Hills. Oh, she's not on anymore.

I thought she's the one. No, she is. She is, don't. And her husband, there's always over a year, is that correct? She's been over a year. There was always rumors because he's such like a hot sexy thing

that there are always rumors about him cheating. Okay. But there really wasn't any real evidence, but one tablet story that came out about a trans, it was so long ago, I think they called it, they called the person a transvestite. That's how long ago this article was. And some other person in which he would frequent

and have like this crazy sex thing with. Who knows who these people were? They didn't have a photo with him like in the bed, nothing. There was never anything, but there's just rumors. And then there's a rumor that she might be with this other girl. She says they're just good friends,

but they have matching tattoos and all this other stuff. Interesting. And then Andy Cohen just said the other day, like he's available, like someone's like, oh, he's the hottest one. And Andy goes, he's available. I think Andy was just caught off guard. They, they, there was a thing that said they were separated that it said, no, we're not getting divorced, but we've had the hardest year of our life. But that. But there's also like the show is about to start airing and this is going to get us to watch when we're a little bit maybe tired of it. We're like be that like fitter. Yeah, but let me kind of let's let me sort of add the score up and read between lines a little bit which is first year sobriety no major changes. You're not supposed to make any major changes and

you certainly aren't supposed to get involved in a new intimate relationship, right? So if she is actually sober, she is not involved with another woman. Now, now she kind of took it from, I don't, she's talked about sobriety, and it was one of those things like, I just woke up one day and was like, it's not really working for me anymore.

What is it? What? Drinking. It wasn't like she had a deal. Oh, so she's not deep in sobriety. No, I think it was one of those things. She's been talking about it. I said, every time I see her name, I'm sober years. Yes, but I think it kind of maybe began more,

whichever one has her own journey. It wasn't one of those rock bottom, got a DUI. It had to go to rehab. It was just like she kind of woke up one day and was like, I think I'm done for this for a while. And then one month turned into two months to seven months to eat. And now it's been a year and she even says, I'm not saying I'm gonna be sober forever. Don't hold me to it.

But this is what I've really enjoyed about it, my health and everything. Her sister had a problem, right? Her sister's had lots of problems with drug and alcohol. So I'm wondering if seeing all that maybe got into under her skin a little bit of kindness. And so she like look I'm a hypocrite if I'm if I'm getting momentum with this stuff too And I keep pointing at my sister. I got to take care of this. So I I suspect something like that happened I mean obviously and I'm seeing a lot of things that are a big bummer in my tick-tock feed Which is how bad alcohol is for you especially as you age? Yeah, and your brain and everything, and you're, you know,

and I'm like, wow, that's a big bummer, but I mean, it's not good. It's the only commonly used drug that is a carcinogen to almost every tissue in your body. It is one of the only ones that causes measurable brain damage over time, like you can, like, can plot it out in a very specific way. Other ones do, but not as reliably as alcohol

if you keep with it. And it makes you older or makes you age. It sets the oxidative state of the body off. And it's not good for brain. But listen, this notion of trying to live forever and be a 30 year old at 17 stuff is flawed. Yeah. It is not living.

You have to get a little philosophical sometimes. I feel pretty good at 65. Yeah. I feel lucky, but I want to live. I'm going to go on to somewhere soon where I might be drinking some wine. Yeah, yeah. Enjoy. Yeah, I want to live my life. I want to have the dessert'm going to go on to somewhere soon where I might be drinking some wine. Yeah, yeah, enjoy, yeah. I want to live my life. And you know,

I want to have the dessert and everyone have the glass of wine. I mean, I'll go through periods where I'm healthier than others. Yeah, right. But to not live your life, to not enjoy your life is a major mistake, my opinion. And I'm not saying, you know, you should use that as a way of justifying your cocaine use.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying there's a balance. There's a balance. Well, we'll see what happens with them. This girl, Carly Russell. Yeah, I want to see that. Now, we're recording this in advance. Yes.

But as of now, this girl is the new Sherry Papini. And you remember Sherry Papini? She went missing. She was jogging. Oh, yeah. And she stayed with her boyfriend. She faked a kid now. I mean, the point is, and also run away. Bride. Let's just talk about fake kidnap. It's not even fake kidnappings. It's your own disappearance. What is it? What makes someone do that? What makes the press reported is my question. What do you mean? They want missing. Yes, missing person.

Don't assume you know what happened. They bring up these, remember the one to me that was the paradigm was the runaway bride. There was so clearly manic psychosis. So clearly, remember she was on the phone and everything she was talking. She ran away like they before her wedding and disappeared. Okay, well, these two cases.

These are always serious mental illness, SMI. Okay, but wait, hold on. I just wanna say, because I understand what you're saying about something going crazy. Sherry Papini and this girl, Charlie, obviously they have a mental illness to do this, okay? Yes.

But it's showing evidence, both of them, Sherry got convicted, of that of faking or kidnapping, using police, you know, money to look for her, lying to police, all of that. What in your opinion makes someone, I've thought about it, I've joked about it, I've said, oh, this would be a funny movie, but to really go through it, to want people to worry about you, to want to kind of become famous from it, and then come back okay from it. Like, because Sherry Papini never has given that

sit down interview and said, this is why I did it. Her own husband didn't realize for like a year, four years later was finally when they cracked the case and like said, and he realized, oh my God, she was with this other guy, she never really was kidnapped. For 29 days, he and her family and her two and four year old kids thought that chances are she's probably dead.

Like, what makes someone do that? Weirdly, I didn't realize that's what I was watching. I watched a TikTok thread where she was doing the final police interview where they gave all the information that they had. And the husband sitting there and going, what the hell? Like, and they've now broken up and she has to do some time.

But like, what would make someone really plot it out and do that in your opinion? I think it reminds me of, there's sort of a zone that people that, I'm sorry to say this, that women particularly tend to get into of this secretive stuff, a friend of mine did her whole FBI fellowship in women who steal other women's babies and build these huge stories.

Sometimes cut out the baby. That's like, to me, this is sort of in that zone of needing this extraordinary attention and story and then sticking with it. The sticking with it part is the part that's astonishing, that they just will not let it go. Is it a personality disorder? Certainly, right? I mean, there's something characterological going on. I'm not sure I can specify, it fuels narcissistic borderline, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's... But it's an odd thing, and I don't know that we can

sort of put it under a diagnostic category. Like for just a small that, in my opinion, I think that was a plan to fuel his career. Sure. And use what was going on in society and everything else to create this story that would, you know, get people hyped up and he'd be a victim and all that. So him already being a famous person choosing to do it, I think is a different thing. It is.

This is really strange. It is strange. Yeah. And when I've seen them, let me turn it, I'm trying to think about this woman and you know, it seemed watching that police thing. It was just a woman who had an affair and didn't want to hide it. I mean, it just really made some horrible choices. Now, why did she make those choices?

You know, but that, but it wasn't it. She really kind of used this guy. Yeah. Yeah. And to protect her. He said they never even really had sex. That this was a whole weird, I want attention. Yeah. I really...

It reminds me of... He all goes in the same zone. And hopefully she's getting help somewhere wherever she is. Yeah. And I would love her to sit down. Oh, the awesome. I would love to sit down with me. But if you can't go with me, like somebody.

It reminds you of Jody Arias a little bit. Yes, oh, yeah. It's that same zone. And obviously she's a murderer. It's different. But it has this sociopathic kind of crazy quality about it. Well, speaking of some other famous people here, I'm gonna skip over to Kasey Anthony.

Oh, look at Kasey Anthony. Yeah. So Kasey, I mean gonna skip over to Casey Anthony. Oh, look at Casey Anthony. Yeah. So Casey, I mean, she was a screw ball, right? Right. But I don't think she was horrible and evil like they made her out to be. What do you think really happened? I think the kid climbed in the pool and drowned

or something and then the dad tried to hide it or some stupid cover up. Pull all the chloroformer that you don't think. All that weird stuff where she was looking for ways to, you know, I don't know, I don't know what that means. So you, so. She, all I kept saying at the time, and we made, we built a case on HLN

that there was something really, really wrong with her. She seemed terribly narcissistic. She seemed very terrible on by all the attention without really seemingly disturbed by her child being dead. She was one of those like real pathological liars where it's just you're lying about what you had for lunch. Yeah, like matter. Yeah, but the one thing I kept saying was if she is as psychopathic and problematic as everyone is saying we will see her again. She will not stay quiet. She'll do something else.

She didn't. She hasn't. Do you believe that she was molested by her dad and brother? No. Did she say that to us? She said, once she was imprisoned for a while is when she realized that's what happened to her and then came forward with this story.

I always thought, she, I always thought she gave the kid like too much Benadryl or something. And accidentally. Overdose to child. And then was sick enough to compartmentalize the whole situation. Yeah.

Void or parents be like, well, it happened and I loved her. So, Bella Via, whatever whatever tattoo and live on my life. And like, I didn't mean for it to happen, but like she's my angel in heaven and it's fine. It's possible. And then when it finally had to come, and so she made it look like a psycho, you know, with the tape, because it was like all the materials were from the house and everything. And then when she was really up against a wall is when they built the case of like the dad did it and the dad molested her.

And then when she recently did a story, they did a documentary about it. She said, well, the dad comes up and is like, look what happened, she fell in the pool or whatever. I'm gonna take care of her, but don't you, don't tell anybody. Don't tell anybody because you've always kept the secret every time I molested you, so keep this secret.

And I always get that card. And I always, I was joking when we were watching it, because I was like, did she think that he took and he said, all make it better? She kept saying, I thought she was alive. I thought she was getting fixed. I'm like at the Pinocchio store, like, what do you mean? Like, if your kid was that sick, you wouldn't be going to target

with your friend's credit card, and you wouldn't be getting captured, you would be like every day dad, what hospital is she at? Who is taking care of her? When are we gonna come for? That whole thing never got explained, and I think whoever was doing the doc,

did it in a way to get people to watch it, because it literally made no sense at all. Yeah, and still there's there's lots of empty pays unknowns in this. Did the did her parents split up? I don't think that part. Um, eventually he got in a weird car accident. I don't know. There was a lot of real the prayer. I think yeah, there was weirdness in the family that could have added to her weirdness. Yes, for sure. And I do think like all this happened, she's proceeded to like live an okay life, work for this detective or this lawyer that helped her.

And so yeah, maybe, I think it's good she's hasn't been a mother, I hope she devers a mother again and I don't think that's the job for her. She's not a well person for any reason. But maybe, you know, like I said, maybe she's not the inherently evil. They may hurt. Yes, I think that's right. I think maybe this happened and then you're like, how do I fix this? It's like something broke and you're like, well, if I put the glue and put it together,

well, my mom noticed that I broke the vase. Yes. And it's like, but it's a dead body, you know? Right. And but that kind of childlike image work quality, she definitely had that. Yeah. Like this kind of like she should not have been a mother. This was like a child. And she had the child young. Yeah. One of the questions was, what about Chris Watts? That was the guy who killed, killed his two daughters and his pregnant wife. And then you know this one in Denver and then put them in the,

well, okay, more about, let me just ask them more general questions. You don't know this one, because this is one of the questions. So I was like, what drives someone to do the suicide, the killing the kids and then killing themselves? There's sort of two versions of it. Yeah.

One is total psychosis, schizophrenia or drug induced or mania. Often time those people think they're saving their family from something. Like that's how they think about it in their head. Like the demons or whatever. Right, because the devils are gonna make torture them. I'm just gonna kill them to avoid the devils whenever.

And then when they kind of come to about what's going on, then they can't handle it and they kill themselves. There is the extreme, almost psychopathic narcissist. And there's lots of examples of these, almost always men, who, you know, there's a big break up, they're losing custody of everything, they're losing everything, and they sit outside the house and plot and plan. And these are cold-blooded psychopaths, essentially. And they blow up the house and plot and plan. And these are cold blooded psychopaths essentially.

And they blow up the house or whatever in the couple of times. That's the evil part. That's when people go into evil. This had more of the crazy quality to it. Well, he, yeah, this story was just so crazy. They were living way beyond their means. She was in an MLM having a multi-level marketing where she had to show on Facebook

that oh my God, I have the perfect family. I have the perfect life by these energy patches and look at your life get better. And he starts having an affair. While he's having the affair, she announces she's pregnant or right around then with their son. And you know, she comes home from a trip and he strangles her and then kills the two

kids too and hides them in his work, which was like this oil thing. And he had this girlfriend who then went in to witness protection. We don't know where that girl is because she did, you know, or the deal. Did he kill himself? Nope. We should have. Prison probably girls are probably writing him.

He's probably has a girl. What do you think about people who write people and girls who write men and women? It's this weird quality where women get turned on by dangerous abandoning aggressive males. Don't know what their dads maybe were like, but where they are contained, they don't have to worry about it. They're not gonna cheat, they're not gonna do it, they're not gonna get aggressive to them,

they're behind bars. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, and they're always available, they're always available to write your back. And they're very responsive. And they're telling you how great you are, how gorgeous you are all the time, they're not, they don't come home and it's like, where's my dinner?

They didn't forget to pay the, the, the, the, your fantasy. They didn't get to pay, forget to pay a bill or anything else. And then as a female, this is like extreme codependency. You have the, you know, magical insight into their special person and not understood properly. But I understand them. I understand that. So of course, their wounded core that they're really responding person and not understood properly, but I understand them. I understand that. So of course, they're wounded core that they're really responding to.

Yeah. Is there any healthy relationship that can happen between a woman who falls in love with someone who's behind bars? It depends on pathological the guy is, right? Yeah. And the female too, to be that. But it's going to have a

It's gonna need a lot of work. It's not gonna. It's not gonna survive by itself Right, you know, they love after lockup It has to be super committed and then see a therapist and then neither of those times people tend to do well with commitment What do you think about the Menendez brothers trying to get a new trial? because the latest news that came out was this guy who was part of Manudo. He said that he was unfortunately molested and raped by their father who was the head of the record label. even at their house. And so that would mean that their whole defense of that we were molested.

So the first trial that got out, and there was a mistrial, that it was, they got to share that evidence from like relatives and whatnot that remember the boys saying things like, I remember when I was eight and my cousin Lyle said this all that got out in the first Child there was a mistrial here the second trial happened after They lost the OJ and so then the DA you know was up against I've got a witness one and the judge in that chose to say For this trial none of that speculation from witnesses about

if they were molested or not can be heard. They, I guess, could say what they want, but no other people could speak on it. And then they were convicted of the crime, which we know that they killed that. There's no question that they killed. The molestation is not a defense against cold blood and murder, it just isn't. Yes. Now it might affect the sentencing

or that kind of stuff because it's attenuating circumstances but we're special circumstances but a lot of people are molested and don't kill their parents. Yeah. It's, to me, and by the way, if you needed help, this constantly might refrain. If you have a serious psychiatric problem

And it's making you violent or psych whatever get help and if you get to the point where you're drinking and driving and kill somebody Sorry, you just killed somebody and that's on you now. Yeah, it's not your disease It's you and you have to make that right I'm I am I am crystal clear about this that there's a point that once people cross that line It's up to the legal system at that point. It's not not a defense. Yeah, I mean they they there was pre-meditation and Everything that they yeah, you know, and by the way, you know, it's interesting. Did you see the documentary on them? Oh, I've seen everything about them.

Hearing, I guess, it's Kyle from Prisoner, they're separate of them, right? The ones like... It's Eric and Lyle. Yeah. Lyle, I think, is the one now that's done a lot of work or something, and he's sort of in recovery and he's spiritual. And I say, you heard him talk now? Yeah.

He's very interesting to hear him talk. He's like a new man. I mean, they were... But also, they were both... You know, they both had a great privileged upbringing as far as they went to Cal Basses high they got into good colleges they were very good tennis players but then of course oh we they were forced to do tennis we were abused in between the tennis matches all of that and then but yeah I mean you know talk about white people problem forced to do that. That's so silly. Then whether one like was bald and he was wearing a toupee as a teenager and the mom made

fun of it. Yeah, they had a weird, sick dynamic. I don't question it. Yes. And when one of them seen more ill than the other and one just got sucked into the other stuff. Well, the older I think would, you know, and the older and the and then I think they realized that they were being and then the

Prosecution was they knew they were being cut off because one had already dropped out of Princeton for cheating on a test And the other one the dad was like you're gonna go to UCLA But you're gonna live at home because he had f'd up and so then the defense was Well the older brother knew that the younger one would be subjected to being raped while he was going to UCLA. And so our only, you know, means of getting out of this before they killed us was to kill them. As they watched TV and ate ice cream and they got the two guns and they shot them. I totally believe they did murder people, pre-menitail cobalt.

But I do have some sympathy for the fact that I definitely think they were molested, definitely think they were abused by both the parents. And if there was a way to either do another trial or something and that they could at some point get out, I, in my personal opinion, I think they have done the time for the crime of their parents, and I don't think they're going to murder anybody else

when they get out. How do you feel about the Manson girl? I mean, she just got out. I think it's gonna be interesting as 75 or something. And when people get older, even violent people are even people with bad personality problems, they all settles down when you get older, even violent people, even people with bad personality problems, they all settles down when you get older.

The ones that are going to be a problem, it's always kind of obvious. This one, this woman, I forget her name, was being of service and running groups and really it became an evolved person. I'm not worried about her. I mean, I feel horrible for her victims. Well, that's a different question. That's a different question. If we're just really looking at it,

it's like she was, I don't even know if she was 20 years old when it happened, sucked into a cult in that time, drugs and everything else. And it's like, and then 50 years of not doing any of that, not being around any of those people. Well, it's an interesting question. I mean, is there a threshold, and those certainly, they were flirting with that threshold of horror, after which you should just pay ultimate price, and that's it, regardless

of the circumstances. I don't know a strong opinion about that. Do you know, what do you think about the Idaho murder? Do you think he, what is your opinion on this whole thing? He's just waiting, we're just waiting for the details on this. I remember he went to the four people in the house. And what was the his deal? I forget his deal is the price. I mean, he probably knew at least one of them. I think we don't we still don't totally know, like, who was he after, did two other people wake up and also become victims of what happened.

The analysis I've heard of this guy, and I, again, I have no direct information, was that this is a true serial killer, a true who gets off on this stuff. And he was studying crime, who was a TA, even for a crime class. Yes, he was involved and fascinated by all this stuff. This is the real deal, as far as I can tell. And what, speaking of serial killers. And this is stuff, if you see that series, what does it mind something, but the FBI profilers

and how they develop this, it goes into great detail about who these guys are and how they came up with profiling them. This is the newest serial killer. This is the Long Island serial killer who killed all the sex workers over the last 12 years. You're bumming me out man. That's good. So I talk about marriage again. We're gonna get into some of that. We're gonna we'll wrap it up in a bit. But I just that's why I put the marriage stuff at the top. When these people,

when these serial killers that are not just like living in a basement by themselves, they have a full job. He was an architect in Manhattan. At some point, his client was Donald Trump for something. He lived in a nice neighborhood. He had a wife and kids. What is your opinion of that where you're living this whole other life? That's often the way they are.

It's, and you know, it is both, there's different versions of it, right? Sometimes it's sexual gratification that they need this in order to be sexually satisfied. Sometimes it's the power and control and actually witnessing the terror and the other person that they get off on, so to speak. But it's something that they need,

even when it's not sexual, kind of has that kind of libid, so to speak. But it's something that they need, even when it's not sexual, kind of has that kind of libidinal drive to it. They have to gratify it periodically. And even though it's not there all the time and they are not having any aggressive feelings towards other people or desire to kill other people, they have this very specific thing that they have to gratify once and a while

and they just go do it. It's the worst. That's where people get into evil. And then they also have fun of like being so good at They have to gratify once in a while and they just go do it. It's the worst. That's where people get into evil. Then they also have fun of like being so good at that they're not getting caught. Yeah. Crazy. Mine hunters, I think that thing was called.

You got to watch that series. It really does a great job of- I'm going to- The last one I want to ask you about, because this nurse, this was the male nurse Charles Cullen, you know, movie about it. How he- He was killing patients. Yeah, he was killing patients. He was actually like he was the male nurse Charles Cullen, you know, movie about it, how he was killing patients. Yeah, he was killing patients.

He was actually like, he was the most caring things. And he would get off on killing, not even people that were that old, but just like, and they finally, what makes a health professional do that? Because he's not the only one. There's about a few. Well, when I've seen it in the past, it's sometimes, and I don't think that's what this is, but sometimes it's a sort of evangelical, like a vigilanteism, like we're letting people suffer.

They need to just be allowed to die naturally, and they help them along, and they're going to stay in the system forever, and they don't know how miserable they're going to be. I need to help them and save them from this system. Right. Because, again, almost like the psychotic mom killing the kids for the devil doesn't get them. system forever and they don't know how miserable they're going to be. I need to help them and save them from this system. Right. Again, almost like the psychotic mom killing the kids for the devil doesn't get them. Yeah. They feel justified in saving them from the misery that now I'm guessing that as a nurse that they, you know, we see a lot of misery and suffering and maybe they

can't handle that. Yeah. And so they have to save people from it, something like that. That's, I don't think that's what this was. Right. This guy actually seemed to get off on it, which is that other thing I was just talking about. Yeah. So they have to save people from it, something like that. That's, I don't think that's what this was. Right. This guy actually seemed to get off on it, which is that other thing I was just talking about. Yes. Drew, we are going to talk more. We're going to do it on Patreon because it does get a little juicier and darker. That's what I have to have. Darker than we've been talking about. Why do you take me to this path? Everybody knows who you are, but just tell them where they can find you and all the shows you're

working on. Do come up and say hi to me if you're a juicy scoop where I love that. I really, really, really do enjoy this community. The show that Susan produces right now is on fire. It's Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Most Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday at three o'clock. It's a streaming show. Just go to doctor.tv and you'll get a blast on that. And I've been interviewing all the people that have been silenced during COVID. And I realized some of them are non-scientific and some of them aren't saying things I really agree with. But I've learned something from every single one of them.

And I'm realizing through having done this show and really trying to put together the history of what happened to us in the last three years, I'm realizing there's a bigger problem than just people being non-scientific. There's a social, cultural, political thing that's preventing us, the scientists and the clinicians, for even getting access to the science. And so that's a bigger problem.

And I'm very, very concerned about that. I thought about that in the shower this morning. I thought, oh, that's why I'm fascinated by this. Because I'm trying to understand the science. If I don't have access to the back and forth in medical literature that we normally have, what am I looking at? I don't understand what it is I'm doing anymore. That's a cultural problem.

Anyway, dooddoctor.com, after dark, more comedy stuff, you'll like that a little better. It's more like love line. Then I do a show with'm still now three days away. That's great. Adam Kroll. All right, thank you.