Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Elizabeth Holmes Lets Us See Everything? Selena's Vape Voice and Miley's Bowl Blues

Episode Date: October 20, 2026

Kempire is here, and we're getting into all the hot topics! First up, I'm breaking down You Can See Everything, the number one movie about Elizabeth Holmes: what was real, what wasn't, and what her real intention was in doing this film. Selena Gomez opens up about vaping and how it's affected her voice, and Miley Cyrus addresses fans about her lack of enthusiasm at the Hollywood Bowl. Then Kempire joins me for Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I remind you my new song drops this Thursday, October 22nd, and ask: am I bothered by Housewives who can't sing becoming pop stars? Plus, what did Bronwyn pay her boyfriend, and was he even a boyfriend at all? We dig into Real Housewives of New York and the Jeffrey Epstein of it all, and what Emily really meant when she said Shane was watching a how-to video on pleasing women down there on RHOC. And finally, the most explosive show right now, Real Housewives of Potomac: Dr. Wendy and her husband Eddie's fraud charges, and Tia's husband getting caught with a dating profile. So juicy, so good! ⁠https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/heathermcdonald/juicy-scoop -Get 15% off your first order plus free shipping at https://bollandbranch.com/juicyscoop with code juicyscoop. -Go to https://ButcherBox.com/JUICYSCOOP to get $20 off your first box, plus ground beef AND bacon in every box for life — with free shipping always. -Find the fall pieces you’ll reach for most at Quince. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to ⁠⁠https://quince.com⁠⁠  -Nutrafol is offering our listeners $15 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you visit ⁠https://⁠Nutrafol.com⁠ ⁠and enter promo code JUICYSCOOP  -Head to https://Talkiatry.com/JUICYSCOOP to complete the short assessment and get matched with an in‑network psychiatrist in just a few minutes. Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/cw/juicyscoop Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopTZFUvAeokrJJ6dQ5wuAW1T3nssO6pHk47u7KymJUBtBgKCvfX Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald/ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Heather McDonald's Juicy Scoot. and welcome to juicy scoop. We have so much to get into, and I have a great expert joining me back again. It's Kempeyer. Hey. Kempire, you have been killing it with your YouTube and your podcast

and your interviews, and you cover pop culture and housewives in a way that is different than I, so we have a lot to talk about, and I know you're bringing some inside scoop and some great perspectives. Of course. So first, before we,

we have so much to get into it, but I do want to talk about the hottest movie that I mean, listen, you guys know I've talked about Elizabeth Holmes for years. I like to imitate her. I was obsessed with the Hulu show and all that with the one drop. So we knew that Nathan, what's this last name? Sorry.

Can someone tell me is that? Friedman. Fielder. Okay, hold on. So we know that Nathan Fielder, who is very popular, I wasn't that familiar with this work, the rehearsal and all this, that he was going to do this documentary on her. And people were so excited. And the minute it came out Friday, I heard from people.

You've got to see it. Everyone's been telling me about it. You were flying from New York, so you have not been able to see it. And a lot of people are saying, just go see it without any spoilers. So I don't want to totally spoil it, but I did want to give my perspective because it's, you're watching this documentary. He moves in with them. So Elizabeth Holmes, what I always thought was so interesting is,

after she was convicted of all this fraudulent stuff, that she created this machine. She lied about it. We saw it spelled out in the Hulu movie. She was involved with some of the most smartest people in the world. Right. And she also got so much media attention because she was pretty attractive and she was making it.

I know you don't think so. But for like a nerdy girl, when she got her hair, real blonde and put on that turtleneck and those big blue eyes. And she was nerdy. And deep into her voice. And the deep voice. And she was like nerdy. So like, I think nerdy guys kind of were like, okay. And an old nerd was like, all right. And wanted to believe in this thing. And I saw the interviews with her in the beginning. And I was like, I remember going, wow, this is amazing that you could just go get one drop of blood could test you for like a million diseases. And so I was very curious about this movie. And

And now everyone's talking about, was this real? Was it not? What did I really watch? It's really a documentary about making a documentary. Because in my opinion. So it starts out, but he's a huge part of it. So you see the documentarian throughout it, which normally you wouldn't see. You'd see the person sitting in the chair and all that.

And then there's this element that they think is a big surprise, but to me, I'm just going to say, I don't care, where they kind of reveal that the husband. or the father's two kids. So she meets this guy. And I remember when I heard that she was with this guy, his parents are hoteliers. He comes from a lot of money. But he also has an MIT degree. And when you first see him, he's like hot. You're like, she's like so dorky.

You're like, how did she like pull in this hot guy? And he's like fit and tall. But by the end of the movie, you're like, how did he get so ugly in just a couple hours of watching this? It based off its personality? Yes, what gets revealed about him and all the different things. They present it in a way that you're like, okay, you know, you end up more confused when you leave. You're like, I still don't know this person.

And the whole thing is like, but one thing that you, everyone walks away with, I believe, and this is why I think she did it, is you see her with these two young children who she has to leave. The dad then brings them every week. He moves to Texas. She was at the, she's at, Jen Shaw's Prison. Brian's Prison. It's called Brian Prison Camp or something. I call it Jen Shaw's Prison.

Yeah. And they made, they became friends when they were there. And you can sit out along with your kids and things like that. But he brings them every week. And I was like, hey, you know, that is pretty great. I don't know what his intentions are. He's a really, he's obviously a decent dad. But then in the movie, they, after she's gone to

prison. They come, and there's like a walking, like, um, lizard or iguana like in their house. Hmm. Like just hanging out. And I was like, well, that doesn't sound like a great parent. Like there's, it was very weird. My, I'll just summarize it as this, okay. I think that Nathan pitched this movie or had the intention of this movie with all of it planned out in that anything I don't get from her, I'm going to bring in a man. This is the spoiler part. Amanda Siegfried is part of it. The actress that played her? Yes, I don't care that I'm spoiling this.

I don't care you about it. People are going to know about it if you see. Now it's five days out. So she comes in and because she played her then can kind of share things that he like legally can't share. So they sort of like and that's that's a big shock. But now people are picking it apart and being like really what was this. And I first thought, the reason she's, why would she allow this to happen since she's saying the media has portrayed me in all this ways?

I want you to see me. I think it was someone convinced her, listen, people should see you in a way with your children because if you're up for pardon, I don't think she'll get up for a pardon. But like if you're up for like cutting your 11 years and half or something, I don't think there'll be an outrage to keep you in there longer because you lied. two big, rich, ugly, dork investors. You are a mom and you're a weirdo. And then also she comes off where you're like, I think she could have like had great SAT scores and gotten at Stanford,

but I also think she's like really dumb. Wow. So it's like she's like, but you have to be pretty smart to be like an ultimate grifter. Oh my gosh. She is the ultimate grifter. And then on CBS this morning, they had the Theranos whistleblower.

Tyler Schultz, who's featured in the Hulu Doc. Remember his grandpa was like kind of an investor and he worked at the place? Yes. And he was really the whistleblower and even the grandpa was like, shut up. He comes on, Good Morning. CBS Good Morning.

And he's like, this person I'm seeing in this movie is completely unrecognizable. Like this is not who walked in in the turtleneck and could tell these billionaires and charm thus manipulate and the lies like if you just but you know people's memories are very short. So you're watching it. She's basically doing this thing and he'll be like it's like you're going back and forth.

So it's like he'll say, so what was the truth? The truth is my truth. And I conveyed it that the machine did work. but the chemistry is what was still taking time. And he's like, so it didn't work. You do that too well. It did. It worked.

And I'm being completely transparent with you in telling you that it was my understanding that the elements that we had were in conjunction with what we were trying to convey. And so I don't know why I am here. I'm living in a parallel. So she's still insisting. So she says it all and I mean. And she's still doing that voice. It's still a little. It's not as low.

It's really like I'm doing more of a caricature. Like Amanda, the actress, she really got it down where it's like really long stairs. And it's a little bit low, but it's not as low as like what I'm doing. It's more like, you can see everything. You can be every. I want you to know that I want to know about it. She really believes her life. lies. She believes her lies. I also think she is desperate in that she's very reliant on this

husband. They kind of make the husband the villain and they reveal some things that are very politically correct about. I'm okay if you'd spoil it because whoever sees this. Yeah, I mean, the husband comes off and he's like, later on, you realize that he made it like an avatar of her. So like, so that if she's gone for a long time, he could like profit off her of her image. she, you know, and so I'm like, how did this movie come about? Then it comes out that he wants to get paid. And they're like, does she know that he wants to get paid? Because normally, always in documentaries, the subjects aren't supposed to be paid because you're agreeing to do it so that people will see you. But I have always thought that's sort of a bullshit rule. Yeah.

Why is, why are they going to be? They already said the profits of, they've already made their money 217% back or something in four days. So I was like, why shouldn't they make money off? of it. Well, because then they would think it was compromised. Listen, I've been part of documentaries. I've never been paid. And then I have found out that other people commenting on this stupid pop culture bullshit have been paid. So you can get paid. You can definitely get paid. The American Next Top Model documentary, some people were paid for that. Yeah. So I'm like, so he, they present that he wanted to be paid for it. Now, my or she is, isn't he an air? Does he need the money? I looked it up. They said he's worth 10 million, which is, you know,

a lot of money, but they have small kids. They have to be on this earth for another 80 years. I don't know, you know. As a family not taking care of him anymore either. Right.

And then he's got some, then they tried to do it again. They're like working on another like science thing together, which is just insane. And so he. Elizabeth and her husband. And her husband, Billy Evans.

So I did some more research. And one of the producers of this, is Jack Davis of the Davis. It's one of the biggest entertainment, multi-generational families, USC, Annenburg, Oil. This guy's uncle was married to Kim Richards. Wow. And then so he's like a grandson of the main money. His aunt I went to college with. So Jack Davis, I think, might have known Billy. Evans and he works for eight, you know, he's a producer on A24 and kind of, I think, said, this would be a really good thing for you. I think, A, we're going to see a human side of her. Maybe people will sympathize with her. But also it could be a big deal. And so he said, you know, I'd like to get paid for this. And they're not married because she owes millions of dollars of restitution. But I'm kind of like, why shouldn't he get paid? I was sort of like, I don't know. I don't, I'm not. So they kind of reveal that to be like, oh, my God, like, this guy is the villain and he's like running her.

But they're going to make millions off in this documentary. Yes. And he definitely does not come off good, which is so interesting. But then there's still this part of me that I'm like, listen, I know there's a lot of women in prison right now that have kids. And a lot of women are in prison for the crimes that their partner did. They get caught for helping with the drug dealers, whatever. And their partner is not bringing those kids every week. So I'm just sort of like, I don't know.

But he comes off awful. Based off the documentaries, if you've watched it, did it change your mind about her? You know what it got to me is that some people that are professional liars, love bombers, grifters, shady business people, American greed. the reason why people are so fixated on a dirty John or a love bomber is because you just keep going, why? Why would they do this? What did they get off on it? Is the thrill walking into an open house and acting like you're going to buy this house and seeing the realtor get all excited because you are flashing around your fake watch? And I don't know what the thrill is because I'm not a liar.

So I think that's what it is. I think she's just the top of the chain of being like a. freaking weirdo that nobody understands. And then they zoom in on like her big blue eyes and you're like, okay, I'm appreciating seeing your fucking pupil. I don't need to see your pores. I don't need to see Nathan's pores either. But it's this kind of way that they do it. And it's really brilliant. Like it's brilliant filmmaking. It's brilliant storytelling. There's twists and there's turns. It's three hours long and you're really not bored. And I mean, maybe for some younger people, they might feel it could have been cut down to two. I don't have

things about it. But it is really amazing because it's fascinating. And because she's a woman, when female criminals are also more fascinating than male because there's less of them, including financial scammers. You know, there are women. Yeah, women do it. But it's sort of fascinating. And the fact that you see her and she's, you know, polite and sweet and nice and, you know,

breastfeeding and caring towards her kids, it's, yeah, it's like. like a fascinating study, but you leave not knowing anything. So when they're like, you know, you can see everything, you see that like the letters are cut off. And the truth is you really can't see. You really didn't get everything. I mean, I can completely get the thrill of what she was able to do because she was able to convince some of the smartest, richest men in the world into believing her grift. That alone, I can imagine making her like, oh my gosh, look at what I did. And now everyone's talking about her. Right. We're talking about her.

Everyone on every level, every media site, they're still talking about her how many years later? And this kind of happens with housewife grifters too, which we'll get into. Plenty. She and her husband focused on this one thing that they claim she never said that was written in the New York Times. In the New York Times, they did an article, an interview with her. And it says that she said, they were portraying a character that I created. And she said, I never said that. I said they were portraying a character, not a character that I created, a character.

And they go back and forth. And in the end, Nathan doesn't get a real answer from the New York Times. There's no one showed receipts on either side if she said it or not. And it's like they focused on one little thing. Not the 600 times she said in the deposition, I don't know about her stupid, dumb blood machine. like they focus on this one little thing because it was like that article you know how like housewives will be like yes it's all over the press and you're like no offense to reality blur but that isn't all over the press okay that is not all over the press and you know and you said this one thing about me two years ago and it's like I get it because it's your life and it was a lie and I've been there too

but it's kind of interesting when there's so many bigger lies that she's going to take this one little moment from a New York Times article and be like you remember in Pretty Wilde the TV show on E that famous scene where the girl is so mad that in Vanity Fair she was part of the ring bling

Oh and that part in Vanity and she talks to the Vanity Fair and she's like you wrote in the article that I had Louis Vuittons. They were not Louis Vuittons they were kitten heels from BB and so she's like I don't like that you portraying me as this like

rich girl when they weren't you were wrong about my shoes so maybe you're wrong about and like they focus on one little thing and so there that's I mean I've only heard great things about this document you have to see it because it causes a lot of interest but I think this is what I'm in conclusion about this I think he planned it out knowing that he had Amanda in his back pocket to come in and and be this thing because I don't think that A24 would think that just a documentary following her around for 30 days before she goes to prison for 11 years being sad and crying and a dimly lit rented cottage in San Diego would do it. Okay. And I also think that the motivation was in convincing you're going to do it. Let's show aside so that maybe your time

will be cut in half or a pardon or something that you're actually a traditional mother and let's play on the mother card. And then also he is a weirdo. And they were two weirdos coming together for love. Come together that are like very dependent on each other. And there is love there, but there is coercion and manipulation and control happening. On what side? It appears to be he controlling her. But then you're kind of like, I don't know.

because they're so, like, they're weird and like the weird science smart side, but then like she didn't get comedy. And I've had that where I've interviewed people and I'm like, oh, they're not getting, I'm joking. And so he proves that by showing this old funny bit who's on first with Abbott and Costello, which you'd never seen, never heard of, which is normal. It's a very old black and white bit. But he was like, he films that and you see that she does not understand joking, which is also kind of a sign of being on the spectrum and things like that. and just being like socially awkward. Yeah. And that her partner who also got convicted of these crimes who were CEO is this older man,

you might feel some sympathy like maybe she's just a girl that gets influenced by men, which no matter how smart you are, no matter how powerful you are, if you're a woman, no matter what year it is, you can still be manipulated and controlled by a man because that's the nature of our genders. So I think there's that. Wow. So I'm seeing, based up the documentary, you were convinced that she was an innocent party. She was an innocent party.

So it worked. 824, you did that. No, but I do think that if we find out that instead of doing 11 years, she only did four and a half, I don't think people will be up in arms and angry about it at all. Yeah. And I think that she will have a career and be a fascinating person and maybe be a real housewives of San Diego or wherever she is. Like, I think people will still be fascinated by her afterwards. So I think her fame may never go away.

People are still talking about Elizabeth Holmes. How many years later? Well, they are because of this. Yeah. I definitely don't think. But they're still interested. Right. Because they're like, because we never, because it was so fascinating and we didn't understand it.

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Each week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a way to turn them into their greatest strengths. Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm hitting to the Emmys. have police complaints filed against me. When your free will is about to be taken from you, what would you do if it was given back? Where did that need come from where you thought that you had to succeed in order to feel loved? He said, I have a work dad. I need a home dad.

What happens next? When I came in he started crying. Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not those hard moments that they go through. It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth of work.

Listen, Dar, I'm not going to pull punches. You can use your voice even if it's shaped. The stories are different, but the impact is the same. Only one question matters. What happens next? Okay, very big news about Selena Gomez, which is very interesting. A lot of people have said that her voice sounds different and it's changed. And just a history on Selena Gomez, she had lupus, got a kidney transplant from her best friend.

Yes. who then was no longer her best friend and has been seen vaping and things and cigarettes from over the years and people would get mad. And if you were the friend, you'd be like, why does my kidney have to be subjected to smoke?

Well, now she did a video saying, you're saying, now people are saying her voice sounds different and she said my voice sounds different because I have vaped for years and it's never going to go back to what it is. It sounds like this. And here's my PSA don't vape, which I'm like, that's good. You shouldn't.

I think she has to admit it. And then, of course, extreme conspiracy theorists believe that, you know, as Lizard took her over and entered her body and it's not her and it's a totally different person or it's, you know how they think celebrities have been swapped? Yes. I don't think that's the case. I think she's telling the truth. We've seen her vape. I think she did vape. I think it did affect her voice.

And I do think this is a really good lesson for the years. vapes, especially being as famous as she is, a lot of that is sort of trying to help ease anxiety. And she's had a lot of people, the Justin Bieber fans, everybody expecting a lot from her. So I'm not surprised that she leaned on something to kind of ease that anxiety. Yeah. But as the former best friend, I'd be pissed. I didn't gave you a part of me. We're no longer friends and you're abusing your body this way.

I still be pissed. If I was the friend, as someone that just comments on this stuff, good for you. Yes. And I remember I was years ago, I was in a grocery store and I saw a magazine and it was literally Selena Gomez and it was like my best friend. And it wasn't the girl that gave the kidney. And I did a funny thing on Juicy Scoop about it. And that, the episode came out and all of a sudden it was like my social media was going crazy. And I just didn't understand. And I was like, wow Selena Gomez, all these teenagers have time to send me snake emojis and like threaten my life. How is this?

And so I honestly did get scared at that time. I didn't understand bots and I didn't understand how maybe her team or whatever would work. Yeah. And it did keep me, it made me, I removed the video. Wow. And I, because I did a clip of it. Yeah. Remove the video.

And I was like, okay, fine. And I had to like block a million bots and all this other stuff. And then I realized, oh, you know, she doesn't, or her team doesn't want this being discussed. So one way to shut it down is just in and date a content creator's page. So you're like, you know what? There's other bitches to talk about. Fuck this. It kind of worked.

It did work. But that's not the first time I've heard that about it. I am now going to give her flowers because I do want people to stop vaping. I do think it's horrible. I do think it's even worse than cigarettes. I predicted cigarettes would come back as a way of flexing. I can spend $12 on a box of cigarettes. I'm Doreet, you know.

And all of it's bad. All smoking is bad. Vaping is bad. She's a singer. You only have your lungs, you know. She's a singer. You shouldn't be vaping, smoking, doing any of that stuff. Especially if you suffer from lupus and have a borrowed kidney.

Borrowed. Do you have to give it back? I mean, let's hope the other girl's new best friend doesn't need one. I'd want it back. I think of obviously they had some type of arrangement. And when she's been asked about it in the past, the best friend, she's kind of been lightly treading about it. She probably signed an NDA. Yeah, I'm sure everything.

And I'm sure there's financial something. How could you not? But I do appreciate that she got addicted to vaping, obviously, and is addressing it and warning people. And she's one of the most followed human beings on the planet. No, I saw the people trying me. They were coming for you. But no, she really has a huge fan base. So her saying that is a good thing.

Like if she could even influence anyone from putting down that vape and going, I don't want to sound like the old commercials with a, I'm talking to you, you know, like with a little cigarette through the lady's throat. That's what we saw growing up. And that kept us from smoking. And then I think vaping came and everyone was saying,

oh, it's better than smoking. And no, it's not. No, I mean, we've heard that for many, many years now, but people are still vaping. Yeah. Okay, Victoria's Secret fashion show came back. Yeah. I don't really understand.

So it went away. It stopped for a while during 2020 because people are like, everybody, every different body should be on there. Every ethnicity, which I agree with every ethnicity. I agree with, you know, different bodies and different styles. You're selling lingerie, so why shouldn't it be? It seemed like it went away. Wasn't there also like Epstein's friend who was involved in Victoria's Secret? I don't know.

I think Epstein was involved in a lot of people's business. on some shape or form. Anyway, so they decided to bring it back. Yeah. And all these people, including Nicole Kinman, were like in the audience and Megan the Stallion performed. And everyone's basically just wearing like a G string. Yeah.

Megan the Stallion looked. Gay. Gay. Megan the stallion, though, looked amazing. She's gorgeous. Oh, my God. And she was killing it. Yeah.

And so I'm like, I love it. You know, also in light of like this, the Shane Gillis controversy about wearing booty shorts, it's like, take that Shane Gillis. Everybody was fucking naked on this one runway. Looking amazing. And so Kylie Jenner wore the fantasy bra. It's always like, who's going to wear in the past? It was $100 million.

I don't know. It was a $50 million fantasy bra. So it's all real diamonds. I don't know why they couldn't go lab, but whatever. Supposedly, how would we know? We wouldn't know. How would we know if it was lab or fake or Kubrick-Zockegonian? Like, it's still going to be just as sparkly on her tits.

Exactly. She comes out. Timothy is smiling. with Chris Jeter. Yes. Chris Jetter was there. You look amazing, sweetie. And she just is a happy, glowing person.

And she came out, this little weird skirt was weird. But why Kylie? Why not Kendall? She's the model. I think Kendall's already done it. Okay, yes. And when Kendall was a little girl, her dream was to be a Victoria's Secret model. She said, like, that's my goal.

She got it. I don't know. I mean, all these things are how do we bring eyes on this brand? That's not the fanciest brand. It's in the mall. It's whatever. And you're competing with skims, you know? So I don't know.

I think they just were like, how do we bring the most eyes and bring this runway back where we're celebrating? That's interesting. They're competing with skims and they got someone from the family to be involved. You know what? They all have like skincare. They all have clothing lines. But then they also do brand. partnerships with aloe and with other things that would compete with skims.

And they just don't care. That's why I'm kind of like, well, I guess the true thing that you should take from it is like, there's enough from everybody, and we're not competing with each other. And you, you know, you can buy these. Did you see the big, and we didn't have this to discuss, but did you see the good American controversy on TikTok? Yes. So let me just explain.

So I'm seeing all these influencers going, I got so, I was so excited. I got invited to a good American. can pop up, come for treats and giveaways and walk away with stuff. So when you get invited to things like this, most likely you're going to walk away with a big fucking bag of goods. Hopefully at least one pair of jeans and maybe like some t-shirts, a water bottle and you're taking photos and whatever. Well, they, from what my understanding is, is they invite, they must have had some big team.

They invited so many influencers. People flew in from it. Yeah. And some of them are doing videos and they're like, look, I only have 4,000 followers. Yeah. I shouldn't have been invited. But I was. So if I was invited, who else was invited?

We all came and then what? Some of them didn't even make it inside. They could never get inside. Yeah. And it was raining. So people are waiting out, dressed up, waiting to get in. So a lot of people ended up. Has Chloe spoken and said up sorry?

No. I haven't seen anything. I think the new thing is don't address it. Be quiet. There'll be a new story tomorrow. My daughter, it's about my sister today wearing a. $50 million bra. I didn't invite all these influencers.

My team did. I'm not going to apologize for my team. And now everybody that wasn't aware of Good American, because like I see Good American all over TikTok, you don't have to go to the mall to buy it. It's not cheap, but people swear by the jeans, say they stretch and all that stuff. Okay. So I, some people think that that was also the plan. Like a way of going viral.

To have it be like a rat fuck. Yeah. Just to get everybody then tell. telling I got in, because if these people don't have a lot of followers, they're going to tell their followers, guess what, guys, I made it. I got invited to a Kardashian pop-up. Yeah. And it was a disaster. So now we get another, the whole point of inviting them is to do the promotion for us. That's what influencing is. And now they're doing it anyway, but not in a good way. Yeah. Yeah. I guess what all press is good press? I think so. I mean, it's not going to make someone not buy the jeans because some influencer that didn't deserve to be there anyway, didn't get a free pair of jeans. Like now you're like, okay, well, let me see what's so great about these. Oh, well, actually that girl looks pretty good in them. All right, I'll buy a pair, you know.

I think it's a good lesson for influencers and content creators because I'm sure you get tons of emails and invitations to go to different things. You have to really start looking through those things, asking questions in regards to it, you know, why am I invited? You know, is there a budget? Are you going to pay for me to, you know, are you going to cover, you know, any of these expenses? And that should be your answer. Yes, there's certain things that you should make an effort and go to because maybe it will put you in front of faces that you would never be in front of.

Right. But then you have a life lesson like this because there are people that were invited that had millions of followers that were waiting online in the rain and that did not make it in. Right. If you get an email with a great investment opportunity for Theranos Laser 2 to help test blood disease. I'm going. Maybe don't invest in that. No, but there is something that's been going around. That's a perfect example of millionaires and billionaires that were scammed by Elizabeth Holmes.

Right. So you shouldn't feel bad. Right. You shouldn't feel bad. But you should, a couple of people got on planes. You should invest if you're putting any money forth. Now, if you live down the street in New York and you walked over and you're like, oh, fuck this line. Did I get invited?

I need to look. You probably did. I get tons of emails. But then sometimes you're like, why didn't I get invited? Like, what the hell when you see some of the people at like a Bravo event? I'm like, God, geez. That happens all the time. is just some who's ever in charge of that it's just they're trying to do their job as quickly as

possible and if you're not at the top of their mind or whatever but there is a scam that's been going on in the podcast world for a few years now which is you'll get an email like i've gotten so many we'd like to first it started out as three thousand dollars now it's four thousand dollars to be a guest on a podcast that's most of them are not similar to me but some have been it's a total scam They have an email that looks real. They have it like producer for this podcast. And then they go, it's a $4,000 appearance fee if you'll be on this show. And then you look up the show and it's like some guy who's like a wellness inspirational guy.

And your first thought is like, well, wow, that could be like a whole new audience and shit. I'm $4,000. But we know it's a scam. And they've done it. People have gotten it from me. And so really what the final thing is is if you go the distance with it, they say, well, it's going to be a Facebook live event. And then before they do it, before you do the fake interview,

somehow you have to give them access to your Facebook. Oh, I did hear this. And then they fuck you that way. I don't know how like. I don't, why would you ever do that? Well, I know a comedian that didn't get caught and talked about it. And it just screwed up that section of his social media and that then they have access to those people.

They could pose this as him. Yeah. I don't know what because I don't know if it really results. and dollars or what, but they hijack your thing. And so beware, it's not real, but also, it's true. Before you spend any time being excited about an email, investigate a little bit. But this was a legit thing. Yeah, it was.

They just didn't. Just know that you're not, it's, there's, you know, I mean, I guess the question to be asked would be like, well, how many people, how many influencers were invited? It seemed like hundreds. It's a long line. Or a thousand. I mean, like, maybe that would be the answer, the question to ask. Yeah.

How exclusive an event is this? You know, will I definitely? Don't assume. Ask more questions. Or say, like, will I be on a list? Do I have to wait in line? Mm-hmm. You know?

And my big age, I'm not waiting on lines anymore. No, of course not. Like, never. Miley got some heat. She was at Hollywood Bowl. Yes. Sold out shows. Yes.

And after her Friday show, people got on the TikTok and started to share that, you know, a lot, her fans are people that, like, oh, my God, They love her from Hannah Montana, but they also are like, she's such an inspiring, you know, she's quite poetic and stuff. And she got me through a breakup and this, that. Well, she is tired of singing her old songs. She didn't want to sing them. And she also was like, hey, I don't even know if I want to perform anymore.

So I agreed to taking these two dates or three dates. And like, we'll see if I'm still feeling it after is basically what she has said in interviews. And then on stage Friday got a lot of. criticism for not singing all the words, doing the mic. Now you sing it. Party in the USA. Oh. Okay. Party in the U.S. So everyone had to sing it. And so now everyone's singing it around you, which sometimes is really annoying. Like I don't want to see it. And I don't want to sing it. And I don't want this loser that I've never met next to me at the Hollywood. Yeah. And I don't want that. And then so then anyway, she addressed the criticism last.

last night. Yes. And, you know, one of our things like, I don't know, I'm present with you today. I'm present with you tonight. And the Sunday,

Hollywood Bowl, people, we're going to show the Friday. People are like, they're losers. I don't know. But I don't think as a performer, you should ever reveal that,

that you're like in a place where you're like, I don't know if I want to do this anymore. This is a test run. I'm sick of singing these old corny songs. Like, if they're on your playlist and you're going to do them, people spent thousands of dollars, they got a sitter,

they got dog sitter, they like, you know. People flew in. Yeah, just you need to get yourself together, do a great fucking show, and then retire. Yeah. Because she doesn't need the money.

Don't reveal that you just aren't feeling it. Yeah. And you have a right not to feel it because, you know, Dolly Parton passed away a month ago. Like that's not enough of a reason, sorry. It sounds greedy because it sounds as if she's getting a big bag for these shows and she's like,

I really don't want to do this, but she's not, she's not giving the full. picture of why she decided to do it. And clearly she's getting paid a lot to do it, but she doesn't want to do it. Right. Exactly. And that's what it felt like.

And that's not good for your fans. Hopefully the people that went Sunday got a few more lyrics from her. A few more lines. I will never do that because speaking of Real Housewives of Salt Lake, you know, Lisa Barlow has a new hit. I want to remind you guys, my new song, The Juicy Scoop. You have a song? I have a new song dropping this Thursday. day. There's pre-links. It's a real song. I really sing it. I co-wrote it. I worked with a real producer. I

really can sing. And it's very clever, funny lines, women empowerment, juicy scooper people. Do you want to sing a little bit of it for us? Okay. Let me just see if I could sing. Grab a glass and unwind. Okay. That's all I'm going to give you. It's on tune too. This is coming from a professional singer. You, oh, so have you, okay, well, we'll check me out. Campire on all social, all streaming. Yeah, so I had, we got it all together. Okay. So you can listen, you can download it for free anywhere come this Thursday. I was not ready for that. World drop. And then I'll do a little version to introduce juicy scoop every, every show. So I'll have a new theme song after 11 years. Because I had a show for 11 years. Yeah. Yeah. Well, congratulations on that. That's not an easy thing to do.

Yeah. Have you mentioned to the world before? that you sing? I've done little singing on the show and stuff like that. Yeah. But jokingly. Yeah, jokingly. But like I was like a theater kid and stuff.

Oh, okay. Yeah. That's amazing. So we'll see. I'm telling you it's a really hip song. I did it at the comedy club and everyone loved it and everyone, all the wait staff was like singing it and getting into it.

It's very catchy. And it's not AI. It's not an AI song at all. Do you get pissed off though when you see like housewives that really have no theater background, can't sing, then they have huge success like hypocrisy and bullshit. Hypocrisy and bullshit,

bullshit. No, absolutely not. Because, listen, I have delighted in these people. It's kind of like when I was saying of Elizabeth Holmes. When Amanda said, you could tell that she

kind of had love for her in the movie because she played her and it was her best acting moment. So for me, I will never have anything but love for all the housewives, even if they don't like me. Yeah. Who doesn't like you? I don't know, but I've done it a lot.

Mostly they like me because I do, I never say someone should get fired. I sometimes say, oh, this person's annoying or I imitate them or whatever. But I also think they've given me so much fun to do impersonations and all that stuff. And I say, be a DJ, sell your caviar. do whatever these side gags because you're not getting residuals you're not getting health insurance we get to enjoy you for eternity your kid may hate you for the rest of your life for doing it so fuck yeah put on your bad hair extensions and make some coin well shout out to the what is it was it secret lives of Mormon wise now they're executive producers of their show that was very smart

that's amazing that was very smart and they came together I mean those girls are quitting and firing every day but it was a smart thing because it wasn't brava because it was who because it was a different production company. I don't know who was the ringleader of that. But it was smart. But it was very, very smart. And with, you know, they, but with these girls, you know, it is an very entertaining show with all of them. And amazing editing.

They doing a great job. And now the showrunner that's in Salt Lake is over in New York. And you can tell just based off the editing, it's so, done so well. Well, editing, you know, in regular film, if you. get a great comedic editor. They have a comedic eye. So you get, and there is a lot of comedy in Housewives. And I appreciate the comedy.

Sometimes some people, it's not that funny. I like to lean into the funny. The drama is good too. But if the women are funny and big personalities, we don't need to, you don't need to destroy their business. You don't need to expose that their husband's gay. If you're funny enough, you don't have to go. I'm turning it up a little bit.

And then it's just funny. If you have a good person, and this is why I say all the time about Housewives. You don't need a storyline if you have a good personality. Yeah. You don't need a storyline. You're sharp, witty. I can care less about what could be going on in your personal life.

If you are, you show up for work and you're funny, you're interesting, you're engaging, you're shady. You don't need a storyline. I could care less. So in this, they're in San Francisco. Oh, Lord. So just to catch people, they go out of, group trip.

And now we know Lisa Barlow came up with the song, Baby Gorgeous. You're just baby gorgeous. And people realize they kind of liked her voice when they had like a talent competition. And she did away in a manger. No crib for his head. And people are like, wow, that sounds kind of good. So she did a song. and then she, now she and Meredith,

have joined forces. And I think it's smart that they did, even though at one time the greatest hot mic moment was Elizabeth Barlow with Lisa Barlow with a mic on saying, I fucking hate her, her fake fucking family renting houses, sleeping with half in New York. She's a fucking bitch.

I don't care. And she had to apologize for that for three years. Well, now Meredith is like, who cares? And Meredith had her new face and they join. And I think they should join because they, I believe, are what gay guys would go, mother. Like, they are mother. They're gorgeous. They really are moms.

They're good moms. They're dedicated moms. And they are like above, I believe. Something about them is above. They're more iconic in the world of housewives than the other cast members. Yeah. And I think that's why you see the cast members so focused on them and saying like, oh, you're not great. You're doing this.

You're doing that. And I feel like the other cast have made them even more iconic. Right. And they probably normally would have been. And I think they realize like we're the two brunette beauties. We are iconic. We are funny. We don't give a shit.

We really don't like these people. Let's join forces. And they save this week's episode. And they go and they practice their song while they're in the glam. We see that. And it really doesn't have any other lines, I don't think. It does. It does.

It does. Hypocrisy and bullshit. I'm bored. And of course, manipulation. Yeah. Okay. Well, I just want to say my song has full on refrains, different choruses, different moments, different paragraphs of very clever stuff that's iconic to me and my show. But anyway, I love it.

Like I said, it's funny and it is catchy. It's saved the party. Lisa Barlow, again, out of all the housewives I've met, most everybody's very nice. Why wouldn't they be nice to me? you know, based on what I do and stuff is fine. But I do like her a lot. Is she your favorite of the cast? Yeah, she's the most fun to make, to impersonate to.

And I just kind of relate to her like with her two sons and being a mom and doing her thing. And I don't know. And I'm like, and the fact that her biggest crime might could be that she leaked something to a blogger or to a podcast. They all do that. They all do that. They all do that. So I don't think that's. a crime. Yeah. You know, I mean, so in it, let me see what else I was going to say. So right now,

you sent me this. This was the video from the drag brunch where Whitney got very drunk. She has not drank since. Allegedly. She got, oh, okay. Well, who cares? Well, a lot of these women, listen, I was the first to kind of have like housewives do a live show with me. And they were not comfortable doing live stuff. So when people do that, they get very nervous and they do drink, which can lead to sloppy shit. And so she gets up there and she brings up this thing that had on the plane where Meredith was very mad at Brittany because Brittany brought up that Seth was cheating. Seth, who's her husband who the she said, hey, we filed and then we made sweet love in a bathtub. And now we're back together.

selling caviar why I do DJing and we are fine. So, but she got pissed on the flight back and I guess was like jerking Britney's. She was, I believe whatever they said happened on that flight in regards to Meredith. Freaking out. Making comments and doing all the things. And you know, if you're annoyed with someone, you might, if you're going to the bathroom, shake their, their seat on your way to the bathroom. I believe that 100% happened.

But nobody has footage or audio or anything. But then Whitney Rose goes, she totally assaulted, Brittany. There is proof. There is receipts. But I can't share about it because there's bigger people that are protecting them and there's lawsuits. Yeah. What the fuck does that mean? I think it basically means that the only reason why that we haven't seen footage and we haven't because I'm sure someone has footage of that.

I would not be shocked if Bravo is protecting Marith. just because it's a federal crime what they're accusing her of. Because they're in the air? Yeah, they're in the air. Oh. So I always knew that it was touching and why Meredith's just like,

why they're both saying, Lisa's saying slander, this is slander. Because they know it's never going to come out because Bravo's trying to protect themselves as well. That's a huge liability for Bravo, NBC Universal. For something like that to happen in the air, someone may have been bullied and harassed and maybe...

Well, I mean, Meredith even said it, she was like, it's not true. If it was true, I would have been arrested. Yeah. This is what I think. I think it was pretty outrageous. She probably was buzzed and she probably was very angry. And she probably was like, what's a stupid little twat who's still a friend of talking, why would she bring this up?

She was either told to bring it up or she wanted to bring it up to have the camera on her. It would bother me a lot because, you know, in the end, that whole thing that was about, it was a TikTok. her telling a story in which she had no proof of it. The whole, the real story was, because that girl finally came forward and she goes, I was, it was like a secondhand story. It wasn't someone who said I was driving the Uber. And I saw it myself. What?

Or that she saw it herself. Right. It was like, you know what it was? Oh my God. It was that she read a Reddit, which is no anonymous Reddit that said, I was an Uber driver and Seth had a good. girlfriend in the back seat in Ohio. No proof to

it, no nothing. And for all we know, it could be a producer on the show. I believe that Real Housewife producers are read. The amount of storylines and fights among cast members that have come from them reading Reddit shit,

from someone screen grabbing a Reddit thing and DMing them on Instagram and making them read it and get infuriated because when you read something in writing, whether it's Reddit or anything, and it's not true. It can, I don't, I think that's the biggest thing that screws up people where they go, I had to give up social media. If they were like at least a little bit of a public figure. Yeah. You go down that thing of lies being told about you and it is painful. And you don't know.

It could be your sister writing that. It could be your best friend. It could be your ex-employee. It could be your producer. It could be someone wanting to stir something up on this show. We have no idea. It's anonymous. Yeah. Yeah. People believe it. And all you have to do is put it out. there and people believe it. There's no proof to it. So in the end, it was a girl on Reddit, I mean, a girl on TikTok talking about a Reddit that she read. And that is what Brittany brought up. So it's not true. It's secondhand, secondhand reading. I mean, there's so much about Seth that we see on camera that we can run with. They were honest that they separated and like dated other people. So it was like if at this point she is solid with her marriage and then this happens on the show again,

who knows? But if that is or if that's the image that we have. have our thing going on and it's not true or it is true or I don't know, but I could see why that but even what was being presented was not true. So I could see why she got really pissed. But in doing this, I can also see why producers and Bravo people are like, Meredith is a huge part of the show. Just like Lisa Barlow. They are at the top. They're the more iconic ones. And then we've got the little Brooks on Gen Z or whatever next gen. And then, you know, we're not we're not and if it was a producer that told Brittany to bring this up then we really then we're really just we're not going to address it so Whitney probably got word

of it Whitney's mad at I still don't know why Whitney is mad at Lisa Barlow because when I was at that Kyle White party like they came up to me and they were no they came up to they were talking to Giselle and Whitney and Bronwyn and they were saying beware of Lisa Barlow she'll she'll use things against you and all this other stuff And I still was like, okay, I still don't know what she did to you because I've watched the show. And then Bronwyn, that's when Bronwyn told me, oh, I'm like, how are you doing? You know, this is when we knew they were separated. She's like, oh, great, I've got a 32-year-old boyfriend keeping my bed warm in Montana.

I'm like, what? And I'm just imagining a guy like literally under the covers, like waiting. She's like, I'm like, oh. And she's like, he's a model. I met him during, yeah, I met him during fashion. And we could pair us. And we just really hit it off. And I'm like, does Todd know?

And she's like, no, not right now. And he's being really nice to me. And I would like that to change. And so I'm like, hey, your secret's safe with me. Like, yeah, yeah. I like juicy scoop, but I'm a girl's girl who's, I'm going to side with a woman who's married to the fucking grump from the cartoon up. Kissing him party.

Any day over anybody. Like, I don't need to, I don't break story. I don't need you. I'm not doing what whatever. So but I'm like you're telling me I think you wanted to get it out. Yes. And that happens all the time with housewives. They they are in your DMs or they will send someone else to go in your DMs to spill a story. I'm not like that either. Yeah. I'm not spilling unless I've done some due diligence on the story. But I'm not surprised you went to hoping that you would probably break this. I was just like good for you. I'm like I'm not going to fuck up your money. Like let let Todd think you're getting back together and go. back to Montana and enjoy this dude, maybe you will get back together. Wait, whatever works for you. Listen, every marriage is fucking weird. Everyone has a different agreement. Whatever that is. There's women that have the greatest degree, you know, seem to have the greatest marriage ever, but they have to get on their knees every night and whatever. And they're like, but like what I got for it, hey, whatever works for you. Whatever. Like, I don't care. It's interesting. But that's why

these shows work and why women aren't treated by them because we do like thing. if someone's marriage is worse than ours. So we're like, I like that. I love it. You know, like, I don't know. So. But is the relationship real? I think, okay.

I think, you mean, do you even think they ever boned? You're saying, Rowan and Brandon Good. Because they, the cast member starts talking on the episode that she jokingly said, I, Bronwyn goes, well, every time I do something, I buy something myself. When I went to the Emmys, I got a necklace. when I went to this, I got, I brought myself my earrings. And then she's like, and then I, what did she say?

When she goes, and I got with Brandon, I treated myself to that. And they're like, what did you buy? She's like, Brandon. And so they thought, did this mean that you're really paying him? And now there's a rumor, the rumors about the husbands, that there's a rumor that she paid him $15,000 to fly to San Francisco and hang out with her and be on the show, which you wouldn't have. have to do if it was your real boyfriend. Yeah. Now, if you were screwing a guy and he's like, hey, Ronwin, like, I'm down to bone you and

stuff, but I'm going to miss a job. I'm not paying to fly out there myself. And she was just like, why don't I just give you 15K to make it with your wild and we'll have fun and you get to be on camera? And he's like, cool. Maybe that was it. Well, I've heard. But still, that is an exchange.

I've, yeah, that is an exchange. That is not a real boyfriend. No, you're not paying your boyfriend $15,000. That's dying. I cannot wait three more days to be without you. So I'm going to get on a plan to meet in San Francisco. That's different than thanks for the 15K Zell. Well, I've heard.

I'll be at the hotel. It's so interesting. I'm so glad you told the story about how she came up to you with information. Because she's speaking to a lot of people. And from what I've heard from some sources, that she also revealed to some people that he was upset during filming, that he wasn't getting enough camera time. Brandon.

Yes, Brandon. So I wasn't surprised that she brought him to Mary's son's funeral, which I thought was odd. Like, why are you bringing this new relationship to such a serious thing? And in my speculation, I think you brought it because you thought maybe cameras would be there to film. So I'm... And also carrying the storyline that this is a bigger deal. Because not only is she leaving the 67-year-old grump that ate her cherry, he was a perpetual cheater on her. So when you are a young thing and you marry a guy 27 years older than you with an awful body and an awful personality and he still chooses to cheat.

And he still chooses to cheat on you. It is pretty humiliating. So I think it's good that you got rid of him. But you also want to one up it to the world. Bronwyn is very calculated. I've been saying this since her first time on the show. her first season, she came on the show to get her divorce. Oh, yeah, for sure.

And she's just proven that to me episode after episode after episode. And it's very interesting to me that she's not concerned with Todd taking care of her. She's still living her very lavish lifestyle. And I have my speculations on why. Which is. I think she has more information on Todd in his cheating, philandering ways that might be very damning and damaging to him, allegedly. So I think that's why she's not worried about that. Yeah, finances or them having any sort of issue.

I think she's playing that up for people to feel sorry for her. Yeah. But the Brandon of it all was very interesting because it's very clear. I didn't expect when I saw Brandon on the show that I would have other thoughts. I was like, oh, he's not interested in her at all. I didn't get, I did not get. You didn't see the bad chemistry between the tool. I did not see any chemistry between them at all.

I already knew it wasn't a real relationship, but I didn't expect. He seemed to be more interested in hanging out with the girls as opposed to being on camera than being her man or interested in her. So then when she was on Watcherham's Live, Annie brought it up and she goes, oh, please, that was six boyfriends ago. And he is the poster boy in the new ad called Blue, which is Chloe Kardashian scent.

And he's in the episode because she's like, oh my god, this is the first guy that's like touched me in four years. And by the way, this looks exactly like that those other ads. Yeah, there's nothing special about it. What's that other perfume on that they're always like in white and like blue waters and like grease and it's always like, I know you're talking about. I can't think of the name, but it's nothing original about this at all. Yeah.

And this is like his second job, you know. Yeah. And I mean, good for him. Like good for him, whatever. But they may have, they may have like boned or whatever. and had an agreement, you think he's gay? I don't know. And I don't want to speculate on that.

I don't either. I didn't expect what I saw on the show. I was just like, oh. I think that's always the go-to if you're a model. And there's no proof to it or anything. No, no. But what I definitely don't believe is this was a real relationship. I think it was very, and people have done it all the time.

The Kardashians have done it all the time. I definitely believe it was something to height in his career. But also couldn't a booty call no strings attack? that someone would say that's not a real relationship. So like it could be that they're not declaring their love for each other and they're not talking on the phone for four hours. But the only reason I'm saying this is because very similar to her coming up to you trying to get this story out there. Sources that came to me, it was very similar situation. So so this is coming from a very close source to the situation that he wasn't happy and that this wasn't a real relationship.

Okay. All right. Allegedly. Okay. Good scoop there. Thank you. Real House of Potomac is popping. It's so good. Popping like the cherry blossoms that it is.

It's so good this season. The first thing that's happening, well, let's just talk about the thing I've covered most about this is the Wendy, Professor Wendy, who was like very annoying and I'm not. She's no longer a professor. She's no longer a professor. She's the one who had this horrible thing happened where she was robbed. allegedly. Her house was robbed. And then they realized that some of the things that she put as things that were stolen,

she was wearing in photo shoots. And then they looked into it deeper and FBI got involved, I believe, federal. I don't think they're not FBI. Isn't it a federal thing? No. No. It's insurance fraud? No.

No. I don't think it's federal. The FBI definitely wasn't involved. But the police were definitely involved. Okay, fill in what you know them because maybe I don't want to say the wrong thing. ended up getting a search warrant. This was the day that they were arrested. And apparently at least 15 of the items that they claimed were stolen when they were away in Jamaica with their family and they came back and they were running through the breezeway and all that other stuff.

Apparently 15 of those items. They said people ran through the breezeway to get in? It's a joke. Oh, oh, okay. But she mentions the breezeway talking about, you know, they went up. And so she says, she claims that there were these 15 items that were stolen. And apparently 15, at least 15 of those items were found when the police came and did a search warrant of the home. Oh. So there were at least 15 items. Some of these items, they claim that were stolen. Apparently there were receipts in regards to them being returned a few years ago.

A picture of her wedding ring was, she was on the red carpet, and they were like, this was after the alleged burglary. So from what I've heard during the season, you're seeing it sort of play out right now where it seems like she's trying to blame Eddie for it, why they have separate legal teams. Eddie's her husband. Yeah, Eddie SFO. And it also appears now, what you'll probably see during the season is that they're going to change that because during the actual legal case, they weren't able to get a court date for

Wendy early. So now they're going to be tried together in January. But still with different legal teams. Different legal teams that are working together. Because there's emails from Eddie. Eddie asking. Saying, like what, can you put more? Put more items down?

Put more items down. We're trying to get it up to like $420 something thousand dollars. They never received the $420 something thousand dollars because the alerts were set out there in regards to when they first were making these claims through different insurance companies, not revealing that they were making these claims to different insurance companies. Well, I wonder if the fact that it's almost like an attempted murder, like you get less time for an attempted murder than if you were successful. And so I wonder if because they never did receive the big payout.

Yeah. If that'll help their defense a lot in that. And they also don't have a history of, you know, criminality. They've never been arrested before. Right. So if they were trying or thinking about it and they have kids and they don't have a history. Yeah. And they're, but I mean, the fact that she shows up in the first episode with a brand new G-wagon.

Yeah. And she calls it. Psalms 91. Yes. A religious. Because I believe it. I mean, listen, she's, I remember they're Catholic. They're Nigerian Catholics.

They had the, I remember they had the kids to have a first child communion. So it's just all about it. It's just so disappointing because it was like highly educated. He's a lawyer. Yeah. So now, and now he's going to be a realtor. Yeah. And so it was like, how could he be a realtor?

Well, he hasn't been convicted of any felonies yet. But if he was to be convicted of a felony, then he wouldn't be able to practice real estate, at least in California. And he wouldn't be able to practice being an attorney either. And that's his whole stick in regards to promoting his real estate. can also be your attorney. It's a very interesting move when you have months away. But I mean, you imagine giving him your listing and letting him on free reign of your house for three hours during an open house? Well, here's the thing.

I'm more concerned if I've given you my listing and all of a sudden, oh, I was convicted. I need to leave. You know what I mean? Like, why would you get into real estate? I think it's part of their storyline this season. But one of the things that I've heard allegedly, a lot of my tea has been confirmed this season already. It's only episode two, including Giselle in this week's episode. calling Wendy a scammer.

What we're going to see during the season is them not wanting to talk about this. Wendy and Eddie. Yeah, not wanting to talk about their case, understandably. Right, I'm sure. And the lawyers are like, please shut up, yeah. But they're doing a reality show.

And all the ladies are like, you're pretending like everything is okay. What's going on with this case? We have to talk about it. You're coming back to see what's going on with this. I heard, allegedly, that she went to production in the network and saying that they cannot talk about my case.

Because you see at the top of the season, Giselle is bringing this up and talking about this. And again, called her a scammer, which we saw in the second episode. So after that, after she finds out about that, she's like, we cannot talk about my case. This is, I have children. And so everyone this season is walking on eggshells about her case, understandably, like I said. And what is the Grand Dame who did significant time? Significant?

How long was it, nine months? I guess we're at half-wife. I don't want to spend nine months in prison for the DUI. Same. Same. So is she on Wendy's ass or is she being sympathetic to Wendy, being that she also had crime? She is, I think for the rest of the season, you'll see her being a little more sympathetic. In this second, this week's episode, you're seeing her go up against Wendy in regards to some of the things she said at the reunion.

Because Wendy doesn't see it for her because Wendy claims that she was there for Karen during her legal case. and she doesn't feel that Karen afforded her the same. She just told her to shut the F up at the reunion and Karen is spinning it as well. I only told you that to prevent you from saying anything that might hurt your case because of my experience. I don't believe that, but fine. And then this other girl, Tia. Tia Glover. So is she in this photo?

No, she's over there. Yeah, yeah. So they present, they meet her on the first episode. and Stacy, who is now back with her ex-husband, they're forming their family together, but she was accused of hiring a boyfriend and paying a boyfriend. Yeah, TJ who worked with her at QBC and that she needed a storyline and hired a boyfriend.

And she, like Elizabeth Holmes, was just like, I don't know what you're talking about, Andy. That is not true. This is not true. It's just not true. And she's like, you know what, you lie long enough? people move along. That's true.

They move along, you know. And she's a fan fave now. Yeah. And so she's like, well, and then she goes, well, I'm not going to enjoy what I'm going to say to you, Tia. But several of us have received the DMs of your husband being on heterosexual, because it would be juicy. We don't know that. We don't know that. And that's one thing that I said during my recap.

I'm like, we don't know what website. Was it Grindr? I need to see the photos myself. It could be, though. I'm not alleging anything. So he uses his own name, his own face and to meet women and he claims to be single.

And she asks her all that and she's like, yes, that's all it. So what do we know about that? This is insane. So you're on high... This girl was on last season. So your wife is already... She's on a reality show.

Yeah. And you're on a dating website. On Rhode Island, their infidelity thing was that the podiatrist had this mistress all these years and then the girl got on the reality show and he's like oh fuck

but this one is like you're currently on a reality show and he's like yeah I'm just gonna go get on this dating site like this is insane funny not funny but the interesting thing that we find out in the second episode

this week is the fact that this wasn't the first time that she's caught him on a dating website so this is not the first time and so it is real it's not someone posing he admits

He admits in the episode that he definitely was on a dating website. And then we just have to watch her be like, these bitches try to ruin my life as storyline again? And these new interviews, she's blaming Stacey for bringing it to camera, but we saw it was Ashley. Ashley went down to the reality rundown event and was gleeful in revealing this information.

Yeah, it was already, yeah, she had her drag brunch moment. Tia's insistent that Stacey wanted to bring this to camera. I'm sure she did. but your friends, Giselle and Ashley, were also bringing it to camera. They brought it up during the OG lunch with Karen.

They're making faces about this. It's like, listen, if you have juice like that, that is not just privy to you. It's one thing if two people went, off camera, went on a hike and was really like, no cameras around.

It didn't come from multiple Bravo content creators talking about it. And you really did. run to the producer or get on camera and reveal, which some housewives have done that. And that really truly is like a betrayal. But everything more than that is fair game.

You're on a reality show. It's out there anyway. You're doing your job. Especially as a married woman, would you want a friend to come to you with that information? Because, you know, sometimes it puts you in a very precarious position. Like, the friend might not believe you and be mad at you and end the friendship. Do I, wait, so do I want my...

If you had a friend that was in Giselle's position that finds out this information... Giselle or Stacey? I thought it was, wait. Well, Giselle was the one who got the information too. Stacey and Giselle got the information. And Tia's mad at Giselle because Giselle did not bring the information as her friend to her. Yeah, I mean, I think you've got to... If she's really your friend, but they all hate each other on these shows.

And they all are tit for tat and someone screwed her over. But no, I think something. like that, I would be like, I'd be like, this is what's out there. Other girls know, it's probably going to be brought on camera. So you can get ahead of it or you can wait for the bomb to drop at a dinner. That's what I would tell them. Yeah. But apparently Tia is more upset at Stacey for, I guess she says that more will come out during the season in regards to Stacey's involvement. But I feel like you're more mad at Stacey than you are at your own husband. And it's the second time doing it. Like it's one thing to cheat. Okay. It's like, you know,

know, there's couples that have like a don't ask, don't tell policy, you know, or as long as it's not in the house, or you're a professional football player, so as long as it's on the road, fine, but you don't have babies with anybody but me, whatever people have, whatever people have their agreement. Yeah, they have their things, their rules. But to go on, know it, every person that gets matched with you is going to see you, and there's a lot of women that watch the show. Yeah.

Yeah. But apparently, apparently he was on. this dating website and he never met anyone. I heard a great story that, okay, so from somebody after the news came out about Doreet and P.K. breaking up. So this is a once removed story, okay? Okay. A friend of mine went to New York to visit her friend.

And when she got there, that girlfriend was talking to P.K. Before it was announced that they were broken out. Okay. And she, that friend, doesn't watch housewives, had no idea who he was. And it is my friend's opinion that he was hitting on her, pursuing her, asking her to join them for dinner. Now, it could be, yeah, we weren't in a great place. Maybe he's trying to get her in the sack. Maybe he just wanted to talk to a cute girl for the night.

I don't know, whatever. Some people are social and doesn't lead to anything else. but there is a case where I think a lot of these guys are so stupid that they don't realize that they're pretty famous by association because their wife's on the show. Yeah. And women that watch the show are dying for those gotcha moments with like, I mean. Especially if they don't have anything going on. Justelle has nothing going on. If you had like a secret girlfriend or if you like picked up a chick in Vegas or on a work trip or something.

something, that's like one thing, but to actually put your face on the internet to be chosen and matched up with. Yeah. Like, yeah. I mean, maybe she's like acting all mad, but she also wants to divorce his ass and it's like they don't have chemistry on camera. It's sort of, it's a weird relationship and clearly they've had their issues. My biggest question to Tia would be, she revealed this last season was the fact that he's

from Chicago. They've been together almost 30 years. She's never been to his hometown. of Chicago. You don't find that weird, especially because it's Chicago. It's not bumble, knuck, you know, middle of America. It's Chicago. Good food, good living.

Like, you've never gone to visit any of his family there? She probably knows. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just look, there's a notification. Oh. What does that say, though? I don't know.

Our... Wait, hold on. It's about recording. It's about our recording later today. It's a calendar reminder. Okay, we're almost done. So that's fine. Well, I mean, I don't know.

Can't you just not, can't just be on our faces during that time? Can we ask her to make sure? Yeah, because I think it's like free edited. Okay, I don't know what to do. I mean. Okay. It wasn't very revealing. I think it's fine.

No, okay. I don't care. I don't care that it's there. Let them talk about it. Get another comment. Okay. Wait, hold on. You were just saying, okay.

So she never went to its hometown in Chicago. Never. Okay. In 30 years. All right. I'll tell you what I think is super interesting. Okay. If we're going to go over to, I just want to go over to Real Housewives of O.C.

When I interviewed Emily a few years ago, probably like four or five years ago, I was like, so your husband's Mormon. And I'm like, are the kids being raised Mormon? Are you talking? And she's like, you know, we've never talked about that. And I was like, what? And then like, the next season, the storyline was Annabel wants to be Mormon.

And then like, she got baptized or something. But they've never like brought it up since. And I was like, how do you not talk about a religion? And a religion that's like very specific and has very specific rules. It's not just like,

well, I was raised Baptist and he was raised Lutheran or something where it's like adjacent kind of like. Yeah. It was just kind of, I was like, what? Hmm. Very weird. Very weird.

Oh, and speaking of that, what about, okay, the last episode of Real House of O's C in Japan, she's like, oh, my God, look how funny. Look what Annabelle just sent me. She's like, which thing is dad watching on YouTube? Because it was like his YouTube history. And it was like funny pranks or how to please a woman in bed. Did you see that? No.

Yeah. And she's like, ha, ha, ha, ha. And everyone's like, well, at least he's doing his homework. And I'm like, okay, you just said you guys sleep separately. Yeah. That you're in the worst part of your marriage. But three episodes back, you said you had sex twice in one day. I don't think someone that's been married for 17 years is suddenly going, you know what I'd like to do?

I'd like to know how to go down on my wife better after I'm billed with resentment that she's in Japan and I'm with these fucking kids. I'm pissed off. I hate that she's thin and gorgeous and having a blast. And I steal him like a bitter old thing. I'm like, is that not the biggest clue? Like that maybe he's dating someone else? I thought that was so crazy. So you think that he's cheating.

I don't, I don't. I mean, it's very possible. I'm not saying he is, but I don't think I would immediately go, oh my God, my husband is so wonderful. He, after all these years, wants to learn new skills. I think because it's what triggered me in this instance was that they're creating another storyline it sounds like it's a storyline because she obviously is like he's not cheating on me this is a storyline she didn't say cheating she I don't know I have to watch it back but I think she was like isn't that funny and they it was like it was like good for you Shane instead of but if they had

real marriage trouble wouldn't that be like your first instance like why is he looking that up right exactly but they're acting like we have marriage trouble so isn't that nice and he's looking it up to please me. It's not real. After 17 years. It's not real. And this is why people can't stand, Emily. This is exactly why people can't.

I liked, I liked, I liked, past tense, liked her on the show, especially her relationship with Gina because I feel like it's real. But these last couple of seasons, it's definitely giving, especially this season, people are not watching. People are very upset with this new season of OC.

It's so boring. This is my conspiracy theory. I think they didn't want to shake things up for season 20 because they wanted to celebrate the 20th anniversary of housewives, so they didn't want to shake things up. Do you think it's also a send off goodbye? Yeah. Well, I don't think permanently.

This is a moneymaker for them. Right. This is a moneymaker for them. So I don't see them. They might do what they do with New Jersey. Yeah, but it takes two years to do that. They're not going to celebrate 20 years on year 22. No, no, I'm saying after this.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Kind of have a real shakeup. Yeah. Like which three can, like, be the anchors and then bring in, like, a whole new crew. Yeah. that then can live their lives and divorces and remarriages for the next 20 years. Exactly. You know what I mean?

Like it's kind of like a 20-year gig. Yeah. Like you kind of want to get someone like 35 to, you know, how them go. This is what they're doing. They're trying to skew younger. And they're just, and because when they all started, they were all like 40. Yeah. So you get those like ripe years of like, where are we now?

The kids are a little older, you know, whatever. But going back to and then we're finished New York, Real House House in New York, had the moment where Sy, they start talking, well, really Carol brings it up. Carol's like, oh my God. Carol definitely brought it. She was itching to bring it up. She kept on giving a little Easter eggs.

She was trying to cue everyone, like a producer. Yeah. To talk about the Epstein of it all. She's like, oh, everyone's, you know, if you look at my Google, she gets on bringing it up. Well, you know, I had her come on my show. Let me see. It would have been after 2020.

I think I'll I think I'm going to share this episode of the Carol episode maybe on Patreon or something because it is really interesting because I the whole story came out on Juicy Scoop about how she went to London she didn't want to be in New York for Christmas

while you know the first year after her husband passing she went to London by herself a mutual friend of theirs got a hold of I call it Gis Lane she calls her Jeline or Jalain I don't know how the fuck to still say this horrible. I call her Gislaid. Okay?

That's her name. To me Gisley. And Gislein's like, oh, hi. You know, like, you know, Prince Andrew would love to like take you to dinner. And at the time he was single, and they went to dinner in like a ballet. Nothing romantic happened. And she said then, maybe not in that interview, but later on when we talk, she said, I know that maybe right around when she was about to film this or before she filmed it.

and it was all coming out again that she was in the Epstein Fowles. We got on the phone and she said she would never be interested in Carol de Boulco or whatever. And whatever her last name is, I go, who's that? She goes, that's my maiden name. And I go, oh, I didn't even know that. And she was the point is she was a social climber. And I knew that. I knew there are people that in New York, especially that wanted to get to know me or be my friend because of the connections to the Kennedys and everything.

And so then, you know, and she is right. When you're a woman, people are friends. You're in a friend group for a few years, and it kind of fades off. Sometimes it's through school, sometimes it's through friends, other society. This is something I talked about in my interview with Kritsilkung Minkoff. Yes. Okay. Where she was talking about her 14 friends, which we find out it's not really 14 friends.

And she recently revealed that she ran into them. So I would love to pick your brain on, especially because you're in these circles here in L.A. When it comes to friend groups and things like that. Because she basically said they tried to ruin her because she got the gig on. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. This is what I think happened. I think it can be a very shallow thing. And there are groups of women that go and they form the group and you want to be part

of the group and there's fancy lunches and it's a birthday every month and all this stuff and all these things. And I think she was part of one of those things. And I think throughout the years, several of them were probably reached out to maybe be on housewives. And this is my opinion. Yeah. I think she shit-talked housewives. I think she shit-talked housewives said I would never do it. It's so tacky. My husband's a major, my husband produced Lion King. Like I know I wouldn't do that. But then when they reached out to her, she got wet. And she was like, yeah, I want to fucking be a star. Like, why wouldn't I want to be?

Like, why the hell not? Sounds fun to me. So then when she got it, they were like, what a fucking hypocrite and that's why I think they were like pissed and jealous but does that justify them saying she said things about other people in the group that may not have been true because that's what she claims I mean we didn't read what those things were in page six so whatever it was was within their insular thing of non-famous people but that are rich and probably have been tapped over you know when you're in this I'm sure so many people have been hey are you interested or maybe one interview and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe they get one interview and the husband's like, hell no.

And so I think. And that's where she says it begins. She says the one friend that really started all of this, Bravo definitely were interested in her, however her husband wouldn't let her do it. So then she, that woman's jealous, totally jealous that Crystal did it. Crystal had every right to say yes. And if Crystal changed her mind, fine. And if Crystal shit talked and made fun of some girl that was up for that didn't get it

and then she got it and looks hypercritical, they have a real. they have a right to go, you're hypocritical. Yeah. Like, but I can see also why walking into a party and seeing all those women being embarrassed. And also during that time, people were like, who loses 14 friends? Like, maybe you are like an annoying loser. Like, I mean. But she says it wasn't actually 14 friends.

It was like seven. You know, and you can also like change schools and find other friends. And now, you know, she was on the biggest show, housewives. She still is able to. to keep that herself in the limelight. She's really nice. She had a huge business that they wouldn't let her promote when she started the show or even let us be aware of.

So they painted her out the first year to be some like geisha girl. We're like, what are you talking about? Like she met him as a college graduate. They've been married 20 years. So I, when she came up on my show, I liked revealing like, wow, that wasn't true. Like you're very down to earth, very normal.

Yeah. She was a very easy interview. I'm sure you interviewed a lot of people. but it's like, some people are like hard to interview, but she was very easy. I think she's like a completely nice, normal person. I think what happened to her happens not to a lot of people because there was the element of fame. Yeah. In normal group settings or whatever, people just kind of like ghost people away.

In real life with real women, you know, maybe you don't get invited to one thing or you can't go on. People are like, you know what, can we just keep it to the four of us? That was actually more fun. She kind of dominates. And then all of a sudden, that person's off. And then you're like, I got kicked out of the party, like the Hillary Duff situation, whatever. Oh, yeah. And it's like sometimes it's not that huge.

And sometimes you're the one that wasn't organizing a shit. And you're the one that wasn't starting the group texts. And so now you're, it keeps being more and more distancy. And now you're not in the group that you once for five years ago. Yeah. I mean. I think it's a life lesson when it comes to friendships and the depth of friendships. I'm a strong believer.

You don't need that many friends. I don't need 14 close super friends. Or even seven. If you have one good friend, that is enough. I think sometimes when you have these large groups of friends, things like this happen, especially when you add the element of fame. Right. And just to conclude, I thought Sy's attack on Carol flopped.

You think? I do. I don't think so. I do because I feel like she kept coming at her. And she's like, really? You haven't been to the Epstein Island? I'm like, what? First of all, women like Carol, okay, were not invited to the Epstein Island, okay?

She's too old. She's too old. No. You know, could you even invite you a dinner? I think Syde did the job of what producers wanted her to do and what the audience wanted to hear. I mean, I wonder if that's why they even asked Carol back, though. I think Carol's a great. I think Carol is smart and witty and kind of how.

helps keep it going along and is a single woman. And she was upgraded. Remember, she was supposed to be a friend. Yeah, I think she's great TV. And I think she's down to be there again. And I think it was good that she addressed it that way. And I don't think there's anything, there isn't anything criminal about it. I originally didn't think anything of Carol and the Epstein of it all.

I knew, you know, there are a lot of famous people's names that were being thrown out there. So, I mean, she met, she met Gilein. They were friends. They were in a social circle. they wrote some emails and she the one email that Gilein whatever wrote to her was like being cheeky about like you're my favorite

person but I might find a new favorite friend like oh ha ha whatever. What about the framed picture? The framed picture is she took a photo of Wait what do you mean frame? There's a framed picture in one of the pictures in the Epstein files of just Carol and it's not even the photo that she took for

her book. Oh it was in her room? It was in one of the rooms over there. I mean it could be that she was happy to have a famous friend. But I mean, she did take a photo of her. And then I think Carol just was like, and they were like, you need an author photo. And then she was like, actually, I just really like this one. Like, I don't want to do

a whole photo shoot and gave her photo credit. I really think it was like... But I would say, I didn't think anything of it until I saw Carol explain it on Real Housewives of New York. And it's like, you're really downplaying this friendship. Yeah. And now I'm starting to look at you a little suspiciously about how she downplayed the level of friendship. I'm not saying they were super

close her best friends, but she really made it seem like she wasn't my friend. She was like a social climber. That was it. So it kind of made me look at Carol a little differently in regards to it all. At first, I didn't think anything about it. And hopefully Carol can come back and just someone who's like, talked on the phone. She's been in the comment section. Who's been on the phone with her for, and really, and I really asked all the questions because I know a lot about the Epstein stuff. And I was fascinating. And I also remember the day that Chelsea came back from New York, Chelsea Handler, and said, I went to the weirdest fucking thing. And I went to the weirdest fucking thing at Jeffrey Epstein's house and talked about the dinner and that Katie Kirk invited her.

And I'm like, Epstein, like the guy that this is after he did the time like the weekend prison, but he was back living in New York having socialite events and people were going. And but no, she didn't hang out with him again. No, she didn't go to the island. No. But was she at that dinner? Yeah. And she's never lied about it.

So it's like I, you know, I get that part too. Hence why I never really thought anything of it when they said that Carol. was in the Epstein files because there were a lot of people that are in Epstein files that did nothing. However, it was that scene and them talking about

that made you kind of like, okay, so why are you downplaying this so much? It felt a little off to me and it kind of made me go like, hmm, maybe. Well, I mean, of course, but I'm not mad at Sai. Of course you got to think,

you got to think about it when it's out and you're on TV show, you've got to kind of think, okay. Carol should send Sai a gift basket because she clearly wanted to bring it up.

So, Sy was there to answer, ask you all the questions. that people have been asking on social media. You're right. And that preview that they give us in regards to when she's on the street, and they're like, Epstein files, I believe production added that in. No one in New York is doing that. No one cares.

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