Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Emmy Award Winning Writer, Jamie Lee on Brad Pitt’s New Life & Runway Secrets

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

I am so thrilled to be joined on today's Juicy Scoop by the hilarious Jamie Lee! She is an Emmy winning writer for the hit show Ted Lasso, and you also know her incredible work as an actress and writer on Crashing and so many other amazing projects. Today, Jamie is here to dive into her latest one-woman show, where she investigates the surprising death of a friend from when she was 20 years old and sets out to solve the mystery of what actually happened. Plus, we are getting into the future of television writing and how AI might impact the industry, breaking down the drama surrounding Brad Pitt’s kids dropping his last name (and whether he'll start a new family with his younger girlfriend), and dissecting why celebrities weren't allowed to wear heels on the runway at the Sports Illustrated fashion show. Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠https://heathermcdonald.net/⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://www.patreon.com/cw/juicyscoop⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopTZFUvAeokrJJ6dQ5wuAW1T3nssO6pHk47u7KymJUBtBgKCvfX⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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When you're on the road, when you're on the go. Juicy Scoot is the show to know. She talks Hollywood Tales. real life, Mr. Segment, serial data, and serial sister, you'll be addicted and addicted. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. We are going to have such a great show. I have a return guest from many, many years back. We're trying to figure out when the first time she came on, writer, producer, actress, author, one woman's show, comedian, beautiful girl, second marriage.

So that says a lot. Two people wanted to marry you. welcome back Jamie Lee. Thank you for having me. Oh my gosh. So when you came on years ago, you had a book coming out called Ridiculous. Ridiculous.

That was all kind of like your funny stories of getting... Of wedding planning. Of wedding planning and all that. And then also I enjoyed you on crashing. Thank you. Where you wrote and appeared on that show, which was very a real perspective of the most realistic like stand-up life, stand-up comedy life that I've seen. scene in a show. I think so too. I feel like we did a good job. But you've been killing it.

Since you appeared on Juicy Scoop, your life really took off. You, here you are from a couple years ago that you've won many Emmys for Ted Lassow. Yes. Where you wrote your writer on that and an executive producer. Now I'm an executive producer. I started, I think, as a producer. That's amazing. That is amazing. Thank you. But you were first just complimentering me. Oh, yes. about my spray tan. Well, I said, I don't have a spray tan. Which is shocking.

Because you have the most gorgeous, I have to say, for the listeners, the most gorgeous even glow. That's the key. Your face matches your legs. I don't see that. Normally the face is a different color. Well, I'll tell you, I have been promoting Jurgenself Tanner for like 15 years. We have reached out.

They have said she is not our demographic. We don't want to work with her. criminal. And Juergens, if that was someone that wrote back that wasn't you, I still love your product. I mean, come on. Look at her. I still like, like, even if you don't want me, I still, I won't, I won't be like that. You're being really generous and cool. But if Juergens wants to come around or if somebody else wants to go, Heather, give us a try. I will try someone else because I do get a lot of compliments on what. going on how am I so tan whatever I use sunscreen and then I use you know the stuff can we talk about the application are we adding yes I'll talk about the application so um are we getting it so streak free

exfoliate sure and then you put it on after your shower and it builds and then like after like five or seven days exfoliate again start over and there never is that streaking I mean are you putting it on your face? I do put it on my face once in a while. Like every few days I'll put just a little bit on my face. Oh my God. It's incredible. Well, thank you. And I love that you're a pro exfoliation because I feel like when I get a spray tan, they're like, don't exfoliate or it'll go away. And then I'm like, but I want to exfoliate, which is why I don't get spray tans because I don't like to not, like scrubbing off my dead skin cells. It's like one of my greatest pleasures in life. I think if you wanted to build a little weight, you know, a few showers in between. Don't do it every shower.

Sure, sure, sure. But then, yeah, then you can start over. And it's still like in your skin. You're still not like white as can be. It's incredible. Well, thanks for nothing, Juergens. Anyway, you've won Emmys for being an executive producer and writer on Ted Lassov. So you've got so much going on.

I want to get into so many things. But then really we're here to talk about a juicy crime story that is so. up my alley, you have a one woman show that people can go see. The tour is beginning. My friend Katie, about a friend of yours in college who mysteriously died. Yes. Let's talk about that first. Great. And then let's get back into all the other things you've done in a career, which I think will be very juicy. Then we'll get into the Hollywood hot topics. But I want to hear about this and how you came about to pursue this. Right. So my best friend, Katie, she suddenly and mysteriously passed away when I was in college. Was she in college with you? She was two years younger than me,

so she was still in high school. Okay. Or maybe, yeah, yeah, towards the end of high school for her. And yeah, it was just completely a surprise, a shock, completely confounding. What did they say it was? Well, that was the thing is that they never really said. And there was one thing in her, not eulogy, what's the word? Obituary. Thank you. Obituary. I call it the obituary in the show. But yeah, there was a thing in her obituary that said she struggled with nephrodite syndrome. And I, so that is an issue where proteins leak from your kidneys, I believe. I think that is the definition. But more importantly, I feel. I feel. found out that you don't die from nephrodic syndrome and also Katie never mentioned having any kidney issues of any kind. So it was always this red flag, definitely sent off alarm bells. But I was in college, you know, I was like going out and like partying with my friends. So I kind of wasn't processing what had happened. I was just kind of like pushing it deep down. Oh, yeah.

I spoke at the funeral. I ended up saying at the funeral like in front of everybody, this is so fucked up that we're here right now. I was so angry and yeah, it was definitely like not my proudest moment, but I didn't really know what to say because I was in such shock. And then I really kind of just pushed it down and tried to like chug along in life. And then when my dad died in 2021, I had this sort of reckoning where I was like, wait, I know how my dad died of a heart attack. But the last person I lost who was close to me, I don't know how she died. So it kind of sent me into the spiral where I was like, I need to get to the bottom of this because, like, I am not healed from what happened to Katie. And so I took it upon myself to launch an amateur investigation into what happened to her.

And I was interviewing people and cold calling. And it was a true journey. I just kind of stumbled into it. I never was like, this is going to be a show. I, you know, but then the nature of it is that I'm a comedian and I'm a writer. So I kind of was like, wait, like this is actually like a really big sort of like narrative in my life right now. And so it started to take shape as sort of like a documentary project mixed with stand up. And now it's like a proper stage show where I do throw to some of those pieces of interview during the show. So you see like. Oh,

so there's like a visual. I don't have visuals in the show, but I have audio. And I spoke to this person. and then I throw it to the clip. Because if I was thought about doing the, probably if and when it releases as a special, there will be visual doc footage cut in. But for the stage show, I kind of felt like going from video to me on stage was like a little distracting.

So I just minimized it with the audio. When you started to go down the journey, were you like, because you're a successful person in this business, were you thinking like, do I get some camera people to follow me around? Do I start to do my own mini doc? Yeah, immediately.

I knew it's the first thing I've ever worked on where I really did not know what the outcome was. I just felt super compelled to do it. So I found this guy, Alex Hammer. He's a brilliant director, filmmaker, and he had made Amy Schumer's three-part documentary series for HBO called Expecting Amy. I saw Expecting Amy. I'm loving it. And I go, who made this with her? And it was Alex Hammer.

Find out we're wrapped by the same agency. I talk to my agents. I go, I want to get this guy involved. I don't know if he would want to come on board. but I think I have this like nugget of an idea. And he was in from jump. He was like, I'm here. Like, let's do this.

So then I had him to turn to. And if he couldn't be there to film, because a lot of this was in Texas and he was in New York, he would like send someone out that he knew to come film with me. And we just collected so much footage. We had no, we weren't editing anything at that point. It was just like footage, footage, chasing leads.

I mean, like I was fully, you know, And of course, the show is a comedy, like, because I'm not an FBI agent. I don't know what the hell I'm doing. So it's like, so you're doing the stage show, which we don't want to give it away. We want people to go. Yes, please come see it. But then if this works out, then the footage that you have and everything could be made into. Yeah, I think it's going to be mixed.

So it'll probably throw, it'll be like stage, like stand up special. I wanted to sort of be like an hour and a half long, like kind of a stand. I'm calling it like a standup movie. movie, essentially, where we use what we found in the field to support the narrative I'm telling on stage. I think that's so interesting because it's like I do feel like there's always those times, you know, like back in the day, like the old movies, you know, it would be like they go to the library and they're doing the thing.

And all of a sudden they see the microfiche. Yeah, they think microfiche and all this day they were like, what? Her whole family burned in a fire. Yeah. What? You know, like, and you're always, sometimes you're like doing that and you're like, why isn't a a camera following me? like I'm discovering something like weird.

And in this world of the last 10 years, thanks to streaming services, we're able to see all these documentaries. I always said like, when I'd be like watching the Oscars as a kid, I'd be like, where do I see a short? Where do I see a documentary? I know.

Where did anybody see these? Right. Now we all see them. And now I'm like, this didn't need to be three episodes, okay? Well, that is, I don't need to see this drone shot again. I always was joking that there's always like the bare seat.

and then the person comes in. Oh God, the bare seat. So are we doing this now? Oh my God. Checking their mic. Yeah. Oh, my God. Stop it right.

So I started watching this one yesterday that's on HBO Max called Benjamin Kyle. And it's about this guy who was found behind a naked. He was like naked and they said beat up behind like a Burger King place or something. and he has no memory complete no memory of anybody from the last 20 years and so this young kid starts documenting it then this other woman gets involved and it's like three parts and you know I saw a couple TikToks on it where I'm like right away I'm like okay I already kind of know the ending so let me just stop because I want to enjoy it sure and I'm just like I think I will probably like this fast forward get to it because, but then I'm like reading the comments and people are like, I can't believe it

ended that way. So I'm, I don't know. Interesting. But it's like, but I, but what's interesting is that these things go on for like 10 years. And I was always wondering like, who is funding the 10 year long documentary? No, but I'm really asking. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not quite, to be honest, because Alex really took this on, took on my documentaries sort of just being like, well, if we make money on the back end, great. But I mean, I guess that's a lot of it. Or are you. make money off the last one, almost like flipping a house. Yeah. You got to take the money from the last one to like fix this one. Yeah. Right. I mean, also with us, I think Alex got really invested just in the story and we really were not sure like where it was gonna go.

And, you know, it's kind of like this weird meta thing where I was like, I've always been a fan of true crime. Now I'm kind of like, I have a joke where I was like, as a white woman, you just get to be in one. Like I just was like, I'm just suddenly in one. And then a lot of the show is talking about like the genre of true crime and like what it feels like and like how it's exploitive but also it can also help a lot of people and I mean I always I think that the joke of white women being so obsessed with it as I have been hence why I have the show juicy crimes and I always talk about what's juicy is that I feel like like the minute the the time I really like would I mean I always was into it but I think the reason women are into it because it's like the stories of like this could have this could happen to me.

Yes. So it's like my cute husband could turn out to be a family annihilator or cheating or I could be the one that could go off cheating with some guy who's a weirdo and then he kills my husband and now I'm on trial for it. And I really didn't know whatever the case. Like it's those kind of things where you're like, we, you know, we can be victims of this. Like, yes. So I think that's. It feels so tangible. Yeah, fascinating. And also just our ability to like find things, whether you're looking up a boyfriend or whatever, we just have a desire to do that where guys are like, oh, okay, I guess we'll never know.

We're always digging. Yeah, like, I guess we're like little gophers in the dirt, just like scratching away. Yeah. Well, this is amazing. Thank you. That this is happening in June. Yes, it's June. I can say the dates.

I'm performing it June 4th in Philadelphia, June 11th in Washington, D.C., June 13th in Boston, 16th in New York at Joe's Pub, which is the lovely flyer. And then the 25th in Los Angeles, a dynasty typewriter. Those are our June dates. Awesome. June 25th. Yeah, come. In L.A.

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Okay, so now, let's get you some other things. Yes. Okay, so when I met you, it was leading towards this big wedding. Yeah, yeah. Now, what happened to the husband? Yeah. What happened to the marriage? Yeah, I wrote a book about my wedding planning process called Wadiculous,

which was then turned into a show for Netflix called The Wedding Coach. And what was that like? That was so fun. I was basically like going in. It was sort of like queer eye, but for weddings. I was like going in and helping people who are struggling during their wedding. just with like little stuff like the cake or what it was more like oh this person's like not getting along with their mother-in-law like someone needs to intervene and in any of those cases which were

cast and stuff but real people real people were you like these people should not get married not really um there was one couple that didn't and i did feel like that was for the best yeah yeah like it actually ended up being um it ended up being kind of like a relief because i felt like not that i was like don't they shouldn't get married it was more just like i don't know i think i don't know i think they're good as a couple, but I don't know if they're ready for like that next. Yeah. Yeah. And so what happened with you? Yeah. And then we separated during the pandemic. And I was living in L.A. and I kind of fled to New York on my own.

This was when like you couldn't hang out with anybody. It was freezing cold. This was like in November. And so I was kind of just like in New York kind of just chilling. And I did not think like I'm ever going to like. get married again or anything, but I ended up basically going on one date. While you're separated. Yeah. And that is now my husband. But did you think while you're separated that there was a chance you'd get back together or you got separated and you're like, weirdly, I don't miss this person? I thought there was a small chance, but I kind of knew I just needed to like,

the cycle that we were in of fighting, but sticking it out, fighting, sticking it out, I was like, there is part of me that misses him. It wasn't like as simple as just like, bye. Like I definitely was like, you know, he was like my family, like especially during the pandemic. We're spending every second together. So yeah, I think it was like a big adjustment just to like my lifestyle.

Like just being alone in a space was strange. And then, yeah, but then I met this guy. and in no world did I ever think that he would be my boyfriend, let alone, like, even we'd go on more than one date. Like I had the lowest expectations. Also, I was a freak on our first date. I felt so weird. I felt so guilty.

I was like, I shouldn't be doing this. And, yeah. And then we kind of just kept seeing each other. And then I was like, I don't really want to date anyone else. And then we ended up getting married. So then how did you tell husband number one? Just for the listeners. We got married much later.

It wasn't like I just stepped into another marriage right away. So how did you tell your husband that you're separated from? Like, actually, I want to file and I hope this can be, you know, okay. Yeah, I think it, well, there was one conversation where he was, he, I remember being like, I'm not coming back to L.A. I'm going to stay in New York for a while. And that ended with him hanging up on me. And then we had another conversation.

I remember this all, I was like, standing on a street corner in Soho. I remember where I was talking to him about this. But I was like, aren't you so much happier? Like I remember saying that. I was like, I feel, I feel good. I definitely like miss aspects of us. But like, don't you feel better? Like, doesn't it feel like a little bit of like toxicity has been taken away? And he did not disagree. And I was like, okay, that feels like a good first step into us realizing that maybe this should not. continue. So how many years from actually getting married to separating was it? We were together for 10 years and we were married for four. Oh, that's a long time. Yeah, we were together a long time.

Like all of my 30s. So like 10 total or 14? Oh, sorry, 10 total. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, I mean. I think that's also interesting too when someone, when you've been together for like, you know, five, six years and you're at that age. And it's just the next step. You date it for two. You lived for two. That's really what happens. Everybody's getting married. Everyone's like, are we going to do it? And he's like, let me just find the ring.

And then da, da, da, da, and then you're like, well. And then it's all over with and you're kind of like, hmm. Sometimes that's why I think sometimes, like if a guy or girl meets somebody that you want to make, like you need to like lock it down quick. I don't know. It seems like something like happens in the long thing. It just like loses its luster.

I don't know. But then someone would say, no, it's better. Listen, you know what? It is what it is. If marriage is something you want or a kid or whatever, whatever works for you. There's no formula that works. Every couple is different. Totally.

But I do feel like I knew I wanted, well, I wasn't 100% sure that I wanted kids, but I knew if I want kids, I don't think that my ex and I are going to have kids together. So I think I also felt a pressure to. go at that point because I was like, fertility is playing a part in this. And like I, I have to like make a choice at some point. Like, am I staying in this or am I going to? Right. You don't want to have a child with someone and then have to do that. Right. Do all that. Let's just thank God for that. And with your new husband, is he in the business? He's not. No, he's in cybersecurity. Oh, that's good. It comes from an intelligence background. Okay. Speaks Arabic, lived in Saudi Arabia for a couple

years. Oh, wow. Yeah, really like very, very different line of work. Oh, okay. Cool. And then you guys are trying. Yeah. So we froze embryo. Well, it's really interesting because when you meet someone in your late 30s and you maybe even slightly want children, I was like, we got to get on this. Yeah. So pretty soon into us being together, I was like, yeah, like, we're not using cond. I was like, I mean, like, let's just take our shot here. Then I didn't get pregnant. Okay. And then we launched into just like years of, insane IVF and finally froze some embryos, but not too many. So we did another round. And then now we've gotten to the stage where we have a surrogate. We actually just closed legal on that yesterday. And now it's in the zone where like whenever her cycle sinks up, we're going to do an embryo

transfer. But it was such a long road to get here because we had several surrogates fall through for various reasons. And I never knew how hard it was to find a surrogate. Maybe other people haven't had this experience, but for me, really like... Hard through the agency or one that you feel comfortable with? It was both. Well, first we were with like an agency that I definitely did not trust, even though they had someone for us. I was like, various reasons. I was like, I don't think we should be giving these people our money. Yeah. And so we backed out of that on our own. And then with the new agency who I love, they had paired us with someone. And unfortunately, medically, she was not viable.

Now it took like seven months to learn that because everything was tracking in the right direction. And then at the last minute. So she had never done it before? Never done it before. Which is also why it took so long because she had to make her contract from scratch. Right. Because now our surrogate has been a surrogate before. So all of her legal was pretty much locked down.

She's been through this. She knows what her terms are. Yeah. And so it was just so much faster. And yeah, I feel so grateful that we found her. quite frankly, like, we kind of got her off market, meaning, I mean, because what happens is they're so in high demand and they, whatever, they're with the agency, they meet all these couples, they pick their favorite. In this case, she's only introduced to us. Yeah. Because our agent,

I think, was feeling a certain way about the fact that the other girl, it didn't work out. I think they felt horrible. I mean, did you feel like every lifetime movie that you've ever seen, like, running through your head? 100%. Also, I never identified with, like, all the materials on Instagram and stuff that I do find helpful and to a degree they feel like community, but I never identified as like part of the infertility community. Like that label is not, I wasn't like on message boards and like really talking to a lot of people. I'm on like one WhatsApp group. Yeah. Yeah. But I wasn't like really immersed in like the identity of that. And so I think purely out of

denial. I mean, I was like, I'm not like that. Even though. looking back, I'm like, yeah, you were. You were like 100%. Like you were like, you were so much more like sad and in it than you ever allowed yourself to think you were. Because I was just like, oh, I'm just keep going, you know, like whatever. I want an Emmy. I'm like, we're fine, we're fine. And it's like this was kind of simmering underneath all of it. This like struggle to have a kid. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I wish you all the luck in the world and happy motherhood. Okay, I wanted to, do you know that the 2026 Sports Illustrated swim show happened? Yes, okay.

I learned this from you. I don't know. It was all over my Instagram, maybe because the people I follow. And so they had a, they're having a fashion show of all these celebrities in the bikinis for Sports Illustrated. But they, they didn't allow them to wear shoes. Wait, why? I think just to be more like natural. Like if you were about to jump in the pool, you wouldn't have a pair of heels on.

Okay. But I'm like, why? Why not? Like, everyone's body, everybody would have had a better walk if they had a pair of heels on. Like, some of the people, because they're not models. So, like, the walks were kind of strange for some of them. They all looked great. It was a variety of bodies and accomplishments and everything like that.

But now this is going to be on Hulu. Oh, it is? Yeah. Oh, is it coming out soon? Like, I don't know. I'm not watching. Oh, it's coming out soon. I feel like I saw the whole thing on Instagram. I'm like, I don't know. Wait, I want to know though, like, what are they, they're just modeling bikinis? Yes. I mean, it's from like Lizzo to like Bethany Frankel. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, everyone's cheering because

it's like, wow. It's more like a celebration of, I guess like, wow, you got out there and a beat. But there's something, I don't know. Like, it's like, there's something weird about it too. Like, I'm not saying if my agent said, do you want to do this next year? I'd be like, yes. I'd probably have the most stressful year of my life, working out, getting skin tightening, doing whatever it took, and still turning around and knowing that the comments would be awful. Being a woman is a prison. Would I say? I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't say yet. Like maybe I'm like, the bodies were very good. Like, you know, like I said, like, you know. And then of course there's Alex Earl, who really is 22 and super thin with some nice new tits. And like, yeah, that that was the best body.

Wait, I'm just still trying to understand what is filling, is it a documentary about the show? No, no. It's just the runway is coming out? Yes. So it's what, like, kind of minutes long? Like, how long could that be? I don't know. Then they had like a, you know, they had like dancing with the stars, people dance.

And they had like some guy sing. It was kind of like a Victoria's Secret fashion show when they used to have those, which I never watched those either. But then I feel like they did some like behind the scenes stuff too. Maybe. A little bit with Victoria Secret. But I never watched those either. I don't care. I just don't care.

There's a nail salon. Have you ever gone to butter nails? No. Oh, it's on sunset. No, they play fashion shows. No, like actual fashion shows from all different designers. It's the only thing on their TV. And from all different eras. And it's like, I mean, truly, I like zone out. It's so fun to watch. But then with this, I'm like, well, if it's not about the clothes, then I'm kind of not that. I kind of just like want to see clothes. Yeah, I don't know. No disrespect to bikinis. I just kind of weird to like. I like fashion. Like, because the becate, the baitings just are so incredibly skimpy. Like, nobody's wearing us wrong. No one's has like a. Yeah. So it's just like you're really seeing everyone's body. And like the lighting was good and, and the makeup was good on their bodies. And their, all the bodies were good.

It just kind of was like, oh no, but I'm not the only one feeling this way. No, you're definitely not. And it's just kind of strange. And then not having heels. Then people were like, why is she walking with her stomach forward? And it's like, well, it's weird to walk. First of all, you're not a professional model and now you can't wear heels. It's setting, I think it's, it's tough because Sports Illustrated was like always a magazine that, like, the swimsuit issue, that was like immense bathrooms.

That was the only time I would look at it. My dad got the magazine. Yes. And only when the June thing came, and I'd come out and I'd really look at it. And I'd really look, what baiting suit is this? I would like to me, as a little girl, I'd like to buy it, even though the girl, like, only had the bottoms on me holding her tits. but I was just like, oh, I just like love looking at this, you know? Wow.

And now it's, nowadays what it is because it's a different world. And the only people that are going to sell the magazines are the ones that have the most, you know, influence. Right, right. So I get it. So for them, it's just like a publicity stunt basically. Totally. And I just think like, who can we get that like, you know, is a big thing. But I just was like, God, this is just like weird.

It's always weird when like this thing that so historically celebrating. like, like, sexualizing women. And I'm not saying it's not empowering in all the things. I'm taking into account all the angles. But it is interesting when that's sort of spun into this like feminist, like, right. You know, it's like, oh, you're the same person

who also, like, posed women in this very alluring way that, like, men would jerk off to. Like, I'm not trying to be crass, but like, so I think there's a little bit of a cognitive dissonance around that. It would be different if it was like, I don't know, like some like female owned business that had a website and they were sponsoring this event or something. You'd be like, oh, interesting, that tracks. But I think when it's Sports Illustrated, there's always this feeling of like they're clearly

trying to like reclaim something or like spin it in a way that speaks to like the modern audience. And it's just tough. And, like, as a woman, you just can't fucking win. Oh, for sure. If you were in a Miss America contest, it's like, you're an idiot. Even though it was for scholarships and stuff, and for some women, that might be the only way they could have gone to college. Right. But you're wearing a, you know, a bathing suit and you're going to be judged on it.

Yep. Then it was like, okay, now, now everybody, not, we don't want any good bodies on the runway. Now we want people that are not thin at all and we're just going to celebrate that. then they're like okay well a lot of those people now are thinner because there's you know weight loss drugs and things that you can do so now they're like how is skinny back in what it's like and then it's like but then we're like cheering these people on but they're like basically naked and then we're like mean to the only fans people and it's like well they're naked too like why just because women just can't win yeah we can't win right but also it's like if you're if your business is to raise your profile, would you have turned it down? No, you have to do it because you'll gain a million more followers, which is what you need. So now go wax your entire crotch. Right. And, you know, walk barefoot. Get some Juergens self-danner. Yeah, you need to get that Juergens.

And practice your walk back and then have enough people in the audience that are like, woo! And then like high-five the other person and act like your best friends when you like don't even know what they do for a living. Yeah. It was a lot. Before I get into this, I just want to say, I heard a crazy rumor about Bethany Frankl's ex, Jason Hoppy, who is the father of their daughter. Okay. I don't know this is true because we all know so many things are fake on the internet. Sure, of course. Grain of salt, a grain of salt. Yeah. But allegedly, he is either married to or has a child or having a child with a woman who was the nanny for

Sarah Jessica Parker. Oh. Now, if you watched and just like that, did you ever watch it just like that? I really tried. I tried.

Did you finish all of it? I loved it. And I feel part of my credit. No, I loved hating it. Oh, okay. You loved it. And I think I caused them to say, fuck you, Heather.

We're taking it from you. And I'll never forgive myself. Because I would not miss an episode. Really? Because I was so obsessed with like how bad it was. but it brought me so much joy at the same time.

Yeah, sure. Anyway, I'll never forgive myself for that. One of my biggest regrets in life. Anyway, but in it, she's talking to somebody, Sergei Parker is, and they say, are you going to go to the Hamptons? Are you going to rent a Hampton's house? And she's like, no.

And then the other person goes, oh, because Bethany Frankel's there. And so then, then, then shortly after Bethany went on Watch Rubin's Live and she had like a very weird episode with Andy and it seemed like, you know, and then after that is when Bethany went after Bravo and was like, I'm going to do the reality reckoning and we're going to sue

the NBC and Bravo and now. These women are, and again, much like the plight of a comedian who tries to prove a case that somebody took their one joke, Nobody cares. Nobody cares that a reality star might have gotten a little fucked over in the end. Nobody cares. It's not like you were in an orphan.

It's not like you're trafficked. You know. Right. Not in the real sense of traffic. Yes, a little bit trafficked. Yeah, yeah. But so anyway, then, so now people are like, wait a minute. Was that weird, what was that weird joke written into the show because,

Sarah Jessica Parker does really think she's a biotch. Because her nanny who she keeps in touch with is with Jason Hoppy. It must be. It must be. Because why would you throw shade in a scripted show that you could edit jokes out of or replace jokes? Like it's, you know what I mean? It went through so many layers of. As you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just as a TV writer, I'm like, yeah, I mean, there are so many opportunities to take a joke out or replace it. And if it was still filmed on the day, you could cut it in editing. Like they left it in. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So I would have, I would think that. And I think that's also. So I mean, now it's like maybe that is really what really got like Bethany and Andy. He's best friends with her. Right. I forgot about that. And like, yeah.

And now he will never say her name. He just calls her the Margarita lady. He won't. If like he talks about anything on his radio show, he will not say her name. Really? But I don't know if her ex-Jason Hoppy. If he really. had a child with this person because I saw it on TikTok and I don't know if it's true.

But if it is, I think that is really juicy. Wow. I mean. And I do think Jason Huffy was a horrible person to be in a divorce with. Yeah. I heard an interview with her on, was it call her daddy? Yeah. I don't know what I heard.

But I remember like, yeah, it sounded like that divorce was beautiful. No, I thought it was seemed like it was just hell. And then she started a whole podcast where she was telling the whole story and then she had to stop it. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. She said, oh, I don't know if she ever gave a reason, but, you know, but, you know, it was just like her just telling the whole awful story of it. But which thou would lead because if you're the new girlfriend wife, you're going to hear a whole different side from your new boyfriend.

Right. And then you're still friends with, you know, you were such. a great nanny, even though her kids are grown, you're kept in touch with your boss who said to her Parker and so she knows. But pretty juicy. That is juicy. And then also on Hulu is, it's not a job,

it's a lifestyle, million dollar nannies on June 17th. My God, I can't wait. Immediately I was like, what really rich person is going to have their kids all, like, have their nanny filming a reality show? That's the only thing I don't understand is like, how did this show come together? I think it's more

about the nannies. running the nanny company. Oh, I see. Like recruiting what kind of people. Sure. Like keeping it more about the agency. Probably some like fake fights or something. Yeah, yeah.

And then just talking about these people like, well, you know that they are flying their private jet into blah, blah, blah, blah. But like maybe we, or maybe like two thirsty moms are like, sure you can film with me. This artwork is so confusing because they all are where it's almost like Handmaid's Tale. Like the way they're all wearing these like weird They're all wearing these pink outfits And then they have the matching Bjorns Which are supposed to be like a Louis Vuitton But they didn't want to use Louis Vuitton

And they're kind of like marching in unison It's just like a very strange Yeah it begs a lot of questions I have I want to watch it Because I just need to understand like What is happening and where is it filmed? Like they're on an island in this picture I don't know

I always think that's true Interesting too and like when a TikToker or a nanny or something, I mean a chef or a nanny is like, all right, follow me in the day of life of being a private chef for a rich ass family in Hamptons. And then they're like, you know,

they're cutting the chops, chopping the side, and then like do a, and I'm like, if I was a person paying this guy, like whatever enormous amount of money, and I go to like doom stroll. And I'm like,

I know. That's what I'm saying. Not Droomstroll. Droom scroll. Yeah. And then I'm like, there's my guy. It looks like mine. Wait. That's what I'm saying. The layers of permission to do.

Like, why would you, like, I'd be like, no. Absolutely not. And also like, are the kids in it? Like, that also feels weird. Yeah, like. Somebody's kid is just like having their life filmed. Right. Or if the kid is having like a full breakdown now.

that's all the kids life forever. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of, I have a lot of questions. I, yeah, I want to like start watching some. Have you seen any press for it? No. I haven't either. No, but it's the same producer that does the Mormon wives. Okay. Really curious. I'm speaking of like awful girls. So McKenzie Shirilla, who is the girl from Crash. Yes. You know, it's all, people hate her so much, but she's getting all this publicity. She has girlfriend. She has hickeys. She has a boyfriend.

I don't know what. Okay. There's more, so much more stuff that was not in the documentary. Yeah. That really makes the parents look even worse. The dad has lost his job or has been put on leave from his teaching at like a Catholic high school. I think because he admits to like smoking weed all the time.

I don't know why they did that. But with her to the sister of the boyfriend that died, she is trying to pass some law called Dom's law for Dominic that she couldn't make money off any social media.

Because right now there's the law that if you were convicted of any kind of murder you can't make money off of a book or a movie. Right. And but they never thought about like, you know, money off of, I don't know how she'd make money off of social media while she's in prison. But I guess they all have iPads and they all can have like TikToks and podcasts. And I'm like, what is this?

I'm like, what is going on in the prisons? Like how do they all, how can they like be emailing people and she's like talking on the phone with her mom like, oh, I'm emailing this person. And that person, I guess you just can, like, wasn't there a time where, like, a letter would come and the, and the wardens would read it before they give it to you? Yes. I don't, yeah. Yeah, I don't understand. Yeah, it was like, and also like, yeah, it was like, I mean,

at least the way it was portrayed in movies. It was always like, you got a letter. And it's like, I got a letter. Yeah. You know, it was like a big deal. Like, any kind of correspondence was a huge deal and a huge privilege. Yeah. And I saw that they also have iPads and and they can see I can watch porn and stuff on it Really?

Yes. That's not regular They don't have like That's so interesting Whoa And I'm like I'm sorry If you can have an iPad And then someone could buy you like

A Netflix subscription Just like they could give you money For like ramen Right Then you're like it's not that different Yeah And I know you still are in a comfortable bed And I know you still

I know you're still hearing like Crazy people scream But I'm like I mean you're watching You can watch it TV all day. Yeah, yeah. Again, like, I feel like the things I know about prison are from TV and movies, but like, yeah, it was like that image in like Orange is the New Black where like there's a, I think there was like a TV in the common room and everyone gathers around and there

was like a fight about what they were going to watch. Yeah. Because it's one television and it's like, oh, if you have your own. I mean, I'm sure every, there's prisons that are different than this and that. But like, it's very strange. But, um, yeah, we'll see. Okay, Love Island, a show that I don't really watch. I've never seen a single episode. But this is all over. It's the Love Island USA. They have all these different countries.

Yes, yes, of course. And her name's Vassana, Montgomery, has been removed from the villa after allegedly using the N-word. Oh, boy. So you're like, how did they not know? So it's in her past. She didn't say it on the show. Okay.

And what happened was she did some podcast. as everyone does. And I guess she said it and it rolled off the tongue. That had never aired. So that's why when they did the research to make sure that someone hadn't said it, they didn't find anything where she's singing along with their friends. So whoever the person was doing it, I guess cut it and saved it. Saved it for a rainy day.

and then saw that she was going to be on a show and then released it. And it's just like, I don't know. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be, but like, my God, like, it's just every, like, it's just such a weird story that. So now she's, she's done so. She's done so. And everyone knows that she said it. I don't know if we have access to the video, but that's what they said, that there is a video of her doing a podcast. And, but I mean, like, when we, I wrote white chicks with the Wains Brothers and...

You did? Yeah. Whoa. I didn't know that. And so when that scene where they're driving to go shopping and they're with Sean and Marlin as the girls. Uh-huh. And they're driving and they're like listening to some song. And then the Sean and Marlin characters say the N-word.

They're like, my God, what are you doing? We can't say it. And then they're like, yeah, you can. one's listening, you know, if no one's around. And then like the scene is them singing a song and then saying it. Okay. And I'm like, God, in this day and age, I wouldn't be surprised if one of those actresses, then somehow this comes back to fucking haunt that. Like, it is just kind of like, that's totally two different things. But I'm just saying, like, I know. I know. I know. Yeah. I don't know what how she said it. I don't know if she was telling a story. And in telling the story,

she retold something that happened. Like, I don't know. But, I mean, like, yeah. And then if you're going to be a brat or something as a little kid at 15, would then somebody be like, you know, I don't think they should be allowed on the varsity football team because on this reality show, they push their sister into a wall or something.

Like, you know, just every camera's like on everything all the time. I also wonder, though, if like, yeah, I mean, I also wonder like if they were noticing signs of her being problematic on the show as well. And maybe it was a perfect storm where they're like, well, this footage. Maybe they had it in their back pocket. I'm wondering if something else happened and this was like the final piece that they needed if something else were going on. I don't know. I don't watch the show. So I'm not sure. I don't watch a show either. What I understand is just a lot. of hot bodies and tiny bathing suits and just, you know, grinding, having sex with me, whatever. I feel like people love... The Love Island UK is the one that everyone's like,

it's a life changer. Like, you have to see it. Yeah. I need to watch it. Did you watch that one? No, I just kind of feel like, because there's like so young. I don't know if I'm like into people that young.

I know. I know what you mean. Like, and... But I mean, maybe it's entertaining. Okay. Brad Pitt is all smiles on a date night with Innes de Ramon after being snubbed by his son Maddox. Okay, so the divorce I think finally happened. I think they finally figured out the money about the rosé. Oh, my God, it's been going on for so long. Oh, I didn't know it was still going on.

You know, they have, they owned that rosé. Yes, I knew that. I did not know that they hadn't officially divorced. You know what? I don't know if I'm totally right on that. Okay. But as we know, as we know, there was the allegedly the horrible fight that happened on the private plane. Yes, yes, I remember that. Since all of that, he has said he has a drinking problem. He's supposedly sober. But now all the kids,

I think maybe one of the younger twin boys may have not changed his name yet, but every other kid in the family no longer has Pitt. It's just Jolie. Because their last names were all Jolie Pitt. Yeah. And now it's all Jolie. The daughter Sahara graduated.

And they now she, let me think. She, I think they adopted together. Yeah, that's what I remember. I thought. I know Maddox she adopted by herself. Yes. And then I want to say Pax and Sahara, they adopted together. I think that's right.

Then they had Shiloh. Then they had the twins together. Oh, right. Oh, Shiloh, Shiloh, Shiloh, isn't one of the twins. No. Shiloh, Shiloh. Shiloh. Yeah. And now the twins are 18. Oh, wow. It's been that long? Vivian now is Jolie as well.

Vivian Jolie. Okay. And, you know, some people are like, oh, that's that. But then I'm just like, I don't know, Brad. I mean, you're cute. But I, you fucking cheated on Jennifer Aniston. And remember, like, I remember it so well. So they were a couple. And then he got Mr. and. Mrs. Smith. Yeah, that's right. That's where they met, right? Or that's where they started spending time together. And then she was like, oh, like, talked to Angelina. My husband's so excited to work with you. She was like totally confident, not nervous at all. Very confident in their marriage. And then terrible. And now I'm going to tell you, a rumor I heard a long time ago. It's so long ago. I don't even care. I'm clutching. I'm clutching because it's so visceral. who knew Courtney Cox. Okay.

And back then, I was told. So this is a rumor. I asked. A couple times removed. A couple times removed. That this is a long time ago. Okay. That like literally she would call the house, Angelina.

And it was like, and she's like, what do you think of her? And she said, Predator was the word that she called her. Courtney did. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is the rumor that was told to me. Rumor, rumor. Some could have made it up.

I'm just telling you what I heard, what I always remember. Sure. So, and then, even though they started to have this, like, thing going on, they had one last time that the paparazzi got. They all went to Cabo or something. And they're, like, holding hands, she and Brad. Then they officially leave. And then they do this big, um, photo shoot where they're doing. dressed kind of like

1960s housewife Palm Springs. Okay. And his hair is short and it's her and it was like for Vogue or something. Okay.

And Angelina and they have like three or four little Brad Pitt looking boys like in this big family and they're like in a pool or in something. And everyone,

people knew like she was trying to have a kid prior to that with him. And that's when she goes, I think he has a sensitivity chip missing. Oh. And also she said, at least I don't have to sit in an uncomfortable chair that he thinks he's a designer of. Because he also thought he was like an architect or something. He thought he knew. And then I remember he like got her some ring and I thought it and he designed it.

And I thought it was so ugly. Well, you have maybe the most beautiful ring I've ever seen. But it was like, it was a diamond like inside like instead of being pronged up, which I like a pronged up. Yeah, like a prong. It was like inside and looked very masculine. Okay, interesting. And I was just like, yeah, you don't have great taste. Yeah, I feel like he is like part of that crew like him and Leonardo Capra. They all like are big art collectors and like, yeah.

Yeah, like cigars. Yeah, they love. But I can see like that kind of feels like it's in that wheelhouse of being. I have impeccable taste. Yeah. And then, you know, of course he got a nice little man facelift. Yeah, he got a great facelift. And he's still adorable.

Yeah, he looks good. But his insides are 61. True. And of course, now he's got this young girl. And he'll probably have two or three kids with her, is my prediction. It is feeling that way. And he'll start over because he can. Yeah.

It does feel that way. But you know what? As a woman who could not get knocked up if I got out there again, thank you, God. Thank you. It's like the one thing that I want to thank the Lord for is that as a certain point we cannot get knocked up against our will at a certain age but you're knocked up at 15.

Yep. We can get knocked up at 40, whatever. But when you're like over 50 and all your kids are grown and they hate you, I mean these old stars that then get these young girls, that's why they have to do those Randall Emmett movies. What who's that?

Rannell Emmett is this producer who was doing all, they called him the Geyser movies. He would do these movies that they threw together in like two weeks allegedly that would have like Bruce Willis in it. Oh, okay.

And you know, Robert De Niro, Robert De Niro playing a cop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, first of all, cops retire at 55. You're like 80. Right, right, right. Why are you still a cop? Right.

Shut up. Like, like, but if you're I know that genre you're talking about. They have these little, they have these families. Yeah. Yeah. And they think that it's going to be so fun because this girl's all into them. But then when she's 40 with three kids that are elementary age, you're not going to be the priority.

Yeah. I also, wait, didn't that happen with Al Pacino too? Didn't we have it? They all have. They have these like late in life babies. Really late in life. Yeah. They're grandparent age.

Like great grandparent age. Yeah. So it's, yeah. So that's something I really... It's just like, oh, start all. I can't imagine being like I could have a baby. Like, especially after like what I went through trying to have a baby. I'm like, oh, these guys like can just like whatever.

Yeah. They can just fucking jizz at 80 and it still works. That's crazy to me. But the flip side is, what the fuck you're doing, idiot? Like, you think... I really think that's going to be a baby and he's like, well, I can still give you that. I can give you that. You can have a nanny, blah, blah, blah. But like also, ugh. And so, yeah, that's, that, that is the way it is. You know, go have some fun with that. Like, ugh. And just, and you really think this chick is going to be like into you. I wonder what it's like to be the girlfriend and see, like, what his, how his family has kind of like been,

ruptured over time and like what her perspective is. The perspective is the perspective of every girlfriend. Angelina was a nightmare. She turned the kids against him. Okay. He tried numerous times and the door is always open. We'd love them to come around. But you know what?

She might not. Yeah. Cut to five years from now. They're in St. Bart's with their nanny from the nanny show. Right. And they're having all this fun. and then the moody twins show up. And they're miserable.

And he's like, these are my kids. They finally want to come to St. Bart's with us. And she's like, when is it going to be my turn? When is it going to be my turn, Brad? I've given you these two beautiful children. They're disrespectful to me. Right. Well, if you can't be nice to my kids and we're done.

And then they get divorced. And then he has another baby. at 75 with someone else. It's so crazy. It's crazy that you could have like three generations of babies if he wanted to. That's so crazy.

He could have so many families. He was like, yeah. I know. He just can keep having different families. That's so... Yeah. I saw this thing where they said this, this was somebody's point of view, not mine,

that I saw it like on TikTok so I can't give her credit. But she said, what's really interesting about men and women is when a man gets more successful, when he really hits it, not every man. Some go seek out a mistress, maybe get divorced, have another wife, have a whole another young family.

Right. But a woman is like, F off, I will just be by myself. Yes. And enjoy my life. Yes. Like, I don't need you for shit and goodbye. And like they're not looking like, do you imagine if right now Cher is dating? A young, young guy.

Yeah. Amber Rose's X. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. His name's AJ something. Okay. They have a kid together. Okay. They've been together like two or three years.

He's 38. She's 78. Right. Now, wouldn't, now, if God was really cruel, which she's not, that guy would have knocked up share. Right. And now she's 78, having to push one out and go to preschool things when she's 83. So rough. That'd be so rough. But that's the one thing. So she can keep this young guy. Yes. Yes. And there's nothing to lose. There's a, there's a safety there for him. You know? And I'm sure she's like, hey, you're a good time. I don't care. I'm sure Amber Rose is like, no problem. Go to Auntie Share. She'll give you some wisdom. I'm not. Wouldn't you rather have your ex hanging out with an old estelle? I would rather have my ex be like, you know who Peter's.

dating who? Martha Stewart. Great. Oh, I would love it. She can cook for the kids. I would love it. She lives near country clubs. Absolutely. Private Jet. Like, please find someone super rich. Yeah. Versus like some dumb ho that brings nothing to the table except new tiny babies. It's true. Yeah, I know. I'm like, if my ex got together with like a successful older woman, I would just be like, that is so cool. And I really root for you guys. I feel like that's like why like the, the Lauren Sanchez Benzo thing worked out with her ex

who was like the agent at William Morris, whatever. Right, right. It's because she married someone so extraordinarily rich. Even though there was cheating going on. The four of them were dining together

and she was sneaking off to his cabin, whatever. It all worked out because in the end, he's like with some hot Australian and it's like, if you're going to cheat with someone, don't have it be the pool boy. Right.

Don't have to be with some grifter that you met online. Right, right. Like, have it be with someone that's going to, like, elevate our kids lives. Yeah. Our kids can work there. Our kids can, you know, go on these incredible trips and meet these incredible people. Cheat with purpose is the message. Cheat with intention.

That is the new Mel Robbins book that is, don't you try to steal it, Mel. Don't. Cheat with intention. Where are my glasses? I'm going to do one of my Mel Robbins right now. If you're going to cheat, you're going to. cheat with intentions. See the future.

Think about it. Get out of bed and say, if I'm going to spread my legs, what is the purpose? The purpose is to elevate not just your legs, but your whole being and that of those surrounding you. It's that simple people. That's good. That's really good.

I, you know, she and Jay Shetty, just killing life. Oh, yeah, Jay Shetty. Just got another $100 million trillion. dollar deal. Unbelievable. You know, he lied about his whole origin story. He did?

I had the reporter on my show. No one cares. No one cares. Really? Yeah. I would think with his. He was doing an article, you know, and someone would be like, Heather, now you've ruined your chance of ever being on Jay Shetty's billion trillion.

I don't fucking care. Thank God I don't care. But listen, I think he's cute. too. Okay. He's, he's, you know, got those ice blue eyes, Indian, sexy cheekbones. Okay. But basically in a nutshell, his story was that, you know, he was a monk and he was something, he was a monk and this and that. But this, the story behind his story is not true. And he wasn't a monk? He, like, I can't remember. But, it wasn't like he killed somebody. It wasn't like that.

It was just like his story of how he came about. It wasn't as pure as he. Okay. It's like if all of a sudden, I always said, you know, well, you guys, I, you know, I, if like you thought I was this girl that, you know, came from an orphanage in Pekoyma and ended up getting a. scholarship to college and ended up at the groundings, blah, blah, blah. And then you find out, no, she lived with her parents, were married their whole life.

She went to Catholic school. She doesn't, you know, like, this was, you know, but my whole thing was when you come from nothing and you can become something. So it's a little bit like that. But again, somebody would say, I don't care, Heather. Like, I, just the same way, I don't care that someone stole your joke. I don't care that Mel Robbins stole that let them from the poet. I don't care.

I still like the podcast. I still like the message. The message they're giving me is good. Right. And again, you don't have to listen to it. You don't have to be on the show. You don't have to. But no, he was writing the story to do an expose, not an expose, to do like a real,

a complimentary piece on him. And then he started to do. discover some stuff. And a lot of it was also the coaching. The coaching is the new is the MLM of yesteryear. Oh. Where you are coach. Yes. Yes. Then you teach people to be coaches and then they teach people to be coaches. I see. And so on and so on and so on. And then you buy these expensive courses. Yeah. Kind of like a Scientology. Right. I feel like some acting teachers are that way too. Totally. Yeah. The coach. Oh my God. Learning. The acting teaching thing.

You have the coach from the master and then the, yeah, yeah. Yeah, acting teachers, that's a weird world too. Anyway, so getting back to that. So that was also kind of a, and then when he was looking into it, they were just like not answering it. And then the big PR company or whoever he's with told the magazine, you know, you're not going to run this story. And then the magazine said, you can take it somewhere else.

I think he took it to the Guardian. but like I want to say originally it was like at it's DQ or Esquire and I'm sorry that I'm like messing this up but you can find them in my podcast but it but it was like yeah we're not going to run this because this big PR company we get all these other people from so we don't want to piss them off by doing this

article that isn't this fluff piece it's a little bit of a juicy but even though it came out, even though he was on my show, and I found it fascinating. Nobody cares. It's so interesting.

I mean, nobody cares. It's like I always say like, well, because they also, oh, sorry, go ahead. No, you go. No, I was going to say like, well, also because when you get into the podcast realm, it's like, well, then people are like,

oh, well, I like the guest they had on. Or I like the conversation they had. It's like less of the onus on the j. Shetty of it all. And I think the loophole of a podcast is when people get, hard on me like you got your facts wrong. I'm like this isn't a fact-based thing. This is a comedic conversation. It's improvisational. Yes, there's some prep work, but I don't have a staff of 55 people. At the end of this podcast, you're not going to hear like, you know, sound, da-da-da-da-da.

We just do it and we move on. Like not 25 people working on it. But like I think with that too, you're like, well, it's just a conversation of advice. It's just like you're sitting in on a therapy session. And if you don't like the therapist, then who cares? And then the business people are like, well, we believe people will watch this. So that's why we're going to pay this person all this money. And there's no, like I get it. It all goes around. Yeah, especially now, like, yeah, I feel like so much of the stuff that we used to care about

in terms of like artistic integrity. It's like all fallen away. And it's just like, who has the biggest following? Can we pay them? So we bring more people to like our subscribers. subscription service or whatever it is. Since you're in the TV writing producing business, how, you know, both hacks and the comeback had a big storyline about AI. Yes. AI taking over the writing. Right. And what is your feeling? What have you seen happening? I mean, the people that I know are

pretty staunchly against it. Yeah, I feel like the conversations are it's really bleak, but hopefully like we can stay as pure as possible without using it. But I think in terms of like what it could mean for us like economically and like losing our jobs, I, the times that I start to think about that or read about that, it just gets so bleak that I'm like, I don't even know what. Well, I just don't even know what to do because I'm like, I'm so embedded in this world that. Yeah, I mean, you know, I do think putting those storylines into shows that people watch and think about and ruminate on.

Like, I think that that is a step forward because if it's making it into storylines, that means, like, they are sending a message out of, like, stay away from this. Like, it could really hurt people creatively and hurt people's jobs. So I'm like, that's a start. Like, I'm glad hacks and the comeback covered it

because, you know, even though it's like, whatever, ingest, and, you know, you're getting a little dose of it through comedy. I'm like, that is kind of how we get a lot of our information. is like we saw it on a show or, you know, we're not always like reading stories about things. Sometimes it's like, the Daily Show did a thing where da-da-da-da-da. And it's like, yeah, that was really impactful. Like, that really meant something to people.

So I think the same is true with the comeback and hacks. I'm like, oh, I'm glad that they're tackling it because then maybe they're spreading the word in a more palatable way. Have you ever like read a script and you're like, this is just really like dated corny jokes? but the concept of the show is good. Like, have you ever been like that? And then, like, how do you fix that? Like, do you ever just go, I mean, that I almost feel like someone would, like,

run through an AI and be like, can you make these pop culture jokes more 2026? I mean, if you did that, I bet it could get you closer, but I don't think it's going to be like the final piece. No, I don't think it would ever be the final piece. Yeah, I don't think it would be the final piece. But I'm saying, like, if someone, like, with the road,

Yeah. Yeah. Now, you know, because Rose had become popular again, people will be like, we're going to rose Jerry for his 50th birthday. Yeah. You know, everyone. And I'm like, I'm sure, just like if you were like, count me write a wedding speech or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure you could go in and be like, I want to roast my friend Jerry. He ran a printing company. He's been divorced twice. Um, his cat died because he left it outside. And he, he, whatever has psoriasis. Yep. And then there it is. And then they'd be like, Jerry's here tonight. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny because I specifically wrote a lot about speeches in my book, ridiculous. I had a lot of feelings on like how to craft like the perfect wedding speech or wedding toast. And it is kind of horrifying that like, oh, now like there is something that can help you with your public speaking. Like you can actually, I mean, maybe it'll be dry because you don't have whatever performance skills, but like at least the content, like, it is scary that like the content could be decent. Like that's terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. That's terrifying. That's just, I mean, I never want

to say it'll be good. I think also like, luckily, I think the one good thing about this time we're living in is we're starting to form like, I don't know if this is a word, but like a re-appreciation for human error. Like human error and flaws like so beautiful and so important. And I never. saying that like to like pop as like a tic-toker is to be that authentic person that's like do they say that I don't really follow you're kind of saying that's like the way to go is like to not I think it's cool I mean it's true like and also for live performance and stuff like I feel like live performance is doing better than ever and I think it's because people are fundamentally like just feeling a little lonely and disconnected and like I do think that the AI stuff ties into that

I think like sort of stripping away human flaw is like a really scary. It's just scary. And I'm like I don't, maybe that's like a, I feel like I kind of have a, what's the word I'm looking for? Like my perspective on this feels very unresearched. And I think I intentionally kind of have stayed in that zone. And maybe that's not good. Maybe I need to like not remain so in the dark on it.

but I feel like everything I do learn just bums me the hell out. So I kind of steer clear of it. I was watching this thing about like these like easy fake nails you can get. Yes. And I was like, oh, I hope my manicurist doesn't see this video. Oh. Because I'm not kidding. There's a machine now.

Did you see that? All that stuff. Apparently there's a machine where you're going to be able to literally just put your hand in and it'll, it doesn't mean it'll be good. Yeah. But I'm just saying like all this kind of stuff. Like I would think if you, if that was your profession and you see something like that, like gives you anxiety. Right, because it's like there's something, like there's an artistry to things. And like artistry, what is it even?

What is the word, the word artistry will become obsolete because there's no perfecting of a skill. Right. If AI can replace it. And like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, the experience I've had with it where I was like, like, this is not in terms of writing, but like I've used like the AI like, what's the word? like for fonts on Instagram. I'm like, oh, like, let's see what kind of font it can make if I give this prompt. And it's so fucked up and janky that I'm like, oh, okay.

It's actually that kind of comforting. I'm like, good. I'm glad it didn't know what I was talking about. Right. I'm glad that it butchered it because I don't want it to be able to just accomplish everything so easily. Yeah. It was like, okay, we're still, we still have like a little bit of room to breathe potentially. Yeah, but I mean it's like, but also things have always been formulaic.

Like there'd be times when we, my kids were little and we'd be like watching something and I would guess the joke before they'd say it and we'd never seen it. And they were like, how did you know that? And I'm like, I just because I understand how jokes have written. Right. Right. Right. It's like a magician. Yeah. And it's still like I think that's always kind of like that this like, yeah, that it exists. But like I was just watching something 16 canals. Did you ever see 16 candles? Did you ever see 16 candles? Oh God. It's so dark. It's so dark. I mean. When they cut that clip of like how he was disgusted with his girlfriend. It's so bad. Because she got so drunk. Yep. And then he was like, she's so passed out. I could violate her seven ways to Sunday. But why don't you little freshman take her home?

And in the end, they have sex. And she's like, I don't remember. But it's fine. And he's like. I know. It's so scary. It is. It's almost to the point.

you're like, you're like, I hope my kids don't see this. Like, it's so, it's like a horror movie. It's so bad in that we went to it. And I remember thinking like he was a dick to that girl. And, but also it put in our brains, all those things were written by guys. Yeah. And they put it out there just like Woody Allen would have the 17 year old girl dying to date. Yep.

His skinny, ugly, 45 year old ass. And somehow an hour. in, you've gone, yeah, this is totally believable. I know. Like, it's like you'll start to just go, okay. And then with, with that whole thing, you know, you were like, yeah, no, no way would Jake Ryan want redheaded, sorry, Molly Greenwald. A guy that's rich like that and living that life would have just stuck with that girl till he got to college and then like fucking joined S.A.E and had a great fucking time. Sorry.

But it was always that thing where it's always like, oh, well, if I show up to the party and I stand in the corner, the guy's just going to see me in the corner and be like, you. I know. No. No, you want to meet a guy? Go up. Shove your tits in their face. Start a conversation.

Tell them you like them. Make the first move. And then they'll be like, okay. That's so true. It's like we think they're evolved beings. they're not. There was so, well, I feel like that what you just described is the evolution of the pick me girl. Yeah. Because the literal pick me, which is like you wanted to be picked. You wanted to be chosen. And the narrative that you were watching on TV was you just stand there. Hopefully you guys

lock eyes across the room at the school dance. Yes. And then he's like almost like like brought to, like he almost like floats over to you being like finally you're the answer to all my problems. And it's like literally all of the movies were that. It was like, you don't have to do anything. you just stand there, you look hot, and like, hopefully he'll see you. Or not hot. Or you're not hot. Or you're not hot. And you're not hot. And you're not hot. And you're I mean, you're the ugly's friend if you're brunette. Yeah, those movies. Oh, I mean, the dolls. Barbie. Barbie's friend was brunette. Yeah. Barbie wasn't brunette. Her friend was. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, just there's so much about like how I've approached men in my life or, like,

the expectations that I had for men and it was all just like absolute mental pollution from the shows I watched and even cartoons like all the Disney shit like just pollution in my head of like this is what it's going to be like this is what romance looks like this is what courtship looks like this is what human decency looks like it's like it's all so wrong and so flawed it's really crazy well on that happy note it was so fun talking to you it was so good I'm going to go see your show. Yes. This is just one of the dates.

You said them all, where can they follow you so they can see if you're coming to their city? Yes. All of my links for tickets are on my Instagram at Really Jamie Lee. Jamie J-A-M-I-E-L-E. And yeah, at Really Jamie Lee, I have all my links there. And you told me you're writing another show, which I'm going to be totally into, called... Yes, I'm working on a show called Escorted, which is going to be on Amazon starring Brett Goldstein. about a male escort.

But it's based on a true story or no? No. Okay, well, I love high-class hookery. I love, I call them hooker lights. I love that theme. I remember the original Gigolo movie from a million years ago. I loved the gross showtime Gigolo. Oh, that show, yes.

The grossest Las Vegas. Oh, it was a tough watch. I know, but I like sad, reality shows about Vegas. Oh, okay. I love Vegas as a backdrop. Sure. But it has to be gritty and like sweaty.

Uh-huh. And kind of sad. Yeah, okay. I mean, they don't really make those shows anymore. I don't know. Vanderpump is supposed to do a new show in Vegas. Oh, good. Oh, good. So I'm hoping that has like a fresh start.

Oh, my God. And he's depressing. Get Heather back to Vegas. And it goes to Vegas and she's got all her stuff. Yeah. But I love that. So you have that. So you have that. You also, the fourth season of,

Yes, fourth season of Ted Lassow is coming out in August. Yeah, great. And it's a girls team this time, which is really exciting. We have a whole new, have a whole new cast in a lot of, well, not a whole new cast, but we have a lot of additions to our cast, which is really exciting. That's awesome. Yeah. That's such a hit. Well, thank you so much, you guys.

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