Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Fake Pregnancies and Blake Lively’s Regrets with Dave Neal

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

Dave Neal, a stand up comedian with a top YouTube channel is here! Dave has been going deep on the Blake vs Justin Baldoni saga. Does Blake have any regrets? If she was to settle the case, what would her statement be? Then Dave shares how his investigation helped former Bachelor Clayton with a woman who claimed to be carrying his twins. This woman who had faked numerous pregnancies also sued Dave for his reporting on the case. We also get into how to save The Bachelor franchise. Then I share my latest take on Meghan Sussex which may surprise you. So juicy so enjoy! • Save 20% OFF by going to https://honeylove.com/JUICY #honeylovepod • Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get 15% off with promo code JUICY at http://lumepodcast.com/JUICY ! #lumepod • Find exactly what you’re booking for on https://Booking.com, Booking.yeah! • For a limited time go to https://SpotandTango.com/juicyscoop and use code juicyscoop to get fifty percent off your first order.  • Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to http://Zocdoc.com/JUICY to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today.   Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod  https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Yes, if you're watching this on YouTube and you better be, you better subscribe, you better like it, you better ring the bell, do all the stuff. We are in a new studio and I have a first time guest, also a YouTube delight, Dave Neal, flew all the way from Nashville to come be on Juicy Scoop.

Welcome. Yeah, this is exciting. I've got like a Bravo crush here. This is, you're it. You're like, you're the mother of Bravo. You're so sweet. I love it because people were DMing me from different sources, like,

or in comments on my Patreon, on DM, on my Juicy DM on my juicy scoop obsessed on Facebook saying You got to have Dave Neil on he said some really nice things about you well when I hear that I have to stop everything because I I Love a good compliment. So yeah, so that I watched it and I was like, oh my god, it's so nice And you were just like yeah, I want to be on the show put me on I was like, oh my god, it's so nice. And you were just like, yeah, I want to be on the show. Put me on.

I'm like, perfect. Well, there was a lot of meat left on the bone from what Nick, your guest, was saying. And I've come from the Bachelor world as a commentator. So there's always that dissent. It's like when, like in the political world, after the State of the Union, the other political party will give their response.

That's my video. It's always like, you're wrong about this. Right, so you did almost the entire conversation about Blake Lively and Justin and all that on the show. And yes, so then I went back on his show and I said, hey, there was some controversy about people not really liking your appearance on my show for some reason.

And I said, I didn't have a problem with it. I didn't feel like I was being mansplained to or whatever. But it's always interesting when, like, an audience member or a listener sees it differently than me. Yeah. Well, I think people just, know when when when he says oh, I didn't I don't understand all the backlash Well, I'll show you the receipts. Yeah, they were so flippantly like this You know they speak in these truths and it's like you're sharing your opinion but we have all of these receipts that show a completely different story and

Audiences just want some authenticity there to like speak it. So I mean, so I went on this, he is very still, very team Blake and Ryan. He believes that, you know, Justin is not a good guy, that, you know, there's no reason not to believe everything that Blake has said from the very start. And I was like, I feel like I was a pretty balanced person, because when I first heard about, I'll put this up,

when I first heard about the Spear campaign from the New York Times article, like I've said before, pretty compelling, and I was happy that it was like being exposed. And then obviously when Moore came out and he thought back and showed all the other things. So what I've always said now, this is where I am now, I do believe that there could have been a smear campaign. I'm not, I don't think that maybe it wasn't.

Maybe he was like Ronald Reagan with, you know, not knowing what's going on in the White House type of a thing. Maybe he didn't know what his team was doing. And there was some of it happening. I think it's possible, but it'll be hard to prove. I don't think that that he sexually harassed her in terms of sexual harassment. And which is also a fine line. It's not assault you know and I think he has every right to expose all of it and gain his reputation that was just starting to build and then he lost the pac-man movie he lost the agent and get get that reputation back so that he can have a great career for the next 40 years.

He wasn't just gonna crawl away. So that's where I am with it. But I am also just kind of, like I am still fascinated and I still see all the sides of like who Blake is and why people kind of love to be like, we found a bitch and let's prove it, is also kind of fascinating. Well, I think as a comic,

you're probably really good at reading people. You have to be, right? You have split second decisions on folks. Justin, maybe there's virtue signaling that happens and someone like Nick sees that as like, oh, he's faking it. Like Nick wants to own the position as the guy who gives dating advice online, as if

that hasn't existed since the beginning of time, right? And yeah, you're allowed to change your opinion. But Nick wanted you to prove why Justin was innocent versus Blake has to prove why she was assaulted. And so he was asking you what evidence you had. And it's like, we're all here independently independently going what evidence does she have? We were told this story, we believed it, we all know about astroturfing and how many- What's astroturfing?

That's basically like when it's a fake grassroots movement. So it's like if an insurance company will hire a bunch of people to tell you that so and so hates their, they hate their free insurance in Canada. That's, they literally pay to get that conversation out there so you believe that like oh they all hate their insurance. They have to wait too long for it or whatever. It's like, astroturfing exists politically. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't really know that.

Versus like- But I understand what you mean. Yeah, versus like- I don't think I knew the term. Yeah, and it's exactly what it sounds like. It's fake grassroots and it exists. And I'm always there to call that out because it's so easy how quickly people can be manipulated

based on one story, a couple upvotes, a couple people commenting. And we were kind of astroturfed to believe that Blake was this person who had all of these claims against him. And then when he provided the evidence, if you can't believe, if she kind of like lies or stretches the truth about one of those claims, a jury is basically instructed to just throw it all out. And it's like Amber Heard, because in Amber Heard's case, she lied about donating money to the ACLU, which was a really big deal. She later said, I pledge to donate. Bullshit. She lied about it. And then if the old Latin saying is like falsis in uno, falsis in omnibus. Lie about one thing, lie about

everything. So Blake doesn't have any credibility because she tried to make that water birth a porn thing. Which remind people of that. It was just a video that was- So they were talking about how we're going to do the birth scene. And Justin had a video.

First I heard it was his wife, then I heard it was his friend's wife. Jamie Heath. It was his friend's wife. Yeah Heath. It was his friend's wife. Yeah, and he's like the CEO of the company. Okay, and he was like, we could do something like this. Beautiful spiritual shot from over the top, water birth video, nothing like through the legs,

nothing, you know, and like, yeah, here's the tone. And anyone's worked in film, you have the vision board. And she threw the pornography term out there. Like they were trying to just share porn with me without any elaborating that that wasn't the truth whatsoever. So as Justin like systematically responded to each claim, the whole audience goes, wait a second,

were we duped, you know? And the quarter billion dollar emoji, the emoji that was the upside down smiley face which shows sarcasm was redacted from the text messages that was the upside down smiley face, which shows sarcasm, was redacted from the text messages that was Blake Lively's biggest claim, which was Justin's side saying, we can do this, you know, we got her, whatever. Oh, you got me, like, and in fact, she was just being sarcastic because- Wait, wait, wait, wait. Who did the emojis?

It was Justin's PR. People were basically texting back and forth saying, oh, this bad story about Blake, oh, that's the work of us, or whatever, when in fact it was just organic people that had issues with her. And the emoji was to say, obviously we're joking. And then that emoji was not part of the New York Times article to show. And their claim is that when you export these

through a subpoena, the emoji goes away. And it's like, well, the emoji is kind of important. Well, I mean, text messages are just such a huge thing now. And they're like, we want to see your correspondence, this and that. Hence why I'm much, I always am like, if I have an issue with somebody, I'm like, can we talk on the phone?

Always. Now, of course you could still record that, but it wouldn't be able to be used. And I don't know why so many people continue to, like, I know as someone who's older, like, I've been told, like, if I call someone, they're like, that's really aggressive that you like called. Well, I love it. I live in California. You have the time that you're driving. It's like, get all your calls in.

Yeah, so I'm like, I, so I, I, I do talk also because there's been times where I would do like, okay. And people would like go, Heather's a bitch. Like she just wrote okay. And I'm like, you know. Or like the thumbs up emoji responding someone. It's like, I guess I'll go fuck myself. It's a big deal.

Yeah. Like that thumbs up is a, or that, fuck myself. It's a big deal. Yeah. That thumbs up is a or that that upside down emoji is a big deal. Yeah. And how did they get the the text in the first place? How do you get a subpoena when there was no court number yet? So there's a lot of questions that they don't have answers to and the New York Times hides behind like freedom of speech, freedom of press, but at what point did they not do their due diligence? They gave Justin Baldoni 10 hours to respond. I mean, imagine if you got at 10 PM on a Friday to respond. They scrambled to respond by 11 AM the next day.

December 21st, you're baking cookies with your family. They find out, they uploaded the article anyway, and the video to go along with it. So they weren't gonna share his side. And then we also just have to think about the first few weeks of his life just crumbling in front of him. Yeah, and it's like, you know. And William Morris can say, oh, that's not why we dropped them because of, you know, Ryan and Blake. It never

is. But throughout my life in this business, I have seen when someone has been let go from a TV show I've been on, all of a sudden the agent of the host also then dumps that person. Yeah, because they have mouth defeat too. So like they're going to protect Ryan Reynolds at all costs. Even if the boss or even if the more powerful person didn't pick up the agent and say, you better dump my ex-husband or my ex-employee, even if they didn't say it, it happens sometimes to please the bigger star.

Implicit decisions. Right, to please the bigger star. And so it has this effect that there isn't an email that says from Ryan to the agent, you better dump. They'll never find that. There isn't anything like that. And there might not even

been a verbal phone call. It just is like, there's a conflict of interest here and you'd be better served, you know, at some place else. Almost like don't even force Ryan Reynolds to make that call, like do it beforehand. Right, exactly. Ari Emanuel's a billionaire. You don't make 10% off of Justin Baldoni

and become a billionaire. It's the action, it's the Deadpool money. It's like that big international merchandising. And like that's the beast. And yeah, and they're only gonna hire people, like synergize people within the agency and all of the costars and Brandon Sklinar is with WME. And I think he's a good actor

and he's in a lot of hit shows, 1923. So like the guy's on his own like trajectory to be like a Helmsworth style. But they're all tight-lipped. And this is what I hate the most about Hollywood, because there's a lot of things I love about the creativity and collaborations here. But everyone's tight-lipped trying to protect themselves.

And it's like, who's going to have some balls to just say what's right versus jump on on the what's safe to say and then back away. I mean I've seen it happen so many times in my own life just on very tiny scales. But when you do speak out everyone will then DM you afterwards and be like it's so brave of you. Yeah. But they don't have that and you'll be rewarded for it in the long term even if you you know even if he gets blackballed from WME he's got he'll have an audience if he can make a good movie. It'll make its way to the audience.

Yeah. With Ryan Reynolds, I've said this, I'm like, because the Deadpool, I don't know what the deal is, are there like as many that can go on? Could there be like 12 more? They can do, I mean, it's huge. They can just do it forever, right?

And he's gonna make that 10% or whatever it is, the agency's gonna make such a killing off of all future deals and merchandise. And if there's another Deadpool, my kids aren't going to be like, my college-aged sons aren't going to be like, you know what, mom? Absolutely not. Don't put that on Netflix, because I don't think I like how he treated Justin Belden.

The audience isn't the audience that cares. It's like throwing a lawn chair off the deck of a cruise ship. This is an international audience. They're making a billion dollars for a video. He's not gonna be hurt by this. They're gonna have universal rides with the Deadpool. They're gonna like, yeah. I mean, he might be to some extent,

like he'll take a PR hit, but I've always said Blake Lively best thing She can do if she made it all up give a great apology Go take some time off and come back with a nice art house movie people will forgive you like they will people online will say no Way, Dave, that's not the case. Most people are pretty reasonable. They'll say boy whatever you got caught up in. What could she say? like I think she the only thing she could say at this point is, you know, for the sake of my mental health as being a mother of four, I want this chapter to end. And I want Justin to go on and be successful.

And I want to put this movie and everything behind us and therefore I am redact, what do you call it? Redacting, yeah, but I don't think that's enough for him. I don't think that's enough either. So I don't. She has to say, I'll tell you. What does she have to say? I'll give her the million dollars. Tell me what she has to say.

She has to say, I got it wrong. I read his, I read it wrong. I felt triggered by this person who was of lower level than me. Like she has to go full out. He's lower level. He doesn't have as much career like knowledge about the experience.

And here he is directing a scene telling me what to do. I read it wrong. I got triggered. It brought up a lot of bad shit. I see my husband and my best friend as billionaires leading their lives. And I feel like I'm, you know, working at a pay cut on a smaller film,

so, like, that's on me. She has to make it all about her and say, I read it wrong. And when I looked at it from a new light, I realized he was just doing his job, and it's a difficult... Make it about, oh, it's a difficult position that he's directing himself in a sexually charged scene,

and now I realize... I realize now, like, she has to come to these realizations. I mean, I also think she himself in a sexually charged scene. And now I realize, I realize now, like she has to come to these realizations. I mean, I also think she's in a marriage where they have, I do think they'll stay together forever. If they were to break up, it would have happened by now. And she would have used that, like I'm separated from Ryan, Ryan is the one that, like, got weirdly jealous, and to placate him, I kind of exaggerated,

or I, again, misinterpreted something, and it got out of hand, I never wanted to file this thing. I don't think that's going to happen. That would have had to have happened, like, a month ago. It would have been very helpful if this happened, yeah, a month or so ago. But it's not going to. And I think they really are like two peas in a pod. I think they are like completely the same kind of type of person, girl, you know, girl, boy version of each other. And so, yeah, but I don't know how

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Yes, and it gets messy and we are not afraid to be wrong. So please join us over here at Sylvie Bribery available anywhere you get your podcast. You can listen and subscribe for free. For free, Hemi. Yeah, and they say they say like you mature at the level of that where you received your fame. And you know, when you do comedy, you spend years grinding and like learning a lot and losing your ego and all of that. Let's know a little bit about you, but you're a standup.

You guys were here. You have a young wife and baby. And then you started your channel how long ago? I've run my YouTube channel for a very long time, but it started becoming my full-time job during the pandemic. And I started making daily videos, which turned into daily podcasts, now twice daily podcasts.

So now you do stand-up still? Yep. OK, cool. So go on. Yeah, so you just grind it out, and you learn what it's like to be sort of in the background. I worked as an extra on Gossip Girl and Jane the Virgin. You learn what it's like to make $100 a day freezing your ass off

in the winter in New York. And did you have any firsthand knowledge of how they were perceived as stars? Well, my wife worked as a stand-in on the show too, and before we even met. We all kind of worked in the same ecosystem in New York. And we both had the same vibe, which is she looks unhappy. She looked unhappy back then, yeah.

And you give Grace, and you go, well, maybe she's just trying to memorize her lines. But then everybody's got a story about how they were treated. They were like early 20s, but treated as like teens. They kind of played into that rich teen character where the production assistants had to just get off. They would hand out like these video games for them to play. Give us your video games back.

You're going to set. You know how it is with first team. We'd like to invite you to set. Once you get started treated, once you get treated with those white gloves, you start to like think that you've earned it. And I just see that. Because it came so easily from her.

Yeah. And as she says, she's like, I want to be more than an actor. And it's like, I get it. Once you've acted a little bit, you don't get the joy out of just reading somebody's lines. Everyone wants to become a director and have creative control. And that's what comedy is great.

You would never recite a bit from somebody else, even if it was the best bit in the world, is that you want that ownership over it. And so she, whatever dopamine you might get from the quick paychecks of being a TV celeb, that goes away quickly. And it's like filling up that dopamine with the next thing. And she sees Taylor and Ryan as these monoliths

that have done all these great things. And I can understand that being this character who's just like in that movie is not all that challenging for her, but like it doesn't give you the right to have that kind of collateral damage. It's interesting because yeah, the first, the, you know, the first role that she played was like a bitchy entitled girl, privileged girl.

And it was so believable. Also in a simple favor, very believable. I mean, I really liked that movie. And then also he always played like a kind of a cocky dick. And so then they get together. And I also think he thinks he's funnier than he is. And, you know, they had some success with some clever tweets when no one else

was tweeting and I think that she also thinks she's really funny and she's really not. Like his character is is so great because he's like comedy adjacent straight man right yeah and by that I mean who we played on that SNL when he was like why what have you heard that's perfectly his character like right? Yes, and she doesn't pull off comedy outside of what probably her like inner circle She's probably like really funny she in like a mean girl way But when you take that brunch mimosa mean girl funniness and do it in front of like on a panel where you're making fun of Leighton me stir for like your your mom went to prison. It's like that's when you were born in a cage

making fun of Leighton Meester for like, your mom went to prison. It's like that's when- You were born in a cage. Yeah, that's where I'm like, yeah, you think that it's funny and you're not thinking it through that this could be extremely hurtful, painful. I mean, maybe, you know, maybe.

And I'm sure she gets laughs. I just got how she's gonna get out of this. What's that? She's gonna say I had a late in life diagnosis and I'm on the spectrum. Go for it. And I misunderstood social cues and I misunderstood his social cues for something else.

Well, I mentioned postpartum anxiety, but it's like, and people say, well, but she was like this before, sure, but this is the boiling point. This is the flu too close to the sun, whether it's spectrum or some sort of anxiety. The mind ruminating can do crazy things. We're giving her a million outs that are plausible.

The truth is most people aren't psychopaths. Most people don't inflict damage with no feeling whatsoever. It's more of an anxiety and maybe a sociopath. Yeah. But it's like, she probably thought she was in the right. Also, if your spouse is jealous and you know his triggers, whatever, maybe a sociopath, but it's like, she probably thought she was in the right. Also, if your spouse is jealous and you know his triggers, whatever, I think then she may have been like,

oh my God, I am not flirting with him. In fact, he's creeping me the fuck out. And then said things are exaggerated, and then he clocked all that, and did the Deadpool thing and it pissed him off. And then when they believed that there was an active campaign because she's waking up at three in the morning crying about another TikTok and another video that makes her look like an asshole.

And then they go look into it and he's like, F this guy. He doesn't even know. And in the moment she might've felt like oh my hero Ryan and not Really sitting down and really thinking it through. Yeah, and how the public would possibly consume it or not Well, because yeah, he knows he he knows the equity he has in the leverage that can go on behind doors And that's what that initial complaint was don't do all of these things They got Baldoni they got him by the balls to say,

well, you're not gonna come back to set unless you agree to these things. Even though they agreed. Right, so there was that letter, there was the letter before when they took the break for the strike, I guess. And they had, so that is where it does give her some legitimacy, like she did have complaints, right?

But those complaints were not, there was no valid complaint. Like they hadn't even done these intimacy scenes yet. So the complaints were kind of like signed under duress in protest by them because they were saying like, we have to agree to these. Like, of course we wouldn't do these things. The producers you mean.

Yeah. Yeah. And so when they then took that complaint, that was like a big deal to have that and force them to kind of acquiesce and give her all of this control. then took that complaint. That was like a big deal to have that and force them to kind of acquiesce and give her all of this control. And then I don't think any of that was supposed to come public.

That was just leverage. And then when it does go public, it's like, it just blew up. And then they received so much backlash, obviously because Baldoni had the receipts to defend himself. And one of your videos that you did, you got a letter from somebody.

How did you find the letter of someone that actually worked on This Is Us? Not wait, it ends with us. Yeah, those were all just anonymous things posted online. But they did go, there were things posted months before the smear campaign started. Right, that was it. And by the way, I see the smear, I see what what she sees as a smear campaign. I'm like relaying it as like

jujitsu. He's not he knows what she can do to him. So he's getting this crisis management ready. That's jujitsu. It's self defense, right? He's not he's not learning this jujitsu in order to attack her. He's just trying to be ready. So you think he got the team, but never did anything with it. He knew he was going to get, like, me tooed. And he knew what was going to happen. After the premiere. In one way or another, he was prepared that this could happen.

Oh, OK. Because I, and again, I think, assuming that, assuming that she never provides any credible examples of harassment, I think that he knew she had this over his head and at some point, she's in calling Hoover can try to get rights to the film. I mean, the film made a quarter billion dollars.

The second. Yeah, so like if there's a morality clause. Does he still have rights to the second one? I believe so. Okay, and so the morality clause would have been able, if this had gone through and he would have crumbled and walked away, then he would have walked away from the rights to the second one. Yeah.

And then they could have done something with it. She could have played the part. And I've been so generous. All I've said Blake Lively needs to convince me is a text message to her agent, to Ryan, to anybody. I know if my wife's at work and the thermostat's set too cold, I hear about it. Right? You go, oh, it's fucking freezing in here. The lady, you know, you hear about it in the spot. Find me a timestamp from that window of when this would have happened. You know, the HR complaint would be a nail in the coffin, but find some piece of evidence that wasn't afterwards.

Well, I mean, the other thing is when it's when things like that are happening, it's uncomfortable and you don't really share it in the moment and you maybe don't want to share it with your husband at that time. A best friend, agent, like your agent, your sag rep? But I also think in saying that, which will be interesting, is was she saying it to the Jenny Slate who played, you know, the best friend? Was she saying it to Isabella, but was she also saying it to plant the seeds and kind of bitch about the boss, you know what I mean? And Because the young girl Isabella who played her she said she spent the night. She hung out with her. There's videos that people have done

in which she clearly has lent her earrings to wear on the red carpet of hers and kind of like marking her like, you're my little sister niece, whatever. And I've been so wonderful to you. You'll never not go against me. That's why I'm like, I do think it needs to be a trial. Yeah, I mean,

because I do think we need to put all these people on the stand, including Taylor, like Taylor Swift. I think we do. I think we need to have these people deposed. And they're all like being quiet and not saying anything because they don't want to be dragged into this thing. Like they all, they all for the most part commented, Brandon Sklinar did, people commented most part, commented. Brannis Glenar did.

People commented before Justin's response. Saying what? Basically in support of Blake. And then since Justin's response, silence is deafening. If it was bullshit, not one person has been like, hey, this is more nuanced than we thought. And it is like a game of chicken where they cut the brakes. The brakes are cut because they're going full speed and it's a game of chicken.

Who's going to flinch? And Brian Friedman, Baldoni's attorney, is like, we're not settling this one unless you get one of those insane apologies. And the most lawyers that know these things go in 99 percent has to settle like it has to settle. But like, who's going to flinch? Right. That's why we got to work.

And then what would the settlement be for? I mean it's not gonna just be for a hundred grand, it would have to be for millions. I've heard a hundred million. I've heard 50 to a hundred million, which they have. Is what Blake and Ryan would have to offer. Along with a real apology. And it would have to be negotiated,

like this has to be, not like no retracting, like not like, well no, it has to be like, hey, I got it wrong. I don't think that you can convince these two with their personality type to do it. Which makes it crazy. I think it will go all the way. I really do. I hope so for the sake of, I mean,

I hate to say it from like the gladiator perspective, but like it's interesting. And I've said this time and again, and these types of conversations can really annoy the pitchfork mob in some cases where they're like, no, go eff her. It's like, no, if she does apologize, people do. I mean, look at some of the politicians

that have done some crazy shit and apologize. Anthony Weiner's still in this world. There's crazy, apologize, go away to some treatment thing, come back in a couple years, like I said, knock it out of the park with a period piece movie. Go play a different character. And like, you'll be redeemed in one way or another. Audiences will like the comeback, but you have to admit wrong.

You have to stop digging to find your bottom. Right, exactly. And then in this scene, you know, someone said, look, she's biting his bottom lip. And then I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting too, because she had done that one text to him, like always without teeth. I'm like, is she referring to that?

Is she referring to, Hannah, I'll blow you? Like, what was that? And if it does go to trial, you'll be analyzing these moments. And there's gonna be the before the scene, like, you know, they roll before, they yell action, and then afterwards, audio. Yeah, yeah. And then he goes cut, and then he goes and does his thing. But he's like, she she had claimed that, oh, he was speaking to me out of character.

And you know, when you know how it works as like actor director, we've all if you've ever, I've done a make out scene. You did sexy scenes with Ben Affleck at 21. Like you've done all these things. You you were like no I'm good not meeting the intimacy coordinator before. And it's all those things. And yeah, it's all kind of circumstantial but it's not what is the crime? Like what is the lawsuit? Like it's just so.

And look I've been on set pre Me Too and post. Yeah, it has been a big change-Me Too and post. Yeah. It has been a big change where they block off Video Village. And for the people that don't know the difference, like pre-Me Too. Explaining Video Village. Yeah, Video Village is where they'll have like three or four monitors of what's being shot

and the directors around them. But what would happen pre-Me Too is if there's a nude scene, you got the Teamsters are showing up, the crafty guys walking around. All of a sudden the 90% male audience in the crew is just like around set. Lurking. Lurking.

Maybe with their own camera. All that stuff's happening. Now they have the rules where they put up the drapes and they block it off. And I've also been in done intimacy scenes where I'm standing in for someone where there is violence in the scene. And if you don't properly alert everyone to what's going on,

yeah, people do get abused or triggered. I mean, it's dark. You're reenacting monstrous things. Yeah. And you don't have necessarily safe words. But now with intimacy coordinators, they try to get everyone on board. But this is an instance to show,

well, you got to get a little bit more precise. But Justin did the right thing, he's got the audio, the video. I mean, how many times when there's a he said, she said, do you have three cameras rolling? So I don't think that benefits her. She threw the first punch publicly, and it was a solid punch,

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That's Z O C D O C dot com slash juicy. Okay. I also want to talk about this. This was Clayton. He was the bachelor and there was a crazy story about a woman who he dated, who claimed to be pregnant. And you have a big story about it. So tell me, why don't you tell the story? So, yeah. Because some people will remember hearing about the story, remember Clayton, he was on the bachelor probably what, like eight years ago?

Not even, no, post pandemic. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Several years ago, but right at the fall of influencer culture, like didn't get that Matt James bump. He was kind of plucked from obscurity. He was like not a top finisher. And people were like, you know, he was on the show. And afterwards, he had several fake accusations about him.

You know, where he had to prove that he wasn't even in the same time zone as the person who accused him of stuff. Like standard TikTok stuff. Like, oh, I banged the bachelor last night when he was dating Susie and she's like a wedding videographer. So she's at a wedding finding out he's cheating on her. He uses like his GPS from his Fitbit to prove he was in Phoenix when the accusation was in New York. So these are just these are just girls making up lies for fun.

Double down on it. And he was like, don't make me get police involved. So he had already had these accusations. So when this new one comes out, they used too much of her information in the article that it was easy to identify her. They called her a Scottsdale based podcaster who had her own TEDx talk.

They were immediately able to find out it was this lady named Laura Owens. So her story was that he was the father for Unborn Twins. So I cover Bachelor every day. This story wasn't big enough for like the Daily Mail. I mean, but it was in The Sun, which isn't necessarily credible. So they ran with her story. She immediately gets exposed online because the story didn't sound right. And Clayton's response was, hey, we only had a blowjob. And so, you know, they start calling

the turkey baster babies. And so, wait, wait, I just, because the story I remember is, so Bachelor ends, he goes to Scottsdale, he becomes what everybody becomes when you're an influencer and a former reality star, a realtor. He goes to Scottsdale. He becomes what everybody becomes when you're an influencer at a former reality star, a realtor. Yeah. And so he's a realtor. And he is getting some clients

and people calling because they're like, he's hot, he's famous. If I'm going to look for a house, I might as well look with him. Exactly. Right. So which no one no reasonable reasonable person would put their hands of their most valuable, their life savings with someone who just got the real estate license two weeks earlier. So he literally just gets his real estate license. Then they hook up. So then she goes, she calls for him to show her house. Yeah.

And claims like, oh, I've got, I want to actually do like a duplex and something. I have all this money, whatever. And he's trying to, he's like, oh, good. I kind of could have my first sale, please my broker. They, and then they go out and it leads to a BJ, right? Two BJs. In one night, right? One night and maybe the next morning or something like that. Okay. But no, he claims no penetration. Yeah, not even close. So once he shares this story, people go, whoa. And the initial thing in The Sun was how she claimed she called Scottsdale police because she was afraid for the safety of her unborn babies. Very chat GPT soap opera.

So it ends, and he breaks up with her. He tells her, hey, we can't be doing this. And he said her face changed. Which, by the way, I feel like in some ways could be the same thing with Blake, like getting like absolutely triggered by denial. And it can, and it just, and he said her face changed. And then a few weeks later, he got notification from her that she was pregnant and she did test positive on a pregnancy test, very faint positive. And so he sent that to him. Yeah. And so I start covering this as the story comes out.

I immediately get met with, hey, you better cover this fair or I'm gonna sue you. By her? By her. And then we go, all right, we'll cover it fair. But now that it's getting publicity, because people found out who she was, this other lady named Ashley, she's just like badass. She finds Clayton and says,

hey, Laura did this to my now husband or my partner. So they are able to link up and find out that two years previously she said she was pregnant with twins with this other guy whom she also got restraining orders against. After that, we're covering this, oh my gosh, and then Laura Owens is emailing me, that's all private information, I'm gonna sue you, and like you don't know, I had to find out that that's not private. And then we Owens is emailing me. That's all private information. I'm gonna sue you and like you don't know I had to find Out that that's not private and and then we find out Mike Maricini from 2016 She claims she was pregnant with not just some random guy, but it's just this all-star of a guy He's like he's now just not famous. He's just like a tech bro in San Francisco

Okay, and she claimed all these crazy things about him and she made a TedX talk where she was a victim of DV because of him. And we don't we start piecing this all together. She ends up suing me for harassment. She did file a lawsuit. She filed an injunction against harassment which she later dropped hours before we were supposed to be in court with the agreement that I wouldn't solicit anyone to hurt her and then two hours later... Where did you have to go to court for it? It would have been the LA court but I at this point I had moved to Texas to Tennessee so I was negotiating with my attorney to basically like I was ready to show up I had my refundable tickets ready to go and then she backed

out last minute. So did you have to spend money on an attorney? I spent ten thousand dollars but here's what's here's what's interesting and this is why the audience is like the main character here. As Clayton was going through his trial, we found out that it was being live-streamed. Family court, live-streamed, like little video. Maybe it was just- So now they're in court where he's proving

I am not the father. He's trying to prove he's not the father. And are there real babies around yet? She's pregnant, so she shows up to court with a bump. But it's a fake bump. Yes, and she's doing a teleconference. So she's showing up. She's afraid to go in person.

So she's literally there standing up on a standing desk for an hour and a half hearing, rubbing her belly. And there's video of her moving the belly. And we're measuring fights. Is it the same one that Beyonce had? Remember Beyonce's belly when they first child first child? Well it was, this was robust and we were measuring fundal height. You had nurses like trying to measure and look and she's, it's wild right?

So we're watching this play out. Clayton they had to delay, they couldn't get through the hearing because it was like so much information. So they were like, we have to come back in a week. And I text him and I go, dude, we watched that. That was insane. And he's like, wait, you were in there? He didn't know it was being live streamed. So he was defending himself and doing a good job for a non-lawyer, but they were objecting to things. He didn't have the proper sort of way to communicate in his defense. I was like, dude, we got to help you.

Let us get some money together. So we did a GoFundMe, raised 10 grand like that for him. Really? Oh my God. We hired Greg Woodnick, the attorney that represented the previous victim, Greg Gillespie. Now Greg- Her previous victim. Yeah.

So Greg Woodnick knew everything about her already because he represented a client who had the same allegations, but it wasn't a public, like a famous person. So their case didn't really go anywhere. Greg Woodnick, the attorney, was accused of conspiring to R-word her in an alley. She emailed the attorney back when it was Greg Gillespie going to trial. She emailed the judge, excuse me, saying, I fear that he's trying to do this. And she accused the lawyer of these crazy things. He had never met her in person before.

And the judge said, you cannot do this. Like, you have to do this through the court system. So the judge made that email public. So you can see the emails of her going, you know, full, like, nuke on these people. She did the same thing to me. She called the FBI on me, accusing me of revenge porn. I'd never seen a naked photo of her. I never shared any. I've only shared her belly bump that she tried to share with people. She did the same thing to me. She called the FBI on me, accusing me of revenge porn. I've never seen a naked photo of her. I've never shared any. I've only shared her belly bump that she tried to share with people. Basically, she claims I'm no longer pregnant. So they were like, well, the

paternity cases moot. That's done. But we have to argue over who's going to pay the bill. So they still take it to trial. And she gets subpoenaed. Eight different medical people she was supposed to have seen. They all turn up, no one saw her. The only medical evidence she has was the HCG test she sent me. And I didn't know what it meant at the time because I was in the Maldives on my baby moon, but I go through the documents.

Her public HCG test is a 102, which is like day two of being pregnant. The HCG test she sent me was 143,000, and that's the level of hormone that's in your body, which means you're pregnant. So she doctored it, and she later admitted to this in her deposition. She doctored it to try to get me off of her back, but she says I was still pregnant. So no one knows how she tested positive for pregnancy, other than she could have driven to Mexico

or bought horse fertility drugs. Who the hell knows? But she knew she could pee on a stick and test positive with multiple of these men, even though she only gave a couple blowjobs. So Mike Maraccini, the final nail in the coffin, is her attorney's claiming he's a liar. Now, he's been harassed, accused of all of these things for years. He was like just accused of being this monster of a guy with no resolution. But now because there's light on the store because of Clayton, Mike goes, you know what? He was like, I actually have text messages from her I forgot I had. And we're like, what? He's like, yeah, I got this old laptop. And we're like, oh my gosh. And her lawyer got her to do an affidavit,

which is like a signed statement saying, I never faked these things. And he goes, no, you said you had ovarian cancer. So we knew like we had to do this the right way. So we raised another five grand, hired a forensic expert, a guy that they bring to trial for like government forensics. He was in the military and I was like, don't even open your laptop.

Now, are you doing this all or are you talking to Clayton every day? I communicated with him and with the other victims but this is like driven by the audience. Like they're able to find the needle in the haystack. I could never find it. I mean, he must be so incredibly grateful to you. Yeah, in the whole community.

And so we get the laptop. And Mike's like, I'm afraid to open this laptop. It's connected to my iCloud. Maybe it all goes away. And I was like, yeah. So he gets it to the forensic guy, and they find like 4,000 pages. They verify every text message.

She faked ovarian cancer. She faked the doctors who were writing her letters claiming she had ovarian cancer. One of the letters from the doctor, and they were real doctors, but she faked it all. One of the letters was like, we think that in order to recover from this surgery, your boyfriend should spend time with you. Like those types of things.

Bat shit crazy. But in the moment, when you're panicked, your rational brain shuts off. So in the moment, this is like insane. She also faked being an agent like a lit agent. She faked her her father's agent this guy like I don't know David I don't remember his name but it was a Jewish guy and she said you know she said there's a podcast they want us to do a radio show they want me and you to do Lauren Laura and Mike that's gonna pay you four hundred thousand dollars a year. So she like was coercing these men to stick around with contracts. So she went from radio contract to real estate contract.

So when it comes to Clayton, he tried to run away from her, and then she complained to the real estate board because he didn't submit an offer she wanted because technically he was still her agent. And he's like, just get her away from me. I've had this job for three weeks. Right. He tells his boss, just get her away from me. I've done this job for three weeks. Right. He tells his boss in there, like,

it's just a fantastic story. So how did it finally end? She lost and owes him $150,000. Just to court fees. And she's now filing an appeal. Her attorneys had like probably over five or six bar complaints against him, including one from the judge,

because the attorney started talking mad shit about the judge. And we were all there. Like I was in Arizona, about 100 people showed up. I reported live from it. Like we followed this thing to the end because this dude is like, he messed with the wrong, like he really did mess with the wrong people. Because like the bandwidth in today's world is like, I will continue to make content and monetize this and fund my innocence

along with these other men as long as I need to. And you know, some people in the bachelor world are always being obsessive, but like I had the threats of these crazy things against me. So I had to prove without a shadow of doubt that I'm doing like real journalistic work here when no one else would. And this is the problem in like today's world

is there is no small media. There's no local newspaper. People get away with things until it's too big. And she just slid under the radar. And I always say the irony is she flew too close to the sun, which is hilarious because it was in an article in the sun. But it was like she flew too close to the sun. She outpunted it.

She just went too far and got some publicity. And folks like me and my audience stopped it. It's fascinating. I'm so fascinated. I mean, people would send, you know, sent me this story when it was happening and everything and I was like, Oh my God, I agree with you. This should be a documentary if it's not already in the works. They're fighting over it. But she's still going to sue me for emotional distress. She sued Greg Gillespie for emotional distress. Right now she's lost it.

But didn't win. No, but like it still cost him a lot of money. And I'm like, whatever, I'll pay in two seconds to defend myself. But like she's lost a bunch of weight. So she lost the emotional distress suit to Greg Gillespie because she didn't have any like receipts of why she was distressed because of him.

It was all like loosely connected. So now she's, she learns and evolves her lawsuits. So the most recent thing is her father has like Parkinson's. And by the way, her sister had a baby the previous year. So she stole ultrasounds from her sister. She sent us video of her father touching her belly, which we were able to find out it was her sister's belly, like because we were like match moles. You know what I mean? Like the internet, she sent me a

video of her dad in the hospital rubbing her pregnant belly. But when you look at it on a desktop, the video shows like from the nose down, not the chin down. So we were able to see that it was her sister. And like ever since I kind of caught her on all this, she just like, she still plays victim. But have you ever thought about just filing a lawsuit against her for emotional distress of all the shit She's put you through and and then go stress like stress her out Well, the truth is the truth is the victory so I'm happy to just be on the right side but it was it it it Taught me a lot about myself and my audience and they're like with me for life

And that's why they're so loyal because yeah They saw that like we were just trying to do our best and she hassled me. She she emailed all these other podcasters That's why part of my beef with Nick Fiel is he says like well We covered the case Clayton tried to get Nick to cover the case for months He needed the help in October and Nick covered it in January like when it was safe to cover it So she was already sending everybody like basically cease and desist saying if you, and people have sent them to me like, if you share this, I will sue you.

And I was like, fuck you, we're gonna share the truth here. How am I gonna let, and this is what you learn about like some aspects of reality TV, everyone's in it for themselves. I come from like a sports world. Comedians back each other.

I knew like if I really ended up getting sued I could probably try to call on other comics to like who have bigger platforms to like help me out But in the bachelor world there were few few creators that would cover it my friend Caitlin Bristow Had me on God bless her from off the vine Yes, and shared her audience like so certain people have that justice mindset But coming from Greek life, right? Where people help each other, unions, SAG, you help each other.

In this instance, it's everyone else and myself. Almost nobody wanted to defend Clayton, even though they knew the truth. And I was like, I'm sorry. I used whatever sort of political equity I had within my community and audience to try to pressure people to cover it, got me in some trouble because people were like,

man, fuck you, we don't need to cover his, we don't need to fix his mess. But I'm like, this is wrong. We're watching something happen that's just wrong. And the audience got that, even though they're, they're Clayton's peers. So what's Clayton doing now? I think he's got a podcast and he does fitness,

he's a real strong guy. He was like, played pro briefly, so he does fitness. He's a real strong guy who's played pro briefly. So he does a lot of fitness stuff. And I think he's just trying to get his story told. There is some things in the works, I'll tell you afterwards, but that will lead to documentaries. I mean, is he just so grateful to you? I think so.

Yeah, I think so. Well, I think he should be more so. Yeah, but I got my thing out of it, which is like, I got the proof that like, well, you know what's interesting is, there was a lawyer that, or a journalist that interviewed me for what I think is gonna be a hit piece on the Blake Lively case.

And his biggest thing, and he was very, and I recorded the whole thing, cause it's like a one party record state in Tennessee. So I was like, I need this in case like, he tries to twist this. And he was like, why do you think people deserve to like care what you have to say about cases? Like what gives you the power to be someone who has like an opinion? And I was like, well, I was threatened with a $120 million lawsuit and I proved myself to be telling the truth.

So like, I think there's some credibility there. And that's all we have, right? Is our batting average. We'll get something wrong. Every once in a while I have a bad take, we get something wrong. But it's all about, in the content world, what's your batting average of trying to get it right? And with this case, I just kind of was the patsy

who got stuck in the middle of it because that's what I cover. But what a fraud I would be if I didn't cover it. Right, but it is a very, for me, it's very stressful when I've been in those situations, and I have. And you know that you're right, and you know you will prevail,

but you do wake up in the middle of the night, and you're like, wait, what? Worst case scenario, this is pretty fucking awful. You really get to feel what the panic, like in your DNA, we have this survival mentality. And here I am like late 30s, finally got to buy a home. Like you know how it is, the grinding comedy. Finally four years of chugging on YouTube,

finally got to buy a home and now I'm getting threats like a month after I closed on this home that she's gonna graze her horses on my property. And he called us all these crazy names and like all the, and he did it all publicly and then private emails to me. So she's still just living in the parents' house. Yeah.

And the appeals in the process. Oh, so then afterwards we do a campaign kind of like how we got on your show here today. I told my audience, I was like, let's reach out to Rachel Mitchell. She's the county prosecutor. Laura Owens is being investigated by the county prosecutor right now for different crimes. So even though she was flying under the radar in this family court, you can't lie like that. And not many people get charged with perjury, even though there's clear perjury, but it might come down to maybe some of the medical crimes, some of the medical fraud that she

committed. She admitted to like doctoring images and placing different, you know, laboratories. This is like the ultimate like, you know, dirty John, but a dirty Jane. Like, because it's not, it's like, women who get taken by like a dirty John, like for money or whatever, they're always, it's always just like weird and embarrassing. And men that get taken by a woman, it's like, well, you should have known that this young thing was a gold digger. But this kind of scam that women do,

faking cancer, faking pregnancies, which faking- Those are the two things they fake because no one wants to ask questions. And also faking pregnancies, that's been happening since biblical times. But you know what kind of like- You know, like, women do it. Can you imagine the day though where I had the ultimate attention.

I had to get on my YouTube and say, I think she's going to fake a miscarriage next. I had to say it before it happened because it's crazy. And again, by the way, nobody in my audience knew that my wife was pregnant at the time because this was back in October, right? We didn't announce it yet. So like I'm learning a lot about how all of the medical things work and ultrasounds. Also you going forward though, you had to 100% believe what Clayton said and that he did not possibly ejaculate inside of her inside of her vagina. The evidence led to that. So I just, all I was doing is following the evidence and I was like, I'll change my mind. But where's the ultrasound?

And she ended up showing some, I mean, she ended up providing some Photoshopped evidence that was brutal, that it was so way too late, but never death certificates, never. She stole all, she committed fraud. And just how they pick how someone who has multiple victims chooses that victim over and over again. Yeah, it's just it's three active protective orders they all have against them still.

And there's other victims, Matt, there's a guy named Sean, a Native American contractor, a non-sexual victim that like she duped out of $100,000 worth of construction work. Yeah, there's... And it's really hard because, you know, people see it as, like, a victimless crime because it's a guy and you dated this crazy bitch and so what. Like, it's hard to get, like, a prosecutor excited about something like this. There's bigger things, yeah.

There's always bigger things. No one was murdered, you know, like whatever. And that's why they get away with it for so long. That's why the Scamanda podcast and documentary, this girl lied about cancer on and off for 15 years until she finally got caught. And tor don't come forward. And tormented, like, the mother of her stepdaughter along the way. Like, it is just... But you're right. It's when... And that's why when I like to expose, like, wow, this Jay Shetty's origin story is not true.

It's not fucking true. And, like, I had the journalists from that story, and I was like, God, nobody cares. Yeah, the Ruby Frank story, people, the journalists were smearing all of the content creators that ended up exposing child abuse. No, look, people get it wrong, right? There's plenty of TikTokers that get it,

like the Boston bombings, everyone was going after like every dude that had a backpack on, right? Like the internet sleuths can get it wrong, but like they get it right too. And we need to bes can get it wrong, but like they get it right too. And we need to be able to like take the, take when they get it right. Yeah, but I'm saying there's certain stories

where I'm like, I can't believe people don't care more about this. Like if I, if I do it in my one of 10 stories, and then I like the next morning I'm like, oh, people are gonna be like excited about knowing that, you know, the Mel Robbins story of Let Them came from this girl Cassie Phillips who came up with this poem and then and still some people will be like it doesn't

matter Heather like you let them run around forever and she just marketed better and I'm like that's okay but she should have said that like she should have said I saw this poem or give her credit or not try to, um, not try to trademark it. Like I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying like, look, look, this is, we've seen this thing happen over and over and over again, where this person becomes so hyped up and da da da da. And then it's just, it's interesting to watch,

like doing the show for almost 10 years. I'm like, okay, let's see where, let's see where she is. And I don't have like a big thing against her, you know? Like if she wanted me to come on her show right now, I would, but I would say, why don't you give this girl a little more credit, you know? But that's the democracy of comedians, right? If someone steals a joke, yeah, sometimes you,

oh, we were talking about the same thing, whoops. But right? If someone steals a joke, yeah, sometimes you, oh, we were talking about the same thing, whoops. But you know when someone stole a joke. All the comics know you shunned that person. But if someone's funny, even if they're hacky, you're like, hey, they got a standing ovation. What do you want? It's a clear cut, there's justice.

And we kind of have unionized on protecting, I hate to say it, but the art of it all. But the art of it, but the people that aren't that, they don't care. They're like, well, you know what? I don't think the joke was funny when you said it either. Like, no, no, okay. That happened on America's Got Talent

where they wanted to give one comedian's joke to another comedian. Cause they're like, no, that's not how it works. And they're like, wow, we don't get it. What's the big deal? Like they don't, you don't always understand. It's like, that's all you have. Wait, OK.

This is a good story. So I was testing for this pilot. And actually, Eliza got it over me, Eliza Schlesinger. But anyway, so this is a long time ago, like over 10 years ago. And Howie Mandel was there. And I was like, oh my god, we love, my kids and I love watching America's Got Talent.

And he's like, what do you think of this comedian that's doing well? And I go, oh, it's funny that you say that. I go, because she does a lot of the same impressions I do. And then I go, oh, but I'll predict that she will do Heidi Klum soon or whatever, you know. And he goes, what do you think? I go, well, I'm like, a lot of people can do the same impressions.

I think the comedy comes if you can come up with the person you're doing the impression of a really funny point of view that is their point of view, but also like it's the writing because a lot of people can do Drew Barrymore or whatever like I could do. And so then anyway, so I don't get it. Eliza gets the pilot and then my agent of the time calls and is like, hey, they want to know if you'll write for her and they're going to pay you $250 or something. I'm like, I am a headlining comedian. Yeah, comedians would never pitch that to another comic. And I was like, and this girl is doing the similar impressions. I'm like, no, I'm not getting for, and you think I need $250?

Let me help her pass me. Yeah. Yeah, and after I just didn't get the hosting thing to pilot, I was just like, the fact that you're asking me, you should have never asked me. It's so insulting that you even asked me. And then it pissed me off too because they made a big deal out of the fact that she stayed home with her kids instead of pursuing the art of standup.

And Howard Stern is like, oh, of course, that's so amazing. You're such a good mother. So now that you're having this huge opportunity at 40, whatever, and I was like, that pissed me off too. Versus the grind you've been on. Yeah, because I'm like, yeah, guess what? I didn't, I missed the fucking baseball game while I like worked on this.

But somehow, oh, let's just like, and then let me like write this, and the girl is I don't even remember her name and she's perfectly talented she might still be pursuing it she might not it doesn't matter yes how they frame the story it was just kind of like I was so I should have taken five years off like no like yeah like 20 years yeah I should have just stayed home comedy showed up on America's Got Talent but of course that's all the show and you know

it's all and honestly in today's in today's world, you can't. Yeah. You know, I can pass. I can sell more tickets than someone who did five Conan O'Brien's. Yeah. It's like it doesn't have the equity it used to. Right. But like, you know, comedy, you're supposed to make it look easy.

So people go, oh yeah, what's the big deal? I just, yeah, I, that's something that took a lot of work to get to that point. Right. Yeah. And you know, it's true. All these people now do their live shows or whatever. And I'm like, good. Let's true. All these people now do their live shows or whatever. And I'm like, good. Let's see if you're still doing your live podcast tour

or your Q&A like four years from now. Let's just see, but make your money. But I'm like, make your money way you can make it because it's fleeting. You know, if you've been on these reality shows, we see it. It's like, some people can make it last. But I even said to Nick, I was like, what happened to all those bachelor podcasts? There were like 20 and they were all on I

Heart. How many are left? They were just bad. I mean, they were bad. And he's like, I don't know how many are left. I think there's like three. I mean, if you want to count him, Caitlin, and then like maybe there's two others that are like hanging on. And I'm just like, that's fine. But I'm just like, yeah, but I'm just like yeah so go make your money way you can make it. When you're exporting the drama like when what you have is like if you're Tom Sandoval what you have is like one good interview after Sandoval then you don't have anything but when you're doing what you do like commentary you can replicate because you're creating the commentary

you're not exporting the drama that happened to you. Yeah. So you'll find these big podcasts that are like huge. I mean, when Rachel Kirkconnell went on Call Her Daddy, it had like. And that's Matt James's ex-girlfriend. It's like a cultural moment. And he was also the bachelor. Yeah. And it had like 50 to 100000 people watching live. It was insane. But then like, you know, you tell the story and then that's it.

The story's over and it takes the wind out of the sails. So a lot of the bachelor. Yeah, she's you know, you tell the story and then that's it. The story's over and it takes the wind out of the sails. So a lot of the bachelor. Yeah, she's, you know, she's cute and everything. I, yeah, I kind of, I now I think like, save your story for yourself. Save it for your book. Like save it, like, you know, but also, you know, of course she wanted a good one and she,

it was therapeutic, whatever. But yeah, like where is she now? I'm super talented as a designer and in fashion. So like she's collaborating Rachel is yeah designs her own swim line So like it's not she's not a podcaster But she's got like a thing and was one of the last people to get a big audience from the show It's like you don't get that if you have 40,000 Instagram followers like you don't get those collab deals that she gets, because she was in the last like-

Wait, Rachel, Matt James' girlfriend is a bikini designer? She's designed some of her own bikinis and does different fashion collaborations. Oh, good for her, because I just thought she decided to be the girl that's constantly eating with him. I didn't know that she had any of those going. And I was like, how is this girl staying so thin?

She has to constantly eat fried food with him. She went through a crazy experience and it definitely changed, I think, who she is. I just came across on TikTok, like him like barking at her about making the, putting the ketchup in the ranch or whatever. And people like use that as a sound. And they're just like, I'm forever triggered by Matt James.

And I'm like, to me, I think he's done. Well, I don't know, with those, you don't know what's serious and what's not, because it's like, is this some sort of Andy Warhol? Like, you don't know what it is. And yeah, they're just so lucky that they were on the show when you could get a million followers. The post-Hannah Brown, Tyler Cameron world,

you don't get that now. So it's like your opinion, like sure, like he does good with his social media with his foodie stuff, but like so do a million people that don't have a following. It's like, so you get this audience and then you try not to lose it because once you're done,

like once you go through the breakup, audiences go, all right, unfollow, we're done following that story. Like what can you bring to the table then? So like it's good when you can parlay it and keep it going. Do you think like the younger people now know like maybe don't go on The Bachelor?

Like it's not a good thing to go on? Cause I like, I do think it is kind of a weird, like I went on a show called Studs. And for a long time, I regretted that. Because I felt it turned off guys that I went on. Just a one night dating show. I didn't sleep with anybody. It was just a, it was a strip show.

And it was like two, there were three girls and two guys and you all went on a date and the guys had to guess what you were saying after and the producers like help write it. And then if you each pick each other, you supposedly go on a date and the guys had to guess what you were saying after and the producers like, help write it and then if you each pick each other, you supposedly go on another date, whatever. And I was just like, you know, and I always thought that watching Bachelor, like is that's gonna hurt your dating life later on to be taken seriously?

And also now you have this first engagement that's not gonna be your engagement with someone else. It doesn't count. And like, is this really, like I would definitely not want my kid to, I used to joke and say, like, I wanted my kids, my sons to be the bachelor or whatever. Now I really wouldn't. The show is so dead right now. It doesn't deliver the way it used to be the Cinderella story.

And now because like the post pandemic, people got a little, little kind of wild and like, you couldn't do like, you'd get cancer, like I hate to say the term canceled, but you would get a lot of feedback and angry people if like you do the wrong thing. So like all of a sudden guys like Matt James are like, no one's hooking up in the fantasy suite. You know, they like, they make it, they kind of know to protect themselves.

And I think the audience, if they just let them be a science experiment and let them be, science experiment and let them be go with your craziest desires, it would make for better TV. So now you're watching shows like we talked before, Temptation Island, which is like if every episode was a fantasy suite times four, because there's four couples that are all dating hot people, and then they get to see cameras of what's happening. So like you try to like to not like cheat on your partner.

And then all of a sudden you see your partner selectively grinding with someone, and then you're like, well, after that, and then within three episodes everyone's hooking up, and you're like, oh, it's just crazy. How does the Bachelor compete with that? I know, and I'm thinking, and I'm like, and your parents are all watching this?

Insane. Well, there was this Spanish version that went viral a few months ago, where the guy watches his love of his life cheat, and he's like, and I don't even speak Spanish, but I could understand, he was like, poor K. He's running around, they're fighting and then trying to kiss. And it went super viral because it was insane to watch. And I don't know how anyone who works on those shows sleeps at night because it's horrible,

but they sign up for it. Like they know what they're getting into. So Netflix now runs Temptation Island. I don't know who used to have it but Netflix does a good job and it's like no FCC rules. None of this bullshit bachelor on ABC Disney-fied stuff. It's like legit insanity and you're watching it play out and like it's feeding this inner thing in all of us. It's like a safe space for us to feel these feelings without being the monster that did them.

So who are all these girls that will go on it? Are they like all OnlyFans chicks and they're like why not? Every relationship is like on the fritz. It's like we've dated for a year and a half. No, but like the temptresses. They're just young. They're young for the most part and I think- And just have nothing else going on? Yeah. And even though you have all of these experiences where like people get burned, you're still like, hey, yeah, I don't have much going on. I'll do

it. And that's what the I mean, no one makes money on The Bachelor. But the lead, they all go on for free. They get so they get so exposed. They don't even get that's why nobody has like good jobs or anything. Like, no one really is a cat. Any bro that's working a normal job is like their job for two months from finance or that's why they need to they need to open up their wallets and pay someone like a Rachel Kirkconnell to come on, which she wouldn't. But like, Maria Georgiou was like perfect contender.

She's like, look, why do I want to go on the show, sign a two-year contract? You're going to pay me $125,000. After all of the agency and taxes, I'm going to get $50,000 when I could just do a Taco Bell ad read. So for two years, you're under their contract, and you can't do any work outside of that.

So why go on when you can just make your own money and not have to deal with all of the feedback you get from the show? And people have to be honest. I've only experienced a tiny percentage of what it's like to be snarked on online. But they go through a very difficult situation that nobody is willing to admit

because they get some followers out of it. So now you take those followers away, which they're not really getting many. I think this season, no one's got more than 40,000 followers, and it's like, who wants to do it? So they're gonna have a hard time finding people. And if you don't have good cast, the show's worth nothing. And then these other little niche shows

are just running circles. What do you think will happen? Do you think they will just pay people like 30 grand to do it? I honestly don't- Like each contestant will get, I always think it should be you get paid more just like a Dancing with the Star the longer you stay. Which would be great, but yeah. So if you make it to the end, then you walk away.

And then you're also your motivation is to really make this guy fall in love with you. And whether that's true or not, who cares? You want the TV to, you know? Yeah. So, I mean, that's what I think I would do. I'd be like, look, there's all these unemployed Gen Z people. Why don't you go on the show, see if you can't find love?

And worst case scenario, you minimum make 10 grand to somebody out of school. That's a big deal. And they got to be on TV. That's what they're gonna have to do. They're gonna have to pay reality stars more. They just are. And that's just capitalism, right? Like good people don't wanna go on, pay them more,

and be a little bit looser with the contracts they can sign. Because, yeah, no one wants to go, like they can't, what do you, like no one would wanna go on that. People can make a lot of money doing their own thing. And also, they're kinda lazy with how they find these people. Like, they, it's like want to go on that. People can make a lot of money doing their own thing. And also, they're kind of lazy with how they find these people. Like, they let people submit. They need to go find the right people that are, like,

the chaotic people in their own scene doing their fun thing. Right, yeah. Do a good job of finding people, and you can resurrect the show. I mean, you get two hours a week for, like, nine months out of the year, six months out of the year, where ABC has a show to run. So, like, they don't even, ABC doesn't even care

if it loses money, because it's just like a time slot to fill. So it's not even like the show could succeed even with a smaller audience, but you're seeing, I mean, they just like let a couple producers go. There was this whole issue with like they need an original, like unique, fresh take on the show. And not like I'll pay you 20 bucks if you throw someone's like purse in the water like audiences are smarter than that like they're done with the contrived stuff oh like the little dumb fights yeah so so I don't think I mean the show will die if they don't do that they the only reason they

could get people on the show as contestants is the reward of Bachelor in Paradise which they took away last year Bachelor in Paradise is coming back this year okay but they canceled Bachelorette so it's like what's gonna is the reward of Bachelor in Paradise, which they took away last year. Bachelor in Paradise is coming back this year, but they canceled Bachelorette. So it's like, what's going to take off? People love Golden Bachelor, but then Golden Bachelorette was a dud. It's so reliant on like an all-star lead grant,

isn't really giving much. I mean, I think it's just hard for guys. I remember when they first started the Bachelorette, I was like, I don't think this is going to work. I don't think guys will try and care that much to get the girl. And it's true that they did it. On the Golden Bachelorette, they became friends. They've become friends on the other stuff. They are like, it's not really in their M.O., but girls, like, cutting each other's throats and wanting to be with a guy as pathetic as it is

Exists and it's more believable. So I would say yeah Don't bring back the bachelorette. That's why paradise is so good because it's like oh, you don't want me I'll go to that guy and there's more and that's why more relationships come out of paradise because there is more friction to now I feel like paradise has a lot of competition when it's the Temptation, the Love is Blind, the whatever, Hot Island or whatever. People want to watch the sexy, like, love, like... Wait, which one did Ariana host of? Oh, that was I think Love Island.

Oh, Love Island. Yeah, those shows, they're all like super sexy. They're shot well. Even FBoy Island was shot in a really sexy way. Whereas Bachelors, like's blurring their butt cracks and it's on network TV, it's just really no longer, we're not really expecting these relationships to work out, but sometimes they do until they don't,

but boy, their batting average is like 4% workout, brutal. All right, what do you think, we're gonna end this here, what do you think about Meghan Markle's new show and what's the prediction? I've heard the negative takes and I can just go back off of my wife's feedback. She loved it. My wife doesn't like to watch the drama that fuels me. I listen to podcasts where there's five dudes yelling at each other. She just likes like the NPR, highly sensitive person thing.

So for her to watch a mom cut onions is like, that's what she's into. And I think that's the market. Yeah. I mean, I think there is for all of that. Just like, you know, it's like, well, it's not for you then, you know, if it's, um, I can see why she did it. You know, people like, why did she do this? And it's like, why doesn't somebody ask her, ever bummed that you left the palace?

No, she's not bummed that she left the palace, because I've been saying this a long time. She's a California girl. She got there. And what she said was true. They were they were staying in a cold place. It wasn't as fun as she thought. The obligations were sucky and boring. And it was like, so what? And I'm not even going, yeah, and I'm not, and like, where is this going to go? And then I think she was like, or we can go to Santa Barbara and be the Kardashians and like own our own shit and get away from like, I'm not saying what she experienced wasn't real

and difficult and hate and all that. I think it was all true. And she had every right to convince her husband to get the fuck out of England. I mean, how many women have like made their husband leave the hometown to go near their mother? I mean, like that's what she basically did. She went back to LA where her mom lived.

Like that is, I mean, how could you, the Royals and their brothers are broken up? And I'm like, but if you think about it, and this is the first time I've ever said it, like this has happened in families when, that's why people say, if you have a, wait, if you have a son, he's your son until he meets his wife, but if you have a daughter, she's your daughter for life.

It's, you know, it's people even say that, like, you know, the nicer grandma is the mom's mom or who you see more. I mean, my situation wasn't really like that, but growing up, it was my mom's mom that visited more. And then, you know, like, and I have sons and I hope that it's not like that I have a great mother-in-law but it's like it's the same type of thing like you have kids and you end up living closer to your mom or the mom moves in like that is just yeah and I and I think people

are so mad that she like you know and and now we're gonna get it now people are gonna be like and I've also gotten it like you are so mean what what did she do to you? I don't care. She's still making a lot of money and just like someone that goes and does a podcast tour that's never been on stage before and you all go to see it, you know? Go make your money when you can make your money. And it's like-

Meghan Markle didn't kick anyone off Netflix. It's unlimited bandwidth. They hired her because- I'm a- And It's an easier job to go down the street and do some little cute cooking things than to learn the lines for Grey's Anatomy. Like it is just an easier, less time consuming job. And then of course now she's doing a new podcast and this big oh, she's gonna interview, you know female founders of you know Female bosses. I'm like, oh We get the Spanx girl. Like we haven't heard the Spanx girl story. I know the story of the Spanx girl Oh, then we get the other girl that did you know? Oh, we get the foster sisters, you know who created their brand

Again came from money, or we get somebody that came from nothing and started making, putting hot sauce into honey and called it hot honey. I don't know, like, whatever. But I'm like, I'm listening to it, and it's like, and it's an eight episode series. I'm like, that's the podcast?

Eight episodes as I've like gone and shugged along and done it all the time? I heard in her first podcast, they had, I don't know if this is true, but I think the theory was that they would have a producer ask the questions of the guest, and then she would then tape herself asking the questions and they would intersplice it afterwards.

So she wasn't even actually interviewing some of the guests. It came out that, yeah, some of the guests were never in the same room with her. I'm like a pro, go get your money. Or even the same Zoom. Get your money, do whatever you want. I look at, we all have these parasocial relationships. My mom loved Princess Diana.

She just grew up with that. She was just like a, she seemed like a remarkable woman. And Prince Harry is my age. And imagine losing your mom in one way or another because of the paparazzi and that toxic culture You don't I don't think you outgrow that and for him like none of us know what it's like to be under that Public scrutiny from such an early age where like he was begging to go off to school where he could just be himself I mean imagine your son like imagine just just that thirst and then he meets somebody who has no idea about the royal family. He probably loved it. She was like, oh.

She pretended to have no idea. Yeah. But, and again, however the relationship works or doesn't work. Right. I like, I stood in on suits for the pilot before it moved to Vancouver. They shot it in New York.

And like, she was a normal person. Like, everyone was just trying to remember their lines. But like you said, they're shooting 12, 14 hours a day. They got to remember six pages of complex, like, legal lines. And you know, like, there, they're shooting 12, 14 hours a day. They've got to remember six pages of complex, like, legal lines. And you know, like, there was a really, like, every actor on that show had someone they hired to, like, help them with their lines

because it was so aggressive. Who wants that? I mean, I don't, like, you know, I just think that people were fascinated by her. And like a Blake, you know, like a Hilaria, you find out some things that seem to be inauthentic and you turn on her because women are like, you know, why should she have all these opportunities?

I can make a rainbow out of fruit. I can interview a woman on a podcast. I mean, I get the hate too from women that sometimes I think are like, why Heather, she mispronounces someone's name all the time. Like, why should she be making any money? And if you get to this level where you're under that scrutiny, that's part of, I guess, sadly, like the collateral issues of getting to live your dream.

And I always just say, hurt people, hurt people. And I think a lot of snark I do think Yes, men are brutal men will tell each other to go kill himself Oh women will tell you why to kill yourself. Yeah, and like men are tough. Like I listen to sports talk radio They're brutal. Yeah, but women you guys have mastered the art of getting under people's skin with the with the snark pages and stuff Like that's the jealousy and I don't know what it is. It's like sad. It's why I always say why we're not further along. It's like...

And I'll probably get a lot of hate for even generalizing right there. Right. But who cares? But, I mean, I say, yeah, you can get away with just doing eight episodes. Good for you. They're gonna give you $100 million to do eight episodes.

Fucking good for you. I'm surprised. So you can spend more time with your kids. You don't need to work as hard as I do. Then don't. We have an American that stole the prince. I'm surprised they're not more loved, but maybe that's just like the pendulum swinging back. Well, I think nobody really cares about him now either.

Like it was- But like William, but his older brother was like the bootlicker who's stuck by the family secrets. Like I see Prince Harry and sure he's gonna make some, he's an old millennial. Like my generation, we kind of like were the first onto Facebook and had to navigate this weird, it was just different.

And he's like one of the most famous people from that generation, these old millennials, who like dude tried his best, he lost his mom. Like you see the photos of him with his mom. And I just see the inner child, even as a grown adult. I see that inner child who, like, was robbed of just... Well, I mean, I feel like she... We brought her, like...

I was so excited about the wedding. Like, I feel like everyone loved it. They loved that she was biracial. They loved that she was American. I thought it was a beautiful love story. Even that she was divorced, it was like she wasn't this perfect pedigree. Like it seemed like we lifted her up

and then whether it was smear campaigns or whatever that she's mean to the staff and she made the alterations lady cry, whatever those stories are got out there and to the point where they didn't feel safe, their story. whatever those stories are, got out there and, you know, to the point where they didn't feel safe, their story, and they came over here, and now they're here, and, like, she's fine, but she's kind of boring.

Like, she's just kind of boring. Like, probably podcasting and talking and being yourself is probably not what she should be doing. Which, by the way, is... Acting is probably what she'd be doing, but it's too much work. My wife says this, my wife's a boring person too. Like she's, she'll tell you that.

She wants to do a puzzle. And that's what I love, because I'm like an extrovert and I'm loud, we balance each other, right? And she's, but like she doesn't want to be in the big crowds and yeah, it doesn't always fit. It might not fit into entertainment the way that some people will. But we have like, you got this Bravo audience, this audience that's like, but

wait, Meghan Markle is not throwing the drink at you know, But I you know what I realized? I predicted that she would have a talk show, which essentially a podcast is a talk show. I predicted she would have a talk show years ago. I go once she gets tired of being the princess, she's not going to go back to doing the hard 12 hour days of acting. Because acting is a lot of work. And that's why a lot of people kind of give it up when they can, whether you're,

you know, running the honest company or goop or whatever. Like when you separate, he was like, when you don't have to do it and wait in trailer and be call time at 5 a.m. and all that stuff. It's not as great as people think once you've experienced for a while. If you can be famous and make money doing something that's less effort and more yourself, yeah, people want to do it. So everyone goes, oh, I'll do this. I can, you know, I could have a talk show, da, da, da. But I just think, you know, I also think women have heard entrepreneurial women talk a lot, and it is not something

to get you up and going when you're making your Etsy bracelets. It just isn't. It's not really... So who's listening to it? But imagine as a producer looking at Meghan Markle going, what does it cost? 20 grand per episode? What does it cost? And then they can live on Netflix internationally. Like they're gonna make a killing off of it.

You mean the cooking show? Absolutely, they're just gonna make a killing. It's just content. And they said like the $300 pan had sold out. So it's like people saying it's, oh, it's unrealistic that she's wearing it. Okay, but there's enough people that find it realistic. They wanna expose like, oh, she got those cookies. They found, like, the wrappings of

cookies that were maybe from, you know, Whole Foods that she didn't actually make. Yeah, that's going to exist. There's going to be some. And that's kind of the fun of it. Now everyone's talking about it, so people will watch it. Even when you watch the Today Show, the meatloaf is already made. They're not pulling it out of the oven here on set. You know, it's like, it's not all real. Dave, thank you so much for coming. Please, thank you. Please tell everybody like where they can follow you and get more of you in their lives.

Twice a day, The Rush Hour with Dave and Neil, every morning, every afternoon. I do bite-sized 25-minute episodes for your rush hour drive. And my goal is to end up having like a, like almost like a Andy Cohen Watch What Happens Live, sort of like radio show where people can just come on

and have these types of conversations. But I try to keep it bite sized and just be there. I always say, I'm like, if you're waiting for the bus, I just wanna be the guy who's like, hey, did you hear about the wombat? Weird story, huh? So it's just, that's all it is. Oh, we didn't talk about the wombat girl.

So there was this girl, an American influencer in Australia and she had her boyfriend or whoever filmed her. They saw a little mom and a baby wombat and she picked up the, I saw the video and he's laughing. And then the woman, the mom wombat is coming after her and then she does put the wombat down but they post the video and of course everyone's like you shouldn't do that now she the mother wombat might reject the baby like and then she said I got the the wombat because I thought I was gonna be

hit by a car which is not true. She doubled down on the victimhood after the internet backlash, like standard story. She was gonna get deported, but she fled the country before she got deported. She was there on like- Back to America? Or somewhere, she was like on a student visa or whatever. But like, you know, she's kind of like a trophy hunter, like she couldn't get a job at PETA cause she eats meat.

They were like, you can't work here. She's finding herself, but now she's gonna to enter that pro-victimhood pipeline where she's been martyred because the internet didn't like her. But hey, tough time to be an American abroad. Don't be rat grabbing animals and filming it if you're like, the clout can go too far. Do your TikTok dance in front of it.

Do whatever you want to do, but just leave it be. I always say it's like Yellowstone. Don't touch the bison. I mean the only thing you could say in that is, I'm a total fucking idiot. I had no idea. I can't believe I did this, you know? And she a little bit did, but then tried to say,

oh I thought it was gonna get hit. Just say I got excited and I did the wrong thing and we filmed it. Turn your DMs off for two weeks and come back. Say you're sorry and then come back with like a cute like makeup tutorial. Yeah, donate to the shelter. Yeah.

Rewrite the karma and you'll be good. Like calm down. Yeah, just go away and say sorry. If I have a hot take, I don't check my comments after I've learned my lesson. Just like let it be. Let it be. The internet's very loud and you can just turn the volume down on it. Exactly.

Well, thank you so much for coming out here. Love it. Great convo. Thank you for all the juice that you brought. We never really covered that Clayton story, so that was really great. By the way, this is just my audition to get us on Below Deck. Would you do Below Deck? Can we do Below Deck? We'll bring our families on Below Deck. Oh, we could talk about that. Yes, I love it. Thank you. Bye.