Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - From Disney to Porn with Maitland Ward

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

Big announcement! I am going on tour! Get tickets at heathermcdonald.net  I recap Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and discuss how the trip to Aspen turned into a mean girl's sleepover. Maitland Ward from Boy Meets World is here, but she has gone through some changes since you last saw her on that family-friendly sitcom. Her first on-screen role was on the soap opera Bold and Beautiful when she was 16, but as an adult, she found herself in the porn industry. Since starting porn, she has won many awards and plans to continue to explore her sexual side but only on-screen. Go check out her book that comes out today, Rated X, and it focuses on her story of transitioning from Hollywood to porn. Enjoy! It’s a juicy one. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to get exclusive Extra Juicy episodes every Friday and get all episodes of Juicy Scoop, ad-free Or get access to Extra Juicy on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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To the number one tabloid real life podcast Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo, and a McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. I hope you had a great Labor Day weekend. Let's get into it. Real housewives at Beverly Hills,

they finally got to Aspen. It was a pretty boring episode until we actually got to Aspen. We had to see them all packing and who cares. And we get there. And then it's at Kyle's house. She has a nice house in Aspen. Marisa comes. He's making steak.

So they're having like a very casual dinner. And Kathy Hilton shows up. And they're joking that she's so high maintenance. Because she's like, Kyle, do you have a fork? Do you have a knife? Do you have any napkins? Let's be honest. No one ever said Kathy Hilton was a low maintenance. I'm like, can she have some utensils to eat the meat with? Anyway, then Kyle shows her her room, which is bunk beds. So I'm like, I think she's being pretty cool to sleep in a bunk bed. And she was, like, oh, this seems fine, this is fine.

So half the girls are at Kyle's house, the other half are at a beautiful rental home down the road, which is a little bit nicer than Kyle's no offense, but I think I'd rather be there. And then the Queen Bee Diana, she has to stay in a hotel because I thought it was like a security reason which I do think that could be the real reason. Don't send me a letter, Diana. I'm just saying like maybe you have to have people on either side of you or something in the room.

I don't know why, but she stays in a hotel also because she's a Sadeva and wants the amenities of a hotel. That's probably more it. But she does have her stylist come with her, who is to like, different first, her ski jacket. And she also admits to Garsell before that the reason she does that is because she has like ghost busters is what she called them,

but like, sick people that saves the place, get rid of the energy. When she is honestly, like brings up some darkness into the room. So just kind of ironic. So they get, after they have their corn on the cob, they're sitting around and Lisa ran and it's like, look what I found in my room, a Ouija board.

Yeah, right. So they sit down and of course Kyle, who is Ufurda Teachers pet, Kyle is what I wanna call producer's pet. She's like, okay, let's make sure that we didn't bring these guys to Aspen for nothing. Let's make something happen with this scene who still hates each other.

And Erica's like, well, Garsell, I don't know why you brought up my drinking. Why did you bring it up and talk about it with everybody else, but you didn't talk about it with me. And Garsell's like, Erica, I did. When you and I went out ironically drinking. I said, why are you drinking so much? Okay. Well, and she's and and they're like, why do you you know, what else is your problem? And then Sutton's like, well, why doesn't anyone feel badly that I was called a horrible name by Erica at the reunion?

And everyone's like, what? Who cares about that? And they flash back. And at one point, Erica says to Sutton during the reunion, it was a betchy thing to do. And you are the worst word that you could call a woman. They bleep it out. And she's like, why didn't nobody care that they call me that? And then Diana, the new girl Diana who's saying that to house says, because you are one. Ha ha ha ha!

Erica falls over, claps her hands, and she's like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, Garsel's like, this is horrible. Sutton's sitting there. Other people are laughing. Lisa, when I was like, doing her face. And at that point, it is honestly the worst slumber party. Honestly, it reminds me of the one time no offense to public school girls, but I was invited to a public school girl party,

and I was the only one that went to the Catholic school. I was the Sutton in this situation. I couldn't say the right thing. They were being mean to me. I was crying. I woke up the next day day and they'd put cat litter in my sleeping bag with a with a cat litter shit Hoping that I'd roll over on it, but I like never really moved when I slept Anyway, that that was that this was the meanest like middle school Awful not even middle school like maybe middle school, I don't know,

it's like six great, just horrific, horrific, horrific. And they're all laughing, Sutton sitting there crying, and Garsell is like, you guys, she's crying. And then kind of like, don't be a victim Sutton, don't be a victim. And she's like, well, I'm not, I'm not being a victim, but it does surprise me that nobody came to my defense or said anything to Erica that it was wrong that she called me like the worst thing you could call a woman and then and then

Garsell's like well i didn't appreciate that uh... Erica call me a liar that's why i stopped following guys on instagram and then Kathy's like there's three things i don't ever want to be called. A liar, a thief at a pedophile and they're all laughing about the pedophile and I'm like, okay, again, Diana don't send me a cease to say but look it up, interesting word of choice for the circle and then there's the thief, okay, people think Erica's the thief. Who's the liar? I don't know, it was just like,

and I was like, well, you didn't say racist, Kathy. Okay, that's a little foreshadowing. Anyway, it is a dark, fricking situation. And she's just sitting there, Sutton, she's, she's Heather McDonald, the private from the private school, with the mean public school girls, just alone with cat shit, being planted in her sleeping bag. And she sits there and, and like they're, you know, and Kyle's just like, no, no, no. And trying to explain

that this isn't it. And then Diana says, Garcell goes, why won't you forgive her? And they flashback at all the times that Diana said that she would forgive Sutton. And she's like, I don't like you Sutton. I don't like you because you made fun of my miscarriage. And Sutton's like, I said I was sorry. And she's like, you questioned it. When I went to Garcell's party,

you made fun of it, you questioned it, you acted like I wasn't telling the truth. And meanwhile, you had a miscarriage, but you're just mentioning it now, which is basically she's calling her miscarriage. I mean, the subjects of this evening were so awful and they're like, well, we have an early date tomorrow who wants to go skiing. So they leave.

And we're gonna see it next week. I mean, it looks like next week's episode, they go skiing, have some fun. And then Erica is going to go crazy. And she, in the preview, she is like yelling and saying, like, I don't care about the people, what about me? I only care about me. And Rina's like, don't say that in Kyle's like, Erica, don't say you don't care about the victims. Like, so, I, but I don't think we're gonna see anything with the Kathy stuff next week.

I don't know, but it's juicy. Almost as, oh, here's, here is, I was going to say, if you're watching this on YouTube, you guys please subscribe to YouTube. I'm about 10,000 subscribers away from 100,000, in which then I get like a big present. I get like a plaque for YouTube subscribers that I think I really deserve it, and I think the office would really enjoy it. So can you subscribe to my YouTube page please? Thank you. Anyway, the Bravo Chicks showed the picture of Erica.

I have it here laughing after Diana said, because you are one about Port Crying Sutton. And they wrote, this is dark, this is bullying, this is non-intertain bullying, this is not entertainment. And then I don't get this, but they showed something where the pretty mess had commented, wow, I knew about jewelry, shopping, freeze, and plastic surgery, but this really threw me for a loop. Oh, I think she is referring to Tom Gerardi buying the condo for his mistress.

And then Lisa Renna says, oh Sut, oh, Sutton, here's another LA Times article for you, Henny. I don't know if she meant to write Honey or she just misbelled it, Henny. Like teasing her that Sutton knew how to read. Well, I'm sorry, Sutton does know how to read. And she did read the entire LA Times article when none of you could and couldn't imagine that she took the time to read it. Very, very mean. Very mean. You know what's not mean? And fun, I am coming you guys to a lot of cities and you better get on it because it's a live juicy scoop and you can get your tickets at HeatherMcDollon.net. Make sure you go to Heather Mcdonald.net. Those are the best prices, the accurate tickets, all of it. Now some have sold out, Dallas sold out, I added a second show. They're in there. There

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That's 15% off your entire order at THEOUAI.com code juicy. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I think we're ready for real juicy energy. Juicy juicy. I'm here with Madeleine Ward who was an actress. We're gonna get all into it. Not only were you in white chicks, we realized, but best known for your role in the hit show, Boy Meets World.

Yes. Now you have a book coming out. It's out today, How porn liberated me from Hollywood, and it's called X-rated. Rated X-rated. Sorry, rated X. And I'm just ready to hear your whole life story because you had a traditional career as an actress

doing sitcoms and parts and movies and stuff. And now you are very happy being an extremely successful porn star. Yes. A lot of people use the word, I once joked about this. I'm like, not everyone's a porn star. That's true.

But in the middle of the one tiny porn star, porn star. No, I know. I don't think everyone's a porn star. That's true. But literally, if you're one tiny porn star, I'm porn star. No, I know. I don't think everyone's a porn star. But you are. It's like saying, like, oh, if people are like, you know, television star when they've done, like, runs guest party reality star.

Right, right. I don't know if you're a reality star. But I honestly, I'm so thankful to my fans and everything, like, I am an established porn star. So award winning. I think once you won awards, that's when you can say that you were an established porn star. And I want to get into the whole thing

of how you came here and the happy porn star with the glowing skin. So good for you. Thank you so much. OK, so you grew up here in LA and you went to Long Beach State. And so were you pursuing acting then? I got a part on the soap opera, the Bolden, the Beautiful, when I was like 16 years old. And I turned 70 in the Beautiful.

Oh, I was Jessica Forrester. I was born and young and teenager. I was a spin-off of Young The Russell. Yes, and those were the only stuff I ever watched as a kid. It's funny because I watched the first episode of Bolden Beautiful when I was 10 years old when it first came on.

I was sick that day, so it just happened to be, but I was like, I wanna see the first episode of a soap. Because I was a big soap fan from when I was young, because my mom watched it, my grander, my mom watched it. Wait, stop. I remember the first episode too. And then the characters had gone to USC. Yeah, because it was all LA.

Yes. And I was like, Oh my god, this is the greatest. Yeah, I want to go to USC. I want to see a character on bull and beautiful ones. You see it. I want to like it. And then she went to Oxford in London when she left when they kicked her off.

So when you were 16 and you started working on that, then where you no longer in regular high school. No, I was in regular high school at the time because I would go like couple days a week to regular high school and then I would have. And what high school was that? Lakewood high school and Long Beach College. Okay, yeah.

Okay, cool. And it was fun because I think everybody saw me as a drama nerd before. I was good at drama. Like it was really into like the drama program and everything. But nobody thought I'd be a soap star. And I think that really shocked everybody. Now, how did you get an agent and all of that? Were you a child actor or had a that was about? I wasn't really a child actor. I did a lot of theater and stuff in my community and I did classes and stuff, but. So your mom and our parents were involved in allowing you

to do this. They were like, oh, but don't do anything professional until your braces come off. And I did, at 15, my braces came off. So I was like, and then at that point, did you kind of have to get your parents to make sure that like mom, I need an agent, I need to have headshots. And like you're, so you kind of have to get your parents to make sure that like, mom, I need an agent, I need to have headshots.

And like, you're, so you were the one pushing. And I went to this place called TVI, which is an active tool. Do you remember that? Do you remember TVI? They were so big back in the day. Yeah. And I think they're still around. Are they?

I don't know. But I was like, they have like professional acting classes and they help you get agents and then get headshots and everything. So they did help me. And I think I was one of the only people that actually got a job from a TVI casting director like a workshop. Which probably, yeah, I remember all that type of stuff. Those casting directors, it's like they, you pay, you pay for the cast director to see

you and the casting directors get paid to be there. Yes, but once in a while, they do find someone that they can bring in on something. But I really think it was because I was only like 16 and I was in this casting director workshop because I was a big fan of soap. So I was like, I wanna be in a casting director workshop with the bull and beautiful casting director.

This is amazing. But everybody else was like in their 30s and 40s. And they would have been acting a long time and I came in there like totally green. casting director, this is amazing. But everybody else was like in their 30s and 40s. And they would have been acting a long time. And I came in there like totally green. Well, everyone always said back to the days when self-supropular, like it is the greatest training ground. It is.

Because you have to read and memorize so much dialogue and such a quick turnaround. Was that difficult? Are you someone that memorizes easily? I kind of am somebody who memorizes easily, but like at the time, like it's, I was in high school so I was really like used to like studying and getting all that information in my mind.

And so I think it was, it was easy for me, but I definitely had to learn the tricks of the trade, but it is the best training ground. I mean, nothing else would be as hard as that. Like, is there even any self-sluft? I think there is just talking about this. Well, the mood is the best training ground. I mean, nothing else would be as hard as that. Like, is there even any soap's left? I think there is just running roses. Well, the moon is still left, yes. So does the only two?

Four. There's four. And actually, these are the lives is going to the peacock, like streaming networks. So you know what, it might actually get a new life. Honestly, back in the day when they had radio soaps, they went to TV, it was like, oh, is it going to be good on TV and stuff.

But actually, they're doing good things for days, I think. Yeah, yeah. I actually do. Okay, so everyone's like, how to get to the sex. Okay, get to the sex. When did you get Boy Meep World? How old were you there for? I was about 20. I think, like, like, it was after Bullen Beautiful and I had gone off the show for a little while but all of my success like happened in a very short span of time looking back on it seemed forever at the time when I was young but yeah so I didn't get it very long afterwards and it was funny because I started off in a very dramatic role in the soap opera and then to get sitcom like it was but sitcom was something I really love to do

and so what was your role on the show? On the show? No, no, no, on the boy meets for all. Yeah. I was, I would say, I was the sexy roommate of the boys when they went to college. Like it was all these kids that grew up on Boy Meets World and then all of a sudden they went to college

and it was the college years. Okay. And I was the sexy roommate of Will Pradoll, Eric and Jack, who was, you know, Matthew Lawrence. And so that was in front of a live audience. Yes. And so now I read a little bit about articles and stuff that you touched upon in the book. Yeah. But like, what was, what, like, looking back now, what are the things now that we know so much about Hollywood and

how people women are treated differently in men, especially even a few years back. What do you want to share about that? Now, I can't believe that this happened or I didn't realize it at the time. It was interesting because writing the book, I actually realized a lot of things that happened that I didn't give enough thought to at the time, because I thought, I'm an actress, I'm going to do my job. It's okay to go. In one point, I was asked to go up to the producer's office over and over again to try and

lingerie for a specific episode. It's like, nowadays I would be like, why do you have to see me in all of this lingerie over and over and over again? So it's a very basic lingerie. It's not like... Okay. They needed to get it right. Okay, so wait a minute. I thought that was my job.

Okay, so I've done, you know, I've been on TV. Yeah. Have you ever done that? I've never done lingerie type of stuff, but it was because I was always just like funny, whatever. But normally the way it works is you go to wardrobe. Yes. They, let's say you're doing a scene where you have to go to a cocktail party.

Yeah. Exactly. And they're like, okay, you know, the star is wearing red. So I brought you blue, green, and pink. Right. You put, these are the two that we like. They take the polaroids and then they send that

to the rooster who then chooses the pain. Exactly. Exactly. take the polaroids and then they send that to the producer who then chooses the pay exactly and ever in my life have I gone to the producer's office in the outfield and so they made you instead of doing the polaroid not one time not two times but like three times uh... for a basic set of like a little you know like a little camisole and yeah but no they may be trying the way

worse for it was a worse i was just one like a little camisole. But no, but they made me try on the way worse one. I was at worst, I was just one producer or a couple. No, it was a whole, like 15 of them, like seriously. Like, were they all guys? Yes, maybe like one was a girl, like, you know, but it was like a whole room of them. And I remember the executive producer, Michael Jacobs was like, oh, I'm so embarrassed

to see you here, because you're like a daughter to me. But I'm like, you've had me come up here three times in all this lingerie. And it was like, we have to get the right lingerie. It's like, really? Did we, like, I know, take a poll, or I'd take like pictures of me. It was really, it was really an odd experience, but I thought it was my job. And I feel so insecure about my body back then and stuff.

Like, even though I was like, that's, look, a string being, like, I, you know, I had no reason to be like, insecure about it, but I was, I was young, and I was, you know, but I was like, I have to do this, I have to look good for them. And the most, the thing I was most worried about is that I wasn't, like, sexy enough for them, or I didn't, like, the lingerie didn't look good enough on me, or something, you know? So how old are you at that point? Twenty-one about, like, yeah, just getting a drinking age. So, you're doing that.

Yeah. And then how many years did you do on that show? I was on a couple of years. It's funny because I was on the last two seasons of the show, but I had auditioned for a show called Zoe Duncan Jack and Jane, which was the year before, which the executive producer of the show had, he was producing it, but I didn't get it.

Soma Blair got it, actually, and she's great. And we were totally different types, but they gave me a holding deal for Blameet's world. So I had kind of been around for, I'd say the last three years of the show, because I was like around everybody. So at this point, at 21, you are making enough money so you live on your own pretty well. Yes. And are you do have a boyfriend? Are you sexual? Like what's going on at 21 while you're this sick comes back?

Actually, I had been on and off with my nela husband because we had met early on in my soap opera career, but he had gone to college, back east and stuff, so we had had been back of forth or whatever. So I did have, I was very nervous sexually. Like I did have little sexual liaisons, but I didn't feel confident enough in myself to like, be myself, you know, so yes and no. Like that time I didn't know who I was as a person,

I really, I was really discovering myself and I was trying to like stop myself from being like a bad person, like that time, I didn't know who I was as a person, I really, I was really discovering myself and I was trying to stop myself from being a bad person, quote unquote, like what I thought. And did you have, what was your growth, what was your parents' situation? Were they married? Were they religious? Married, still married to this day.

And very religious. What kind of religion? I would say my parents weren't as religious as my grandmother was. Like Christian, my grandmother was a Baptist kind of religion? I would say my parents weren't as religious as my grandmother was. Okay. Like Christian, like my grandmother was like a Baptist kind of. Got it. You know, she loved me to death, but she would always tell me I was gonna go to hell.

Oh my God. For what? For like anything. Like the rapture was coming. I mean, my parents weren't that far. Okay. They wanted me to be a good girl and like, lived by the rules and stuff.

But my grandmother was like, oh man, you better live in line because you're gonna go up in the right, the rapture needs to get you. You know, like, or you're out, like burn at the same time. And I mean, at this point, are you having fun as a 21 year old?

That's a working actress? Like, you're not going to night clubs and sing for us. Hilton, you're not doing any of that. No, I was not doing any of that. No, I was very. I feel like you missed out. I did. Yes. I did. Although I don't want to be like crazy and like, I was not doing any of that. No, I was very... Do you feel like you missed out? I did. Yes.

I did. Although I don't want to be like crazy and like, yeah, but still like anything. But I did, yeah, I did. And I felt like I couldn't because I felt like I'd be a bad girl and people would look down on me. And I was always interested in like, well Disney and Mommy for the next job. And like, I'll be, if I show myself as being really responsible

and a good girl, they'll hire me. But they didn't care. Like they didn't care. So then when did the white chicks come in? A white chick was a little while later and it was, it was so fun because we could go to Vancouver. Like, it was away from Hollywood and I got to hang out. Like it was a girl's dorm at the, right.

Yeah. It was the, were you in that hotel? You were in it. I wasn't, no, I. Were you in that hotel? You were in it. I wasn't, no, I was in that hotel, but I only did a few days off. Right. But you were months there. But you know, the three girls that were the friends.

Yeah. That wasn't me. Fizzy felt right, right. Then there was the two girls that they were playing. Yeah. Was you. Was me, but you didn't see me, because I was. Yeah, but I was the real girl.

Yeah, you were the real girl who like, you had the beginning scene of like, what, reading, and then reading the newspaper like, wait, that's us and everything. Well, I remember, because I wrote it too with them. And I remember they were like, this is the, they found you guys first. Right.

And then made the masks to match them. Yes. Yeah And we had to wait for like a month up in Vancouver because they were matching the like prosthetic pieces and stuff Right And so wait, who played with you? Marlin or Sean. I was Sean. That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I was like a big other faces. Yeah. Yeah, Sean. Right and That was great. So you did that. That was fun. Yeah. So then where does it start to happen where you're no longer or as pursuing regular Hollywood as much as because you

first started with like, just tell the story. Oh, yeah. OK, so where are we making this transition? Hollywood, like, typecast me, basically. And it's funny because when I look back on everything, I was not the star of Wormy's World and I was not the star of White Chicks, but it's a weird thing.

I was still typecast as that. So I wasn't given the celebration, I guess, as the star of the show, but I was also said, you can't do anything else because we've seen you in that. So it was very much of a typecast situation and I felt like more and more when I was going out in Hollywood and auditioning and stuff

that I was like, wait, people don't wanna see me, they wanna see me as my character back then, but they don't wanna see me as well. So it's kinda like, they wanna just keep me in this box and set me aside. And was your representation, do you think that they were good? Or were we?

No, I had terrible representation all along. But it wasn't, did you switch agents a lot? I switched a lot, yes, and I did. And then one time my agency quit on me, and I didn't even know it, and the casting director told me about it. At the end of the day, it was like, your agency says they're not your agency anymore, and I'm like, what? And I just talked to them for, like I talked to them the other day,

and I'm like, no, you better talk to them again. Because they just, they gave up on me And when you would then say wait what's going on then what would they say no answer? It was crazy. I've been dumped by agents. Yeah, no, and this is how it goes For me Take a lick a lick and it's like on the agent. Yeah, you're okay. Okay Hey Heather, how you doing? They're saying yeah, you're just go yeah, hi. Hi. I Heather, how you doing? They're saying, yeah, you're just going, yeah,

hi, hi, I'm so excited to talk to you. Um, God, these are the kind of conversations. I hate. We just met with the other agents. I think you're so talented. I think you're funny. I think you're a great writer. Yeah. Should be pursuing that more. And, um, but, you know, we just don't feel like we can do the job for you anymore. That's like, and you let the call, I didn't get the call. That's, well, I'm letting you know what the call is like. So maybe it's better to get the call. Maybe it's better to get the call.

You're like, all right, okay. You know, but it is, I know she made that. It's pretty disappointing, because you're like, yeah. But then as theheartening because you're like, yeah. But then as the agent, I'm always like, I almost have more sympathy for them too because I'm like, they only have so much time and for whatever reason they feel.

And if they really think like, I'm not, I don't believe in you anymore and I'm not picking up the phone. You should try to find someone else who's hungrier. At least they told you that. Yeah. But it's actually, it's true. It's like, and also it's a cutthroat world.

It's like they have to make money and they have to like, yeah, especially during pilot season and everything when it's like everybody's like going out for rolls and stuff. Whenever somebody like wins an Oscar and they're like, and to Joe, the McMahon who's been there since I was 18, I'm like, who? Yeah, I know. Yes, yes, yes. What's that they do since they're 18? Yeah. I'm like, who? Yeah, I know.

Yes, he's like, what's that they do since they're 18? Yeah, I'm like, well then they do definitely deserve to be a share of that Oscar way. It shows been with him all the way. They deserve it. I'm like, what's that on earth? So, okay, so you're getting a little disheartened. Yes, I'm getting disheartened

and I kind of like separated myself. Well, Holly would separate it itself for me But I also was at the time discovering myself like I was I was like I don't want to be that same girl that was like on Boy Meets World or auditioning for all those things I want I wanted to like see who I was as a person that actually I got married and moved to New York Okay, and that kind of gave me a breath of fresh air I guess because I was away from Hollywood scene, because when you're in it, you're like, people are on you all the time, you know.

Like, and you just, you're surrounded. Yeah, and just parties going on, this audition's going on, and you feel like you're in competition all the time. Yeah, especially like a pilot season. Oh my God, pilot season is the worst. And then you go into the room, and you see all the girls, and you're like, I know.

Or you find, I remember one time I went out for a pilot. It was called Townies. It never really made it. Wait, I remember the name though. What was it? I'm sure you went out for it, because they wanted it. They wanted a red head, a blonde, and a brunette. Probably.

Kind of like just, it was like when everybody was trying to get their friends. Yes, that's what I, yeah. It was all 20-something, right. Like girls living on their own or whatever. And I remember I was a sitting there I could hear the casting director saying that it's like already been cast that's what happened and I'm like why am I and I'm like met

with a coach and memorized everything and I'm like why am I sitting here it's awful yeah it's awful yeah and pilots he says the worst of their they're doing it so fast and they're like, people, you know, the agents are like giving their clients, like, oh, God, it's the worst. Yeah. And so, okay, sir, in New York, are you pursuing acting in New York?

No. You're taking a breather. I did a little theater and I did studying and stuff like that, but I was actually really, I took a time for myself where I started writing like a rotic fiction and stuff. And I was like, okay, I'm getting into writing because I love writing. That's like a will-passion of mine. Yeah and stuff and I was getting into writing because I love writing

That's like a will-passion of mine. Yeah, ever since I was young But I kind of like swept it aside until I was older. I don't have live it because I just did yeah, but I started like you know doing I was like oh, I'm discovering myself sexually. Yeah, it was funny like by the time that I came back to LA I took screenwriting for two years at UCLA Uh-huh, and I was always writing like these kind of provocative script very funny scripts though. Yeah It's funny, by the time that I came back to LA, I took screenwriting for two years at UCLA. And I was always writing these kind of provocative scripts, very funny scripts though, provocative dark comedy scripts.

And it was always had to do with someone who was this sexually frustrated, dominatrix or something like you, who like, but at this time, you're not doing it. No, I'm not doing it. I'm just discovering myself, writing and I'm doing right. And I actually didn't think I was going to go back

to Hollywood at all. I really didn't. I thought, well, I thought I would do it in the way that I would write something. And maybe I would star in it, or maybe somebody else would star in it, but I thought that was the way to do it. But then Girl Meets World comes around. Okay.

It was the spin-off from Boy Meets World. Uh-huh. And all of a sudden, like a whirlwind, attention came at the cast. Like, what are you doing now? Like everything? Like social media was like gone fire. And what year is this? I'd say this was about 2013, 14. Okay. You know, and I had just, you know, so I was like, I had worked so hard to kind of separate myself from my pet. You see, people say, oh, oh, you're not grateful for your past or whatever. I totally am. Yeah.

But it's like going to college, like being in a sorority and everything. You have the greatest time and you love it. But you don't want to live there for the rest of your life. Right, right. Yeah. You know, can you go past that too and remember the good times? Yeah. So that was kind of how I felt about it.

And I still feel about it because I did love doing it and I'm grateful for doing it. But now I want to like do my own thing and kind of expand beyond that. But there was so much attention when girl meets world came around that I was given a choice not specifically by anybody but like myself. I could go back into the past and really live in that character again. Were they asking you to be in it? Yes and no. In the beginning, absolutely.

I was told I was going to be in many episodes of Girl Meets World. What was it going to be about? It's about like Corrine Topanga, the stars of Women's World, their kids. So it's Girl Meets World, the daughter. She was me. Me and the world. Okay, I got it. But, and they brought everybody back and everything.

But when I started getting attention on social media, because I said, I'm just going to be my authentic self. I don't care. I mean, I'm not going to be for Disney or for anybody else. I'm just going to do things I want to do for fun. And I started doing sexy cosplay because I love doing that. And I started-

And what is that just sexy costumes? Costumes, yes. Okay, yeah. For talking about me on a red carpet one time that he gave me an authentic slave laya costume from Princess Slaya, from when she was in a job with a hood by chain. And it was fun and I loved it.

And something that I just like to do. So I did a lot of that and And I did a lot of that. And so then your Instagram started to grow. Yes. It started to grow for people just being interested. And like wow, she's doing sexy pictures. And she's doing, you know, bikinis and all this. It wasn't porn at that point at all. But it was just like, you know, kind of racy stuff. Well, Disney and Michael Jacobsy, exactly a producer, were not happy with this. And they did not want me representing the show like this. Okay. Even though it was just bikinis and cosplay. So that became a problem.

But still, at the same time, I was wanting to grow away from the character of Rachel from Bwimi's world. So I was like, I want to be myself. I want people to like me. My following was growing. Not just from Bwamy's world followers, but people who liked me from my cosplay and stuff.

I remember at Comic Con at San Diego one year back then. I remember the first time somebody came up to me and said, I'm such a fan of yours. And I was like, oh, Bwamy's world. Did you go as like a star to the... No, I'm concomitant. You just went as like a nerd? Yes.

Oh, OK. Yes. And they came up to me and I was like walking around like any other person. OK. I mean, no, I did some appearances at Comic-Con's that were like celebrity, I guess. OK.

I really loved walking around as an nerd. And this guy came up to me and was like, I am your fan. And I was like, oh, boy, I'm going to be swirl, OK. And I was like, I love you on Snapchat. And I was like, that was the first time, I'm like, wait a minute, there's a lot of big audience on Snapchat. But no, I really do.

I don't like sitting in a Comic Con. I'm not the kind of person who's gonna charge you for selfies. I don't ever do that. I don't like sitting in a booth and just signing. I like to walk around. If you come to me, I'll take a selfie with you. I'll sign your stuff. It doesn't matter. I just love the I like to walk around. If you come to me, I'll take a selfie with you. I'll sign your stuff.

It doesn't matter. I just love the experience of the Comic Con and everything. Yeah. Okay, so now you're like, oh, like this is kind of great. I'm kind of growing this following. Yeah. So you're spending time on social media, posting stuff. Yeah, just stuff.

Okay, so then what's next? It's interesting because I did a shoot for International Kiss a Ginger Day. Okay, it is a holiday. It's my holiday. I'm not a natural I'm a actually well, I'm a blonde, but kind of a golden strawberry blonde. Okay, but yeah, I enhance it over Yeah, yeah, yeah, but International kiss a ginger day is like some day in January that we like have fun And you know, I like to celebrate it every year But I was looking for somebody to do a cute little kissy

Shoot with yeah, and a friend of mine who was a producer knew a lesbian porn star This was this was back in 2015, but I think that was here 14 or 15 But who knew us lesbian porn star who named Ella Xandra and She was cute. It's adorable little redhead and she would like love Boy Meets world And she was like I'll do the kiss agenda day They yeah, and we did it and we were like oh, we did our cute little pillow fight like little You know slumber party shoot and then at the end we got naked We got totally naked at the end and did these like scandalous shoots that never saw the light of day until years later.

And I remember at the end of the shoot, she was like, you're gonna do something in the adult industry. And I was like, oh, I don't know. I was just having fun. And she was right. So years later. Now wait.

Okay, so now, have you been with women at this point? Yes. I had been with women in my personal life. And you and your husband have like a more of a non-traditional sexual relationship with other people? I'll say, not at once. Like he's very open to me having women in my life, like because I need that kind of,

and he was very open to me exploring that side of myself with women. He's no issues with that. And like when I started filming with women and stuff, it was no big of a, it wasn't a big deal at all. But we don't have a traditional open relationship or anything. But like you never had a girlfriend that like,

you're like, I'm going to see my girlfriend, Jenny tonight. Yeah, kind of. And then you would have sex with Jenny and come back the next day and it's fine. Yeah. And it wasn't going to replace my marriage. Like. As long as it wasn't gonna replace my marriage, like it wasn't like a serious relationship to replace my marriage.

But that never made him nervous. No, girls never made him nervous. Never, ever, ever. Okay. You know I had a few girls that were like bitches, that I could have made him nervous, but no. And then would those girlfriends ever join you as a threesome? No.

So he never stopped. He's monreesome? No. He's never stuck. He's monogamous. Yeah. He's been honest to you. Okay. Well, this has a perfect situation. Yeah. It is. No. It's a perfect situation. But honestly, though, except for girls, like with guys, I'm not out there dating guys or anything. Yeah. Like I just do it on screen. Okay. So let's get to that. Okay. so now you're kind of like, okay, this is, so the first thing sort of stepping over the edge. Okay, the girls, yes, stepping over the edge, but it was fun. Okay, so then what happens?

Okay, well, let's go back to, like, I was getting kicked off Instagram and Snapchat and all those things all the time for being too sexy. Yes. For nothing. Like, my nipple was too hard in a shot or something. Okay. So I was getting kicked off Instagram all the time for like a shadow. Yes. For nothing. Like, my nipple was too hard in a shot or something. Okay. So I was getting kicked up Instagram all the time for like a shadow of a nipple or whatever.

And my fans were like, you need to make content. And I was like, what is content? I don't even know this. But I looked into it and I started a Patreon page, which is basically people who are patrons of you who will pay anywhere from, well, in my case, 15 to like $300 a month to get your content.

I was like, one night I was like, oh, just make a page. Let's see how it's going to go. And then I was like, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to announce it. It's embarrassing. Maybe they'll give me $500 a month and put to a, like a photo shoot or something. Yeah.

And then the next morning, 20 people had signed up and I was like, wait a minute, I didn't announce it yet. So I announced it on my Twitter and all of a sudden, like, morning, 20 people had signed up. And I was like, wait a minute, I didn't announce it yet. So I announced it on my Twitter and all of a sudden, like, 20, 800 people were signed up for this. And I was like, oh my god, they want to see my new pictures. Like, this is like a thing now. And it kind of evolved from there.

Because in the beginning, I definitely am an exhibitionist at heart. And I discovered that about myself. And I like taking the Playboy style pictures and the cosplay pictures and doing all that nudy stuff. And for those photos that you would us apply for the Patreon, that content, would you and your husband just take those

or would you always have like a professional photographer or a makeup artist or do you do it yourself? Like it was mostly myself. Although I do have a photographer that I had met on the red carpet to gain me that slave lay-up costume He is very involved in it, but my husband was he's such a good photographer Honestly, he is and he loves me so he knows how to put like photograph me Yeah, so he was very involved in all of that at the beginning like now when I do professional stuff

He's not on set or anything now at this point like your parents know that no, okay They knew that no actually they were fine with me taking like playboy style photos. They knew that at anything. Yeah, at this point, like, do your parents know that you know, okay? They knew that, no, actually, they were fine with me taking like playboy style photos. They knew that. But when I started to go, I was like, I want to do sort of like girl girl stuff and he loved me with girl. I mean, like, he was fine with me with girls and I was like, well, let's try that. Let's bring the girlfriend international Kissinger day back. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. So we did a scene. We actually did a full like video and that was on Patreon. Yes. Okay. Uh-huh. Yes. They did not know this but who did not know this?

Patreon. Oh, the head's Patreon had that's like too sexy for a Patreon. Yes. They can do that. I have Patreon, but it's just all... You could do nudes. Mine's just juicy scoop and audio, mostly. Actually now, I've gone to OnlyFans. Right, so they, so Patreon is basically, but OnlyFans didn't exist back then. No, it wasn't big deal enough. And also I just started out on Patreon. So, and I became the number one adult creator and adult meant like nudes and stuff.

Okay, so I did that and then I was like, the girls and I brought Elle back and I brought, and I was like, oh, El knows other girls That maybe I won't work with and so we did all that But then it came to a point where I was like I had all these sexual fantasies and things That my husband and I couldn't fulfill with each other because it's like dungeons and like group sex and like all this crazy Stuff that I was thinking in my mind like I I really wanna try this. And then eventually one day, he was like, I know you need to do this. Like, and he was the one who said,

you need to like, we need to like explore the idea of you doing stuff with men that like, we can't do together or whatever. And so we did. Like, and it was crazy. And it was the first time that you do that. We were like, well, let's get the most out of it. Let's actually start filming it.

Or did you do so just privately? Oh, we did not. So the first time I've seen everything on screen that I have done, except for not everything, but along this journey. So I never did anything else. So now at this point, you have the only fans. No, I didn't have only fans. Oh, you're still doing this paper.

It was still Patreon. Yeah, and they were like, we don't see anything. We're making all this money. I'm on top of you, but wink, wink, we don't see anything. Okay, they're gonna cancel my account now. You still have Patreon. I do, but I don't use it for that way. Okay, okay. So I passed that. So that you have Patreon, and then you had got a lot of it. Oh, man, my Patreon was on fire back then. And the Reddit boards would be trying to steal my content all the time because I was like, the first time I actually did a scene with a guy, I first did a blowjob with a wonderful guy. And so I tried that out, I just wanted to do the blowjob.

And you were filming all this stuff like in your house or do you have a studio in this place? Oh, no, I like a hotel room. Oh, okay. And then I did another scene with a guy, and they were both porn professionals who have been in the business for over 10 years. Yeah. And I happened upon them from my original, like talking to Elle, the lesbian porn star

who introduced me to somebody, to somebody. And then if I would not have had such great experiences with these guys who were so professional, they taught me the ropes, they taught me. Now what makes a professional porn star? Like what? You know, a professional actors or a makeup artist is someone who's brushes are clean.

They're on. That's true. I'm porn star. Their brushes are clean. Exactly. So like, let's say you're makeup artist. It's like your brushes are clean, your stuff is laid out, they've already, they looked at your photos

from the red carpet, they show up. They're on time, they don't talk too much, but they listen to you, they have fresh breath, they're in your face. Fresh breath is important then. Okay, so what makes a professional porn star where maybe someone is a porn star, but they're not as professional as the most professional.

You know, I would say like when I was starting out, they were gentle with me. And I don't mean gentle in the way of the sex. I mean like they were like, are you ready to do this? Are you ready to do that? Like they were kind of like introducing me to the whole world. Guiding you.

And also they're very respectful. They don't try to cross lines. Like I'm sure there's, I've heard there's guys important in any profession, in mainstream and whatever, who will try try to cross lines, like I'm sure there's, I've heard that there's guys important and any profession in mainstream and whatever, who will try to like cross lines or whatever, but like they are always like very professional about that, like being very respectful or respectful is like, and also they taught me the ropes of how to like perform for a camera. Yeah, because I'm thinking like you're having sex, you're enjoying it, you're going to

answer it. It's not just that you're into it, it's looking you got to I'm thinking like you're having sex, you're enjoying it. It's not just that you're into it. But you got to make sure that like you're... It looks good. You don't then do sets flip around and now you're not... Now his body's covering you. And in the beginning I didn't know any of that. And they were like, here, oh, what up here? I do this and they would like open my leg and do it. You know? But yeah, and so that's very important and I learned so I though the ropes from them and I would not have had Such a good experience without them and they were good with my husband We were like it was wonderful like and so the first time the husband Seize another dude. Yeah have full blown sex with you. Yeah

We thought it would be weird. Okay, it wasn't it was so natural It was like and I remember at the end of the scene the guy who had sex with me He was like and this was the first dick you had in you Since the husband yes, so how many years had it been oh? Well, I had been married since 2006 and this was probably 2018 So yeah, so wow it wasn't the first vagina, but yeah, first dick. Okay. And was that kind of crazy then?

It was crazy, but I was like, it was so freeing, and the fact that my husband was there and watching, and he knew I needed this, and he knew I needed to explore myself as a sexual performer, it was so great. And I remember asking that performer afterwards, like, what do you remember about this? And he's like, I remember you that performer afterwards, like, what do you remember about this? And he's like, I remember you weren't nervous.

And I thought you would be so nervous. And I wasn't. I just went crazy. Like I just like, it felt like such a liberating time for me. Yeah. And again, because he was professional and he was like, he was very respectful of me and like my husband and they, you know, so,

it was much easier in that way but still I found myself as a performer I was like I loved performing and okay so now how old are you at that point 40 so I mean that's kind of interesting no that like me you're killing it at not 22 and this was not when I started winning awards and everything. This was when I just started exploring, like porn and everything. And I worked for like a year and a half before I actually got into the professional studio realm of it, like where you're going.

And then how did you, like, oh man. Because it back in the day, there was the vivid, the vivid girls, the vivid girls. Oh, the vivid girls. You know that stuff. And now with the world of, which I think is so great for people in the sex industry, is that stuff. And you know, and now with the world of which I think

is so great for people in the sex industry is that they could have so much more control over their content. Yeah. Filming what they want to do whether they never want to be with someone else. Right. You know, but they, um, but you know, back in the day when the valley was known as the pouring capital of the world and the bookie nights movie and like, and even in the height of the 90s where you'd see these girls walking in coffee with their 90s big hearts big boobs. Oh my god. I don't even know they did it. It was like balloons. Yes and so it's like and then oh god did you ever watch this documentaries like I've seen Sander porn ends and all that on show. It's like kind of crazy because it coincides with like,

the real estate crash of like 2000 and three. So like there was before the porn and then there's after porn and then some of the girls left porn to be real estate brokers, but then the market crashed and then they went back to porn. But that was all before, like, only fans and technology, and web camming, and so the only way you could really make the money as a porn, yeah, is like to be in the movies.

So then, since you could kind of do this yourself, then what made you go, I'm gonna go to the next level of actually higher production movies. I never ever had to go to a studio production. I could make tons of money just doing my own like stuff. But there was a point where I was like, I want to do something big and professional. And I always had the dream of doing something

that was like well scripted and directed. And I could act in it again. I really wanted to act in a porn film and have hot sex, but also have good acting and directing and everything. And it really just happened that Vixen called me to do a scene for Black for one of their brands Blacked. And I was kind of nervous about it, but I was like, I don't know, they do such high-quality productions. They're the most high-quality of all the business of what they do. And so I was like, okay, you know, let me do this. And when I did it, it was such a good experience

and I had a script and I was acting again, even though it was a small script, it was still like, I felt, I felt like I was really like doing a high quality production and stuff, but that's not the thing that got me going. I mean, it did get me going, but the Saturday that my black scene was released, I didn't mention it to the press or anything,

but it became like this viral moment on the internet. Because of your past. Because of my past, but I didn't mention it to the press. Yeah. So it broke the internet. I mean, it broke, let's just say it broke black's internet because of the website crashed and stuff. And so it was going crazy, but Caden Cross,

who was a contract star back in the 2000s and 2010s and all that, who was super famous as a contract star back in the 2000s and 2010s and all that, who was super famous and she as a porn star and she started a brand with a Vickson called Deeper.com. She had just started four months before I did my black scene and it's all under the same umbrella of Vickson. So she was doing her first feature film which is a full scripted film and that was her dream too to do a full So it's how long is this like a hour and a half? Yeah, well with the sex scenes, I think it's like four hours Because they're like 40 minutes each. Yeah, but if you were just doing the sex the actual acting stuff

Yeah, but she was starting to film it On the Saturday my film my scene was released and her, the girl in the scene, had some issues and had to drop out, let's just say. Okay. And she didn't think she was gonna be able to do the scene because she was on a deadline or she didn't think she's gonna do the feature. And so she went to Vixen like that Monday

and said, I don't think I can do this. I can't find somebody who can do a lot of dialogue and a big feature film that she was trying to accomplish in this short of time, because I think we only had like a month to go. And they were like, talk to mainland, she acts. And then she's like, mainland, what? And she actually was a boy meets a role fan,

but she didn't realize who I was. Oh my gosh. And so we met that Monday, two days after that scene on a Starbucks and I read her script, and I was like, wait a minute, this is like a full feature, like an independent film or something, like this is exactly what I've been wanting. And we met and we talked and we started filming

and the rest of his story. And that is the one that I announced to the press and that beat Bernie Sanders' heart attack on Google searches the day that it came out. So, um, yeah, that I, Rachel does. Okay, so now at this point do the parents know. The parents found out from news, what was that? New York Post? No, one of those. That wrote about it because, yes, boy, am I dead? Calls up and he's like, wait a minute, what is this? And at this point did they know you were doing,

they only thought you were doing like, like sexy photos? Yes, it was all very secretive. I like it was all, not secretive. Now at this point you're making a lot of money. Yes. But for sure I did anything in porn. I could have like made money and been secret

and did all that for the rest of my life. But doing the sexy stuff that you're doing just by yourself. Yeah, you guys are making good money Yes, so are is anyone around you noticing that like what they're kind of rolling in it like friends? Yeah, there would be people But like yeah, definitely there was my friends and stuff who would like see you like what is she doing it first? Everybody thought oh she on drugs is she crazy? Is she all this then it was like Wait a minute. She's making good money and she's successful at this and she's getting more respect than she ever has. And like, she's getting, like,

now acting roles and stuff. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So people, but then my parents, my dad found out, but I have to say my parents have been super supportive of me. Yeah. Super. I mean, I'm 45 years old. No, I'm an only child. Okay. So I think that helps a little bit. I didn't I mean you guys have any kids no two dogs That's nice so so Okay, so like so you got the award you go to like the avn I know can you I didn't even think I'd be nominated and then I won like I won so many I've won I think as many awards as I've been in scenes I was like, do I have the best ratio of all the awards?

Because I think I have won like 13 or so awards and I've been like, okay, I've been like a 20 scenes. I don't mean anything. You know what's funny? Wilfredell from Boy Meets World was calling me up and he's so sweet about it, everything, but he's like, I won't watch anything you do because you're my little sister,

but he's like, do you do like two scenes a day? And I was like, two scenes a day, I do 10 a year. Like, you do 10 scenes a year. Yeah I was like two scenes a day? I do tinny here You do ten scenes a year. Yeah, I mean like I do big features. Yeah, I do the big deals Right, so you're not boning three different guys. No, no in three different movies. No, I do the big Driving like I think people have the Asian a vision of like That's what I was hot day in the valley and you're just like driving and like I was like I know I'm not caught out with like a wipe day in the valley and you're just like driving and like I was like I was like I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I know, I know, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I know, I was someone's job and he's like very serious about it and it's like oh You know that reminds me of it like you know when you'd be going like a regular show like a sitcom Yeah, obviously and then you would and then they'd be like let's start or something and then say say we need the couple to the left

And then you'd move it to the left and they'd be like stop. Yes, spring prop master out. Yes, because of the union So then they'd be like okay, like you can't move that yeah So like if you were like a little master, I could do that. They're like, nope. The loop master is so disinterested in anything that's happening. It's just making sure that there's enough loop for you. Yeah. It's like, job. And he's also the one who sprays spunk on your face. Because, you know, guys in pictures, they will never do real like ejaculation. Oh they won't why? Well because they do it for the scene so they can't do it twice. So we have to do a scene thing and also like pictures. Oh for those. Yeah so he does it real for the

scene but you can't make him do it twice. So they get smung lube or cittafil. Oh. Did you know cittafil is the secret, spunk ingredient in porn? And that is what is all over your face on those pictures. You know, have you watched it? Like, what have you, like, honestly, I'm very interested in porn, and I like never watch it. I love that. I never watch it.

You need to watch mine. No, no, no, no. You need to watch mine because it is scripted. But it's not stupid. It's not like, it's not like, it's not like, it's not like, or they're like, ooh, it's just like, it's like, you need to watch mine because it is scripted, but I'm not stupid. It's not like, for a razzle or they're like, ooh, it's just like, it's like,

it's super fascinating. Like, there used to be this like, public access show back when I was like, wait a minute, I know what you're talking about. And it was like a talk show, but with porn stars. Yes, what was that?

I don't know, but I would watch it. And I was fascinated by hearing these girls' stories. I remember that. And so like, I knew them. Yeah. I still like, never And I was fascinated by hearing these girls' stories. I remember that. And so I knew them. Yeah. I still never really watched it. I was just kind of fascinated how they got into it, how they were like the happy porn star.

And how, because it was always like the stories of, oh my god, this is so sad how this girl got sucked into porn. I know, I hate those stories. And then everybody that I ever met or interviewed, had a very different take on it. And like I interviewed this one, porn star, I don't know if I feel bad, her name's like escaping me, but she came on the show because I heard her

in the podcast about Tracy Lords. Oh yeah. And I remember seeing her because she was always on, like she did like vivid radio and she had a, Jesse James, I mean, no. But I know who Jesse James is. Yeah, like anyway, I'm feel bad that she's gonna probably be mad because I think she probably listens and I'm sorry. Marikari at all. No, but I've interviewed Mary Carrie. I know. I know. I know her very well. I before born. I know Mary Carrie too, who I, you know, and she's funny. Yeah, she's funny.

And like, so I I've always just kind of interested of just like, you know, just talking about it to openly and doing like, look, I like sex. I like people watching that on set. I like people watching me at home. Like, I'm good and how many people are able to have like, you know, the monogamous marriage at home, but like this is the work and this is that.

And so I've always been been like just really fascinated by it And I remember one time in the 90s. I was like hanging out like you know It's like my comedy like growing stays and someone invited me to the some porn award It wasn't the biggest one. They used to have one in the valet or like somewhere city or something or no No, at Universal City walk did they do that? I don't know, but I went to it. Okay, and I wore it to suck a cute black dress. Okay. And I did think that it was, like, I didn't know what to expect, right?

There's these guys, like, with these big carers, it's a long time, I don't know how his iPhones, you know? And I just remember they were like, can we get a picture with you? And I was like, I think I'm a boxer, like I was like a little bit like, no, but I was like, yes. Like I was kind of like, oh my god. So that little bit like no, but I was like yes. Like I was kind of like, oh my god.

So that I'm just like, but I was just like kind of fascinated like the scene. And I was just like, let me just observe the way I observe everything out in my life. Like I'm just, I love that. Curious. And yeah, and that was with this one person, I interviewed like she, you know, has a whole like, you know, separate life that she, like she, you know, has a whole, like, you know,

of separate life that she protects, like, you know. Oh, a lot of people. Yeah, most people do. And yeah. And like, but then there'll be moments in her life where someone will be like, because she doesn't really do, now she does stuff on OnlyFans, but she is older.

So, but there'd be people that would remember from like, I mean, she was really like a big deal. Okay, so let's talk about like the money guys because How does the money work today? As far as like what people make because it back in the day used to be you got paid per scene and this was your quote But obviously there wasn't a union where you'd get residuals or whatever But a lot of TV now you don't get residuals either, because it's reality streaming and all that.

Yeah, it's like reality shows and stuff. So it's like, how does it work or back end? I believe I have the top salary in the business per scene. I do. I mean, you know, but I make six figures a month and only fans. Great. And so, and then I also have a fleshlight, which is the mold of my vagina and asshole.

Great. Oh, and asshole. Okay. And it's tight chicks and a foamy twirl. So you can go and buy them. Really? Yes. Yeah, they didn't come after you

for using the name or anything. No. Okay. They can't really do that. Oh, tomy twirl. Oh, I think they can't really say anything. Oh, tomy twirl, that's very clever. Yeah. I didn really come up. Oh, toy me twirl. Oh, I think they can't really say any. Oh, toy me twirl, that's very clever.

Yeah. I didn't come up with it. The fleshlight people came up with it. Well, they were smart to do that. They were very smart. I liked that. When they came to me with that, I was like, that's really cute. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, they couldn't come after me for that. But, yeah, so I mean, I have a lot of different, like, streams of income that are from porn. It's amazing to me me if you would have said that a Disney star who was like not the star of the show, but like did well and it worked. But became a top porn star, award winning with money, like making money and became a writer, like my dream, because of porn.

I became... So you write some of the movies? Yeah, I do write some of the stuff. Yeah, I have a couple scenes that I write, but on my book, it's like... And you wrote the book, yeah. Yeah, too, of course. I mean, I know a lot of actors come on and say they write their books.

Yeah, it's like, they're ghostwritten mostly. Of course, you know? And I respect you because you're a writer. Yeah, but I also don't blame someone. You had a juicy story and you don't want to do it. Yeah. Go to a hotel room, lay on the couch, let some chick type away.

Yeah. And then put your side to play the word of that book. Yeah, if it's want to do it. Go to a hotel or I'm laying on the couch, let some chick type away. Yeah, but I did every side, every thing, yeah, if it's not your thing, but when you are a writer, you're so excited. Yeah, you can really enjoy it, and it's fun to go back. But it was so weird to go back. I mean, I know you've written stuff.

Isn't it weird to go back and read it? And no, talk about your life in the past. Oh, to examine yourself, I guess. Yes, I mean, my books both came out before I ever started doing this podcast. Okay, so yeah. And so people would like, would you write another book? And would you?

Honestly, I do so much content and share so much about my life on here and my Patreon as well. My Patreon is like the more personal family relationship friend, but more more little deeper, like even if I want to, you know, I'll kind of reflect on the shows that I did this week,

but then I'll go deeper on something that I know is just safe for a with a smaller audience, type of a thing. And I know that they're my real fans that are like not out to like, you know, you said the wrong word. And now we're going to, you know, the big call while your sponsors to make sure that you never make it.

No, so, I mean, I think that that is all great. The Patreon, the Ellen fans, the whole thing. But yeah, I think, with writing a book, it is so much work and it's just like, I'm not in that mode anymore when I wrote the book. I was writing at Chelsea lately, so I was like, I was right into like getting like, I'm not in that mode anymore. When I wrote the book, so I was writing at Chelsea lately. So I was like, I was really into like, getting on there, typing in that mode.

And now my mode is this and creating these shows and stuff. So I'm not sure if I've written the book. I'm not writing too. So I'm never gonna say never, never. Yeah, sure. But for me, like, I mean, you only have so much information. Yes. You know what's so funny? this boy meets world podcast now.

Yeah. You see that? No, but it's called, uh, pod meets world. Yeah. And will actually from the show, he's sweet. He calls me up and he wants me to be on it and stuff and he's very sweet. Yeah. But I'm thinking like Danielle on the show, she like is giving all this information out,

like these sound bites and everything. And I'm like, she wrote a book years ago. Why didn't she put it in the book? Because it's like, what? Like, why is it coming out now? Right, well, it's like a Megan Markle who saved her juice for the pod. Yeah.

That's what I say when people walk in. I'm like, save it for the pod. Save it for the same. So, hey, you know what? You said that when I walked in. Yes, I said, I said, I was such a fan of yours because I love like a beautiful, smart, funny woman. Oh, thank you.

Like I really, no, I love that. I love, I respect that so much. But yeah, I mean, who knows? You know, everyone is doing their thing. I think it's great. I think in the past, it was a little, like we were a little more nervous to say things. Like now that we have more freedom.

More freedom, and she also probably feels like, you know, like I said about certain things, like you're still hoping to get called back to do that job or whatever. And now she feels like it really wouldn't matter. And like, yeah. And if I do something in this field, it's like this one producer is

and gonna be the one that can say yes to know to me. The way they had so much more power back in the day Yeah, like where you like I even brought this up the other day on my show where I'm like, you know with Brittany Yeah, I can hurt 22 minutes reflux reflecting and I'm like even people that have not been like Seriously as abused as she right you can look back on a job like you did, or, you know, and be like, what the fuck? That's what I did. I know it was that. And why, why?

And like, you can sometimes even be a little about mad at yourself. And you shouldn't be, because you were younger. But you're like, why the hell was I not like? Yeah. The photography, you know, the wardrobe girl can take a photo of me. I don't need that.

That's what I felt. Where a pair of heels is strut into a room and turn around and then have them tell me something and then I have to laugh. I just imagine you standing there. They say something so that your tits are bouncing and you're like 21 and you're like, hmm, one's cross services. Yes, exactly. And it wasn't like they sexually assaulted me.

It was more like I was the butt of a joke all the time. It was the butt of some boy's locker room joke. Yeah. That's what it was. And like all the scripts that I was in and stuff, it's like I had a food fight where I had to rub marinara sauce on and it wasn't Will's fault, Will for the whole space.

He was just the actor in it. But somebody in the office had a food foot fetish. I'm serious. Oh, have you like obviously know about all the Dan Schneider stuff? Oh, a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah. And so I love that that's coming out. I know. It's a crazy. It's even with Jeanette McCurdy's book. Yes. She didn't read book yet. She turned down $300,000.

They wanted to give her $300,000 to sign something when the show ended that she would never talk about Nickelodeon or Dan Schneider. So in the book, she calls him the creator. the creator. But I believe she's not holding back. I believe her story is her story. Whether he did worse stuff to other people, we, that's those people to tell. And maybe they're okay. Who knows how many people accepted the $300 that had worse stuff happen to them or whatever they offered them. And she even said, God, at one point, I was like, what was I thinking? And I mean, her book's a hit. And it's really interesting because it's like, you know, it's that whole child star thing. And it's crazy

because it's like, I'm like, we still do need like kids to act. Yeah. Like if you're in a movie, I think now it's not like nobody, you're doing a thing and there's a mom and she's a six-year-old who she, you know, is eating a peanut butter jelly sandwich. I think it's not all horrific. I think now though it's a little better because people are keeping a watch on things like that.

Back then they were just like, one hour. Like, you know? Yes. Well, I'm so excited. Congratulations. This is, I'm definitely going to read it. And tell everybody where they can get more of us and obviously order the book and all that. Oh, well, they can order rated X anywhere like Amazon Barnes and all. Well, anywhere books are really sold and it's coming out next Tuesday as it's,

oh, it's coming out now. September 6th. Yeah. We taped this a little earlier. Yeah. No, but it's here. It's September 6th. And you can see it there on Maitlin Ward is my handle on it. Everything.

OK, guys, I actually didn't end the show. I had actually more questions. And they are even a very more graphic. A little definitely dirtier. So if you want to hear it, fair warning, stay and keep listening. And again, I wouldn't have it blaring through your car. Here we go.

So. And what would you tell someone who is a young girl that like, or not young, or just someone that like is like, you know what, this is what I wanna do. And I mean, is there ever a point where you're like, I'm gonna want to stop doing this? Like, you have a date or anything? No, and it's not, you know what,

I wanna tell everybody, and this is really why I wear the book too, it's not about me doing porn. I mean, that's the shock factor or whatever, because I did something so more salacious than most people would do. But if somebody is telling you no, like I've been told, like in the past, you cannot be sexy.

No one will pay a dime for you being sexy. And I said that. My publicist at the time. And he was trying to be helpful. If he was. This is when you were still doing mainstream acting. Yes, but it was around the time when girl meets world of coming out and stuff.

And he's like, don't put up the sexy pictures. If they wanted somebody sexy, they'd choose somebody 25. And so, and I was, you know, getting to be late 30s or whatever. And I was like, um, so, but then at that time, I was like, I was old enough and I guess smart enough to think, no, I'm going to be my own self. And I think that's true for anyone, especially women. They need to go out and forward to their own paths. If people are telling you no, they don't want you to succeed. They don't want you to make your own path and stuff. So I really think it doesn't have to be porn.

It could be, you could be want to be an artist or like a gardener or whatever you want to be, like a chef. Like, but if it's something that's passionate to you. You had such a positive experience because I think you were older because you were a bit more into the business. Absolutely. Kind of a, honestly because you took kind of a Honestly like a kind of cool step word into it with the the Instagram and the patreon and the only fans and then the full, you know stuff

Like is there anything that you That that you would say don't do this or do this or what I would tell some or to be careful or like any kind of advice Like someone that is thinking, I think I'm going to make porn. Or yeah, get into porn or get into this field. I think only fans is a great way to do it because it's your own stuff. You're not being controlled by anybody else. You're doing your own content and stuff. But it is important to, if you don't have any following or anything, you like mainstream porn is something that you would want to do. Like just but like if you know following yeah, yeah, yeah, I was everyone from a different

way. Everyone's starting like an only friends and I get that but I'm like well if you're just like I'm peeling off now though. The ones that the ones that just came in like a nurse or something or like you know who wasn't really serious about it but right. Right. Yeah. Right. because it is a job and you have to be really sarcastic. Yes exactly there's so many podcasts and people peel off because they're like it's too hard. Right yeah yeah so it's like that exactly to have longevity in it it's very difficult but I would say that definitely listen to yourself like I like know your boundaries and know limits. And I think that's true for acting for any actress coming into the field.

I mean, in the Florence, this is the Anna's show. Like, is there something that you won't do or like that you were like, I never thought I would do this? Oh, I never knew. Like, we so good at anal. Okay. Yeah.

No, honestly. Had you done anal like, yes, private life. But not in the massive dicks that I later had okay So I have a whole chapter in my book about anal about anal cleaning out and all that but I've discovered yes that I'm I'm easily cleaned out and I'm I took it all right away Like all right, I thought right away. I'd be like oh my god this massive dick I'm gonna have to wait for like to to warm up and it was like it went all the way right away

And I surprised you love that so you and you love that no, I do it No, I was impressed with myself and you know what I found myself in porn along the way being impressed with myself Like the first time I did a blowjob. I was like okay on my content with my husband like filming it and everything And I wanted to like tip toe into it. So I did a below job with a big dick. I was like, wow, I'm good at this. I'm slavering all over the thing. Like, I did it. And then what about,

I'm impressed with my husband and best. I did what about like, do you do multiple guys that save your life? Absolutely. I've done an orgy at 3.30 in the morning. I'm like on deeper.com. So there's really nothing. With snakes.

With snakes. Real snakes. Well, snakes are in you? No. No, no, no, no. They were crawling over us at one point and then they left the vicinity. Like, we didn't do anything with the snake. So you have surprised yourself.

I have surprised myself. And so is there anything you won't do that other people are doing on film? There's very little you can go beforehand but scenes like people talk about it and like what is your nose? What are your guesses? Like what are you not on? I'm like I really have very few nose. I mean maybe if I was doing some very hardcore like BDSM scene I would like you know I'd be but I'm kind of open to a lot. And I've surprised myself with that. Like I just did DP.

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Yes, it was, because it's very hard to find guys in real life. I was too nervous in my past. That won another guy in the scene. Yes, because they get very like, I don't know. Like, they have their own issues. Yeah, I think it's like a, like, it's like, gay light or something. Yeah, I don't know. They have their own issue but I think it's like a look like it's yeah it's like it's like gay light or something yeah I don't know they have their own issues with it so yeah it's far defined two guys that will want to do it in the same scene like that okay it's easier and porn but in real life it's like you know oh okay and to the guy still like it paid very

much they get paid less than the women yeah yeah which is it's all industry I know when I came in I was like wait a minute women get paid more the women directors. Yeah. Yeah. See, it's the only industry. I know when I came in, I was like, wait a minute, women get paid more. The women directors are winning all the prizes, like all the awards. It's like, yeah, yeah. Industry. Well, you've learned a lot. I learned a lot. And I really appreciate you answering the questions. And yeah, everybody get the book, follow her, figure it follow her figure it out figure it out in your own room with her by yourself or make a business out of it do your thing do it do your thing who cares just be happy yes that's my theme awesome thank you thank you

Thank you.