Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Hayden's Final Days, Perez Update, and Classic Hollywood Rumors with Kate Casey

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

Kate Casey and I discuss the deeply sad circumstances surrounding Hayden Panettiere, including the troubling details she shared over the past year. Plus, Perez Hilton remains in a mental health facility, so what does that mean for his empire, his fortune, and his sister's role in it all? Then, we are dissecting Ultimate Girls Trip, RHOC, and Jordyn Woods’ stunning fairy-tale wedding to a Knicks player, while I break down Taylor Swift's recent wedding appearance (and yes, we have to talk about her hair). With several Real Housewives dropping new tracks, I’m left wondering: is it time for a Juicy Scoop single? While Ariana Madix reigns on Broadway, another former reality star is literally applying to McDonald's. Plus, Kaia Gerber is starring alongside her mom's famous ex, Richard Gere’s son, which launches us right into one of the absolute craziest pre-internet Hollywood rumors of all time and how it impacted his career. Finally, we break down The Valley and answer the ultimate real-world dilemma: should you actually invite all your toxic coworkers to your wedding? -Get 15% off your first order plus free shipping at BollandBranch.com/juicyscoop with code juicyscoop   -For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you visit ⁠Nutrafol.com⁠ and enter promo code JUICYSCOOP. - Go to ButcherBox.com/JUICYSCOOP to get $20 off your first box, plus your choice of free ground beef for life, or free chicken thighs or top sirloins in every box for a year —with free shipping always Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net/⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠ ⁠https://www.patreon.com/cw/juicyscoop⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopTZFUvAeokrJJ6dQ5wuAW1T3nssO6pHk47u7KymJUBtBgKCvfX⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald/⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Thank you. Welcome back. Welcome. Thank you. Glad to be here. We have a lot to get into, a lot to cover. We're going to cover some fun shows and some typical juicy scoop stuff.

I do want to start out the show with very sad news. Hayden Panettaire, you know by now that she did pass away on Sunday night, I believe is when they found her early Monday morning. She was only 36 years old. She's been an actress since she was a child. Yeah. Really became famous for the show Heroes when she was like a teenager. Has gone through a lot, wrote a memoir, had a very difficult marriage to the point where she chose or decided. or it was decided for her. I'm not exactly sure, but it was unusual that she had the husband

have custody of her child, but it seemed like she was had still a strong relationship with the child. Yeah. But they did just, we didn't know, but right as recording, they did find Narcan in her house, and so they believe it was an overdose. And then the reason that she would have Narcan is knowing that overdosing might be an issue, you have it there. Just so. So upsetting. So sad. I mean, thank God for Narcan.

It saves a lot of lives. And I guess if you know you have an addiction issue, have it present. But it's like... I'm so grateful that she wrote that book. Yeah. Now I want to read it. I've not read it. Part of her story, I think, has been kind of mysterious because she's,

started acting so young and a friend of mine who's been in the same sort of circles because of kids has said she just never had a chance she started acting so early and when you're in that environment and if you don't have people that are protecting you and she was pretty open in her book about the experiences that she had and I hope the people all go back and read it now and give her a little bit of grace to be like 13 years old and to have experienced what she she did, it's not a shock to me that life would become so difficult. Well, one of the stories that she recently shared about on Jay Shetty's podcast was when she was 18, she was on one of these yachts, and she was excited to be on the yacht, and she said she was having a great time and knew many of the people on the yacht. And this one woman who she knew, trusted, like a mentor, was like, oh, come down to, you know, the bottom part of the yacht or the ships and brought.

brought her into this room with this grown man that was naked with his hands behind his head. And he was very, very famous. She didn't reveal who that was and just was like lay down next to him and like shut the door. And she didn't. She got up. She left. And then basically she was like hiding in compartments of this yacht until because she's like, what am I going to do?

Jump out of the ship. Yeah. And, you know, in the. the comments now that this is resurfaced they're like why don't people tell these stories and you know why don't they say who it is and I mean because it's a legality thing it's a scary whatever least she's kind of sharing like what kind of weird shit happened but you know of course the conspiracy theories went right away before we knew that she it appears has had an OD situation and there really isn't any like foul play or anything it was like oh my god she's going to reveal names and

somebody got to her and yeah but even telling something like that in like the biggest podcast and putting it out there that probably added to an already addictive stressful situation we don't know who she heard from that we don't know even if it was a comment being like you better watch out now and what else is there and or blaming her or why did you go on the yacht I mean who knows what she went through just beautiful and it's you know it seemed like she was doing better and then she also had this other relationship with this guy this this interview on TMZ with Charlie who is a TMZ reporter interviewed her boyfriend this was three months ago her on and off again boyfriend named brian hickerson um and this clip he seems like i don't know if he's just a

slow talking southern person or if he was on something but yeah it didn't It seemed a little odd and it was like a virtual interview. And it's kind of like, really, you have to go on TMZ and like talk about your on and off girlfriend three months ago. Like what was this even, what was the point of this? But also, why are they interviewing him? Who made the decision? Let's get an interview with this guy. I mean, it was three months ago.

So, of course, these things are resurfacing. But TMZ is putting it out again. Like, let's put all of our stuff because people are going to be searching and looking for it. If you have an interview with someone from a couple months ago, I don't blame someone for being like, by the way, I didn't interview this person. Maybe this is something. So anyway, very, very sad, sad for her family, obviously, and her child.

So talented. And so beautiful. I saw that her former colleague who played her mother when she was younger said she was the finest child actor she'd ever work with. Well, I mean, children actors, child actors, they have to be extremely smart, you know, because they have to learn how to read young, they have to be able to memorize, take direction. So they're like old souls to start, which also then puts them in a vulnerable position because they're around adults, they are, you know, again, they're easy to direct.

They're, you know, they're not rolling around the floor at five years old. They're like on set, keeping their mark, doing the same thing over. over and over again. So there's a lot of thought that they easily can be manipulated. Other sad part of that is that when you're a child who's been abused, you have to learn to study people to ensure that you're safe in spaces. And that's probably why she was a great actress too, is that she had to learn how to study people in order to make sure that she was safe.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Very, very sad. This was happy news that happened over the week. weekend. Jordan Woods and Carrie Anthony Towns. He plays for the Knicks. They had a beautiful wedding in Malibu, and it was really gorgeous. It was black tie, and everyone was to wear black, which that really does look really great. When I went to Kim Kardashian's wedding to Chris Humphrey, everybody was to wear black or white and or black and white. That looks good, too, but then you feel a little weird wearing white, even though you're like told to. I think,

wearing all black is a really great way to go. And everyone looks great. And everyone's happy. You really stand out as the bride. She wore very traditional dress. To remind you of who Jordan Woods is, she has created a very good career in the modeling world, influencer world.

But she was introduced to Kylie Jenner because her dad worked on Fresh Prince of Bel Air. So her family knew, Jaden, Smith of Jada and Will Smith's son Jaden, and Jaden and Kylie dated in high school. So then Jordan became Kylie's best friend. And then I believe her dad passed. And so they did a lot together with her family. She moved, at one point they were living together, she and Kylie. And when they did this show called Kylie's World or something. I remember it very well. It was a horrible show. Yeah, it wasn't a strong show.

It was bad. It basically replaced the Black China Rob show. So I think there was a slate for that. Right. And that was not working out because every scene was just them screaming at each other and Woodland Hill is like throwing things at each other. And so it was like, well, Kylie, you know, can do this show with her friend. And, you know, it wasn't juicy.

It was, you know, her doing like some charitable work and things like that. I was actually in a small part of one of the scenes because I helped with this fan of hers who had a very debilitating disease that wanted to meet her. And I reached out and I was like, I know you guys, I made sure that they were okay with filming. And then I was like, if you wanted to film this, like, they will film it because she's so such a fan of Kylie's. And Kylie, both Kylie and Jordan were lovely, lovely, lovely during that time. So then after that, everything's going fine. The show was one season. I don't think it was Kylie's jam.

Kylie's not like even into the shows now. She just does her own thing. And then, you know, while Tristan and Chloe were still trying to be a couple after True was born, which by the way, Tristan, remember, we found out Tristan cheated on Chloe. And she had to like put a smile on to have a happy birth, literally found out like the day she was. being like rolled into have the baby they try to make it work and there's some party and people see Jordan kissing Tristan at early in the morning just like at the door and it gets back and that was a huge thing that to betrayal and blah blah blah but Kylie was really I remember Kylie there was a

scene and Kylie calls the sisters and she's like this is awful and I'm hurt and I know you guys are hurt but like we're better than this and like let's just like lay off of her and so they were able to eventually rebuild their friendship and kiley and timothy and justin and um haley were all there oh that's good by the way next great championship last game i mean yeah oh ben stiller was there and his wife well i think he's like their biggest fan or whatever he's making a doc i think he was making a documentary about the next like the last season i mean it was i mean i mean If you're going to marry a basketball player, you married a champion. He's cute.

He seems super into her. It's just lovely that. Best time of their lives. You know, and like when you think about a young girl that was drinking all night or at somebody's house and this guy goes to like kiss her, yeah, it's horrible. It is horrible. It's your best friend and you're close to Chloe too. Like, what are you thinking? What are you doing?

Well, you're not thinking. And you are young. And really the person to be mad at was Tristan. Yeah, I know. And it appears that they never really have been romantic again. It looks like Chloe and him never have. But it just... I know.

But this was like such a happy ending. Yeah. So good for her. Yeah, see how pretty... Was that the wedding? That's the wedding in Malibu. Very pretty. Like really looked good.

Then Taylor was at some other wedding. And this was like an unfortunate photo because this is like just a little bustle. But it looked like it's coming out of our bride's butt. But anyway, I just cannot. You have feelings. I can't get over the hair color of Taylor Swift and the bangs. I just, I think she's beautiful, you know, and I don't know if this, is this her real color? And she just is like one of those people that says I don't want to put any highlights in it.

I mean, it is the epitome of Mousie Brown. And I just don't get it. And I don't get the weird bang thing. She doesn't want to sit in her hair color. She's like, I got to write songs. I just think maybe it is. She's like, I want to have a hair color that nobody else in their right mind would ever have either. Maybe.

I don't know. It is just, and the bangs. I just can't. Well, the nice thing about bangs is that you don't have to get Botox in your forehead. True that. So maybe she's like, I don't have time to do Botox. I don't time to dye my hair. I'm like making deals happen left and right.

Yeah, and maybe this is her way of just staying completely unique. Good for her. Don't conform. Don't conform to acute hairdo. Keep an ugly one because you can sing and write music and play instruments. Perez Hilton, the latest is he's receiving impatient mental health care. And the site, the perezhilton.com, is starting to post again. I believe it's his sister who worked with him and is running it. they were giving the updates on the site.

Why not? You have to have ads running that. Now, if she works with him and she has a child, then they've got the mother and they've got his three kids, and he's not going to be the face of this anymore, it's going to be a hard thing to sustain. Well, according to Rob Shooter, he says that as of recently, he was trying to sell the site.

He wanted to either completely change it over. to be more faith-centered because he's had this spiritual awakening, but that he was trying to sell it and no one was interested. So that probably compounded on the stress from sepsis, the medical bills, which seems plausible to me. Yeah, I, when we originally heard about the live TikTok of where he was self-harming and being so awful and scary, I thought I think he has financial issues.

But then I heard, no, he's in this small house in Miami with bars on the windows while his $4.7 million house gets built. I'm not buying any of that. That seems strange. Yeah. Like even if you were building this, why would you have to be in this very average looking house? Did he say why he left Las Vegas? No. Because if you see the footage of the home that he was in when he was in,

this happened, it doesn't look like a multi-million dollar home. No, they're saying he was in this, the house doing this while this other Miami home was being built. I mean, the only thing, the only reason I could think that you'd go from Las Vegas to Florida is just some better tax option that's better than Nevada, but I thought no, no, no, Nevada is great. Unless it's that he wanted to be near his mother and sister. No, the mother lives with them. Yeah, this whole story's weird. It's very weird and I wonder you know if there were some some type of like drugs or something that would have something's going to the psychosis and the breakdown and now it's like is this sister going to have to get a conservative ship right well to be able to run things and and then I saw somewhere

else that the mother might get temporary custody of the kids so that they don't go to foster care. someone needs to step up and say I need to take care of those kids. Yeah. So you want to make sure that you have like someone in the family doing that. But yeah, it's not good. I feel I hate to tell you what my bad feeling is. Just say it. It's just your thoughts. Just your opinion. I feel like something bad's going to come out.

There has to be something else to this story. Yeah, I don't know. But I just, I mean, I don't. Yeah, it's just, it seems like it's very, it's very strange. But you never know why someone like totally loses it. True. That's true. And you know the near death experience and all that stuff.

But yeah, how else? I mean, I do think it's a lot when this is all you know is like this gossipy stuff. You're not the top of the top of the totem pole anymore because so many people can do it, us included. And then you have the sister and you have the mother and you have all these kids. And I also saw a interview of him kind of being like. like I'm not going to give my kids anything. They're not getting, no, the money goes to me. It's my money.

And like, that's fine. There's people that are like, you know, I forgot who people love when like a rich person says, and then I told my son, you're not rich, I'm rich. Right. You know, da, da, da, da. And like, I get it. So he could have been playing off of that and being like, no, I'm not like setting up my kids with houses and stuff.

Like, they're going to have to work like I did. But it seemed a little weird. It seemed a little resentful. It sure did. And it's like you did choose to have these kids. You know, you didn't get knocked up. That's right. You know, you went and got a surrogate and chose to have three children alone without a partner.

And he did feature the kids. Did you see what Lady Gaga put out? No, what did she? She posted something along the lines of it. I'm paraphrasing, but she recalled the meanest message. ever sent her she had been maybe in a car accident and he said something that was super nasty and at first i read it and i went ooh and then i thought all of us have gone through that where something happens to someone and you go back to the moment that you got the nastiest text or

something and you can never let it go yeah i mean there's a lot of people that are like you know what i don't feel sorry for him at all i don't care this is the ultimate karma he's fucking evil. If he ends up at conservatorship, like Britney Spears did, he put that woman through hell. He mocked every single moment of her, you know, breakdowns and things like that. So we don't feel bad, you know, like the things that he did on that side, even though he apologized and kind of tried to change his ways and he would still, he'd still put out the gossip, but it would be written like, wow, this is really, really heartbreaking, humiliating stuff about the person and then, but our thoughts and prayers are with them.

You know, like that's the only difference. He still would put out the state. He was not, it's like if you're really going to change, you're going to really say, hey, I don't want to be part of this like gossip thing of celebrity. And I get it. Some people opt out after a while or don't want to do it or whatever. And, you know, then then, no. don't do it at all. Like, but like, don't all of a sudden still do it, but instead of drawing

dicks on, you know, a teenager's face or white lines, you're still saying. Something you just said is sticking with me. The fact that you just pointed out that he would talk about Britney Spears and what a full circle thing. Yeah. With a conservatorship, possibly. Right. Like, I'm going to think about that for a couple days to come. Yeah. So, we'll see. Start your Alienware Journey with the streamlined Alienware 15. They designed this machine. to refine the essentials, creating a more focused gaming laptop for players who demand quality without the clutter. They designed a brilliant 15.3-inch 16-hirt display seamlessly into a portable 15-inch body. You get a larger immersive window into your game that still travels easily

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It was on last night. It was the second episode. They head to Beverly Hills to have like a lunch with Sutton. What is your feeling about the show? Highlights. Portia's hysterical. She's so joyful and cute. And cute.

I feel like Portia and Nini are AP scholars. Yeah. And the Orange County women were like basic science classes that were required for graduation. They're in two different leagues. Yeah. And having seen some of them in Orange County, it was really sort of jarring to see their whole beat off. They're so much slower that Lisa Barlow is so much nicer and funnier and kinder than she is on her own show. I don't know what it, like these women bring out a part of her that the others do not. I think the Lisa Barlow of Salt Lake City is just like she's.

one of those people like, oh my God, everybody's so mean to me on my cast. And everything is my fault. And they point to me and it's really sad because I really, it's like all these girls are so fun. And it's true. It's like this is like when you're in class and it's so boring and you get to go on a field trip. And you're like, actually, I really like science. Because we got to go to, you know, SeaWorld or whatever. Like I don't, I think that's what it is. I think it's like this is what's fun. When you're really on the show, you have to defend your family, your marriage. They try to take down your business.

They say mean things about you that you're not aware of. It is really, really hard for these women. Where Heather and Whitney are like, just so you guys know, like Lisa's an asshole. Well, what's your... By the way, you are in the clip. In the clip, Whitney and Bronwyn are... Oh, it's Brian.

I'm talking to Whitney and Bronwyn. I'm finding out about Bronwyn's new dude. Nice. Good for her. left in a warm bed in like Montana somewhere and at the time she's telling me and I'm like how's Todd and she's like he's being really nice to me so I was like don't worry I'm not going to say that you're like with this dude because this was before it was out but I was like good for you for getting rid of the grump from the movie up like goodbye with that sad sack and so

They're like, you know, talking and we're having fun. At the time Whitney was telling me like, oh, my God, my business, I'm here. The most exciting thing is happening with my business. And I was like, okay, that's great. And then Giselle came up and that's when they're like, we need to warn you, Giselle, like, watch out for Lisa Barlow. And that's where I'm just sitting going, like, I'm not leaving. They're not telling me to leave and I'm not going to leave.

and basically they're warning her like and you know and Giselle is also very good at this game she is elite level like in that she's entertaining she's not too mean she doesn't like plot a bunch of shit

behind the scene she's really kind of good in the moment and she's like what do you mean like she's been really pleasant to me and they're she's like Giselle you just met her you have no idea the kind of shit Lisa Barlow can do

to destroy your life. She will gain information from you and then use it against you. Giselle's like, I don't know what kind of information I'm giving her. I'm like, no, you're not giving her any. Like, there is nothing that you guys, there's nothing that's going to happen on this show

that's going to be like ruin people's lives. That's not what this field trip is about. Like, this is not the elder girl's trip. So I was just saying, and they're just like, And meanwhile, like, Lisa Barlow is across the backyard at the white party the whole time. Having a great time. Never coming near.

She was nothing to do with them. Yeah, I think that was it. Joselle came up and she's like, why is your cast, half your cast over here, meaning Lisa Barlow and Meredith. So they were good. So Meredith is there too. And they're like across the way. And then, you know, and then Whitney and Bronwyn are over there. And I'm just like.

Do you think that the women who are from the franchises who are not invited as the core group feel like, okay, I'm going to be on the show for a hot minute. I really got to make my presence known because the funny thing is the core group, they're just laughing and have a good time. But in the first episode of Orange County, you have Tamara fighting with Shannon, and it ruined the whole vibe. It ruined the whole vibe. And I definitely think that was very performative on Tamara's part because it wasn't Shannon that brought it up. But then it was Giselle that was like, tell me, do you two hate each other? you know and then but they could have been like maybe today i mean they could have made a joke about it yeah but i mean listen tamara's whole job for 20 years what is to make something happen in a scene

and it was mean what she said and uncalled for because she's like i'm good i'm i've got a husband and my kids are in college and i was like i'm sorry shana's daughters are doing really well yeah are really successful one already graduated from college and the other works in New York. And the other two are still there. And the other two are still like currently enrolled. I'm like living a great life. And I'm like and now aren't we watching you say the college thing didn't work out for Sophia and that's why I got at this apartment. And I don't know. And who cares if someone is in college or not? Like it just, especially in this day and age, I just thought it was just like a weird. Like, did you not plan this out enough in the car when you were like tying a roller skates? Like you should have planned it up better because that was a lot of people were like, why is she bringing up the kids thing? Just. It ruined the whole thing. When your own daughter doesn't talk to you. Like I don't, I was just like, I was team shin on that one.

And I would, and walk away. I hate it when people like, walk away. Yeah, I will walk away. Like, why would I be subjected to you? Yeah. Basically saying like that I'm a bad mother. Like, it was. I know, but they could make it funny.

She could walk away and go, okay, lunatic or, you know, something like that. But it's too serious. It's like, there's, yeah. So then that was like, well, now you guys are in trouble and you're not invited to anything else. and then they go to these other parties and they have the ugly pants party thing. Yeah. Which is cute.

How about on the drive to Beverly Hills? They're all like, Vicky you suck who's on her laptop. Same thing, 20 years later still. The woman does not evolve at all. I've got work to do. Again, how many years have we said this to each other on the phone? Is it a flex?

No. That you're still selling insurance policies? At 64 years old. Where are all the other businesses that you had created from this show? Vicki's diamonds. You're supposed to have diamonds. for Vicki.

Wine by Wives. There was the vodka that had like a weird flavor. I don't even remember. It was called Vicki's Vodka. God help me, okay. And it had like pepper or like Bloody Mary or something in it. Great.

That didn't go. She had a book. Oh my God. There's been so many, you know, other things, multiple podcasts, you know. But oh, you know what? The one that she does now. Well, we love Christian. Yeah.

But how is it that she can recap and talk about the show? But it's my understanding, Tamara can't with Teddy. Teddy has to get like other co-hosts during the airing of the show. I think Vicky just doesn't give a shit. Yeah, she doesn't give me. She's like, whatever. Yeah, that's why I'm like, she doesn't get, like, this is the thing. Yeah.

I don't think she wants to come back after these seasons. I don't think she cares either. I think she got that orange and she's like, I want to end on a high note, but I'm also not going to miss a dollar. So I'm going to take these two-hour bus ride to... Leverly else. And work on my shit. And I don't care.

And then when... Then what Teresa's like, well, since we're talking about it, like, you're really mean to me, too. You're like, pay your taxes and like, what did you mean by that? Like, that was, like, not nice. That gives me a lot of anxiety. And he's like, that was someone else at my cast. I know. Wait, who on your cast didn't pay their taxes?

That's what I would love to know. Like, who are you talking about? But then all of a sudden she goes, oh, you guys need to shop at that store. It's great for luxury stuff. Very high end, very high end. Like, what? You cannot with her ever. But, you know, she's so terrible that it's entertaining.

You always have to have some. It's the same thing with the Valley. You have to have somebody that everybody talks shit about. They all have to get professional makeup to stay in the hotel room and have their... Enough with the scenes where the makeup artists are doing their hair and makeup. I don't need that. I don't need it. Well, sometimes there's conversations, that's why.

Very rarely. Yeah. So we, so yeah, that's where we are with that. It's kind of fun. Everybody else you've talked about, okay. Oh, we talked about a little bit like, you know, Kyle's crying about her 30-year wedding anniversary, and I talked a little bit about how awful Vicki was when she said, like,

no, you should feel that. Because she's like the whole scene. She's like old school person whose entire. a sense of self is building around a man. I just want to know is Dawn watching like I'm sure he's not

but I would love to know what's up with him. Like she has regretted I thought that was interesting. Okay in the show Vicky's like you know I got wrapped up in being a TV star

and everything and I should have stayed with Don I should have stayed with Don I shouldn't have fooled around I shouldn't say fold around but remember something happened in Cabo off camera

where she and Tamara probably got like a free trip and went. And then Tamara on the reunion goes, you called me the next morning and it's like, there's a naked guy in my bed. And Vicki's like, you're disgusting Tamara. And like Tamara, like Tamara cannot keep a secret. Yeah.

Cannot keep a secret. Like that's why I think people are afraid of her in the cast because she has that ability to like a girlfriend where you want to confide and everything. But you know, you never know. And it's not going to be just shared at a lunch. It's going to be shared with cameras on, maybe even save it for the reunion. So that is probably what ended their marriage, I think.

Maybe. I don't know if she was already seeing Brooks, but it appeared like maybe she was. Yeah, but it could be like the Angie situation on Salt Lake City where the husband's like, you have become a monster. I cannot deal with this. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, but she basically says that.

She's like, I wish I would have focused more on like the law, which is also very insulting to her living boyfriend Michael, which is like, I don't know if he married or not that here's her now, but he is a developer. He's a developer. I'm like, I don't really, I think she doesn't like being alone, but I think

she still is like, if I could go back, like she said, I would have just stuck with Don and just take, like he was probably just an easy going dude and, you know, was good to her kids and whatever. She, because,

Because by leaving, because by leaving Dawn, she had to suffer with horrible Brooks. Praise them. That's what they're like, I can go to my DMs and get told how I'm the best person that ever walked planet Earth. Right. And you don't even seem to care that like, I'm a big deal on the Bravo network. And these men are like, fuck off. But when you think about thinking, after, after dawn, she had horrible Brooks, okay?

Yeah. Which still, people are always going to question. I want to know what happened on that guy. Can we do like a... He's married. He got married. Do they have kids? Where is he living?

No, I don't think he had kids. I think she was like... Is he selling time shares? Like, what's happening? I think he married. I think he's a grifter. It looked like he had a very nice wedding. He married...

I remember seeing the photos. He married an attractive girl that was probably like 10 years younger than Vicky. Okay. So like younger than him. But, I mean, I remember one time we were hanging out with him. And he said he was 46. and Peter was like

Peter was like, no you're not to the point where Brooks had to like take out his ID and I'm like Peter that is like so rude. But was he 46? Yeah, he was. Okay. He was one of those people I think that just always looked 55 from like 40.

In high school he looked like an insurance salesman with a briefcase 100%. Selling tiles or something. Then she got the horrible sheriff who was the. brother of the host from blind date who then ran for governor who then brought a school teacher to the Port of Iarda condo behind Vicky's back and then married her within months who's 30 years younger than him. Again, I'd like to do where are they now. Are they still married? Well, someone will tell us.

Someone will tell us. Maybe I need to get Brian Moylan in on this. He would do, he would go back and check all this stuff out. And then, and then she would. She has this guy who seems fine. But I think she's just, I like that she, when I saw the edited clip of her not consoling Kyle, I made fun of it because we hadn't seen it yet. To Jacques Peterson and I was like, oh my God, like who says this to somebody? But then when I watched the whole thing, I was like, this is why we're watching Ultimate Girl's Trip. It's for people, for them to really reflect on what it's like to be a real housewife. To be on TV, to expose your family and your marriage.

And what things are you happy about? What things do you regret? And even though she's being like kind of a nightmare dick, like she is giving it. That was her experience. She's giving it and she's being honest. And then we get over to her own season of season 20. It is, I mean, it takes me like three to four attempts to get through it.

It is so dull. It's bad. And, you know, compared to like when you're watching something that you are into and you're like sitting up and like really taking notice, there's just nothing going on. It's nobody's fault. It's just, it is what it is. Like this is their life and there's nothing going on. Yeah. And, you know, but going to Las Vegas and doing the show girl thing where Vicki was reminding me of Dustin Hoffman and Tutsi, it was just like it looked, everyone looked awful.

Why are you making these older women put on these skimpy outfits? It's like a retirement home. And everyone at the retirement home does little plays and stuff. And has like theme nights where they dress them up. Because when they're just sitting around, it's so boring. They have to do things that are like really out of the box to get them excited and to make it fun. I'm Darmann. And this is what happens next.

Each week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who have faced tremendous setbacks. and yet somehow have found a way to turn them into their greatest strengths. Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police complaints filed against me. When your free will was about to be taken from you, what would you do if it was given back? Where did that need come from where you thought that you had to succeed in order to feel loved? He said, I have a work dad, I need a home dad. What happens next?

When I came in he started crying. Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not those hard moments that they go through. It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dar, I'm not going to pull punches.

You can use your voice even if it's shaped. The stories are different, but the impact is the same. Only one question matters. What happens next? Right. She's got her bum knee. And then they're like... dressed up like old women and 80s.

The lady's like, five, six, seven, eight. And then Shannon steps on six. Okay, Shannon, I know you said that absolutely you're this uncoordinated and clumsy. But you know not to start stepping before you hear, everyone knows, five, six, seven, eight. And everyone knows that whether you can dance or not. It would have been funnier if she was like, I'm not going to even try this. Like, I can't have deuce of aerobics. Like, what is the point?

Well, she knows that's what she can do. And she knows that's way, look, you know, she's got nothing else going on. She's not dating anybody. She's not really doing a business anymore. The lemon pants are sold out. So why do they keep bringing the same cast back? The last episode, it was a fight for 20 minutes about you're my best friend, she's my best friend. Let me tell you something.

If I hear an adult woman talk about their best friends, it's like a red flag to me. Well, it's weird. It was kind, like, it's so boring that I, when I watched it for the third time, I, you know, time because I was like falling asleep. I realized, okay, Heather DeBrow says to Jeanette and Emily, who have been best friends for the eight years that they've been on the show. They both came, I believe, the same year or one right after the other. And they became best friends. And they always room together. And finally, it gets revealed. We don't like you guys rooming together because once production shuts down, you guys can freely talk and plan out the next day and talk about,

and we will never know what you said. And we feel like that's unfair because everything that, you know, we are sharing everything and we don't like this. And that is really what it is without saying it. It was pretty obvious what they were saying. And yeah, Tamara's like, yeah, I don't like it. Like, we don't like you guys spending time alone like that out,

like eight hours alone. Like talking. And then also Emily goes, I'll tell you, Gina, Now, I've been your best friend for eight years. Oh, my God, again. Make it stop. And you've told me a lot of things in confidants.

What do you say? Confidence. Confidence. You told me a lot of things in confidence. And I have never, ever revealed any of those things. And I'm thinking, hi, you just got one of you fired. You just got one of you fired. Because now we realize, or both of you.

You got alliance. You know who doesn't keep a secret? Tamara. Okay? Tamara's been revealing that Vicky fuck somebody in Cabo. Like she doesn't keep a secret. It makes for a good human, makes for a worse reality show person. Right.

And we don't want to know that you guys are keeping secrets that Gina almost left her boyfriend or fiancé. Or that Emily revealed that she and Shane have actually never had sex. Who knows what... Whatever it is. If you were Tamara, then we would know about this and we would have a better season. So now one or both of you are going to have to go if this show comes back next season. I think that was the coffin. Do you think it's coming back?

The nail in the coffin. I don't know, but that was the nail and coffin because it's like, that's why this is boring. Because you guys are such good friends, because you guys actually have each other's back and you're planning, you know. Which Heather's trying to say, why do you keep these two broads here? Yeah, so that they can just have their pleasant thing. Well, we have to stab each other in the back. We have to do the hard work required. Hard labor.

Yeah, we have to have, you know, Vicky say that somehow we took money from Terry's dead brother to build something. Yeah. And then I guess, you know, then he said, I bet you $100,000, Vicky, for you to prove that that's true because it's not. And she's like, whatever it was a rumor. Like she's probably like, look, I was trying to make. something happen at that boring Valentine's Day party. Probably. So I had to accuse you of, you know, taking... If they didn't have, like, how much footage is on the cutting room floor of them just, like,

putzing around? I don't think there's a much. I mean, I just think, like, you know, they go to the restaurant and, like... And then, oh, and then Carmela, the new girl, you know, is like, you know, it's so awkward where she's like, hey, boyfriend of four years, you're going to come over. Right. we're going to eat pizza and cupcakes so I look like a real girl and then we're going to bring off the fact that he cheated on me four years ago I know and he's like okay and she's like my kids just need to feel safe and secure like I created a home where it's safe a home you've left them in San Diego so that you could be on this show thank you And the one scene you filmed with them, you revealed that neither of them even go to school. Thank you.

So how are they going to get into college? Even if you get singer out of prison to help you get them to school, we now know that they don't attend. Okay? There's a truancy lobbying broken. I really need the good people who watch this network to understand she does not live in the county. She doesn't live in. She rented a house. Her children don't go to school in the county.

So what kind of homes? So you're saying because the boyfriend, who's not their dad, cheated on you four years ago, that somehow he's upsetting the security of the children. Yet, you go on a reality show. Real that the kids don't go to school and also say, stay in San Diego, while I rent a place for $35,000 to pretend like I have to do my real estate business in a whole other city. When San Diego has plenty of houses to sell there. It makes no sense.

I wish they would just go, you know what, I keep. She also works for Oppenheim, so I think that's, this is my theory. They do have offices in both. So, I mean, I get it. You want to be on the show. The Red Tills down the street from the Oppenheim office. I think that those twins were like, let's try to get some people on Bravo, too, so we can just like grow the real estate practices.

Maybe. Yeah, there could have been, like, definitely there's a synergy going on. She doesn't make sense for selling the OC. So they're like, oh, she was on Playboy. Maybe she could be on Real House. of Orange County and then people can remember our real estate practice that we have in Orange County. Was she?

Yeah, she did like some wrestling. She did some wrestling show. Listen, I get it. You know, if you're, you know, if someone's doing real estate and they're not on a TV show, are they really doing real estate? Like we have to be a TV realtor to actually. So I think like, I don't blame her for doing this.

I could see going, hey, there's this opportunity. it's only going to be about four months of filming. I'm going to rent this place for six months down there. I'm going to be bought back and forth. I don't think she's right. I think it's an open-a-house. Whatever it is. Whatever it is.

And then they're all mad because she says to them, I'm going to have Jen like help me. She's not a developer. She's just going to be her assistant. They're just going to go to, you know, restoration hardware and pick out some lamps for staging. Leave it the fuck alone. Like, who cares?

And also, she's smart. It gives her a chance to film with a regular cast member. Like, I would infiltrate myself too. I'd buy the Dior bag. I would get Dumb Dumb Jen to help pick out some throw pillows. It doesn't have to keep her in her business forever.

And she's not going to ask her for, like, she's like, that means she's asking her for capital. No, she's not. She just said, I'll show you how I do it. Like, it was just like, oh. Do you think Chen's like, oh, God, now I have to go with her. to restoration hardware.

I just want to sit at home in a bikini and hang out with Ryan who doesn't seem to have a job. No, I think she wants to go to restoration hardware. So you think so? Yeah. I think that makes her feel good. I don't think she wants to work. Anyway. She's like screw that.

Okay, tell me what you think of the shards. The shards. They're high school seniors at Buckley. Because the author went to school there. I thought it was Harvard Westlake. Buckley. Same thing. They are hypersexual.

They talk very strange. Rich people in the 80s kind of talk like this, which is hysterical. They're all way too old. They're all in their 20s. But then again, I thought a lot of 80s movies did have like 30 and 40-year-olds. I talked about this with a shock. And I'm telling you, people in that time did act and behave a lot older. They really did.

No one is worried about the SATs. There's no homework. The SATs just started to be a thing. I'm telling you. It's crazy. It just started to be a thing. And like Princeton Review began like mid-80s where you could like take classes to do better. Okay.

Daddy's father played by Wes. What's his name, Wes Bentley or something? Is he supposed to look like Andy Warhol? Like why does he look like? so weird. The blonde-haired guy? Yeah. I don't know. I just think... He's so creepy looking. I just think, yeah, I just... Okay, also... I'm like an episode behind right now. Important to know for pop culture history. Yeah. Which a lot of people obviously now know. Kaya Gerber's mother was married to Homer. Yes. Geer's father. They were married.

And she, 20 minutes after they have their first meeting, they never knew each other before. He says to her, oh, by the way, my dad was married to your mom. And her response was, oh, cool. Let me tell you something. When I was a kid, my mom would go run errands. My favorite thing to do was to go into her closet and look through her files. It's the way I knew she had an extra marriage that she had an old. I wanted to know all the information.

That's the reaction when you're around someone who is the child of someone that your mom was married to. You wouldn't want to, yuck it up? But do you think that's a truthful story? Well, that's what they say. But she does seem sort of like not impressed. with anybody. Yeah, maybe. Okay, cool. I'm like, you don't want to go, oh my God, what a riot. Our parents were married. Look at us now. Now, okay, another thing, everyone's like, oh, he's a dead ringer for his father. No, he's not. He looks just like his mom. The other thing is you don't

know that growing up in that house that might have been a point of contention, like for Gerber, like where, you know, like, or maybe a funny thing or maybe she, you know, didn't like that, you know, like how sometimes people don't want. want to know that like their parents ever like married married someone else or was with someone else okay like why did they get divorced so she was 22 and they got married it's got a hamster came in between them right he was 37 and she said she had she was held she was 22 and he was 37 and she was just beginning her modeling career but he's already an actor big time too wait were they married before pretty woman or after you don't know i think it was probably after yeah and she said she just started to just

take on his personality. She's like, I guess I'm a Buddhist because Richard is Buddhist. Oh, yeah. And then she felt like, who am I? Because then her career is exploding. And then they were never together because she's traveling for modeling. He's acting. She got married to him at 22?

22. So they were married for five years. And then it was like, I don't know they were together that long. I guess we should split. Like, we have nothing in common. But then I was like, imagine you get married to this hot guy. And then he's like, I have to go and meet with the monk. I've got to go to Tibet.

Do you want to like tag along? Now I kind of want to do a deep dive on the timeline of pretty woman, the hamster. And you're like, Heather, what's the hamster? For the three people that don't know what the hamster is, I remember where I was. You do. When I heard the call, I was talking to my girlfriend, whose dad was a prominent doctor in Pasadena. Okay. She is the one who told me.

and she is not a gossip girl at all, okay? And she said that the dad, it literally came from the dad, that it was somebody in an ER that said this, and it got to her, got to me, and it started to spread everywhere. I was not the one that spread it, that Richard Gere came to the hospital, and there was a hamster stuck up his butthole,

and that that was some weird sexual thing where someone would want a live hamster to kind of like a hamster wheel but in your butthole. I don't believe this. There was a rumor about Jerry Pentecoly. Same thing. He was like a new,

like a television anchor. Oh. And like I think it's some weirdo who came up with this stupid joke. No, this is what, now this is the Netflix doc I want to see. Okay. Because this was a rumor that went rampant

before social media or anything else and it was, you know, Like, I remember another rumor. But by the way, are we going to green like this? I'll executive produce it. Yes. We'll call it rumors. And each episode is a horrible rumor that we're going to get to the bottom of.

Let's go. Hamstergate is episode one. Hamstergate is, so it starts out with a call. Hello? Oh, hi. You know, it's me. I'm 19. Whatever, I think I was about 19.

I want to say it was like right around college time. So we have to look at the timeline. And then this starts going around and it's like, oh my God, I can't believe he's gay. He was married to, you know, Cindy Crawford. And then he goes on a talk show and goes, yeah. There's crazy rumors that I had sex with the chicken. Instead of saying a hamster, he said a chicken, which I'm like, why don't you just say there's a weird rumor about a hamster that never fucking happened, okay? But it was like he kind of danced around it and was like, it's just ridiculous.

Then, years later, I heard from a gay guy. We started talking about this and he said, what he discovered was there were two gay guys having dinner and Cindy Crawford and Richard Gere were there and they wanted an autograph, they wanted something and they felt that they were rude or he was really, he was rude or whatever and it pissed him off and they started the rumor and it went crazy and it was always like no I know the ER nurse or in my case no my dad heard from somebody it was like everyone like everyone that like had the info had like a little bit of like well it must be true and then he goes on and marries somebody else and you know all this other stuff is I believe he has like some

you know, 35-year-old wife now and continue to do movies and get work. But there was always this thing. I remember also my brother telling me, like listening to a Rod Stewart song, and I was young. You know, I knew about so many things young that I should not have known about. And he was like, oh, yeah, Rod Stewart was brought into the hospital. And he had so much sperm in his stomach from me. sucking so much dick. What?

That they had to like pump his stuff. That is the, that is such an older brother, dumb rumor made up. That makes no sense. Not at all. Or whatever. And how are you? He told she this.

Yeah, so he told me this. So then I had to hear Rod Stewart and see that he's on his seventh wife. And I was like, oh, I mean, that, I guess that isn't true, you know? Like, I mean, there's more disturbing things that Rod Stewart, like, wrote a song about, like, tonight. the night. Spread your wings and let me come inside my virgin child. And like, those are the lyrics that we should be concerned about.

Not even if this was true, but I was just like, I remember imagining like a guy in the hospital with his spiky blonde hair and then like pumping his stuff. Oh, my God. By the way, how old were you when he tells you this? Nine. This is the problem with older brothers. Just such idiots. They say, this is something like a little sister.

This is 80s life in the valley. I don't know. So, by the way, you can't have it all. You can't have it all. You can be a singer. You can be a movie star. And then you've got to fight these rumors. Can't have it all?

I do feel like social media and things run further. But I also feel like things, if they are crazy rumor, if it isn't true, there is that same kind of investigative work that can be then debunking it a little bit. If it was about you change. or being gay or whatever the case, you know. By the way, we need to find those two guys that were sat next to them at dinner. Yeah. That's the end of the episode.

And also, I want to know, has any person taken a hamster? No. I mean, the whole story. Stupid. But I mean, like those little feet. Like, and I do know, like, there's a million ER stories about how, you know, a firefighter had to come

calm and a girl stuck something up there and got stuck or a man sat on something and like oh I just and then they go I slept I slipped and fell on this doorknob and you're like how did you slip and fall on a doorknob in your butt like so yeah by the beginning of the episode my Drake is probably freaking out because this is like a very dirty episode for the but um okay okay episode two guys walk in and they sit down like okay we're going to do this is that the beginning, the two gay guys that were sitting next to them. Yes. I mean, I just wanted, like, and then if they just said it to one person and then, and do they have any guilt? That's what I need to know. Do they have any guilt? That's what you need to know. I need to know.

I need to know that. I need to know, all of these people. All of these people. That were given to other people that he was going to get that were maybe Oscar orzy. That were just too close around the rumor. Yeah. By the good question. Was he in any animal movies? Because, you know, big movie stars will do like one of those movies to just get a big paycheck and were they like, listen. No, he always, we can't do this, Richard. I mean, after the hamster rumor, he did one of my favorite movies, Unfaithful. Great movie.

Great movie. I loved that movie and I thought he was a great actor. And at that point, I already knew about the two gays at the restaurant. And so I was like, this never happened. Got it. Okay. I 100% know it never happened, okay? But it really is awful that for so, for.

for what they for that you would think that and like yeah and then it's always that thought like where you were maybe as PR person at the time was like this is just a rumor it's not even being written anywhere so you should just ignore it and so he chose to ignore it or make a joke about it and the sex with the chicken line which I was like no I would have just been like yeah no this never happened you know when when the rumor when it was said that I sold stories about Chelsea handler for money or exchange for publicity for myself. I've said over and over, it's never happened. There's no proof to it. There's no article. There's no tracing back to it. There's no person that ever could say that it was

true at Us Weekly or anywhere else. But still, it'll be like a comment under a photo of mine and it'll pop up all the time. And I'm like, whatever. At least it's not that I had a hamster out my butt. True. So, I mean, I can't complain. You can't complain. And I'm not. Okay. So the, the They had their reunion and it's the second episode. How are you feeling about it? Couple things. One, you need Danny and Nia because a true story about 30, a group of people in their 30s is that there's gonna be one couple in the group

who act like they have a great marriage or they're super happy. And everyone in the group is like, I'm not buying what they're selling. And it's the whole act of unraveling what's really going on by and closed doors. And that's why I find it fascinating and have enjoyed it. Lacey is a total star. I interviewed her, total star. I don't understand why they never had her on Real Houseways of Orange County.

I think she's just too young. No, she's in her 30s? I know, but like, I think she, but the last year. You mean for this group. But yeah, but the last year she's been dating Jessie. So it's like, and now. Reboot and get her on. Maybe.

Yeah. Where does she get her money, Lacey? She got married to someone who had, I think, a lot of money. Money? Yeah. Financial services. So she gets child support and a big cut? She did something before.

I don't know. Okay. Well, she's a little in good life. Okay. Why did everybody go to Jasmine's wedding when she seems to not like several of them? I'm surprised she invited everybody. I just think, you know, this is who she works with, and if you cut out one person, why not? Let this be a lesson to people who are getting married.

You don't invite your coworkers. You're going to look back at those photos and go, why did I ask Sammy from Sales to come? Because Sammy in Sales is going to be like an asshole on the dance floor and make a fool of himself. And then you're stuck with pictures. Well, I got married while I was on a TV show. And you invited me? And I was on Lerisers Lounge. And the only person invited was Trace's Ler.

I remember you told me that, yes. And I did think later on, was that wrong? Should I have invited at least the executive producer? But then I was like, well, that would be rude to like the writers that I share a room with. But I remember thinking, oh, should I? And then, yeah, I'm glad I didn't because after this, we did one more season. And then it wasn't like I was on friends. I was on this like sketch show.

Yeah. And but I do feel like, I feel like it was smart for her. Listen, it's not just a TV show. I mean, social media and everything. Like, you know what? If the show was on and I got Marriage Day and we all had accounts and we were posting every day, then yes, I probably would have invited everybody that was on camera and a couple of the EPs and writers. I probably would have.

Because I would have seen it as a good promotion for the show and it would have looked rude if I didn't. I mean, what's a, you know, what's $300 or $400 a person in the long run of like look, of just looking good and hoping to stay on the show? Now, if they don't ask Jasmine back, she gonna be like what she gonna do god i can't believe i invited all those people and i think it's a possibility she won't be asked back and i'm not saying that i want that or anything i just feel like she's always like trying to get a word in you know and then when she said i'm sick of hearing

about the kids by the way totally agree i totally agree too but i just think it again sort of separates her from the group oh my god and i listen i'm saying this as a mom of five Why are the babies in all the screen scenes? Because they're smart. They're like, I don't want to be away from my baby if you're going to film me. I don't have the baby with the nanny. I don't think it's that. I think they use them as human shields.

Are you going to scream at Nia if she's breastfeeding a baby? You're not. Well, it's weird. And then on top of everything, this, Jack's Taylor posted this. like seven pages of a long thing. The spelling and grammatical errors alone are enough to drive my mother crazy. So he emailed her. He emailed Brittany, his ex-wife and mother, they share, Cruz, and wrote this long, awful email

and then thought, I'm going to screen grab this and put it in a slideshow on my Instagram because obviously people are going to read this email that I wrote to my ex-wife. wife berating her and clearly be on my side. She's insane. And short, I guess, I don't know how long it was up, but this girl Ashley, she caught it. So then I read it. He had already taken it down. So this PR girlfriend must have left him alone while he took a shit for four minutes.

And then, you know, was pounding on the door. Jacks, delete this, not a good idea. Yeah. And when you read it, you're just like, you know what would have been better? You know what she has to deal with, is all I'm saying. This is a tip to TMZ. Next time you run into him, give him a speed round of questions.

What's the name of Cruz's best friend? What's the name of his therapist? What are his favorite foods? What activities does he like to do? How old was he when he hit this milestone? I guarantee you he can't answer any other questions. That's so smart. there you go

well you know it's just like this whole thing you're so full of shit Britney and he's not in kindergarten I'm the one that got him in the therapy but it doesn't matter like what does this do for Cruz

nothing for you to then put this out there he doesn't care their only source their source of income is being famous you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube she is doing her best she's drawing awareness to people who have children on the

spectrum she's showing what she's doing making the most of it getting doing everything she can with him she said I build a whole sensory room for him I don't think he knows what sensory room would be right

I mean so it's just like yeah I'm so glad that he posted this even for a second because it just proves for points. Just proves. Okay, so imagine you're co-parenting with someone. You guys have a special needs child.

He's starting kindergarten. He is able to go to the kindergarten maybe with a shadow or whatever. And now this is all being picked apart and spued in a fighting email with the father. Do you think he's trying to get a new show or something? Because that probably backfired. Yeah, that backfired. Really backfired bad. Do you think the publicist girlfriend is like, do you think he falls asleep and he's snoring in the bed and she's got one eyeball open?

Not yet. There's like a light in the corner. Not not yet. And she's just like, what have I done? She's blinded. Listen, there are women that marry murderers behind bars who then cheat on them with other women that come to visit them and they stick by them because they believe in the covenant of marriage. Women are stupid sometimes when it comes. to falling in love with men.

Yeah. They can't, they, they don't believe that there is another penis out there that will fit. And they are just like, this is it. Maybe, maybe she's like, I'm going to be the one to fix Jacks. It's not even that. It's just, they just fall for this guy and they just don't want to not. Even Brittany said, you know, I'd get mad at him, we'd fight, and then I just needed to be around him. So he does have that with certain type of women.

He does have a charm, something. He's never had trouble getting a girlfriend. He's never had trouble getting laid. He still doesn't. And in the process can make a certain type of woman, like do everything for him. Look what she did all those years. Yeah.

I mean, how many times? I mean, it was not only did she see it and prove it, then it was on repeat of him cheating and not being great and she still chose to marry him she still told herself things are better now he's totally changed

we'll get married it's a mystery what about him in the first place she even saw they had a they had a they had a little spin off where they like spent the summer in Kentucky or something before a wedding and there were so many moments that were like I didn't watch the whole thing but when I see clips

that he was like awful Like a million red flags where the parents that everybody was like, mm-hmm. But then it's part of the show. Just like anyone who gets married, you're like, well, we already did the deposit and everyone's expecting it. Yeah. Now imagine pulling out when it's also your income, all of your friends, the fun of getting married, telling yourself that like this isn't going to get better and the way she is wanting to believe it and being so in love with him.

And like, she was working out, like, she was working at Cluters before she met him. So it's like this is a pretty... I saw a clip where she said. I really believed in him and I always try to believe in people. And it's a quality about myself that I'm really proud of and I don't want that to change. Yeah. But I'm like, she needs to hang out with me a couple times. I've watched so many true crime documentaries and cult docs.

I mean, I think she's getting there. And some of it is just maturity, you know, like some of it for some people, you know but then she picked that other guy and then admitted to giving him $10,000 $10,000. Maybe there's no hope. I don't know. It was like three different baby mamas and four kids

and not cute. I can't keep up with it. Yeah. Maybe I need to worry about other things. World hunger. Danny, this is Danny and Desperate housewives. Look how cute he was. Okay, some news. Ariana Maddox

from Banner Pump Rules and Love Island and Chicago is heading back to Broadway in a play called Just in Time. She'll be there from September to November. So she legit is working. And then Whitney from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is, I think, going back to Chicago. I don't understand this red curly 80s hair, but I think it's pretty. She looks pretty.

South is kind of weird. But I don't know. So she's working. She's a reality star who's working. Then Lisa Barlow is doing a follow-up hit song to Baby Gorgeous. It's called Echoes of You. And I really love it. And I'm just blown away by everybody that just loves my music.

You're so baby gorgeous. You're just. And Meredith's a DJ. Baby gorgeous. What? Meredith's a DJ. Meredith is a DJ and sells caviar. Wait, did you see Cynthia and Bailey's?

Yep. Right here. Cynthia has the peach. life. I got to tell you. And it's a good hit. That's a good one. And listen, I am going to ask any music producer that would like to get together with me. I can just, you know, we can help with lyrics. We can just whatever. I can sing. And you don't even really have to do auto tune on my voice. And I would like a bop. Like, I want a bop like that. I think it's a great idea. Yeah, and so let's get together.

If you do a music video, I would love to be involved. I'll just play The Triangle. Okay, absolutely. Okay, good. Yeah, I mean, let's do it all. So come to me. But yeah, they played it at the reunion of Real House of Atlanta. But you know what I love about that clip?

They were all excited for her. They were excited. I love that. They actually thought it was good. It was really sweet. And, oh, and her ex-husband, what a piece of shit. I know. He was on, was he on King?

Carlos King? Yeah, he was Carlos King. And the new girlfriend, right? And the new girlfriend was subjected to having to sit on his lap. I don't like it. Very weird. I don't like it. And then he did another interview where he was angry,

talking about some piece of property he had that he asked Cynthia to buy for him while he went to prison. And then that way when he came back, he could buy her out. And it was so confusing. And again, like a Jacks, he thinks by telling this, first of all, nobody is going to listen to this that doesn't watch Housewives. And anyone who watch Housewives knows that you're a piece of shit. They're not going to suddenly be like, yeah, you know what? Like, you, again, got into some snafu, whatever it was, shady shit with a restaurant and taxes and money. And you, you know, had to go away.

like it's just like not a big deal and no no to you Papa Smurf remember she used to remember the the father of Noel still one of the hottest guys ever from the Madonna video he played Black Jesus Leon so cute so cute yeah now what's going on I thought what is going on with the LA Next Gen I thought she was supposed to be on it Cynthia's daughter and then I her name but I thought the Debrose son was supposed to be on it. One of the Umansky girls. Yeah. I don't remember who else.

What happened to the show? I think it's coming out. Oh, they filmed it and it really all happened? Yeah, I think it went to focus groups and then I think it'll come out soon. Brooke Nader went on a European trip. She is a model that you just like hear those names and you're like, I think, I I don't really know why she's famous. I don't know what it is.

But then she had like a TV show with her sisters. It's a reality show. It's coming out. And she made sure the paparasi took photos of her topless in Europe, which you can do in Europe. And she is on a private yacht. But then they got a photo of her dad. What? Yeah.

No. That is her dad. No, please stop. That is her dad. Wait, stop. Wait, what? Wait. That's her dad looking at her naked boobs on like a little tin.

boat. Wait, are we sure? Yes. Yes. Huh? Huh? This is what I think happened. Oh my God. I think this was all planned. They had the photos taken. They're probably currently filming the show. And this will be a whole thing. A whole story. So please use it. Please use us being shocked on the Brook Nader show. Oh my God. Listen, topless on a boat. You can do. Topless on a beach you can do.

I get it. It's Europe. Some people don't care about a nipple. I've been in that situation and my friend was like, are you mad? And I'm not mad. Oh, taking a top off? But inside, I am uncomfortable. And I'm not mad at you.

You've ever right to do it. It's your boat. You have a good body. This is what you want to do. It's your. vacation. But I can't, it's not your fault that I feel uncomfortable,

but I do feel, I am, I don't like it. I'm uncomfortable with just tits out. Boves out, naked boobs, like with other people around. Like it's one thing if we're just like trying on clothes and my friend takes off her, like we're trying clothes. But like other people around like having a drink, it is a little hard. It just wasn't uncomfortable for me.

I didn't love it. I didn't love the day. Yeah. Well, it's different. It's a totally different culture. I know, but I can admit that it's like made me uncomfortable. And if that makes me like a prude or whatever, that's fine. I'm not saying she shouldn't do it.

Yeah. And I just remember my dad used to be like, like when parents would be like, oh, please, like I wiped her ass. You're like, that doesn't help. that doesn't help that I'm feeling weird now that I've gone through puberty and you're my parent. I think a lot of this is the family that you grew up in because we probably grew up extremely similar. My mom is like an, you know, an Irish Catholic born into a family of Irish Catholics. I saw her boobs one time as a child and it was the scariest thing I'd ever seen in my life. Pre-reduction surgery, it really affected me.

doors locked when you take a shower I did not grow up around that although I have friends that are very like open and free and I think they were just raised in homes where like that was just more I just realized what a complete and total hypocrite I am okay because I'm like saying

how can you just like have your tits out and your dad whatever so when I gave birth the dad thinks a little bit much okay when I gave birth to Drake I was like yeah mom and dad can come in the room no I've had 10 people

in the room. But they were not, they were watching like the crotch. I had 10 girlfriends watch a baby come out. Okay, but do you think it's weird that I let my dad? I just felt like it was very medical and I was kind of like, well, he's never seen this before. Like he wasn't in the room for my mom. He wasn't in the room for my sister. And I was like, yeah. The next time, I don't think anybody wanted to come quite honestly. Nobody was like, yeah, let me get up. They're like, We're good. We're good. But I,

I mean, I look back and I think that's weird. And then also, we filmed it from the crotch. That part is weird. And I did also share. And that Peter showed it is weird. And I was like,

don't you guys want to see it to people? I think that's very weird. I would say I'm fucking weird. I think it's weird that he's joyful in the picture. There could have, something else could have happened. We don't know. I don't know.

A fish could have hot. out of the water and and he could have been laughing about the fish and he could have have nothing to do with her booze. Yeah. Wowza. What's happening here? Yeah. Yeah.

So. There you go. Ryan Locky, who was like the cute. Ryan Locky seems like the, he was the cutest. Not a smartest person. Olympic swimmer we've ever had. Yes. And his cute dumbness made him like a reality star and stuff.

And then remember there was that whole thing where he like got in trouble during one of the Olympics? Yes. What was that story? I don't remember, but he's just annoying. He like stole something or he's weird. He did some weird thing.

Anyway, he just kept, he keeps showing up and he's always like, okay, I'm going to tell you the real me now. Everyone's like, no one cares. Anyway, he got this wife and then she went on people and did an interview kind of like Brittany. They're just doing a series of like,

tell us about your fucking horrible acts. And so then she sits down and she tells the story of how she found out that like her best friend was seeing her husband. I mean, ladies. And she then called her best friend and she goes. And the friend was like exactly like kind of Rachel Raquel with, um, with Adriana like, how are things going with you guys? I'm always here for you. I'm sorry you're going through trouble. And the whole time she's seeing Ryan Lockie.

So then Ryan Locky's wife calls the best friend and the girl's like, hey girl. And she says, you desperate piece of shit. And she goes, what? And she goes, if you don't know what I'm talking about, then you really are dumber. I hope she said, then you really are dumber than Ryan Locky. But I think she said, then you really are dumber than even I think you are. Yeah. And she's like, well, anyway, they're together now.

Great. Live it up, girl. This girl, Daisy Di La Jolla. Wow, she was a top reality star in the VH1 days. She was one of the contestants with Brett Michaels Rock of Love. She went on to have her own show, Daisy in Love, which was like all these, they were all like mini, like a knockoff of The Bachelor, where they'd go on separate dates and do group things.

And the people would start to hate each other that liked her. I think I wrote back and forth to her because I covered that show and I feel like she's really nice. Well, she said she's been struggling to find work. She still looks pretty. Yeah. And she said, I've applied to McDonald's twice to work at McDonald's. And, you know, whatever, nothing wrong with working at McDonald's. You don't have any other skills.

Yeah, it's hard. So I don't know. Maybe she knew this would be a headline and this will approach her people to say like, hey, come on my podcast. I don't know. I don't really care. catch up with her. Do you? Well, not now, but back

in the day, I did this interview with the creator of Rock of Love, and the thing that made me laugh so hard was, he said they had to teach him how to date, because he always had groupies. Brett Michaels. So they were like, you have to ask them, what's your name? Where are you from? Do you know that whole time he had

like a wife or a girlfriend? I'm sure. Who was like, fine. Like, no, the whole time he had a partner, like he together with the woman. Well, not only that he didn't know how to talk to people because he had a groupie come to the door all the time. He was like, oh, like, what's your name?

Like, he didn't know how to do any of that. Right, why you don't have to try. I don't have to pursue anyone. No. Yeah, you never have to pursue anyone. That's so interesting. It's, yeah. Anyway, it is crazy when you think of those, like, shows

that were such a big hit. There weren't that many. They were so famous. They were in the tabloids all the time. Do you remember when Vern Troyer peed on Surreal Life? Yes. And he rolled off the bed like a baby that you would have to like send to the hospital for head trauma. And everybody got along so great on those shows and they became great friends.

Flavor, Flavin, Brigitte Nielsen. But those shows, like the thing is because social media wasn't there, there wasn't like this other opportunity of like getting Brandeels, becoming an influencer, making appearances, doing music, being a DJ, selling, caviar Vicky's vodka Vicky's

diamond none of that was really there and so then they'd get on the next show

and then that's kind of it yeah and yeah but it was like just

such a famous such a famous thing and it was like and I'm sure they're gonna and they got people

get paid nothing to this day the people on the bachelor and bachelorette do not get paid

for anything I'm like Like how do you cover your rent? Like if you're going to go be on The Bachelor and you're like, so you have to leave whatever job you have. And then you're like, okay, maybe I'll be back in a week. Maybe I'll be back in six weeks. Okay. Well, where's the rent for this place?

They don't even give them like a stipend. I would think that every single contestant, like, no, whether you stay one week or not, or I always think any reality show, you should be paid the longer you stay. because that's the motivation, whether it's special forces, dancing with the stars or even a bachelor, where you're like, because you might get there and go, I don't like this guy and his weird chomper's and I'm not into him at all, okay? I want to go back to my beautiful home. Like, I'm going to say absolutely not. Or I'm going to say I'm not going to accept this rose, right? Right.

But if you know that every week you stay, you're going to bank 5K, you're like, yeah, let me see if I can make this work. Like for such little money, I think they would have such a better show. I wonder what the, do you know you've interviewed so many of these people? Do you understand the philosophy about not paying these people? Well, I just think they don't actually have these big budgets that you think they do. I mean, you see the show on when it airs and they're going on helicopter rides and all of this. All of that stuff is given to them for free for promotion. They're just, they don't have the budgets.

Yeah. 25 contestants. Yeah. You know, and by the way, they're unknowns. They're plucked from obscurity, so. Right. Then you say, oh, well, you don't really have any previous TV experience. So we're going to pay you in four waffles.

And then, you know, you should be grateful because look at the big stars that have come out of this show. And it is what it is. What your show, Reality Life with Kate Casey, you cover all these fun things, but you also cover like very interesting documentaries you interview the producers the stars of a what are some hot things you have coming on your show okay forensic psychiatrist who specializes in maternal philicide cases talking about the lindsay can't clancy trial and specifically what is postpartum psychosis because i see a lot of chatter online well she texts him pick up the hot chocolate so that just shows you she doesn't have postpartum psychosis most people don't even understand it so that's a

one. I've got some great docs. Here are two ones that I think that you may be interested in. One is called abandoned. It's on Hulu. Three children are dropped off at a train station in France, or excuse me, in Barcelona, but they only speak French. And they said, my father's friend, Deni, told us he was going to get candy and he never came back. They're just left there at the train station. And so they take them into like child services eventually a couple adopts them who had happened to have three miscarriages so they adopt these three kids and where we pick up in the documentary is the daughter of the three has her own child and she's like I have to find out what happened to my parents so it's her exploration of like why do we get dropped off who are our parents very good the other one it's on

Netflix it's called the accidental twins so a woman's working in an office in Columbia and she goes into the country over the weekend and she's like that guy looks just like my co-worker so she's waving to him instead of butcher she's waving to him and he's just sort of like hey weirdo and then the next week she goes back or she goes back to her office that that next week and said I saw you at the butcher and the guy's like what are you talking about I didn't work there she said this man looks exactly like you it's so crazy so she goes back and she approaches them and says I have a co-worker that looks exactly like you She finds out his name.

She goes back to the office and says, this is his name. You have to see him on social media. It looks just like you. So her coworker, who is a twin, looks at this man's Facebook and starts looking through the album. And he's also a twin. And that twin looks exactly like his twin. So wait, what the fuck is it? They were switched at the hospital.

So you know they switched at birth stories? So wait. You have a set of twins. So wait, they were identical twins, but then they went home with another baby that wasn't really their twin. Yes. And when you look at the picture, you're sort of like, oh. And so then they went home and they're like, oh, our babies are. They were born a day apart, and the first set of twins had a child that was sick.

They were born in the country, so they'd go into the city. And it was at the city hospital. The next day, the other twins were born. Something happened in the hospital. And one of the twin in each family got switched by accident. So imagine finding out you have a twin. So the guy thought it was the twin he grew up with wasn't even his brother. No, he thought he was like a fraternal brother.

Right. But in reality, they weren't even related. No. Wow. In reality, he has a twin brother that is an identical twin that grew up somewhere else. So he grew up thinking he was a fraternal twin. Right. He was actually an identical twin.

That is amazing. I definitely want to see that one. And where can they follow you? Okay, so you have to go to katekasey.substack.com where you get the weekly list of what to watch. And then you can find me on socials, Instagram, at KKC, CA, TikTok, it's KKC, reality life with KKC Facebook group. But really go to that what to watch list and you'll get a whole list. I love it because you always know what to see. Thank you, everybody.

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