Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Hollywood Murders and Real Housewives Casting with Kempire

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

The son of a powerful Hollywood agent has been arrested for murder. Taylor Swift made out with Travis Kelce offstage. The Blind Side and Robert DeNiro court cases have new developments. The saga of Carl and Lindsay’s filmed breakup may have an explanation. Then, housewives expert Kempire is here! He shares about being verbally attacked at BravoCon, as well as his inside scoop on RH casting choices – some of which surprised him. And of course, we cover everything there is to cover regarding RHOBH, RHOA, RHSLC, RHONJ and RHOP. Enjoy! Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon: https://patreon.com/juicyscoop Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Follow Kempire https://thekempire.com To listen to the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPodYouTube Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be amazing! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod Treat yourself to the best bras on the market and save 20% at https://honeylove.com/juicy Go to https://theouai.com and enter promo code JUICY for 15% off! Request a Cologuard prescription today at https://cologuard.com/juicyscoop Use code HOLIDAY10 for 10% off your first purchase at https://etsy.com Sign up for your trial today at https://noom.com Go to https://storyworth.com/juicy and save 10 dollars on your first purchase Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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on everything pop culture and housewives. He's got inside scoop. But first, let's get into some of the craziest hottest topics that are happening right now in our world. Well, I mean, I could not stop watching this clip of Taylor Swift after she finishes her show running to Travis and making out with him. I don't know why it gave me chills. I've watched it over and over again. And he was, you know, at the

show with her, you know, huge stadium like she does in Europe. I think I believe it was Argentina. And first she changed the words. I guess this is the first time she changed the words to the karma. Karma is your boyfriend who plays on the chiefs, something like that. So the crowd already went insane for that. And then she ran and they hardcore made out and anybody that's doubting that this isn't real, I just, I am not for you.

I think she looks happy and I think she looks beautiful and I think she's glowing. Okay, now here's some crazy sad juicy crime news. That's happening minutes from my home. This is so weird and disturbing. So there is a Hollywood agent. He's huge. He used to head up William Morris. He used to package some of your favorite television television shows. Then he became the president of Magnolia films. His wife was Miss Mississippi. She was on days of our lives and they had this beautiful family and they have, I think two or three kids, one of their child's name is Samuel Haskell, Jr. So he is the oldest son of this big Hollywood

agent. And he was living in his home in Tarzanah, which is the next town over from you in a very nice $2.5 million home with his wife of many years because they have a 12-year-old and in eight and a six-year-old, all-boys, sons. And at the house, her parents lived. And she was a believe of Chinese immigrant. And her name was May. And everyone that they spoke to in the neighborhood said she was a super dedicated mother,

totally, you know, through great parties, they showed a photo of their backyard. You could see a slide going in a play yard and a big pool and people that were at the school, it's just that she was wonderful. Well, she went missing and so are her parents. And this is where the story gets very gruesome and we don't believe the result will be anything

but a triple murder. So this man, Samuel Haskell Jr., he called some laborers to come and pick up these bags of which he said were rocks. He's like, come to my house, pick up these rocks. The two guys come and they pick up these bags and as they turn were rocks. He's like, come to my house, pick up these rocks. The two guys come and they pick up these bags. And as they turn the corner after they took them, they took $500. They're supposed to take the rocks and dispose of them. And they both looked at each other and was like, that did not feel like rocks. That felt like

sloppy, not rocks. They go and they look and they see what appears to be a torso to belly button. They immediately go back to the guy and they're like, hi, we're not doing this job. Here's your $500 back and they get the hell out of there. Good for them, they called the police and they reported it. They said, this is where the bags were left. On the driveway where we gave the money back, this is the house. The police go there and now the bags are gone. So now they start investigating

what is going on with this person, Samuel Haskill Jr. Where is this woman? Where are her parents? And like the next day, a homeless man in Encino, which is the next town over from Tarzanac, goes Woodland Hills, Tarzanac,

Tarzanac in Encino as you're the next town over from Tarzanah, goes Woodland Hills, Tarzanah, Tarzanah, in Encino as you're going to the East Valley. And in a dumpster, he found a human body part. Okay. So they go, they get that, and then they go to the house, and they go into the house, and they see that there's definitely appears to be a crime that was committed there.

There's blood, there is evidence of that. They arrested Samuel Haskell Jr. at the Topanga Mall, which I always talk about. So I assume they arrested him and then they went and investigated the home, which is now a crime scene. He has been arrested. The three kids were found safe. They were at their school and they are with family members. The two Hollywood parents, especially the dad being, you know, he'd done all the stuff

with Dolly Parton. I mean, he was, he was, he deemed himself the nicest guy in Hollywood, not to say that he's not. This is his 35 year old son and she was 37. Something like that. They were in their mid to late 30s and bending together obviously a really long time. But they're not saying anything. So I was like up in the middle of the night being like, what where did this guy go to school, which I don't know, I could not find that. What does he do? I could not find that. What does he do?

And they, I think was Daily Mail, had collected some of his TikToks and social media. And it appears that he was real better. He was saying things like, you know, the best thing about LinkedIn is that they streamline it so you get rejected even that much more. And you know, he clearly couldn't find jobs. He done some photography for like Tiger. He'd done a couple like weird small films. Definitely doesn't seem like it was popping. And then the compilation of his social media told me he didn't seem very funny. He didn't

seem like a great writer. I mean just looking at this it seems like he was probably a guy. He was good looking and he had his nice family had all the opportunity in the world to make it in Hollywood, and he was not. And he was getting closer to middle age, and he obviously had some psychological problems. If in fact this crime is what it is, which I do believe it is, but what to go to this lengths and where the kids see it all, or did he do it while they're at school? Like, what was the timeframe of this? All of that we don't know. The neighbor said that she was so sweet and she'd throw these great parties

but he always seemed weird and off. She didn't know what his deal was. Like, he'd come to the party, the family kid party for like 20 minutes and then go into his room. They didn't know if he was sick. They didn't know what was up, but it's just like, I don't know, it's just very weird because it's like the child of a Hollywood big wig

that had a beautiful family and everything going for him. What was this? He did have a slight criminal past prior to this. There was something with violence and he got probation. So that tells you that. He probably had a great lawyer, got him off, but it was probably always something going on with him. And I'm sure people are doing deep drives and will know more very, very sad and disturbing, but, you know, a juicy crime.

And here's a photo of him. They got, they got their surveillance of him taking the stuff out of his own car. So I believe once the, the workers brought back the bags with the body parts, he then took the bags. And the fact that maybe they only found one, maybe the other body parts are other places or maybe the parents with their car, which is also missing, isn't a whole nether location. And this was just the wife very, very sad. But amazing that they got all this unsurveyed lens. And they got their surveillance from a neighbor's house of seeing the day workers come and then return with the back.

So good for them. A little follow up on some other cases that I've talked about. The blind side story of Tui. We talked about this. This was the real story of the blind side with the Tui family and Michael Orr and this lawsuit. And there was some confusion about what we saw in the movie and what really happened and what Michael Orr is saying. So this is what his case against his adoptive parents is saying.

They are saying that they paid him more than 138,000. But there's some other things in which he really felt he was exploited. He said that a friend's father helped him get into the school where he was playing football and basketball. It wasn't the two of you. He was already at that school playing and then maybe she found him or found out about him and then took him in.

Now of course the movie is based on true events but these things are changed. So in the movie we see her being like, you don't have a ride home, where are you walking to, come to my house, but that's okay, that's a movie it wasn't a documentary or anything. But in July of 2004,

Orra was already, Michael Orra was over 18, but he was still a student. And that is when they said, will you come live with us? So that's where the whole adoption thing gets iffy because they said he, he thought he was adopted, but then they were like, well, because you're over 18, we're going to do it in this way where you're not really adopted, but it's a conservative ship in which then he felt he was taken advantage of and then he didn't get the benefits of truly being their child as it is. And in September 2006, they negotiated a contract, the parents, for the movie of the blind side based on the book of Michael story and their other two children.

And that was all done through creative artist agency, that's CAA. And then in another contract in April 2007, that was, that was assigned by Michael or, but he said it was, you know, I don't know, I guess sort of forces what he's saying. But he signed away his likeness voice and the movie studio with any payment whatsoever. Then in 2005, he earned a scholarship to the University of Mississippi. And then he went on to play even in the Super Bowl in 2013 when he joined the Baltimore Ravens. He's made more than 34 million. And so I don't know exactly why he's bringing up this lawsuit. I think it's because he's hurt and he wants to expose this family and tell his side of

the story. I hope he didn't, I hope he's not broke or anything. That part, I don't know because he did make a lot of money as a professional football player. But as I said before, hey, when you sign over your life rights, that's how much you got. So they're saying we all got about 13 38. And that's what he got. And he's saying he felt that it was coerced and it was not what was presented to him or to the world or as we know it. So we'll see what goes on with that case. Now for another case I talked about here on GCCOAP is the Robert De Niro civil case with us former employee. So this woman by the last name of Robinson, she was suing

for $12 million. She worked for him for 11 years. She started out as a personal assistant, then worked for his production company, canal productions, and she brought in this case under gender discrimination and retaliation. She believed it was a gender discrimination and retaliation case. And I'll explain why. So basically, she said she worked with him for all these years. And there were some things that were just not okay. He called her twice when she was at her grandmother's funeral in which she said, I really need this time off. He had an itchy back and he asked her to scratch it with her fingernails, not with the back scratcher. She was helping with things, watching production of a remodeling of his home. And she said, when that happened, during that time, he had his now girlfriend,

who he just had his seventh baby with. And she said that woman felt threatened by their relationship. And she said, I don't want her working there. And they pulled up text messages. I don't want her working for you. I think she's in love with you. And Robinson was like, well, this isn't true. And Danero said, no, she just didn't want her overseeing any interior design projects. She was, that was separate than her working for canal productions. And my now girlfriend, mother and child, wasn't happy with that. So it's all pretty juicy. Meanwhile, all the trial happens.

Robert De Nier is like 35 year old daughter writes her this text, which they also revealed in the trial. And she was like, you're a piece of shit. How dare you go after an eight year old man and try to ruin his life. In the end, they, a jury has decided that she should be awarded $1.2 million. So she did prevail in the case, not $12 million, but she got $1.2 million. And there you go. So that was kind of juicy. That's the end of that story. Audible, let's you enjoy all of your audio entertainment all in one app.

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follow this show, I know I don't cover that much on the GC. This is an interesting story on summer house, which has been on for many seasons, there were two platonic friends named Lindsay and Carl, and they were best friends and they dated other people. And then all of a sudden, they were in love. And they were in love. And now this show, a lot of people, it's all about boozing. They're spending the summer in a house in the Hamptons. And everybody's drinking, Carl at one point becomes sober while they're in love. They get engaged and they have this explosive fight which the cameras catch.

And that was the end of filming. And then about a month later, they were all supposed to come back for filming to film the wedding of Carl and Lindsay. And then all of a sudden, we hear they break up. And so we're hearing different things because they caught it on camera. And how did this happen? And did Carl, in fact, call production and say, hey, heads up, if you want another van or pump rules

situation, I'm going to break up with Lindsay today. You might want to have those cameras up. That's what people thought. Now according to Reality T They are saying no, that's not the case. The source is really close to Carl and what he's saying is something different He's saying that after they shot this explosive fight between he and Lindsay They did have plans to go to therapy and everything and the wedding was not called off. Then like the next day, they get a text group text from production, including Lindsey and Carl, saying, Hey, we would like to film a follow-up because we don't want the audience.

We don't want the season ending on this explosive fight that you guys had. So they're like, okay. And then they sit down and the cameras are filming and that is when We don't want the season ending on this explosive fight that you guys had. So they're like, okay. And then they sit down and the cameras are filming and that is when Carl ends the engagement with Lindsay. And I do believe she was blindsided because she's like, I thought we're going to go to therapy. But then the sources are saying, look, he had decided he was done. He didn't want to deal with her volatile behavior, according to him, allegedly. And maybe he thought this was this golden parachute to get it clean, say what he needs to

say, actually have it filmed. So when they do break up, the fans don't come after him, which they kind of have. But maybe once they see it, they'll have more empathy for their situation because we actually get to see the breakup happening. Other people think, hey, you're on a reality show and everything, but this was a real relationship. Why did you save it for the cameras? You could have whatever called the night before or whatever. I think he did it because in these cases, being that the audience is probably 85% women and he no longer wanted to be engaged

this woman and she is a PR person. He may have felt, you know what, I didn't ask for this because he's like, I don't, I don't demand one production starts or doesn't start. I can't demand. They fill me. I'd never had a secret conversation with them. There's a group text proving it and it just happened to be that this came and I was like, you know what? This is my real life. And I don't want to do this wedding anymore. And I don't want

to get married. And the cameras are here. So why the hell not have these witnesses? That I thought was pretty juicy. Meanwhile, Kim and Kory of Real House, as a Atlanta and Dope Tarty for the party, we have been following them from when he was a ginger to when he died his hair and grew a beard till when she was curvy to when she got on a exempt who the hell knows. But the biggest thing is that they have major financial troubles and they're going to get a divorce and the cops have been called several times and we've been able to watch the body cam situation of the cops of where she's saying he's taking her bags. He's saying she's gambled our life savings away and we have nothing.

The last eye check is absolutely in for closure, it's for closing, it's done. I don't know how long they can stay in it. But then this weekend, she does stories about how they're celebrating their 12 year wedding anniversary and they had a three-course dinner and everything seems to be wonderful. And hey, they have four kids,

six, including the two from her previous relationships. If maybe they feel are like, you know what? Let's get back together. Like I said, I talk about it with Ken Pirelearn, the episode, get those cameras up. That's when you do want to call production. If they're going to make up or not, let's see it. But hopefully they'll have a place to live, whether they're state of worst or not. Real housewives of Miami has begun and it's, it's, it's, Larza is getting dragged because on camera, Gerdy tells her I have cancer and she manages to make it about herself. And then Gerdy clearly says you're the only one I'm telling in the group. Now, granted Gerdy knows it's on camera

because she knows it's gonna be seen eventually. But right now, she's only telling Girdy. I mean, Girdy's only telling Larza. The next scene is Larza telling everybody, well, Girdy came to tell me that I'm making everything about me and then she tells me, yes, she has cancer. How was I supposed to know that?

So she is being dragged. We followed Gurdie's journey since she's been diagnosed. She seems to be doing very, very well. She is bald. She got all the treatments. I think she's out of her treatment right now in remission. I don't know, but she's a really strong woman. Everyone's cheering for her and everyone's hating Larsa. But then there was this article that came out from TMZ. After Brawbakan, all the girls come and land in Miami. And Adriana and Alexia got in this horrific fight because Adriana apparently has revealed on air

that she believes there's trouble in Paradise with Alexia's third husband and Todd and I believe Steve's Todd and they are having financial troubles. So they're screaming at each other and then she's like Julia, who is married to Martina Navatorola. I know I saw your name work, but the tennis player and she's like, Julia, how can you be friends with Alexia? She's only friends with you because you're the weakest one and she is awful.

And the other girl is like, oh my kiki's like, please, like everyone's watching this. So that was like all reported on by eyewitnesses. So Miami's pretty juicy. Lisa who's getting divorced from Lenny, we are corresponding. I really hope to get her on juicy scoop. She says she'd like to come on and explain what is going on with her ex-husband and everything that's going on with him and his mistress. It looks like there might be trouble with he and his mistress romantically. I mean, it is a mess and Miami is really juicy.

Potomac two episodes in. Oh my god, is there a lot going on there? There's this, I'm just explaining it so you don't have to watch it. There's this one girl Ashie Darby. She's divorcing her husband. That husband was accused of grabbing a camera man's crotch. He was accused of having a romance with a man and he was accused and and there was, there was pretty great evidence that he went up to a hotel room with a woman that wasn't his wife. During that time, Candace, I guess, talked about it. And now he is suing Candace.

So that's a big mess there. And then there's this girl Mia, who is an admitted gold digger, who married her old husband, and now he's lost everything from, he and his brothers are in a fight because they own all these chiropractic places called the joint and they've kicked him out and they went from a 10,000 square foot home to a 1500 square foot home.

She's not happy and we're going to see that divorce play out as well. But the biggest juice is oh, then there's Jazeal who had a pastor husband for years who is cheated on her a million times and people still go to his church. Don't understand that. She has three daughters and now she's got this guy who's 16 years younger than her who is also a bravo celebrity and he's on Winterhouse, which is the same as Summerhouse except there's snow. And they're showing a filming them and it is the focus scene in my opinion. I would bet money these two are not boning.

They're claiming they are. They're saying they have a long distance relationship. He lives in New York. She lives in DC. They met when he came to her live show of her podcast. And I mean, the acting of like the flirting of like she's like leaning over just like don't hey Don't look at my butt and he's like oh Girl you sexy thing and he's like I'm gonna make some food. She's like you like to cook for me. Yeah, well, I like him younger. I mean it is

I do not believe this relationship at all, but I have been wrong before. So then Juan Dixand and Robin Dixand, who's their best friend, they were divorced, then they got remarried, then he was in this weird predicament where he, this girl on DM, that DMed him, that he never met said, oh, by the way, I'm at this hotel and I don't have my wallet at ORID. I know we've only talked on DM, but can you come to the hotel and put your credit card down to get me a hotel room?

And he did, because he's just that nice of a guy to do for Instagram fans that he's never met. Totally reasonable. She had to deal with that and dealt with it and kept staying married to him. Now he's been seen twice with this really attractive girl who's a coach at his, he's a coach and she's a coach at a college.

And they were seen doing laundry together at a laundry mat and then they were seeing getting their nails together, getting their nails done together. And everyone's like, Robin, come on girl, like open your eyes and she's like, look, I don't care, okay? I mean, these stories are so bad that if he was gonna lie to me,

he would have come up with a better lie. I mean, he's just a nice guy who wanted to help out somebody with their laundry, with their nails, and with their hotel room. I don't know why everybody's being weird about it. And now the audience watching it is like, you know what, the two of you can go fuck yourself. Like you're just fucking weird,

and this is just what the hell. Like either these people are cheating or they're accepting the cheating, and no one is really speaking the truth, but they've got enough shit going on that they don't really need to make up anything except Giselle and her boyfriend. This message is brought to you by ColoGuard.

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They said she seemed to have come into some money right after that. And she's like, I'll see you Lisa Barlow lost in a bathroom in the Palm Springs airport. They said she seemed to have come into some money right after that. And she's like, I'll see you at the reunion. Also Mary, you know, Mary, Mary, her son, he posted all over his Instagram, him with a ton of pot with guns and with some other like hardcore cough syrup that gets you high with his wife. Now listen, he's over 18, he's married, it's her son, but still again, she was a pastor, she ran a church and she's very judgmental and this is her son and not smart to post us on social media, but it's happening.

All right, you guys. Now I want to share a great interview. I was so excited to have Kempire in person and we're going to get into more GC scoop and GC scoop history and house wife's history and all of it right now. And for any of the merch that you're seeing me wear that you love, please go to heaven to Heather McDonnell.net. I've got sweats, I've got hats, I've got slides, I've got t-shirts. You choose it in your size, you have so many choices, and everybody's loving it. It's all at Heather McDonnell.net, and that's also where you go and sign up for Patreon, just drop to Juicy Crimes as well. So there's the latest one on that with a great episode about the documentary Taking Care of Maya, which there was a result in that crime.

So it's all there, is much content and you're merged as possible and Heather McDonald.net. All right, let's go with Kempire. It's Kempire. A lot of juicy scupers have suggested you. I had already been following you and we had already reached out and lucky for me, you live in New York, but you came here after BravoCon, welcome to Juice East

Scoop Campire, which your real name is just Kim. Just Kim. Okay. A lot of people don't realize that. Your Instagram is the campire. Yes. I love that. All right, let's get into your Bravo experience.

What you loved, what you hated since you were in New York, where you bummed that it was in Vegas, and you just expense wise, and it not being in your backyard or what? A little bit, because going to Vegas is a flight. It's a ticket, it's that. However, it was also a better venue this year. I love the Jacob Javitson, but it's old. It's nice to get out of town.

Yeah. It was a great venue, but Vegas was horrendous. Getting around Vegas was horrendous. I get me out of here. With the F1 stuff and the sphere. Yeah, yeah, it was busy, but for me, I thought, and I said this, I think it's definitely should be their next year.

I think it's more options for people, as far as like staying different places and expenses, and you know, all that kind of stuff. So I think it's more options for people as far as like staying different places and expenses and you know all that kind of stuff. So I think it's good. I'd probably be able to plan it better next year. Yes. Make it what I've experienced this past, huh? I know and you know if people could get together, I mean, maybe they do like an Airbnb or so. I don't know. I mean, there's things that you could do and feel I was saying that to Jack, I was like, what they should do, is they should put like,

one of the cat, if someone is smart, this is what I would do. If one of the new shows that aren't, isn't totally popping, I would be like, we're gonna film BravoCon, like whatever, let's say, I don't know if Savannah's still coming back, but like one of those shows that kinda like wasn't totally happening, but they got, if they come back

and film them at BravoCon, put them in a house close to the strip, see them, talk about it, everything, and film it. Yeah. I think that would be really juicy. Sort of like a Vegas house. Yes, but yeah, I think that would be really fun. Okay, so tell me something, juicy happened to you.

Okay, a lot of juicy things happen to me. Well, tell me everything you want to tell me. Well, I was accosted by Caroline Stamber, you know, formerly of Ladies of London. Now, we're hospitalized Dubai. Her makeup artist decided to step up to me. Now, is this makeup artist woman a man? A woman, a woman.

I won't say her name because she probably wants that attention. Okay, a woman comes up to me. Now, is this makeup artist woman a man? What's a woman? A woman. I won't say her name because she probably wants that attention. Okay. A woman comes up to you. She comes up to me, but probably kind of is a place of love and celebration. But I also understand I talk about these people. So sometimes they don't like what I have to say, but I had no idea who this woman was. Okay. She comes up to me and she was like, you talked about me on your channel.

And I was just like, who are you? Who do you think I am? And she's like, you talked about me on your channel. And the next time you talk about me on your channel and I was just like, who are you? Who do you think I am? And she's like, you talked about me on channel and the next time you talk about me on your channel and I'm like, okay, what? What are you going to do? What would you have said about a makeup artist? I don't know.

I don't think I did say anything. So I'm thinking to myself, like maybe Caroline has sent her to do this because I've never really talked about Caroline. And she always looked pretty. Yeah, so maybe I, maybe reviewing the reunion looks, maybe I said, I don't like that makeup. Yeah.

But that's probably the most that I said. Right. So she had a lot to say she was very aggressive, very like physically coming towards me and I'm like, what is happening here? Where were you in the VIP thing? I know, I was actually in Brava Paloza area. Okay. So a lot of the bizarre, a lot of people were there. I was actually there with someone else,

another content creator. So they witnessed this entire interaction. And she literally went up to her and was like, oh, do you want to take a picture? Because she's thinking, oh, it's, you know, someone that's a fan or something like that. Right. So we had that interaction. Left it at that. I did a quick TikTok talking about it. And then on the last day in the VIP lounge, this woman tries to come up to me again. And I just like, I'm not doing this with you. Then at the Real Housewives of Dubai panel,

she comes up to me again. And it says what? She was saying a lot of different things, but one of the things she's like, oh, I should go up to the mic and say something about you. I'm like, what are you going to say? And I'm honestly thinking that I'm confused

because I'm thinking, I think you're mixing me up with someone else or maybe not because I'm hearing that she was doing a lot of things during Bravo Con weekend that to other people and stuff to other people, really drinking too much allegedly. I don't know, but I did hear Bravo executives are fully aware of what happened.

And she wasn't allowed because they went back to New York to film, you know, professionals and things like that for Dubai. So she would be allowed. Well, I mean, definitely seems like there's something going on with her. But I will say, and I said this before, I do think so many times, you know, people will write me or whatever they'll be like, this person said this about you. And I like it when someone's like around the 14th minute or whatever. And if I care, and oftentimes I don't, I will go listen and I'll be like, now that wasn't so bad. That's not an issue, you know, and I'm like, but like they want to, so I'm like, who knows if someone sent stuff to her

that actually hates you? And is saying that you said all these awful things about her to get her unhinged to go to you. I mean, who the hell knows? And my thing, she wasn't even able to give me like, oh, I know your skin fire. I know, you said this about the action. Yeah, a month ago, yeah.

She wasn't able to give me any of that. So I was just sort of like, I don't understand your issue right now. And let you look at the way she was. Oh my God, that's so funny. That it's, but also that you just kept coming around. Three times. Three times.

And Brabocon is not that. And look, I get it. I talk about celebrities, you know, not just the housewives. If any of these celebrities were to come up to me, I get it. Right. I don't like what I had to say.

But this random person that I have no idea who you are, I'm just like, man, I think you really have the wrong person. Oh. Well, what about, we're talking about Dubai, and I said, when is that show coming back? And you've heard a few things. Yeah, so originally what I heard was that it was coming back in January at BravoCon,

because when I go to BravoCon, it's not about really for me taking pictures with anyone and everything. It's really about what can I find out? Yeah, yeah. So I did hear that maybe January, February, but then I'm also hearing maybe later. So I don't know if that's a good thing.

I don't honestly, I watched it. I honestly don't remember anybody, but the Caroline stands very good and married. It's like a blur. Like it just, I feel married. It's like a blur. Like it just, I feel like, as a year ago. And I also just feel like nothing really happened in it. Like, it was just getting in beautiful outfits

and going lunch. And they're just like, maybe because the way the city is, being another country, I don't know. I just feel like it was like not a cohesive thing and they'll like never caught on. A lot of people have said that. And based on what I've heard, especially because

of the way the UAE is, a lot of the drama that we see or we could have seen in it, it goes through a filter before it comes to us because the government is looking at it. So a lot of the housewives fund that we're used to in the United States, they can't do there. They'll get in real trouble. But I'm hearing good things about season two. I'm hearing good things. We shall see though on the edit. Yeah, we'll see. Okay. Now you said there was some juice that happened with Atlanta. I did not get to any of their panels. I was because I was only their son. Oh, you didn't miss anything. Okay. So what happened? No one missed anything with the panels, but go on. But especially the real Housewives of Atlanta panel last year, it was this year,

it was, it was not good. You can tell there's been rumors. Lovebeescott.com had the exclusive that there's going to be a reboot happening. Oh, with a group of like younger people. Yes. And ever since then, people have have said, Oh, I don't think a reboot is going to happen. A reboot is not going to happen. Andy recently said in an interview during Brawbocon that he can see some tweaks happening. But the original story said that it might be a complete reboot or it might be a couple of housewives might come back.

And he's praised, Andy has praised Shiree. He loves Shiree and things like that. Wouldn't be shocked if she was to come back. Word on the street is that candy and Kenya are too expensive to bring back. So. That's juicy. Yeah.

And Juicitor did not come. I heard she was a no-show. I don't know if I believe that. But. Well, we talked about gentle lions not coming. And the rumor I just read, someone DMed me or whatever, so who knows, that it was about money, that she wanted more money to go.

And also I just don't think it's her thing. I don't think reality show is her thing. I think it's like very weird. But of course she's like, I'm not going to that. It sounds like a... She said she had an event. The problem one's to watch Netflix with her son. Yeah.

You know what I mean? But I don't blame her. I don't blame her. She's socially awkward. She doesn't make that. Right. No, yeah, I think that would be, but wow, that would be, I do like Shira on the show. Yeah.

And she was great. She, that was the only fun shade moment was when the girl from Dubai, Lisa Malan, where she goes, this is Alexander McQueen and she goes, that are Alexander Mcsheen, that was so good. Yeah, I mean, it's making the rounds.

It's making the rounds. That was the, I said on Tuesday that was the juiciest, funniest, that was the funniest like snark moment. I don't really think there was any other snark moments and it was good because it was funny. Yeah.

It was a funny snark. It was clever. Yeah. And it was good because it was funny. Yeah, it was a funny snark. It was clever. Yeah. And it was off the cuff. I mean, other than that, I don't know that there were that many like gotcha moments. A lot of people are saying that this Bravo Con we can usually something comes out. Yes. Because there's something like that.

We didn't get a lot of that, but like I said, watching the Real Housewives of Atlantic Panel and I couldn't wait to see it because to me it would confirm whether or not we were going to get some sort of reboot of some kind. Yeah. And I think when people hear reboot, they think, oh, you're getting rid of the entire cast. I don't know if it'll be the entire cast, but why did I hear this is something that I've mentioned recently, that one of the newbies that they're thinking of putting on Real Housewives of Atlanta's reboot was at BravoCon. What do you mean just walking around?

Well, I think they brought her there. Oh, did you see this person? I didn't see this person, but I did get a description and it would surprise people. Is it someone already famous? Not that I know of. But young and pretty or? I didn't get that level of description. Then why would it surprise people if we don't know this person?

Because this person doesn't necessarily look like the cast. Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah, very different. They're very different. Yeah. What are you saying? Not black.

Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Exactly. Real. Exactly. Real. Real. Real. Real. No. Speaking of which, what is going, do you know what was going on with Kim and Kroy?

Oh my gosh. What is not going on? I mean, I guess they're begging not to lose the house. Yeah. It's in the foreclosure situation. Yeah, that whole thing, no, I mean, no one should be surprised, but why isn't she on some other show making money right now? Why aren't the cameras following this? She's on the beyond this surreal life. Andy sort of shaded the fact that she was gonna be on this surreal life. I think she's burned the Bravo bridge.

sort of shaded the fact that she was gonna be on this real life. I think she's burned the Bravo bridge. I don't think a bridge can be burned if you have some juice in your life. I don't know why, I mean, what I essentially should do is immediately, if I was real housewives of Atlanta, I'd get a second crew over there. I would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to get the cameras in there and be like, we're gonna get you out of debt, but we got to film the day to day of you guys fighting, selling your purses online, like,

and make or even do a whole separate show like a documentary. But when all this, there's the only time they've ever done this smart thing was during sand of all when they picked the cameras back up. But when all this shit went down with Stasi and all those kids, why they didn't like just immediately put the cameras on there and be like, let's watch like the demise of what's going on. Like I love that now they kind of are breaking the fourth wall

and stuff like that because I'm like, you know, and I like that they mentioned Bravokon now on the show. Like we got to fight a Bravokon, but they don't say the reunion, I'm like, you know, and, and no, and I like that they mentioned bravo con now on the show, like we got to fight a bravo con, but they don't say the reunion. They're like, well, what happened in New York? Like they won't say that. Yeah. Which I don't get. I mean, just say it happened at the reunion. You said last time we're together during the reunion, you told Andy I was a bitch and I said that, like, just say it, like we're all there. Why are we acting like, like these people are still just like, like, you know, like we're looking through a people are still just like like you know Like we're looking through a glass window like we know you're filming a show like why not just say that yeah

I don't know. I don't I mean they are slowly but surely starting to Right more and more on all of the shows But that would have that would be a little bit more interesting. I don't know why drew didn't go That that I've heard she needs to get what have you heard one that issues a no-show a little bit more interesting. I don't know why Drew didn't go. I've heard you say. I mean, she needs to get what have you heard? One that issues a no show. Because I mean, she, they thought she was gonna come and just didn't get on the plane.

Yeah, because I don't recall. I was trying to remember to look at the list for who was kind of, because we already knew before Bravo Con that time, I was not going to come. I don't recall it's not knowing that Drew was not supposed to be there.

Everyone else was there in your show. And you know, I found out from a housewife that because I'm like, how does it work? Do you have to go all three days? Do you get paid extra if you do like going to tent and take pictures? Like how does it? And you just get one payment. No matter how many days you stay, which is not a lot. I heard five K nothing. And no, I, it's so, yeah, but it's part of the thing and you can gain fans whatever. I get it, you wanna be a good employee. And so you're really only, you know, but,

oh, and then I also heard that like, you know, because Ramona didn't come, there were other things that the girls were all supposed to do together, like sponsorship stuff, that those jobs got taken from them because of the Ramona thing. Wow. Ramona's daughter was the Avery, she was the Avery.

Yeah, she had her bachelor thing, which is good. Yeah. But yeah, so I think, yeah, you can just go like your one day for your panel and get out. So to not go at all just says like, something's going on. Yeah. And you could tell, you could tell,

because I know Kenya did an interview and she said she doesn't know what's going on. She doesn't even know if the show is coming back. The show is coming back. She doesn't know if she's coming back. Right. So there's no contract normally by this time, they would have already started filming.

If I was Kenya, I would be terrified. Yeah. If I wasn't going to come back. Because she, you know, she is fabulous and all this stuff, but there really is not a lot of life after housewives. I mean, there isn't. Yeah. And unless you have something else going, which was so smart of like, portion to be on dish nation and things like that. Yeah. Because, yeah. One thing I'm gonna be okay with. And Drew acting, I think it was,

oh, I watched that movie. Oh, how was it? I started value and finish. The past. Okay. Um, you know, it wasn't bad. Okay. I thought I was brilliant at peacock bonnet.

Yes. No, it was kind of bad. It was low budge. You could tell it was low budge, like the set and stuff. And then there was like a twist at the end. And but the sex scenes were good. And she was extremely convincing in them. So with Candy May have been right or whatever,

the gay scenes. And yeah, it was just, it wasn't, I mean, there was something, it was kind of slow and cheap, but they did it like eight days in their home. So like, they made, it was a good like financial move. And I think it was good what they're doing to be like little Tyler Perry's, you know? Yeah.

Because there is, there is movies and things that you do use your house and they know how to do it. And like, so it was like candy, if they didn't want candy back, I mean, she's so set with a million things to do it. So it was like candy if they didn't want candy back. I mean, she's so set with a million things to do. Yeah. We can't forget about Kenya and Kenya more hair care.

It does it do well. Apparently, it's in multiple stores. I was like, and she announced some more stores that we're coming at. Well, then that's, then that is great. That okay, then she shouldn't be scared. No. But you know, the intoxication of being on a reality show and being famous, especially a bravo reality show. I know it's hard to think it's great. They have other things, but they want to be on TV. Yes, they definitely do. It's hard to give that up. Okay, let's talk about Beverly Hills. I mean, what are your thoughts? You go first. I've talked

lots about it. What do you think is going to happen with Kyle, Dorete? I don't believe Kyle and Mauricio storyline this season. I've said this countless time, I don't believe it. I believe they've had marriage troubles period. Okay. They've already had marriage troubles. I feel like it's convenient timing that we're playing it out as this storyline.

And I'm so full. And then buying Beverly Hills is coming back and it was kind of a dud. It was kind of a dud, right? I mean, I had Brandon, a realtor on the storyline. And I'm so. And then buying Beverly Hills is coming back and it was kind of a dud. He's kind of a dud, right? I mean, I had Brandon, a realtor on the show. He's delight. But I mean, and I watched it because I love real estate shows. He's a realtor. But I didn't, I felt there was, it wasn't juicy. No. And I was like, why can't, you know, I guess Kyle, I understood Kyle couldn't be on it because of Bravo.

And Bravo's like, fuck you, you do this show and you put it on Netflix, I mean, that's what I'm assuming. You know, but like with, you know, so then, I'm like, so then he'll have drama on his show because he can talk about his wife and having trouble and then she's got the drama on her show. And I think it's real and they're making lemonade out of it. That's what I think. I think it's real and they're making lemonade out of it. That's what I think.

I think it's real and they're like, well, you know what, our show, our life is to show our life. So let's show it. Let's, in the meantime, let me promote my friend's music. And he does dance with the stars. I believe that they are in a sexual relationship. Oh, my God, really? I really do, yes. I do. I don't believe any of it. Okay. I totally do. But I agree with you.

I do believe on some level they are making lemonade out of already marriage has countless rumors of Mauricio cheating. Yeah. I just think it's convenient timing. Right. And then with, but I do also think just,

I know people go 27 years, it happens. Like it doesn't matter. People, you have your midlife crisis that different times in your life. It's not just 40, you know? And she definitely is making massive changes, stop drinking, got thin, never's of been cuter. Yeah.

You know, like that last work on her face is, I mean, she looks great. I'm just saying, like, you look back to, I mean, she's never been cuter. She looks 35. And if she's exploring this and being with a younger person, you're really, you know, I'm just saying, being with a younger person does. That's why men get with younger women. It makes you feel young and makes you feel hip. It makes you because all of a sudden you get to a place and sometimes you know, the youngest child is like a sophomore in high school, whatever. And you know, and she was so it's like, oh my god, what am I going to do? Like, if I'm not

needed as a mom anymore and all of this. And then you get, and you kind of like this new thing of getting tattoos and going on the road and having music and, yeah. So you think that Kyle is going through her own midlife crisis? Yes, I think she is. And I think that involves hanging out

with a younger person if that includes, you know, sistering or not. I don't know. I don't know, but I think it's like a little midlife crisis, a little, it's, maybe not, it's midlife crisis slash awakening. Like I think she's just kind of like, and that happens when people give up alcohol, like everything just becomes clear. And I think she's just like, no, not really into this, you know, and then, but I, I just saw another photo of him in the dance curl hanging out, which I predicted a long time ago, which I know is not, you know, and then, but I, I just saw another photo of him in the dance crawl hanging out. And I predicted a long time ago, which I know is not,

you know, a genius prediction, because people get together with their dance partners. But I could tell from the moment they were doing their little, you know, tink tucks together of both for us. And I was like, oh my God. And so, yeah, I think he's like, well, I'm gonna go for it too. Well, over Bravacan, we weekend, she mentioned the D word divorce. Do you think that they will go as far as divorcing even though they don't have a free

month? They're no prenup as there shouldn't be. They've been married 27 years ago. Their first year of marriage, they lived in an apartment. Like I had her on my show early on in my juice scoop days and she was such a wonderful guest and really told me her life story like and it was, you know, she got married very young to Ferris dad. She may have been pregnant. I don't remember but had the baby right away got divorced, met him in a nightclub.

He was like a trainer in a gym or something. And she was just like, even though the mom pushed the girls marrying rich, marrying rich, Kim married rich guy, rich guy, she was just like, I'm marrying this guy for love. And so they're in this apartment and probably Kathy Hilton was like, my God, you guys need to get your royal estate license. So she encouraged them both to get the real estate license. And he starts working for Kathy Hilton's husband. And then they did, he did well enough

that they were doing fine, right? They're doing fine. They were not rich the first season. And then, you know, he saw the opportunity with this global platform to start doing the agencies and then just blew up. Yeah. They're everywhere.

So you do you think that they will stay in a marriage just because? I mean, I wonder if they're like one of the high, I don't know if he franchises the amount of he owns every single one. But oh, what are you going to say? What was your question? Sorry. Do you think that they'll stay in this marriage because of the monetary issue of that? Because there is no cleanup and there are. I think there in no rush to get divorced. They're still living together. She said that she gave him the master and she took another room and they're just busy and they're doing all the things. So I don't

think they hate each other. Yeah. I don't think they hate each other. I don't think they totally care that the other one that each other is getting love for somewhere else. Well, she made it seem like she was on watch weapons live. She made it seem like she was unhappy with the fact that he was photographed holding hands. That's true. I don't lies. She made this thing like she was unhappy with the fact that he was photographed holding hands. That's true. I don't know. She's confusing. But I wouldn't be surprised if they never do get divorced.

And I do think a lot of people that have said this before that are wealthy and stuff. They do have like, you know, sabbaticals from their marriages. And they don't necessarily get divorced. And they do have arrangements and like, you know, because of money and because they're just like, look, we're not looking at Mary somebody else I just didn't break from you and we're rich enough to like live in two houses or live in different rooms or whatever and and sometimes they do make their way back.

Jada Pinkett Smith. What do you think of that marriage? I'm so glad that the promo run for that book is done. It was exhausting. It was so funny when people were like, take me off the group chat. Jada, that was the funniest thing. But when I really, I still am hopeful

that he will wake up and divorce her. Oh, damn. Heather. Are you kidding me? You think they're all, they you think they're a good couple. You think he's good, she's good for him. They should not be together. I think Jada has been unfairly criticized.

Okay. I do feel like Jada has been unfairly criticized. Do I want to hear everything about their marriage and all the promo run for her book? No. And I also think she went too far talking about two-packs, Alopecia. It was too much. promo run for her book, no. And I also think she went too far talking about two pox alopecia. It was too much. That's where she crossed the line for me. But

people saying two pop pictures, so death to get away from her. I mean, there were so many funny things out there. But here's the thing. I think Will is not completely innocent. I think a lot of people have protected Will because of the image Will has had over a period of time. But like you said, I feel like they're staying together to make each other miserable. I think they would both be better off if they just cut the ties.

They're working on their relationship right now. I feel like that's like, I'm like, I get it. Like I get that, you know, that was kind of your brand. But once it came out that you were sleeping with your son's friend, we don't think of you as the same couple anymore. So go be free. Because they're like, oh, till death to us part, we're going to stay miserable and all this. I'm like, why? But maybe it's the same as Kyle and Mauricio, the money. Remember, they, I mean, they had money coming together, but they've a math. Yeah, maybe they don't

want to see either. Maybe they're like, go screw who you want. I just don't want you to ever walk down the aisle with someone else. And so you're right, but I still think they would be happier and healthier if they did. Maybe, a lot of people would. If they really had something. It's probably real too.

Yeah. Well, okay, the talking about this show, let's go. You were saying, you were talking about Garsell in one of your clips. Yes. Tell me about that. First of all, Garsell, I know some people do not like Garsell on this show, but for me, who doesn't like Garsell? Oh, there are people.

I feel like she, everybody likes Garsell. Okay. I see a lot. Okay. But Garsell for me is the MVP, since she's joined this show. She brought a lot. She, especially this season, especially with Kyle. She always, you know, tells Kyle, no, you're incorrect.

A lot of people wouldn't do that. A lot of people would just sort of like, let Kyle be the queen of Beverly Hills. But Garsell's like, no, I'm not gonna allow you to do that. But I love the fact that this season that she's talking about the struggles that she has as a parent because I think a lot of people, especially a lot of women that watch these shows can relate season that she's talking about, the struggles that she has as a parent, because I think a lot of people, especially a lot of women that watch these shows

can relate to what she's, she's going through about working mom. I, I, I, I, I, I thought that was great. This scenes with the sun. Yeah. But the last episode of this, where Garsell and Doree get into it. And I love to read the season.

Doree of yesterday is back. However, I disagree with her when she says, Garsell, you should move on, because Garsell says she can't trust talking about her children with this group because of past history, last season. And to read, it's like, but it was a year ago.

How would you feel to read someone that is suffering from PTSD allegedly? If someone said, well, that happened a year ago to read, move on. Good point. You know what I mean? So I felt like she was very insensitive, particularly her of all people to say, but it's been a year ago. And now Garsell doesn't feel safe talking about. She wanted to be able to let the group know. I'm still a little uncomfortable talking. Well, let's let's let's talk about the fact of all that stuff that went down.

And they all thought it was Diana, who hired bots, who then reminded us of what happened. The boy had a Twitter account. Jack's had a, well, no, I think it was his Instagram. Okay, he had an Instagram and it was DMs or it was comments. It was comments and they were making a lot of racist comments to him. As someone that has recently gotten a lot of hate, I really don't think, in my opinion, I do not think my enemies are hiring bots.

I think there's just people that are obsessed with my life and they want to upset me. And every time I block them, they find another, you know, they do another thing and they have zero people and they come at me and they say the gross things. And so every morning, I go to the newest comments and I delete block, delete block, delete block, okay? And you went a lot. So and they say awful things about my kids too. And their looks and I just got one the other day. Why does your son come home every weekend if, you know, he must not have no friends? Because he helped me at Brawlcony went from ASU to help me at whatever they can come up. Yeah, and he was great. I mean, I, you know, and he's great. And like, wow. Yeah. But I agree, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, They act like they act like they're a fan of your enemy because they really hate that

person. They hate that person. So then, oh my God, you know, the Diana stands are the worst. Well, they're not her fan. You know what I mean? Like, because I've seen it happen to myself. And but I think when you see it with your kid, yeah, that's awful. And it's terrible, but I also think then, you know, then the kid has to decide,

like, do I want a private account? Should I have a private account? Do I maybe not want to be on the show at all? And I think they have to decide together because she's kind of in that pickle now because they had that scene, which I thought was great. The boys agreed to be on the scene, they agreed to be in the car and everything,

even after this. But she also is being honest of like, the fact that I'm having them on camera and stuff is opening them up to awful people. But listen, it exists. It exists. You make yourself and your kids are going to be attacked. And that's why some people don't put their kids on.

I think it's a combination of what happened on social media, but also what the ladies did. We can't forget what Erica did to Jack's during the season last season, where she attacked him when she was inebriated. And what did she say again? He came over and he got the flowers. I think I would see what she exactly said,

but she cursed at him. She's like, what are you doing over here? Something like that. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Kyle, Mauricio, PK, and Doreet laughed about it later. So I understand why Garcell feels uncomfortable talking about her children because she feels as if

is a genuine coming from them. So she's still a little uncomfortable with all of it. But Doreet's like, it's been a year. Move on. Yeah, that's not okay. I love Garcell and I work grew up selling our work together. And when our boys were younger, we would always get the same red carpet, like kid movies.

We were invited to like every kid movie. Oh wow. Yeah, and it was so much fun to do with our kids. Yeah. Because it'd be like popcorn, I mean, like a whole fun thing. And it was like, you know, it was great. But, and so we would, you know, talk about having boys and stuff. And so I think I love that. I love that where they're just like, it is shocking

sometimes when you hear from your kids, you know, a persp- like I've said this story before, but I had a- my son, I had a son, my son said, one time we were talking and he was like, I had done like a small pilot for like my own TV show and really needed it to go because juicy scoop was not popping at that time was not making money. And because it's so long ago. And he just revealed to me that he was like, I hated that doing that so much mom. I thought if that gets picked up, I am just not going to participate. And I went, do you manage to get picked up?

And then all of a sudden I didn't have like the snurkey son. And then I realized like, I'm so glad it didn't get picked up because you didn't want to do it. There are kids that want to do it. Tamra just said, I guess, on Bravokhan that her daughter, who is my son's age too. So she must be turning 18 is going to be featured next season And she never was able to because the ex-husband never wanted the kids, which honestly I think in the end

Terran didn't lose anything by not having her It'll be better in the end and now it's the girl's choice to come on and That'll be fun and mean, they do lose something because they don't get to be working while the kids are around them. So that's nice. That's the problem sometimes on the axis. But at the same time, but then she said,

Tamara said, was like all upset because the same night that she announced on Brabocon, the daughter texted her and was already getting hate. Oh, damn. Already getting hate. Oh, damn. Already getting hate. And even air. And even air. It was from people there.

Wow. Finding her. And so I think Terran was like, oh, because I remember years ago when we were close, she was like, my daughter really wants to do it. She's like a little ham. And she couldn't, you know, and the dad said, no. So I'm like, well, I, yeah, I feel like there has to be, maybe some type of like therapist or something, it kind of comes in or like,

now there's a new therapist, but a therapist with the social media and maybe shows you how to do everything, shows you how to block people, shows you how to this. Maybe they check their social media because it's like, of course, every kid has one. And the whole point of her going on the show is she's a pretty girl, you know, why can't she be Kylie Jenner one day? I get it.

Your mom has this platform. Why not go for it? The same time part of it is going to be these gross people writing really mean things to you and that you're just gonna have to accept it. Unfortunately. Yeah. It's part of the game. I just keep telling yourself, their trolls are not, it means nothing.

Don't gauge, don't write them back. Yeah. But I could see what's hard for the parents. Okay. So they went, is what else happened? What do you think of it the whole Sutton? Sutton supposedly wore pants so that she could be part of the Magic Mike sex show. Yeah. Now explain why she freaked out so much. She freaked out. Originally when I saw the clip I was like oh she's freaking out

because the sun you know she doesn't want to be seen at this particular place. And originally it seemed as if she was just upset that she wasn't chosen and that seems and that seems to be the theme of the season. Who was all chosen Crystal? Crystal and Erica because Erica knows the guys that it too didn't she? Kyle went up after. Oh, okay, that was after Sutton left. Okay, but I think she she really wanted to be chosen, but she felt rejected once again we were in the top of that that episode we're talking about her she got rejected again because she asked the guy to go to New York on a second date and

She felt she thought rejected, but then she tried to spin it and make it seem like oh my brand my brand You're going to magic mic and Vegas. You know your brand is being real housewife It's not the Sutton store in West Hollywood. She's on the board of American ballet. Oh, is that was it's about? No As long as she pays her checks no no one's going to boot her. Okay. I mean, you kidding me. It's not like she wanted to be chosen. She got rejected.

Oh my God, that is so funny. She had stayed. She probably could have been chosen because they came after she left to bring Kyle down. And now Kyle says they're not close. They're taking a friendship break. I mean, I think she's kind of, she is weird. Yeah. And she is awkward.

Yeah, from from day one. And she's like dorky. But I like her. She's fun. But like I can see how the friendships really haven't grown because I don't know that she, besides the Jennifer Tilly, I don't know if she has any other real friends. And that Jennifer Tilly, I'm sorry. I think they like each other, but I also think she liked going to the Dolce Aden Gabbana

fashion show. She likes being her plus one just because Jennifer Tilly is an Oscar winner or whatever it doesn't mean that she has money and doesn't mean that she has these connections. A really rich woman that wasn't on TV before like Sutton is the one that's getting the invites. Not, you know. So he's making bank off of that spouse's support. Did you see that?

Oh, well, yeah. Whoo. What was it? 300K tax-free. Herb-up. And then she got a, in cash, like 1.2 million. She's got companies and teams and I'm like, she's doing well for herself. She's really wealthy.

And she's on a popular show. She's making money. I'm certain I would like to be your friend. No, I like Sutton. I bend her short. I like her. I just think her quirkiness is what makes her good TV. But I also think, you know,

the friendships on the show and their TV friends, but still I don't think they're that strong besides Gersel. And that's the problem. Yeah. on the show and their TV friends, but still I don't think they're that strong besides Garsell. And that's the problem. Yeah. Yeah, I think I mean, I do believe that her and Kyle have a friendship, but I think it has those ups and downs. I do believe that their friendship is real. Right. Okay. What else is having Erica? What about Erica getting her her three-part doc or whatever? Is it three or two? Something about the making of the Eric Jane show. I mean, I don't know if I will be watching. I prefer watching Erica here on Beverly Hills.

Yeah. I do think that the season is her redemption season. And good for her, because you know, look, you can only dislike someone for so long. I mean, you can definitely tell that this season, she's really trying to get along and not fight. She's just giving up fighting with the ladies for Lent. But I think she looks good. Yeah.

She's in a better space. I'm ready to like Erica again, but we shall see. Yeah. We shall see. Good for her for getting a little spin off. She needs the money. Right. And then this new girl We haven't met you and right episode six will meet amary. Okay, and she's friends with Kyle. Yeah

Yeah, we'll we'll see crystal crystal. Whoa crystal. What do crystal do nothing? That's the problem Well, here's thing I I've had Chris on the show and we've hung out. She is so normal. I like her. She is so nice and normal. She is so down to earth. And I think you need that normal person. So I don't like it when people are like,

oh, she's boring because I don't find her boring at all. They need to show the fact that she does have this incredible business that they've never shared the cocoa water or whatever. This is what the second largest coconut water business in the world. Yeah, and she does stand up for such, she is an interesting person.

And like, but yeah, I. They've edited her terribly these first few episodes. Yeah. This is her birthday weekend. And you're like, oh, is Crystal still here? It's, I don't know if it's Crystal and I know people like to call her boring, but I've been riding with, I'm like, okay, Crystal, maybe this is your season. I'm still, you know, it's only a few episodes in,

but I do like Crystal. I think she has a great, relatable personality. And she likes to sing her brandy like I do. So I'm still riding with Crystal, but I can only ride for so long. Yeah, we'll see. Okay, what do you think about Salt Lake City? Salt Lake City is having one of their best seasons. Last season was terrible this season. They are doing, they're doing the Lord's work.

Speaking of the Lord, what do you think of Mary? Oh, Lord. The girl. Mary is doing the least, but at the same time being very entertaining. Yes. So I mean, do you think they just sat around and was like, let's bring back the cult leader freak? And she's like, fine.

Do you see when he asks, how is your church going? She goes, it's a, it's going through them. Construction. Redecoration. Remodel. I'm like, the church is never coming them. Construction. Redecoration. Remodel. I'm like, the church is never coming back. I went to the church.

Oh, did you? Yes. I went to the church. It's never going to come back. There were, there weren't many members left to begin. And it was all boarded up. And I think she's just like, I'm going to make my money as a housewife.

But like, the fact that she never wants to film, never wants to show up. Yeah. Never wants to do anything. Is so, and no, and no. But what she does to film, never wants to show up, never wants to do anything is so weird and no wish he does nobody and Nobody likes her. Nobody is connecting with her and nobody likes her. But they're also like we lost Jen Shaw. Yeah, who used to throw glasses and you know be arrested. We need to keep this freak around. So let's act like we're friends. That's what I think. I think they were all like, come on. What relationship, what real does Meredith have in common with Mary? They have nothing in common with her at all. She's a complete, and I don't believe Mary has one friend on or off the show.

She doesn't. Who's friends with your head about a church that's like, get me more money, it's my birthday. I mean, like nobody, she's just like a loner. Yeah, in her closet. Yeah, so worse. But I will give it to her with her return. She's, she's added a lot of comedy,

a lot of entertainment. I mean, the life is really getting much of her. Yeah. But she's definitely added something and it's helped re-vigorate after last season's terrible season. Yes. And what did you think of Monica? Monica is the MVP this season because she's getting into everything. She's fighting with everyone. But I mean, I have to say it's a good

cast. It's a good cast of women, but Monica for me is definitely. She was a good person to cast this season and who knew that the mom's story would would be bigger than everything else. Her mom and people and people coming forward with their own issues with her mom and their own oh my god similar and Yeah, and the mom being thirsty, you know, someone said it reminds of them of them Kendra Wilkinson and her mom When Kendra had her show. Yeah.

Yeah. I could see that. Her mom always wanted to be a star. Her mom literally left her in Pennsylvania so she can go to New York to pursue her dream. But what was her dream? No idea. I'm guessing you could make it. We don't know what the job is.

I need to know what the job was. Yeah. Because I'm like, she makes it sound like I went there because I was, you know, going to be the corporate manager or whatever. And then I realized it was too expensive. So I'm like, no, I think she was trying to be an actress or something. Because then if someone transferring you to New York, they would have set you up with a place.

Yeah. And what you could, what had your daughter go to school there? No, maybe she didn't want her to with her. I definitely think that she wanted, she wanted some sort of fame. And that's why she's leaning into this opportunity and making her own statements and things like that. There's a room that they might bring her to the reunion. The mother. Yeah. I mean the mother obviously wants it. The mother, you know, probably watches the shows and is, you know, acting crazy and crying like

like kind of definitely performing. There was a lawsuit that just came out. So, Monica, quite a few years ago, went and got a bunch of injectables way before the show at the Beauty Lab. And it was approximately like $4,700 for the staff, I think. And she put some money down and then she was supposed to pay $200 a month or something. And she didn't, she only paid like $400 worth. And now, right, this is it. And then now the beauty lab is suing her for the remainder money.

And now she's counter-suing, saying the injectables were bad. This is, this explains why during Bravo Con Weekend, you really didn't see Monica with the other ladies from Salt Lake City. It's a very, I mean, it came to say divided everyone against Monica.

Well, I mean, my God, she slept with her brother-in-law. She slept with her- Sister-in-law's husband. No, it was, yes, it was exactly that. Sister-in-law's, so her husband, sister, so her husband's sister had a husband and they screwed. So I mean, not only did you destroy your marriage, but you destroyed the probably the relationship between the brother and sister. And any he participated to, obviously, the guy who slept with her screwed up his marriage, even though they're still together. But then you go public by being on the show.

And now people know, I'm sure people in the town know, oh my God, I never knew they slept together. So. And we haven't really even delved into the details of, okay, you did that. So what was what happened? She said that then they got divorced, but the couple stayed together. And she's broken them. And then also the mom took the the car back and well, the the mom she pays for the car. It's the cars in her mom's name because her mom has probably remember when Vicki

presented. And now I'm realizing why the, why she has bad credit. It's probably because of the beauty lab bill. That's not enough to get you that credit. Oh, well, it's not helping. Oh, but why, why she couldn't put it all at once, 4,000. Yeah. Why did she have to have a special payment plan?

Yeah. That means she really doesn't have any money. Yeah. Because otherwise, you, but you know what, I will give this to Monica. She's very open about. Yeah, totally. Like, you know,

and I don't think there's anything wrong with the fast that she's like struggling me up with. I think that's interesting. I don't think that every girl has to be rich. I don't think we're ever gonna get a cast where everyone is wealthy. This group right here, nobody is wealthy.

Oh damn, not even Angie Kay. Angie Kay might be the wealthiest and maybe Lisa Barlow. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so.

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And it's great. It's kind of like a dry bar, like we get your hair blown out, but like for facials. So you can pop in and get like a mini facial and you can lay next to your friend and talk and get it done, you can get your Botox. I think it's a genius situation. And I mean, she's going to come out the most on top, Heather, I think financially because she's treating it like a lease of an apropos. She already had the business and now she's building on the business through the show. And that's exactly how you make housewives successful.

We think she's going to win the lawsuit, though. Well, I think she will have her win, the party to settle. Yeah, probably. But it's always bad when housewives are so in each other. Do you think that's the call that Heather, you know, in the preview for the season, Heather gets a call. Maybe it is. And she's like very dramatic and she's kicking the cameraman out.

Oh, maybe. Oh, I'm hoping we're something juicy. Me too, but no, I'm starting to think. Now I'm starting to think, oh, is it the lawsuit? Monica's suing her. I mean, for sure, she has this business and she probably has so many people that do the payment plan and don't pay

and all that kind of stuff. And so they probably know how to go about it. And probably the, and then she probably was maybe not gonna go for this, what I think how I think, I think, you know, a lot of this is hard to pursue. She's probably like a credit person. Then she finds out she's on the show, and she's probably like, fuck it, you know,

or it doesn't even know about it. Then when she starts being a bitch to her, which we'll see eventually, then she's probably like, that bitch still owes us money and was like, fuck that and then filed the lawsuit. That's what I think. And I kinda light-seeing them get along and have a friendship.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Cause I feel like Heather is that type of personality. She's sort of like very down to earth, very cool. So I can see her in Monica getting along. So when I saw this lawsuit, it was like, oh damn, there goes that, that's if you're a lion, so that's not gonna happen.

Cause I still believe that the cousins are fighting. I don't think they even like each other anymore. I really feel like nobody likes each other. I don't feel there's anybody that has a true friendship with anybody in this cast. Nope. Which is the downfall of a lot of reality. Yeah.

So they better figure that out. Yeah, and where it's like Meredith is, you know, I don't know if she, she might get along with Lisa Barlow, but how can you ever get past when you know that someone said that shit about you? One of the things. You're never going to trust them. You can maybe play along, but you're never going to trust them again. Yeah, and that's the thing, we always talk about how marriages are ruined by reality television. Yeah. We don't talk about about how marriages are ruined by reality television.

We don't talk about the friendships that are ruined by reality television. Right. Because there are some real friendships that we're on the show and then everyone wants fame, everyone's fighting to be the Andy's favorite. And then, Well, and then they always say to you,

you know, if you're a housewife, all right, you know, don't you have a good friend that we could meet and we could bring on? And I remember years ago, Tamara was like, I said to Tamara, I go, do you have people like at the school and stuff that like you think want to be your friend so they can get on the show?

And she's like, yeah, I kind of discovered that early on. And the friends that I do have, I don't want them to be cast members because chances are we won't remain friends. Like it's more enough to see it, you know, but I think when people do bring their friend on, they think like I had, remember Angie, not this Angie, the other Angie,

I had her on my show and she was great. And she was like, when I got on Lisa Barlow, it was like, oh, you're gonna come on, you're gonna come to my house and you're gonna help me pack for this trip and this and that and she was like, Wait, I don't need to be I'm not doing this to be like someone's friend. Yeah, and then they kind of had a conflict because Someone's like, I brought you on the show. You better have my back. Yeah, you're going to be my Ethel and I am the loot, you know, and it's like, oh my god And then the girls are like, no. And then or they start feeling themselves.

And then they turn on the least that an Angie Kay now. With who? Oh yeah. I think she expects Angie Kay to have that behind the loyalty. Right. And you can see it. And Angie's just like, and I'm like, Angie, no.

Find your own voice. Right. Like you better when you're not sucking up to someone. What about her husband, supposedly sucking up to someone? Oh. Well, look to each their own. I mean, he's denied it. He's more concerned that his children might, you

know, his child might see the fact that he cheated as opposed to just being a part of the LGBTQIA community. But I don't not look that part, that part of the story for the season wasn't like a big interest to me. I always I was disgusted back in Dallas. Remember Leanne. When she was high on anesthesia anesthesia, because she's about to get her tits redone or something. And then she was like, I know, I know, I know he goes to the roundup.

I know the boys who sucked him off. I know the boys who did it. And that was like the first time, like, I don't know. Then people said it about, you know, any judge. It's always, I think it is such a gross dumb rumor. And I even feel like when it was thrown around Jackie's about Jackie's husband on New Jersey. I feel like that was a little bit trying to say he was with guys too. Because it was like, oh, it happens at the gym.

We could only wish. You've seen Evan. I think he's very cute. We could only wish. But I mean, I think that is, it isn't, it is a gross thing to say. And especially when there's no evidence. Exactly. It's just a rumor.

The only time I thought there was kind of evidence was with Ashley Darby's husband. Oh yeah, because there were pictures and things like that. There was a picture of some guy in London and then there was the guy who worked on the show that said he grabbed his ass and he was always trying who's obsessed with wanting to extend. Yeah, but then they also had a photo of what he got

with a girl. I think he was just like sex addict. But obviously he went both ways. And then she came forward and said, no, I was bisexual with him. And I didn't want to do three sums anymore. They're still married, though. Now I'm just thinking how many times like there's been that that's always a storyline. That's a storyline a lot.

And I think people are sort of like every time they hear the word storyline, but no, these housewives are really trying to figure out what they're going to show for the season. What's going to be, is this going to be their season? They're always really trying to perform so that they can have some sort of level of success for the season. Remember how like it was so organic back in the early OC days with Lori Peterson living in that tiny condo and then, you know, and like they're sun being all fucked up.

I'm going all the way back to the real world. Yes, I love the real world. You know, before any of these other shows, those were the times when reality TV really was real. Yeah. But I don't know, you get hints of it on certain shows, but I don't know, it's becoming a little, I think the audience as well, it's just sort of like, I was a storyline, this is not real, this is fake.

You know what I mean? They're a little desensitized to it. Right. What do you think about the reality reckoning? Oh gosh, so Andy talked about the vanity fair or the article, and I know he told, I think it was entertainment tonight, that it was factually inaccurate.

And then a lot of people were like, well, okay, besides the Bethany and the Leah stuff, what about the Ramona stuff? Yeah. You guys literally have kicked her out of BravoCon because of some of the things that she said. Look, I think what Bethany is fighting for, I think people are so focused on

the messenger than the message. I think it's important for us to discuss that in the workplace, just because they've signed up to do a reality show doesn't mean that they don't deserve respect, that they don't deserve possibly residuals. Oh, yeah, I mean, so I'm here for it. I'm here for it. It doesn't mean that we can't have entertaining reality TV. This just means that as production, as producers, as casting, you have to step your game up in

regards to what you're going to present. People have gotten very lazy in regards to their reality TV. They want to hire people that already have fan bases. We saw this in the music industry. Right. Everyone, we went from developing artists and things like that to, oh, now, now we just need someone that's already has a fan base. We're doing that. Well, that's the same thing when people would audition. They'd be like, there's literally on the sign-up

sheets now. It says, and what's your Instagram and followers count to see if you're going to get this commercial. Yeah. You know, and I get it because then you're gonna post about it and whatever and say with modeling, especially modeling. But like, I just saw a clip of, I guess, Denise Richards was on and she says to Bethany, she goes, I'm confused by that article. And she's like, why are you confused? She goes, well, was it at stuff we all already knew?

And it really was. It was all like scoop from 2021. I was like, there wasn't one thing that I was like. Oh, there was. And it really was. It was all like scoop from 2021. I was like, there wasn't one thing that I was like, there was what there was telling me with the one thing. Okay. Oh, there were couple things. There were couple things. Leia, how much she got paid. We didn't know about that. How much did she have paid? Like 3000 per episode. Okay. But the most important one, I think we always knew they didn't make a lot the first year. Well, I always heard six, like 60,000 year first season. But you know, they never want to confirm or deny how much they get paid. But the most important detail was, first of all, why was Ramona even responding

to press? But she did. Yeah. Thankfully for us in our entertainment. But we didn't know that her using the N word in front of a producer was substantiated via phone call with Ebony K Williams. And I believe the diversity officer was also on the phone. They substantiated that, oh, she used the N word, however, she wasn't using it at the producer. So that was one thing that we did not

know that it was substantiated. And that was part of the reason why Roni, the reunion was delayed. They were saying it was scheduling, but there was investigation. They also didn't want Ramona to answer for it. It was very convenient timing for everything. Now, even with everything that's happening now, Andy answered during Brabocon, well, what about Ramona? You're going to have Ramona. He's like, well, it was already filmed, but you already knew that. It was substantially that she used the N word before. You bought her back

for a Roni legacy. This is where it wasn't factually inaccurate. So, but I agree, the vanity fair, and I think Leah said that there was a lot of PR on NBC Universal side that prevented them from including everything in the article, but I did find it interesting, this particular article, there really wasn't a lot that was new, but the Ebony K William Williams portion, there was some stuff in there that was like, Oh, didn't know that particular part was substantiated.

Right. But yeah. Well, the, somebody who of some Bravo executive confirmed and the TikTok council up failed had the facts that she did pitch a show just three months prior to the reality reckoning, three shows. Yeah. One was going to be basically sounds like a watcher happens live based on her podcast like a rewives thing.

She's like, well, we're gonna have a show like that. The other one was gonna be sure she's gonna run a camp for reality show kids of real housewives. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. So the kids would all get exploited.

Yeah. And while they, you know, learn how to work a kayak or something, a fight with each other, and I don't know. And then the third one was going to be like the real house president of Connecticut, which I had heard about that one. Yes.

She said, I'd never heard of it. And they passed on all of them. And then she said, and then Bethany goes, you know, the fact that I pitched these shows and they didn't go is not a big gatcha moment. Well, I kind of think it is. Well, she says that the cheese one decided to walk away from it.

That's her story. Okay, well, the president or whatever of Bravo says, no, we were always had an open door to Bethany and these were the last three projects she pitched and they were not right for us and then this happened. So. Well, I mean, look, is it self-motivating? It could be self-motivating, but at the same time, what she's talking about within

yeah, situation can be true. Totally, totally. And as I said before, I think a lot of people are just so thrown off by the messenger. But I have to say, since she started saying things, people that have been saying things like Neenie Leeds are finally being heard. Okay, but do you think the fact that it was so un-snarky and so kind of boring on the panels, I do think that was slightly a residual effect of the reality reckoning.

I do think people were on better behavior and not giving, not, one of the things that she said that I thought was good is that making our eyes open to why, why does Andy ask a housewife? Who's house, what housewife do you think should be fired? What housewife, you know, you know, is overrated? What, and then these people say it, and then they get hate from the fans, they get the bots, they get to this, then they'll person themselves hate them. And then they have, they're scared to see them and they have anxiety about seeing them

at Provocon. And so by answering this question, a snarky question because you're put on the spot and you want to perform as Eric said, then it haunts them forever. You know, Andy throws away the cards, goes home to his kids and comes back the next day to, and that is what we like, that's what we find funny, that's what gets to sound by, that's what makes people famous at the same time. That I thought she was, that was a really good point

to make people realize, now it's not Andy necessarily, he has producers and he asks the questions. But when I went to that shade room thing, the amount of times he asked the questions and they were just not playing. Yeah. They were not hitting them as a, as, uh, Bethany would say, he threw the ball, they didn't catch it. They let it fall into the end zone and they walked away and got a snack.

They didn't grab it. They didn't throw, no, they were not playing. And that's why he had to keep asking more and more questions so that they could have a show together in the end. Wow. Because it wasn't. I mean, are you about that one? No, I wasn't.

A lot of people were saying that they felt like maybe the reality TV reckoning was affecting Bravo Con as a whole because some of the panels, you know. It wasn't in the fandom. Yeah. The fandom was there no matter what. Oh yeah, without you. But it was, I think it's making everyone more conscious and also along with, with the

way social media is today and all of that. It just makes people go, it's not worth it to answer this question. Yeah. Especially. Because when am I going to get out of it? I'm going to have this woman hate me. It's going to bleed into the next season. And like fuck it, I don't need, I don't, I was doing it before so that I would get a gold star from Andy when class ended,

but I'm not going to, I don't care about the gold star anymore because it fucks me up too much. Yeah. So some people still do it. Some people still do it, but not many. Yeah, not me at all. Not many at all. Well, end on this one, New Jersey. They had the two casts going basically on stage. And it's, let me say, I think it's Melissa, Margaret, and then it would be Danielle. Rachel. And Rachel, they're one team. And then Dolores, Teresa, Jennifer Aiden, and Jackie Gold, Schneider, that's team two. And so they had their, and again, those panels aren't gonna be as fun.

Because there are no one's, is conflicted on team one and team two. I heard they haven't even really shot together. Many of them haven't. Yeah, I saw Melissa did interviews. She's like, some of that is true, some of that is not true. She said that they have filmed together, but here's the thing, I've probably kind of felt,

and I felt like Bravo did the fans into service because I feel like they're feeding into the separation of, oh, team Teresa versus team Melissa. Yeah. I was like, I'm not attending any of the Real Housewives of New Jersey panels because why are the They so special that they're separate all the other folks have to sit with each other eat Tom in Ariana

Sat with each other the biggest scandal of it all sat with each other and we are separating New Jersey No, put them all in a room together have let's have one panel and let's play ball Well, here's the thing with the reality world in which the people complain, like Mimi would complain. I didn't get the spin-offs like candy, whatever. It's not fair. Show business is not fair and it's show business. So the general line's not showing up,

guess what, she's still gonna be welcome back to be on the show because she didn't go to BravoCon because she's that valuable. No. There, you know, Theresa being like, I'm not gonna do the Bravicon of the list is on the stage. Okay.

Theresa is that valuable. Somebody else, you know, the fourth person, whatever, that you barely remember from summer house that decides not to go. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. You're not gonna go stand and take a thousand pictures and no, you like, so it's like

yeah. The rules will never be completely fair. Yeah. I mean, this isn't a factor where you punch a card and you do your eight hours and everyone gets paid the same amount. It's not it. But can you imagine that panel? If all of them sat there.

Right. Chaos. But then also, I think the other part is they also don't want any spoilers for the season. So besides not spoiling, so the producers are censoring them, and then they're censoring themselves to protect their own, you know, future with these people. And in the end, I think what they should do is they should just going forward next year. It should be more games, history, funny things, have them whatever. Have them do the, where they read the Andy's Shakespeare or whatever, where they read the, like have other people try to do. I don't know. I just think if you're not going to, if we're taking

snark out of it, then we've got to bring something else to make people like enjoy it. And it will be better. It'll be a more positive thing. And not that their performance is interesting. The performance. No. You didn't see the vagus thing when they came out and they were like singing. No. What didn't see the biggest thing where they came out and they were like singing? No. What was that? There was so much happening. Like my first friend, Joel, I think Andy Cohen

is the only gay guy that has, I can know music, I'll tell you this. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's funny. It was the only thing I think worse about than that is the clip I've seen from the Trace Amigos where they're singing the Sam Smith song.

Yeah. Where the trace of me. Guys, where can we go to a whip it up? It is what we got. It's the trace of me. Guys, did you see that? They were quite of at least comment section. I saw a lot of people very upset that Shannon was at BravoCon.

They felt like Bravo, why are you having her here after she's been charged with the DUI and hit and run? And I was like, oh, I didn't notice that people were, I mean, at BravoCon, it's a whole other world. People are happy to see her. But I saw the comment section like, why is she there? Why is she there? Well, I think because she didn't hurt anybody.

She took responsibility to doing everything she's supposed to do, right luckily. And therefore, like they want to keep her on the show, it's going to be juicy as fuck to see her, you know, talk about this, whether she really gives up drinking or not. She, she's kind of dodged the question about drinking a little bit. Yeah. She's like, I've removed toxic things for my life. Like John Jeyonson. Yeah. And let's blame it on somebody, you know, or whatever. But, yeah.

That's definitely going to be our story. Yeah, but I mean, you know, if they, look, Teresa, you know, was in trouble before she went to prison. She did her time. She came back. I, I don't know, you know, but then the Ramona thing, it just, it's, like I said, there's no, there's no way to say, well, should a Ramona got calm if then it's just they decide, they just decide and it isn't fair.

Yeah. Like it's just up to a couple people or one person to say, yes no, goodbye. It's not this big. Well, we took a vote and everyone sent in their ballots. And by Thursday, you'll know who the new housewife is. It's not up to us. It's not up to the loudest blogger know and some of the decisions are good and some of them are not All right, let's just plug you a little bit. This is not a good. I just grabbed this from your thing But I love what you do on tiktok and Instagram tell everybody where they can find you and what you what you're into Everything's at the campire if you go to the campire.com, you can follow me. But I'm very active on all the platforms. TikTok, I saw it, Bravo

Connell, I'll be like, I follow you on TikTok. I didn't even realize how much people follow me on TikTok, but I'm pretty big on YouTube as well. Yeah. So yeah, all the platforms, the campire. How long you've been doing it for? Well, technically, I took a little bit of a break. I had been doing this for maybe like 15, more than 15 years ago, and interviewing singers, songwriters,

I even interviewed Oprah by two years ago at the top of when she was starting her network. So I've been interviewing celebrities for a long time, and then I got back into it during the pandemic. And here we are today. Oh my gosh, I love it. And so you're loving it. Yeah, yeah, loving my own boss. Yes, me too.

And so it's the campire and that is the same for TikTok as well as Instagram. Everything is the campire. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming. Thank you for having me. I'm so glad we were able to do it. So juicy. Fine.

Do it. So juicy, fun.