Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Husband’s Google Searches and A True Dirty Jane Story

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

The missing mom’s husband has been arrested for her murder based on his blatant Google searches. Madonna is going on tour! Britney is a Juicy Scooper, but I don’t believe she is in Maui. Idaho murder suspect DM’d one of the victims. A mysterious death in Mexico involves an OC Public Defender. Jamie Lee Curtis posted and then deleted disturbing art featuring a child. Kyle Richards speaks up. Kristin Chenoweth regrets not suing CBS. Go to this Sister Wife’s retreat and earn yourself a spot on Juicy Scoop. Then I speak to Cortney LaCorte, whose recently divorced Dad fell in love with a woman who only can best be described as “A Dirty Jane.” This story is a cautionary tale that, unfortunately is becoming more and more common as our seniors join dating apps. This is a roller coaster of a story. Get extra juice on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop https://heathermcdonald.net/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Jupsiskoo. Hello and welcome to JuicyScope. Major update on the crime that I've been talking about for a couple weeks. This is about the missing mother of three young boys who went missing. Now we know the first person to report her missing was not her husband, but it was her employer on January 4th. On January 3rd, she was supposed to fly out of Boston to DC to do some work at her real estate company. And her husband once they reported that she did not show up and asked for a wellness check, her work on the January 4th. The husband said, oh, she actually left earlier than scheduled time January 3rd. She left last I saw her.

I was asleep and she left on New Year's Day that morning or just after midnight or whatever. And caught the flight early because there was a work emergency. When in an Uber, there was no record of her ever going at Uber. Now record of her ever getting on a plane on January 1st. He was arrested a couple days ago for not cooperating with police, but now they have arrested Brian Walsh for her murder, even though we don't have a body. Based on these Google searches that we've just become aware of,

Boston is reporting, these Google searches were done on his son's iPad. So this genius thought, oh, I won't do it on my phone or my computer or my iPad, I'll get my preschoolers iPad and do it on that. And chances are they won't check that iPad because he just is watching, you know, some cartoon. These are the things, this is very disturbing. These are the things that he Googled. Starting at 4.55 AM on New Year's Day.

How long before a body starts to smell? 4.58 AM. How to stop a body from decomposing? 5.m. How to stop a body from decomposing? 520. How to bound a body? 10 ways to dispose of a dead body if you really need to. 625. How long for someone to be missing to inherent? 634 a.m. Can you throw away body parts? 929-AND, what does formaldehyde do? 934-AND, how long does DNA last? 959-AND, can identification be made on partial remains? 1134-AND, dismemberment, and the best ways to dispose of a body?

1144-AND, how to clean blood from a wooden floor 1056 am luminal to detect blood 108 in the afternoon what happens when you put a body in ammonia 120 okay this is and then this is the next day oh no this is no 121 in the afternoon in the next day. That same day. Is it better to throw crime scene clothes away or wash them? Now we go to January 2nd. Still, no reporting that she's gone.

And of course, the work doesn't know that she's gone because she's not expected to be there until January 3rd. January 2nd Google searches. On the Sun's iPad, 12.45pm, Hacksaw Best Tool to dismember, 110pm. Can you be charged with murder without a body? 114pm, can you identify a body with a broken teeth? So to serving. Januaryrd, Google searches, 102 PM. What happens to hair on a dead body? 113 PM. What is the rate of decomposition of a body found in a plastic bag compared to on a surface in the woods? 120 PM. Can baking soda make a body smell good?

Sorry, soda-sturbing, but just unbelievable, and I had to do the follow-up on it. The audacity, the stupidity, the blatant, see, I mean, the prosecutor must be thrilled to have this evidence. I don't know what this guy's defense is going to be, but hopefully at this point, he will lead the detectives to the body so there can be some peace for this family of where this woman is. So, so sad. Okay. Now for some fun.

Madonna did an Instagram reel or TikTok, whatever, where she's hanging around with a table of famous people one being Amy Schumer and they're doing Truth or Dare pretty clever and she says Amy says, I dare you Madonna to do a world tour and she goes, all right, I'm doing it. So Madonna is going to go on a world tour of the last 40 years of her music. And I have gone to a lot of Madonna concerts in my life. I went to who's that girl? I went to the one where she was like a Hindu cowboy stage.

I've been to a lot of her concerts. I think the last one I went to though was like just after 9-11. So it's been a long time since I've seen her in concert. I would go see this. I think she's like scary looking and all of that, but I do know every Madonna song. So if I'm gonna go to a concert, I like to go to a concert where I know every song. So I think I will probably go.

And I think that's pretty exciting. But this is interesting because then Madonna deleted all of her Britney posts from her IG, which I thought that was weird. She had posts with from the wedding and stuff and I guess some sleuths went through. I don't know. I did not do all the work myself, but apparently she removed those, maybe to focus on her tour, maybe to move away from the Britney controversy. Meanwhile, Britney, last night, posted a video of her

in the now she knows, listen, I think Britney Spears is listening to Juice T-Scoop. On Tuesday, show, I said that she posted a photo of her dancing in her little outfits and that we knew that it was from this hotel in Maui. I believe it's the four seasons in Maui. We knew people matched the carpet, the way the closet doors are. And I said, and there's no way that she got there after leaving Joey's and Woodland Hills

because this next post of her was Saturday. So I'm like, so it's old footage of her. Then last night she posted herself in that same room, doesn't hide that she's out there and she said, this is when I got a tattoo three days ago. She's doing a weird voice but we've always hear different weird voices of her so I don't think that. And she has a guy who's doing a weird voice, but we've always heard different weird voices of her, so I don't think that. And she has a guy who's doing her tattoo, but in the video, she changes outfits and everyone that knows anything about tattoos is like, you should be in a chair, you should be staying standing still. She's like literally moving around with a guy's trying to do it.

So do the dates match up. She said this was from three days ago. So, if she left Joe is on Friday and flew on Saturday, then the timeline works out. I don't believe she's there. I think all this footage is old. I think she listens to Juicy Scoop and she's trying to say, oh, well, three days ago,

I could have gotten there three days ago, posting this on Tuesday night. I could have arrived in Maui by Sunday or Saturday night after leaving Joey's. I don't believe she's in Hawaii. I do believe she's a juicy scooper, okay? Okay, the Idaho killer will update on this. Repeatily messaged one of the victims on Instagram.

They're not saying which of the three girls victims that he was DMing, but there's sources people, magazine and many other people reporting that he did DMing, but there's sources people, magazine and many other people are reporting that he did DM her several times. We don't know if it's Madison, Kaylee, or Zena, but she did not respond. It was like, hey, how you doing? What's going on?

Several times she did not respond. So did they know each other? Was he someone that saw her working at the Mad Greek place? Did they ever have any interaction at a bar and he just didn't get the clue? We know that he didn't really have a girlfriend, so we do believe that he could just be a guy who got rejected and, you know, and maybe again, the question we don't know is, was Kaylee, whose room it was that was the first room or the first, we believe the first victims. It was her room and Maddie was spending the night.

Was she the target? And he was hit by surprise by Maddie being there and then Zina, Zina and Ethan also being there. Or was he obsessed with her but then obsessed with the whole house of the five girls and he was setting out to be the next Ted Bundy. This is the biggest question I think of anybody that's investigated this and I don't think we can say for sure. There are experts that are saying, that are FBI experts and whatnot saying, they do believe that he may have killed before.

Others people saying, no, everything points to that, he didn't. Hopefully we will know more as this goes forward. The other thing that people talk about is that what drove him to do it is that he had an in-cell complex. I'm like, what is that? This is this thing around that's been going around where men feel very strong rejection and they don't understand why they're being rejected by these girls. And it can almost incense them to a place of violence where they feel rejected, yet they feel entitled that they should not be rejected.

And did he have that going on? He was a heavy kid who then became a heroin addict, got off heroin, and then became a vegan. Very like so, you just kind of wonder about his, you know, insecurities or whatnot. Anyway, thank God he's been arrested. So we'll follow, be following that. Another sad thing. It's just that we're going to need some fun stuff. And another really sad, crazy story out of California.

There's this young married couple, they're only 30. They're both public defenders in Orange County, California. So they go to celebrate their one year anniversary to Rosarito Beach. And that is a beach that's close enough that you can drive from Southern California. People used to go back in the day along with Tijuana, you know, a lot of kids that went to San Diego State or whatever would go, let's go there because we can get to Mexico without getting on a plane.

There are beautiful hotels there and stuff, but it is a riskier place to go versus going to Cabo San Lucas, in my opinion. And then of course it's very scary if you're driving there because oftentimes, you know, there's these fake cops or real cops or whatever in Mexico that might pull you over or stop you and try to shake you down and say, oh, you missed that stop sign, you didn't see it. And it

can be scary. So anyway, we don't know what happened to them. We don't know what happened but he is dead. And the family is saying that they believe he died in a brutal crime during this trip in Mexico. What happened was they were at this hotel and he was found like he fell over the balcony or something but he was in his sleeping outfit, like a sleep shirt, underwear and socks. And very bizarre of how he got there, what happened, there's a lot that we're not aware of,

but it's very suspicious. The family finds it very suspicious. The wife is now back in America, and this is just another one of those scary stories. And I just read another story about a young girl, a nurse who was in Cancun, who was allegedly staying at this VRBO. And she was found dead after falling off a balcony. And they said, oh, we assume that she couldn't get into her VRBO.

And so she climbed up to the third floor of the balcony and slipped and fell and died. Very, very bizarre. So, I, I mean, I love traveling, I love going on trips, but you know, you gotta be really careful about where you choose to go. And when you're not in America, shit can happen. And this is, so we'll see what happens with this.

But I don't think him being a public defender I don't think his position Matters at all and I do believe he was fluent in Spanish, so We'll see what happens with that very interesting. Okay, this happened last night and I did some investigative work and I'm gonna lay it out there and you guys, you know, listen, I bring you the juicy scoop. I tell you what I think I have nothing to lose in Hollywood. Okay.

That's why I'm going to share this with you. And I'm not 100% sure what's happening here. But a juicy scoop of Seth's member sent this to me yesterday and said, this is disgusting. Why does Jamie Lee Curtis have a picture of a naked child stuffed inside of a suitcase on her wall? Update, she just deleted the post after being called out by many people in the comments. So I'm like, okay, so I look at this. And Jamie Lee Curtis, Kyle Richards, very good friend, co-star of Halloween. She is the epitome of a NEPO baby. Her mother was a huge movie star. Her dad was Tony Curtis. She's acted since she was, you know, 19. And she's beloved

and was basically a real house I was at Beverly Hills this season, which was a little too much footage for me, but whatever people seem to love it. So she'd post this photo of like these table, this table and chairs in her house. Something to the effect of, I got these tables and chairs from some movie I did and now I love it in my home. So I just took a photo of it in her home and posted it. And what it featured was this big framed photograph

in color. And you zoom up, and it's a child, we don't know if it's a boy or girl, about, I would say seven or eight, crunched up, which could be a suitcase, but in further research, it looks like it's like a big water tub. And the child's body is crunched in their barely can fit, no clothes, the genitals are being covered by the child's legs folding them. Okay. It's weird. So then I go on Twitter and be like, are people freaking out about this on Twitter?

And in the comments, I see someone saying, this is Betsy Schneider.com's art. And she's got lots of stuff like this. And so I'm like, okay. So I looked at this woman's art. This picture did pop up. I did see it. To me, the art is disturbing. I don't know if these kids are models that got paid, but they are kids that are all looking, some distressed, some happy. They're maybe have their underwear on, they have like, you know, like they took markers to themselves. Some of them look like they're sort of in poor backyards. One has his pants down and he's peeing. We don't see his genitals. We do see his bear butt. I think it's weird photos to be. I look 30 or 40 years ago, maybe you would take a picture of like this of your kid. I don't know that you'd frame it on your wall, 40 years ago, maybe you would take a picture of like this of your kid. I don't know that you'd frame it on your wall, but this isn't your kid.

This is someone else's kid. Now she took it down. Jamie Lee Curtis right away, probably someone's like, Oh my God. You know, people are freaking out. And she's like, what losers? You know, who are these people? They're I'm just saying if you really think it's great art and you really love this artist, you either keep it up or you say,

hey, you guys are all a bunch of non-artistic people. I love seeing naked eight-year-olds in a shallow water looking sad and distressed while I eat my dinner. That's what I love. I come from an artist's family. I don't know why you're so close-minded. Okay, Jamie, tell me that's what it is. This is the kind of art that was in Epstein's place. This is weird art. It's featuring kids just their feet. It's distressed. I think it's weird. It's not my thing.

If you're somebody that has that hanging up in your house, maybe rethink it, maybe take it down. That's what listen. You're probably not gonna hear about this on your other Bravo pop culture type of shows, but I think it's weird. There you go. You tell me what you think going on. Okay speaking of Kyle Richards

Jamie Lee Curtis's best friend. She was asked by TMZ who could replace Lisa Rena and she suggested Chrissy Teigen. I read the comments. A lot of people aren't excited for that. She is a controversial figure for the same reason as she'd probably like this art that Jamie Lee Curtis, maybe the two of them could have some fun. She likes this kind of stuff. She thinks it's fun and cute. Okay, she likes things like this.

So anyway, but she is a young mom. She's married to a famous person. She can be fun. If she was a young mom, she's married to a famous person. She can be fun. If she was to get picked, I predict she will have the greatest edit. People will absolutely forgive and fall in love with her. There'll be one moment where she does say, you know what? 10 years ago when I was on Twitter, I was drinking and I said some awful stuff. I said some inappropriate jokes about toddlers and Tierra's.

I said some awful things about Courtney Staudin. I thought I was being funny. They might have that one moment where she really kind of redeems herself on camera and she'll be funny. She'll have a couple snarky moments, but not too mean. And everyone will love her. And then the next season will have our fun. It'll, it would be interesting. I'm not saying higher or not, but I think they want to get younger people and she's

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So he's on Watcher on How Times Live and of course Andy asks him, who is the most overrated housewife? And he's like, I'm getting in trouble for this. Here's the thing, you guys, no one should be mad, including Kyle, because he said Kyle, if he doesn't say it, if he says, I take the fifth, you don't get a clip out of it. Watch for how his life isn't happy with you, Andy isn't happy with you.

The whole point is like to call people out and start this stuff to keep us talking. So he says Kyle, and then Kyle says on Twitter, wasn't his show canceled, and wasn't he the first one voted off of traders? I guess he wasn't. I didn't get that far. I can't even be offended. And then Resa wrote back, my show was canceled. And I was eliminated first, but my sister and all my castmates still like me. Snap. And thought that was a pretty fun exchange.

And I think they're both a little bit right. Okay. This other girl from Deuce's Go of Sess, I love it when people give me credit. Jasmine said, Heather was literally talking about this a few weeks ago, that Christian Shenoweth does regret not suing after her severe injuries. She sustained on the set of the good wife. And here's what she's saying on her own words. So I guess she did an essay

about this. This is what I talked about on the show many times. When I met Kristen Chenoweth on the set of Chelsea lately, we're both Gamma Phi Beta's and we talked. And this was shortly after she was on the set of good wife where she was a recurring character. A light fell on her head and she's a tiny little thing. And she was really injured. And we talked and she said, oh my God, I had to cancel like a $1 million world tour where I sing and do cartwheels.

There's stuff I will never recover from. It was so horrible. And I said, did you get a big paycheck out of it?" And she's like, no, because if I would have sued, then I think it would have really hurt my chances of getting other television shows. And I'm in talks, shortly after I felt, this is what I recalled, this is my memory, okay, that there was talks that she would maybe get a variety show. Now, and I remember saying, wow, where's that variety show? You know, your team and your people lie to you. You only have one chance in these situations to sue. Well, now all these years later, no variety show. And she is saying, I really regret suing her dad told her to sue,

but her team, meaning her agents and everybody said, you do not want to sue a big network like CBS. It will be career suicide. And now she's like, fuck it. I regret it. I don't care if CBS never hires me again. Yeah, because you never got that variety show. The point is people, whether you're in entertainment or not, don't believe what these people say. Nobody is your friend. And if they're giving you advice, think about

what they're getting out of it. And if she would have sued CBS and gotten $10 million, you know her, her attorney would have gotten a portion of that, but her agent wouldn't have gotten a portion of it. Her manager wouldn't have gotten a portion of it. Her PR person wouldn't have gotten a portion of it. I'm guessing those three people were the team that said don't sue. Where are those people?

Luckily, she's still really successful, but now she's speaking the truth. Something I knew a long time ago. Okay, the spare book of Harry, we've talked about it at Nazim, but it is the number one most successful nonfiction book that has ever been sold. It has the most sales and absolutely not surprised everybody's talking about it. There are so many funny things about this book out there in the internet. And I fell for one the other day, which I I've not read the book. So if this is actually part of the book, I will die. But I thought it was at the moment and it was a video of someone listening to the audio and it sounded just like Harry. And it was Harry telling a story where he was like,

my brother was 12 and I was 10. We went with our mother, our grandmother, to Elpste House or some like place. I was just, just as my head hit the pillow, I was so tired. My brother, William got out of bed. We were sharing a room. And he took my hand and he hit my face with it. And I said, stop it. And he said, I'm doing nothing. You're hitting yourself because he had taken my hand and making my hand hit my face. I said, I'm not doing it. He's like, yes, you are. And I said, no, I'm not.

And anyway, I was listening to this. And because of all the ridiculous things that he has said about William, ripping on his, you know, shocking hairline and breaking the dog bowl and everything. I really thought this was put in the book. So I go immediately to my spare Brandon and he is crying laughing. And all the comments are like, oh my God, we've played this game all the time. You know, like, what? I'm not.

You're hitting yourself. Who didn't do that with their brother? Anyway, after I could not find any article written about this, I'm like, I think this was a parody thing. But the point is, it is really funny. But then I've seen other things where people have finished the book. They've really read it all. They haven't been like me that like read every headline from page six and seen little clips,

but have not set down and read it and said, my heart aches for Harry. I'm so glad he spoke his truth. He is the only royal in the history of royals, who has actually done his own memoir, where someone else wasn't writing it without their consent. There's been lots of books about Princess Diana, but this is his. So I don't know. If I have you know, if I have the time,

I maybe we'll read it and, and maybe I will feel a different perspective. But I think we're all sick of hearing about his frostbitten penis. I don't think anyone needed to know that he and his brother were not circumcised. I think sharing the text between him, between she and Kate, Megan and Kate about the bridesmaid stresses where everybody has a story of being annoyed whether you were the bridesmaid or your kid was a flower girl or I mean, everybody has a wedding story like theirs which I didn't think was a really big beef.

One thing I thought was interesting was how harsh she was with Camilla. And now that Camilla and Prince, I mean, King, the King, Charles have been married for a long time. Like, you know, that is who he wanted to be with. And they wouldn't let him marry her because she was divorced and his grandmother was not allowing it.

And I'm like, if anyone you should be mad at is your grandma. Like, she was the one that set the president and didn't let King Charles Mary who he wanted. So then he married Diana and unfortunately they were never in love and therefore he didn't treat her well because he was really in love with someone else. So the fact that Harry could marry whoever he wanted nobody in the book said don't marry Megan. They may have said later on she's difficult whatever. Nobody said don't marry Megan. So I'm I think in that way he's a little insensitive to his dad's wife. My opinion. Okay. dad's wife, my opinion. Okay. Lisa Marie Presley will be buried at Graceland. Her three daughters will the twins who are 14 and Riley will inherit Graceland. Very, very sad about her having a heart attack and dying. My question is, will there be an autopsy,

when someone doesn't think someone was murdered? This is my question for the legal people. Like, they're telling it's cardiac arrest. But do we know that? Like, and because if I was her mom, that's the story I would want. So if I'm not issuing any kind of autopsy to see, well, was there a mix of medication? Was there something else going on?

Was there something that she didn't intend that happened or whatever? If I don't ask for it, just because she's a famous person, I mean, and like, I don't think that someone can just, you know, I don't think that autopsies are just issued unless there's really like a murder investigation or unless the family asks for it. So I don't know that Willever really know what was going on there because she didn't look great. She didn't look very well at the critics choice and, there because she didn't look great. She didn't look very well at the critics choice. And, you know, what did you die of break up broken heart? Was this a chronic condition? I don't know. I don't know that we'll ever really know the truth was, you know, we'll see. And for sister wives, you guys, there is a big opportunity for you. Mary is back offering her exciting women empowerment retreat at her bed and breakfast.

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So what's next? And now for such a juicy story, you've heard about Dirty John's. Have you heard about a Dirty Jane? Well, I talked to the cheese gal. That's her name on the internet. She has such a juicy story about a woman who infiltrated her single dad's life

that is unbelievable. And she tells the story so well well and I ask lots of good questions and it's real juicy. So here we go. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I have a really juicy story with a fabulous gal. It's the cheese gal. But she has more juicy things going on in life besides just her fabulous presence on the internet where she kind of created this whole cheese and wine, great Instagram and TikTok. Welcome Courtney. Courtney, look, Courtney. So much. Yes, is that your very same name? That's my very name.

Yeah, court. That's pretty cute. It's really hard to forget that one. Yes, and you're in Nashville, right? I am, I'm actually in my husband's, he's a pretty certain songwriter. I met his place today because I figured this is like best acoustic setup.

Oh, good, good. Okay, so, you know, if you brought to my attention, and I went and watched your whole story, which you originally, I guess, told in pieces on TikTok, and then put it together in a story highlight. Right. But it's a very fascinating situation that I don't think we've heard enough about.

Obviously, people know I was obsessed with 30 John. I've done lots of dirty John stories. And I have set on the show, you know, there's been dirty James for years and gold diggers and what have you. But I think that's somewhat more acceptable or men are even that much more embarrassed by it. I just don't hear about it. And what's interesting about your story is this happened to your father and I actually have a friend that has some similar concerns since her mother passed.

And so I think what's amazing about your story which we're gonna hear in a minute is being in that position of being the child of a senior who has never dated, never been on apps, met his wife at 25, whatever. And whether they're widowed or happily divorced or vice versa, it's a very difficult position to be in as the child and then in your situation. So why don't you just start from the beginning and what your

parent situation was and you know the dynamic in the family. Right well exactly to your point finding yourself in the situation as the child as a whole, it's a whole thing. So my parents were married for 36 years, I want to say, got divorced in 2020 and both started dating and oh my god, watching your parents swipe left or right, like it's their damn job. That was interesting. But you know, it's hard to watch your dad, especially when he takes it so hard, he's dating and just heartbroken and filing one day about a year and a half. And when you say it was heartbroken, he's heartbroken.

Do you feel that the divorce was more, want it more your mom's doing? So he didn't want it. He didn't want it, but they both mutually agreed. They're like oil and water. Like nothing necessarily bad happened. Not one person cheated or anything, but you know, it was just better for everyone.

But yeah, my dad took it harder. He's depressed, still trying to date, trying to find someone like my mom. And as you, as you, as you were the daughter, were you surprised by the breakup? Is this something that you often wondered about in high school and college and like one or the two of you just going to be smart enough to call an attorney or what would your loss. Oh, yeah. I've been begging them for 10 plus years. Please guys get divorced. We all love each other.

But we're all such a tight-knit family. And you know, we're also religious. And I think that had a part to play in the Bible belt. How that is is kind of like people look down on divorce, you know? In a church anyway. So I think they stayed together for a while because of that. OK, so your dad is now getting out there and he does. Yeah, and what apps does he do? Oh, girl, they were doing tender, they were doing bumble. They were naming off apps.

I didn't know existed. Okay, like, isn't there like one for older people like? What is it called? Our time. It's something. that's probably when he was on to be honest. Yeah. I mean, my God, he was on all of them, as was my mom. But she was doing a lot better than he was. And about a year and a half after their divorce, this is when we find out about, we call her Kathy and the story. Calls to tell me met somebody.

And I, at this point, I'm so thrilled because he'd been so heartbroken. And it was really hard to watch him go through that. And he's like, she's wonderful. All the same interest, she's this, she's that and I go really like what kind of interest. And he starts listing out things like bass fishing, western movies, acoustic guitar and I'm like huh that's very specific dad. Okay, but you know, great, sounds good. How old does she tell me about her? She's 49 and I was like, okay,

a little bit of an age gap at this page. That's like 66, 66. Okay. So you know, but you know, I feel like at a certain age, like it doesn't matter. Yeah, 18 years, that's not very easy. It's not like she's 25, okay. Right, right.

But, and then he also tells me a little bit about her background. She's a survivor of domestic abuse. She's writing a book. She's had all these crazy husbands been very twice. And they're both crazy and abusive and this and she's writing a book and telling her story. And I'm like, wow, okay, she's overcome a lot. Like, that's great. Three weeks into them dating. He literally, I get off the phone with him with him, with him telling me it's pre-casual. And then my sister and I see that they are one hour later. Facebook official saying, I love you,

posting all these pictures of them like basically making out. Bless and I'm just like, not ready for this is 10 a.m. Okay, you know what I'm saying? So maybe this is meddling or not, but my sister and I were like, we're calling a family meeting, okay? We're just too much too soon. We're worried about you dad.

And it's only your sister and you, right? Only the two of us. Okay. We're very close. She's a little bit younger than me. And so we call dad up and we're like, we love you. We're excited for you. We're a little concerned that this is moving a little bit too fast.

You've been with mom forever. And I just want you to be careful. And he assures us everything's fine. It's all good. And we're like, all right, the next day, Heather, literally one day later, I go to get a little nosy, look up Kathy on Facebook, can't find her. And I'm like, huh, that's weird.

Maybe she deactivated her account. That's probably what she did. So I call up my sister and I'm like, hey, can you see Kathy on Facebook? And she goes, yeah, I've always been able to. She's like, wait a second. I don't see her and I go, the bitch blocked us. She blocked us and I go, this is so bizarre.

I'm like, wait a minute. This can't be right. My dad's girlfriend who we've never met blocks us on Facebook. Okay. And you've never met her because how far are you living apart? So we're in Nashville and they're in Texas. So, you know, yeah, two-hour flight, 10-hour drive.

Yeah. And we call him and we're like, hey, did your girlfriend block us on Facebook? And he goes, listen, honey, it was to protect you. And we're like, hey, did your girlfriend block us on Facebook? He goes, listen, honey, it was to protect you. And we're like, excuse me, protect me from what, dad? That's such an odd response. And he ends up actually admitting that it was a knee jerk reaction after a fight that they had.

And I said to him right then, and there I go, dad, that is a really strange like reasoning or reaction to a fight you guys had to block your daughters. That's odd. We hang out for a while. It's really odd. I would think anybody in that position that is trying to like, likes an older guy and is trying to like maybe marry them or whatever. Their whole thing would be like, you know, and maybe this would also be a red flag. I want to meet

your daughters. Oh my god, I love kids. How old are their children? You're such a great grant. Like, you know, so it's like the complete weird opposite of that that like she wouldn't want to try to like kiss your ass. Right. No, so that's what I would think, especially after being married for so long. Like, yeah, there's a new woman. I mean, that's what I would do anyway. Yeah. So you're right. So word like dad, that's really weird. We hang up the phone and I'll never forget, this is the first time I ever say out loud.

I look over at my husband and I go, something's wrong. I can just tell you, I can feel it. Am I good? He's like, I just think she's being bitchy. I go, no, I feel it and I can't explain it, but let's see. So she unblocks us after I guess they talk. Facebook plays a larger part in the story

than unfortunately that I would enjoy, but anyway, a few months goes by and we start getting calls at my mom and I and my sister start getting phone calls from family friends saying that a woman named Kathy fredded them on Facebook. They didn't know what was. They click on it. Click on a profile.

They see that she's dating my dad. Like very clearly dating my dad. They're like, this is so odd. I mean, we're getting from old family friends. People went to middle school with, I mean, just the most strange collection of people. I'm like, this is so bizarre. I go to click on her Facebook profile.

We had only one or two mutual friends when she and dad started dating. We now had over 50. And I start looking through two mutual friends when she and dad started dating. We now had over 50. And I start looking through this mutual friends list and I quickly realized these are not people that were on my dad's friends list. These are people that were mainly on my friends list. And he had just been undergoing like hip surgery or knee surgery. So while he's laid up on painkillers, she's going through my Facebook friends. I'm like, what is the point here? What, you know, this is so strange. So, call dad, tell him what's going on. And he also seems really concerned. And he lets me know that Kathy is out

and getting his medication. So he can talk for a minute. We're talking, he's like, what? This is so odd. I give dad, she's even friending people, I dated. Like, what the hell? And he goes, I don't know. This is really it as he's talking, I hear the door chime go off

like she's back home. And he goes from talking to me like this to, oh yeah baby, sounds great, absolutely. We'll talk later, okay? And I'm like, and I'm like, dad, are you okay? And he goes, I don't want World War three. I do not want World War three. And I'm like, all I imagine he is your dad laid up

with like his leg and he's like incapacitated and fun. Yeah. Kathy Bates literally comes back from a misery. That's exactly what this feels like. God. So I'm just like, shit, okay. We hang up and I'm like, are you okay?

Because then I start to realize he's afraid of her. And that's the first time, I mean, my dad's an Italian stallion, okay? He's a strong man. I've never in my life heard my dad with that tone of voice. So I fire up a text and I'm like, are you okay? Are you safe? I'm saying things like that, Tim, because it scared me so bad.

And he's like, I'm fine. I just don't want to deal with a fight with her. I'm like, I understand, but please understand that I'm not gonna reach out and send her a message. No, at this point, I know she's helping them recover. Yeah. Is she, has she moved herself in or what's completely, she's completely living there?

No job, no car, fully living with my dad and living off of him. And I think there are four months in. Where did she say she was even coming from to him? Did she ever have an apartment or a home? That's a great question that I don't have an answer to. I have no idea. I mean, I never got to know that part of the story. I mean, my dad just said it was a whirlwind romance.

So she moved in pretty quickly. I think she was so crazy about the apps, you know, is that because you're not it meaning someone through friends or through work or through whatever, they really can. And especially when you're older, you really can tell whatever story you want. And, and then I always remember my friend dated someone who turned out to be a sociopath. But she said the same thing. This is when we're like in our 20s. And she's like, oh my god, it's the greatest.

I like Jelly Bellies. He likes Jelly Bellies. I can't wait the most. Oh my god. Like littlest things. Like, yeah. Like very unique, just like the best fit. Like it's one thing to be like, hey, we're both adventurous.

Or both, don't we? Yeah, we're both the people that want to land or cabana for the entire vacation. We have that in common. But to be so specific like John Wayne fishing. Not just fishing but the bass fishing. The bass fishing and the western movies. And court you know much I love John Wayne and I'm like yeah it's almost like she saw a profile right.

Right. Okay so you're worried about this exchange on the phone and then what? So we hang up, I sit in the text and I'm like, listen, I understand that you're not gonna say anything to her, but I am going to because this is making us all feel very uncomfortable. She was even fretting on my mom's best friends and their sons.

Like, just was like, and at this point, I should talk to your mom about it. Oh yeah. That's the thing is we're a very close family. Mom and I and even my dad was still close with my mom at this point. So and what was your mom thinking? Was she concerned or not concerned? Right away concerned. Right away. From the first time she blocked us. And so yeah, I mean she was even wanting to make some suggestions for some of the actions we took later on in the story. Um, but yeah, so I just like, I'm going to send her a Facebook

message. So I said, Kathy, a Facebook message my first time to ever really. Yeah, are you able to do that? Even though you've been blocked. She unblocked us at this point. Right after she, like, Dad and I had that conversation. Okay. He had her unblock us. Alright. Anyway, so I'm like, Hey, Kathy, listen, I know we got start off the wrong foot with you blocking us. But I we're getting all these text and calls I kind of go into the story and like we're trying to understand where you're coming from. Also, please stop it's making people uncomfortable, including my mom and I,

and my sister, and talk to you soon. And I'm fully expecting her to come back, explain, apologize, what any normal person would do. No, she comes out swinging. Like, out the gate, the first sentence is high-cording. I don't give a shit if you're your sister like me. I'm the one here taking care of your dad, goes on, I love him more than you do.

You're causing him so much stress. You're gonna give him heart attack. That's the first time she remakes that comment to me. You're gonna give him a heart attack. Important to note. And then she signs off the best part is peace, love, and blessings, Kathy. I respond. Okay, so that's how, Kathy. I respond.

Okay, so that's how you want to play it. Got it. Roger that. And again, look at my husband. I go, something is wrong. I can't feel it. I need to feel it. That would you write back? Is that how you're playing? I literally just I, oh, yeah, that's all I said. Okay. So that's how you want to play it. Got it. That's the message she doesn't respond. Okay. Um, I take screenshots of that message sent it to my dad so he could see clearly what was said and I think it could be twisted. And I don't hear

back from him for over a month, month, month and a half. We don't talk and that's a big deal for our family. What do you mean? He's not taking your calls or what? Not taking my calls, but just going to voice. So it's just going to voice. No, he just wasn't calling me back or wasn't texting me back. He might have one word responded to a couple of things. Like it was my daughter's birthday over some over that time that we weren't talking. So I think he said happy birthday, Charlotte or things like that, but not really talked at all, but he was talking to my sister. Okay. Um, not talking to his brother.

So then you start to see that the alienation is going into further, so she's isolating him. And I am doing, you know, all I know to do on the internet, looking up her name. And all that I can find is an old, like, local TV interview where she's talking about how she's a survivor and how she's going to write this book and what at raising awareness about domestic violence. And then the only other thing that I see is that she was a missing person a couple of years back. But there was no resolve or no explanation as to why. She just said she was reporting as a missing person and then she was found. And so you're like, okay, this was

a really... And there were no details of how she was found. So this is like a Sherry Papini situation. Yeah, yep. So, oh my god. Okay, continue. So, dad and I don't talk. And there was one day, I'm like sitting in the target park and parking lot and I'm just thinking about him. I'm like, screw it.

I'm gonna call him again. Call him, he picks up. And it's the first time he's picked up, but he quickly lets me know I'm on speaker phone. And I'm like, I'm like, perfect. Because there's something that I want to say that I want her to hear. And I just said, Dad, I love you so much. And I don't know why I said this, but I said I've been praying for your protection.

Every single day, please call me when we can talk alone. And I hear him take this really big sigh and I can feel the tension. Oh, you know, you can feel that you can cut it with a knife and it's over the phone. And he just says, I love you too, court. We'll talk soon. We hang up. And I fire off a text immediately. And I said, dad, please, please, please call me whenever we can talk alone this week. And he responds with, no, I'm committed to Kathy Honey. And that's when I realized he's not allowed to talk to me without her in the room.

That was my first realization of, oh my God. So, a red alert, obviously, I'm like, holy shit. This just went from zero to 100. I'm like, I call my mom and my sister and my aunt. And I'm talking with all of our close family. At this point, because we're all getting very concerned and then this just took it up a notch. And I'm like, who do I talk to?

Who has met her? And the only person at this point, or people that had met her at this point, are close family friends, we're gonna call them Larry and Sally. We've been friends for over 30 years. They're like second parents to me. And they had gone on double dates with dad and Kathy.

Because they live near your dad. They live near my dad. And for whatever reason, she must have not felt threatened by them or something or they're also well off. So when you start to put the dots together, you're kind of like, oh, I think maybe they were her next mark or something. And I'm curious, were they fond of her prior to hearing about this because I'm

imagining she was probably oh so sweet to the wife or let me help you in the kitchen and probably lying about her past and how relatable she is to their lifestyle. She had gotten very close with the wife. In fact, she was even like training her in the gym and stuff like that. So they were like spending a lot of time together. Larry said he always felt a strange like thing he couldn't put his finger on. So as we're on the, so back up, I was, but hey.

So I'm like, I got to talk to them. I called their daughter first that I am friends with and I tell her what's going on and she's like, holy shit, Courtney. And I go, I know she was, you need to talk to my parents like right now. So we set up a call, hop on the phone with everybody and they said, we had no idea.

He hasn't told us that there have been any problems with you guys at all. I guess Kathy had made a couple of comments about me and they're being something with me. That was negative, but I don't remember exactly what it was. And he says, you know, the strangest thing about this whole thing is that I know your dad and how much he loves his girls. Like he loves y'all more than life itself. So for me, that's the biggest red flag that he would allow anybody to come in, you know, and kind of cause division. And then I bring up the Facebook thing about how we had all these mutual friends on Facebook.

And he goes, huh, while we're on the phone, let me check my Facebook friends. So he gets on his Facebook. They have over 60 mutual friends now. At this point, he goes, Courtney, we had one or two when they started doing it. So she wouldn't be friends in their whole social circle.

Yes, people, okay, so he's in his seventies. He said, people that I went to elementary school with. So you're like, what? And he goes, okay, so. To do like a little tester, he said, we're actually supposed to go out with them tonight. I'm going to say the name of this guy. Let's hear in here in town. That's very wealthy. I'm going to stay in front of her. So she hears me and let's see what she does. Okay.

She calls me the next morning. She took the bait. She friends that person too. And I'm also like who are these people that are just accepting a friend as for people they don't know. Like that's also strange to do that. I think that's also kind of an older person thing because I don't think I have that much room.

And they're like, okay, looks like a normal person or they go, oh, they know these people are like, you know, she lives in Texas now and whatever. That's kind of what I think. So then we're like, okay, this is really strange. Hang up with them and I am, how can I, and it's not like I can just go to Texas and walk into his house.

At this point, they're talking marriage. He is in so deep, He's barely speaking to me. I just knew we had to be strategic. It's just like an innate thing. I'm like, I know whatever I say to him, I just have to have some evidence to back up. So I've got to find out what is the dirt on this woman. So my mom actually brings up.

She's like, have you talked to his old singing partner? Dad, your dad's old singing partner. Yes, dad plays guitar around town. Does these little gigs so cute, you know, he's like basically retired. So he does it for fun. And he had the singing partner for like over a year that they would do these gigs. Well, they stopped singing around the time that Kathy entered the picture. So my mom goes, you need to talk to her.

See if she knows anything. Sure. She's a female. Well, of course she wouldn't like that. Of course. Of course. So I send her a message and I'm like, hey girl, sorry to bring this up, but I just lay, I'm like, I'm desperate.

Have you met Kathy? And she responds very quickly and is like, oh, I've met Kathy and she is insane. She goes, can I call you? And I go, please. So she calls me. She lets me know. She goes, I'm just going to tell you something, she says, I love your dad, but that woman, like something is wrong with her, she goes Courtney,

like one of the gigs, one of the last gigs that they did, there was some sort of altercation that was started by Kathy. She goes, it was bizarre. She goes, I've never been spoken to like as an adult. So she like lashes out at her. They stop playing, okay. A few months later, she says, this is over the summer now. She receives a Facebook message from a profile that looks to be Kathy. In fact, the name is like whatever her Kathy Jones. But when she goes to click on the profile photo,

she sees it's Kathy's mugshot. And in the bio, it says something like, gold digger, do not trust, she'll take all you have and accuse you of assault. And so it's like a warning Facebook. So if you go to look up her name, that's what would pop up. And wait, so somebody sent that to her? Someone sent this to the singing partner.

If we can't add whoever that person that she wrong before knew that Kathy was involved in this circle of people. With my dad probably. God. They would post all these videos. And so she opens up the message. And the message is like, hi, saw you know, you know, Greg and we're, she, uh, Kathy is not to be trusted. She ruined my friend's life, framed him, accused him of assault, stole his money. So then we have that message. And she's like, do with this information what you will. But you know, it's also said, I have no skin in the game, but thought I would pass this along to you. And so, you know, she's telling me this information. I said, can you screenshot that and send it to me right now while we're on the phone. So while we're on the phone, she sends telling me this information. I said, can you screenshot that and send it to me right now while we're on the phone.

So while we're on the phone, she sends it to me and then I fired off to my best friend and her husband and my husband as well. These things I didn't care the kids, you know, so he's busy. And she tells me I'm so sorry I didn't reach out sooner. I just didn't want to be involved. This is all really crazy and like, no hard feelings.

So we hang up and I call my best friend and she goes Courtney. We while you're on the phone, we look into she was, have you seen the mugshot? And I go, no, she goes first of all shows the date of arrest is in January of this year. At this point, we are in October, this is of 2021. So nine months prior. Her last name is different on the mug shot. And so we did a background check or quick little thing on the new last name. And all of these things pop up from, I mean, her criminal record starting in 1989. She has 20 something, I actually went back, 20 something different spellings of different names.

Like, she would always keep her first name, but change her last name and then would change out by one letter. So it just all these different things. A burner phone number, been married four or five times until my dad, she'd been married twice. You can see there's multiple mug shots where we were able to pull up. I mean, just all of these things,

you can see that she's been incarcerated but you can't really see where or the details of that, just lots of stuff for theft. And we're like, holy shit. This was like, theft like a fraud thing, like bad checks and that type of stuff. Yes. Yes.

Yes. And that's all we can see, because when you kind of pulled this general background check, is she getting, is she quite like attractive? Like what's her look-wise? Is she like putting together or plastic surgery or what? No. I mean, she was attractive, attractive for sure, but not, not like, you know, Pamela Anderson or anything. Right. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And my dad's an attractive guy too for 67. So I think, I don't know. So she's, decently put together. She's been through a lot, which you can tell. And let's read, but you can. And so we get this bombshell of her background. And I'm like, holy shit.

I freaking knew it. I knew it. It finally was this moment of like validation. If I'm like holy shit. I freaking knew it. I knew it. I just, it finally was this moment of like validation. If I'm not crazy and then we're like, oh my god, we got to get to my dad. So we hang up, our run inside, tell my husband and he's like, so we're driving a Dallas tomorrow. I'm like, oh yeah, we're getting in the car, throwing the kids in the car at the crack of dawn. Now my kids are going to be at my in-laws house. They were never involved in all of this. And we're going to do a surprise intervention. We knew if we gave her, she's a pro. So if we give her any chance to like get her shit together, like to manipulate and to change the story. Yeah. She's a professional criminal. So it's like, who knows what she would do.

it's like who knows what she would do. So we don't tell my dad, but we, of course, we're telling everyone that is in the loop. Larry and Sally are like, oh my God, okay, well, listen, let's host the intervention here. So we're driving in on a Monday morning. We're driving there, we get there late Monday night, he's like, they're supposed to come over tomorrow. So let's do it here.

The whole plan is gonna be, hey, I just, after five minutes, they're supposed to come over tomorrow. So let's do it here. The whole plan is going to be, hey, I just after five minutes after they get there, hey, I just got to call from court. She said she's coming over. It's something sound like it was wrong, is everything okay? Like they're going to kind of play that and he just didn't want him to feel like he was ganged up on. And luckily, actually Larry has a lifelong career history and mediation. So he's like the perfect person to kind of post this and be neutral. And so on that drive, I am looking up every single thing I can about this woman. Okay, I'm looking, oh, I am, she is gal, like private investigator gal. Okay, I missed my calling in a life. That's what I've been. I'm looking, I'm finding all these Facebook groups that she had for raising awareness for survivors.

And then I find this one comment from this woman who's like, Kathy, you owe me this much money. You're a fraud. Did it, did it, did it. I'm like, that's who I need to talk to. So I sent her a message. And she thankfully responds back and is so kind. And she goes, oh yeah, she's a complete fraud lies about all these things she owes me thousands of dollars said she needed the money to go to some charity event never went to charity event she was I was paying her bills like the whole thing.

And she gives me even more information for inmate numbers at different places. She's a huge fan. She could just charm anybody. Anyone and women, God, girl friend, met a friend, got a friend thinking. She, you know, I'm gonna help this woman. I'm her girlfriend. We bond. She must have some charm or some fun personality. And then it's two.

And then it probably takes, you know, a, you know, a while for someone to realize who they're with. Yeah, you know, definitely. And that's the crazy thing is to use my dad was in such a vulnerable place. Like, you meet someone like Kathy when you're healthy, you may not be as inclined to like kind of go along with this, but he was in such a bad place. I mean, you know, so, right. Bless. And so we ended up finding out all these things, even more stuff. And then we had this plan in place that the next day, she's going down.

I mean, truly, the second we get to my in-laws, I'm printing out papers. I'm getting folders together because I'm like, this is going to be a freaking presentation. Here you go, here you go, here you go. Like, we're going to do this because I knew my dad had to see it. Yeah. You know, have it in front of him. Put out her mug shots and all that. And then we get a call. The next morning, early afternoon, Larry tells me he's like, listen, I forgot a little detail and that's that cafe like packs. She carries a gun with her because her ex-husbands are always stalking her and out to get her. So she and your dad actually go to the gun range all the time and she's an incredible shot.

So Chris and I were like, oh shit, okay. Do we do this? This is different. This is, everything is escalated, but then we're also like, but my dad's life could potentially be in danger too. If, you know, so I'm talking to Larry and Sally's daughter and she suggests hiring this like bodyguard that she'd used for events or whatever. She's like, I mean, he's great and here's his number and let's see if he's available.

He was available. He asked for like a quick rundown of everything and he's like, oh my god. He's like, this is a damn lifetime movie. I'm like, I know. Sorry, Bob. And then we have the plan in place. Meet him later that afternoon. It's like a few minutes before we go in the house. I actually have to go out. Were you so nervous or excited or both or what? Heather, even when I talk about it, I have a pit in my, it's like this pit where you're nervous and it's like adrenaline. And you're just like, I felt this time so dramatic, but I felt like I was

literally going in a battle to fight for my dad. I knew her claws, like, we're just sunk in, and it was gonna take a long time. Were you ever thinking, were you ever thinking like different scenarios? Like, what if your dad was just full in the cult? And it was just like, no, she's the love of my life,

get the hell out, you actually like, roll that in your head too, to of what life, get the hell out. You actually like rolled that in your head too of what the WIC Worse case scenario. Fully prepared for that. Now that was hard too. And actually something I didn't say on Instagram or TikTok, that's a, there's so many details of the story that I forget sometimes,

but one detail was he called me. He called me in the middle of the day. He hadn't called me in months on his own and he was in the car and he just was telling me how much he loved me. And he was alone when he did that. And he was alone. Yeah, I get, sometimes it's a little emotional. And you had that when you had that call, were you like, Dad, I just don't think this woman's right for you or did you just take the love and let them be? I took the love and I said one or two things but I pretty much let it, I let it be because I again, I knew I couldn't say over the phone, here's all the evidence I have that she's

not who you think she is. I knew I still had to see him because he was so and he even told me on the phone, who's like, listen, I want you guys to try to work it out, because we are gonna get married. And so he's down like, oh shit. Oh, in fact, the words were, we are all but married, is what he told me on the phone. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm praying she's not on the will, on the house, on the, that's where my mind is going, because you're starting to put the dots together of,

oh, she's a con. That's good. And then I'll never get rid of her. Yeah. And she married, so you'll never get rid of her. Yeah. And she marries her. You'll never get rid of her. So yeah, we're a few minutes before the whole intervention. And I am sick to my stomach feeling like I could throw up.

I actually have a video. I don't know why I took it. But my husband and I are in the car. And I'm like documenting. I'm like, this woman named, da, da, da, da, da. Here's what's going on. And I go through it all. I think just so we could have it in case she hit the fan.

And we have to make some sort of, I don't know. And then we go in and Sally opens up the door, gives me a big hug, she whispers in my ear. She was freaking out, what shared you were coming. And I was like, oh, I bet, I bet so. And she tells us there in the office and waiting for us. So God, who is part of it's me. So there are things when I impersonate Kathy.

If I feel crazy doing it, but like this, this is how she was. There were facial expressions and tone, voice, inflections, and changes. I've never seen anything like it in my entire life. My husband, I mean, and we all witnessed this, that's the craziest thing. So I walk into the office, Larry is behind his desk, dad and cat, your straight ahead. First, I hug Larry, I see my dad and he just looks she white, she white, he looked terrified. And that's my first time ever meeting her.

Walk a little bit past her, she's not there to me. And I just give my dad the biggest hug I have ever given him ever. And just said, I got you, I love you so much. That's all I said. And I just look at her stone cold. I'm gonna need a few minutes with my dad. If you look, excuse us, she looks at me.

Daggers in her eyes. I mean, all of us have talked about it since the daggers at her eyes. Absolutely like that. Sure. Oh, look. Yeah. She leaves, goes with Sally poor Sally.

She really holds this part of the story down MVP. They go out there and we quickly realize that there's a fireplace that kind of goes into the living room so it's office and the living rooms fireplace so we're like we got to go to another room so she can't hear us and my dad is like Courtney what is going on? What's happening? And I pass out the folders, again, it's a presentation. And I'm like, I love you so much, dad, in fact, I love you so much. We threw the kids in the car yesterday morning,

drove here to tell you that she is not who you think she is. And that's when I opened up the folders and I had it strategically placed that the first thing he would say is her most recent mug shot. The first thing out of his mouth is, no, no, no, I knew about this because, okay, her ex-husband tried to frame her. He injured himself, had her rested.

It was this whole, and I go, dad, that's like, that's not true. So this arrest was that she was, she did domestic violence on her ex. Yeah, that's what was. She was the one that was violent. Yes. Got it.

Mm-hmm. And so, but he knew about that one because she was, yeah, she was framed. Right. I go, okay, well, look at, look at the next two, Dad. And then here's her record. And then here, she did time here and here. And I've talked to this person, that person, her phone number is, is a burner phone. He goes, well, I know that. That's because, you know, her exes are crazy Courtney. And I'm like, okay, dad, I go, I need

you to understand that this whole thing, everything that she told you was a lie. This is not true. She is not who, you know, you think that she is. And you can just see him sink down and his face goes white and he's like, oh my God. And it takes him a minute because he's like still kind of defending some of the things, you know, because he's been brainwashed for six months. Right.

By the way, all this happened in six months. Wow. She was very efficient, you know? So finally, you know, it comes down time to like, what are you going to do? How do you feel about this? And he says, I mean, I have to be done. Oh, what a relief that must have been. In that moment, oh my god, cried. It's bald. But I still knew like, she's still out there and living in his home, how we're going to get her out. How are we going to get our this house and

also how are we going to get her out of my dad's house? And then what about the gun thing? He told me that she had changed her purse that day. So Bob the bodyguard, by the way, is not in the house, he is outside of the house because I don't know, we just felt, if we walked in with the bodyguard, that just would have set a tone that maybe didn't need to be set yet,

but he was literally outside the front door, waiting to text for me or for me. So you were 100% she didn't have a gun with her. Not 100%. Okay. No, I wasn't until dad said that she changed purses. They like what they like went to workout or something. You have that as you grab something, some stuff, some bigger. So she changed a purse. And I was a but also the purse was in the car. So even if even if maybe, at least it's locked to win the card, he had the keys. Okay. But he's just like pretty out of it at this point.

And we're like, are you ready? And he's like, I'm ready. So we go out there. And she is, you can just tell wheels are turning. What do they know? And she's trying to do like a little bit of small talk. My dad sits down. And my husband, who I was joke is like a gentle giant.

I've known it for 12 years. Never has been rude to a single person. He just says, cut the bullshit. Kathy, we know everything. Like we're done. You're done here. Well, what are you talking about? I can't explain.

And we're like, you don't even know what you're explaining. And my dad just goes, is this true? And we, you know, bring it. She goes, I will not be accused of something I haven't done. And he goes, these are accusations, these are convictions in the court of law, okay? Put down the folder. She sees the folder and she, I can explain all of this. You know, she's slipping. I can explain, okay, this is she's like grasping. And we're like, okay, and I forget exactly what my husband says, but he says something to piss her off.

And this is the first time it's like her neck turned and this voice comes out where she literally says, I'm sorry, I'm gonna cut this, but she goes, shut the fuck up, you fat ass in front of everybody. And we're like, what? Yeah, just a bit like deep voice, angry eyes after with her little sweet Southern bell, the moment of the exorcism or something. Literally, we should have

brought a priest, not a bodyguard, you know what I'm saying? But it was so bizarre. And then that's when that was the beginning of this sort of strange, uh, in and out of that voice. And she was going after me, telling me my dad didn't love me. I was gonna, she always said something about me giving him a heart attack. She kept saying that over and over and over. You're gonna kill your dad. His blood's gonna be on your hands and you're like, what the? And my dad is sitting across the room just head in his hands.

Completely, he is not with us. Like you can tell, he is just overloaded. And he has had some heart problems. 2011-ish, like went into cardiac arrest and all these things. So we do have to be careful with him with stress. That was another component that I had to think about. But I run over to him. And I'm like, Dad, are you okay? Are you okay? And he's just sheet white. And so Sally runs get the blood pressure cuff. We take as blood pressure, it's like 206 and going up. And so we're like, okay, do we need to call an ambulance in the middle of this like

intervention or whatever's happening? And she's still going in on me at the same time. No, so at this point, she's like, not like how do you you don't feel good? She's not even focused on no, no, she's going see you're going to kill your dad. You're going to, I mean, just like, oh, and then she starts chanting to me Jezebel, calling me Jezebel, Jezebel, you're Jezebel, Jezebel, and I'm like, oh my God.

Like all of us, Chris, what is the story? Wait, what is the story of Jezebel? Jezebel, it's like a biblical story where I believe was she the one that like, killed the king, made the king fall over there and killed the king. Yeah, I feel like it was like something sort of like evil. Yeah, it was like enticing, like an enticing evil thing with bad plans. So the fact that she was calling me Jez Ball was really interesting.

And so I'm just looking at her and I'm like, okay. And my sister is on her way at this point. She was flying in from San Diego where she lives. And so, dad is like, I have my nitro pills with me that I'm going to take. And don't call the ambulance please. I just want to go lay down and we're like, okay, so we take him back. We all stop for a minute. Because I mean, at this point, I mean, it's very combative. I mean, I'm like, oh my God.

So he lays down, his blood pressure starts coming down. And then just all this fighting keeps going on. And my sister gets there and walks into the house and is like, where is she? And she's looking right at Kathy and Kathy goes in on me again. And Christine hadn't seen it yet and she goes, Kathy, you've got a lot of nerve. It looks like you just got out of a flying pan with bacon grease.

Okay, like, and that was the only comment out of the, I was like, where did that come from? She's like, I don't know. It was like the first thing that came to my mind. I'm like, okay, that was the only thing that shut her up the whole time. And so we all go back into the room except for Kathy. Kathy is in the kitchen alone.

I come out of the room like, you gotta go. Like, I don't know what she need to figure out, but you gotta go. And she is going through the kitchen drawers, one by one, sort of like rattling through, like clanking around. And I realize she's looking for a knife. Like, it was very clear.

She looks at me with like the most, and of course, immediately, I'm yelling for everybody and yelling for Bob, the bodyguard, who comes, you know, comes in. I'm like, this is what she was doing. She was, I wasn't looking for, I was looking for the trash or she makes up something like so obviously not true. I think she was probably trying to intimidate me or whatever. And then yeah, it all sort of eventually wraps up with her throwing the papers in my face, one by one, this was my favorite comments of the whole intervention was,

yeah, cheese gal, yeah, cheese fucking gal, throwing the pit and I was like, what is going on right now? Yeah, honestly, she had done enough research showing you. I don't know that you had this in your questions too. Yeah, I'm sure you're my dad too, you know. But yeah, it was pretty gnarly.

And she's saying things to me still, like you're gonna kill your dad. She brings up the heart attack thing a lot, which is interesting. So now what do you do that night? Like where does she spend the night? Do what happens now? She disappears. Totally disappears. She leaves the house leaves the house on foot.

Leave on foot. We go outside because it's a long sidewalk on both sides. Yeah. See anywhere she went. Of course, then everyone's freaking out. Is she hiding in the house? Is she at my dad's house? And I'm going right into defense mode. is she at my dad's house and I'm going right into defense mode. Dad, does she have passwords? Is she on your bank accounts? Is she on any credit cards? Is she, because I had strangely run into a few people, a few weeks leading up to this, whose parent had been conned. Like one of the girls I randomly met,

her dad's girlfriend burned all their family photos when they broke up. So my mind is going there to like, oh my god, am I dad to she have a key? He am I dad? Does she have a key? He's like, of course she has a key. You know, and so we get to the house. My dad's doing better. He's still out of it. He said, I he was like, I blacked out, but her purse is still in the car. Locked right at this point. No, no, she got her purse before she left, but we did have the guys go through her purse first. Yeah.

And so she had her purse and it was not in there. I think I know gun was in there. No gun. Okay. So what happens that night? So we have the bodyguard come back to the house, clear the house, because we're like, I got to make sure she's not here hiding the bushes or something. And we take everything valuable, put it in my dad's safe, take some of it with us. And we all go spend the night at my in-laws house.

And we're all just like recovering and going for your dad. Including your dad. Including my dad. And he is so shaken up, bless him. And so we're just kind of like talking about everything, trying to decompress, and then we all go to bed. And then the next morning, the guys wake up really early,

go get ringed cameras, install those. All the while, my sister and I start packing up her things. Now, my dad had talked to her son-in-law, which this is an interesting part, like he was like decently close to the son-in-law. Why they didn't warn my dad or say anything, like that's the part that she has a daughter. She has a daughter.

Yes. I feel like it's an on and off relationship from what I understand. But yeah, my dad was like decent and close with the son of a and so he they were communicating. He was like the messenger. He was like she wants her stuff and my dad's like gladly, but no one's coming in the house. We'll have it outside on the curb at this time, whatever. So my sister and I are bagging up her things, think that we're done packing things up. And he goes, well, no, there's still all her research in the guest room.

I'm like, research, she in school, like, what do you mean? He said, well, what she likes to do with her spare time is she researches these various subjects all sorts of things. It's like her thing and I'm like, okay, Heather, there's no way to adequately describe this. You walk in the guest room and the entire floor is covered, dressers, chairs, there's these tote bags everywhere, like those grocery tote bags. Yeah. And you're like, what the hell is this? Open one up. There's all these three ring binders about this thick subjects varying from, oh God, we saw like world wars to build the quality, theology to Judaism, to presidents, to all these different things and And you open it up and it's all handwritten number one. And number two, it's, she's writing like in third person.

On this day, Kathy discovered the truth of the world. And then you can't track what she's saying beyond that. I have a video of discovering the binders. And it's like, just shows. Yeah, I saw that. On the room. Yeah. Crazy.

That makes me think of very like a beautiful mind psychot, like I said. Like she's definitely unwell. Yes. And it has, you know, a schizophrenic or a psychotic break or something, and that, you know, or was going through an episode and got out of the episode, but you know,

would write, we'd come up them a light and write for 20 hours or something. So we find those and we're like, dad, he goes, oh, there's more of my storage. And I'm like, oh my God, I mean, a truck load full. And did she bring those to his house? Or she has a comp, oh, so she brings those everywhere. She goes and adds to it.

I think she just adds to them, yeah, because if you think about it, they had been together for six months and he said she did that every day. Every day, that's what she didn't work. That's what she did was research. I never really asked where this research is going. I mean, yeah, no, we boxed it all up. I should have taken a photo of the inside of it, but I didn't. Okay, so you put all the stuff out on the curve.

Yeah, he comes to get it the sun and law. Yeah, and at this point, I'm kind of starting to worry about like my safety because I'm like, okay, I was the ringleader for sure. Right, right. But she stays away. She stays away. Dad doesn't hear anything for a couple of months. Now is there anything with your dad and that, you know, he's like, wow, I can't believe I trusted this woman or I really miss her or what what was definitely, I mean, he was, I think he felt more embarrassed than anything. You know, how could I be so, he, in his words, how could I be so stupid? And I said to him what I just said to you earlier, just like, dad, you were in a vulnerable place. Like, this is not on you. This is on her. I think we have some key learnings here, though. You know, you see the ex-bred flags. The thing with dirty

johns and now dirty janes. It's like people are always so hard on themselves. And especially when they're not 18, you know, they're, but at the same time, it's like, why, why should you be mad at yourself that you met someone that thought you were fabulous? Yeah, exactly. Like that's what it should be. You felt like you loved. Yeah, like they loved everything.

You had so much fun. It was so easy. They ate what you ate. They wanted to go fast fishing. Like, why should you be suspicious of that? Exactly. and that's what's sad about it. That's so true. I really such a good point. And yeah,

yeah, so that's where his headspace was. He was devastated, brokenhearted. But then a few months goes by and he finally hears from her via a 10 page letter, handwritten, of course, okay, on head standbred. Um, and he said he stopped reading at page four. It basically was her trying to talk her way out of everything.

And he didn't hear, he hasn't heard from her sense. He tells me. But he did just recently get a Facebook message from one of her ex-husbands. And the opening part, the line was, hey, Greg, glad to see you survive the black widow. That's what he referred to her as. And since you have shared this story on your social media platform, have you heard anything from her or anybody else? No, I have not. And have you bothered, do you even care to try to find

out where she is or where she was? Oh, I've definitely tried to keep tabs. I don't think she is operating by the name that she was when she was with my dad. Because we still have a couple of friends that are friends with her on Facebook. And she has been inactive on that exact Facebook since the week that this all went down. So I think, of course, something is, so it appears.

Oh, something that I didn't mention that was interesting. And again, this is this part definitely just my opinion on things, but after the intervention takes place, we all kind of like powwow the next morning and kind of talk about everything. I mean, because there was a definite moment where you're like, she is coming in glued, especially when I would kind of say like, I see you, I see what you're doing. I mean, yeah, manic almost. And Sally said, you know what was interesting, Courtney? She said to you a lot, you're going to give your dad a heart attack. She said, for a few months, when we've been alone having our girl time, she has said to me she was afraid that your dad was going to have another heart attack. So when my dad gets gets back from installing the ring lights, I asked him,

have you had any heart stuff like clearly the night of all that stress, like that caused it, he goes, no, I've been fine. So I mean, again, my opinion, but I just, I wonder if something more serious was going to happen. Like her messing with his medication or finding a medication or something. She was pushing me to get my medication.

Right, well once you got married, then she'd have everything. Because like a dirty job, like she's going from one person to the next, one scam to the next. And she's just a psychotic liar. She's just, you know. And the fact that she's been called her a black widow is like, oh my god. So now, I'm guessing that you must have heard

once you shared this story from women in the area that he lives that is like, I'd love to date your dad. Girl, daughters were sending me their mother's resume. It's okay, especially when I showed a photo. When I showed a photo of my dad, my dad's a really good looking guy for 66. Oh my, yeah, 66. Yeah. He looks great. Everyone great everyone's like oh my people saying he's a dill some girl wise we're like less than I know that would be weird I'm like absolutely not he is now dating

and happy and has a great girlfriend I've done a background check um she's yeah out of criminal so we're good there but um I I honestly this story. I know it's entertaining and it's like crazy and all these things, but like, I just kept running into all these people who had similar stories because I sat for a year for a full 12 months before I shared it. I shared it the week of the anniversary of all this going down on TikTok first. And obviously, this is a great story. Is there anything that you I feel

like right from the start you were on it? But looking back is there anything that you wish that you would have done differently? Because I really know that you could have to be honest. Yeah, I really kind of played it right. Yeah, I don't think I could have. I've had a lot of people say, oh, if that were my dad, I would have been on a plane or the next second. And I'm like, yeah, but you also have to understand kind of my relationship with my dad was also so strained. It's not like you can just waltz into somebody's house

who has brainwashed and say, hey, by the way, she's crazy. They're not gonna believe you without the actual evidence. That's why I knew I had to wait. So I don't, and I, I don't, I don't I think even when you meet somebody whether you're dating them or it's your friend's or when you meet somebody new, even when I have like that gut feeling, there's still a natural part of me that's like, no, I know they seem cheesy or weird or douchey, but no, they're actually like a really nice guy, but you kind of know, but you always

knew that they've their job really didn't make sense or whatever, but you're being social. And you're like, I don't want to be the, you know, I want to be that person that's like nice at the party. So I'm just going to roll, even though I know that this person is off. And so I think in your situation, that was that same thing. Like, I don't have a good feeling, but I'm gonna hope for the best because I don't have anything. Yeah, I don't have the mug shot DM. I don't have the stay away from black widow. You just kinda had a vibe.

But no, I think your story is really great because so many of us, so many people are in that position to have active senior parents that are either widowed or dating who are meeting new people and just like, and the elderly are an easier target. You know, that's why Jen Shaw went for them. They really are because they grew up in an era where you believe what people say. True. Not an internet sleuth. You know, you, I mean, I just had someone send me something posted or someone posted it who said my dad

said he's that he's dating this girl and it was a screen grab of his conversation with the girl setting a photo of herself. And the photo was Brunette Lady Gaga from Star Wars Board. Oh my God. But he doesn't know that, because he didn't go to the forever Star Wars Board movie. I mean, it's us.

So, right, so I think, I mean, I think this is really important. I almost feel like if you're providing nothing is happened, maybe play this with your parents when you're visiting them or tell them the story or kind of like educate them on this or just say, hey, let us be a guide. We're not gonna have to not to fall in love with us.

Let us be a guide because this just happens so much and it happens all the time. Yeah. And that's been really wild just to see the response of people then feeling like they can share their stories with me and they are heartbreaking. Most of them, oh, they don't have happy endings. In fact, someone ends up, you know, not alive anymore, or their entire life savings gone, retirement gone, just these stories have their entire life. Savings gone, retirement gone,

just these stories have been so heartbreaking. And so that's why I decided to share it to my Instagram. Yeah. After I did TikToks, I guess I just with TikTok, I felt less vulnerable. Yeah. Because I was doing on there and Instagram was a whole different thing.

But yeah, I just wanted to raise awareness. This type of thing happens every single day, unfortunately. And it's like to your point, we've just got to look after our parents who are maybe new to the dating world, having dates since they were in their 20s, when the internet was even around. So it's like a different game.

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