Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - I Found the Earring Website! Will Smith Accusations and RHONY Star Sai DeSilva

Episode Date: November 16, 2023

I found evidence that the whole earring thing was a con. It should clear up any doubt you may have had...and is quite juicy! But not as juicy as the wild encounter alleged by Will Smith’s former personal assistant between Will and Duane Martin. Then, I’m joined by the star of RHONY Sai DeSilva! Definitely not the person you saw on your TV...in all the best ways! We get into the rumors swirling around social media about how she met her husband. Why did Jenna Lyons not attend BravoCon? Sai shares how being on the show has changed her life, and how she plans to navigate next season. Enjoy! Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://patreon.com/juicyscoop Follow Me on Social Media Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Check out Sai’s Podcast “Harder Than We Thought” https://www.instagram.com/harderthanwethought Follow Sai Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/scoutthecity Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@saidesilva YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/Scoutthecity To listen to the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPodYouTube Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be amazing! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod Treat yourself to the best bras on the market and save 20% at https://honeylove.com/juicy Go to https://theouai.com and enter promo code JUICY for 15% off! Request a Cologuard prescription today at https://cologuard.com/juicyscoop Use code HOLIDAY10 for 10% off your first purchase at https://etsy.com Sign up for your trial today at https://noom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hannah McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. I have a great show for you today. Some hot topics, a great interview with Si, one of the newest real half-fares of New York. And she dispels some really juicy rumors about herself, which I find quite interesting.

But right now, I need to share with you the latest information I have got about my own life that I know that you want to hear. So there is new information that has come to me about the earrings. To catch you up to date, just remind you, last Thursday on my regular juicy scoop show. I went through the saga of these earrings that were lent to me by my very good friend at the time, Crystal Alamos, on January 23rd of 2023. I never returned them. She'd never asked for them. And then I went to St. Bart's and I wore them. and I did a real dancing in the sand and one fell, which was witnessed by a million people, including her in which she wrote a little

happy emoji face, my earring, ha ha. In September 7th, September 7th, it was made for my attention for the first time on Jeff Lewis's serious radio show that they were in fact worth $10,000 And I'm therefore responsible for them. I stole them a thief. I'm a felon. I should go to prison I Immediately wrote her and said how much are they worth and I went to my jewelry box and dug through it and found the remaining earring After this information got out I I shared the earring,

I shared the video, I shared me on the red carpet from the first night at Barrettom to the day that I lost them. A juicy scoop or contacted me Thursday morning around 9 a.m. I read comments and DMs. And she said, hey Heather, I'm watching your episode about the earring on YouTube. And I'm pretty sure I ordered those exact same earrings, ha ha, from this website.

And I clicked on the website, I clicked on the link, sorry, I clicked on the link to the actual earring for purchase. And I was absolutely shocked. They looked to be the same earring. Of course, I wasn't going to take that as 100% I ordered them, which is why it took a few days for them to come to me. They just came yesterday. And I'm going to show you the earrings now. This is the earring from the day that I was told they were worth $10,000 and Peter Peter wrote the check to Crystal Lama's

for $3,000 in which she cashed it upon receiving it. Here is the earring. Here are, we've ordered three pairs from the website. Here's one, here it is in the plastic, and here it is outside, okay. So you can see all three pairs are exactly the same. They're beautiful earrings. They are cubic, soconia, I believe, and here they are. Now you're probably wondering

Heather, how much do those earrings cost? They look beautiful. I agree. They look great. Hence why I believed when I was told they were of great value afterwards. I was like, wow, it's weird that you never told me that before. It's weird that you never asked me. It's weird that you lent me expensive earrings. But being dragged for months, you know, in the minute I heard it, I was like, here's the money. Please stop, you know, trashing my reputation, which didn't stop. It went on for two more months about these earrings on Jeff Lewis's series radio show. So this, you're probably wondering what is the cost?

The cost is guess, the get in your head, making a little fun. $42 a pair. That's a great deal. $42 a pair. That's a great deal. $42 a pair. And the website is Revolve. Probably heard of Revolve. It's a great website.

A lot of influencers. Love it and use it and promote it. And I remember she was a fan of it too. I remember going to a holiday party with her where we both were a long white dress. I got mine at Neemons and she said, I ordered it from Revol dress. I got mine at Neumanns and she said I ordered it from Revolve. I love their stuff. Now I have juicy scoopers all over and this wasn't the only juicy

scooper that contacted me after Thursday's episode, the public episode. And I got confirmation from the sources as close as you could possibly get to the situation that have confirmed that she purchased this exact pair of earrings from Revolve in the fall of 2022. So she had them in her possession in the fall of 2022 and then when I said, I, oh no, I forgot earrings. She happily handed them to me before the apple shrinking premiere. Okay. So she knew where she got them from. They were never from a La Jolla real jewelry store that conveniently went out of business when she bought $25,000 of real jewelry and therefore can't produce a receipt or a credit card statement conveniently.

No, she knew. She knew in the fall when she bought them. She knew in January 23rd when she bought them. She knew when she laughed on my real saying, oh my gosh, my earring. She always knew they were from revolve. Now maybe they are, maybe she paid 60 right now. They're on sale for 42. I suggest you get them. They're lovely. Now I want to show you when they came in, here is the earring. And the first thing I did

was look at the clasp. You can see the clasp, you can see the comparison. And when I put it on top of it, it is exactly the same circumference. Because there's so much evidence of me wearing the earrings from those dates, I am going to show you here is the earring that Christa lent me, the remaining one. You can see where it hits my jaw. And here is the one that I just purchased the three pairs from for $42 from Revolve. Now, my question through all of this is why? Why? This woman I met through Jeff Lewis, and we were very close when she called me crying.

I was in Park City, Utah with my family. And she said, I can't believe what's going on with Jeff. I said, what's going on? She said, he was saying all these awful things about me on the radio. And I sent him a letter saying to please stop talking about me on the radio. It was a cease and desist. He read that letter on the radio. And then he said, I'm done with Crystal Lommas. You can be friends with her Heather, but I'm done. And I said, well, I am going to remain friends with her because you're her whole social life and everybody around you because he insists that anybody now he does says you can't be friends with anybody. I'm not friends with its disloyal.

So those people, whether he said it or not, chose to not associate with Christa at that time. I did. I enjoyed her personality. I did many things with she and her daughter and I thought she was a true friend. So I still don't know why, why on and how long she was telling people that these earrings were worth 10,000. I know it was said for the first time, the Monday after the Tuesday after Labor Day that there were $10,000, but I don't know how many conversations were set about my behind

my back or what other awful lies have been set about me that were not aired on serious radio that permanently damaged my reputation with listeners, but more importantly with two friends that I don't know where I stand with those people. So I don't really know, I still know why. I don't know why she is a liar. I don't know why she chose to go with this lie and cash the check. I did think it was weird.

What was $10,000 from Jeff Lewis and then it was three from her. Not until I went on October 23rd, did I realize that they were not real and not until these earrings came in the mail, did I realize that they were not real? And not until these earrings came in the mail, did I realize how deep the deception went, how much she was absolutely aware that she was deceiving myself,

as well as those people that she told that these earrings were worth thousands of dollars. She was married to a man that has passed. His name is Michael Lomis. He was facing a 50-count indictment. So I don't know why she's going down this same path. She doesn't have to. I think that she should get away from this type of deception and cons that I've been a victim of. I would have never thought I would be a victim of this. I would have never thought that someone that I brought into my home on my boat and you know, went on vacation with, with, would ever set out to hurt me this much with these lies. And I don't know how deep the damage has even gone with

relationships. So I want to make an open apology to the friends that I have lost in the last couple of months that are an association with Crystal Amos that have heard this lie along with who knows how many others who are no longer in my life. I want to apologize. I'm very sad about the loss of friendships and business relationships I have because of this, but I want you guys to know what I know, which is the truth. And I think anyone in my position, given this information and what I've been through, would certainly defend themselves as I'm doing now, once the evidence has been proven, which it has. So moving on, it's going to be 2024 soon. I am happy to close this chapter and move on. It was a horrible time in my life and career, personally and professionally, and but I do want you guys

since you've been with me along this this pattern, this journey to know the truth and how deep the deception went and how much damage it had caused. And go to Revolve, get these earrings, they're $42, they do look great, they're great pair of earrings and it's a great website. Thank you. Audible, let's you enjoy all of your audio entertainment all in one app. Titles in every kind in all categories. You know I love murder like date line. I love listening to that podcast. Of course, juicy scoop you can listen to on audible. I also love listening to celebrity memoirs like Britney Spears' memoir. It's great on audible Michelle Williams is the one who is reading it.

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that she did with this man who is the former personal assistant for many years to Will Smith. And he is telling everything on this episode, but the clip that I'm seeing that's going viral that I watched is really quite shocking. In it, he is telling Tasha K. He's saying, when I was working for Will Smith, we were on a movie set, and you know, you're always,

they're like, where is the talent? And it was kind of his job to kind of wrangle the talent and he also worked for Duane Martin who was also I believe on this movie set and he couldn't find Will and he was looking for Duane or something but according to him allegedly he said he walked into the trailer on set to witness Dewey Martin had this very graphic Will Smith over a couch and was having anal sex with him. So wow, and the way he says it is shocking. And I mean, then he goes on to another part of the interview that's saying talking about his relationship with Jada,

where he's like, well, if you're used to having a baby arm for a penis that you get with with a guy, then when you've got something much smaller, a pinky or something, meaning will, then maybe that was the issue. I mean, he is just going off and saying, really shocking and unflattering things about Will Smith. So this is out there.

He's saying it and they have responded. Jada Pinkett was stopped coming out of a I heart and she said, we are suing and will I think his people are denying it? Dwayne Martin is not responding and I mean there is no video of it of this happening, this relationship going this way. However, there have been rumors for many years about the relationship between these two actors for many years. He was married to T. Shacambl for a long time, I believe they got divorced in 2020. They have a couple kids and now people are going to her Instagram page and writing comments under her latest post. I mean, I don't know what's going to happen, but people can say lies as you know

and then people talk about it. So that's pretty interesting. Meanwhile, in the Real Housewives world, Kyle did an interview with the her producer, where she said, and she said, the sun watch what happens live too. This is Kyle Richards of Real House, says Beverly Hills.

She's like, most hurtful thing is that people think that Mauricio and my separation is done for storyline and for ratings and to get people interested in the show. And I would never put my children through a fake separation. I believe that. I don't think it's a fake separation. I think it's a real separation, like I said, on the show and there. But because their job is to expose their life, they really can't live a marriage that where they can step out for a while, whether it's sabbatical or whether it's a little open. They don't have that luxury because their life is so public on reality shows. And if they do want to pursue other romances at this time, why they're separated or possibly

going through a divorce, they can't hide it. So I think they're doing the right thing by sharing it, but I do think it's real. He was seen holding hands with his dancing partner, but now he's was seen in Austin at their Soho House with a mystery blonde and they seem flirty. Doesn't mean that she wasn't a friend. I'm sure he's got an agency in Austin. Doesn't mean it's done with dancing with stars. Doesn't mean the dancing with stars will ever happen.

But I did think that was interesting and the comments under Kyle's interview were interesting where someone's like, yeah, you won't do this for storyline, but you've had this issue with your sister. You've had Brandy Glanville come over and say these things about her sexual relationship with Denise Richards at your house. We feel that was a setup.

We felt you set up Lisa Vanderpub. Are they bringing up all these things? You threw Camille under the bus. All the things she's done in like the 13 years of being on the show, which those are all great points. But that was also what was going on in her life. So I believe this separation and this openness for them to date other people is real. And like I said previously, I still think they might get back together, but I thought that

was juicy. And of course that show is airing now and it's doing amazing. All right, you guys. Now for my really juicy interview, I loved meeting Si, she's one of the new real house list of New York, we get into everything. And even if you don't watch these shows, I find this interview really interesting about her life,

rumors on the internet, suddenly becoming a public person, and I find that part always the most fascinating when I interview a real housewife for the first time. And of course, remember to go to HeatherMcDolle.net where every Friday you'll get a Patreon episode about my most intimate thoughts, what's going on, my thoughts about the different shows, that'll drop on Friday.

As always, I hope you're part of that community. And that's at HeatherMcDolle.net along with all of my merch. So enjoy. I've got one of the new real housewives of New York. Say, disilva, welcome to juicy scope girl. Hi, I'm so excited to get juicy with you. I'm so excited to get to know the real you and get some, get some fresh perspective and maybe some perspectives that were not correct. Correct. I have a love that. First of all, you were just saying, you know, that you were,

you stayed at your friend's house in North Hollywood and she's been an old good friend. Yeah. And I kind of love that because I wonder, how is it like a real best friend that you talked to on the phone all the time? What was their reaction when you were like, I'm being approached by the real house by the,

and how did the approaching come? Tell us all about that. Yeah. So they slid in my DMs, like a casting director slid in my DMs. And you're just going through and you saw what? And I saw like, hey, we're casting for Real Housewives of New York. To be honest, it was, I think I was the first one to be approached for this reboot because they approached me for the old cast.

A couple years ago. Yes. Like when they were looking and they added Ebony and Leah. I think it was right. Yeah, yeah. It was when they added Ebony. And did you get to the point of they at least like interviewed you or no? So I think they just asked me if I was interested and I was like, you know,

they asked me if I would hang out with the cast and I said, listen, you know, we're not the same, you know, we don't hang out in the same places. It probably wouldn't work out. Oh, you said that, yeah. But because we're thinking of like Lou Ann, Durinda, Sonia, the cast that has been there for so long, I just didn't think that I would mesh well with them.

Which totally makes sense because, you know, there's like a third, how old are you? I'm 43 this month. Oh, you look very young. Thank you. Oh, my God, thank you. But I still think even like a 20 year, 10, 20 year age difference is not, you could still be friends,

but you wouldn't organically be friends if you were watching a show because your kids wouldn't be the same age, you wouldn't be hanging out. And I think when they started real house for us in New York, the original, these women really did know each other. They really't be the same age, you wouldn't be hanging out. And I think when they started real house with New York, the original, these women really did know each other. They really were all the same age. They really had a little bit of history.

And I think that's good that they just did a whole reboot. Really? Yeah, it was completely different. And then I didn't hear from them fast forward. I think Variety did an article. And it said that they're going to completely reboot. And then I heard from them again and they're like, okay, listen, I said, now I'm intrigued. Okay.

It was like, you know, a complete reboot of people in New York City, it's going to be diverse, it's going to represent what New York City really is. Started talking about some of the people that, you know, if I knew them, if I didn't, you wouldn't do that. I knew them, if I didn't, and who would do our circle. To be honest, I knew no one. Okay. Not one person. So they probably found you because you are a social influencer and we were saying you did a lot with your kids who are 12 and 6 on your page, a lot of fashion. And so now we will fan of the real of any of the real housewives, we're your Bravo person that watched. I'm not a crazy, crazy Bravo person,

but I definitely watch it. I watch Atlanta, I watch Beverly Hills. I'm recently into Salt Lake City. I watched last season, but this season is crazy. Like crazy, big fan and F Salt Lake City, Empatomic. Yeah, well then pretty much all, so you know, the only ones you really didn't watch was OC.

I'm not, which is gone. Yeah, I never watched Dallas. I watched OC only a few seasons. Okay, but you're pretty much up on it. I am, I am. And did you ever think watching it? I could see myself doing that. Absolutely not.

Oh, really? I never, ever once watched these shows and thought, yeah, I could totally do this. So when they came to you, did you tell your husband around away or did you not tell him until it seemed like you were about to get it? Well, at first I was like,

it might be even punked. Yeah. And this is a scam or something. I didn't tell him until I interviewed for it. Okay. And then after, after I interviewed and they came back around and we're like, okay, we want to interview your husband. And I after, after I interviewed and they came back around and we're like,

okay, we want to interview your husband. And I was so on the fence about that because my husband's not on my social media. And I just really was like, ugh, if I did this, he would have to be on it. It would be my entire family dynamic. Am I okay with this? Is he okay with this? And I told him and he was like, this is the dumbest idea. Like, are you joking? He's like, absolutely not. And I was like, you look, it's a reboot. It's gonna be completely different. It's gonna be diverse. And he goes, you know what,

if you really feel like this is something you want to do, then I'll support it. And so that's how our conversation went. And how did you meet your husband? I met him in Costa Rica at a swim up bar. Oh, okay. Which is like there's a YouTube video about it. Okay, so I'm hearing like, okay, I heard or read or getting bits of his, I thought he owned a bar and you worked at it. I've heard that too. Okay, so I'm

not funny. That's great. But it's a swim up bar turned into, that's why all these, this is a telephone. Yeah, telephone, yeah, yeah. So apparently I heard that I met my husband and he was my boss and he owned a bar. Yes. But when I met my husband, he lived in Canada. My husband actually did not move to New York City until my son was born, our son was born,

which was our second child. So my first daughter was born 2011. I was, 2011. I lived in Canada for about a year and a half then. So you met him at a swimmer bar? Yeah, we dated for two years. I mean, he was divorced. Six years divorced.

Don't, okay, so when you see the rumor, I don't care to answer these kinds of rumors because I'm like, the investigation is so bad that I rumors because I'm like the investigation is so bad that I just, I'm like, go for it. I mean, this is so off what the rumor is that was going around that I read online. I don't know how it got started. It's but who made it up for one and for two?

It was like, I asked Si about how she worked at, and I was like, when was he a restaurant tour? Like, I was like, when did he own a bar? What happened? He have owned a bar here when he didn't have citizenship in New York City, he's Canadian. You know, I wonder, okay, I wonder if... It does it, the math is not the math thing.

It's like, boy math that does not make sense. This is actually the first time I addressed it, because I refused to address it, because I thought it was so ridiculous. Like, just if you're going to research all the papers, research the divorce, research everything. Do your math. Wow. It's all false, it's all made up. Listen, I'm honest, I'm very transparent at the end of the day.

It was the biggest snowball that I've ever seen. And I just, I actually was quite sorry. So you've been together how many years? We've been together for 14 years. And I just, I actually was quite fun. So you've been together how many years? We've been together for 14 years. And you got married how long ago? We got married six years ago, my son was born. Oh, so you had your daughter,

and then you guys got married? Yeah, I actually had my daughter and my son. We got married when my son was three months. Oh, okay, great. Yeah. Okay, that's so, and your husband had a business in which he sold it. Yes.

So he does, does he do any other things? Yeah, he takes care of our kids. Okay, so he, that served him with a life to not have to really pursue anything else if he didn't want to. No, he really, yeah. He's just really happy to be with the kids. Okay, that, wow.

Well, this is like, I mean, I'm really glad I cleared that up. Thanks for the question. Yeah, this is like, well, I mean, I'm really glad I cleared out here for the question. Yeah, because I'm just like, you know, and, you know, of course, we know as experienced viewers of it that this is small tidbits of hours and hours and hours of things that you film. And a lot of people like, they didn't see me with my kids. You didn't see me do my charity work. You didn't see, right. You, you only highlighted this one time that my husband rolled his eyes at me

or whatever, like throughout the history of the housewives. So, I mean, I do think that is interesting. Now, with this particular season, is that it was a little confusing to the viewer of your lives. And I think that's what was confusion. Like, I was like, wait, who's married to whom? And how did they meet? And like, like, if you watch the original

Real House of New York for like the first three episodes, they almost didn't even interact. We'd see Jill in her home with Bobby and her daughter, and then we really can't understand, oh, this is the countess. And I think it's because you guys, and it's not a secret, but you had another cast member who then left the show.

Right. And so I wonder if that is why there had to be some editing adjusting and why there was a little bit of confusion About people's lives. No, she left the show early on. So I don't think that that was anything to do with it I think what I think what happened with even if there was some sort of confusion for viewers is that We're the first season. It's season 14, but it's season one for us. Right, exactly. So we had really big shoes to fill. You needed to know everything about us from the gate.

We can't be laggy. There wasn't any time to lag. Season one, Roni, could lag all it wants. But we were very much like, we need to pop off straight out of the gate. This is us. This is who we are. Watch us get to know each other, this is our dynamic. It wasn't, we didn't have time to really just like,

kind of cruise it. So I think they were just kind of being like, look, here are six dynamic girls. These are their lives, get to know us, ready, set, go. Got it. And then it starts off up. And, you know, I love to the fashion. I love seeing your place. I love seeing, I love New York as a backdrop, I love Sex and the City.

Like, you know, there's some housewives of cities that are not real fun as fun as to look at architectural wise, you know. And so you're really just focusing on the girls, but it's nice when you get both. And I think Beverly Hills and New York have that. Right. I mean, it's like a seventh character or whatever. And this photo that we have of you guys, you were saying that you really went on this rooftop and took this photo, which I love.

It's funny because you look at it and it almost kind of looks fake. I mean, there are some additives like these birds in the background. Yeah. But for the most part, no, we really were on this roof. We were on this little wooden box, the steps were there. Everything about this, this is everyone's placement is real. This is a real photo. It's just a little enhanced with the colors and the birds and everything other than that. Yeah, this was exactly us. Now, you all really kill it in the fashion. All of you have great fashion.

And did all of you, or have a stylist as going into this, you know, when you watch the old things, the girls from the OC with their sky tops, and people didn't know what they were getting into because it was 16 years ago. Right. And now it's like, hey, look, I know, and I know I could probably get a,

you're stylish. I could get the help, but I also want to make sure like before we start filming that I have some good outfits together. Like, how was it getting dressed for every time you're filming and thinking about it? I think that'd be hard. It was a lot. It was very intense. I mean, I usually dress myself because of what I've been doing for so long. But I actually did end up hiring at stylist because I was still working as an influencer for a time.

So for me, to have to call my clients, do polls, borrow clothes, do all the things, it got very overwhelming for me. So I said, you know what, if I can allocate some money for just the Stylist and that's all they do, I don't have to think about that aspect of it. So for me, it made sense.

And I also create content for a living. That I kill two birds with one stone by also creating content with the clothes that he gets me. So that made sense. Not everyone had a stylist. No. They all kind of just dress themselves. Not everyone. I think maybe two or three people had a stylist for certain events. Yes. But otherwise people just dress themselves. Well, I think they all did a great job. Yeah, I think I really like fashionable cast. They're very fashionable. We have our own personalities, everyone's super different. You can, it shows by what we wear. Right.

So we get, we start to get to like, know you guys. And now, the first argument, whatever is, bravo con last year, then now it's your show. And then you're free to go off for an evening. And Aaron goes, I have a table at whatever. Can we say it now? Yeah, catch. Okay, they says catch.

And now were you really just not feeling the restaurant or did you just already have a reservation, someone else better and you just already have a reservation somewhere else better and you just felt like going there? What happened of going to Cipriani's over catch? No, actually it was a group chat. So it was a group chat. It was like, I'm going to catch. And then I think brand hit me and was like,

I don't want to go there. So I don't really want to go either, but I'll go for a drink. And then I said, okay, do you want to go to C but I'll go for a drink. And then I said, okay, do you want to go to Costa Trapriani to go and eat? And she's like, okay, yeah, so we'll break off. Because Aaron ended up getting a reservation for 10, which we all know getting a reservation last minute

is extremely hard, which is why she ended up going to catch. So that evening, I thought that I was, I told Aaron, I sent her a message. I said, hey, by the way, I'm not going to stay for dinner. I'll stay for drinks. And at the end by the way, I'm not going to stay for dinner. I'll stay for drinks. And at the end of the night, actually no one even said that they weren't going to catch.

Everyone actually just left me. I was the last person to leave. So Aaron was there. Everyone was there. They all left out and I was the last person. They all left to the end. They're all deaders. No one ever told me, hey, we're not going to catch any more for a drink or anything. Everyone just laughed.

Oh, you mean everyone never showed up to catch. Only you showed up to catch. No, no, no, no. Sorry about that. We left BravoCon. Okay. So as we were leaving BravoCon, everyone was saying bye and leaving. Oh.

But no one ever said, hey, our plans are canceled. Oh. But still, I had every intention of going to dinner later on that night with Bryn, but I was going to go to catch to have a drink. So catch never happened. Not for me. I think it happened for Aaron and maybe Jussle. Oh, but I never saw the post.

Yeah, and then they saw that we were at it, Rihanna. And then you start filming and it gets brought up. Yeah. Okay, got it. And then the cheese platter was that she she said, you said, are you having dinner and she goes, no, I'm just having a cheese platter? Now, that whole thing was misconsured. Okay, what was that?

That whole thing was ridiculous. So we decided to get together. Me, Jessel, Uba, Aaron, Aaron decided to do a little something at her house. She was like, we're gonna do drinks. And I called her. It was in the evening. It was around eight o'clock. And I called her. And I was like, so should we order food? What are we doing for dinner? And she was like, no, I'm just gonna have drinks.

I said, cool. So I made sure to eat beforehand. Came over, brought her a bottle of champagne. She had a cheese plate. Love the cheese. I was like, oh, oh, my God, I love this. She was like, I think it was like drunken goat or something. And she goes, oh, my God, me too. I meet you at that from farmers market. Cool. Have the best time ever. We all had a great time. We drank except for Uber because she doesn't drink. And was this film or not? This was not filled. This was just us hanging out having a good time. And then next you know, I meet Brynn and Brynn was like, oh, funny. Erin said that you went

to her house and said, is this all we're having is this cheese thing? And I'm like, but I never, I never, I never said that. So it insinuated that I was being rude, but it never happened. Erin and I ended up talking about it and it, it, we squashed to be fair. You were mad at the reunion. I was so upset about it because I'm like,

you're, it's the stupidest argument. It's ridiculous, but at the reunion, I was like, can you just please admit that I never said it? And did she? Yeah, she did. Well, I am someone that gets very hungry as well. Great. And like, if I'm excited, like tonight,

I'm going to like a wine pairing thing. And so I like playing for it. Like I had a small Trader Joe's salad at 12. And that's it. Like I'm showing up at that thing at 530, freaking hungry. I like to be hungry. I don't understand.

I mean, people that are no longer hungry because they're on ozampic. I think you're, I think it's kind of sad. You're missing out. You're missing out. Like, food is such, it's, it rings so much joy. I know. It's like it's so much joy. It's like you did not bother me that you would ask about food.

And we cut, like one thing I do is, and I've said it and my friends know. And I try to be more sensitive that people that don't enjoy this. But I believe I am one of the world's best orders. Okay. I think it's an art. I think it could be a's best orders. Okay. I think it's an art. I think it could be a great competition show. Okay. Where you go to a restaurant and now my friends know, just let Heather do it.

You know, and I'm very conscious of this person doesn't eat meat. This one's a vegetarian and I look at the menu and I go, I decide how many apps of a variety of them, how many different meals, a fish, a chicken, who wants the brands, you know, and love this. The goal and the goal is everyone's satisfied and there's no leftovers. We didn't over order. This is like ideal. This is like ideal.

And I, and most people love to just buy sister stuff, but once in a while I'll know that someone's like, no, I want my own salmon. And I'm like, okay, that's fine. So I do ask now if I can have it. I'd like, and it is my selfish way of being able to try everything on the menu. No, I freaking, I love it. I just want someone to do that for me.

Usually when I go out with my husband, he's like, just order for me. And sometimes I'm like, please, just order for me. But I mean, I'm not doing all that. But I don't do it as well as you do. That's amazing. First of all, I'm salivating and I'm like, I just had a sandwich.

But there are people too that do need to eat like every few hours. That is me. Is there a thing and it like, like I was with my son this weekend and it's like a completely different. I mean, he's six four. I'm like, you're being such a dick. We need to get food now and my sister was with me and I'm like, you're being such a dick, we need to get food now. And my sister was with me. And I'm like, if I don't get Drake, it's such a horror or something. And then it's like completely a delight.

But it's like your blood sugar dips, your personality is gone. Like you're just like a totally angry bitch. Like it's just, it's totally changed when you're not, when you're hungry and you're not eating. So, sorry, it was my thing. And again, I apologize for all the things that I said when I was angry. That is as fun. Now, the other thing is we get to know everyone's childhood, which everyone had a pretty interesting childhood.

And I think that is important to get to know the people. But I did feel it was portrayed in a way that it was a little bit of a competition of like who had the shittier satire childhood. And it felt like that a little bit. And so there was that. But then I also want to say this other thing that I noticed about shows and I'm conscious

too of this. And I think it's from watching Housewives and stuff is the don't make it about yourself. Right. Instead, and there's two ways to look at it. If you say, like I remember old real housewives, Brandy Glanville on Beverly Hills. There was a girl with beautiful hair. What was her name? Don?

What was her name? She was Columpt. No, she was Puerto Rican. She long, gorgeous hair. Joyce. Joyce. Yes, I remember her. So she was the was Puerto Rican. She'd long gorgeous hair. Joyce. Joyce. Yeah, I remember her. So she was the first Puerto Rican, yes. And Brandy didn't really love her.

But anyway, Brandy had a horrible night where she was away from her kids filming and they found out like the little dog had died or something. Oh, gosh. And so she's crying, crying. And Joyce is being very nice. And she was like, oh my gosh, I know, I know how you feel. We lost a we lost a dog last year and she was just going,

Joyce, it's not about you. And I don't know, watching that mean like, I don't know, like it's a really hard thing to do. You can try to connect. And so you had shared about your childhood and that your mom suffered from alcoholism. Yeah. And at one point, Jussle says, my uncle also was an alcoholic. And I get it, it's not the same as a mom. But a lot of people had stuff to say about your reaction of being like,

I don't care, you're like, real bitchy. Like, I don't care. You know, actually, I don't really care. I said, I didn't say I didn't care about her uncle. Right. I think that this is like what's going on. Yes. She brought me to lunch to ask me if we're good.

Right. And I was like, it's not I didn't care about her. I didn't care about, we didn't need to go to lunch at this moment. Okay. It could have just called me or like, but do you also go into lunch because you have a good scene then? I didn't really want to go to the lunch. Okay, because you weren't feeling the vibe at the time.

I was working, I was already stressed out. There was a lot going on. Okay, okay. At the time, me and Jess will just really didn't click. Okay. And that's okay, not everybody is going to click. And we'll click right away. Or click right away.

Right away is, and you could click. Look at the other day, I didn't know Jessal. I just got to know her through filming. So, like let's just be honest. And I didn't know her. We started knowing each other. There are things about her that drove me crazy. I'm sure there are things about me

that drove her crazy at the end of the day. So this lunch was just, it was just too much for me. And again, it wasn't because, when I heard about our uncle, I felt terrible, but I wasn't saying I didn't care because of her uncle. It just didn't care to be in this moment. God, it hurt. And like, she didn't have to explain to herself to me

is what I was saying. Like, I don't care. I also think, I also think, in this day and age, there's this weird thing that I never heard until 2020, which is almost like, it's like a, almost like a flex to say, I didn't have it good. Like, really, like it's this big thing that's happening where it's like, no, let me remind you, like I'm self-made.

No, I didn't have it that well. And I've even joked about the fact I had a very nice childhood, you know, lived in a nice house, but am I gonna go, but we only had one. Like I just was like, no, like I never wanted for anything. I always felt lucky. I didn't even know people had other houses until I got to college.

I didn't even know what a trust fund was until after college, but I never needed anything. But now I feel like there's this thing now with, I never heard the expression generational wealth until two years ago. And now people trying to be like, you have generational wealth, but I don't. And I feel like that was a big conversation.

And I wonder if she was trying to set the record straight of being like, look, I've had some really great things in my life, but I've also had some things that I suffered with. And I want to make sure everyone knows that I didn't have this charmed life, because people with charmed life because people with charmed life

are not popular right now. Like it's seen as like, I really don't know what it is. I don't know if it's like the Neppo baby thing. Right, exactly. No one wants to be the Neppo baby. Or if they are a Neppo baby, they have to go, yeah, I'm a Neppo baby.

But I'm not pursuing acting. I'm being a chef. You're like, it's fine. Yeah. Look, my kids are going to have it easier than I did because my parents weren't in entertainment. They're, I'm also not Steven Spielberg, but you know, there's things they can do for me.

I can introduce them to people like there is that that they're going to have an easier situation. It was, I mean, watching back, it was all just a mess. But I think that was kind of, I kind of thought it was interesting because I thought it was more of a reflection of the time and like, you know, everyone has a story.

Everyone has an interesting juicy childhood story. And even if you had the most perfect thing and your parents loved you and they loved each other and they're still married, then you're like, well, I'm fucked up with relationships because I had this ridiculous relationship. I could never live up to.

Like even if your parents do it right, people are gonna be like, well, this was an unrealistic love. Right. But the two of you had forever and you never fought. And now I don't know how to fight for my fight with my family. It's gonna be through any no matter what you do. People are gonna judge you no matter what you say, what you do. And now being judge you no matter what you say, what you do.

And now being in this whole like Bravo universe, it's, I can do no wrong. If I am yelling, she's angry, she's rude, she's mean, and everyone loses the message, even if the message is right. If I'm nice and I'm crying, oh, she's backpedaling, give me a break. Now you wanna say sorry, it's not good enough.

So it's literally, I could do absolutely no right. And I'm okay with it. I'm just like, I've got to walk away and just own my truth and it is what it is. Well, I think that it's a very hard job to have. Right. And I do think when I hear like someone like Kyle saying, oh, I've suffered from anxiety, I'm like, of course you have.

You've been on housewives for 12 years How could you not have anxiety every time you film and now do you drink? I do okay and But even if you just have a few drinks and you have maybe a moment and you leave and you're fine And you're feeling coherent that I can imagine that you wake up like some of us do, go to the bathroom pee and you're like, what happened? Did I say something, I regret. Now you have to think about that.

Then you have to think about when they see it, when they get the episode a week before, then when the whole world sees it, then when you have to also explain it, on, it is weird to really let yourself go, I would think. Because you're reliving a moment three times. And it's not realistic. That's not how the world works.

You're one living in the moment, right? You say those things. Two, now you're watching it and the whole world is watching it. You're judging you and you have to deal with everyone's opinion online. And then three, now we have to talk about it again in the reunion. So even if you squash B for whatever you move on, it continuously circulates and it's in your face. So it's a very hard thing to go through because it's a very unrealistic thing. Like,

it's a very unrealistic experience that people don't realize. Now, Uba, who is a lot of fun and a gorgeous girl and a real model and all that. So she lets you know that she's dating this guy. So when you guys are at the, what was it? You're at the golf place, top golf. What were you doing? Swingers. Oh, it's a golf thing. Yeah, yeah.

I couldn't, I love it. And so she is showing you a photo of him, right? Right. Which now we've seen him, very good looking. They make a gorgeous couple. Yes, yes, correct. And so you're like, good for you. It seems like a winner, you know, has a shit together.

And so now where did you get in trouble? This is what I don't understand. What how? How did you fuck up and then got mad? I got in trouble off camera. Like, I mean, I spilled in trouble off camera like I mean I spilled the beans off camera. Okay, okay, wait, let me let me break this down now that we know who he is That we've seen a phone. Oh, yes. I'm still gonna call him. He's a good looking like German

He's amazing. He's executive or something. This is okay. Love it. How did they meet and I don't know anything? Okay, so All I know is that they're today out there. We all know the trick other now. They went to the ballet and they looked hot. Okay. They look great together. She showed me, said she's good, she's happy, lovely.

Mine you, I don't know his name, I don't know where he works. Okay. All I know is where he lives. Right. I know where he lives and I know they're dating. Those are the only two things I know. And you saw the photo that he was cute. And I saw the photo that he's cute.

Okay. Move on. I'm in the Halloween store with Aaron drops a bomb on me about my husband insulting Upa. So you mean, And Wichi said, which I loved this moment because I think a lot of people do this

and it is well intended. Right. It is, right. They think it's a compliment, but it is well-intended. It is, they think it's a compliment, but it is one of those things that, especially now with younger women, it's a really rude thing to say. It is.

Because a lot of women and men will never get married. Yeah, and it's not comfortable. And they don't have to be in a position to be in. And I had friends that were single and still are. Like, I just got together with my sorority sisters for the weekend. And of the four of us, well, there's five, one was missing. Of the five of us, two are married

to our first husband's past 20 years. Two are divorced and one, her second husband has passed. Okay. And the other one has never been married. And I was like, that is actually a perfect demographic. Yeah. Of the world. It's not every, you know what I mean? And we all get along and talk and console each other and give each other advice, even though we're, haven't lived the world life. So I think,

but I have seen that happen with signal girlfriends where people, girls and guys, like, what do you mean you don't have a boyfriend like you're gorgeous what's a dead of the and I Thought she was gonna be like what is it matter like but she's like I don't know ask God because she was you know being funny but like I totally got how The intention was a compliment. Yeah, but I said it was a good teaching moment for the world honestly It was a compliment, but you can tell it was even when I watched it I said hey babe that wasn't cool because it was even when I watched it, I said, hey babe, that wasn't cool because it was an uncomfortable moment because he's also yelling it.

You know, it's like, he's like, hey, by the way, why are you? Why are you single? You know, it was a very uncomfortable moment. And I know my husband, he meant nothing but good intentions behind it. But I think after he saw it and me telling him, he completely understood it. Yeah, totally. And then what she did later on, apologize, but the final thing. I also think a question that I think is cringe and has to stop is when you meet somebody

and they have a child, a couple children to say, are you going to have more? Yeah. I think we need to stop asking that. Let that person give that information once they're more comfortable, you know, I think we need to still have that one. Let that person give that information once they're more comfortable. I agree. I'd say he's two. We're trying because we want them to be close to age. Okay, now you know they're trying.

Then you can talk about it. But I think, I remember my mom has passed to. And I remember my friend, my friend for a long time, she had her son and he was super cute. She had him in 38 and she didn't even have trouble choosing with her guy for a long time. They just tried and then she outward pregnant. But I already knew that's like an inappropriate question and my mom was just like, what do you mean you don't know if you're going to have more?

Why wouldn't you have more? And I was like mom. I'm like, only children have it fucking made. Trust me. Like I was just like, stop it, mom. Like I was like, mom, and you know, and she just thinks that she's being, she's like, he's so adorable.

Right. Why wouldn't you make more? Like, and it's offensive. Yeah. Yeah, you can't, you definitely can't say or do things like that anymore, but I think that's also a very old school mentality. And when you grow up like that, it's just,

you don't mean anything, but I mean, I try to be malicious. But that's growing up and seeing, that just puts someone in a weird, and I remember even with couples that chose not to have kids, and there's that scene in Sex and the City, too, whether at the wedding,

and there's the girls like, oh, I'm a fan of your books, Carrie, and do you have kids? And they're like, no, just us two. Just us two. And the girl acts all weird. I remember the scene. Yes. And then it was like, well, it's just us two.

But I had friends two where people ask. And then finally, she gets to an age and people stop asking. That's crazy. You know what I mean? And it's like, finally. It must feel so good that when people stop asking. You're like, thank God. Thank God you stop asking me. But then again, are you like, is it because I'm older?

Like, do you start feeling old because people are not asking? I had one friend and she, you know, Jen Kirkman, she's a comedian. She actually wrote a book talking about how she has shows childless by choice, you know, and she was, but she was marriage, but she was married. And she was new right away with the husband. Before they got married, we are not having kids. This is what we both want.

Blah, blah, blah. And she had a lot of jokes about people asking. And I think one of the nice things she said to me was she's like, Heather, you were the only person that I told that was like cool. And I'm like, yeah, because were the only person that I told that was like, cool. And I'm like, that because I have him. You're right. Because I have him. And I know what a life of stress of having them is. And it's you, Joe. And I think you're a very lucky person. If you know, you don't want to have them. And you're not something that wants them and then is struggling to have

that. You know, like you're good, you're fine. And I think more and more people that is said, isn't a weird thing. that's not a sad thing. I think it's fine, I think it's becoming normal. Yeah, I have a few friends you don't want children. Yes. And I never, I never say anything. I'm always like, that's cool. And it's good that they can see other

successful, happy women that were childless by choice and have a wonderful life in their 50s and 60s and they're, you know, and they have other children and family around them. And they never felt like they missed out for it. And if someone does say, hey, that's my wonder, grunt, that's their story too. But like, yeah, I think it's fine.

Yeah, yeah, I think it's fine. I'm like, I've kind of thought as a nice moment, a teachable moment, where intention's not bad, but in that very moment, I didn't know she was offended. I didn't, I missed the entire moment. Like because I'm so used to my husband learning out these kinds of things, that I'm just like, oh, it's whatever.

But you're probably, well, your husband in one moment, I thought was pretty great when you were like talking, you know, Jussle admits, she's the one that put the information out there. We're not fucking, okay? She's the one that said it. So I want to make that really clear, as everyone's talking about, she could have very well gone on the show.

There was no paper shed to sign. We need to know how many times you bone in order to get the bravo contract. People lie all the time. You can say you're having it every night. You can say you have it once a year for comedy purpose, cares. You can sleep in separate rooms and no one has to know that you sleep in a separate room. The cameras are not 24-7.

You know, whatever you want to share. And I love that she shared it. Because I think there's also a lot of people out there that their sex life is off track. They're not boning. Maybe they're both not that sexual. It doesn't mean you can't stay married and have happy life. Just for other people, it's like what?

Yeah, that ball of the time. It was shocking. I think it was like, because they're young, there's one thing if they were older, whatever, but like they're young and, but your husband was like, well, I mean, they have two little babies, and blah blah blah blah.

And so I thought in that way, he was cool. He was like, I don't know what a woman would feel like, you know, after having two two babies going through a journey. You know what I mean? No, I thought his answer was, yeah, so this level headed is like my voice of reason. Yeah, that was great. I was also on your side of confusion about the trips to Vietnam. I was very confused, but also I don't know like everyone she was also confused. There was an episode where he told her and she was also very confused. So where he said just for Filipino and he said or she said he goes to Vietnam within like a three-day period just to pick up miles. Correct. And I thought it sounded very suspect to being that it's Vietnam and everything. And I talked a little bit about in the show, but I did have people write in and say, I

do this or my sister does this. And then when he explained it where it's like, no, you kind of are, you know, and my husband is good at booking shit. Right. And I'm not. Right. And there are people that kind of get off on like, you know, getting the credit card thing and you get the Dell tickets. If you go on right now and if like he's good at that and he knows, no, if I go right

now, I can get the, you know, first classic for $200 because they have an open spot. And listen, you know, when my kids were little, I would still go on the road and do stuff. And I loved being alone in a hotel room. It feels good. I love that. It does feel good. I get it. Sleep, when your kids are little, like grabby little,

you know, your kids are older and minor, really old. But like, where there was like 10 years there, where you're just like, you're never alone. You never get to sleep. You never, like you're never solid sleep. Unless you go away by yourself. So, and I did like going on planes. I, you never get to sleep, you never, like you're never solid sleep unless you go away by yourself So and I did like going on planes. I especially was first class I was like I could watch my movies and I get to have someone bring me wine and like so then I kind of was like

Okay, it's his escape right for three days from the one-year-old twins But I mean think about it if you're in that moment though. I'm not watching the show I'm in a moment right I'm just living a moment. And you're asking a question. My girlfriend tells me she's not having sex. I'm shocked. It's been two years. I'm like, wow.

And then next you know, my girlfriend's telling me her husband's going to Vietnam for three days. And I'm like, what? I'm confused. I didn't know about the, what do you mean about the miles?

Like why? I don't follow points guy. Like I don't know. It's just, I mean, you're just having a conversation with your friend and then you know what? Yes, I'm gonna tell everybody else in the group too. Because friends talk and you're like, hey, by the way, you're in Did you know So-and-So

when to be at No, it was so, it was just a freaking moment. And then all of a sudden, it was, it happened over and over again because it became a story line. Yes. And once if something becomes a storyline in a show, someone has to keep pushing it. If it doesn't keep being pushed, there's no storyline and there's nothing to talk about. And this is what happens in these shows. So did I push just a storyline a little bit too far? Yeah, totally.

But you know what? We're talking about something, right? I gave everybody something to talk about, Jussle gave me something to talk about, and it was what it was. We produced a really fucking great show that people are talking about. What I think people also like is,

at least there were a couple husbands. You know, so many of the shows, we don't either have husbands or we don't see the husbands and we like seeing the husbands. I think people like that about New Jersey. We like seeing a dynamic between the housewife and a guy, whether she's dating them a boyfriend or whatever. And so it's nice that the three of you like had husbands that were participated that we

got to see. I think that's, do we really like that? Do we really, do we like when they're like overly involved? Do we like when they, I think it helps with the story like, when they're on the sidelines. I think it helps to have them, I think the show is more exciting

when it's not just all women. You can do a girls trip for that, but if we're really following someone's life, no, I do want to say, there's a certain house where it's like, I mean, Lisa Rina when she was on, it was like Carrie Hamlin was like literally like on one time to like barbecue some chicken. We never went to the dinners. We didn't see the guys talk.

We didn't see them ever exchange. And then more and then, you know, Eric Jane before she got, then was like, okay, Tom barely made an appearance. Now we have no men, but like, KK. And so I like, I don't know, I like it. I like it. It's possible. But if your real life is that your husband really doesn't want to participate, then that's also real life too, then he wouldn't go to the dinner anyway.

Right. So like, I get that. But like, you know, when they had their sexy night, which was reminiscent of, I remember Ramona and Mario, they have a sexy night at a hotel and then she comes out and she's like, interlongering, she looks good and he's kind of laughing. She looked great.

And she's laughing, but it's amazing. Also, you guys, there's cameras and lights. Like if they're gonna screw that night or tomorrow morning or whatever He's not gonna get a boner right now. This is so embarrassing these aren't like real There's the first time they've been on a reality show like we've seen Tamer in the tub with Eddie We've seen these moments, you know that okay if they're extra comfortable getting down great But not everybody is right right and a lot of people aren't not into pda So think about pda with the

camera somebody cram it like it must be cut hard you know I'm assuming yeah I mean I didn't I don't do pda I didn't I definitely was not putting on laundry for my husband so I don't I could see how that can be totally awkward for sure and then look that that was that was there that was your thing but I definitely think that just look absolutely beautiful in her lingerie. She should have got around to applause to be honest. I would have applauded her. I thought, um, she really likes, she was like the most just like in the beginning.

And then like the most liked by the end, right? People now find them like funny and great, which is great. And I did think the green and black lingerie was unflattering on her. It looked like a Christmas shirt. Well, it just like wasn't good around her boobs. It was fun. It just wasn't, but she what didn't have to be mean about it. But she also should have been mean, right? No, she didn't. It was definitely a gift in it. It was more of just sometimes when people give you things, don't you don't have to, you can be like,, oh wow, okay, maybe I can exchange it for something else.

Like what I would have done if I was a constant. If I put it on and it was that unflattering, unless that was gonna come out, which I've done with friends where I've tried on stuff and it's something so horrific and awful or like, can't be told, that I'll come out and like be funny about how awful it is. But if it really was awful and it was really unflattering,

yeah, what you should have done has been like, I'm not wearing it. Thank you. It was to not my thing, but I appreciate it. Right. But like, yeah, the, you know, you learn, you look back. You have camera, you don't even realize

you're saying those things until she watched it back. So again, we're all really real in these moments. We're living just normal-ass moments. They just so happen to be recorded. So let's talk Bravo kind of a little bit. Yeah. So before you came, I was like, so no, Jenna Alliance did not come.

No. And I'm not surprised. I think this is a lot of oversensory. I can see why she didn't. I think Bravo treats everybody how they want to treat them. It is not a factory. So it's like if someone is like, I don't, but they're still valuable, they were not going to care.

But I think if someone is like, I really would not like to come and they can convince you to, then they do. So I thought maybe her not coming might be a side that she's not coming back, but I hope she comes back. Now how did you like it? I mean, how is it feeling like a rock star for the first time? So real, it was so crazy. It was the craziest experience I've ever had

because I'm someone who, I take the train in New York City every day, like, and not one cares, everything that's like, just move over, you know, it's like you get on the train. Do people recognize you in real life now? They do, but not on that level. Yes. Robocon is a different level.

And we were talking about a little bit earlier, but there's tons of people outside. And everyone knows who you are. And they're screaming your name. And when you're walking through the venue, people are screaming your name and want to take your photo. You go from zero to hero in like two seconds straight and you're kind of you're just in shock.

I was anyway. I wasn't, I was not prepared for any of it at all. I saw this girl just walking around where all the booths are and stuff. And she really should have wiped dress on and she really did look like Whitney Rose from Salt Lake City. Oh wow. And I just started going, oh my God, you guys are so Whitney Rose. And I swear a group of people came and she was laughing. And I mean, she

really did look like me. But then everyone's like, oh, wait, that's not her. That's not her. And it was just like, I like your brain. Because everybody's like, it's all about the photos and, you know, which I totally understand. Right. Yeah. How did your panel go? My panel went really well. We did miss Jenna. I feel like Jenna definitely should have been there for, not should have, but it would have been nice

if she was there for the panel. I think, I mean, I think, I don't know how it works. I've actually done work a bravo, but like, if I was there, I'd be like, you know, hey, could you just make the panel and you don't have to do all the photo things and go to the tent and go do the other show down at the bottom of the stairs and that kind of stuff.

It was great. There were tons of people there. It was pretty much sold out. There was only standing available and then a lot of people didn't get in. Well, Christian Snow was a great Instagram and I saw him. people didn't get in. Well, Christian Snow was a great Instagram when I saw him. I was watching following him.

And he said that he felt that you guys got the most excitement, love, the longest line for the photos. And I do think it's because it's new. And the fans have maybe gone three times. There's the third time. This is a brand new cast. You are the only new cast of anything. So the first time it's ever happening, right?

So it's... And I've explained this to someone else before, but I'm like, yes, it is a season 14, but it's a season one for us. Yeah. And so we are something that for the first time in franchise history is a complete, clean slate and starting over.

And we have built-in fans already because of what everyone else has done prior, because of all the OGs paved the way for us, we have those built-in fans that would make this show successful off the bat. Whereas if this was a brand new cast with a different name, we probably would be a little bit lower

and have to climb up into a few more seasons. So it is a very unique experience. And I saw Brynn and she was at something last night, glimmer magazine, something with Uba. And Aaron was there too. Really looked gorgeous. They're beautiful. Like, oh my God, they were doing correspondence stuff for whatever.

So I mean, I think that's exciting too, that you guys are getting all these extra opportunities and jobs and is, you know, and I mean. It's cute. I mean, yeah, it's new. I think the girls are all super outgoing. They're really great, great girls. They all hustle. I love a hustler at the end of the day.

So yeah, I think everyone's taking advantage of this opportunity and just going out there and hustling it up. So it's for me, I'm like, this is this is right up my alley to be surrounded by other women who are driven. And so when do you guys start filming again? Well, we don't know that quite yet. Okay. Yeah, we're not there yet. All right. And what was, what did you love most about the season? And what did you dislike the most? I really disliked living in the same moment over and over again three times. That for me was, it's just not normal to constantly relive a moment.

What did I love? I really liked, I think we had a lot of fun. There were lots of things that no one saw. Like we had this whole improv thing in Angola that was hysterical. Like we would, we had one dinner where me, Aaron and Brynn, we were crying, laughing so hard, we almost peed ourselves. Like we had some moments that were so, so funny that the audience didn't get to see and I'm a little bummed by it, but at least we have those memories

because we were there and we had a really good time. So I think, and also this experience, it's not like you're alone, you have six, five other people, right? Like, and that has experienced this too. And it's an experience that is unlike any other. Like even me telling my best friend, like you don't understand.

Like what a champ watching you. And my, she was like, I don't best friend, like you don't understand. Like what a champ watching you. And my, she was like, I don't understand why people think you're a bit, she was like, am I biased? She goes, maybe I'm just used to you, because I am a little bit brash, I am very direct. But when she says things to me and I respond to her, she's never offended by it, because she knows that's not,

it's not what I mean. For example, the other day, she came with me to BravoCon. And I was like, can you, no, I said, school back, I can't see. But the way I said she was like, oh my gosh. If someone was listening to us, like filming that. Yeah, they would think that you're such a bitch.

Right. But you didn't mean it like that. You just met, hey, school back, I can't see. Like, you know what I mean? And she's absolutely right. It's just, it's just my right. It's just my personality. It's just me. Right.

So I mean, there's that. But for the most part, it was a really, really great experience. Yeah. Reunion was tough. Reunion, I felt like, was the most difficult part. And I think it was just because I'm not someone who sits down to talk about my feelings and hash things out. Right.

I'm not. Have you done much therapy? I've done zero therapy. That was my first therapy session. Andy, you know, you know, always my therapist and that's... Do you ever want to any grief counseling when your mother passed? No. Actually, never talked about it until that was my first time talking about it.

How long has it been? It's been a year. Oh, it's so fresh. Well, that's another thing. When I had that lunch with Jussle, my mom had passed five months prior to that moment. So I think I was just like, yeah, I mean, my parents have passed. And the first couple years are really hard because sometimes it just hits you at different times and it affects you at different times that you can't, you know. It comes in waves. Yeah. grief comes in waves. And then sometimes I think I put it to the back

and I'm like, okay, you got to move on. And then to talk about it. And then sometimes I think I put it to the back and I'm like, okay You got to move on and then to talk about it and then now I'm talking about it constantly I'm like I've never talked about it before really. I can't remember do you have siblings? I do have siblings. I have a older brother on my mother's side and then I have a few brothers and sisters on my father's side Oh, okay, but you were the only I'm the only one by my mom and dad. Oh, okay, and are you close to the siblings at all? Not really so they wouldn't really be making an appearance now But you were the only one by my mom and dad. Oh, okay. And are you close to the siblings at all? Uh-huh. Not really. So they wouldn't really be making an appearance. No.

How do they feel about that you being famous have you heard from them? I think my older brother thinks it's super cool. Oh, that's good. And then I have a younger sister who thinks it's great. Oh, that's great. It's my older brother. He lives in the Bronx. I don't even think he knows what's going on.

Right. He's like, probably he's like, he has no idea. Right. Zero. And so like, what do you like tell me about what, what you have going on? Cause I know you also have a podcast. Tell us about that. Yes.

I have a podcast came out maybe about three months ago with my best friend who lives here. It's called harder than we thought. We talk about everything that is lifestyles in our 40s. We talk about not having kids in your 40s, you know, being successful, choosing a career over a family, what that looks like. My best friend is dating, and I think it's the funniest shit

ever. Don't you love, I love living like Kerasley. Love. I have literally been with friends where I was like, I had a girl open for me doing standup and she was single and she was my age and I go, well, you turn it on, we're in Houston. I go, let me just see if I single what's out there.

And it was fascinating because I never experienced that. That was, it wasn't invented when I met my husband. So unlike, oh my God. And then like, and then matching that. And then I all twat the wrong way. She's screaming at me and then like the conversation What do you do that you already knows yeah, that are like recycling through and like it's crazy Like the whole dating scene especially when you get older too, you know

It's just these honest open conversations witty banter. She's super witty We kind of feed off of each other's energy and we want to have these conversations where it makes it feel like You're sitting next to your own best friend, and you're just listening in because you're agreeing it's relatable. And that's pretty much what we do. We're not doing any like recaps or anything like that. Yeah.

I brought up Roni probably once, but I didn't want people to just come there and just only like focus on Roni. I kind of needed a break from Roni. Right. I wanted to just talk to him. How do you handle social media and people coming out you and your DMs and telling you stuff?

This person said this about you on this podcast and this like, oh my gosh, am I told me I'm, what do you say to me yesterday? Someone came to me and my DM was like, you're a total loser. And all this other. I'm sorry, but it's actually quite funny. I don't get a bad news. Some of the hate would make me laugh too. It was so funny because the person was so upset with me.

And I was like, but why are you so mad? I was just going, he kept coming with multiple messages. And then at the end was like, you goward, answer me. Because they so badly want this attention and a response. And I just, I don't know, it made me laugh so hard. I was like, this is hysterical. And it's not, it's actually quite disturbing. I have not blocked anyone.

I've not blocked anyone. However, I have blocked people from commenting certain things on my page because I feel like what I do for a living is social media. This is my platform that I created and this is my piece at the end of the day. It don't really give a shit about your opinion of me. I'm okay with being disliked if you dislike me, but you don't need to spread that on my page for everyone else to read because this is what I created. Like this is my real estate at the end of the day. And people get very offended that they are not allowed to voice their opinions about me being a loser on my page.

And I'm like, go write it on Reddit. There's like tons of forums apparently about me on Reddit. So like just go for it. Yes. Go continue with your room or my thing. Everything else. Control guess what? I'm not gonna have you write this awful thing

about me and my family. I'm not going, sorry that you have blocked you're gonna have to create another account with the love of Ladybugface or something. I love to do that. And zero followers. And then they come on and they keep going on. But it is hard to have the bl And zero followers. And then they come on and they keep going on. So, but it is hard to have the blinders on and it is hard to not let it bother you

because there's, I think there's times when you do feel like, oh my god, you know, this episode aired and I'm getting it more now. And I mean, there should be like a, you know, I mean, most people can handle it better than others. But I do almost think there should be like a little bit of a coach or something that's like, okay. Because now, the way it is now is not the way it was even three years ago. Why? Because it's social?

I think it's good. I think people have gotten overly sensitive. Overly sensitive, but also it just, you know, years ago they would have to do like a blog or whatever. It just wasn't this constant. And then people having the outlets of TikTok and Reels and Instagram and story. Let me tell you right now what I think. And then also the people might listen to, you know, someone on another show and then report to you. She said this. And then you're like, she said this and then you're like fuck that bitch

And you're like why don't have time to go back and listen to the podcast and make bone conclusion Clifnows or god forbid I why it or not just call the girl and say why did you say that or whatever But then because you're mad and you're not talking and the reunions tomorrow so I'll save it and I get all that I Can see that people are gonna spend this whole conversation Yeah, and the next you know there's gonna be another rumor of me I'll save it and I get all that. I'm gonna have Cliff not here. But I can see that. People are gonna spend this whole conversation. Yeah. And the next day, you know, there's gonna be another rumor of me.

So it's like, it is what it is. If you're gonna go out and talk, like people are gonna misconstrued and tie it up and do something with it and spin it any way that they want. I do think it's important when you have a fact that comes forward or whatever your life. Like it is good to clarify it if you can.

Sometimes I just, I think otherwise you can. I'm like, fuck it. They're gonna say what they wanna say anyway. I think they tend to get even more mad if I don't clarify. If they don't get an answer, they get upset. True. However, it goes away after a while.

It does. Right, it does. But also, I think the rumors that are about me. People are super interested. All of a sudden my engagement went through the roof. Ever ever since everybody thought I was this terrible, horrible human being, I just like my engagement went through the roof. I was like, literally, imagine you behind a bar. Absolutely. I'm coming around. Like literally I saw it in my head and I was like, I thought he sold his business.

Why was he also running a bar? Like half the boy math was crazy. I'm like, and then my husband's six years after he got a divorce, six. What, like, how did this happen? Autofacation. I met him in Costa Rica at a swim-up bar. A fucking swim-up bar. Like, I was at the bar hungover. We're in a vacation. I met him in Costa Rica at a swim-up bar, a fucking swim-up bar.

Like, I was at the bar hungover. We're in a pool. He's behind the bar. He looked a mess. I wanted nothing to do with him. He's talking to my friend. I think he's actually trying to pick up my friend. And I walk over and I'm like, hey, he goes, hey, we've told this story a million times

on social, by the way. There's actually a video that's three years old that's on YouTube. If anybody wants to go dig that up. And I tell this story of how we met. And he actually insulted me. Instead of saying, oh my god, you're so beautiful, you know, he's said something so insulting and I ended up laughing. And I was like, you got a lot of balls because I could have went left. And he was so funny. And he flew to New York the following week and took me on a date. And we started dating for two two years and he would fly from Montreal every two weeks It was a 45 minute flight and that's how it happened and I got pregnant two years later

And what were you doing back then? I was a bartender. I was a bartender. Oh, this is where all the fence is gotten bushed up I was a bartender, but I met my husband at a swim up bar in Costa Rica. So I think the rumors were, they just were not accurate. There was some telephone game that got really messed up. No, he was, and also I have a step-son who's 23 now. So at the time, my step-son was eight. So it just, guys, the math is not my thing. I love it, and I love that. Um,

Jimmy Fallon talked about you. I love Jimmy. Thank you, Jimmy. He understands me. Yeah. You said you showed that clip. That was funny. Um, so you're, your new one, Instagram is scout the city. Yes. Yes. I love that. But if you also type in her name, you could find her if you don't remember that. But follow, follow Si and are you on TikTok too? Yes, I am side to silver on TikTok scout the city on Instagram and YouTube and then harder than we thought on my podcasts. I love it. Yes. This is awesome. Thank you. Yes. I had a great time getting to know you. This is fine. I'm glad that we cleared up some rumors. Yes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. Skinny eyes. I'm glad that we cleared up some rumors. Yes. Skinnery good. Skinnery good.

Let's go to a bar. Yeah. Let's swim up bar, of course. Meet your husband. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.