Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Inside Hollywood Stories and Having 2 Vaginas

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

I am going on tour! Get tickets at Heathermcdonald.net Brandy and Julie, and I discuss a woman who has size 18 feet but refuses to join Only Fans. What would you do if you had two vaginas? Then I have a photographer for the Stars, Scott Nathan. Scott is a hilarious storyteller who does not hold back when he shares about crazy Hollywood parties, jobs, and con women he dated. He also coined the Whore Whisperer giving great advice to proud sugar babies on how to get the most out of their situation. Enjoy! Get extra juice on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop/featured Follow me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald/ Follow me on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Find Julie and Brandy at https://www.julieandbrandy.com/ Follow Julie @mrjuliegoldman Follow Brandy @peeweethepeoplescouch Follow Scott on Instagram @scottnathanphoto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Listen in, listen home. Woo, woo, and a McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello, and welcome to Juicy scoop. Well, I've got a great show for you today. I have a little bit leftover juicy topics that mean me few in my pants talking to Brandon and Julie that I saved for you that you're listening to.

And then I have a great interview that I also recorded a little while back. It's so juicy. It is about some of the greatest Hollywood stories that have ever been told by a hilarious storyteller and Hollywood insider, Scott Nathan. So get ready for a fun juicy episode. And don't forget to go to Heather Mcdonald.net, get your tickets to all of my summer shows with some of your favorite juicy scoopers. Go there now. That's also where you sign up to be an extra, get the extra juicy scoop as well as Patreon. All at Heather McDonald.net. Let's go. This girl's such

as the world's largest fee. She has to bend off perverts. she is that new york post right to big she uses a huge flippers to kick purse to the curb a textus woman with the world's biggest feet so she's constantly inundated with cress from request from creepy guys want to purchase pics of her titanic trotters she needs to do an only fans honey these are her feet. I'll look at, well, not a bit, but also.

Are they the biggest feet of a woman? Do they have a rash? I mean, maybe our toes, so spread apart. Maybe. Maybe. Like, what's going on in between her first and second toes? There's, what's going on here? Well, she broke the record this past fall,

because having the biggest feet, her shoe size is 18. Whoa. Like her feet are, her feet are bigger than Shaq Shaq last fall, having the biggest beat. Her shoe size is 18. Whoa! Her feet are a little bigger than Shaq, Shaq, Shakyoloneal. Wow. Oh woman size 18. So who knows if they broke? I mean, my son has a size 14.

And he has to order his shoes. They don't really carry 14. Great, they don't carry, they only carry most stores like vans and stuff don't have 14 Anyway, she broke the previous record of a woman with a size 16 and she's proud to have such big feet Her Instagram has always been flooded with purves and the bigger the feet the sweeter the treats than one comment She has a Christian and thinks it's morally wrong to sell pictures of her feet So she doesn't have any plans to do that while you're stupid. And she thinks it is disturbing.

I don't. And she has to work with custom show builder in London. And each pair costs about $400. So she started to go. Fun me. No, no, sell your giant feet. Pix. You have to do it. It looks like she's taking it taking taking it in between those first two toes.

I think she's been getting some action in there. Oh, they're putting their penises in that toe. I think that's the gap. Well, maybe she puts her on me. Do you imagine the pedicure lady, like when you even fit in those little toe thing? Oh my God. She gets the biggest razor, like.

Yeah. They don't even look that big in this picture. I wish there was a cushion. She had a reddish. We need something for like size. You know what I mean? What's that called where you can tell the two different sizes. Yeah.

Like a comparison. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. But it cuts only here. You know the right foot is bigger. Oh, it's like my boobs. Yeah.

One's big way bigger. One bigger. The right one is so much bigger than the left one. Oh, crazy. I get pictures. I get emails all the time. Yeah. You feel like your Titanic trotters. Titanic trotters. I feel like someone is jealous. And I will take pictures of them and sell, you know, I don't mind. This girl says I got two. I got two vaginas. Sorry. I have two vaginas. But I use one for porn in the other for my husband Does she mean her booty and her? No, she actually has two vaginas

So it's just you know another New York day. Oh, this is daily. No, two full vaginas. Yeah, she said I had two vaginas with a womb Yeah, so two vaginas two clitoris is two volvas, two vovers, two wombs, two four lips. So she could carry babies on each side. Here's the deal. Oh my God. And he did the research. She has two sets of ovaries and two vaginas. Oh my God.

She earns 12k a week on Horn Hubhub and only fans. We'll tell that big foot girl to join you. You can do a collab. She's from Australia. She's a married mother. She has one vagina for work and another for play so she doesn't see it as cheating. Uh-huh. She was so anxious about sex for so long that she avoided it and then she only lived with her dad and she didn't want she didn't have anyone to ask because she didn't want to say You know, I'm gonna ask her dad about two of a join us and she I like two periods. She shows it off on only fans Her Euretha is lower than usual and then the vaginas are on either side

Oh My god, do you think the period comes at the same time or is it different time happens when two separate ducks failed to join together and affects a point three percent of women. Many people with a condition are left infertile, but she has had two babies. She had a both sides. She has to use a condom, no, just the one side. The other side is just for porn. Her auntie decided, oh, because she has to use a condom in the other vagina when she is pregnant to avoid getting pregnant twice She should be always using condoms on the other side. She finds her condition fascinating and empowering Well true to form as everyone in Australia. She's completely beautiful So less than anyone think that she's popular and porn just because of her two vaginos. Nope. She's completely pretty

I know when I went to Australia I couldn't believe how attractive people were. They're so and you can always tell too. Like nobody's never looked. Yeah, I mean, like they all, like if you think of Margot Robbie. Yeah. And then like, it's the look of two vaginas guys. How about that? So look at two vaginas.

All right. That's what I say. Oh, hey, good day to you. Hey, guys, I got to join us. Don't mind if I do. Once upon, once my husband, he likes it. I'm not cheating. Ha, ha, ha.

He says, what's in that one? I go, you don't want to know. It's from work today. I had to clean it out early up before I got home. A lot of these guys do, for real quick, before I put some shrimp on the bar, bacon. I mean, how much tampons did she go through? Oh, just all of it. Oh yeah, we then she would have two tampon

Period. Oh my one vagina likes tampons my other one likes pants I use a maxi pair at one side and a tampon on the other side. I don't mind it. Why not? You know what I mean guys I totally agree Sometimes it's just how it is you You guys went to Australia a bunch of times, huh? No, it's not. We live in Wands and New Zealand, but we like love it. Yeah, I've only been twice But it was for work at when we were in the Chelsea and went to the D But then you like it beautiful. Yeah, just clean beautiful fun

People are fun. And just nice people Um, they speak my language in English. So it's not scary for me as a dumb dumb who hasn't traveled a lot. You're going to start though. Yeah. Traveling. You're taking me, right? I know that you are.

I can see that your trajectory, you're going to be all off into all the European lands. Absolutely. As always, you guys, remember to go to julienbranny.com to follow their podcast and Patreon and all their good stuff. And now for really juicy, juicy stories straight from Inside Hollywood with my new friend, Scott Nathan. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I'm very excited to talk to a brand new guest, one of my wonderful discoveries from TikTok.

Scott Nathan, I talked about you with hilarious fortune-femester. Maybe it wasn't very flattering, but you have a really good sense of humor and incredible stories about Hollywood, you're a famous photographer, and I just really like your attitude. So welcome to Juicey Scoop. Thank you for bringing brave enough to come. Thank you for having me, and fortune, if you're out there and I know you are, thanks for making fun of my face.

I didn't put on pants for three days after that. But. All right, so Scott, just give us a little background. Where did you come from? How did you fall into this Hollywood life with such great knowledge about the world? All right, so I grew up in the North Shore of Chicago and jaded suburbia, any John Hughes film

you've ever seen, that's where I grew up. Oh, okay. Ferris Bueller, Risky Business, just like, just like white bread America. Uh-huh. And it was a very normal suburban childhood. I rode our bikes everywhere and went fishing in climb trees. And I remember when I discovered this place, we went on a trip to California. So we flewously. So, we went on a family trip to California.

So, we flew into San Francisco, did all that stuff, the Fisherman's War, if the Alcatraz, all that stuff. And then we took a road trip. My dad rented this big Lincoln Continental, which I'm giving my age away. I think we're contemporaries. So, we're driving this land yacht down PCH. And we took this, and I remember coming down and saying,

you know, it's the dead of winter. It was like Christmas vacation. I'm seeing palm trees and smelling jasmine in the air. And we're driving on PCHR CL these beautiful beaches. And we took that left-on to sunset boulevard. And I see all these gated homes and orange trees. And I'm like in the backseat and I'm like, excuse me, why don't we live here?

And Chicago in the winter, love you Chicago, but it's like a Warsaw Post Office. It's dark, it's depressing, and it's miserable. And my parents said at that moment that they remember that moment, and they knew that someday they would eventually lose me to this place. Okay. And we stayed at this hotel called the Westwood Marquis, which is now the W in Westwood over by UCLA. Right.

And yeah, it reminds me of... How old were you? I was probably nine then. Okay. And do you remember that movie The People versus Larry Flint? Yes, of course. So there's this amazing moment.

Yeah, there's this amazing moment that cuts from the first to the second act of the movie where Woody Harrelson says to the guy who plays his brother he goes, we need to move to a place that accepts perverts. And it wasn't really exactly the same. And then there was a smash cut to like a helicopter shot swirling over Wilshire Boulevard over the Flint building.

Right. I never really felt like I fit in growing up in Chicago. It was very like preppy and squared. And in my, you know, 20s, I had hair down to here and wrote a Harley Davidson. And I worked in that, in music there. I was a concert promoter and I worked for a music publishing company.

And I'd run into my friends who were like suits and they'd be like, what are you doing at the middle of the day? What are you writing a skateboard to lunch for? Yeah. And it just wasn't. And then I moved here and I was just like, okay, everyone's weird. These are my people. Okay.

So you moved here at what age? I moved here in March of 1994 just before the North Ridge earthquake. So that would have put me in about 28 and did that scare you the earthquake? No, because I I actually everyone said it was so lucky. I missed the earthquake. I had to fly back to Chicago for 14 hours to go to a court date, which is probably a story for another time. And I missed it. And the earthquake turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me because I just moved here. I had no money. I was couch surfing. I was moving from one friend to the next and probably at the beginning of wearing

out my welcome. Okay. Then the Northridge earthquake hit. And my friend's dad had just built this big mansion on Mall Holland Drive and one of those gated communities. And the house was, after the earthquake happened, you either got a green tag, a yellow tag, or red tag. Right. Red tag on an habitat, green tag, no problem, yellow needs repair.

His house got yellow tagged and we nicknamed the house Hotel Bay Root because it looked like it had gotten bombed and it was pre 9-11 so that was our frame of reference for bombed places. So like six chimneys had fallen and the pool cracked into the mountain and my friend's dad was just like Scott, do you ever place the live yet? I said no Jerry, I don't ever place the live yet. So you could stay in the house just you know just keep And my friend's dad was just like Scott, do you ever play Sallivia? And I said, no, Jerry, I don't know if I play Sallivia. And so you could stay in the house, just keep an eye, make sure that workmen don't steal

the pool furniture, and I'm like, that's fair. And all these celebrities lived in this game in compound, like my first dad. Oh, so he was having people fix it, but he wanted one person to make sure. He was real type A, he could never live with all that dust and construction. But he was happy to have someone be on the property to keep it on

Exactly so he rented a big house on the Wilshire corridor because he can't get he can't handle dust Right, so like I've a figure walk around the neighborhood. I'll check it out So I'm walking around the neighborhood my first day and I got hair down to here and people probably thought I'm in this big mansion that I was like in a band or something, you know, yeah, so I you know I'm a polite Midwesterner So I see a guy left his lights on and his driveway. And people don't ring each other's bells and gated communities or really in LA in general. No, actually, my joke is that I grew up here my whole life, but my joke and stand up, because I was starting to stand up shortly after or right around the earthquake, it was like,

you know, an earthquake is great, because it's when you meet your neighbors. Like, literally nobody would happen. Nobody knows their neighbors until there's an earthquake and you know, and that's even happened in the 90s. So you see the light. So I'm walking around the neighborhood, I see someone left their light on on the Mercedes and I ring the gate and I hear a very like suspicious,

like, uh, hello. And I go, oh, hey, it's Scott, I'm your neighbor, you left your light on in your car. And the guy goes, oh, that's so nice Scott. I'm your neighbor. You left your light on in your car. The guy goes, oh, It's so nice of you. Let me come down and say hello and Out walks a shoelace with a t-shirt and shorts Wayne gradsky. Oh, okay. Just how you do man? I'm Wayne And I'm like, I know I was like I was at your first game against the black hocks in Chicago He's like really your hockey fan. I'm like, yeah And so he was incredibly nice and like walk the It's sunset because it's a beautiful place.

And like Paula Abdul and Emilio Estevez lived up the street and Isaac Tiger at the planet. Holly Wood guy lived there and Shaquille O'Neal, who I never saw, but apparently he had the house down the street and Chris McCarran, the winning his horse jockey of all time random. He lived up the street and Vanna White and George Santo Pietro, they lived there and it

was all this like funny little neighborhood and I was so broke at the time. Like I didn't even have gas money to go down the hill to venture to get gas. So there was a couple of months period where I was pretty much living off avocados and oranges on the trees. But my skin looked great. So then when do you start to make some money? So you have to buy some protein. So then, well, first, I worked in music in Chicago,

so that was my plan was to continue that. Being a concert promoter. I was a concert promoter, and I worked in like the music publishing version of ANR. So I was working with songwriters and artists. And my plan, I'd kind of done everything you could do in Chicago. I worked for an affiliate of Warner Brothers,

Warner Chapel music. And this was kind of a golden age in Chicago too, it was like when the smashing pumpkins were just coming up and material issue and lives there. And Chicago was kind of hot, but I had done everything you could do there. So I wanted to get a job and I figured, you know, I was, you know, fairly successful in Chicago,

so I thought getting a job would be really easy here. Well, it wasn't. And I'm kissing frogs and nobody's hiring me. And then Napster happened, remember that? Oh, the way the music all changed. So Napster was an app and no one had to pay for music anymore. Everybody was stealing it. It was started by that guy Sean Parker who is one of the Facebook guys. Thanks for that too, by the way. And then I kicked in screaming eventually I got

a job with Atlantic Records, which I think lasted for three weeks, and then I got laid off. Right, oh, okay, no, no. I never got an answer why, but I assumed it was just that everyone was getting laid off. The music business was dead to rights, and it was before Steve Jobs came up with iTunes, and 99 cents, and the beginning of saving the music business. So I'm like, what am I going to do?

I need to keep the lights on. I mean, I didn't even have lights at this point, but I had to figure out something to do with my life. So I was just like, well, Napster, this internet thing is new. And this other kid I grew up with, my friend Parker, who was a screenwriter who had brief success until he wrote a movie that everybody hated called Super Mario Brothers with Dennis Hopper and Bob Hoskins, and he basically never worked as a writer again. But he was a brilliant artist and he was a great art director at Leopornet and a few

other advertising agencies. I'm like, you're a great designer. I'm pretty good at talking to people. I bet we could kid these website things are new. I'll bet you I can convince people in the movie business that their movies need websites and he goes give it a go. He didn't have any money either. And he said, Dennis Hopper used to hit him in the head

with the script every morning, yelling at him how bad the script was, which to be fair, it was a terrible script and a terrible movie. But we all got to eat. So Parker and I started this web design agency. And we did a ton of websites, not just in the movie and TV business, but also in the fashion business. And it was rocking, it was doing great.

And this was the golden age of websites. Now websites. Everybody needed a website, yeah. And you could charge it. And it was expensive. You know, we also knew how to do that. Everything had to be coded by hand. So you could charge a lot of money.

So it's just like, you know, I got, I was working for Universal a lot. I was working could charge a lot of money. So it's just like, you know, I got, I was working for Universal a lot, I was working for Disney a lot, and they were paying like, you know, $125,000 for a movie website, and then we're getting these freelancers to do them for $3,000, $4,000, $6,000, and I'm not suddenly, again, eating in restaurants

and playing golf and able to get my own place. So that's kind of how all that started. Okay, so then what, how did you then get into the commercial world? Cause you were like a big commercial guy. And I think, and I could totally see why, because as a kid, I had an agent, you know, my siblings, my two sisters and I, we had agents.

And- So you were a kid actor? Yes, but I was very unsuccessful. My sister was more successful. She was blonde, blue, I didn't that time. That's what they wanted. But the thing that always, that every agent wanted, was a red head.

A red head worked. It was so rare. Still does. Yeah. And I actually have a friend whose daughter was a natural red head. And she got so angry because at one point point her competition was starting to dye their hair. The moms were dying.

They're like six year olds hair red so that they could be that one redhead. One of my agents told me we're the only white people that still work in commercials. Because it's spot color. Because if you're doing a group of people in an office, you need the black guy, you need the Asian lady, you need the ginger. Yeah. And there's just a lot of gigs for Redheads. So it all happened. I was, I was, it was all through a photographer for a friend of mine was this guy, Davis Factor. Do you know him? I've heard the name. So Davis and his brother, Dean were Smashbox

studio, Smashbox cosmetics. Oh, yeah. the name. So, Davis and his brother Dean were Smashbox Studio, Smashbox Cosmetics. Oh, yeah, yeah. And we just finished playing golf over at Mountain Gate, and he said there's a party of 15 cents at studios. So, I said, okay, let's go there. So, we're a little bit sweaty and golf close, but back then I was going through this phase

where I just felt like dressing like a really taggy 70s golfer. It was just like a stick of mine. I started with the plaid pants and the big boat sale collar shirts. It was just to be funny. Sometimes small daily actions really make a big difference, especially when it comes to caring for your hair. A little goes a long way. Yes, I am loving my way products. So whether your hair is fine, medium or thick, or whether you're looking for volume shine or hydration, their shampoo and conditioners are made to really give your strands exactly what they need. I am loving their detox shampoo right now. I have found

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but she's like a blonde lady from Pasadena. She comes up to me and she's like, oh, sweetheart, you are like geek chic. And I was like, thanks. And she's like, no, no, you are like super nerd. And I'm like, can you leave me alone, please? And she's like, you should sign with my agency. Now, I was just starting photography.

And I was like, oh, you represent photographer? She's like, no, I represent actors. I said, listen, lady, I I will never ever be someone with a head shot. She's why not. I said I've just- How old are you at this point? I'm in my 30s. Okay. And she's like why? And I said I've just never wanted to have a career where the insult could also be the

occupation. Like shut up, like shut up you effing actor, which is, you know, frequently thrown around thing. But someone says something, Dom, you're just like, shut up actor. And then I blew her off. And then I see her a week later, I'm like, oh my God, here's the drag queen talking lady again. And she's like, honey, did you change your mind?

You decide with my agency? I said, no, listen, I'm not an actor. I'm not even an extrovert. Like, I am a weird, shy, dorky person. I'm not an actor. I will never be an actor. And then one of my other friends knew she was and he goes, you should sign with her agency. I said, why? I don't know how to act. And he said, listen, you can make tons of money and you can get health insurance. There's an all in a second. Is it just a health insurance?

I'm sure it's just the ultimate flex. Just any of health insurance. It's like health insurance. No way. Oh, all right, fine. I'll give it a go. So I said, do I have to get a headshot? She goes, yes, you have to get a headshot.

So Davis was shooting. I think it was Jennifer Love Hewitt for the cover of Premiere Magazine. He was like, I have a shoot tomorrow. Stop by the studio. Shoot a couple roles on you. So I said, all right. So I went when they were on lunch break.

I just jumped in the light that Jennifer was in. Davis shot two quick roles on me. And I was such, I didn't mean to be a dick, but I was such a dick that I took, I didn't even process the film. I took the exposed film and I drove over to her office at her agency. I just put the monitor desk and left. And she was really nice and believed in me, I took the exposed film and I drove over to her office at her agency. I just put the monitor desk and left.

And she was really nice and believed in me, I guess. And she processed the film and had headshots made. And she sent me out on an audition. And the first audition, commercial audition, she sent me out and was for Toyota. And we had to wear these like Lakers warm up jackets, warm up suits, like, you know, the warm suits. And you know, they have the breakaway pants. Yeah. So the guy goes, okay, so here's the setup. And you know, they have the breakaway pants. Yeah.

So the guy goes, okay, so here's the setup. You're gonna rip off the breakaway pants and you're gonna be wearing a red speed obeything suit. And I said, I'm out. He goes, what do you mean you're out? I said, I'm not, you're not videotaping me in a speedo with these pay-as-dee ginger legs. He's like, really?

And I said, yeah, yeah, I'm out of here. And I just left. But I felt bad because the lady, the agent was nice. And I said, listen, I really like the, of here. And I just left. But I felt bad because the agent was nice. And I said, listen, I really like the believe. I mean, you're a nice person, but I'm not cut out for this. And she goes, sweetheart, before you quit, just promise me you'll go on a couple more. And I said, fine, I'll go on a couple more.

So the next day I won an audition for I think it was Dell computers. And it was the easiest audition in the world. I literally was sitting at a desk, clicking a mouse, looking at the screen, and I booked it. And it was a huge national network commercial, and I made $65,000 from it. And I was on for about one and a half seconds,

I should pull it up here. It was literally click, click, click, and I'm like, wait, money's falling from the sky, there's money coming in the mailbox every day. And I'm like, I think it could be an actor. Yes, sir. So I just, because I didn't care, I just went on a bender and I-

It's like crazy because it's, I mean, the amount of effort that just, to get it for me, to get a commercial agent, to book anything. I think I only booked one thing in like a couple years and I actually got dumped by the commercial agent the day I got like some I think I got a sick a my first sketch show and that day that I got the sketch show they sent me a letter saying we're dumping you because you've like not booked anything and like and I used to think about like God

how do they make any money? There's like five people working here and I don't book anything. Are people really booking stuff? But I guess you get someone like you. And it's amazing that people work so hard on it and they take acting classes, how to be a good commercial actor. And that's the problem. And you think feel so bad about yourself when you don't get it. And it really is so random and so not personal

and so not about talent. Nothing at all. They didn't, anyone, look, I've directed commercials now. And I always used to look at the people at the callback as adversaries. Really, they just want to go to lunch. They want to book the person and get the hell out of there. They're rooting for you. it's so interesting because I

said that it took me so long to realize in any job that you know when you go and you're you know especially when you're young and you're trying to make it whether it's acting or any job you feel like the person is good yeah it's an adversary doesn't want you to do well I'm like no they want the person to walk in to be the one i want you to be the first one they want to check out the dot out of the and go to and so it's like i wish i would have had that attitude earlier because it would have made life so much easier

i was i was so lucky that so you know that actor rexley the really funny agent guy from entourage yeah please the game yes Yes, yes, yes. So he was a session runner and I think Ross Lacey, one of those big casting directors, he was the session runner, the guy in the room that tapes people. Yeah. You know, when he was a journey man trying to make it as an

actor, and I choked, I choked in the room, I'm like, I'm not gonna do, I'm not cut out for this, he's like, sweetheart, just stop, just slow down. We're gonna do this as many times as we have to to get it right. And I still run into him once in a while, and I'm like, I would never have kept going if it weren't for your Rex, because he was so kind and so nurturing.

And that's, you know. Yeah. So I booked 40 commercials, doesn't it? 40? 40. Because I didn't care. Because it's gonna be like an hour away. And I'd be like, well, then I'm leaving.

And they're like, okay, you can come in next. Cause I just didn't care. Oh my God. And that's the way the universe works. Yes. It always greases the palms that don't need grease. They can smell desperation. And then a line up.

And if you have the desperation, it's hard to hide. Even if you think you're hiding it. They know when you're hungry, and then I'll give it to you. Yeah. So that's why everything I've tried to manifest, they're like, no, but the things I don't give a shit about, I always get. So you call it reverse manifestation? Yeah.

I used to call it the anti-secret. Like because the secret is the same type of thing. And I would do this thing where I would just, it wasn't totally anti-secret, it was like, I'd see somebody like me that's maybe a few years older than I am on pursuing the same thing. And I would be like, well, I don't wanna be her. I don't wanna be that at 35. Whatever her life is, that's not what I want.

And so I would do a little bit, it's like a weird thing, but I would kinda, it's like a weird thing, but I would kind of, it's not an actual name, but you know what I mean? I think sometimes people do that where you're like, that could be me if I don't make a left now, you know? So, okay, continue. So, while you're doing the commercial is when you then started to become a famous photographer? Well, I really, I was always a photo enthusiast.

I got my first dark room at like eight or nine years old and how that happened was my dad used to rent office space when he was first starting out. He rented this tiny office space about the size of this room and he sold electrical supplies. And but he happened to rent a building that was all photo. It was all photographers with studios, Kodak had offices,

their Ford models had offices, but what I like, why I like going to work with him, was it was this beautiful, deco building with the manual elevators, but they had these silky smooth marble floors, and I used to like, skateboard up and down the hallways. So one day this guy stopped me in the hallway, and he's like, hey, can I take your picture? And I was like, I don't know, I was told not to talk to strangers. And so he's like, no, I think I your picture? And I was like, I don't know, I was told not to talk to strangers. And so he's like, no, I think I could use you as a model for some stuff. So I said, we'll come back to my dad's office and you can ask my parents if it's okay. And my parents really do want to do it.

I'm like, yeah, sure. So as a kid, you are the desirable redhead. So I was very briefly a child model, but I really didn't like it. But then, but what I really liked is what those guys were doing. So I would, when I go to work, I go knock on all the photographer's doors and I'd be like, are you shooting today? No, are you shooting today?

No, are you shooting today? Yes. I'm like, can I watch? If you sit on that stool in the corner and you don't say anything, you can watch me shoot. So I was obsessed with that. So my dad was like, what do you want for Hanukkah one year? And I was just like, I want, you know, he's like,

do you want an air hockey table, do you want a bicycle? And I'd be like, no, I want a dark room. And my mother's like, you're not, he's not playing with dangerous chemicals. He's eight or nine years old. And my dad's like, he's not going to drink them. So they built me a dark room. And I was like a nerdy kid with a camera.

And now everyone walks around taking pictures. But I was always taking pictures. But my parents are like, you were never turning pro. And I said, why? And they're like, because the arts are for imbosols, which they're not wrong about. Oh, I'm in hindsight. But they're like, I mean, they had my best interests at art.

They were like, you're gonna be a doctor, you're gonna be a lawyer, you're gonna be a businessman. And if you think you're going to college for art, I think again, because we're not paying for it. And I'm like, well, I don't wanna go into the workforce. I still don't. So did you going to college for art, I think again, because we're not paying for it. And I'm like, well, I don't want to go into the workforce. I still don't. So did you go to college? Yeah, I did.

I went to university, Colorado, Boulder. Oh, but what was your major then? Psychology, but only because it had the highest enrollment of women. I knew I was going to go in the music business. I'm like, let's just get through this and make it last as long as we can and we'll ski and we'll rock climb until they tell me I can't stay there anymore. Okay, so you have some other great stories. So you're doing this.

Now one story I want to get into a little bit is how I discovered you, which was your story of telling how you are the gold digger. How did you call it? The gold digger or the... The whore whisperer. The whore whisperer. She called me that. How did you call it the gold digger or the the whore whisperer the whore whisperer? She called me that I didn't call my son. She your friend did yeah, so tell the story Okay so

It all began it all began a photo shoot for a startup hair brand in Orange County and that's like I didn't plan on being the beauty guy But I became the guy who shoots hair a lot of hair and makeup advertising but we can get to it but the first campaign I shot was I booked my broke friend Katie Perry to be the face of two-faced cosmetics and as the saying goes you chopped down one tree and everyone thinks you're a lumberjack so I became the beauty guy because that's where the work was. So and I also don't ever allow people to be mistreated. My set policy is you're not allowed to yell at anybody on set unless they make more money than you.

Therefore, you're not allowed to yell at anybody on set. So this was a busy day. I think it was a hair color campaign and we had like six models to get through, which is a big day. So I'm like, you know, look left, look right, look up, look down, next girl. And so I'm shooting, shooting, shooting. And then we get to the third or fourth girl. And my assistant Stewart goes, I go, bring out the next girl. He goes, she don't want to come out. I go, when he means she doesn't want to come out. And he says, she's locked herself in the janitors closet and she's crying. I go, about what? He goes,

so I go, take me to the closet. So I go to the closet and I go, I'm like, Scott, Annie, it's Scott. She goes, you can't come in. I'm like, Annie, the show must go on. She's like, okay, you can come in, no one else. So I walk in and she's like all her makeups ruined. The mascara is streaming down her chest. She's wearing nothing but a nude thong and I'm like, I don't know what to do. She's like, I feel bad for this kid, but she's also ruining my, the timing of my day.

Yeah. So I sit down next to her, and I'm like, what's wrong? And she says, that D bag with the tattoos and the range rover cut off all my hair and called me the seaword, and I go, what guy? And she goes, you know, the tanning bed guy, and I go, oh no, and it's the client. So, I'm like, I can't, you know what I'm going to do, I can't.

So the client wanted her to have short hair for the shoot? Dude, didn't ask her, cut all her hair off. Her hair was this beautiful, glorious hair. And in the modeling business, that's a huge deal. Like, if you're cutting someone's hair more than three quarters of an inch, there's always a huge pay bump and you get the permission of both the model and the agent. And this guy cut her hair to here. And I go, he didn't ask you, you didn't get paid for it. He goes, no. And he called me a seaword. So I flip because I'm a sometimes a ginger with a hot temper and I walk out

to the guy and I go, did you just cut all my models hair off and call you the C word? He goes, yeah, you own that C for 10 hours, I'll do whatever the F I want to. And I was just, I was livid and I just lost it. And I go, Stuart, pack up the trucks we're outta here. And the guy goes, you leave and I'll f'ing sue you. And I'm like, great, I'd been in one lawsuit before in my life and no one wins them except lawyers. And I won that lawsuit but it doesn't matter.

So it's always like you got to finish it. So I'm like, all right, here's the deal. You're going to pay her for the day in a check and a check it better be gold or you will never get the files and let's just get through it. So we did the shoot. Without her. Without her. But I had four, five of the models and we got through it.

So the girl got my name off the call sheet. And she said that was really nice of you. No one has ever stood up for me before. And I said, well, I'm happy to do it. That guy's a dick. I will never work for him again. And she says, I want to take you to lunch. And that always happens.

It's just like, let's have a job. I really don't want to put pants on. So she's like, come on, let me take you to lunch. And I was just like, you really don't have to. I was happy to do it. And I wish you well. And she's like, just, let me take you to lunch. I was just like, you really don't have to. I was happy to do it, and I wish you well. And she's like, just please let me take you to lunch and it would make me feel better. So I take her to lunch at the place on my corner on sunset.

And we're sitting there. We're having just like a perfectly normal. And she told me that her parents were like traveling ministers. She grew up like very Christian and central California. And we're like 40 minutes in the lunch. I'm about to ask for the check. And she goes, do you have sex? And I said, yeah, I guess.

Sure. So we go back to my place, and we do some sex, and I figured I'll never hear from her again. I was just like, oh, you know, I guess doing a good deed sometimes pays off. Yeah. And that went on for years. I never knew where she was, and sometimes.

You mean, you were like friends with the benefit Exactly. Okay. I mean this gives a young girl legal, but young you're too young for me and I never knew where she was and I'd look at her Instagram and she was always in all those suspicious places that you wonder about The yachts and the yachts Kentucky Derby Dubai the can film festival tiff Sundance you know all those places okay so and I'm without judgment I'm just like do it you got to do girl you know like I don't care and I'd hear from her once in a while and what she did I would be like sure come on over you know it's all bonus for me I'm under no illusion that I'm gonna you know marry her so they can fall in love with this girl that's too young to be my daughter yeah so uh uh so she uh so she says hey I'm coming she calls

me from Sandra pay and and she says how I'm gonna be in LA for a few days can I stay with you and I'm like yeah you can stay with me so uh stays over Friday night stays over Saturday night sleeps over and then she's like I'm gonna take a shower, I said, go ahead. And then all of a sudden, I feel the sheets vibrating. I think it's my phone, so I reach for my phone, and hers is the same iPhone as I, as mine, I know, you know, the big one without a case. Yeah.

So I go to look at her phone, and it said, you have a message from Mohammed and seeking arrangements. And if you guys don't know what that is, look at it. Oh, we know what that is. That's the Sugar Baby Sugar Daddy website. Yeah, the sort of like the centerpiece, the thingy one. So I'm just a wiseass.

So she's getting ready, putting her makeup on. I go, hey babe, and she goes, yeah babe. I give a message from Mohammed and seeking arrangements. She goes, oh my god, are you spying on me? Why are you looking at my phone? I said, I thought it was my phone. But I didn't want her to like storm out and slam the door. So I wanted to feign interest in it.

So I go, tell me how this works. I didn't really know back then. Yeah. And it said show me your hustle. She goes, you want to see my hustle? I said, I want to see your hustle. So she goes, watch this. So she calls the guy back and the guy goes, hello, I am, I am, you know, it's a very thick

middle-ass, middle-ass dude at Middle Eastern accent. Right. And says, I'm staying at the peninsula hotel. I would like to take a delanche. And she says, it's $1,000 to take me to lunch. She goes, yes, no problem. And she goes, we take me shopping too. And she goes, yes, no problem.

So she's like, all right, I'm not gonna have sex with this guy. But she goes, I only have sex with like 3% of them. And they're like, you know, only the hot ones that I would have sex with anyway. And I'm like, do whatever you gotta do, babe. So, she's like, can I come back in like two or three hours and we can hang out some more? So she's like sure.

So Trudeau or Worre, she's gone for a couple hours. She comes back, she's got one of those Saint Laurent bags like for like high boots, I guess. The ones that have sized this table. Yeah. And then like another medium sized Saint Laurent bag and then a small Gucci bag. And I go, you did all right.

And she goes, she goes, yeah, I got you a present. And she hands me the Gucci bag. And I go, you did all right. And she goes, she goes, yeah, I got you a present. And she hands me the Gucci bag. And I go, what's this? She goes, I got you a present. So I opened it up and it's this shoe box. And I opened it up and it was these horrible Gucci slippers that were like velvet with the firm. Remember when that was the rage?

And I said, first of all, how did you convince the Arab guy to buy you a pair of men's shoes? And second of all, how did you know I was a size 11? And she said, oh, I told him it was my dad's birthday and I didn't have any money and I checked your closet. And I'm like, you're pretty cool. And she's like, you know, I said, are you getting rich from this? She goes, no, that's the problem.

I'm only rich in luxury goods. I have like no money. I said, new rules, you're only going shopping at Barney's and Neymar Marcus. And she said, are you getting rich from this? She goes, no, that's the problem. I'm only rich in luxury goods. I have like no money. I said, new rules. You're only going shopping at Barney's in the name of Marcus. And she said, why is that? And I said, because those are the only places where you can get cash back on a return. So I forgot that I even told her that didn't hear

from her for three months. Then she calls me and says, wait, I'm going to save the sub-water. She calls me and she's like, daddy, you're a genius. And I was like, why, I'm gonna take the water. She calls me and she's like, daddy, you're a genius. And I was like, why am I a genius? And she says, do you remember what you told me to go to Barney's and leave him a Marcus for gifts?

And I said, yeah. She goes, I've been returning stuff. I have like $35,000 in my bank account. You're like a genius. You should be like a coach for sex workers. You're like a whore whisperer. And that's where the title, the whore whisperer goes from. Do you have any other tips for sex worker whores

or just girls that like to dig rich guys and make some money in the meantime? Well, that is kind of turned into part of my brand, which was not what I'm after, still not what I'm after. I'm just trying to be fun. So, you know, so, yes, some of the advice I've given these girls is, do not let a guy take you shot. You do not want to go shopping at product. You do not want to go shopping at Gucci. You do not want to go shopping at Valentino or Louis Vuitton, even for that matter. Why? Because those are non-depreciating assets, the appreciating liquid assets or the ones that never lose money. There's

really only two brands in women's finery and that's Chanel and Air Mass. And Chanel bags, like them, don't like them, doesn't matter. They hold with the S&P 100, you know? They never lose money and they quite often gain money. And during COVID, supply chain got cut short and you could take a Chanel bag that was two years old and decent condition and sell it for more than a new one. Yeah.

So, you know, I always tell them, you buy clothes with your own money, buy shoes with your own money, get bags from Chanel and Hermes. So a lot of people have done quite well with that advice and then I'm just like, what if a guy wants to buy me a watch? I'm like, you never take women's watches because they have no resale value. And if it is a watch, it has to be one of the big three Geneva brands.

So like, Patek Philippe, Odomar Piguet, Vacheron Constantin, or Rolexes evergreen. Rolex is always blue water, but always get men's ones. And men's watches for women are kind of in style anyway. Mm. What about other jewelry? Like, what about, like I just saw something about, you know, how everyone has the goal, Cartier bracelets. I love bracelets.

But that guy, but this guy said, the, the fakes are so good now that you shouldn't buy those real Cartier bracelets anymore. Always skip the love bracelet. Yeah. VCA always does well. What's VCA? Van Cleef and Herpels. So if you can get, if you can get that, I always say skip diamonds unless they're branded.

So unless it's graph or Harry Winston, you're gonna get pennies on the dollar for your diamond, unless it's massive and flawless. Even Tiffany, I mean Tiffany, most of the stuff has no resale value and it's Dreckie, but if you get a big Tiffany, you know, VS1, VS two giant diamond, take that. But, but yeah. I saw this other girl giving tips about how to act like you're really interested in a guy and take him shopping, but trick him into it. And so she was like, so

you go, you say, you go, oh, you're walking by and you go, oh, I just want to go in this store for a minute and look at this something. Do you mind if I try this on and get your opinion? So you're not saying buy it for me or anything. And then you try it on and you're like, what do you think or you might even bring the guy, like Flirty with him, like, was it me up in the dressing room

and like, have him, this is like, you haven't up in the dressing room and like have him this is like you haven't owned him yet but like making him think it and then you know and then you'll be like well that was that was nice but no I'm not you know I'm not getting it and then he'll most likely insist on getting it and you know that's the way you get stuff. And does it work? Well for this girl I thought the way she said it I'm trying to remember all the stuff, but I thought it was, you know, you know, I thought it was pretty, it was pretty good how she like was subtle about it. Because that's my question. If you're not on a sugar baby website and you're dating someone that can afford to buy you some stuff, but you don't want to peer like that's the only reason

you're there. Do you have any advice for that? Because you want to act like you're just like not that girl, you know, so that they keep liking you. But here's the thing from a male perspective, and I don't have this fetish, but but it is a big male fetish to, to save women, to shower women. Yeah. And it's a, it's a flex of power. This is who I am.

I can take you to eat here and I can buy you this and I can buy you that. And that's how they sort of, you know, exhibit their power. Yeah, I think for really rich guys, it's not at all like they're being taken or anything. No. Because that's what they want and it is a flex

and they like it and they, I mean, they've got it. And it's a transaction they're comfortable with, like to a really rich guy, giving a girl a pair of shoes from Gucci is like me giving you a candy bar. Like it doesn't mean anything to those people. And they're happy.

But to that 25 year old, just to tell all her friends, oh my God, a $1,100 pair of Luba Tons showed up at my door by his driver. Like how hot and exciting is that? That girl is in love with you in a hot second. Yeah. I remember, this is funny, but this is comedian,

Berk Krasher said this, he goes, you know, I got to a place in my life recently where I was able to like have this car delivered, my dream car, whatever. And the car is there and his wife of 20 years, who has two kids with, comes home and she's like, oh, you got your car, cool. Like that was it, you know, and he's like, now imagine, like, if I took a 25 year old that I was on a second date with in this brand new car, how she would be like, oh, like, taking photos, telling all her friends, and that's what it is.

But if it's your wife of 25 years that you've accumulated the wealth with, and this isn't the first nice car that she's seen you get, and she has a nice car, it's like, well, no, I'm not gonna go blow you in the garage right now. That's right. Because it's not that big of a thing. Do you know about the car scam, the rich guy car scam?

No, do tell. So this is a big move among celebrities and rich guys, where they'll go take the girl to the Porsche dealer, Tesla, whatever it is. Buy them the luxury car, and then they don't have to buy them anything else. They just have to take them out to dinner, and then three months later,

turns out the whole thing was a lease under the guy's name, and they just send someone over to take it back. I've seen so many girls get hustled. So if a guy's telling you he's taking your car, you're like, title my name. Yeah. Or no deal, because nine times out of 10, you're getting scam. I'm not gonna name any names here,

because I hate getting sued, but there are some very famous celebrities who pull this scam. And just go. rappers and athletes. Does a girl really not know? Because I would think I would getting sued, but there are some very famous celebrities who pull this scam. And just go. Do the girl really not know because I would think I would be like, clearly, like this isn't my car forever. And, but I might as well enjoy it for as long as I can and take my girlfriend's breath. They don't ask.

They see the car with the red bow rounded from the dealer and they're like, this athlete, you know, bought me a Porsche. Yeah. And they really think it's there. So that's actually on one of my videos. I was like, car in your name or no deal. No leases. They have to also know because it's like

who's paying the insurance, the maintenance all the, you would need that whole big package from Porsche, even if you were ugly. Heather, you're a valley girl. I'm a Chicago guy. We didn't just fall off the turnip truck, but plenty of people in this town just fell off the turnip truck.

I guess, especially if you're not here and you're like, I just fell into this fancy Hollywood life. This is what I was meant to be. I'm so hot, this guy likes me. And what about shelf life of some of these girls? Like, where they're really living their life on their looks, and it's not their sparkling personality that they get invited to the parties.

It's not because the guys love talking to them for hours. Do you think those women realize that? I hope so, because beauty is a perishable good. You know, we all want to age like first growth,ot, but you know, I can only speak for myself that I'm kind of aging like milk in the Texas sun. So, you know, like, but hopefully they can convert it. Like I know that he spoke Texas. Yeah. So like, I know that I know this one girl who was a neighbor of mine and she was all about it. She was shameless. She'd go out with these really old, really rich guys and she knew the clock was ticking. And with the really old guys, would she have to

bone them or were they so old she didn't have to or be a real quick guy? She actually preferred. She's like, she's like, you date a rich guy in his early 30s. He's going to have bang you for three straight hours. She's like, an old guy. If he can make anything happen at all, it's gonna be all of five minutes. Right. Yeah. So that's why a lot of these ex-boyfriends are like, yeah, yeah, and they're just like, hopefully,

you know, you don't wanna eat his over cooked vegetables and be asleep by 7 p.m. Yeah. So, but this one landed one. I don't know how she did, but she's dating this older guy. She's living on a gated compound. They fly in his Gulf Stream all over the world.

And I'm kind of like a fairy godmother to these girls, because they are so dumb. So like a lot of them, so I'm like, make sure you send me, they're like, he has a jet. And I'm like, send me a selfie of you. Like make it like you want to be a selfie with the jet, but make sure you get the tail number in the frame. And they're like, why? And I'm like, explain it to you later. And a selfie with the jet but make sure you get the tail number in the frame and they're like why and I'm like explain it to you later.

And there's this website called Flight Aware. So she sent me a selfie and I was just like, okay, it is, it's not his plane. It's a rental. It's 35 years old. Which to be fair, I don't know about you guys. I don't own a 35 year old Gulf street either, you know, or even to fly a chartered private who cares? Yeah, still private. Right, but I was just like, it's not his plane. It's a recent remodel, but this guy takes very good care of her. They live in a compound.

She seems to really love him. You know, he's made his money, so he's not at work all the time. They fly all over the place, and I don't know. Some dreams come true, I guess. So now, how old is this girl? 25. And the guy's like, what, 60? It's late 60s.

Woof! Okay. But a fit late 60s, like it goes to the gym every day, late 60s, like he's gray, but he's, you know, kind of shredded and has a lot of energy. I'm still though, that's 40 years, okay? So, do you have any tips about like, okay, it's been a year, honey,

and I just wanna make sure that like, I'm not gonna end up in an apartment with three friends in Pomona if you don't meet or die. Or enter a coma and your kids are like, we won't even let me to visit the hospital room. So what do you suggest for that? How do you close? That's the question, right?

I think this is what I would do. And I'm just thinking about it now. But I do think that it's so funny because just recently I said to Captain Sandy that a movie that changed my life, I was about nine years old. It was with Victoria Principal. It was called the Mistress. Somebody just looked it up. And she was an actress and she was the Mistress. And she got, so excited to tell her sugar daddy that she got a part in a soap. And then it's

going to film next week. She finally booked a part. And I thought her life was so glamorous. I was watching this at nine. And it was that he said, no, you can't because we're going to new york and that's not only time with you and you're basically my employer whatever anyway he dies the white she gets nothing and then she has become a regular hooker i just remembered the ending of the movie so um... now i was like well i don't think i want that i think i would like to maybe

pursue the talent's cut gave me which is not being a hooker but I do think there's something important in like it taught me like no you've got to like say hey I want a condo in my name I want something in my name and I think that's what I would say like can we buy a duplex or something or something that then I have some security because I'm not going to, you know, I don't want to take your kids money and I don't want them to hate me and I don't want to. I believe there can be a heterosexual transactional relationship that can be beneficial to both and be fine.

Not everybody is going to have the most notebook worthy love story that, you know, only one person in this and that and you're on this world and if this is what makes you happy and you're like, I don't need the most amazing sex in my life. I'm really thrilled to watch, cause I'm blogger with this old fart and, you know, take my mom to Cabo and hang out with my nieces and whatever case is and he's nice and who cares? But also know that, you know, it's not a regular marriage of two people like it married at 25. Where's the line? I look at every ex-plame-mate friend and every ex-supermodel friend of mine who married a guy who looks like Alan Dershowitz, who lives behind gates in Brentwood Park.

Yeah. And what's the distinction? That guy was never going to get a girl like this, but she had what he wanted, he had what she wanted, and they actually do love each other. And look, the hot sex doesn't last forever, no matter who you're with. You know, like, no matter how hot a girl is, if I don't like her or she boars me after three days I really don't want to hang out with her anymore Yeah, whereas I can certainly give up a lot of the looks department if I'm laughing all the time

Right because all the girlfriends I've ever had people like you don't have a type you went from like a six foot one blonde To a five-foot tall Chinese girl and I'm like I do have a type my type is funny and that's it Yeah, so yeah, that's so... It's all a mosaic, it's a puzzle. Yes, but I mean, it obviously happens a lot, you know, in certain cities and LA being one of them. And now that it's so out in the open with the sugar babies up,

and even like on the TikToks where these girls like love to flex it, that like I, and even women flex like, I got married and I don't have to work like I just married so well and the guys not old and I just get to wear my Lula lemons and get my hair done and have kids and you should be jealous that I don't have to work and I'm like hey that's fine too but again in 20 years it's rarely feel different that exactly rarely free my grandmother goldie used to say anybody you marries for money has earned it yes has never worked harder

yeah something like that there's a saying like that yeah because then it's going to be like you know you're expected to have the meal or you're not or you don't have the freedom to go out with your friends or you know you don't have any comeback to it. And it's always going to be an imbalance. Yeah. And you're almost without exception, the person with the money has the leverage in the relationship. I dated one extraordinarily wealthy woman with the jet with the whole thing and she did love me and I think the best way she could. But she was so used to everyone around her being a submissive, and I'm just not a submissive.

She'd be like, go run this errand for me, go do this for me. In the beginning, I thought it was cute. And then she'd start bossing me around and I would be like, no, I've been in the car all day, I'm not running another errand right now, just let me relax right now. And then she'd hand me a Wells Fargo envelope and I'd be like, what's that? She'd be like, that's $10,000. Now go run my fm errand and I'd be like, yes, ma'am

You know, but eventually I just couldn't take the treated like the help anymore And it was more to it than that right but when people have like unlimited resource It's sort of like fame. You know when you're never told no like I remember when all those kids were like low-hand and going back further, Shannon Dordy, and all those kids were like wild animals running the streets of LA, if no one ever told me no from, you know, junior high onward, I would have probably turned into a miserable prick too. But it's because I've had this shit kicked out of me so many times in life that I'm such a polite person Yeah, and I will I also think you know if you're you know come from money and then you have all that It's it is just your world view if your world view is like I was watching this other thing where there's like a trend going on

Where people say has anyone ever said have you you ever had a rich friend say something to you that made you realize how poor you are? And then people were like doing stitches in this one kid. He was a young Jewish kid from upstate New York and he's like, I got to go to this camp, but I got like a scholarship or something. But so I was like the diverse kid Just because I wasn't super rich, but because he was white everyone just assumed he was another

Upper whatever East Coast person and they would be like He'd be like what'd he be like what are you doing this weekend? He's like I'm going to my dad's and he's like oh where where does your dad have a home? He's like what do you mean does your dad have a home? He's like, what do you mean? It's just his home note, but where's his summer home that you're going to for the weekend off? And he's like, just his apartment and Brooklyn or whatever it was.

And it's just, and it's like this, nothing. It's nothing wrong with those kids. But if that's all you know, it's like the thing when someone who has a private jet goes, oh, I was so embarrassed. We had to take commercial and my daughter said, mom, why are all these people on our plane? Well, if all she knows, yeah, I'm taking a private jet, how would they know different? And so it is sometimes I, I was, you know, I do think not boohoo, but it is a challenge. I would think for really wealthy people to try to teach their kids, you know,

like, you know, to make them really aware that what this is is not normal and, you know. Yeah, and to not let them run a mock. Right. Like, I went to college with with became extremely successful. He was a, he was a Goldman Sachs banker, retired in his early 40s, has all the money in the world. And his kids don't get shit till they're 50. 50. Wow.

Because he's just like, I've seen what it does. It destroys people. And even Warren Buffett was just like, you know, I give them enough to do something, I don't give them enough to do nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's very true. And then, but also then there's this other part of like people being, you know, rude about the fact that maybe your parents gave you a down payment for a house. And like, you know, I watch a lot of housewives. And they're always like, you're mom, but your house. And then someone said, well, don't we all want to get to a place that hopefully in 25 years that you could buy your four year old,

a condo or give them a doubt. Payment, isn't that what we want? Absolutely, I'm rooting for those people. Yeah, like don't we want that? Why, why, it shouldn't be a dig to someone that they do have some generational wealth, you know? I feel like it's like a weird flex to say, like, oh, I was raised poor,

I didn't come from anything. Did you ever see that interview with Parasoul? And said, I had no idea I was rich until I went over to another kid's house. Yeah. Like, she just didn't know, because that was her frame of reference. Right.

And I love her, and I, you know, I root for everybody to be successful. It was like a nice person. And what's great about Paras too, is that she came from all this and Became famous really the first type of person to be a real influencer or anything But took it and you know did a million fragrances and a DJ and TV shows and all this stuff

She didn't just you know try to marry the first rich guy at 21 and do nothing you know so it's like it is it is really interesting okay before we go i want you to tell this jone river story because i love jone rivers and you photographed her so what's the story there i love jone so i got a call i think it was from one of deedavante's who i've been working with for decades. One of her production people says, do you like Joan Rivers? I said, who doesn't like Joan Rivers? And they're like, do you want to do a shoot with her? And I was like, of course, I want to do a shoot with her.

When is it? They're like, okay, well, there's going to be a camera crew there, so you might have to work around them. So it's a chore. So shooting in Pier 59 Studios. And I was stoked. So I get to the studio and I'm always early for shoots because I'm ADD and I just need to be alone and just stare at a blank stage

before 100 people come in and ask me questions. I'm sitting there and I'm just there sitting my coffee looking at this white psych figuring out how I'm gonna light her and what we're gonna do. And all of a sudden I hear this unmistakable voice going, what the hell Scott get here? And I'm like, I'm Scott, she goes, you're always early, I'm always early.

And I'm like, cool, she goes, you want to breakfast together? It was a gaff chorus. So we sit down and we're talking. And she goes, you know, she goes, your work's very nice. And I said, thanks. She goes, that's not why you're here.

I said, no, she says, this isn't even really a photo shoot. And I said, what is it? She goes, we're shooting an episode of Jonah Melissa. And we get in a big fight. And it takes place behind the scenes of a photo shoot and I said okay why me and she goes guess I hear you're Jewish and you're very funny I said I'm funny I'm not you funny she goes sweetheart nobody's me funny which is true um so we had the we had the best time and and and it was kind of like

Joseph kind of person there's nothing you could say to shock her. So we were almost having a contest to see how offensive we could be to each other. Like and I could tell like some of the things we would say would like make Melissa just roll her eyes. Right. So and we were just like winding each other up. So while we're shooting, she goes, it's got and I said yeah jone she goes to your ball sag i said what she goes what do you have to ask your question do your ball sag i said yeah a lot more than they did when i was a teenager

she goes my vagina sag so much that this morning when i got out of bed i stepped on it it looked like i was wearing one of those big gray fuzzy rabbit slippers and i literally had to hand someone my camera and walk away doubled over laughing and uh... and then she was just like, let's go fuck with the front desk lady. And I go, why? She goes, there's nothing else to do.

Let's go fuck with the front desk lady. I go, okay, what are we gonna do? She goes, I'm gonna take my roller board and you're gonna just like be a sequoey and you're gonna go, Miss Rivers, Miss Rivers, can I help you with anything? And she goes, and just improv the rest. I go, okay, so I'm walking behind her. She's just like walking with her shades on can I help you with anything? And she goes and just improv the rest.

I go, okay, so I'm walking behind her, she's just walking with her shades on and her page me and her Birkin. And I go, Miss Rivers, Miss Rivers, can I help you? And she just drops the Birkin, drops the roller board and just walks out the door. And then we were like visibly upsetting Melissa and I go, John, what are you doing later?

She goes, I'm not doing anything later. I was going to like go back to the room and order room service. I go, that's what I was thinking. She goes, what are you thinking? I go, I go, let's hang out tonight. Let's like order room service, take a bath and Melissa's like, oh my god.

And John, you know, we're just fucking with each other. And she goes, and she just got him too old for you. I'm like, I don't think so. I think we're like soulmates and we're just kind of screwed by age. But I think you and I are supposed to be together. She's like, I don't know. But there's so many things that happen. She was so, she was so great.

And like saying that she came early, I think you also said that she was like, and I remember this from her documentary, that happened right before she got back on E and all the success before the Joan Melissa show. And how she said, like, I don't get any dates anymore. I have a blank calendar. It's all Kathy Griffin. That was the, what a face or whatever that documentary was.

And so she said something to you about that. I said, yeah, yeah, that was really good career advice. So she said to me, you know, she was not afraid to ask an inappropriate question. So she said to me, she said, Scott, what's the most money you've ever made in a photo shoot? Which is like, nobody asks anybody that. And I go, what?

And she goes, what do you have shit in your ears? I asked you a question, what's the most money you've ever made? And I said $85,000. And she goes, it's a lot of fucking money. Who paid you that? And I said, Google. And she goes, oh, she goes, do you ever turn down work? I said, I do sometimes turn it down work. And she said, don't ever do that. And I go, Jones, sometimes there are shoots where what they're expecting exceeds the cost, where I can't afford the gear. I can't afford the location. I can't afford the insurance.

She goes, you figure it out, you take everything, you say it and note it, nothing. She said three years ago, I was playing shitty bars in casinos, and everyone was talking, and nobody was listening. And now I play the biggest rooms in the world, and she goes, and you know what? Three years from now, I could be back to playing those shitty bars. You figure it out, you say yes to everything. Your enemy, your only enemy in this world, is the white calendar, which is good advice. Yeah. And she goes, how much are you getting yes to everything. You're enemy. You're only enemy in this world is the white calendar, which is good advice. And she goes, how much are you getting paid to do this show? And I said, she goes, you got to get anything. And she goes, why? And I said, because I fucking love you.

I've always loved you. And I didn't mention this in the TikTok, but I was like, you know, you're the first celebrity I ever met. She goes, get out of here. Where? And I said, I'd look, read in the local newspaper and will met Illinois The Joan Rivers was coming to sign autographs at a screening of rabbit test, which is the movie Joan directed way back when So I said so me and my friend Eli got on our swim varsities and we rode our bicycles to the movie theater She gets you prick. I go wait call me a prick She's you rode your bicycle you had had to make me look 100 years old. And I'm like, well, you are older than me.

And she goes, that really happened? What was I wear? I guess that you were wearing this luxurious camel hair coat and like a scarf. And she goes, I remember that coat you were there. Totally. Yeah. And then she's like, repeated on the thing. You know, while I was taping the show

so I repeated, I was like, yeah, the first celebrity I ever met. And then she's like, how old were you? And I was like, I was like 11 and she goes, fuck off. And she walked away for me. She, yeah, it was just, yeah, and the greatest work ethic and all of that. And so I'm so great. On the other thing, she said to me, which I found out was a joke she'd used over in it, but all comedies did that. We all recycle our best material. But she said, Scott, you ever been in my apartment?

I said, no, Joan, how would I have ever been in your apartment? She said, you should come. It's nice. I said, yeah, what's it like? She's like, come for a pass over. I go, what's your apartment? Like, she says, how Maria Antoinette would've lived

if she had as much money as me? She looks so great. I know, and I love that she wasn't apologetic about liking the finer things in life and deserving them. You know? I also like that she never apologized. Like if she said a joke, like she said a few jokes about some famous people,

I know that really hurt their feelings. But it's almost like the first amendment, like I defend their right to say it, you know? Oh, 100%. Like I don't agree with everything that shapel said about the whole con you know but i defend his right to say it you know yeah absolutely and it's like jokes are yeah i really is and and sometimes i i asked Melissa i go what do you how do you think she would have reacted to this huge change in our social,

what's okay from the last 10 years since she's passed. It's just like, you know, and cancelling people and not being able to say anything. And she's like, I think she would have loved it because she would have been like, come for me because I'm not gonna play this game. She never backed out. Yeah, of all of it.

And she probably would have been like, I think she could have gotten away with it more than other people just because she always did and she was older. And she's the OG. But yeah, but. I'm so mad about you. You saw the Tiger Woods thing that happened, right? At Riviera.

He said, why did he end? With a tampon. But why did he end that guy, tampon? They just were messing with each other? Tiger Woods is famous for messing with people. We have farting in people's backs wings. They'd be walking down the fairway, be like, can you hold this for me

and it would be an empty candy wrap? You know, it's just, he's a frat boy at heart. Okay. So, Tiger was just much older than, I think it was Justin Thomas. Okay. And the fact that Tiger out drove his drive off the tee was calling him a bitch.

Right. You know, like, I'm older than you. I hit the ball farther than you. Here's your tampon, which is a legit joke. Yeah. It shouldn't offend anybody. Doesn't offend me. And I was reading other women.

No women were offended. No women golfers were offended. And I know he's got sponsors to take care of, but I would never ever. I would have been like, I'm not apologizing for that joke. It's a legit joke. I added him a tampon. If you don't think it's funny, I'm sorry. Yeah.

But it was, yeah, I thought. Did he, did he have to say sorry? He did a press conference and it says, I deeply apologize if anyone was offended. And I'm just like, you know, the drugs and the cheating in your lives, I was fine with all that. You were apologizing for the tampon joke. Yeah.

I'm mad at you now. Yeah, now I feel like that that was not authentic because you know you don't feel that way. It was funny. Wait, I want to show this one a little bit of her. This is when you guys are doing the show. Okay, how is the lighting? Let's we're going to get it dialed in. Is it comfortable for you? Oh yeah, so I can't wait. It's like Auschwitz. Have a look at this. Super Melissa. Wait, your looks like this. Put it on this box. Amazing. Yeah.

Um, well, thank you so much for coming. This was so fun. You have great stories. Tell everybody where they can follow you. Uh, Instagram and TikTok, Scott Nathan photo, uh, pre-orders for the book, uh, is bad decisions book.com and you can get on the mailing list Scott Nathan, photo, pre-orders for the book is Bad Decisions book.com and you can get on the mailing list and hopefully that's coming pretty soon. I will definitely read it and then have you back again for when it's available. I really appreciate you guys. Thank you, this was great. All right.