Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Is Andy Cohen Stepping Down? Meghan Markle, Tamra Quits with Zack Peter

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

Zack Peter is back! Real Housewife of OC Tamra Judge announces she quit RHOC mid girls trip filming. Meghan Markle is criticized for her Netflix show and we analyze why. Also, I call BS on some of her stories she shared on the Drew Barrymore show. Nick Viall on Juicy Scoop was quite the talk. Zack is an expert on the Blake vs. Justin cases and he gets into it all. Is Kathy Hilton acting on RHOBH? Then we share a rumor that Andy Cohen will be stepping down. We break it down and I give my unsolicited but valuable TV advice. Enjoy! • Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code JUICYSCOOP at  https://www.irestorelaser.com/JUICYSCOOP ! #irestorepod • Find exactly what you’re booking for on https://Booking.com, Booking.yeah! • Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at http://Rula.com/juicyscoop #rulapod Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod  https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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stay that's ridiculously right for you. Find exactly what you're booking for on Booking.com, Booking.Yeah. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I return favorite. He is an expert in so many things. Zach Peter, welcome back to Juicy Scoop, host of No Filter with Zach Peter. Is it just Zach or is it No Filter? It's a No Filter with your full name? Yes.

Just like Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald. But on Instagram, it's just at No Filter with Zach. Got it. Because it was too long. But yes, the full show is No Filter with Zach Peter. Yes. So we're going to get into a lot of things. I had Nick on on Thursday.

We got into Blake and Justin, and he was clearly team Blake and Ryan. And a lot of people were like, you need to get Zach back on. And so there are some things that have come up in the last couple of weeks. So we're gonna catch up on that, but we're gonna start the show off with some interesting housewife breaking news, since you're an expert in that as well.

So Tamra, judge of Real Housewife OC, announced via her Instagram that she has quit Real Housewives of OC. I saw over the weekend people in New Orleans had seen them filming Real Housewives of OC. There was photos of Gretchen, Shannon, Gina, Emily, who else? I saw Heather DeBrow in the photos. Katie was there. Tamara, Katie.

Gina, all of them. So all of them. There's no new people. I don't think so. And so I was like, oh, that's cool, they're in New Orleans, they're filming. And then this popped up and then Andy just kinda was like, I can't speak on it on his radio show.

And her best friend, one of her best friends, Teddy, is going through incredible medical situation with her cancer. And so it sounds like maybe that's what she's saying. It's like, what am I doing filming this show, bullshitting about something when my friend is like, going through the hardest thing in her life? So what do you think? It's very Meredith Marks, right?

When they're fighting and she's in the hot seat and then suddenly all the women are grilling her and she's just like the children of the world. And she like goes to something. I think that's what's happening here. She's probably in the hot seat. Gretchen came back and Gretchen made no, you know, there were there's no speculation that Gretchen was going to come back and put her in the hot seat. Like Gretchen was ready for her and she says Tamra's been terrible for years and you know, it was time to hold her accountable.

So I think Tamra's probably taking the heat this season. And then she just had this moment of like, there are real problems in the world and other people are dealing with things and my friend Teddy is going through a really serious situation and I'm, you know, and she doesn't want to take the heat. And I think she's probably quitting and she's using Teddy's diagnosis and her struggle as an out. Okay, well I think a couple things can be true at the same time. So we all remember the famous scene when she went running

on some other girl's trip and took off her heels and went running and she's athletic little girl. So she was running pretty good and it was, you know, you'll never see my face again. And so this is what I think. This is just a prediction of mine. I think if there was one particular conversation on the show, fight conversation, confrontation, that led her to go, I'm out.

I think that possibly at one point Gretchen may have brought up to Tamara how critical Tamara was of Slade being a father to his now deceased son, but who was critical with, I don't know the diagnosis, but he had two sons. One was the older one that we saw on the show with Joe that like played the guitar. And then there was a younger one that we saw on the show back then that I, at that time, I don't think was ill. With that ex-wife, because I think they had different moms, and sometimes that ex-wife, because I think they had different moms, sometimes that ex-wife would, I guess, communicate with some other housewives and share that she was not feeling like she was getting the support from Slade. When the poor boy passed, Gretchen shared a lot

of photos that they were with him, that Skylar, their daughter, was with them and all this stuff. But we would hear, oftentimes from housewives, Tamara being one of them, that Slade was not participatory financially or whatnot in this child's life. So I think something might have happened where she was saying that,

and then also Tamara being in a hot seat with that situation, but also being in an extremely vulnerable situation that her best friend is fighting for her life, was like, oh my, I can't defend that behavior. And then also be in this position. And the job we, you and I both know, the job of being a housewife is 99% emotional warfare.

It is, even the women that come off like Teflon women, Ramona and stuff, when I've talked to them now that they're out are like, I'm so happy I'm out. I'm so like, it is such an emotional thing. So being that she's obviously very close to Teddy, it's not only her, probably her best friend, but her business partner with the podcast, but also it's having the moments of like,

I don't need this shit, whatever job you're doing, whether you're an accountant and your mom is dying, and someone's like, really? You're not gonna come the day after your mom, you know, you're like, whatever. And you're like, fuck you, my mom gonna come the day after your mom, you know, your, like, whatever. And you're like, fuck you, my mom's dying. I don't even do this shit. Like, whatever it is.

And so I think that it was just that kind of emotional break. And I wouldn't be surprised if she comes back. Yeah, I don't think she's actually going to, she's gonna take a, she's gonna take a beat and then she'll end up filming. She'll probably take a week. Well, we heard last, this season of Beverly Hills, like Kyle, when she left in the robe,

she like didn't film for two weeks and then came back. Oh really? Yeah. Okay. So she had quit the show. And I just think that's probably what's going on with Tamara. I agree with you. I think Teddy's, you know,

recent brain tumors are weighing heavily on her. That is her close friend. She works with her very often. And I do I think it's both things, right? Something that I think Gretchen clearly came to the table with something. Yeah. And maybe she has some dirt that she dug up on Tamara and what Tamara who Tamara was talking to or communicating with or something like it's either something like that or it's something about Eddie that she doesn't want out on the show.

Cause those are the only times housewives get that emotional as if it's something about the husband. Yeah, where they feel like if this gets out there, this could be the end of my business as I know it or my family as I know it, which is why this job is emotional warfare. And why it is so much harder than anything anyone ever gives them credit for. And why it is so much harder than anything anyone ever gives them credit for.

And why she said, Tamara, mental health is also health and I'm doing this for my mental health. I mean, also I've heard that in filming, the other cast members, couple of the cast members were, you know, very sympathetic to what she's going through as far as being Teddy's very good friend.

But some of them never reached out and some of them have not given, been that like caring or it doesn't seem like they're caring. And so that's probably, she's probably clocking that. And then if one of those people came at her, she was like, you didn't even fucking call me when you knew my best friend was going through this like F off

Well, I mean that's the game right like you I think you have moments where you think the friendships are deeper than they actually are And you realize it's a game of survivor We're all just here to do we're gladiators in the arena and our job is to entertain the crowd and they want to see us You know come for my allergy. Yeah, so I just think but I it's also kind of, and it's hard because I really do like Tamara on a personal level outside of the show, but it's hard because it's like she has been one of the ones that has put the women, you know, feet to the fire every time there's been something that she's had to grill them on. So it's interesting that it's almost like her housewives karma just collectively coming back. And I mean, she was the one that put out the rumor that Kelly Dodd had done a train.

Yeah. And then like made like Vicky repeated when they were in those weird like Marie Antoinette outfits. Yeah. And there was no proof to it at all. And just putting it out, oh, well, I heard this. And if you go way back to the Gretchen and Tamra shit, Gretchen had some ex-boyfriend

that put out salacious photos of her or something. And Tamra put that out in the universe. And that was really where their, like, thing started. It's hard because it's like you've had, I mean mean every housewife at some point has had their season where they're Just getting annihilated we saw Shannon went through it last season. They brought back Alexis Bellino So it's really Tamra in the same position. It's a didn't get annihilated Oh, no, the fans ended up turning on Tamra because they ended up embracing feeling sorry for her Yeah, but I mean, but thank're filming of it. And I always say, thank God the cops never,

that footage never was seen. Oh, that body cam footage, I know. We have it of Karen Huger. We have Karen Huger's. She's just walking the dog. Yeah, mugshot. The only housewife in history to be arrested whose mugshot we have not seen is Shannon Bedores, which, hey, good attorneys can be a valuable thing.

But that has to be wild, because you know that body cam footage is crazy. She's pretending she was walking Archie, and now we know she had the bloody face. Could you imagine somebody just walking down the street with their dog and be like, oh, my dog had to go to the bathroom. Like, who's gonna buy that?

But so, yeah, but Shannon did go through it during filming though. Afterwards, the audience was on Shannon's side, but going through it, having to deal with Alexis, and then having Tamera on her. I feel like that- And handling herself well, she did. Yeah, and she did the best that she could

in that situation, which is kind of what you sign up for. You know that there's always gonna be, and Tamera went into the season knowing Gretchen was coming back, knowing that the audience wanted to take down season of Tamera, like she knew all of these things going into it, that, you know. Also, I think there's a lot of harshness memories of Gretchen's

because there was this friendship bracelet moment where it was like a pink little like bracelet that Tamra gives it to her. And I remember this was so long ago, and I was very friendly with Tamar at the time, and we had a show, and we needed guests because it was a guest host. And I said, what about, I get these two housewives,

and at the time they were friends now, you know? So I get Tamar and Gretchen on, and it was a great episode, and it was fun, and they did great. And then later on, I have my book party, and I invite them both. And I find out from Heather DeBrow that allegedly, not allegedly, this is what she told me,

Tamara was bummed that I invited Gretchen. And I go, but they're good friends now. They did the friendship bracelet and all this stuff. And she's like, and Tamara was like, oh please. I did that because the audience hated me and I had to make up with Gretchen. And I think Gretchen being like a woman of God and Christian, she believed.

And I think Gretchen from 12 years back is holding the fact that you fake pretended to be my friend. Remember she also at one time opened up to Gretchen and nobody else that she had had a suicide attempt back when she was 21. And I remember Vicky was like, what are you doing here with Gretchen? We're best friends.

So she was doing all that stuff and making Gretchen feel like she was a real friend. And 10 years later, when you realize feel like she was a real friend and 10 years later when you realize that someone was not a real friend, yeah you're not going to get over it and now you're working with them you're going to be like yeah I got your number and I think that something happened. She should have, if anything she was probably the most prepared coming in because like when it was 10 years of prep. Yeah, not only that but I mean I mean Tamra cuz like when Erica's When she hit the fan with Erica like she couldn't predict that

Yeah, yeah The divorce was gonna happen and then the legal stuff was gonna happen while they were filming and Shannon didn't really know that Alexis was Gonna be so big on the cast last season. She was just kind of creepy back in She was banking on that everyone would hate Shannon for the DUI Yeah, and so this was the one season that Tamra should have been the most prepared armor on ready to go. Do you think that Tamra will still be a bridesmaid in the Alexis John Jansen wedding? No. No, no. Do you think she'll even attend?

Probably not. Listen, like you said with the friendship bracelet, she's so hyper aware of the audience that she's she knows that that's not a good look I don't think she's genuinely that close to them anymore No, not especially not after they threw John and Alexis under the bus at the finale or right after the reunion when they all showed Up at the house and like here's what John and Alexis told us at dinners last night. They did the Fab Force 5 OC edition Whatever that is Yeah, so I don't I don't think that friendship is holding on too strong. Right.

So we'll see. But obviously we all, you know, are thinking about Teddy and her recovery. Mia of Real Housewives of Potomac spoken a little bit about this show in that she was the one who was separated from her husband, but he was still around Gordon. Her storyline was she didn't know

if one of her sons was Gordon's or not. Turns out it was Gordon's, and the girls all called her BS in using her son as a fake storyline in that she probably always knew that he was her child's, that they were the actual dad. Otherwise, it would have been really fucked to have put that on camera,

but it's also fucked just to have played with that. So they called her on it on the show and now she said, after much reflections, I have made the difficult decision to step away from the Real Housewives of Potomac. This journey has been one of incredible blah, blah, blah. As a mother and a business woman, I have always prioritized taking care of those that I love. I'm beyond grateful.

So a smart one, you know, also she should know that there's always room to come back. And there's always room to be on the villain, the traitors, whatever. But yeah, if she does, if it's like, yeah, I can't go back and film with these people because they probably are gonna start in about a month. And she's like, yeah, I can't go back and film with these people, because they probably are gonna start in about a month. And she's probably just like, I can't do it.

Do you think this was her choice? We'll never know. I think probably not. I think whenever you walk off, they want to also make you, and she walked off, you know, with most, she did most of the show, but she walked off probably, you know, with a couple hours left of filming, of the reunion, and I think that is a big no-no. It's a big no-no not to show up.

Yeah. And it's a big no-no to get up and leave. Yeah. And they want to make an example about so the other women know that you just cannot do that, because that's what the show is. It's about holding you to the fire at a reunion. I mean, I feel like this kind of puts the final nail in the coffin for Potomac, though. I feel like the show really went downhill when we lost Candice and Monique. Right.

Then now we have Karen. Karen's locked up. She's not filming anymore. Yeah. She hasn't made her official announcement, but like writing's on the wall there. Or they do the whole pause till she comes out. Oh, God. Because she'll be out in a year. Yeah. She only has to do a year and she might get out in like nine months.

Yeah, she'll gen shot it. Yeah, and she'll be a, I'm sure she will be lovely. I mean, gen-shot is work in that system. She's out next year. Yeah. Which is crazy. You know what's crazy? 500% she'll be coming back to Salt Lake.

I had a prison consultant on my podcast at the time that she was getting ready to go to trial. You mean like that movie, like remember, you're for the movie with Will Ferrell. He has to go to a white collar prison, so he hires a prison consultant. So there's a real thing. And what are the tips? Yeah, and so I asked him, so this was when she was headed to trial,

and I was like, what do you, Jen Shaw. I was like, what do you think that she should do? Like, how do you think that she should navigate this to like get time reduced or to not get time? Because at this point, she was still innocent in her head. And so he gave me this whole list, and like, this is what she did, navigate this to like get time reduced or to not get time because at this point she was still innocent in her head. And so he gave me this whole list and like this is what she did. She should go into like a rehab alcohol program and that'll get a year taken off.

And he gave me this whole list of things that she should do. And then ultimately she ended up pleading guilty. But from there I think she ended up hiring him and then she ended up doing everything that he said to do on my podcast. Yeah. So, and now look at this, she's following all the tips and now she's getting out early. She's doing show amazing abs with Elizabeth Holmes. They had their Barbie prison pageant and she's making the best of it. I know what I'm going to do when I get, if I ever.

Locked up. Please dear God, no. Is I would do a little stand up comedy class. Oh, that's smart. I would teach the girls how to get five minutes together. Wow. And comedy is tragedy plus time. We all suffered some tragedy.

Let's hear what got you in here or your worst relationship and you work on five minutes and we have a little comedy show at the end of it and then the guards would be nice to everybody because they're entertained. First I thought I would go in and learn to imitate the guards so that the inmates would think I'm a cool chick. But then I thought the guards will hate me for that.

You really thought this through, I'm concerned. Yes. Also how good will I look with solid gray hair? Yeah. Because I'm not going to be able to get my Madison Reed dye job in there. Well, I don't know. Jen Shaw was doing beauty tips and she was teaching the women how to read and write. Did you read that? That's nice.

She has her little blog that she does and so her team will update people on Jen's diary entries and she was teaching the women how to read and write and then she was writing the screenplay about housewives in prison. I mean I have to say as a woman I do feel like female prison based on which prison you go to is like a world of difference than if you're a guy. I just think you know 99% of hardened criminals are men. So you know and men are just different. So I think it would be way worse to be a guy going to prison than a woman in general, in general.

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A lot of people said it looked like a boba tee. Yeah, the boba tee, I saw that. The boba tee, it was kind of a nude brown with black balls on it. Yeah, it's latex. And kind of like, it looked kind of 1950s, almost kind of like a Minnie Mouse cartoony. And she was at South, what is it, South?

South by Southwest. Yes, to premiere A Simple Favor 2. And this was kind of an interesting photo because behind where the fans are, she says hi to this woman. And this is coming from who is this? Elrich Elsie. Okay, sorry. I want to give her props. She noticed that if you were just watching this as a regular person, you just think she's talking to people behind the gates to take photos, headshot sign something. But this woman is actually Paul Figgs, who is the director of the movie's wife. Yeah, which is weird because, you know, behind the thing, acting like a fan. What happened? So Blake walked right out of the car and passed by this little like group of fans. And so what I think it was is they strategically placed

people that they needed to be there so that it could look like people wanted to take selfies and get photographs. And we're not gonna ask her about Justin. Correct, and they wanted to do that. Cause even Anna Kendrick, like people tried to ask her or Variety tried to ask her about the Blake situation and that got shut down really quickly.

I wanna say really quickly what she said. The clip I saw was she said, oh, I did Ayahuasca last year, so I don't remember anything. We saw recently that Ariana Grande, when asked about her album said, oh, I went to this clinic that erased my memories, which there is a real clinic like that.

And then I, over the weekend, finally watched Blink Twice. Did you see Blink Twice? No. You can watch it on Prime for free. And Zoe Kravitz wrote it. And it's very juicy about this billionaire who has an island and people go on it. And it's kind of Epstein-ish kind of based on me too and being in the industry is how she

wrote the movie but there is a part where their memories are erased they can't remember stuff to tell and so I'm like it's kind of weird that that was a hit movie yeah and now people are saying this to like get out of, I just think it's strange. But okay, so get back to this premiere. So yeah, so she got off and she's taking selfies with everybody. And it seems like it was all preset

that she was supposed to walk by this one little group of people. Like one of them conveniently happened to be a guy that works at like a domestic violence aware in this hotline. And he just happened to be there taking selfies with her and he's like a big Blake fan. And so it just-

Is that the guy in the black and white jacket? Yes. So some people are accusing him of being a hired actor. And then another person said, hey, just so you know, like really dedicated fans will go to every premiere and you do as this start sometimes recognize some of your most dedicated fans at things.

So the fact that she was like, oh, hi, isn't total BS. You know, like she really could recognize him from previous things. Yes, but he was also in the venue and he was like, she was spotted with him a few different times at the event, which tells me that they just got a group of people and they wanted to make sure that she had support and she Had people that wanted to take photos I mean but putting the director's wife out there for a selfie is really stupid because she can she's gonna see her backstage After like that was very that was dumb But so yeah, and it's just it's obvious

I mean, but you know how a lot of these things are like my background is in you know, celebrity charities and so we would do that we would have the family so that the celeb would walk by and like oh Here's the family from the grant program and like yeah So that we could get the photo op with the photographer and then they have the videographer and surprisingly that makes it into our end Of year campaign like all of these things are also produced and like Planned out that that was not by accident by the way I'm just remembering when I first met you and you worked for Jenny's charity, Jenny McCarthy, and we did a comedy show in San Francisco.

And I saw the lineup and normally ego-wise, I saw the lineup and normally ego-wise as a stand-up you want a headline, you want to go last, you know, that's like a bigger thing. Close the show. Right. So I saw it and I saw a couple of comedians go and then there is a portion about what the charity is for to give, to show the work they've done. And it's going to be a tear-jerker moment, okay?

Of good, happy tears, but tears. So I kept that to myself, and I said to whoever it was, it might've been you, I said, you know, now Whitney had to go before me. Yeah, Whitney cut me. Because she had another gig in San Francisco. So I think I said something, Josh Wolf. I said, you know, Josh is just higher energy

and a stronger standup than I am. So he should go just after me, meaning after, because I was supposed to follow the sad video. Yeah, so at these shows, so we have the comedians, but then there's a sad video in the middle, and then that's where you call the audience to give donate, like, oh, pledge your support, but it's a sad video that's like, it brings down the tone in the room.

And so that's where we rely on the comedian to then bring the tone in the room And so that's where we were lay on the comedian to them bring the right and so I saw I was number three Okay, so it was like two people sad video two people and I don't know who the final person was but it was like another guy and somehow I used the and I placated the ego and I'm like I think you'd be better if it was like the two girls and then the two guys, because I'm like, the guys are stronger than us, you know? And so I think it was Whitney who had to go first because she left, then me, sad video, and then Josh. And so when I said to Josh, because she was supposed to be number two, I go, oh, they

want you to be three because you're a stronger stand-up than me. He's like, no, no. I go, no, just I think it'll be better that way that I follow Whitney. And then he realized that he was like, he did it. And he's like, oh, thanks Heather. Like, thanks. Oh my God. It still was all great.

He's a professional, brought it back, made something about, but it's one of those things. Okay, get back to Blake. Okay, so, okay. So the movie I am excited for cause I am a fan of those things. Okay, get back to Blake. Okay, so, okay, so the movie I am excited for because I am a fan of the movie. Yeah, the movie, the trailer looked good and I did, I like posted it on Instagram

and I was like, I know we don't like her right now, but like the movie actually looks good and then people are like, man, like, oh, now you're turning. And I was like, no, it was just a movie. But the wife, what's interesting about the wife, Laura, Laura Fief, director's wife, is she's been in the comments defending Blake. She's like movie, but the wife, what's interesting about the wife, Laura, Laura Fief. The director's wife. Director's wife. Is she's been in the comments defending Blake.

She's like totally, yeah. She's totally Nick Vial. I mean, I can't blame it if that's, you know, you got a movie coming out and you don't want people to hate your star. Yeah. Well, my point being she in the comments said that like Blake has already been paid

so you're not gonna be hurting her by not watching the movie. And so, and yeah. Interesting. So I was like, well, then at least I know she's not getting royalties, and I feel a little bit better. But, you know, she has been the biggest like Blake defender,

and even the director came out and said that the rumors about Blake and Anna not liking each other are completely false, which I've heard, I don't know if you've heard anything, but I've heard the complete opposite. I heard that both Blake and Anna Kendrick, I heard that they're both not easy to work with and they absolutely do not like each other.

And they are just not. And that's why you don't see a single photo of Blake and Anna together at this premiere. Well, I mean, the interviews from before were like, the scale of one to 10 awkward at a 10. Like of her being like, okay. But in watching her then get on stage and talk, like she is the same person that we've seen in the videos

of she does the word salad. She tries to be funny. The audio, you know, she is kind of charming, but she is long-winded, like a Dorit. Like I get it. And I get why if you worked with someone like that for, you know, five months, you'd be annoyed by her. But also in her defense, she didn't seem that different

on a red carpet saying hi to people. She was, hi, oh, I like this. I mean, I think sometimes those videos were picked apart where someone gave her a bracelet, maybe it was the Tamra, a friendship bracelet, and she was like, thank you so much, it doesn't match my outfit, but thank you. And then people were like, why wouldn't you put it on?

I'm like, okay. There's some nitpicking. I'm like, please, you're on a red carpet, you're being gracious enough. But okay, since we've talked, since it's been a minute, since what else has gone on legal-wise just catch us up with what's happening?

Is it still looking like March 26th? Do you think it'll happen earlier in the trial? I mean, I feel like every week it gets worse and worse for her, legally. Cause like, so obviously I think since I was last here, they did SNL, which obviously was a bad look. And I know Bethany came out and she's like, this was brilliant.

And I was like, this is stupid. They went to the SNL thing and Ryan did that joke. He did a joke about it. Which then he wrote the joke. Yeah, he wrote the joke and then the cue card guy came out and is like, oh yeah, he had a different joke and he changed it at the last minute. And then SNL was like, we don't know

who this cue card guy is. No, they said he doesn't work in the creative department. He wasn't in the meetings for writing the joke. I'm like, I believe the crew people. Like, cue card Wally is not gonna lie about seeing. But also now, like, do you imagine, like, you're trying to get a job as cue card guy? And they're like, we also need to sign

that you won't do any podcasts ever and talk about the, I'm sure now they're like, oh, I guess we never had the cue card guy, like, sign the NDA, we've had everybody else do it, but yeah. But so, Bethany Frankel said that it was the smartest move that they was brilliant. And I called it from the beginning. I was like, this is gonna be used against them.

I go, maybe it's brilliant PR wise because everyone's talking about them and everyone's talking about it's now cute, whatever. But like, this is gonna be used against them legally. And so it was brought up in court that, you know, they're not taking this seriously and she's doing, you know, red carpets. You campaign now acting like, oh, isn't this seriously and she's doing you know red carpets and now acting like oh isn't this funny and

ridiculous when you started it because you said you were sexually harassed if There was no sexual harassment to it Yeah, and this was just a lawsuit in I thought I think that you did an internet smear campaign against me And I'm going after you for that. Yeah, then At maybe one point you can make life of the ridiculousness of it, but not when that is also part of your case. Right. And it's connected to the movie, which is about DV. There's so many layers to it that just make any sort of jokes about it inappropriate. So it was brought up in court

because right now what she's trying to do, her team is fighting to, Blake's team. Blake Lively's team is fighting to, they want a protective order, but they want an attorney's eyes only protective order, which means anything that gets brought up in discovery can only be reviewed by the attorney. So they can't even share that with like Justin, like none of, and they're trying to say, oh, well it's because we have, you know,

privileged information, like, are my publicist client lists that like can't get leaked. And that it's like you have a celebrity publicist and you don't want her client And that's kind of saying like just because you have famous friends Taylor Swift They don't get special protective order correct just like the president United States doesn't so it's like you're not gonna get it Just because you're a super famous person if we say we want to see the text messages between you and Taylor you're're going to have to turn those over or we're going to get them on our own through Mint Mobile. Right.

Through Mint Mobile. But she's withdrawn, she's since withdrawn the subpoena. So she's not, she doesn't want his phone records anymore and she's I think, but she's still fine. So she's saying, I don't want your phone records, but I don't want you to ask for mine? Correct. That's kind of the latest. She's withdrawn those subpoenas.

So she's no longer, or she may be amending it, but she's withdrawn them because the judges basically said that that was kind of ridiculous. But we had a hearing last week that was not the strongest case from her side. She has, there are like five attorneys representing her and then Brian Friedman's representing everybody on the wayfair side.

But we'll have to see. The text messages from Taylor Swift are probably going to end up coming, that maybe, and Bradley Cooper is probably also going to get dragged into this too from Taylor Swift are probably gonna end up coming. That may be, and Bradley Cooper is probably also gonna get dragged into this too. So there are a lot of famous people that may get deposed or have text messages revealed. And so I think if there's going to be a settlement,

those conversations are probably happening now so that that privileged information doesn't get out. Because the judge doesn't seem like he's protecting her celebrity friends. So do you think Taylor is gonna have to be subpoenaed? It's possible. It's not looking good. We have to wait to hear what the judge says this week about the protective order, but

the judge didn't really seem to be entertained by this celebrity argument. He's kind of just like, listen, if you're going to trial, this is all going to come out in trial anyway, whether you want to prevent it from coming out now or next March. It's coming. And so I did get a lot of comments because Nick was very team Blake and Ryan and he was on my show on Thursday, Nick Vial. And what are your thoughts about the show, about our conversation about it? I thought you did a good job.

Listen, he's not that, he doesn't, you know, think that hard about things, but he has 15 podcast co-hosts that do that for him. But like, he clearly has not read these court documents as he told you. He just, it's obvious that he has not. It's obvious that he, even if you put, like, let's just focus on the sexual harassment because that's like the really serious stuff. One, she's presented zero evidence to support that and if anything, evidence that has come out has debunked some of her claims already.

Like the clearest one that shot her credibility was when she said that, you know, the producers showed her porn and his naked wife and then we find out that it was his wife's home birth video and you don't even see anything. She's holding the baby in her arms and he's, you know, they have the newborn baby and she had just given birth. So yeah, technically she's naked, but you don't see any parts. And she described that in her lawsuit

as a pornographic image of the wife that was shown to her, which to me is just like ridiculous, you know? And so, or when she said that he smelled her and said that she smelled so good. And then we saw the raw footage and the raw footage didn't play out that way. She's like, oh, my spray tan smells, which you've had spray tents.

They have a very distinct smell and you're insecure about it. So she's like, oh, my spray tan smells sorry. And he's like, oh, don't worry, it smells fine. Or it smells good. And she's like, oh, that's just my body makeup. And it's like these things that clearly show what she's describing and what is being shown in,

like footage and photos are very objective evidence. That's not somebody's opinion. Like you can see that and it's very clear. So when you have a number of these things that are shooting the credibility, it's just it's not looking good for her. So Nick, I wish I would love to have a conversation with Nick. I know he would never have a conversation with me about this. I would even do it here on Juicy Scoop for you, Heather. Neutral territory, you could be the Andy Cohen. Well, I didn't really notice until Dave Meal, who like analyzed it, was saying how, you know, cause I left, I liked Nick as a person.

So I left and I liked that we were on opposite sides and I didn't find him to, some people felt he was like, they felt he was being disrespectful to me or trying to manipulate some people felt he was like, they felt he was being disrespectful to me or trying to manipulate my opinion, or he's like, what's the evidence? What's the evidence? And I kept giving him evidence just off the top of my head, not like I'm a lawyer.

But it still didn't bother me. I still thought it was like done with respect and I still thought it was interesting. But I mean, the amount of comments I got on YouTube, I have to say made me wonder slightly, though I pretty much have the same amount of people watching every episode, so I believe they're real juicy scoopers.

I'm not saying they're bots. But if I was to think that, I would go, well, maybe- The smear campaign. Maybe Justin's people really are, because the only other time I got a lot was when I had Coco Moco on about two months ago. And at that time she was,

I don't know where she is now with it, but at that time she was still very Team Blake. And those are the only times I've gotten like, and not towards me, like not mean towards me, which makes me think I do believe they are my real listeners and watchers that are just, were not happy with the, what was feeling like, you know,

they don't agree with his opinion, which they have every right to comment. But that is sort of interesting. I was like, hmm. The thing with Nick is he, and I'm sure he's a nice dude personally, I've never met him, but I just think there's, he's so pompous and arrogant

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And so I just think people are wanting to root for him and they've become so enraged. And I think a lot of it too is it's like, there are people that understand harassment in the workplace and they don't feel like anything that she's described reflects that. And I think it kind of like hurts people that have experienced that genuinely. I think it was interesting too that Nick said,

he's got this billionaire, he has more money to go after this. And I'm like, but again has more money to go after this. And I'm like, but again, he didn't go after it. He fought. Yeah. And you know, and then I've read like in the end, if he was really to reveal, they would be like broke because of their people analyze how much she's made

off these movies, whatever. I disagree with that. I think they're gonna be, everyone's gonna be fine in the end But anyway, so I just haven't heard one like really good critical Argument that's pro Blake. That's not just about like feelings over facts, right or like I why would she do this if you know? Well, she was trying to save her I don't think she ever thought it would get this far and And then did you see the article that came out last week about Baldoni? I think it was in the LA Times, they did this whole piece on him. And only to find out the biggest the juiciest piece of this like expose that they did on him was that one of the former employees that used to work for him says that his work environment was toxic positivity. Like that's the worst that they've dug up on this dude. And they've been coming after him for months at this point. I remember when I was at Chelsea lately,

on the third floor was Ross Matthews talk show that lasted like a year or something. And we were on the fourth floor. And they said, people were like, do you know what's going on on the third floor? I'm like, what? They're like, Ross meets with his group and is like, everybody, we're just gonna do

an emotional check-in or whatever. And everybody has to say something positive about somebody. And it was the complete opposite of what was going on on the fourth floor, though we had a lot of fun. It was a different mindset. And I'm like, oh, so now toxic positivity can be a negative thing?

Like, you just can't win. No. But do you think that Taylor and Lance, Lance, sorry, Taylor and Blake will. Continue their friendship or she is completely ghosting her. I mean, come on, if one of your friends called you a dragon and said they were the Khaleesi, like I would if I were Taylor Swift, I would be pissed. I'd be like, I'm never talking to you again. Back in the day, people used to go,

this was like years ago, there was a Mary Tyler Moore and it was Mary Tyler Moore had a best friend named Rhoda. So people would be like, I'm the Mary and I'm the Rhoda. No, you know, no, no, no, I'm the Mary, you're the Rhoda or I'm the Lucy, you're the Ethel. No, like I'm the, and that's the way, it's the same thing like, wait a minute. Yeah, but it's very obvious who the Lucy, you're the Ethel. No, like I'm and that's the way it's the same thing like wait a minute. Yeah, like you're not, you're not the Lucy is here. You're not the mean girl and we're the yeah. No, it's very obvious who the bigger celebrity is and that would be

Taylor Swift. She's not a dragon. She well I didn't even know if I'd call her Khaleesi because doesn't Khaleesi die? But, um, like she doesn't make it. Yeah, but also it's like Taylor, she did that whole squad and she has a weird relationship with girls. Yeah. She, you know, the story I once heard about Taylor, which I kind of loved, but you know, she was this girl that I think was perceived as a geek

in high school, but had this enormous talent. And because she had confidence and talent to play instruments, and her mom was supporting that, the girls were like, who does this geek think she is, thinking she's going to be the next singer? And they were extremely cruel. So then she becomes a star. And the story goes, the legend goes, that at one time she invites like the whole, invites them all to a show or something.

Only to like show them like, fuck you. Something like that. You know, straight with, I'm in the bleachers and now she's the quarterback's girlfriend, like or whatever he is. So I think in collecting these popular friends, what happens to someone in high school is can affect you so much for the rest of your life,

whether you were the most popular or maybe you were in the middle of the road, but you had one fucked up friendship thing. For me, I have stuff from high school that like haunts me to this day. And like, it's really, it really shapes and you carry that forever, which can make you a more successful person

or can really fuck you up forever. So it's like, yeah, I think that then she collected all these popular, my squad and this and that. I think Blake was one of the cool girls that she collected That she's easily like To yeah replace bring back Gigi Hadid. Yeah, who cares? I'll find some other cool chick

so Megan Markle Oh had her show debut. It's on Netflix. I think there's like- Megan Sussex. Megan Sussex, right. Oh, like Mindy Kaling in the show. So it is a cooking, gardening, crafting show. It's on Netflix.

I watched two full episodes. Same. There's like eight or something. She announced it got a second season. However, I read that they already filmed the second season, which they often do in these shows to be budget friendly. And they film it not at her house, down the street at a similar type Montecito house,

which I don't blame her for that either. Why would you have cameras and everything if someone's like, we can do it down the street? But they have her barefoot. They have her sitting on the ground sometimes, it's supposed to be this imperfect stuff. And she's getting a lot of hate for it about her lack of being authentic.

And I was a Meghan Markle fan in the beginning. I didn't understand the hate. And I felt a kingship with her. She went to an all-girl Catholic high school in LA. She went to a good university, you know, grew up in LA, dad was in the business. And I was just like, God, what is this? Like when she was getting married.

But since then, I understand the hate. I'm gonna explain what the hate is. The hate is coming from women because they don't believe that she deserves these opportunities now. I think she can act. I think she can learn lines. I think she was good on suits.

I think she could act again. I think she was a bad podcaster. And I think people was good on suits. I think she could act again. I think she was a bad podcaster. And I think people were like, why did she get this big podcast that she dialed in and sucked at? And there are so many other women that do this on YouTube or do it at home that know how to cook and do creative things.

And basically she's doing that, acting like she's authentic when she's not. And that's what angers them is that the show is boring and she's boring and she doesn't deserve this opportunity. But I would say in defense of her, of course she's gonna take this opportunity. And this is an easy ass show to do. This is easier than her traveling through different countries

and trying food like Bourdain. This is easier than learning medical dialogue to be an actress in a multicam thing where you have to be there for 12 hours. You literally walk down the street, you're in charge of your own thing, you have some cute friends come on. It's a fucking easy job. It's an easy job and they gave her $100 million and she chose an easy way to make that $100 million and that is what people are angry about.

Yeah. I mean, I don't blame you. I also just think it's the way she tries to be relatable and she's just so not relatable that to me, like makes me roll my eye. I mean, I do agree with you. Like, you know, there are people that, you know, work really hard to build what they have and then there are people like Meghan Markle or Nick Vial, who kind of just capitalize off of what their agent secures

them like a hundred million dollar Netflix deal. But her show is so boring and out of touch when she's just like, but what it is, it's like, like Gwyneth Paltrow, right? She got a lot of hate, but she owns it. She's like, I'm not like you peasants. Like I'm a rich bitch and I don't, I eat. Yeah.

I've never made soup out of a can in my life. Yeah. And I have a J-Dead of my hoo-ha and I'm a rich bitch and I don't I never made soup out of a can in my life Yeah, and I have a jade egg of my hoo-ha and I'm gonna rock it right Yeah, Megan Markle is like oh I'm wearing Zara pants and then you see that she's wearing $50 Zara pants with a $1,500 cashmere sweater on top of that that I'm just like while you're cooking while you're cooking in all white nudes when which remember When she was in the royal family and she was just like oh I only wore nude colors cuz I didn't want to overshadow the queen and wear purple because the queen likes purple or whatever.

So to me, it's like all of the inconsistencies in her story and her just like, I'm Jenny from the block. And it's like, you're not Jenny from the block, you're Jennifer Lopez. And Jenny's not Jenny from the block. Exactly. Jennifer Lopez, she, Hilaria Baldwin, and Blake, they should get together and have a boring off.

And see who could be more inauthentic or boring, I don't know. I wanna take J.Lo out of it honestly, cause I do think she could be more interesting, but I think Blake, Hilaria and Megan are very similar in that they realize what's happening right now in media and that's being authentic and they're not. And so they go these other like, you know, cheating ways to try to be barefoot to talk about, oh, I'm actually not going to make the pretzels. I'm going to put it

in another bag. First of all, I've had people, I just had a girlfriend come over to my house because I bought a new house and she was so sweet and she did make a beautiful basket for me. And she's also hosted a party for me after one of my standup shows. And she does know how to do this shit. And I don't.

So I appreciate people that like to do all that cute shit. I don't even know where you buy bags that are not Ziploc. I have no idea. Okay, whatever, I'm not doing it. Target, they have it. I'm not buying burlap, but I get it, and I think it's cute. And when people have done it for me,

I do truly appreciate it. But was I bored by the shows? Yes, but then I was like weirdly fascinated because I was like, oh my God, so then she has a bee maker, Brandon the Bee Man. And she's like, I have found bees. And then she's like, how long does a bee live for? And they're like, four weeks.

I'm like, well, then you're not a beekeeper because wouldn't you know? She also won't touch the fucking bees. Yeah, and then, and I'm like, first of all, watching that, I'm like, honey should be $85 a jar. Like I had no idea how fucking hard it is to make honey This should be a lot more expensive. Yeah a lot more expensive. So the honey she puts the pretzels You know, and then she's like and Daniel my kids come uncle Daniel. No, they don't know never met Daniel You're gay makeup artist, but you're trying to act like oh they call uncle Daniel and I'm like and she's like and I don't know

If he's gluten-free or not, or I don't know if he's a natural I thought he spent the night at your house. Well, no, how would you not know that? What I love about that is she's like, I'm putting together peanut butter pretzels because Daniel's favorite snack is peanut butter, but let me let me put it in a new bag and then write peanut butter on it just in case he has a nut allergy. And I was like, you just said peanut butter is his favorite snack. And then and then I thought there were all these hints of to combat the rumors that she treats staff horribly.

Like, oh, remember when you didn't even have an agent and you had to find your own makeup artist and you were so loving towards me? Yes. And then when she was like, hey guys, oh, we're breaking the fourth wall. Try a berry. I'm giving you little peasant cameraman a berry.

Also in this article or one of the things I read, the staff is 80 people, 80 people on this crew to make a rainbow of fruit. And they contacted the woman who originated the rainbow of fruit platter. And she knows what to be smart about. She's like, yeah, maybe it was originally my idea. Maybe it wasn't. It's out there. It's who cares. She was classy about it, which is a smart thing to do. Cause she's probably like, I don't know, maybe she'll bring me on. I'm not gonna fucking bash her. So there's all of that.

And then these two girlfriends come on. One is an actress and the other one is some other girl, she's pretty. And she's like, we've been through so much. We've been through so much. What have you been through? Like give us some juice. Nothing, not, oh, remember when we were in New Orleans

and, you know, Tamara ran out of the show? No, there was no juice. There's nothing. And so she's doing that. So then they're, and then they have their tea party with- With nobody. With Mindy Kaling, I think they met on her podcast.

They probably have the same agent. Mindy was like, fuck yeah, I wanna go to Montecito and like see this. And then she puts this weird position where she's like, she's like, my mom loved Taco Bell. And she's like, I don't think people realize that Meghan Markle likes Jack in a Box or whatever it is. And first of all, before she corrected her on the name,

you lived in LA, we've all had Jack in a Box and Taco Bell, you're 40, whatever, three years old, that's not weird. It would be different if maybe Prince Harry said, I love Jack in a Box, I grew up eating Jack in a Box when I was in the, and I hid it from the king. Okay, that's kind of unusual when you have like a full-time chef. No, like, and then she's like, it's so funny that you say, Markle, when my name is Sussex.

And she's like, it's my little family at Sussex, because we all share the same name, which by the way, Mindy Kaling is, you know, an out single mother. We don't know who the father of her kids are, but whatever, she doesn't have a, she doesn't say that there is a present father, okay? Which is great in her choice, Lala Kent, I love it. But I thought that was a little rude. To be like, this is our name, and this is our little family.

Like, if I, I would never say that to my friends who are single moms. Something about it was like a little insensitive of who you're talking to. I think it's because she doesn't even really know Mindy's story. She probably doesn't even know that there's no dad in the picture.

Like it's so, and that's when she referenced her $50 Zara pants with her $1,500 cashmere. And I feel like they asked Mindy to ask that. Like just make sure that you know that she's down to earth and she gives us a berry sometimes and sometimes I you know, I get a bite of the omelet Which was so stupid that that that scene how they open every episode. She's just like oh Mindy's on her way Let me make her a quick omelet. I hope I have eggs and then she opens the first thing Oh, thank god. I have eggs and then she but also you have chickens, right?

She's like, oh, thank God I have eggs. And then she moved. But also you have chickens, right? Like you have the chickens and you have the eggs. Yeah, and how many eggs it is. And yeah, and just the thing I like to do. And I was like, and nobody wants dried flowers on everything, but then someone said that's one of her products.

Where's her products? No, it's gonna be a dried flower thing. Like you would, just like you would like sprinkle red pepper. It's gonna be like you sprinkle. Who's buying that? Not me, I think it looks like crap. I don't want dried flowers on my food. No. So I watched, I was watching it. I have a lot of guilt as being a working mom. And I'm

watching it with Peter, my husband, and I go, I don't know, this sort of makes me sad that I didn't make sandwiches with the crust cut and into stars and stuff like that that. Peter's like, why did you ask your two sons? I mean, neither of them give a shit. And I'm like, oh my God, you're probably right. And then someone's like, you can't do this when there's actually two kids crawling on you. You can't do all these cute things. And then she's like, I just think it's really great that, I think it's really great that my kids get to see

their mom working. They don't get to see you working because you go next door and do it and then you're back. And then, so then she goes on Drew Barrymore, which was two worlds collide. And Drew's like, I want to talk about, cause whenever anybody knows you and Harry, they say you guys are so hot for each other, and I love that, because I have not had sex in nine years.

I've not been on a date, like you always talk about that. So then Megan goes, well, you know, we're both so crazy busy. We're so crazy busy. And between getting up at 6.30 before my kids wake up, every mom does, and making them breakfast, every mom does, and getting them off to school, and then the two of us are just doing crazy meetings and calls, but every day we meet for lunch

just to have a connect. And every day, H and I have lunch together. And I'm like, first of all, I hate that she calls him H. I hate it. And so I was like, I don't know, it really bothered me. And I'm like, I don't know if it's because his mom named him Harry and she's gone and nobody ever called him H and she just calls him H and she calls him, it's one thing to maybe call him age

in the house, but like you're on a talk show. Why won't you just call him Harry? But I get it, they have their thing. So I was talking to my son, Drake, who's 22. And I was telling him why it's bothered me. And I go, if you had a girlfriend and she just started calling you D. Well, no one's ever called you D.

Would that bother you? And he goes, no. And he goes, but if my girlfriend started calling me Drakey Poo, I think that'd be weird because that's what I call it. And I go, all right, maybe you're right. Maybe it's not that weird. So I'm saying, maybe I can, just like Dave Neal said,

I can see both sides. Maybe that's not that weird that she's named him H, but I think it's weird. and to the point where then, Drew brings her a photo of when Drew met Princess Diana and she's holding the E stuffed animal or something, giving it to Diana, and it's a black and white photo and it's cute, and they're like cooking or something, and she's like, I just wanna show you,

she's so excited, Drew's like, I'm so excited to show you this photo of me and Princess Diana. And she's like, you could tell, she was like, oh, look at your little face, not, oh, look how beautiful she was. You know what she loved, meeting all children. I know you were a star, but she was just as lovely

when she went to like villages and I love that you have this photo, like something like that. It was like, like oh look how cute your little faces yeah I'll have to share that with H and it was just like moving on and I was like oh my god and then my other thing in the Drew Barrymore show that drove me crazy is she goes you know when I was in college I was a part-time nanny for two Irish Catholic families. And one of the dads said to me, you know what, Meg?

When you meet your husband, I hope that he remembers to date you throughout your marriage because that's what I do with my wife. Made up story for a few reasons, is what I'm gonna say. As an Irish Catholic person, I like it. I don't like it that the Irish Catholic dad was talking to his 20 year old nanny about who she might marry.

That's fucking weird. And I don't believe the story. And I believe it was a diss to her own dad because she had a dad raising her all through Immaculate Heart, doing all the sets for the plays, paying for Northwestern. And granted her parents worked together, but that's just a weird thing.

And so I think she heard the story of Date Your Wife and wanted to put it in a context and an origin. Like while I was a working college student, I had other father figures that said this to me. I don't believe that story. And Drew was like, I don't think she believed it either. No, and I think that's there's a lot of those stories that she gives. Well, I heard that

the reason she calls him H is because when she first started dating him, it was something to do with like his anonymity. And that would be like his secret, like secret name is H so that nobody knew he was Prince Harry. Well, now you know what? That kind of makes more sense now. I'm gonna give her the break on the age thing. No, but it's one thing to call him age privately, but when you're publicly doing interview, that's what's annoying.

That's what I'm saying, yeah. Is it's like, nobody knows him as age. He's Prince Harry, or you can call him by his name out of respect for your husband when you're speaking about him publicly. And the woman who named him. Yeah. And yes.

So I also heard in a weird interview, and don't know if this is true, that when they were dating, now she said I never even heard of the Royals, whatever. But then college students said, no, she had all the books and loved the stories of Diana, which many of us did. We all loved Diana growing up. And that she wore her perfume on the first date,

the perfume that she would always wear. I think I heard this too. But then when I was reading the comments, no one knew the perfume. So I'm like, this could be a BS story. If we, what is the perfume? Is it, you know, Caroline Herrera? What is it?

Like, I don't know. So that's kind of interesting. And so good for her for getting another show. I'm thinking if they've already filmed next season, it probably won't be a change, but if they hadn't, I would be like, change it up, have someone bring in their favorite recipe and you try to make it or whatever.

But she's such a control freak that I don't think that that would really work. And I think that she is very, like the other thing that I think is that she talks to everybody like they're, like she should be a preschool teacher. She talks to everybody like they're a preschooler and like, okay, but you know what would be better

if you cut it like this and da da da. And I think she is with that, like that with H. And I think with H, that like that with H. Yeah, and I think with H She gently, you know will take his hand and show him what to do And you've seen that in interviews where when she like made fun of the curtsy and he was like horrified There's things like that where he's just like I think they are in love Yeah, I don't you know, I think they're in love, but I think it's a unique relationship. Well, he has mommy issues and she works that out for him.

Like she parents him and tells him what to do and controls that relationship. And she loves having the control and he loves being told what to do. Like it's so obvious that it's, you know, he lacked a mother figure and she fills that role for him, which is why she constantly compares herself to Diana so that she reminds him, I'm just like your mom, and she keeps him under that spell.

And also that story about the Irish Catholic dads giving her, you know, marriage advice. She was married before. Yeah. She was married before to a whole person. Yeah. Did she date that guy? Who she was still married to when she met H. Did they have lunch every day?

No. You know, did they? And then, but like every story is so boring when she's like, you know, what's funny is when I got suits, I thought I was filmed in Toronto. And then, so I spent some time in Toronto and then it got picked up for next season. And then I was in Toronto again.

And it was so funny, cause it's like, am I living in Toronto now? There's nothing funny about that. Like, I don't think I've met a least funny person. Like, has she ever told, like, a remotely funny story? Like, I think she's smart. I don't think she's a mean person. I just think she's an odd bird

that has created false origin stories and things like a lot of stars have, Jay Shetty and whatnot. And then they believe it. And I think he does love her, and I think he definitely doesn't wanna ever break up his family or anything. What are these big meetings? After this deal is done,

there are no other deals in the works. So what big thing, you remember when Harry, his Netflix ideas, oh Harry, his Netflix ideas, oh no, his podcast ideas? Yeah, he wanted to interview Putin and have these sit down. And say, why are you a sociopath or a psychopath and I'm not?

That's what I was like, you're a psychopath and I'm not. Come sit down with, I just saw a commercial, but I never know what is real anymore if it's on TikTok. And it's hinting that King Charles is going to have a podcast. Have you heard this? No. What?

Why? Why not? I mean, what is it going to be? He's going to talk about Amory? At home with me and Camilla. Yeah, it's going to be everything from, I'm sure, politics, charities to housewives, I don't know. Oh, sounds like the Vyophiles. Yes.

So then the dad woke up and my against daddy said, I know when she's faking it for the camera, she's trying so hard to be perfect, that she tenses up every time the camera's on her. I think it's weird that he still is talking negative about her. I mean, he knows he's never gonna meet the kids. I mean, that's probably why he's bitter about it.

He's bitter, and I'm guessing he is getting a little bit of money every time he talks to somebody, like a five grand or something, just to give a quote. Because otherwise, why would you at this point? Because it's not getting you anywhere. You're not getting your own cooking show. It's so interesting that you don't have any- We haven't heard from this sister. Yeah, Simba, well, yeah, she had her book, because it's not getting you anywhere. You're not getting your own cooking show. It's so interesting that you don't have any-

We haven't heard from this sister. Yeah, similar, well, yeah. She had her book, but I feel like it's very similar to Blake Lively, like, right? Nobody from their past is coming out with nice things to say, right? Nobody has any nice, fun stories with them. Even Mindy Kaling, she was promoting her new

Kate Hudson show on Netflix, and she's just like, I'm here to talk about my Kate Hudson show, not about Meghan Markle. And so she like wants to be removed from the narrative. And it's just, it's so interesting that the only people that we do have that are willing to speak out about her are her own family that she's discarded, her sister and her dad,

and they have nothing nice to say about her. Like when was the last time you heard one of Meghan, Serena Williams, why wasn't she on the Meghan show? Cause she was friends. What about all those people that went to the wedding? And the bridal shower, the baby shower. Yeah, where are all those? Remember she had that shower in New York

with all the celebrities. Yeah, where are they? Yeah. And none of them showed up? They're with Taylor Swift not answering the calls. Yeah. And then what about candle making? I'm like, what fourth grade field trip

at the San Fernando mission? Am I fucking on right now? Cause this is like something I can, I'm like, what fourth grade field trip at the San Fernando mission am I fucking on right now? Because this is like something I can like my worst. And it was the wax from the bees. She's like, let me recycle the bee wax. As someone who doesn't cook, I actually love watching like cooking shit. Yeah. And I keep thinking like I'll do it. And this was, so this happened over the weekend. James Kennedy came out and he performed for the first time in a while since his arrest

and dismissal of domestic violence and of random prompt rules. And he took a photo with the Tate brothers who are both very problematic, awful. I don't even wanna get into it. So he took a photo with him and then what happened? So he took the photo he posted today, he said, that's a Bitcoin,

which was obviously a reference to when Raquel gave him the ring back at the reunion a couple of seasons ago. And then I guess there was so much backlash and people were like, oh my gosh, because the Tate brothers are very controversial. So then he issued a statement and he's just like, oh, sorry, I didn't know who they were. I just thought they were like podcasters.

And everyone was like, what? Like, how do you not know who they are? So then one of the brothers, so I guess it's Andrew and the other brother is Tristan Tate. I kind of believe that he might not know who they are. I kind of do. Okay, I don't. It's after a show.

I don't know who they are. And I even know not to take a selfie with them and post it on Instagram. Yeah, I wouldn't have posted it. Like I know enough about them. I understand how sometimes you have to take a photo with someone, but you don't have to post or repost. Right. And so he did that and then he issued a statement.

He's like, I did my research and I condone their behavior like the whole PR talk. And then the Tate brother came out and he's just like, that's bullshit. He sat with us and talked to us for 30 minutes. He called us heroes and he very much knew who we were. So for him to have to educate himself on who we are, like he didn't just think we were a podcast host that was a fan of Vanderpump rules, which is what he said in his statement. I just thought they were Vanderpump rules fans and I wanted

to take a photo with that like bullshit. Again, even I don't know any I didn't even know that the second Andrew Tate brother had a name. So the fact that I know enough about them to not want to take a selfie with them and post about it, because that's obviously gonna set the internet on fire and I'm very good at doing that already. And this is one move I would not make. He knew better than this. And you know right now he's crying to Lisa,

oh Lisa, and he's like, you know, because he's so stupid, especially- James, you can't be taking photos with people that are problematic. And you got to ask. Don't I mean, just do you get your turntables and shut the fuck up? Well, especially because, like you said, he was the charges were dismissed against him. So lucky. Yeah. And he has his gig back.

Everybody forgot like everybody was moving on at this point. And this is the one thing he decides to do and it's like oh my god speaking of which the valley is coming back for the second season and Jax did an interview with Alex Baskin and he talked about his addiction and Brittany went on her podcast which she used to do with with him. Now it she's got control of it. And I listened to it. Kristen Doty was with her, also cast on The Valley. And it was great. She was like, there are 31 lies I counted that I have written down in the Alex Baskin podcast, but I'm only going to mention a few. And basically, you know, he has partied and then come home and yelled at her and been

hungover and verbally abused her for years, has not been very difficult to co-parent with. And we are gonna see it all on the Valley. And she believes that's why he wanted to jump ahead of it, which is what I said, do this interview, let people know that he's like, I have had an addiction with cocaine and alcohol on and off for 20 years. I am sober now, 100 days. And so anything you're gonna see on the show,

just know that that's not who I am. And she's like, it still is who he is. As far as she doesn't know, she's not talking on a sobriety, but just difficulty dealing with him is still there. And I just think it's great that, I think this is a great show. And I think it is great that this is her livelihood.

She is showing it. And I think it will be very helpful for young parents to see what it's like her struggling with her, being a single parent with a child that needs special appointments and things like that. And then also dealing with an ex when your child has all these extra appointments. So it's already hard enough to dealing with an ex. When your child has all these extra appointments, so it's already hard enough to deal with an ex

when it's just, then you throw in narcissism ego, 20 years on a reality TV show, recovering alcoholic, TV fame, and a toddler. Like all of it, and dating other people, is gonna be interesting to watch for sure. I agree, and I think that this adds like a more compelling layer to the show, whereas last season it was all, we're all couples

and we're just working with our babies and we exchanged bottle service for baby bottles. But like this adds like a real layer of like, what it's like raising a family in the valley and having an ex that you have to deal with and Especially in the valley like I mean coke heads are a dime a dozen and I love how Alex Baskin in the interview that he's like Yeah, I just want to be and we had no idea I was like the viewers knew you're telling none of the producers knew that Jack's had an issue with substance abuse

Brittany said not until she called the producers the the PR person, and his sister and said, y'all better do something about this. And so she said, not until she believes, Jack felt his career, his job was in jeopardy, did he then go back to the rehab. Cause he went the first time and left after 17 days. Then he went back this next time, which seems to have been successful according to him.

And, you know, and when I said I had Lala on and she attested to Britney fucking, like tears in her eyes, proud of her friend and what she's been through and said, I can attest that, you know, Jack's isn't there and blah, blah, blah. And I cut a little clip of that, put it out. And I got theest that, you know, Jax isn't there and blah, blah, blah. And I cut a little clip of that, put it out. And I got the text messages,

just like Kristen Doty goes, I know I'm gonna get these text messages. And I go, okay, I'm taking it down, Jax, because I thought in my being 20 years older than these people and I have many friends who have gotten divorced and many friends who've had to co-parent with assholes, I was like, oh shit, is this video gonna spark him

fighting with her and I don't wanna ever cause more pain for her. But in turn, she DM'd me or texted me and was like, I'm so sorry that he's not telling the truth and I'm fine and this isn't true and da da da da. And so it's kind of great that he went on the podcast so that she could now, now she's like, now I'm free. Now I'm free to say whatever, because for all this time

and in the first season, he kept making it look like she was a boozer. And she had the problem. That she was a boozer da da da da and him being like, you're sick, you're out here. Now she's like, I don't have stomach issues anymore. I'm not sick because she was a boozled and him being like, you're sick, you're out here. Now she's like, I don't have stomach issues anymore. I'm not sick because she was a bag of nerves because she had a home and a business

and their business is being a couple. They have a small child. She did love him. She is that traditional girl. So it really took her the moment, the strength to leave, which is also something that I hate it when someone's like, you knew who you were marrying. Why didn't you?

I'm like, just shut up. Like, just watch it in support and be grateful that she's sharing her journey to maybe help you see something or try to fix it before it gets to the point of that. You know? It was good. No, I agree. And listen, one thing about the Vanderpump people,

I mean, I guess with now exception for Ariana, which piggybacking off the James Kennedy thing, I heard she unfollowed him, because you know, she does everything for the audience. But so I- She unfollowed James? Yeah. Because she just wanted to be associated with David.

Right, and James was a big cheerleader for her. Yeah. Yeah. But like, it's so, all of these cast members, like they, I think because they lived their 20s, or I guess they were 30, but they lived their 30s so openly in, when they had nothing,

that that's all they know how to do, is live their life in front of the cameras in that way, that it just, like, watching the Brittany and Jackson at all this season is gonna be really interesting, and I don't think they hold anything back. No, I mean, I agree. And then what was funny is someone sent me that some of these sites, which I said,

don't believe everything you said on the internet, put me as a cast member in the Valley. Cause there's thirst bucket, I guess, went to too many Vanderpump Valley shows. Were you not at Ocean's party over the weekend? No, I was not at Ocean's party. Were you invited to Ocean's party over the weekend? No, I was not. I talked to Lala about it and she's, cause I go, oh, you know, I've been to Ocean's party over the weekend? No, I was not at Ocean's party. Were you invited to Ocean's party over the weekend? No, I was not.

I talked to Lala about it and she's, cause I go, oh, I've been to Ocean's parties. And she goes, you know, this next one is just gonna be like, I go, don't even worry about it. I had a very busy weekend. I'm moving into this new house and it's been taking so long to figure out TVs and stuff. And then what popped into my mind

was when I interviewed Caitlyn Jenner, and when Caitlyn and Chris broke up before she came out as Caitlyn, she was very complimentary to Kris Jenner. And she said, when we decided that I found this place, and within 24 hours, Chris had her team come. Every TV worked, every remote worked. It was all furnished.

There was food in the fridge. And I'm like, God, I want Chris Jenner as an ex-wife. I was like, can I have a Chris Jenner just come move me in? I talked about there's a scene from Brady Broderick, there was a scene in that movie where she moves in all in one day and the husband comes home and she's like, we're all moved in and there's a pot roast. I'm like, oh my God, push that. But no, I did not.

So okay, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. What are you thinking about this season? It's fine. It's had moments. It's, I don't know. I mean, it's the only house, I feel like they've all been pretty bad lately, but it's fine.

We have a lot of Sutton this season that I don't really need. We have a lot of Sutton. This is the lineup for the reunion. So it's Kyle and Doreet, which I think is good. And then Sutton and Boz. I guess Boz needs to be next to Dreet. Then Garcelle and Erica. I love Erica.

I think she's coming off great, but she doesn't have much of her own drama, so that's fine. Jennifer Tilly and Cathy. Yeah. You're right, it's kind of boring. So do you think that Lisa, what about when Lisa Ren is like, people say it's like the fucking Titanic.

I was like, no, it's not. And then I was like, I think housewives overall is like the Titanic and Beverly Hills is like the part of the Titanic that hasn't gone under yet. It's holding on. It's holding on. They haven't hit the water yet. But it is it is like the Titanic. Like the ship is sinking.

Like I don't know. As much as I love Bravo, I don't know how much longevity they have. Like how long is Andy Cohen going to be able to carry this on his back? Well, okay, speaking of which, here's a little rumor I heard last week. And then you and I hear rumors. And we've done this a few times where I'm like, have you heard about this? And you're like, I don't know. Is it this? Yes, it is. Can we talk? So I heard a rumor, not a lot of details to this rumor,

that come April, there is gonna be some announcement that Andy will be stepping down. I don't know if that means immediately in April or like in the next year, there'll be a transition and we're just letting you people know. I don't know if that means he'll only do the reunion, but not watch what happens live, or if it'll just mean I'm just doing the radio show

and I'm leaving all this behind and I'm gonna do a talk show in the morning, I don't know. But I would say this, if it's because he thinks there's greener grass doing a brand new show, I'm going to say Andy, do not leave and Bravo Peacock, don't let him go

because nobody wants him replaced. Nobody wants to see some young buck, girl or guy replace them on Watch Robbins Live. And I would say if the idea is, oh, but his kids are growing older, he wants to spend more time with them, I disagree as a working mom doing a weekly show

and I was not the host, so I did not have the freedom you have. It is not a hard job. And you could tape it earlier in the day, and you could tape it four shows in two days, or whatever it is. Which is kind of like what he does now, no? Yes, you could do all that, and then you could change the times if you want,

you could do it at noon, it wouldn't fucking matter. And it doesn't matter that it's called live, it doesn't have to be live, it never is live. And that's what I would say. And the only reason I would think that this is going to happen, is A, he didn't think it through. Yeah.

Okay. So maybe he can change his mind. Or there's some thing that between him and the powers that be have agreed to this because there is some disgruntled somebody that has been shushed in return of him leaving, which these are just my thoughts based on a very light rumor that I have heard. Yeah, and I heard the same, we had heard it when we had talked last week.

And I mean, my understanding was the announcement is coming in April, but we don't know what, and all I got was he's stepping down, but I didn't get follow-up details as to what stepping down. And it could be a hundred percent room rely that someone started, like there's not a lot to it. Yeah, I will say it does,

the person that I heard it from, I don't believe would make this up, but maybe the information they got was- Wasn't totally true either. Correct. Yes, uh-huh. So, but I mean, maybe it's gonna be like, this is the final season of Watch What Happens Live, cause like, or maybe, I mean, it could even be, this is the final season of Watch What Happens Live,

because like, or maybe, I mean, it could even be like, maybe they're gonna move Watch What Happens Live to Peacock and like try to reinvent it, you know, the same way Chelsea left E to go to Netflix, like do some sort of, I don't know. I also heard there's big announcements as far as in April being some new shows and some goodbye, like, you know, like I've heard there's a spinoff

for Teresa, like I've heard there's a spinoff for Teresa. Yeah. Like with her family. Yeah. And I've, you know, is that true? Is, you know, there's a day people have said, oh, I've noticed a lot of different housewives have been coming to LA for meetings.

So is there another version of Ultimate Girls Trip, maybe a whole new formula that they're trying to do, or is there gonna be another episode of their Love Island with four single housewives? That's supposed to be coming out, I don't know. More like one-off shows where they utilize all of them. Smart to utilize their legacy talent is they try to figure out what new shows

they really wanna build up, like The Valley. I hope they don't do another, remember when they did that talk show with Brandi Glanville and like who was on it? Giselle Bryant was on it. It wasn't Brandi, it was Kate Chastain. Oh Brandi wanted to be on it, it was Hannah and Kate Chastain. Yeah, and there was a COVID thing

and it was just kind of a disaster, but it was cheap. But also Watch What Happens Live, in my opinion is not an expensive show. No. What makes an expensive show. What makes an expensive show is having a real live audience of like 180 people. They don't have that, so that keeps the cost down. It's not a ton of producers. Oftentimes they don't have to pay for someone to fly out.

They've got a lot of people in New York to fill it. They have all these big stars that want to come on now that didn't want to come on five years ago. Like, yeah, I don't think the show, even if the show dipped a little, they're not gonna, why would we get rid of the show? There's no reason to get rid of the show. Unless he really is burnt on it, which I would say get unburnt.

Get unburnt, Andy. Don't make a mistake of someone I know that made a mistake and left a very easy show thinking that it would be that that it would just keep on coming. Yeah. Like you can also have guest hosts. Yeah. You could have guest hosts for a couple of weeks while you leave. Just don't give up that anchor because you could do this till you're 75. It's easy. I mean, look at Dick Clark did, you know, New Year's rockin' eve until he rocked it to the grave

that like Andy can totally do that. I mean, God, I mean, you've only had me on your show twice in 15 years and I'm still trying to save your ass. I don't know why I don't get more respect to the Bravo world, but clearly I don't. Anyway, that's what I think. Are they gay or not? It's a lifelong question.

Kyle and Morgan. And will we ever find out? I have given my opinion about 8,000 times and it has occasionally changed. What is yours? Have you heard anything? I've never heard anything definitive. I've, well, yeah, I've heard that.

Oh, no, actually I have heard that they are. Yeah, I've heard that they are together. But I mean, I don't know. Like, I know, actually I have heard that they are. Yeah, I've heard that they are together. But I mean, I don't know. Like I don't understand the point of keeping it secret. Like the only reason people are interested is because we don't have an answer. And that's the only reason they're still interested. Okay, so what about this?

What about taking Sutton's side is that she is not jealous of Mauricio being with anybody. That they had, the reason they get along so well is that they have a good understanding that this open marriage has been like this for a while and she's got her girlfriend and he's got whoever. And they're playing up the sadness and everything for a storyline, hence why they're not getting divorced.

And hence why nothing definitive has happened because it's not necessary. I could also see them playing it up for their daughters. Like they don't want their kids to know that they fool around and aren't, you know, loyal to each other. And that's why they have these moments with the daughters and it feels real because it probably is real and they have to keep up the facade for the kids.

Yeah. Like they don't want poor, she'd be like, yeah, my mom's now a lesbian and my dad bangs 19 year old TikTokers, you know, like it's embarrassing to them, but I would understand why they would keep that guys up. Cause even Kathy was kind of when, in this week's episode of the show, she's like, we've heard the rumors for a long time.

Like she was really dragging Mauricio. Well, she fucking hates him. She hates him. Because when he was selling, you know, leisure suits or whatever, and Kyle left her Arabian prince husband and was single and met him at the Gate nightclub. And they were living in a two-bedroom apartment

with little Farah and the new baby. And she's like, why don't you guys get your real estate license? And he worked for Hilton and Hyland. And I'm sure they handed them listings, just like we see the tiny twins give to the little Barbie girls. And then, you know, and then,

but then the opportunity came because of Housewives and they said, do you wanna be the face of this agency? A lot of people think that he owns the agency. He is the CEO in the face of it. And maybe he has a stake in some of the franchises, but it's a franchise like McDonald's, you know? And so they can pop up offices. I could, you know, if I had my broker's license,

I could open an agency. Like it's, so I think it still is a sore spot for Kathy. But, and also her knowing that he wasn't that great of a husband. And I think it's pretty clear that Rick has been a very loyal husband. There's never been one fucking story about them. So it's like...

Or did they just have enough money to pay him off? Like she said, because she's like, Maurizio's not in a position to pay anybody off. I think, yeah. Like how big are those settlements? I think Cathy and Rick really are that couple that just have their understanding and their life at the Cheesecake Factory.

And he thinks she is a hoot. I remember the first time I met him, he's like, my wife, Kathy, she does impressions. And you gotta see her, like they're good. And now we don't see him a lot because she probably knows, I don't want him being picked apart. He's an older man now and he's been such a delight.

Like, I don't need to expose him. It's not gonna, you want me, you can have me, you know, talk about potatoes and screw up. Like that fashion show thing was so fake. Yeah. Like, you know, but it's funny though, cause she was like, I know she thought in her head, wouldn't it be funny if I said,

why don't you have Doreen, your arc enemy, go try to emcee the thing. And it was weird. I don't know that she meant to walk out right before the show, but she obviously went to go fluster and piss off Sutton. Yeah. And would you know Sutton did something to her that week that she decided she was going to get her feathers all in a ruffle. Or she's just like, if I'm going to show up, I'm going to be featured. So whatever it is, I'm going to say hunky dory. I'm going to say a weird thing. But if I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna be featured. So whatever it is, I'm gonna say hunky dory, I'm gonna say a weird thing,

but if I'm gonna get my makeup person over here and I'm gonna film, it's gonna be- At Sutton's fashion show, yeah. It's gonna be a worth it moment. And that's what's great about her. Yeah, I mean, and Dorit- She brings it. Dorit calls it out and Erica calls it out.

They're just like, she's not dumb. Like she's smart and she knows what she's doing. And I agree. I mean, I do think that when the fashion show started, like she really was kind of caught off guard that I don't think she was expecting the show to start as quickly, but her ruffling Sutton's feathers walking up

through the middle, like you could walk around the back. Like she strutted right through that. Like she knew exactly what she was doing there. Yeah, like she's like, why are you identifying as like an elderly dementia patient when you're not? Like I don't get it, but whatever, you look good. People love it. This has been, what do we think they're really

getting divorced to read in PK? What do you think's happening? I think he's over her. I don't think she wants anything to do with her anymore. 100%, it's done. Yeah, and I think that's why Kyle and him are probably so close as they realize she has changed since the show started and she's a completely

different person and she's probably blowing things up with his drinking. Like that's an example of what you don't do. Like with Britney's doing where she kept Jacks' stuff concealed until finally she let him do it and then she blasted it all. Right. That's one way to go.

Doree, I just, I don't know. Yeah, I think they're done too. I love always having you on. Thank you for being such a delight as always. Tell everybody where they can get more of you. All over the internet, Zack Peter, no filter with Zack Peter, the podcast. All over the worldwide web.

Just type in the name. You find me everywhere. I'm an international lifestyle brand, like Sonia Morgan. Coming out with the toaster oven soon. Meghan Markle style. No, yeah, Zach Peters. No filter with Zach Peters, the podcast. Streams Monday through Friday mornings.

Yes, and thank you for bringing it. You're always so fun to talk to. Love you. Thank you.