Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Jaime King on Hollywood Secrets, White Chicks and Super Models

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Actress, Director, Producer and model Jaime King is here! I first met Jaime when she played “Heather” in White Chicks. We had fun on set then but even more fun on Juicy Scoop. We get into how at 14 she became a professional fashion model traveling the world living a very adult life. She shares how she transitioned into acting. We discuss the making of White Chicks and how her friendship with Paris and Nicky has affected her life. She also shared very personal information that no one knows. So Juicy! enjoy! Use code JUICYSCOOP at https://jonesroadbeauty.com to get a Free Cool Gloss with your first purchase! #JonesRoadBeauty #ad Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/9l268n36 #CashAppPod  As a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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hannah mcdonald juicy scoop hello and welcome to juicy scoop i am so excited to talk to my friend actress of screen television so many things jamie king mostly white chicks but that's like the only movie I've really done but no I was so excited that you could come on today thank you welcome thank you I'm so happy to be here I love you there's we've been seeing each other at like Kathy Hilton parties yes and I kept saying okay you gotta come you gotta come on

and yes I was just like I forgot how many how many movies you have done let's just start for the beginning where did you like when did you you start getting in the business? How old were you when you first started working in it? I, well, in the film industry, I did my first movie when I was 19. And previously to that, I was in fashion. And I always knew that I wanted to be a filmmaker. So, and also to learn everything that I could about the art form, which meant that I had to get up Nebraska. So I loved home. So you were, oh, so you were raised in Nebraska? Yes. And so were you modeling first? Yes. Oh, okay. Were you like discovered or if in Nebraska you knew how to get an agent?

Well, I read it in the local newspaper that if you got an agent or went to a modeling school, then fancy people from other places would come to you. And I was always starving very, very hungry for information. And I felt like I was just not getting that information that I wanted as an artist in Omaha at that time. So you were just living like a normal Nebraska in life going to high school. but you just had a desire to do this. Always, yeah. Oh, that's so cool.

Always. And so when you would tell, you just told your parents, like, I'm going to be a movie star, and they're like, what was the reaction? I don't think my parents ever quite knew what to do other than the fact that I was so determined to do something. You know what I mean? And so I figured that the best way to learn and gather information that I wanted to learn was to go through the route of, okay, please save money for me so I can go to model

school. Then I get to meet people from other cities. Then I'll get it. It was like very pre-planned out. So you actually went to a modeling school and it wasn't a scam. No, it was not a scam at all. I was 12 and they were sending me straight to Miami, you know, with elite and then then to New York and yeah, at 13. Oh, okay. So then is that when you're like going to traditional school stopped? Or were you still able to go to school? I was going to a traditional school. I was going to a traditional school then I was supposed to go to gifted school but I did not want to do that and so I went over this summer with my mom and then went to go back to school shopping kind of thing and I was like oh my God I can't like and then the agent called my agent called and was like listen your kid can

either be doing this and doing correspondence courses or she can just sit in Nebraska and be completely depressed he didn't say that but that inside of me I'd be like like oh god yeah and so when you were that young doing like high fashion stuff was did you have a chaperone or was your did your mom have to like did you have other siblings that she had to leave to be with you or how did that work my mom would come to as much as she could but I had other I have other siblings so she had to do that and so they would put me with chaperones that were not really in my opinion chaperones you know I have a lot to say about the industry, not just negative things because I love it very much. I got to learn from literally the

best of the best designers, artists, people. I would never have changed it. However, you know, as I got older, I really wanted laws to be implemented, you know, after I left the fashion industry because there were no laws to protect minors. But long story short, which they now do have, thank God. By the time I turned 18, I had saved all the money that I needed. I quit at the height of my career and everyone thought I was as a fashion model. Yeah, local. They're like, what are you doing? So you had big campaigns, magazine covers. Yeah. And, you know, just going back a minute about for children working, you know, when they did make the laws in American history, the kids couldn't be working at factories and there were child labor laws.

Truly, the only business a child can work in is the entertainment industry. It's the only one that's legal. They cannot be making clothes. They cannot be, you know, picking strawberries or working in a field or working in a factory. Or even working at a yogurt shop or whatever until they are of a certain age except for entertainment. Yes. Yes. Where they're just around adults and where there's all this pressure that,

It doesn't matter, I think, like, you know, if you've got the teacher and you have the proper hours, it's still this weird thing that, like, if you're the, if you're Miley Cyrus, like, you're Hannah Montana. If you don't want to come to work, they're like, oh, I guess 200 people are out of work today. Like, who says that to a kid? You know what I mean? They do. I know. Our industry does. Our industry does.

Even if you're an adult, it's the same thing. Right. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter. And so when you were modeling, were there. Were there times that just was too much for you at a young age of just that kind of pressure? Yes, I think so for sure. I mean, I guess I had a different way.

I learned how to cope with it because at that age, your brain's not even fully developed. So I just, I wanted to learn how to be as responsible as possible, though I longed to be close to my family, knowing if I would go back and be close to my family, I would be longing for something else. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I was like one of the youngest kids around the supermodels that I wanted to be. So were you like traveling to Europe and all these places?

Yeah. And like doing like a fashion week. What is that even like? What is, because you see now like everyone go to fashion week and all that. And I'm like, does it, I feel like it's very different today than it was 20 years ago. Oh, in the 90s and fashion, it was bonkers. Yeah. And when it was really the super.

And glamour, supermodels, you know, just it was exquisite. And also, you know, it was a lot of, a lot of work, but a lot of, like, just extraordinary beauty. So it would be you go to, from New York to London, London to Milan, Milan to Paris for a week at a time. And during that time, it's different than now. Like, then it was, like, basically the same crew of people, you know. So we were all on this journey together, per se. And then, so that would be twice a year for prediporte and then couture as well. So like you're spending your whole life like on, you know, obviously traveling and that's not including shoots.

But some of the most magical times I had was that. I mean, talk about life lessons. And did, were there young girls that would get with like the older guy that had a new model every year? I always feel like there's always that older, like famous photographer that then falls in love with the young impressionable model. Like, did you see relationships like that? Absolutely. Yeah. But I fell in love with someone that was basically my age.

Who was that? David Serenti. David Serenti. Oh, okay. Yeah. And how long were you guys dating together? We were dating until he passed away. Oh.

But his and his brother, he passed from a disease called talisemia, sickle cell. Oh. And what was beautiful about that is that we got to go through this industry together and document it all. So we were like street kids, skaters, love music, and suddenly were propelled into this high fashion world, you know, coming from really nothing to suddenly making extraordinary amounts of money. And his brother, Mario Sorrenti, was already like a huge, huge, huge, and still is, photographer. And I met Davidae when I just turned 14 on one of my first campaigns, which was for Benetton. Oh, wow. Yeah.

And so that was like your first boyfriend. Yeah. And now how did you handle managing these big paychecks and money where you weren't taken advantage of and how did you do that? Well, I never knew. Yeah. I couldn't write a check until I was 18. So what would you do just pass it on to your? So the money goes essentially into a bank, but you can't even access it necessarily.

You have a business manager that can access it, and then they do all of the business management for you. And so it's a very, I'll never forget going into the bank after I turned 18 and wanting to cry because no one taught me how to fill out a check. Like I didn't even know how to do that thing, you know, but yet I was responsible. like I had all of this money, like, like a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, like crazy money. And, you know, it was just, that's a trippy thing to think about, right? Like, you can't have a banking house until 18 at that time. And so were you, like, what were you doing with all the money?

Were you just saving it? Were you setting it to your family or what? I was saving it. I would save it. I saved it. I would send it to my family in terms of, like, like my sister, like whatever she needed for college or like, you know, just, you know, whatever my family needed, absolutely, but they didn't, it wasn't asked of me like that.

You know what I mean? My family didn't ask that of me. It'd be more like, oh, my sister's in Colorado and, you know, she just started school and I really want her to have like a car that fits for Colorado. You know what I mean? That kind of thing, you know? Yeah. Nice.

Okay, so you said it, so then you said at 18, you wanted to stop the modeling because you had a desire to act or what was it i always had i always wanted to be a filmmaker but by the time i turned 18 i knew that i had saved the amount of money that i wanted and honestly i just wasn't learning anything anymore i got to learn from the best best best best people literally the greatest designers the greatest people and i when i'm not feeling like i'm still learning if i feel like i've gone to excellence in that area or mastered that area it's like okay now is it's like now is the time. And so I

a writer reached out. His name is Daniel Waters. And he is, it was so crazy because he's one of my favorites. He wrote a film called Heather's that I loved so much growing up. Oh, yeah, I love that. So he wrote that and saw my picture in a

magazine and wrote a film called Happy Campers, which is basically like a modern retelling of a Midsummer's Night's Dream. And And so he wrote a part for me. So I kept flying out here to audition. It was like Mike DeLuca, Denise de novo, we're producing.

And I got the part. It was such a fun thing. It was Justin Long, Peterstrom, Mayor, Brad Renfoe. I mean, like, the cast was insane. And so was that, like, really the first time, did you work with an acting teacher? I mean, was it hard for, or was it just a natural thing? Did you know how to properly audition for, like, an acting role at that point? No, I didn't have an acting teacher at that time.

And so it was, but it was not scary for you? You know what it's like, Heather? It's like when you don't know that you have something to lose, you're so much freer in it. It's so much easier to tell the truth in the moment just being the character and being yourself because you don't have this like thing about like, oh, if you fuck up, you know. Right. You know, like, you just, tis, and you're in trouble.

Like, I didn't have any of that. It was just, it was meant to be, and I was disciplined about it, you know. So you loved being on set and doing that movie. But the first time, the first day, I was like, the director called Action, and I looked at Justin, and I was like, what do I do? And he's like, you act, now you act. And I was like, okay. Like, there's, you know, the basic terminology. Like, obviously, I've heard action my whole life, but it was like, I kind of froze, and I was like,

And I was just so caught up in the movie magic of it. It was just so cool. Yeah. And that felt a lot different than when you were just like wearing the clothes, doing the photo shoots, having the music and the wind blowing your hair. Like, was that what it was like when you were just modeling? Because I always just think, when I ever I think of that, like growing up, I was always like, oh my God, like I would be so amazing to be a model.

And then like when I would have to do a photo shoot just for myself for stuff, I was like, I can't wait for this to be over. This is so much less fun. And I used to just think, oh, for someone to do my hair and makeup and like, you know, and have the fan go. But it actually is not that fun. I don't think everybody's meant for it because Christina Ritchie was telling me, like, she's like, it's so much easier for me to just be in character.

She was feeling nervous about going to a photo shoot that day. And she's like, I just don't want to be myself. I don't want to, like, you know what I mean? It's so much harder. to do that thing. I mean, with modeling or in fashion shoots, you still, because it is a collaborative effort, you can still get into that zone

and you're just like, oh, this is dope. Like, this is amazing, you know? Yeah. Like, because you can create a character. I don't know if I'd feel the same way if it was flip-flopped, you know? Yeah. And, but that need for artistic expression

and collaboration went way farther. You know, that's why I needed to, I always knew, you know. So then once you did that, then you were all in the role. Like, then were people putting up for parts? And then was the next big thing that you did was that the Pearl Harbor? It was Blow. Then Pearl Harbor.

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It was all true to that time. So they would set your hair like the way they did the olden days? And you sit there for five hours and I'd be like, you know what? It's worth it. Because when I go on that screen and when I walk off this, I'm just going to look amazing. Amazing. It was so great.

I didn't understand really what the big deal was when I got cast in it. Because I didn't know who those people were. And that's another thing, a great thing about, you know, going into rooms where it's not this crazy, intense, like, oh, I'm walking in front of Michael Bay or Jerry Rockham or, like, I didn't know. And so in that time, kind of ignorance was bliss because I could just be present, like fully present. And when I auditioned, I auditioned for the role that Kate Beckinsale plays, but I was too young for it. and so I was very lucky because they wanted me to still do it and so I got to write that part with Michael Bay

because originally it was like one line and so they made it work and they're like this is the biggest budget movie of all the time I was like fantastic I have no idea what you're talking about and then I got there it's like so extravagant and so on purpose so at the same time

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there's not like you know actual planes like 50 million planes and strafing lines and shodagh or like, you know, $250,000 a shot. You know what I mean? It was like, it was a real... It was extraordinary. Yeah. And also you just, you have that classic look, too. Like, you have that, like, you do look like you could have come out of, like, the 1940s.

So I think that's probably the appeal, too, of choosing you for the role. Oh, thank you. You know, there's just certain, like, classic-looking people, like, oh, you look like you come from a different era. Okay, so let's get into now white checks, because this was obviously, A big comedy, had you done much comedy before they called you into, for this role? I'd done a couple of films that were comedy, but I love comedy so much. And I was like, you know what? I set the intention inside of myself.

I was like, I want to work and learn from the best of the best of the best of the best. And to me, they are the best of the best of the best of the best of the best. And so I went into the audition and I auditioned. And also Lisa Beach is just a genius casting director. I went into the audition and I auditioned for the role that Jennifer Carpenter Oh, for one of the girlfriends. Yeah, we're just, I'm so fat. That's the part I wrote.

No way. So that part, which was the, that is based on my friend Stacy, who is my sorority sister, we're still friends today, is when we would like be getting dressed, she would be like, look at this, like, oh, hello. And she'd like take like a little squirt of fat the way we all are awful, right? You know, and being like, I'm back fat, Betty, I'm da-da-da. And so then when I was working on the film and, you know, we decided he's like, yeah, you know what? We should have a scene where they're trying on clothes because his sister had come into Keenan's house where they were working on the movie.

We were writing the movie. And I was just a contributing writer, you know, it was like they already had sold a show and everything. And I was working on another movie. And I saw as I was waiting for them to come work on this other movie that we were writing. I saw like the whatever, it wasn't deadline at the time, but it was whatever actual printed about this movie that they called White Chicks and how it was like based on Paris and Nikki and like this whole thing in the Hamptons. And I was like, well, can I, when you guys are ready to write this one, can I help write this

one? Because I mean, I am a white chick. Like, I mean, you should have one on the staff. Yeah, absolutely. And so, and so then anyway, she came in and I had these pants on and she. she was like, oh, are those the Mark Wong-Nark pants or something? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I get him on that at that store on third street. And I go, isn't that girl?

I go, that girl's always there to help, but she's kind of annoying. And we talked about how like, someone keeps coming in and keep, and you're like, I got it. Like, just like, give me a minute. Like I just. And so then he goes, oh, my gosh, we have to have a scene where they try on clothes. Yes. And then you go off and write it. And so then I wrote those parts.

And then they were nice enough to be like, okay, we're get, we were able to get you to come to Canada to play the part of the sales girl but when in doing the parts so so they wanted you to be one of the the friends the three friends of the wilson the fake wilson sisters first because you were one of the real wilson sisters so you went out for that part first and then they thought you were a better match or what happened i i went in and i did that and i went like way over the top in the best way and so they're like hold on we like said i outside like sit outside like we want to talk for a sec and then they asked me to come back in and improv for for you know the girls the real the real girls and and you guys were like really

so perfect you and brittany you look like you could be sisters and friends and all that and i remember when i was there filming and it was fun to like hang out with you guys and i remember you guys did the dance and Keenan goes it's too good yes he's like this isn't funny you guys are too good and you guys had spent like a week doing like this whole working out this

whole routine I didn't know that anybody knew that yeah no I remember I was like there when he's like it's too good he's like it has to be like not good I'd be like horny yeah and so that's when they had you guys like frustrated and being like doing those dorky moves

and that was you remember he's like What are the widest moves you can do? Yeah. And we're like, uh, the running man, like the sprinkler. Right. Yeah. But because we all had rhythm. He was like, yeah.

Right. Yeah. It was so fun. Yeah, you guys could all like dance really well. And so that was, that was really funny how then that came back about. But that was fun. That was like, because I got to Coke twice. I went once in the beginning to just like work on like the final bits of the writing.

And then I came back to do my seat. and um yeah and who would have thought like that it was that it just like lives in infamy and like people all the time are like oh my god yeah now more than ever yeah more than ever when it's like i'm like whoa this was not just ahead of its time yeah it's like a the social commentary of it is bonkers right you know yeah and i think that like and i remember like how some jokes were written like so they they'd have like always some like some other younger writers whether they were nephews or whatever come in and I can't remember who this was but like he was like okay picture jokes and this one guy goes oh you know the thing once you go black you never go back he's so then this one of you goes so I thought you know once you go back once you go black you ought to put a wheelchair and he goes and then I just thought it'd be funny if a white girl came buying a wheelchair and was like hi yes hi and like that's just like how that's just like how how those jokes would come about. And we were all, like, dying, laughing.

So funny. There's so much improv, too. Yeah, just a little, like, subtle, funny. Oh, yeah, tons of improv with you guys. But which started from the seeds of every idea that you guys did, you know? It was just, like, more like, okay, getting pushed to go further, further with it. Yeah. Everyone was so amazing on that.

And just paint, what was it like to just, like, play such a rich bitch? I had to approach it like I wasn't a bitch. Yeah. and what's just that I was we were right and they were really mean and being that it was really it was really based on Paris and Nikki because at the time they were in you know page six and I don't think about these two girls that were dancing on tables in the Hamptons and that's kind of where they got the idea and then and then they wanted to do and then it was actually Sean's idea that they would be two you know black guys that pretend to be white women and then they

they were like, well, let's do it. Then the, I don't know how the FBI crime happened, but I thought that was the most brilliant part. Yeah, I agree. And then put it in this world. And then what was really cool is he, Keenan was like, okay, we're going to watch every movie that was ever in the history of movie making where men had to pretend to be a, be women for a reason.

Yes. So it was like we watched, you know, some like it hot all the way back to like Tootsie. Yes. And so then I remember Keenan being like, there has to be a scene where they almost get caught. So, like, then we had Sean almost get caught. Yes, yeah, I love that scene. I love that scene. All those kinds of things that I was like, I was like, oh, and that's kind of when I realized, like, you know, even though this was such an innovative movie, there is like, there is a formula to, like, writing a movie.

Absolutely. And how genius it is to, like, look and kind of figure out, like, oh, we need that. We need, you know, we need, like, the opening scene being that they established that they really are FBI agents. And, you know, this was the crime and how funny that was and that they can do different characters. and he would, you know, and structure. Yeah. Structure and story, you know, like that's, and he came so brilliant at that. It's, I remember he, in one of the rehearsals, it was really like a sit down with him and the girls,

and he was like, you know, gave a sheet of paper, like a worksheet about, you know, what is your history? Of your character. Yeah, and I was, I was, like, silently like, I read this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I already done that, like, deep dive, you know what I mean? Yeah. But I was proud that I had already done that work, not knowing that he would even suggest to bring up that work, because it's not something you usually talk about.

To create a whole backstory for yourself, yeah. Yeah, you know, a playlist, like, how do you merge yourself with this character? And I just, like, he really taught me that you treat comedy the same way that you do with drama. There's no difference. And the one thing he said that will always stick with me. He said, there's no room for vanity and comedy. And that I was like, because you've got to make a mess. Yeah.

There's no room for vanity in it. You got to be willing to get messy, you know. I also remember, you know, when he was like, well, maybe the character, who was the character, what was the character's name that did the bet back bet bet bet bet bet bet bet. I know the actress, but I don't know. What was her character name? I don't know. But that girl that did that. I remember he was like, wait a minute, she's going shopping and she is wearing a skimpy outfit.

Yeah. So then why would she not want to get into like another skimpy outfit and feel fat? And I remember being like, because we're psycho. Like, I don't know. Like, that's a normal thing. It's so easy to have body as morphia. And in two seconds and under the wrong lighting in a dressing room, you start to go. Yeah, all of a sudden it doesn't fit, you know.

And then, yeah, the fact that like busy. I loved Busy Phillips too, and I loved how busy Phillips, how her character, you know, everything going on with her character, and even her, like, they had to pick the wardrobe that actually wasn't flattering. Yeah. It would have been very easy to, like, put her in a more flattering outfit. But they, because she wasn't big, but she had to look like a little, yeah, curvier than the other girls to make that thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So it was, it was so fun. and okay so that that was like a really a really fun thing for you to do okay so and also I will say before like doing it I was like I don't want this to be portrayed as because Nikki and Paris have been my friends since we were teenagers so you knew them before you even went out on the movie absolutely and were you were you thinking that it would be possibly I called I called because I was like I don't want to do something negative no no way those are my sisters. Now how did you guys mean? Those are my rider dies. Like forever, forever. We met in New York,

and I think I must have been 17, 17 years old. It was like right when JetBlue came out, and so they flew us to Miami. And we all went together. And I, we've just been extremely close through everything since they're two of the most brilliant artists business women mothers friends um i really crave and love family and family units and they're my family and so going to do that film i couldn't in my head base it off of either of them right at all Because that's not what I knew of them. Yeah, they're not like that anyway. So I was just playing the character that came forward of what I know about people that that act like that.

Right. You know, but I didn't base it off of them at all. It really wasn't. I think it was just the springboard of that, like, rich girls in the Hamptons that would have a father that, you know, might find himself in this situation and that type of thing. And then from the perspective of a black male not, like, I remember. So Sean was like, we got to go out with your friends. We want to go out one night with your friends. So I was like, okay, so we meet at Mr. Chow's.

I was like Sean, a couple of the other writers that I was friends with. And then we went to this like nightclub that I want to. I want to say, I don't know that it was called the gate or whatever. It was on Los Eganica, but I feel like you went like the report. Is it like typically white leading club? Yeah. Yeah. Like kind of, yeah, whatever, a mix.

And so that's when the Beyonce song actually came on And we were so excited to dance that And Sean just stood back And he was like, that's when he was like, I don't care how much it's gonna cost to get this song We have to have that song for this scene Because the girls, the entire club, all the girls went crazy It's iconic. Yeah

And also, I don't think we had the freaking rights to the song When we did that scene. Oh, really? Or when we were rehearsing? Unless I'm tripping. I knew that they're like, no matter what we're going to get it, I don't know if they actually had them yet. Yeah.

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and I go how did you guys come up with that song and they're like we just feel like that is such a white girl anthem and I'm like it is yeah it was very so good everyone's so good in that yeah and so then that was crazy like that we you know that he just was such, he was like, Sean was really, like, it was really that his whole idea was this movie, like his brainchild. And then, and then,

but then everyone would say, why isn't there another? And all I could remember is that they were writing, producing, and they were the stars. I don't even think they slept two hours a day. No, they couldn't. They were exercising eating a vegan diet.

I remember, like, the highlight of the day was those little cups of those little... Because they had to be so much smaller. chocolate chip like they're like Eminem's but they're not they're like the kind you get like a co-op yeah and

a co-op yeah the amount of hair and makeup and the writing and the producing I just remember and the exercise I just remember like Shonermill literally just sitting there

as they like finish the hands and that's like when they were getting their sleep yep literally in the chair so then so then when recently when there's been some talk that they'll it's going to happen I don't know if it'll happen.

Of course, I reached out and was like, I don't care what element, even if it's just like a one-day consultant. I have so many ideas of what a great, like, storyline would be or at least something to do with, I just have to do something with it. And now I kind of wonder if in this world of like AI, if they could still do something like that, but not actually have to like get in a mask. You know what I mean? And like, you know how they did with, like, the Irishman? Yeah. And how they could, or how now they can just, like, I was just at a taping of Leanne Morgan's show. And they said, okay, you're going to see a scene we already filmed.

And it's them on, it's Leanne and her husband on their first date. And it's through the magic of, like, AI. It was them doing the scene. And then they were able to, like, in post. They didn't have to get an, yeah, they didn't have to put another actress in Leanne's part. Like, it could just still be Leanne, but they made her look like she was, you know, like a normal, you know, 25-year-old girl, but it was her. I, it's crazy.

It's so bonkers to me. So I wonder if they could do that. That'd be nice if they could, if it would still be as funny. I think it's different when you're actually in it. Right. You know what I mean? Right. That's what leads to, at least for me, when I put the clothes on,

when I put the makeup on, when I see, you know, it's part of becoming the character. Yeah. You know, and the AI stuff, I'm like, you know, I'm like, I'm not, I don't, I'm not. No, you know, I just had someone do my voice. They took my voice. It's not a vibe for me.

And they put it on someone else's, they put it on like an older woman podcaster that looked smarter than me with glasses, talking about some product, but it was my voice. And like 10 people sent it to me. That is illegal. That is wrong. Yeah.

So I, I know. And it's a hard fight. It's like, But part of me was sort of flattered because I see they do it to like, you know, other podcasters like Mel Robbins and Joe Rogan. So I was like, I guess I've kind of made it, whatever. Is this voice sounds like an authoritative voice somehow that you chose to steal it. But one more question about that. So then when the movie came out, did Paris and Nikki like love it?

Did they think it was funny? Like, did they realize that they were somewhat of the inspiration? I don't know if they did because I don't. didn't go for aim for that like angle you know yeah yeah um actually i'm gonna ask them that because i would guess they loved it i think everyone loves this movie yeah there's no one i've ever met that doesn't love this movie right it's literally one of the and again i'm saying now more than ever it's like it's crazy i know i love that you know what a big part of it is though like so in raising my sons and i've said this before there is like a real last

of comedies for teenage boys to enjoy yes they have to watch all they they like old school stepbrothers just like every 20 year old's favorite movie yes and that was like 15 years ago like there's there's nothing new that comes out that's kind of like that and even with white chicks he was like it's not going to be our it's going to be PG-13 because it would be a broader audience yes so in like choosing the jokes we had to make sure we never enter towards the R because he knew at that time that was a big price difference of how much a movie could make you know and um but yeah i think that's i think that's really where filmmaking they need to tap into that that humor we're missing that now yeah for sure

there they have not really any great comedies coming out no they have to watch all the old will feral Vince fawn type of stuff and that's why they just like watch it over and over again and they love it because there isn't anything else that like speaks to them that's what if so that's why I say, if someone can write something like that, I'm like, that's where the money should be, is writing those kind of comedies that, like, where these boys feel they can relate. Yes. Okay. So I want to get into, I mean, you've done so many movies and so many things. And, of course, I interviewed Sherri Papini.

And you play her in a movie that came out not too long ago after it was, you know, after she was convicted. They wrote this movie. and did they come right to you and offer it to you? It was really strange because I saw a cover of People magazine and I was like, who is this person? What's going on here? Like something was up. Do you know what I mean?

I was like, why do I feel like they're not telling the whole story here? And I read the art. Oh, when she first was missing or when she first came back. Yeah. Wait for it. Yeah. So I called my manager and I was like, I really want to option the story. Oh, really?

Yeah, because there's something here. Something's amiss. Either her real story is not being told or something else is not being told, but something's up here. Cut to literally the next day, I get the offer for Sherry Pippini. The next day. and this was this when they already and i'd never read this anything about it i read it you weren't following it no the day that i read the article i called my manager the next i get the offer and i was not following it at all that's crazy

do you feel like you have a lot of that stuff that happened in your life where you're kind of like sometimes even inadvertently manifesting something like yeah do you yeah a lot where I look back and I, a lot of things that I've said and done as a young, like, even as a kid, like where I'd say, oh, I'd like this to be, you know, I imagine myself writing a book and my child interrupting me and, but writing from the house. And then when I was writing my first book, like that exact same, you know, stuff like that happened. And I didn't necessarily put it on the board that I bought at Michaels, you know, and like,

whatever. Or in Cherry Papini's Hobby Lobby, whatever crap she said to. But I know, but I would definitely like say it. And then there were times where I would do like the, where I look back and I would do almost like an anti-manifestation where I remember like at the groundlings, which was this theater as part of the first day I walked in. There was the 30 main company and then there was like the 18 that performed only on Sunday. So like an A and B company. And I remember I went right and I go, oh, I'll make the B company, but I probably won't make the A. And I didn't.

Yeah. So like I think sometimes you can do it to the negative. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because energy falls a thought. Yeah. It follows thought. So when we're putting something out there, typically we'll probably go, it depending

on that direction, you know, in that direction. I mean, I was looking through a journal, like a book of mine when I was seven years old, six or seven, and I just wrote money on their dollar bills. And I was like, when I grow up, I'm going to become a model and I'm going to make lots and lots of money. and it was just money money money money money money money and that's what happened and then on the next on the next did you know obviously you were a beautiful child did you know that one of your gifts was in fact you know being exquisite looking like when do you realize that as a child that you have that your talent is part of your talent is your outside appearance i didn't grow up in a typical way

in terms of being accepted for the way that I looked at all. I was not like the cool kid. I got my ass kid all the time in school. Couldn't stand it. I was always humiliated. It was really, like, I was just different. I looked a particular way, but didn't fit somehow into the way that kids wanted me to fit.

I was too eccentric or maybe didn't have enough money to buy all the fancy things or whatever. and the way I would dress was very eclectic and I just couldn't fit and it was really it was really upsetting and kids can be really mean oh yeah you know and so I I knew in my heart that I was beautiful but I didn't know how that would fit in I'm also autistic so it's like I have a lot of other things that I focus on other than you're autistic yeah and when did they find that out oh I found out my uh late 20s and how how did that come about um it came about through getting tested because I realized that like um by having ADHD then there was a possibility that the other thing would be the case and I was getting my master's in spiritual science and psychology and I just started to really understand more of like oh that's that thing and me that's kind of different than other people you know like it's just the way that my brain processes and the way that I

relate or connect to the world is very uh it's it's it's not like normal per se yeah but that's also like the genius side too it's a gift yeah yeah yeah so when you okay so let's get back to the sharia papini okay so you get so how soon after they offer you the part do they offer you the part without handing you the script or oh They offered it to me, and so, you know, as you know, offer letter, offer a script, materials attached. No, I never get offered anything. No, I don't get offered. If I go off or anything, I have to go out for it or write it myself.

But, okay, so then in doing it, you know, when I interviewed Sherry, so just to catch people up, if you haven't heard this interview I did it a few months ago, and Sherry Papini, after it was found out that, She did know her captor, and she was convicted for lying to the police and the government about what really happened. She has come out of jail, and now she has said that the story was that, yes, she knew her captor, but no, she didn't choose to stay confined to this room all this time. I don't even know what she's saying since. So she's saying to just fill people in, in a nutshell, she's saying she knew this. this guy and he she knew him from her past and they started a little like correspondence or whatever she was in a very unhappy marriage with her husband yeah and in the past she had

done flown uh phone flirting with other people that he discovered so he then became more controlling of it and it almost made her want to i think seek that attention from wherever so she this was like an old boyfriend someone in his family died she reached out and she started talking to him and then she says he was like, I'm coming to see you today. And she was like, oh, fuck. Like maybe I flurted too hard because now I don't want him to be here. Yeah. So she goes out to meet him to just basically be like, you got to go. I can't see you. And then she says, I don't remember anything more. So she's like, because I said, I go, so you don't remember going willingly with him or unwillingly or did you just get in the car to like placate him and then he just drove the nine

hours and she's like I just don't know I just know that I think I was drugged I was like woke up at once we got to the house in Costa Mesa and then so there's a lot of where she says in the documentary which then that's kind of what I was basically at interview she basically says then she was there and then she was held against her will and the abuse that took place like as far as the bruises and things were part of sexual S&M that he insisted

that she do and it was against her will. Like BDSM and she's like a sub and he was like a dumb or something? Yeah. And so then I was like so what so then one of the the cover art of your movie is you have

the bandage on your nose which she had when she then was finally released and went home and said these two Mexican women that kidnapped her and lied about that for like four years until they finally got him to tell whatever they wanted him to tell. She says that he was like, it sounds like she believes he was sort of coerced into saying that they were in on it together in order to like save himself from going to prison. And so it's like with watching it and interviewing her and

everything else I mean obviously when she's sitting across me I was being very nice was it weird to look I think she's really weird for me after having to study her so she actually talked about you and she said she's lovely and she read some interview where you said you know I'm going to do the best I can this is a sensitive subject I can't imagine what this person really has gone through So I'm just going to play the role of how it's written, whatever. And she thought that was like very respectful. And I think it's interesting because it's like when I first heard about it and that it wasn't true, fake chrygone kidnapping per se. I thought a couple things.

I thought either, yeah, that she is kind of fame hungry. But then I'm like, but then she kept such a low profile after she came back. wasn't like trying to do things to be in the limelight. So I think really what it was is I think that she, you know, was fucked up and flirting with these guys. I think that she wanted her husband to like worry and miss about her. I think he wanted the husband to miss her. And then once she got there, then I think he was like kind of dumb. And he was like, oh, what the fuck?

Now I'm a fucking kidnapper. it's all over the news yeah no like you're not leaving yeah and that's kind of what i think happened i think she willingly went yes didn't think it would blow up that much yeah then realized what the fuck am i doing i'm in this like little weird house in cost of mesa i want to be back with my family but oh fuck now what yep that's what i think happened and then you know so i think in some way she was kind of kept maybe not everything she was willing to do i mean the fact that that she lost so much weight makes me think that it wasn't totally her doing. They, you know, the branding thing is weird, which I know there was a scene in the movie of that.

All of this stuff is in the movie. And when I went to approach to play, I was like, okay, I'm going to, like with any acting, do it as honestly as possible. Yeah. Because in the back of my head, again, I didn't know it was true or not true. Right. So I wanted to approach it as if I was her and her truth. You know, it's actually, you've got to see the movie. It's really good.

Yeah, no, I really do want to see it because, I mean, I should have seen it before you came today. But, like, no, I will definitely see this. I know it was on Lifetime, so we could probably find it on Hulu or something. Yeah. But in, yeah, we did the branding. We did. And the branding was in the movie, it was that she's telling him to do it, right? Yes.

Yeah, because that is what he tells the officers. But always with that, I was like, okay, you know, even with someone who has an extremely low IQ, like, you wouldn't say, wait, I don't want to hit you. I don't want to hurt you. Like, this is, why am I, like, it was weird that they just let him off the hook completely. So I do feel like they set up their case to make her the lying villain. and yeah because she has a vagina yeah and they said yeah all women all women apparently are yeah exactly yeah it's weird what i look back at cases because now i'm doing like um another series juicy crimes and it's just so interesting you know how there have been cases throughout time where it's just

like just so out to get the woman and and it was the woman that made her lover kill her husband and you're like no but wait the lover is going to get out in five years who actually shot him And the woman, in the case of Sabrina Limon, is going to have to spend the rest of her life in prison. And it's not even, I still think there's a lot of doubt that she, if she knew that he killed her husband or not. But I'm like, how is he going to get out? Because that's just the way it's always been, though. Yeah. Honestly, that's the way it is.

We are not heard or seen or have a right to a fair or just trial in any way, shape, or form. I mean, we don't even have rights to our own. bodies and that wasn't that long ago before that stopped and look where we are now you know it's like it's there's I don't know what this witch hunt always is about you know so I mean just pretty disturbing it would be nice yeah I'm not saying that everyone is innocent right but it's like I think the process is completely different I mean it was a very interesting thing like what they got her on because it was like because she actually like lied it was about it was her it wasn't necessarily you fake to kid up me

was that you lied when we asked you about it and that is a crime because it was like a federal case and wasn't also because she utilized resources yes like they as a victim you had she'd at whatever $30,000 or something

so yes she was she did take advantage of that so that she all that's just a pay back they're still paying all that back and then she gets with this other guy So she has this, she had a boyfriend, she's no longer with him.

She gets with this other guy whose wife mysteriously died. Wait, wait. Sherry Pupini gets out of prison. She gets a boyfriend. I don't even know what happened so she got her to prison. She gets out of prison. She gets a boyfriend. And there's some articles like, oh my God, I can't believe these two are together.

And this guy was like a nurse and his wife that he had just asked for a divorce suddenly died of like, I don't know if it was COVID, but it was like pneumonia. It was something very fishy. And then he immediately got, you know, went off to make sure she got buried or cremated or something. And there was a whole like Facebook group to, you know, justice for this girl and there's something fishy going on. And then they're like, and of course she's and he's dating Sherry Papini.

And then so when I interviewed her, they had since broken up and were actually in and out of court based on some, like a house that he promised her and she won't leave and something financial. I don't mean to laugh. No. It's like. Yeah. And so I said that. I go, do you think you're a problem with your picker? Like, yeah.

You're saying that your ex-husband was horrible. You're saying that the boyfriend that you recontacted is the one that kidnapped you. And then you get out of prison. and you meet a guy who people are pointing a finger out that he might have something to do with his wife's odd death. And now you've broken up with him. What'd she say? She's like, yes.

I think I have a bad big girl. She came and she's like a very cute girl. So she has this ability to like kind of bond with you like on a girlfriend basis. And she was one of those girls that, she's one of those people that does that thing where they like use your name all the time. Oh.

But we just met. So she'd be like, you know, Heather, you know, if I was going to meet him. So one of the things she said was I was supposed to just meet him for lunch and I was going to have a friend come. And I go, well, then your friend would be able to corroborate that story that there was a plan to meet for lunch. And she was like, no, I don't. But then we never did meet for lunch. I thought I could placate him and meet him for lunch. But then I was like, no.

And that's when I said, I can't see you at all. that's when I went for my run and then saw him at the end of the street and I don't remember anything else like and so then when I did the interview she mentioned the restaurant and then someone wrote me and said that restaurant's only open for dinner and I go well maybe it was open for lunch back in 2017 and I looked it up and it wasn't and I was kind of like and then the only other thing was she comes back and she's thick you know thick blonde hair um like she has a good head of hair when I saw her and it was like cut like like a choppy bomb and I remember thinking when she first said these two Mexican women kidnapped her and they must have and people thought oh maybe they

were taking her to be trafficked because she's a blonde and she looks like she'd be younger and I remember thinking well why would they want to destroy her looks if long blonde hair is an asset to traffic so why would you cut there so then when I said it someone goes did you look at the hair, it wasn't like shaved. It was just like like a choppy bob. So then I was like, I think maybe, I go, well, now the guy wouldn't have cut the hair. That's not part of BDSM. So I'm like, so I did write her and I go, I just, I have one more question. I mean, it could be. It depends on your kink. Maybe you wanted her hair for later or something. Maybe. Who knows? But I don't know, she didn't write me back about what did you, who's hair. I didn't know if maybe, because if you

would think if you were to think that this was all her doing she wasn't held against her will maybe she cut her own hair just to add to like a layer of yeah of like oh my god and they cut my hair and they burn me with the hobby lobby thing and that she did have like an answer for everything and i always thought it was very weird that like that they that this guy was not you know and i go now don't you when you were keeping this secret that this guy was so dangerous for four years because you were so afraid that your husband would get mad that you're with him. I'm like, weren't you concerned that this weirdo could do this to

like another girlfriend? Yeah. And she was like, yeah, but you know, like I didn't know what to do. So it's just but you, yeah, I definitely need to see the movie because that's like an interesting like, is that the first like real person that you've ever played? No, I played real people before. I played

a woman named Tony Joe Henry who was one of first women ever to be electrocuted in the United States and what was that about and that was that was in the the late 30s um it was Tony Joe was a young girl she was sold to her brothel when she was about seven years old um by her stepmother and so grew up in a brothel um became addicted to heroin da-da-da meets this love of her life he comes in um He was a boxer. He gets her clean.

They fall in love, get married, and go down to Texas, and then he gets arrested for, because cops, because basically he killed a cop in a different state, and the cops found him. And so he used to run with Bonnie and Clyde. And so then she makes a vow to get him out of prison, and then teams up with someone else, one of, like, not a good guy. John Hawks plays that character. he's so amazing um and so we i tony joe asked him to teach her how to rob banks because she needs money to get her husband out she's very determined about this she doesn't believe in god

etc etc things go awry someone gets shot and that person that gets shot is very highly linked up in the state government they put her um they charge her with the murder and give her the death sentence and it's just it's a really amazing movie it's called the pardon the pardon and so you play that role yes and do you have a scene where they put you in the chair yes and it was actually like a real chair was that just so freaky it was so freaky and you know what else was really freaky is that I asked the financiers why they wanted to do this like why it mattered so much to them because it was a beautiful film and they're like we don't there's just something about this film we just knew we had to do and the financiers were lawyers and judges and came from a long lineage of lawyers

and judges and so we're filming in this office and props needed more books from that time and they're like oh perfect because you know my great-granddad has all that stuff downstairs so they go down stairs and come back up and they're white who wait whose house downstairs like so we were in this office but it was the family office that we were filming in right and that office had been like was the grandfather's the great-grandfathers of the financiers producers right oh oh okay so he goes he goes my we have some old books okay yeah so he so goes downstairs you know to help you know set deck pick out books and stuff like that comes back upstairs white and I'm like what what's up what's up and he was like nearly in tears he was shook he found in the in one of

the drawers and the desk that he'd never gone into before because he never had any reason to um like a docket and it had all the sign and then it said her name and all the signatures of the judges that had to sign to prove for her to be electrocuted yeah and his great granddad was the last signature on it that is so crazy and he never knew that and why doing the movie he was white he was white because again probs set deck all went down with them yeah they were all just rummaging around you know in this family office that no one ever went to except they we just used as a filming location and And so when it comes back to the thing, it's like, there are some things that we need to make.

And then the fact that I was like, oh, wow, that's a way to balance out that karma. You know what I mean? Wow. And just that the way the universe works and that there was a strong tie that he didn't know that was somehow drawing him to the story in the subconscious universe. Like that is so interesting. Now, when you play certain parts, is it hard to go to bed while you're filming? do you like dream are you a dreamer like yes i have very intense dreams it's it's and i use a lot of my dreams for the character so i'll do like a lot of you know dreams study or youngian theory

and so i'll set an intention before i go to sleep um that anything that can be revealed about the character um and how we can merge together or etc etc um i write a letter and then i sign it and i go to sleep And then when I wake up, I wait till I sit up, and I just immediately journal down everything that I dreamt about. And this is something that I learned from the actors studio. That's a very sacred and really, really effective tool. And so then you go through all the dream and you figure out what's what. And then it informs how you connect to the character and also, like, literally how you connect. It's really extraordinary.

That's amazing. Yeah. So. But sometimes it's really hard to sleep because you're wired from the day. Yeah. That's what I would think. You get like. Like even when I do any kind of like performance or stand up or whatever, I cannot.

It doesn't matter to get up in three hours. I always know that like I can't go right to bed. No, no, no, no, no. You can never go back. So you're like. No way. Yeah. After you're like acting all day and then you're like only have a few hours in between.

Yeah. It's nearly impossible. Yeah. It really is. So what, um, I know you have two young boys because I met them at the party. So you're like, you know, in that, what, they're like in, what, middle school? How old are they?

James Knight just started middle school this year. Okay. And Leo Thames is in fifth. Yeah, that's like a busy. Yeah, very busy. You know all that back to school and all that kind of stuff. And you're recently engaged. Yes.

And how did you guys meet? We met through mutual friends. so that's exciting it is exciting so it's like a whole new chapter of life and what's the what's the latest thing that you're working on i'm about to start a film called bound for glory that i'm really excited about and i start that in october and i do my press tour for love daniel which is being released very soon that's on thursday what's that about um it's a about, it's a true story, but that's another true character. Yeah.

Devin Sadell and her sister, Amy and I play Emmy. It's about her sister and her, her journey of having Brockageen and having to have double mastectomy, all of her reproductive organs removed, even though she really wanted children. And this whole film was made on donations, which is extraordinary. and the reason why she found out is because her sister who I play Amy in real life had to do the same thing she got really sick and almost died and that's the reason why Devin Winton got tested

and so it's an extraordinary act of like loving and this film is super funny and poignant and very meaningful for me because I've been through the journey of cancer as most of us have with many friends and family members. And I'm very excited about that. That's awesome. Yeah. That's like a more recent story in history. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because, like, we're just hearing about that in the last, like, decade or so. Yeah, exactly. That's really, that's really important. I have three other films coming out, too. And you worked with Steve Martin, too. Oh, my God. Yes, and Eugene Levy and Bonnie Hunt. All the two were by the dozen, like, the cheaper by the dozen was such a great, like, movie.

Wait, so what were you one of the kids? Yeah, I play Eugene Levy's daughter. And was it just so fun? Oh, my God. It's like Steve, like playing the banjo every day. Like, it was a master class in comedy because, like, seeing the way that Eugene worked, seeing the way that Steve worked, seeing the way that Bonnie worked, and we'd be doing these big set pieces, and everyone has their own approach, you know, with comedy.

And it was just like, I couldn't believe it. it was amazing we had so much fun that's so awesome now you also um worked with bruce willis yes multiple times and did you ever notice that maybe something was slipping at that time or not not during those movies um not in the first movies but i did one of his last movies with him and um i'm very close with his daughters and his family and and we did a film called out of death that came out in 20 we did in the pandemic so that was November of 2020 so it came out like 2021 um the experience that I had with him I think was different because we've known each other for so long and so when he would look at me and we would do our scenes it was like he was locked in

it wasn't the same Bruce yeah but there was something different there was something different And it was, when I say something different, I think that he knew my loving and I knew his loving. So my experience wasn't the same as the way maybe other people had experienced it. Yeah. I mean, it's such a, it's also really beautiful when you see his family and his wife and when they do like a little update. And it's sadly something so many people can relate to. Yeah. Of just loving that person knowing that they love you, but they don't have the.

the faculties that they once did. Yeah. It's really, it's, it's really amazing to see, you know, and it's really, I'm sorry to make you emotional. Oh, it's okay. You know, I mean, I can imagine, that's not what I, you didn't, well, I know something fun. No, this was so great. I'm so glad that you have so many great projects, and, I mean, have you won any awards or been nominated for your acting. Yes, I have.

Oh, what have you won? I won lots of different things. I don't know. I didn't know because I'm just like, I mean, I feel like you've done so many things and I'm like, I'm sure she's been up for seven. I'm a weirdo when it comes to awards. I don't like talking about it. Yeah, because I mean.

I do it because I love it. Yeah. Do you feel? Honestly, the awards, and I don't mean to sound cliche, but literally the rewards and the awards and the awards are, if I can make anyone feel less alone, like that's really what it's about. And I get to be, like, with my crew and my cast and just tell the truth and entertain people, like, that's it for me. Like, that's, that's everything.

I know. Isn't that so great when someone says something, like, I've told the story before on my show, so for the people that have heard it. But it's like, I remember Eddie Murphy was on a talk show. It was like a call-in thing. Yeah. And this is what I'm, like, 10. And I'm watching him. And this woman called in and she said, oh, I just wanted to tell you.

Eddie if I ever had a chance to tell you this this many years ago my son like tragically died like horrible and she said I will never laugh again she told herself that I'm never going to laugh again and she's like at that night I turned on Saturday Live and he was like his Gumby character or something and she's like and I laughed again and I remember at like 10 years old I was like that's what I want to do I want to make somebody be able to laugh on their worst day or just escape or whatever and I think when you're in this business and it really is because of something that genuine and not oh I want to have a big house and be on the cover magazines and I just want to be famous and I want it you know like or whatever that and there's nothing wrong with those

people either but the real people that do this do it for those actual reasons absolutely yeah and that's what's so cool I don't know how anybody could even do it without if it wasn't for like something so deep because it takes so much yeah there's so much that we go through and do the perseverance and the vulnerability and the strength that it takes it's like there's no time to really like like I can't not do it yeah you know well it's so great I'm so glad that you got to come and just share with us like your incredible career so far and I think there's so many awesome things in your future and if there is a white chicks too I hope Oh, we've got to do it.

You've got, you have got to be in it as like, you know, this living on a penthouse on your third divorce lady, like, you know, some amazing, funny character that you could be, that you'd just fit right in and maybe, you know, dropping snarky remarks or something without realizing it. Like something like that would be amazing. But anyway, I love you. Tell everybody, you have a great Instagram, beautiful photos and everything. and a huge following. You're at 1.5 million people. So it's Jamie, J-A-I-M-E, unique spelling from your mother, underscore King. Everybody follow her so you don't miss any of her upcoming projects and everything.

Mother, filmmaker, activist, human, 100% founder. Oh, I love that. Oh, and then this is your production company. Yes. Hooligan Dreamers Production. What a great name. Thank you. I love that.

That's so amazing. Have you ever directed anything? I've directed multiple things, but I'm getting ready to direct my first future film, which I'm very excited about. That's so cool. That's a lot. That's hard. We produce a lot. Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, it's very awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you so much for coming, everybody. Thank you.