Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Jax Taylor, Vanderpump History, and The Randall Scandal

Episode Date: May 16, 2023

I am going on tour! Get tickets at https://heathermcdonald.net/ Jax Taylor is here, and it’s juicy! We go back into Vanderpump's history and cover his long and complicated friendship with Tom Sandavol. He also gives his opinion on James, Ariana, and Kristin. The original cast of Vanderpump Rules had to convince each other to do the show. Jax answers all my questions, including why he cheated in the past. He shares his opinions on Tom Schwartz and his disturbing loyalty to Sandavol. We also watched the Hulu documentary trailer, “The Randall Scandal,” about Randall Emmett. Jax tells his story regarding his friendship with Randall and their business dealings. Jax also weighs in on Kim and Kroy Biermann’s divorce. I share my brilliant idea for the future of Vanderpump Rules and what they should do at Bravocon. You’re Welcome!!! Get extra juice on Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop/posts https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop/featured Follow me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald/ Follow me on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Follow Jax on Instagram: @mrjaxtaylor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hannah McDonald. Juve Sisco. Hello and welcome to Juve C scoop. Well, guys, I had such a juicy, long interview with Jack's Taylor from Vanderpump in person. You're going to get that in a second. But first, I just want to remind you to go over to HeatherMcDoll and .NET. Get your tickets to my live shows. I'm going to Vegas, Napa, San Francisco, San Diego, Irvine, Improv, Connecticut, New Jersey, the Hamptons. It's all there at Heather McDoll and .NET. You want to go do that. Also, some major stuff

happened with juicy crimes. I do a special juicy crimes right there on my Patreon. You go to Heather mitdoll.net, click on that, join it and hear the scoop that I did this weekend. But first let's get into some other amazing real housewives scoop. As you know, everyone was disappointed to hear that the legacy cast, all the OGs from New York, we're going to get together and we're going to at least have that show. And then negotiations happen, they fell through. Everyone said it's Jill Zaryn's fault because she wanted to be paid as much as the other

girls. And all Jill Zaryn said was, look, why can't we just do it? Favorite nations, everybody gets the same like what happened on ultimate girls trip. We all got $100,000 for the week. They're like no, we're not doing it But wait a minute That's actually a really great idea Why don't we just do ultimate girls trip with the girls from legacy but not invite Jill Zaren Very sad about that, but the cast is still great

We've got Ramona, Luanne, Durinda, Sonia, and then they're bringing back Kelly, Bessamone, and also Kristen Taikman, which I thought was interesting because when I interviewed Ramona, I said, was there anybody that you didn't totally jive with? And she's like, I actually really didn't think Kristen was like that interesting. I mean, she was a really nice cross, really pretty girl. She was like that interesting. I mean she's a really nice girl. She's really pretty girl. I just didn't think she was that great. Anyway, maybe that's why they cast her. Maybe they heard the podcast and thought, you know what?

Let's bring back a pretty girl that Ramona doesn't totally like. So anyway, they are going to scary island. They are staying at the same resort that they did, the same beautiful house that they did. I guess in St. Bart's that season, oh, maybe it wasn't scary. It was whatever, season five. Season five, I guess, are staying at the same place in St. Bart's or something. They're only going to stay there for a week and that's what's going to happen. Bethany, they had, now we know from Annie Cohen's book that he talked to Bethany about

it. And Bethany said, make me an offer. I can't refuse. But I guess they gave her one that she did refuse. And so then she was out. Instead, she's doing what a juicy scupper described as middle class cosplay, brilliant way to describe it. Now Bethany to fill her days is going to

places that middle-class people go. But for Bethany, oh my god, unbelievable! Olive Garden, are you freaking kidding me? Free breadsticks? Yeah! She goes to the dollar store, she goes to forever 21 and she reviews those the same way she did review makeup from drugstores. So, you know, good for her. Seems like she's killing it. Anyway, then we got the trailer dropped for the new real housewives franchise, which are younger, interesting women that we have never seen before. And I don't know, people are kind of like, I will watch it. Hopefully, there's enough juice in there that'll make me stay.

I love seeing anything in New York City. These girls are all really attractive and seem interesting. I hope they have some foundation of knowing each other. Otherwise, it might be a difficult sell. As you know, when the cast of New York started, almost all of them knew each other when it began, because Jill put them all together. So, and that's why Vanderpump is so successful, which we talk about in the show later today. So hopefully this will be a hit, and we can all really enjoy it. And now for Jack's Taylor.

Hello and welcome to Juicey Scoop. I'm very excited, you guys. I have Jack's Taylor. And I saw you last weekend and I was very excited to see you. You looked adorable, Brennan. I were a little handsy with you and I did a apology to Cruz and Brittany. Oh, you don't have to be a little handsy for you.

I know we're new in care. I know we're new in care, but we had a lot of fun hanging out at one of my favorite spots in Lequita. Oh my god. The nest is awesome. I love the place. It really is so fun. And we were just talking about how I was like, I didn't know if your friends are friends are crap, but I'm like, you guys should be best friends. So I've been going back and forth with them on, we've been texting each other. Obviously he's a father, I'm a father, you know, sometimes life gets in the way.

We both got boys. We're both ex-billens of real, well, villains, I don't know, ex, I'm still a villain. Ex-billens, villains, whatever you wanna think of of reality TV. I think we have a lot in common. I do too. I reached out to him, I reality TV. I think we have a lot in common. I do. You know, I reached out to him.

I want to say I was a couple of years ago. Hey, man, how you doing? Yada, yada. Uh, and we were talking about reality show and this and that. And we were talking about doing something together. And I know he was in the middle of something going on him and Heidi doing a podcast together. He's like, I think this is a great idea.

I'm just in the middle of doing something here, but let me see what's going on with that. And then I'll get back to you, and then we were supposed to have dinner, and then something came up with Brittany, and then something came up with Heidi. So it's in though, we're trying to make this happen. I think it would be great.

I think it would be hilarious if we him and I had a show together. Yes, I think you're very similar, and in a fun way, not too similar, like the same person, but just I think your perspectives on Hollywood and reality show and everything and that's why I want to have you on because I want to have you back here on a couple of years ago and we've got obviously so many questions. I even had a title for it. I even thought the washed up boys. I really loved it. I thought it was hilarious. I like the washed up boys, you know. But it would, you know, it's like a lot instead of lost boys.

The lost boys, the washed up boys, washed up boys, the reality. Yes. You know, I can say, like I said, hit me now, you get along really well. I would love, love. Spencer, if you're listening to this right now, gotta do something together.

Gotta do something together. Well, I will let him know. Okay, let's talk about first of all, where were you when you heard, I know where I was I was getting my roots done Where were you when you first heard about Gandalfal Tom sand of all having an affair with Raquel I Got a phone call

Out okay, so the day before I'm gonna back it up a little bit the day before Brittany and I worked We took crews to the long beach aquarium Then we decided to go to dinner. I got a text in my phone saying from Andy saying hey, would you want to come on watch? We have this live next week? You know just this now like this was just random. This was just this is all this before I even heard anything He's like would you like to come on watch? I was live next week. I was like yeah, that would be awesome whatever I'm in a long-haired Ben had been since before you left the show, right? Right. Before I left the show, right?

So then the next day, I woke up my friend Jason, Janet's husband, I don't know if you guys know who that is. She reached out to me. I remember about this Janet girl. Janet. Who is Janet? She is Brittany and I's a really close friend. Her and her husband are really close friends.

They live down the street from us. They're in the circle. If that's you. They live down the street from us during the circle. They're friends with Kristen too. Kristen Arianna. In fact, she runs Arianna's merch line. Okay, but she has she, but she's not really been ever featured on the show or just like at parties.

She is at parties and stuff like that. Okay. So anyway, so Jason, her husband texted me at eight o'clock in the morning. He's like, you are right all along about that guy. And that's all he said. I'm like, what? You're like, what guy? Yeah.

He's like, you haven't seen your phone? I go, no, it's eight o'clock in the morning. I just woke up. I haven't looked at my phone. I'm drinking my coffee. He said, look at your phone. And I looked at my phone and I was like, oh my god. Did you have like a ton of texts?

I had a ton of messages coming through. And then, you know, and then it's so funny watch it happen. I mean, like, Jack, can we put you on hold for a week after? I'm like, thank you, God, I was gonna text you guys saying, I please, I don't want to be the first one in watch when I was live after this broke out. And they were all laughing.

They're like, no, no, we wouldn't do that to you. So we had Lisa on and then I was the following week. But so, yeah, that's how it all happened. So where the text from your cast members or was it like, everybody? Everybody. Everybody. I had TMZ.

I had all the tabloids. I had my friends. I had family. And I'd been out of it for a while, you know? So I don't really keep in touch. And when you heard, was there any doubt in your mind or like, because I mean, when I first thought I was like First I someone sent it and I was like no there got it mixed up But once it was TMZ and then I wrote to law lunch. She confirmed it

I was like I of course I was blown away because as someone that's just A fan we were just seeing all the dumb rumors about her getting with forts never sandable right that was a decoy Yeah, now we know. I mean, yeah, that was the first. But when you first heard that, what was your first thought about? Not chalk at all. This has been going on for years.

He finally just got caught. I've been saying this for years. I've been saying this for years. So how I want to get to the deep part. Nobody wanted to believe me. When we watched the, you're wedding. Yeah. And you were very annoyed with him,

and you're having a fault with him. As a viewer, obviously not seeing, except for what they give us from Vanderpump. Right. It was like slightly confusing why you were so irritated with him. So now- I've been irritated with him,

but now it's late. Why? I just, you know, Tom and I have been friends, I guess, while we were friends for a very long time, he just kind of went off on his own path and different things in life. He's very eccentric, you know, I'm not, I'm the very, I don't know what's the right word.

Well, like, let's just go back. The show started, you, okay, you came out here, one of the questions was, when you came out here, you from Florida, like you came out here, one of the questions was, when you came out here from Florida, like you were modeling there, but you came out here to pursue acting like why did you come to LA? Well, I came out here, I did the New York Circuit,

I did the Miami Circuit, I did Europe, the next stop was California. It's one place I haven't been yet, and I, and Tom lived out here, and, you know, and you met Tom in Miami modeling? Yeah, yeah, he lived in my apartment, and then I moved into his apartment, so it was kind of vice versa, so it met Tom in Miami modeling. Yeah, yeah. He lived in my apartment and then I moved into his apartment. So it was kind of vice versa.

So, okay. Yeah. And that was in 2000, Tom and I met each other in, I think 2000. And then he moved into my apartment in 2003 in Miami. And then when you guys met, you were like 18. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, we've been friends for a long time. And like I said, everything was fine. I think it's just you know You guys are all working at the restaurant right and it's and you and Stasi are a couple right from working at the restaurant Right, and then he and Kristen are a couple and then Katie and and short sword a couple right and you're all working at the restaurant with Sheena and you first hear from whom that they want to film you guys possibly for a show. Yeah, it was like a month in of me working there.

Lisa kind of came up because I was out. I was moving back to Florida. I was, why were you gonna leave? I just was done. You know, I was at an age where I was like, okay, I've done this game of modeling, acting, whatever, I need to go back and get a real job. You know, I'm really that way.

I talked to my parents and I was like, I was what, 30? At the time, I think I was like, okay, I've done this game of modeling, acting, whatever. I need to go back and get a real job. You know, I'm really that way. I talked to my parents and I was like, I was what, 30? At the time, I think I was 30. I felt like that. And I was like, you know, my dad, my parents were conservative. You know, where's your money going? What are you doing? This and that. And I was just at the point where I was just tired of chasing money.

It was a tough, it's a tough world. The acting modeling. You love paying check to pay check. And just, yeah, it was like, this is not what I want to do with my life. Yes, it's fun, but it's only fun for so long and then what am I going to do? And nothing had like pop

you hadn't gotten that movie or that. No, I did a bunch of little things. I was modeling it, but I was money, but there was, it's just it wasn't fulfilling anymore. I was doing it for so long. It was fun in my 20s, but now you're getting a little older, my 30s.

It's just not, it wasn't fun anymore, you know? And had you been a fan of reality TV or seen it or been approached by any other, like how you ever been approached to be on like a dating show or anything when you were a person, all this stuff? Britney, sorry, Stasi and I did a, a little reality show together in the Bahamas

for like four days, it was a pilot. And other than that, no, we never, I never got into that. It wasn't my thing, you thing, I watched a little MTV, like real world, road rules, but that's how long ago this was. So, Bradley TV was kind of just still in the works when we started. It was 10, how many years ago?

10, 11 years ago? I mean, reality was kind of, it was good, but it wasn't like if you were doing reality then you couldn't be an actor. Now it's not like that anymore. But in those days, when we started, it was like a kiss adepter. It was a kiss adepter. Exactly.

So my friends that were like, hey, should we do the show? My, like, Tom and Tom are still trying to be quote unquote actors. So they're like, um, you know, I don't know if this is a good idea. I want to be an actor, you know, and so I thought that time, that was the big confusion. That was the big like hold up. So they were, we had to really sell them on it. Oh, so you guys kind of knew, okay, so then you convinced your group of friends,

let's just do it. Right, right, let's just do it. Why not, you know, see what happens? And then I think slowly but surely reality people were starting to do acting. I think Neenie was like the first one to actually get into the acting world. Yeah, she did, and I think there was a couple.

And real world people too that kind of made it into the acting world. A very couple. So I think it was happening, but it was just very slow. And I think people were just nervous about, you know, processing that world, you know. So, okay, so then the show is on. And I didn't even really watch it in the beginning. Yeah. Because I was like, oh, I don't know what this show, like I wasn't that into it. And then when I started doing the podcast, people were like, oh, you should have these people on. So then I had Kristen and then I had Stasi.

And then I was hooked and I was so now I know all what's going on. You know, it's so funny. I dove back into I don't know if anybody knows right? I don't I tell everybody all the time. I don't watch the show. I don't like watching myself. So when you would air on a Tuesday night and you were on it you would avoid it No, I've never I think until the until watching for the peacock show That's the first time really that I've watched a full episode

Why is that because it's watching myself because it was hard. Yeah, well, it's not hard It's I just well yeah watching myself was oh my gosh It's great. So Brittany and I have a podcast when reality hits And I decided to go back and did like the first two episodes to dive back into it because Brittany didn't really come on till season 5 right so we were gonna go into it and watch a couple the episodes so I'm like Brittany I don't know if I can do this she's like let's just have a couple drinks grab a couple beers sit down Let's watch this. I'm like I don't know if I can do this and sure enough. I watched it and I was like it was cringy It was I was like, who are you?

Who is this person? I was just an utter train wreck. I'm like, I'm still somewhat of a train wreck, but I was a real train wreck then. I was just, I was just so lost. I was just such a lost, like, very, like spur the moment, you know, fly by the sea to my pants. I mean, I, like, makes for great television.

Don't get me wrong, but I was just watching myself. I'm like, how the hell did anybody stand me? Want to be around me? Tolerate me? Date me? How? Did any? I'm watching this. I'm like, this is awful. How can anybody watch this? This is terrible. And I'm talking about myself, mind you. Not everybody else. I'm just talking about me. Yeah. And I just was like, how am I? I can't watch this. I think I got through 75% of the first episode. I go,, I can't watch this. This is terrible. This is just really bad. So now I, okay, what I think is really interesting is I think-

I'm so embarrassed. Like I'm really embarrassed. So there's certain reality stars that I watch. And, you know, like I interviewed Ramona Singer. You know who Ramona is? Oh, I know who I'm very well. And one of the things that we talked about is she really is someone that kind of based on her personality, but also like her childhood and that she'd block things out.

She was kind of the perfect realist star that truly forgot that there's cameras. And then you see people come on later that are very manipulative and they kinda start to plan it out and you know they're like literally taking notes before they go to the lunch. Yeah. And you obviously were one of those people and I think that's why you were great to watch. That's funny, you say that.

I never, there was certain people on the show that did that, rehearsed themselves, or Kelle did that when she first jumped out. She would, we would catch her, like literally have a script in her hand. And she would practice her lines and we would catch her, like, or Keld did that when she first jumped out. She would, we would catch her, like, literally have a script in her hand. And she would practice her lines and we would catch them, like, are you reading lines of a reality show that's supposed to be just off the cuff? And she was just really nervous at the time in her defense.

She was just really nervous, but we would catch her, like, reading lines before we're going into a scene and like, and these scenes are like, okay, we're going to go to a pool party. Like, how could you be practicing lines at a pool party? Like, I don't know, what are you, I didn't understand that, but yeah, that did happen. She was just one of the ones that I saw doing it, but there was other people that did it because it is nerve-racking.

I mean, being on a show like this, especially with the girls on our show, they're very intense, you know? New girls don't stick around on the show very long, as you know, so we get bullied. Let's talk about Raquel and, you know, We know that she was a fan of the show, right? And she knew that James was gonna be performing there and she followed him to like a second location Right to you know flirt with him and you know and behold now she's on the show

with her notes before entering Like what are your thoughts about her? Like what now in retrospect, how much do you think she plotted and planned? What is your perspective? Everyone knows my perspective. I don't know her as well as everybody else. I think that she maybe going through some things upstairs. I don't know what's the right way to say this. I think maybe

She needs to get some help. Mm-hmm. Is that the right way to say this? Yeah, what's the political? I'm ready to say this. I think she's got some issues. Yes. Do we all have issues? Absolutely. Yes We all do, but I think she's got a little bit more than most people and I think maybe the show kind of Magnified a lot of that and I think it's a very overwhelming show to be on. And I feel like she just wanted to be accepted. I feel like she was maybe lost before she got on the show. She was kind of lost trying to figure out where she fit in in society maybe.

Like, do I be a waitress? Do I finish college? Do I do this? I think she was kind of looking for it. And I think when she got the pageants, the pageants, all this stuff, I think, I think she was just kind of trying to look for herself a little bit. And then she found the show, or got on the show. And I think she was just kind of trying to look for herself a little bit

and then she found the show or got on the show and I think she was just trying to be accepted and kind of fit in where how can I be the most popular? What do I have to do to be the most popular or to get where I need to get? And maybe that was kind of a way, that's, I mean, that's kind of how I look at it. I mean, what do you think? What is, well, I do think the initial thought, which I was gonna say, one thing that's interesting is when I interviewed like Stasi and Steph, it was once Britney was on the scene.

And every person that I interviewed only had the greatest nicest things to say about Britney. And I was like, you do know that, I don't think I've ever talked to someone that has the most sterling reputation as Brittany that everyone likes her. Everyone believes she. Well, she didn't want to be on the show. She was.

I had to force her to be honest. She wanted nothing to do with this. So getting her on there, I had to like beg her to do this. So in the beginning, she was one of no part of it. So that's, I think that kind of, you know, the girl saw that and be like, okay, she's not just another one of Jackson's flings. So that's my other question. So with with the cast as someone would date someone new James being one of them dating Kristen. How did James come on the show? Kristen, you kind of been a little disemwaying through Doty. Doty

was kind of kind of if you're looking for like a, like a hole in, like, it's kind of, if you're looking for a way to get in, I'm sorry, I'm just kidding, Kristen, that's not what I meant. You bet, if you're looking for an entrance into the group. And entrance into the group. Sorry, that was a wrong way to put a hole. Sorry, sorry, Kristen. If you're looking to it, throw away into the group at that time, Kristen was the most vulnerable one. So you would go through her, if date her, sleep with her, do whatever you got to do because she was so vulnerable. And that's what he did.

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And I mean, I absolutely love James. Yeah, me too. I think him and I would be very well. He's a sweetheart. Fucking hilarious. Like, and the kind of funny where he, he doesn't know he's really being funny, but he just really is funny. So it's like, it's just so great. Like, and there's so many great James moments that have been caught. You know? It's bad. The age he is is fun. You know, the single, you're, I'm sorry, you're single until you're married in my eyes.

If you've got a girlfriend, you're, to me, you're still single. So with your single, you got disposable income. You don't really care about what's going on. I've been there. We all know that I've been there and you kind of don't have a care in the world, which this kind of area that he's in right now can be dangerous because you get sucked in by the light. You get a little bit of a diva mentality, which happened to me a few times.

I got myself in some trouble. So you have to be careful where you are right now, where he is because, you know, it's a dangerous area to be in when like everyone's liking you, things are going great because it just takes one little thing for you to fall. So I always tell him, just be careful, everything you're doing, you're hilarious right now, but just just tread lightly. So you think that James thinks he's the number one guy in the group. I mean, I think it's a tie between him and Ariana. No, I hope I like I said I love James. I think he's hilarious. I think he's grown up a lot.

I love watching him. I fact I just got off the phone with him now. Him and I are doing a night together at Sir next week. But so we're just having fun. What night is that. June, not next week? No, we're in June yet? No, June 13th. Okay, cool.

Yeah, June 13th at Sir, we are having. Okay, my birthday is June 14th. Should I come and do a prayer? I think I'm gonna have a prayer. I think we're gonna have fun. We're gonna have girls. Yeah, all right, I'm coming. I'm coming.

Okay. I'm happy for James though. He's doing real well. It's gonna be Jane and everything like that. And he just bought his first house. Yes, I saw the house looks really nice. When you heard James and Raquel broke up, I mean, now there are...

First of all, let's back up into the proposal. Do you find that weird that Tom Sanneval paid for the proposal? I have thought that was so weird. I thought I was weird. Did you not check his finance? Who's his money person? Because now he has problems with the IRS. Maybe you should have checked in with that guy

before you spent 10 grand on planning somebody else's. That was 20. Was it 20 grand? Okay, I don't know. Okay, but okay, so wait a minute, wait a minute, back up. So you're paying $20,000 for somebody else's proposal with a girl that you're gonna initially,

well, you could probably were already hooking up with. Let's be honest, he could've- So what is your thoughts on that? Because we know they have best up to seven months, but there's a lot of, you know, Bravo detectives that have reason and strong theories to thinking it was before that. People thinking- 100%.

Was this part of planning the proposal that he wanted to show her that he was the better guy in a weird way or was it him just wanting to show the world that he had the money and because he's not good with money he's thinking funny grand at that time what when it's rolling what Tom what Tom does this is Tom's thing his M.O. he does things to look good on TV He did it for me. Oh, here's this. Here's that and then like if you do something wrong He's like look at all the things that Tom's done for you. He uses this as a decoy like this is his his mo

He does things for other people so he looks good in front of other people But he's not really a good person like that's that's not how it works And I've called this out and people were just like no, he's a good guy. Jack's you're just being this, just being that. I'm like, no, like, for instance, he gave me this, it's pretty, that's sword with the signature of Randy Jackson's. It's a kind of a, we love the movie, a stepbrothers. Okay. They did this exact same thing. They had a samurai sword where they got Randy Jackson. It's, we love stepbrothers and Wolf Farrill. And it's kind of a running jump between me, Tom and Tom. It's kind of an inside joke that people don't know.

Anyway, the fact that he got a samurai sword signed by Randy Jackson, my favorite movie, stepbrothers, it was great. But I had to return it. I know what this is going. He's using this. We do have to return it. I just didn't want anything from that guy. He uses things against you.

You returned it to him. I put it on his patio. I should know that was like the least to run it with the bunny. Yeah, I don't want anything from you. Like it's it because you use it against me later down the line. You know, it's just it's just nothing from. When did you start to see her? Okay, because with that when that happened after the reunion, I, um, I was at Lala's

at Grewdown looks next door to Sheena in Palm Springs. Right. And I was and I asked about that. I go, well, what was that about? Were they already hooking up? Why would he pay that money? Or is he just really done with money? And he really, anything's 20,000 was flowing at the time. I'll always be able to make $20,000. Like what was it? And they, I think it's a little bit of all that. I think it's a little, I think all of it. And also both Gina and Lollis said, he was that person that did all,

that was the first to call you if someone died in your family. He was like always like the really nice person to the group, you know, very showy for the camera. But he's not doing it because, wow, he's a good person. He's doing it so he looks good in front of everybody else. And I know it's hard to understand. And people are like, Jack, you're reading in this. I've never been wrong on this show never never never never

So I know and I know this guy like the back of my hand. I've known it for 20 years. It's it's a game. It's a show It's it's a facade. It's not real so then after 20 years of it and the sword and the wedding What was that like a home moment where you like, I see him for who he is, and I'm just, I'm going to put my foot down. I just, I think, you know, leaving the show was kind of my, I didn't wanna be part of the same, because I knew what he was doing. Like, I, he would get away with everything.

He's literally been getting away with this for years. This is, this is, Rekel is not the first girl. She certainly won't be the last. That's just, so you believe there were many? I was partquel is not the first girl. She certainly won't be the last. That's just. So you believe there were many? I was part of it during the Miami situation. I was there. What is the Miami situation?

So that was a big after. Why am I not everybody, what the Miami girl is? Because that has been brought up a lot in the last month. I think her name, in fact, her name is Anna Marie. That's her real name. So about what season one or two, and that was, it was literally a week after Tom and Ariana started dating

Okay, we did an appearance in Miami We had some girls in our room fact There was that girl was in our room fact. She was in the room next to mine fact. They hooked up back I don't and that was literally a week after they started dating That's a hundred percent true. I was there and that was a literally a week after they started dating that's a hundred percent true I was there. I was literally 10 feet away. I could he it's a hotel room I can hear that what's going on like and so now he's dating Ariana. Yeah, he reminds you

This is a week after they started and he had broken up Yeah, but there was a my there was a key in Ariana kiss at the golden nugget Hotel pool with the shark tanks right right slide. Yeah, so it overlaps yes So and that was but they still went back and dated he still dated Kristen after that just like to make out Then they break up and he starts dating Ariana for good and And then this Miami girl comes about, how did the Miami, did the Miami girl DM Kristen, how did the girls find out about Miami girl? Well, you know Kristen, she's McGuyver, she can figure out anything. Okay.

So I can't remember exactly how she got wind of it. I don't really remember because I didn't say anything at that time. I knew about it, but I didn't say anything. I don't remember how she got wind of it. I think maybe we met the girls at the pool in the lobby of the hotel, and then they came back up to our room afterwards. And I think maybe the girl maybe just was like,

oh, the reality star is he was not dating somebody. Maybe I can get them in trouble or maybe I should deem, I think maybe she just got involved somehow. I don't know, I don't want to say, but this is what I think. So that's kind of like how that happened. Then she flew out here, right? So she flew out here. Kristen was like, you know, this is how Kristen is, right? She's excited about it. She does do this. She does, right? And then Tom, she showed this girl, Kristen, I think flew her out or she flew, I don't

know how she got there, ended up at Sir Ariana and Timber behind the bar. Tom's eyes get this big bolts out of the restaurant runs home like a little girl Who runs home now he's done this before when you approach him on things like this he bales and can't just own up to it So that's what happened And and then are you on a I think our Anna was just kind of like I'm not gonna listen to any of this people are just trying to like kind of like I feel bad it's the same thing even this season. She kind of didn't want to hear it like she's like You know Tom is the type of person that does have a lot of friends and some of them are girls and I trust him and she's really I guess had no reason not to trust him because he's Pid it very well for very long for so long that you know She really never reason in your opinion during their nine years of being in a committed relationship

owning a house together Yeah, cocked up together which is often ever since should have never happened in my opinion. I might be what did you think? I heard they were. Yeah, well you might as well be married. I mean be easier to be married and rent than to be not married and own a home together in my opinion, especially cutting the profits and all of that. Well now this for the exact reason of what they're going through right now, you know, poor Ariana, okay, Has to deal with all Tom's tax issues,

leans against his house, IRS, owing this. Like, now she has to deal with that because she was connected to him. So now all of his crap that he's gone through, and this is the exact reason you do not buy a house with somebody. But she didn't know, she was looking at Tom, like, okay, he's gonna take care of me, this is that. And little does she know, he was borrowing against the house

to pay for the restaurant that he's got going on. That's about to go under as well. So I mean, I was, I was just a little so bad for her. But you know what? I love that she's like doing so well right now and she's killing it. And I'm just so happy for it. And she seems so happy with this new guy who I want to be friends with. He seems like a really cool guy. I mean, I just, I'm just getting back to the story about that. I mean, yes, I mean, she made- But I just getting back to the story about that. Yeah. This is why I personally, this is my opinion, like, you shouldn't play house because this is what can happen.

This is what can happen. Well, I do think as a viewer, it seemed like a major commitment move for a girl who, throughout the show, would say, I don't want to have kids, and I don't wanna get married. She said it over and over again. And so then I like it. And in her defense though, she said this over and over. So if Tom didn't like that,

we should have left a long time ago. She made it very clear she didn't want A, B, and C. She wasn't like, well, it was a hidden thing and mixed signals. She made it very clear. This is the way where she stood. And then the fact that she, after nine years of going against what she wanted to know what I love this man Tom. I'm gonna try to freeze my eggs when I saw that I was like oh my god time you are cheating on her and she's literally took a decade of her beliefs and said you know what for Tom's sake and because I love this man. I'm gonna freeze my eggs. Even though it's something I don't wanna do, I'm gonna do this for the man that I love.

In the back of my head, I'm like, you're wasting all, you went to the doctor's office with Schwartz doing all that, that knowing in the back of your mind that you're cheating, that you're probably not, like you're wasting all these people's time with people that really do wanna have children. Like this guy, this doctor's office,

it's hard to get in there. It's not like, you know, whatever, It's hard to get into these fertility quenna clinics I know women that are be cry every day They can't have kids and they're trying to get in and they can't afford it. They got to raise enough money And you're just walking in here and lotty-dotty die. It's a TV show I'm gonna pretend to have freeze my stuff like that is so f up and what did do you have any knowledge of what did happen? They never did make the embryos right? I don't know. I don't I don't know. Let's help they did I should ask her that. I mean let's talk to the other

that's how they didn't I hope not for are you out of sick because like I said that because now you have viable embryos but it's with a person you don't want to deal with like I mean do you remember the Sophia Vagara case that was a fucking nightmare she made embryos with her ex and then they had a contract where if we if either one of us decide not to go forward then we then they don't get made she gets married to the hot guy what's his name ninja nala whatever's near they don't want to have kids they're like late 40s they're done she already has a son from when she was 19. That guy went to court everything trying to say, I wanna raise those embryos so that he could kid her with child support.

And then she has two children out there. I mean, it was a big nightmare. So it's like, you have to be really careful whether you're gonna have a child like by yourself with a donor or somewhere where you you have complete control of it. Like look at Lala's awful situation. Or you're married and you're down and this is like, but doing this can you imagine if they did go the next step

and then she found out about, or even went further and she was carrying the baby. Like, and just like I said, I'm taking a step further, as a woman, okay? You are set into your ways, right? This is who you are. And then you show a tiny bit of vulnerability, right? By saying, you know what, I love this man, I'm gonna do this.

Then this happens. How does she ever trust again? How do you go through, I'm looking at from my point of view. She's a very strong girl, she can probably do it. But as of like, as I'm looking at from my point of view. She's a very strong girl, she can probably do it, but as of like, as I'm looking at from in her shoes, like she took all this time and finally said, okay, I'll do this for him and then gets let down like this. And then how do you go back out there and be like,

I have to trust again, I have to, you know, so getting back to what you were, I just, that's, that's I have a hard time with that. In your opinion, your opinion, you think, and we see hints from the reunion, you think that there were several random indiscretions on Tom Santa Ball's part throughout the nine years. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I do believe that. I do. I mean, I mean, I believe it too. I mean, I'm sure it's very easy. A lot of girls are very happy to hook up with someone and have no

strings attached, especially when it's like a good looking guy that they watch on the show. Tom is very like he comes home for clock in the morning every, you know, every night, the guy can't just sit home and watch a movie. Like, I'm a homebody. I don't like leaving my house. I like to sit home and watch TV with my wife. We have movie nights, like he can't do that. Like, he can't just sit at home and watch a movie.

He has to be out, he has to be drinking, he has to come home at three or four in the morning. And mind you, as Ariana, right, she's sitting and she's a homebody. She's like, you know, me and Brittany, she works at stay home and watch movies. So mind you, she's getting the time when she comes home at four or five at night drunkers can be that has to be miserable for her

every night you know he's like well I have this time I do come home to get you come home at four or five in the morning and you're a hot mess thinking like cigarettes and beer well he starts to like switch around people were dying that she that he was saying oh I run the house and she I make sure there's batteries and pens in the drawers and she doesn't check on the toilet paper Whatever that was this is this is so that's so like that's the stuff you argue about when you're a child I mean so ridiculous. No, the best part is I'm working on our love. I go out and get her lattes Kidding me I work on our love I go get lattes every morning like oh You do kind of you do a pretty good impression of him. He's just so like because he's so dramatic. Yeah, you do

dramatic like yeah, I Know you don't know you don't know that big go there. You don't know like it's just like dude enough with the act You're a grown man like you're a grown man at this point. Well, you're supposed to be a grown man That you know you own a home together. You're this and you're playing this like You're acting and then also she she got something like he goes She also we watch blind date or love Island or whatever any goes. No, that's your thing with you know You do that with other people. It's just like with Logan aren't the term about Logan the gay friend Yeah, that's the best friend. I love Logan. Yeah, and I'm like so now you're gonna try to give her shit that she's giving too much

Attention to her platonic gay friend Because you're not you're fucking her other best friend. Yeah, like she's not fucking Logan. Yeah, like I was just like oh god I mean, and honestly that's like that's relationship killer 101 owning a bar and being in a band like I mean, I don't have you ever met or heard of anybody in your entire life being faithful who owns a bar or in a band. And he does both. And does both. I mean, they're both, it's a delist band and a delist bar, but still either way, it's still, I feel bad for shorts, by the way.

I should say. And now how do you feel about shorts? I feel like he's in the ring. It's not. It's so not fair what he's doing to shorts. You know what? The right thing would have been to do. Everybody knows the right thing. Tom should have said, hey, listen,

and this is what the right thing to do. Tom, when he found out, he's otherwise as too busy. Sorry. Schwartz said to said, hey, listen, you told me this, say it was Monday, I'm gonna give you till Wednesday, and I'm gonna say something because not only is this gonna

affect, you know, our friendship, but this is gonna affect our business, our finances, like everything is gonna, that's what should have happened. But then again, Tom's not his father. He's like, he put him between a rock and a hard place. Like, what is he supposed to do? He's friends with Ariana. He's friends with, uh, uh, uh, Santa Valle.

Like, what is he supposed to do? Yeah, he should have came clean. But then it's like, I have a business to run. I got a million dollars tied up in this. Like, is it gonna affect this? Like, I mean, guys, it shorts is already dealing with enough. He's got three brothers that are struggling with alcoholism. He's got his dad that's in and out of the hospital. Yeah. He's got his dad that's in and out of the hospital. He's got his mother that lives, you know, in South Carolina,

when his other family's in Florida. I just, guys dealing with enough already. Like, he's like, I don't know how he hasn't had like a stroke or a heart attack because he's dealing with that. And then he comes back to LA, finding out that Santa Claus cheating on Ariana, it's gonna possibly affect his business that Tom Schwartz just put his life savings in. When do you think Schwartz found out in your opinion?

I think he's known for a couple of months. And I talked to him about it all the time. He's like, I'm like, I'm not gonna ask you when he knew. It's like, this is, I feel like. Well, the last. But He's like, I'm not gonna ask you when he knew. It's like, this is, I feel like. Well, the last episode that we saw, which was at the tasting first, and then they went back for Lisa's birthday. That was like September, right?

That's before BravoCon. Now, people said the reason they didn't go to the tasting is they found a photo. I saw someone pull up a photo of, because it was the same outfits of them and they're like weird dumb and dumb or outfits kind of. And he was with Joe, who he dates now, right? No, he's not dating her. Okay, well, he was dating her for a minute, right?

That's a whole other story. She showed up the other night. We're like, what is she doing here? We were at, that's a story. Joe was a friend of Christians too. she's weird she is weird and then became she's like a crack that's what she is that's what I call her you're Kristen 2.0 circa 2010 yeah and she and she had written Katie like a really nice note after that Katie and Schwartz broke up and Katie shared it somewhere on her

stories or whatever, being like, I'm for you, I'm on your side, whatever. Then Joe moves in to the other bedroom of the two bedroom apartment. Right. Tom can't be alone. Right. And then it appears that they, I guess, dated for a minute, but they, it was Joe Schwartz, Sanneville and Raquel all went to this other guy's event before going to Sur and that's why they didn't go to the tasting. So people are like, they were on a double date. There was also... They went on a ski trip together.

Big Bear. They went to Big Bear. That's more than a few months ago, Jack. That's like all the way... You're right. So do you do short snow in september i i think he's known a lot longer than he's saying i don't know the exact date was a really long time i think he's a no he's

he's known a lot longer than he's saying but that that whole trip to big bear being out the public like that holding hands with another girl when you're with our like people were gonna see you i guess they got caught out in the scam that ran out of some restaurants when people called him out yeah i mean what are you doing you doing and the fact that shorts went along with this was kind of weird to me I'm like dude, you're you're allowing this to happen. You're kind of a Well, you know when when that great scene where they were in drag did you get in drag to for that of a

Can we start on that I will get you started on it. What the who I don't know why I allowed that I will get you started on it. What the fuck? I don't know why I allow that. Who's ideas? Who's ideas? Who's ideas for all this crazy shit that we do? Sandeball. Yes. He's the only one that ever wants to do the drag thing. And I'm like,

I'm like, why? Why? Why? Why do we always have to dress up every... No matter what we do, if we go get ice cream, let's dress up and drag. Like, we don't need to dress up and drag. We're going to get ice cream. You know? We're going to blockbuster. Do you want to dress up and drag? drag. We're going to get ice cream. Like, you know, we're going to blockbuster. Do you want to dress up and drag?

No, we're going to get a video. Like, it's always the drag thing with him, which I, how long has the drag thing been going on? Been going on for a very, very long time before the show. Yeah, honestly. Now, one of the, there are other questions. Yeah, I'm not getting into that.

I know you're going with this. I mean, I'm not going to say, because I don't know, and it not getting into that. I know you're going with this. I Mean, I'm not gonna say because I don't know and it's teaches on so whatever his Sexual fluidity might be could be a little more fluid than we know. Let's just say that. Yeah, yeah, okay so You guys get have to get in drag and that was forged was that Schwartz's bachelor at party. What was that for which one my bachelor at party? You know my bachelor party you know his back where they're where they were he's a random sunday the one where he's can't all is half drag like the wig is off but they he's

still is like a wig cap and he's crying oh that's the bachelor party that's time shorts is that's right party which was a night nearby and he and cater fighting and he goes look at and look at shorts he's like a fucking battered white yeah in all in over analyzing all this and going back I believe shorts is a battered white yeah but sand balls the battering husband and shorts is very easily manipulated he's very easily talked into things I feel like and I talked to shorts the other day about this I'm like you know I'm not going to get in this I'm like you're getting it you're my friend I haven't seen him in a, and I talk to Swartz the other day about this. I'm like, you know, I'm not gonna get in this.

I'm like, you're getting it. You're my friend. I haven't seen him in a while and I say, hey, let's go have a drink and let's go whatever. We went back to his apartment and now we're just talking. I go, hey, listen, I'm not gonna tell you how to run your life. You're your grown ass man, but you gotta cut the ties, dude.

You gotta cut the Abilical Court with sandable. He is doing nothing but bringing you down and you do not deserve this. You're a good guy. People are seeing you now and calling you names and you're getting dragged to the mud and you literally have done nothing wrong. Should you have said something sooner?

Absolutely, but should of what it could have. You know what I'm saying? You're between a rock and a hard place. It wasn't your place. I don't think it was his place. He should have said. He literally told everybody but Ariana. I think Kyle Chan knew.

I think a bunch of people knew. He was Kyle Chan. The jewelry guy. The jewelry guy. And that's whose event they were at. Yeah, I mean, I think knew I think a bunch of people knew his Kyle Chan the jewelry guy and that's who's a bent they were at yeah I mean I think he's told a lot of people he should have told Ariana stop telling everybody else did the the Chan guy give give the uh the lightning bolt necklaces and then we see that she buys the lightning bolt necklace yeah where does she get eight hundred dollars from well why are there rumors that she's worth 30 million on the internet?

Have you seen that? 30 million? Yeah, like if you look up her network, do you see her apartment? I don't think she's living in there. I don't think she's worth 30 million. That's why when people bring that up, I'm like, that has been debunked.

That's like a weird, like, urban myth. Yeah, yeah, no, that's not true at all. I hope she's getting the help that she needs though. I mean, if that's the case, if people, again, I don't really know what's going on with her personally, but if it is a mental health situation, and I hope she's not just going to a hotel

and quote unquote saying that I'm in a mental health, that's what I've heard too, that she's just staying in a hotel and telling people that she's got mental health problems and she's also using other people's other women who do struggle with mental health. She's saying, I agree and I understand she's kind of using this as a scapegoat. I hope that's not the case.

I hope if she does have something that she really is getting help and not just using this as a, ooh, this could be a way out. You know what I'm saying? In shorts as defense of what keeping his mouth shut for so long, I think that don't you think that Sanneval probably said to him, look, the plan is we're going to be done with filming soon. We'll do the reunion. Then on the break, you know, on the hiatus, I will break up with Ariana and, you know, and then when I start dating Raquel, no one will know, you know,

that we dated before. Do you think that's how it went? I think that's what he told Schwartz to keep Schwartz quiet because he was like, look, if we can't find out now, like it'll be more hurtful to find out on camera or whatever, let us break up with her not on camera when we're on hiatus. That will be less painful to par Ariana so you just keep your mouth shut that's what i think you told shorts

yeah i mean i i i could see that i could see that i can see and like i said shoot sand of all kid manipulates the hell out of shorts that is a fact he will do whatever he says and that's why said you got to cut ties this is not make making any situation easier and this is not healthy for you for anybody. Like this is, yeah, but if he cuts ties, I mean, he has to cut ties. He doesn't have like, they're gonna lose the bar. They're gonna lose everything.

People are going to the restaurant. People are saying it's like packed. I went there on Thursday night. There was five people there. That's was 10 30 at night. There was five people there. Oh. And the bar manager, the owner,

they can't stand sand of all. They don't want them in there anymore They want to buy them out. This is all I'm hearing this. This is all people things are saying so All right, let me ask again, and it's not cheap to have a bar now like you got right so you got over How are you footing the bill for this who's paying for this? And then I know I also know that he borrowed some sand Sanable borrowed like 200 grand from his mom, his retirement fund. So you, like knowing this in the back of your head, you have all this money tied up and all this, knowing that this could jeopardize your business, your mom's financial status,

your best friends financial status, and you still decided to do this. Well, I mean, I think it's the ultimate narcissistic move. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, can I make it very clear by the way? I have no like to stand on when it comes to being an asshole. I've been my fair share of mistakes. I, you know, I've, I've cheated as well. I think the difference is is the way he went about this

and the way his lack of empathy and just the whole affair thing. You know, like I said, everybody in the show is, is cheated or done something wrong. It was silly and you know, whatever. But it's never gone like to this. And I think that's kind of why it's gone on so long. Do you think? Because I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact

that why this has gotten so bad. Asking you a guy who's a recovering. Scumbag. Yes. When you do cheat on a girlfriend and your cheatings that were featured were essentially one night stand type of things. So when you're entering that moment of I'm going to have I'm going to sleep with this other person and I have this girlfriend at home and I've had a few drink

How does a guy like you? How do you justify it in your brain? How do you compartmentalize? Well, I'll tell you how I was I was I was going through hell at that time, you know, I was going through Well, I'll tell you how I was. I was I was going through hell at that time, you know, I was going through Just some personal demons and I was insecure as all hell. I hated who I was I you know living in this life out here and am I good enough? Am I still good enough? Do I you know? I just didn't like the person I was and it had nothing to do with the person who I Hooked up with at the time and I'm not gonna say who it was. It could have been a hole in the wall. It didn't matter who it was It was just whoever was, you know, there.

And I knew going in, this is a bad, but I just hated myself at the time. You know, as you guys know, on the show, I've been to therapy millions of times, nothing worked. I just didn't like who I was. And again, I was just a very self-destructive person. And I thank God, I thank God that my now wife is just an amazing woman and stuck

by me and said, listen, I know you didn't do this just to hurt me. This is something that you're going through and we're going to get through this together. And I think we fixed it. And it didn't just happen overnight. I had to work my ass off to get my wife back, work my ass off. I didn't like who I was at the time. Let's just make it very cool. Well, I've often said know and I didn't like who I was at the time let's just make a very good I didn't like I've often said and I was insecure I was very insecure and I

was like I didn't I was just going through a lot of things personally I'm not trying to justify it but people ask why you did what you did I'm telling you the reasons why I did what I did and I just didn't like myself and like I said I I had a I have a very strong strong woman in my corner like very very strong and she saw the bigger picture and she knew this is not him. He's going through something and she's like, we're gonna work on this, but I'm gonna make his ass work for it. And she did.

And she did. And I mean, I think, I think in your case, and in many guys, and I've said this before, it isn't about the girl you're partner that you're cheating on. And oftentimes, it's not the girl that you're having the indiscretion with. It is your own insecurity and your ego boost someone structure ego and at that time you're insecure enough that you need it you take it right and it's it is really about you and you know and oftentimes with girls.

really about you. And you know, and oftentimes with girls that are the one like sleeping with the guy who's connected to someone they know, whether it's personal or famous, that oftentimes the girl is kind of obsessed with, I mean, whether you're watching fatal attraction or whatever, where someone wants the life that this other woman has. It's not even about the guy. It's like, ooh, you know, like I fuck, you know, back in the day, I fucked Lamar Odom. You know, he was fucking me and he's married to a Kardashian. That makes me like one step closer to it. You know, and I think there's that. And then add an element of the fame and like with Raquel and I don't know if she went this deep there's but there's it's not only shri her ego for example or cal

her ego is getting boosted by tom wanting to be with her but then also being friends with with ariana i think that's not that i think that's not what is this prettier sexy more mature more like but on the show forever girl. Yeah, no, today. And no, not to, I think that's what they, the fact that Ariana Raquel were so close and were friends and like, she was sleeping over at their house in her bed for so long and the

sleepovers and the skinny dipping and the hot tubs. Like it went to a whole different level. It wasn't just a, you know, a little thing here. This was like a whole going on for so long. And I think obviously that's why this is put everything else that's happened on Vanderbilt rules on the back burner because this is pretty intense. And it's pretty, I mean, I got to say with the way social media is nowadays and everything, the fact that they kept it's a secret for so long, as you know, it's impossible. I think it's impossible to cheat nowadays. It's impossible. It's, well, I

think it's for the same reason that even, even though Lala on the show had moments on camera where she's like, I think things are up. I mean, the season ended and nothing was exposed about the affair and- That's because they never talked about it. Even the school around the show, Santa was very like, I'm not talking about my relationship,

would never talk about it. And I had no- Never talked about he and Ariana. Yeah, he never talked about he and Ariana and I had arguments about this off camera with production. This is bullshit. We're on a reality show together. He always gets away with not talking about his personal things. He can always just scapegoat it and go into everybody else's and tell everybody else how to act, but he never dove into the relationship. And I said this many, many times, he never got into him in Ariana's relationship.

He would always just go right over it, go right over it. Like, oh, we're perfect, we're perfect. And always just go into everybody else's. And I said this for years, that this is, this shit's not fair. We're all in this together. We're all making X amount of dollars. You need to put in the work too.

It's not fair. And I always say that too about a reality show. When someone shares everything, their cracks or therapy they're fucked up, you know, family, whatever. And then someone doesn't. The reason why it does make people like you that exposed every bad thing about yourself on the show, why it would make you resentful.

I'm like, it's like if you all worked out a factory and you're working from eight to seven and saw on Santa Claus leaving at noon. leaving at noon right and not coming back after lunch. Exactly. That's why people are like that's why people then sometimes want to call out that person on the show to and why they get resentful. And I think they are now. I think you're finally finally are now.

It was like are you having this redemption moment? And I of course I smile a little bit a little bit more because of what's going on because for so long, I was always looked as the bad guy because they would just, you know, I don't want to say right in my co-tales, but no matter what they have done, I would trump that. No matter what I did, it would always be talked about and magnified. You know, I'm saying no matter, you know, what was going on in the show, if they did something wrong, it wasn't talked about as much as compared to what I did.

So I think the fact that when I'm not on the show anymore, now all the stuff's being exposed. And that's what I think. And you went and he did end up going to your wedding, right? But he wasn't in there. He wasn't. I got forced into that. That was not that was not my choice. My wife set me aside and goes, listen, you will regret this if you don't have them. And I and I was just like, I don't, I don't want him there. But I couldn't have Ariana there if I didn't have Tom there. And Brittany was like, I really want Ariana there. So if you have Ariana there, then you have to have Tom. So I'm like, this is my wife's wedding. This is her wedding. I want her to be very, very happy. So I'm just going to, you know, bite the bullet. And you think at that time, Tom Sanneval knew that you there was no coming back

that you knew who he was or do you think he thought, oh, he'll get over this and we'll be buddies again. Yeah, I think he'll just like, yeah, typical jacks, he'll just, you know, sweeping under the rug. And, you know, and for my wife and to make her happy, I did what I needed to do. And I invited him, you know, like, you know, what was the point? I just make, I just want my wife to be happy. And I want Ariana to be at the wedding because I like Ariana. I just didn't want him there. I just, I just, he's a, he's a slime.

He's just, he's like, what he, was James call him a worm. He's a worm snake. He's just very, like, he's just very manipulative. And so after the wedding, did you guys ever really hang? No, no, no. And if the show was to come back and invite you to be back on as a regular, would you film with him? It's a million dollar question.

I don't know. I mean, that's what I think I'm like, I- I gotta discuss it with people. If it were to happen, I would have to discuss it. If it would make sense, I'm going to touch a different place right now. I'm so happy. I have a right now. I'm so happy. I have a beautiful wife. I have a beautiful child.

We're just so good right now and things are so great. I don't know if I want to disrupt that. You know what I'm saying? It's like I haven't felt this good about myself and I'm not even emotional about this. I haven't felt this good about myself in so long. I haven't. I've always had these demons on my shoulder all the time and I just

I feel so good about myself and it's so I just refreshing. It's a great feeling, you know, and like I said, it's it's I'm not having my aha moment. I just I just feel good and like so if I dive back into this I have to make sure that it makes sense for me, my family, my friends. You know, I had to repair a lot of friendships. Lala, Shina, Ariana, Schwartz, Katie, stop. I mean, I have to repair, I had to repair a lot of damage that I've done over the years. So, and I'm finally at a place where I'm like 95% there. There's still a couple people that I need to smooth over

a little bit. Stasi Bo. But other than that, I'm just in a really good place. So if I were, I'm not saying I am to come back to the show, I would have to discuss it with my friends and my family first. And if they thought it was a good idea, then okay, but it would have, that's what the way I'd have to deal with that. Yeah. That makes sense. What do you think? No think no i mean it totally makes sense and i mean

like as someone watches a show and someone who's real what i think makes this show so interesting and always has been is that you guys are real friends yeah have real history but i you know i do believe that people can reflect and change. And I find it's like psychologically, this show is extremely intriguing. Like this could be a college course. Like this, I will not be surprised if like in communications and social,

sociology classes in the future, people will reference this like a time in history that we could actually watch it happen and watch the relationships and everything I mean I talked to colleges about this already like I over them in the past I've gone to colleges and they are people ask questions. How does this work? Why is your show so successful? Why does your show better than everybody else to show and I have one word It's organic. This wasn't a casted show. This wasn't Susie. I need you to make out with Jeff Jeff. You need to cheat on Kathy Kathy you need to be best friends with her, but you got to pretend like you got this show already Or even that they do a casting of like we want to do a show about a bunch of waiters

Yeah, and we want to make sure that there's one person from this part of town one person that's this sexuality one person that You know like they didn't you guys were actually Friends which made it so brilliant and when they start to alter that yeah, which they have started to do a little bit on Vanderpump rules They start adding people that aren't necessarily friends because you see like people aren't stupid fans of the show love the show They know when the when the tapings over everyone's at my house. They still are my house is the central location where everybody goes And then you're like well, how come this person's not there? Well, how come this person's on the show,

but they're not over? Because they have to, because the show's been on so long that sometimes they have to add other people. And there's new people that are gonna come into the group, such as Ali, by the way, James New Girl from Ali. I think she's a sweetheart. I think she's a beautiful person. Yeah, she's very likeable.

But there is some people that are like, on that are like, what is she doing there? Well, you know, or like, no offense. I'm not gonna say names. I'm not no offense to Charlie. Okay, that's she's a cute girl But I don't understand literally when she was never seen her once in my life I'm the necklace. It took me a minute and I go wait a minute. That's not alley. Yeah, exactly I forgot because also Hey, she wasn't involved in the storyline either so when they're editing there was nothing It happened with her. It's not her fault. I'm sure she's like a cool person. Oh, I'm sure she is

Like it just doesn't really make sense in the show It doesn't it doesn't that's why she's not featured as much, you know because You know you I just think for being on the show for so long the show's gone so long people real people know who's friends And who's not so when you throw in like, the show's gone so long, people, real people, know who's friends and who's not. So when you throw in like just the random person, you're like, this isn't real. Like you know what I'm saying? And speaking of which, do you think Billy Lee,

who was only on for a short period of time, ever hooked up with sand of all? Gina believed so. Yes, she said yes, okay, that I'll say this. She said it on her show, on her podcast. Yeah, I, if you're asking my opinion, yes, I do. Yes, 100% And so recently they showed her leaving his place. It's all that. Do you think she called the paparazzi or do you think she stayed and She thinks could be true at the same. You know, I I wouldn't I wouldn't put it past her

But again, I don't I don't know her that well, but I don't I don't know I don't put it past her. But again, I don't know her that well, but I don't know. I don't know. They're all a sneaky bunch. They really, really are. I don't know what's going on. I don't know. I don't know. I think it'll come out or eventually come out. I don't know.

Maybe. I don't know. Yes, I think they hooked up. Okay. Yeah. What do you think? I mean, I kind of thinks so. I mean, I think there was chemistry and a friendship.

And I mean, I just, I think, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if in, if show comes back, Santa Claus is still on it, it will be, I'm a sex addict. Curious like. And I'll be the next thing that he kind of explores in therapy or whatever. Does he have some type of, you know, why does he do the things he does, which can be really interesting for people at home. If we like, he really went through, I don't think he's a sex addict. I think he's an attention addict.

No, maybe. I think he needs a lot of attention. Like, he needs the focus to be on him. He needs to be the life of the party. He needs to be putting on the biggest show. He needs to be putting on the biggest show. He needs to like, he needs that. That's his drug. The choice is attention.

I don't know if it's, if it's sex per se, or if it's just, or controlling. He can control Requel. He's very, Ariana, you can't control. She's a very strong individual. She will not be told what to do. For Kehl, you can tell her to do anything. She'll do it. Especially now you have Tom telling you. Do you think there's any chance that

they will continue to see each other and date and be? That's a great question. I don't know. I mean, you know what? Now I'm watching it too. And now he's doing these concerts and kind of poking. It's really disturbing. Okay. So I'm putting fun and saying, Raquel is not for me. Yeah, like dude. You're disgusting That's disturbing like you've already you've already you've already laid the ground for what you've done Now you're just digging it deeper like you're poking fun of the fact that you did this for so long against Arianna My jargon is doing fine and she looks super happier

But still like you're still like digging at it like poking fun is is something so personal. Like you're singing about it. And then adding your best friend's name in it. That is where it's starting to get now. It's like, dude, you need help. You need help now. Yeah. It's gone one far. Now you're taking it such a step further that now it's like getting part to like,

well, you're making fun and you're trying to make a buck off this. You right. You know what I'm saying? You're trying to keep it going maybe? I don't know, but what do you think? Don't you think that's really disturbing to throw her in this change the lyrics of a song and rekel is not and he had the lightning bolts on either side unlike a listen i think now he has

come to the place where like you start to lose it i think he's starting to lose it in a sense but i also think he's like now let me take the lemons and make my own lemonade and now let me try to profit off this because everyone's so obsessed with it. And if I stay, I mean, it was kind of smart because if you said it, then that one viral, that little video went viral. I saw it.

People talk about it. And even though, you know, people are like the show sucks and whatever, there's enough interest that people might go, let's fucking just go for the fuck of it. Like there might be some, you know, bravo fans, and that's that's what that's but the tickets are free now right so basically they're buy one get one free or I mean I think are people going I don't know I don't know but listen I know as a stand up and Sometimes when I do my live juicy scoops and I get you know if I bring a couple more people it's more X I make less right if it's just me alone If I bring a couple more people, it's more, I make less. If it's just me alone, he's got a whole band.

That's why he's probably having a financial trouble. Even, even- It's a nine person band. You've got to know everybody. No, exactly. I mean, when even when Lou Ann started her cabaret, she had a lot more people. Now she's tapered it down. You have to think about how you have all the trouble.

And then you have bands. I just have a light. Travel, hotels, yes. What? It's a lot. this and that and yeah I don't I don't know I don't know how how it works. I don't know. It's probably not profitable but he's gonna he's gonna you know see out these dates. So I don't know. So it'll be, you know, really crazy to see. Now we're gonna play the dog, okay? But Randall.

This is the pre- The, uh, the- This was the crazy story. Outrageous- Devastating. Did say. Randall Emmett is sketch at best. Randall Emmett, Pauline Wood, moving producer.

Lala Kent's reality star, Vanderpump Rules. Randall Emmett, the life style new year! It's the lifestyle. The role choices, the jets, you paid so much just to have status. Vanderpump Rules, it's about these young, hot 20-somethings. This is the juiciest time in reality show history. How could I not have been smarter? Like I beat myself up. Daily.

How was my daughter having to pay for my stupidity How could I not have been smarter? Like I beat myself up. Daly. How was my daughter having to pay for my stupidity and me keeping my blinders on and not wanting to be right black? The Randall Scandal. Love, loathing, and Vanderpump. Wow, wow, wow. Holy cow. So, I mean, you guys- Well, do you want to hear my side of story, I miss you guys, I definitely want to hear your side. Well, he owes me money. I make it very clear on my podcast,

and I'm going to keep making it very clear on my podcast. He owes me $75,000, and I'm going to explain to you why he owes me $75,000. I was doing bridge loans with Randall before COVID. You know, I would invest some money, then he'd promise me certain back. And it was working out for the first three movies. Everything was fine. Then the last movie I did, I invested $100,000. COVID happened.

Movie didn't happen. Okay, no problem. Can I have my money back? And I'll reinvest again when COVID's over. I don't have the money right now. It's not, well, why don't you have the money? If there's no movie happening, I don't know. I'll call you back.

Listen to that. And then this, this started happening. Now, I happening. Now, I am not a studio. I'm not Disney. I'm not paramount. I am a family guy that has a mortgage that has a family that has to put food on the table. So, this is a big deal to me. These studios can recoup that. They don't care. On a grand, there's nothing to them. I'm a family guy and I'm your friend. I'm the only one. The only one that has stood by you through all this crap. When Lala, like, wasn't gonna be my friend anymore, when nobody was gonna talk to me anymore because I was friends with you, Randall,

because I thought you were a nice guy, you were nice to me. And we were making money together, and I thought, okay, this is okay. But then, you know, and all these, I would get up all the time by LA times. All these people, do you wanna do a story on Randall? Did you hear about Randall? People telling me do not invest with Randall,

do not I didn't get my money back. Multiple people. There's another one that just came out last week. Another guy, I can't say his name, from Miami, said he's delinquent in paying me no. And this was last week. And I'm like, you know, people, you know, they told me and I didn't listen,

but I thought I saw a good human being in there somewhere. I don't know how, but I just thought, you know, this is another way of making some extra income, you know, and to pay my bills. And I got screwed. He hasn't paid me back yet, and he's doing another movie, and he's like, well, I'll pay you on the next movie. Well, you're on movie number two, and I haven't seen a check, and every time now his lawyer won't get back to my lawyer and it's just it's just a mess like just pay me what you owe you you're taking it from a family guy like I'm trying to pay my mortgage I ain't trying to go buy planes and buy cars I'm trying to put food on the table you know making a lot of extra money so my king go to get king go to college like stuff like that like I just don't get it so you work the money go? Right. So you guys met as I did through social stuff.

Right. But you at the for some, you guys hung out a lot. Right. And had a lot of fun and everything. And I remember when we hung out that night, went to the Kachelle party, that was really fun. And you were like, no, we're looking at property, yeah, they're out here and everything. So when you first heard about the photo of him walking across the street with the girls, did you think for sure he's cheating?

Because I didn't. I actually thought this is just someone got a photo of him walking across with some girls like, you know, but then all of a sudden it was just like all of a sudden it all came out after that. But part of that I thought, no, this is just, you know, but then all of a sudden it was just like all of a sudden it all came out after that But part of that I thought no, this is just you know people wanting to be and search themselves in this story I think so too. I don't know what we're allowed to say what we're not allowed to say and especially with him Owing me money. I don't want to get myself in trouble here because I'm trying to like I'm just trying to recoup my money here Yeah, but you know I was wrong. I was a 100% wrong. I trusted the wrong person. I thought,

you know, we had a good business deal going. And like I said, it was working for a while. And like I said, I don't know what he did with my money. I don't know what he's done with anybody's money. I don't know where it went. It might be in his house. I think you over spends and tries to live out of his means. You know, to look cool, I guess. I don't know, but it's just really disturbing, you know, especially you have daughters. You have three daughters. And guess I don't know but it's just really disturbing you know especially you have daughters you have three daughters and guess what the internet is never gonna go away they are gonna read this one day they are gonna see this you're gonna have to explain yourself one day. Just like i'm gonna have to explain myself one day but you know i just don't know how i i just remember a story that happened so key i was um I just remember a story that happened. So I was seeing something come, someone let me know that this girl

that has a podcast to Dana. She was $25,000 sunglasses from Beverly Hills, anyway. She started, yeah, she has a podcast, but at the time she was just spooing on Instagram and she was saying Randall owed her $5,000 from many years ago. And anyway, then she came on my show and he saw that she was coming on my show and this was what everybody's good. Like, where lawless and love with them, there's, I don't know if it was before after COVID, but I was planning on going to the wedding. Okay, so something was, you know,

and, and I go, I go listen, I did talk to her, I did not put it on the show, but can you give her her 5,000 back? You do owe her from this thing that she did. It was a can film festival thing that, you know, he promised that he would get this room on a yacht and then like just, just blew her off. But then also said, okay, I've got your money, come to the office, did it run around to get the money? That's how I got my first portion I had to do the run around meet me here then we get there meet me there. No meet me there. No meet me here

No, I don't have the money come to my house like every time I was going to I was it was a cat mouse game And that and I was like that's kind of shitty like the run around and I go I'm gonna put you together and You know if you give her the money like she's never gonna talk about it. I'm never gonna talk about it. She's not rolling in and she would like the money. Right. So he did. And that was that. She went on to do her thing.

We never talked about it. So then when all this stuff started to happen, you know, I was like, wow. And then there was a Megan Weaver story, Megan Weaver and Jeff Lewis did interior design for his home. And he owed her money. And not until she talked about it, I think on Jeff Lewis finally interior design for his home and he owed her money and not until she talked about it, I think on Jeff Lewis finally, then they got the money, but it was still not the full amount

that she was supposed to get. And it was like, okay, so okay, some people, you know, it's not cool when someone has a pattern like that, but it is a pattern, it's like, and I'm just as a blame, I'm the idiot that didn't do my research. And I was, I'm the sucker that said, you know what, he wouldn't do that to me.

He's never done that to me. And then he did it to me. But I mean, he is so charming. And he is like, and that's what it is. It's charming and fun and, and, you know, and great and all that. Yeah, but I'm not, like I said, he borrows mostly from studios and, you know,

multi-millionaires I just thought hey This is maybe a nice way to make some extra money while you know I've looked for my next thing and he promised me this and he goes my mom's doing it too You're gonna be on the same scale as my mom and this and that so I was like okay I mean he's like I do this to me. I think we're really close friends. We go out to dinner You know he tells me a lot of things and I just thought I Guess I thought wrong. I was just an idiot. Like everybody else, I just, I believed him and I thought.

So when it broke and Lala was no longer with him, you still had this business going on. So you're like, okay, well let me just like, roll this a little bit longer. I know and I was like, Lala, I'm sorry. Obviously I have to finish this because in Lala's, you're never gonna get your money back. That guy's always everybody in their brother right now. And I'm like, I have to try. I go, I have to finish this because in Wallis, you're never gonna get your money back. That guy's always everybody in their brother right now.

And I'm like, I have to try. I go, I have to try. I go, I feel like he knows me a little bit better than that. I'm not a studio. I'm his friend. I'm the guy that he would call in the middle of the night when he has problems. I thought we were closer.

I just, I don't know. I guess I'm just an idiot. I'm an idiot because I thought we were friends. I really did. I also think is one of those people that makes several people feel like they're that person that calls them all night. Because he was calling me. After the day, what do you. I really do. I also think it's one of those people that makes several people feel like they're that person that calls them all night. Because he was calling me.

After the, hey, what do you think I should do? Do you think I should do this? I look up to you. I'm like, you look up to me. It made me feel good. I'm like, I've been hurting. You're older than I am. And you're a fan.

I just thought that was really cool for him to, and I was falling into his manipulation. I was like, okay, all right. He's like, okay, I'll get you this next month. And it made me feel good. So I'm like, okay, it bought him some more time. Hey, want to put me in him? And what he does is he puts you in a movie and then okay, that buys him more time So he didn't have to pay you back and that's what he was doing. Did you get put in some of these?

I've got put in a I got put in a couple of them and he was like, you know, he's like, okay He's like, okay, this will buy me some time so I don't have to pay him for another month But I never got paid for many of those movies either so I'm gonna pay to act on no I was supposed to, never did. Oh, no. They did turn the paperwork to SAG or whatever. There was some BS reason. And I was just kinda like,

just the runner- Just the runner- I'll just add it to the list of BS things you've done to me. I'm like, how do you do this to somebody? Especially he was like, a guy who's like has a family and you know, that's the part I have a problem with. Like I said, people do it to studios all the time, but you do it to your friend, like your actual friend who you call in the middle of the night when you have a problem, like

you are just a bad person. I hope you get your money back. Me too. I hope because you're, you know, saying it publicly, you jump to the top of the list. I just don't know what else to do anymore. Like I don't know, you know, it's not like it's 20 grand. It's, they're even not even it is. It's money, you know, it's not like it's 20 grand. It's, they're, even not, even it is, it's money, you know? It's, and it's like, what, you know,

you're not gonna keep the secret. I'm not gonna keep the secret anymore. Like, I told him that, I go listen, Randall, like, you know, people are coming to me, I told him this. I go, LA Times is coming to me. This Hulu documentary is coming. Everyone's coming to me to talk. And I go, just pay me the money.

And then I'll go away. Okay, he's like, well, you gotta talk to my lawyer. Now to my lawyer now my lawyer toss his lord now his lawyer's ghosting mine So it's just got to get why do you check to his lawyer like why? We're gonna pay more money basically instead of just paying it off you got to go through another lawyer like you have to pay these people Lawyers want their money. They're gonna come after it. So you're paying more money for this I think it was just the right thing it was just again a runner It was just a by time and I know he's got the money. He's got the three or four cars that he's got, he's got the, you know, the house and bell air.

So he's got it there. He's got it. It's not like he's, he's got a new girlfriend that he's buying handbags for and going to Miami. Like, so it's not like he's like hurting by any means or he's, I don't know what he's doing. I don't know. I don't know.

I mean, that must be so frustrating. Yeah, I know people see it. And I know people see it on a non-public level and they just lent money to their friend and they just see their friend on Instagram. Exactly, exactly. And you're like, you still owe me a grand bitch. Like, I get it.

Now on your scale, it's like, wow. $75,000, it's a lot of money. Yes, it is. And I got 25 and like I said, it was a cat and mouse game to get that. You know, it's just the exhaustion of chasing it. It's also chasing and I had Britain in the car. He was like, meet me at this place. Meet me at Ralph's. Meet me at Gelsons. Meet me at the cafe. And then I get the check and it's scribbled and it's not right. And I do the bang and then I redo it again because he he put it in a scribbley so nobody can know what night to go back and do it

again. And I'm like, it was just like an all plan, all plan, of course. Like, why? Why? Why? I don't understand. Like, this is why you have a bad name for yourself. It's the run around that I think is the rudest part of it all. Really? You know?

The way seeing your time of like that, because I'm like, I know, I mean, I've heard of what people do with that. You know, they do the wrong. They're all Peter to pay Paul type of thing. Yeah, or on the check, it's the, you know, the wrong date of the wrong thing or the yeah that where they're like wow this is too much we can't do that can you just you know and the like all man god my stupid assistant did it uh... you know yeah exactly let's talk about kroy and uh... kimsel's act both kory berman the berman's are getting divorced

we know now that they both filed he in fact filed first then she filed that she probably learned in tmsd so it looked like she did she had photographs of her picking up the kids they both want the kids custody of the kids they seem so happy together social media no well of course they're whole i think what is really hard is when you're whole livelihood

especially then is about, were this Fappy family, they had the reality show about their happy family, and oh she was always doing the long diatribe of like, how great is, and that he does everything for her and everything. And then of course, on top of it too, overspending. And also part of their persona is being super luxury spenders. You know, their persona was not, let me show you the best deals at Costco. Their persona was the latest handbag, the Louis Vuitton luggage, the, you know, everything. I just saw a clip of where both she and the oldest girl are talking about how they spend now, and

now that the other girl Ariana is into getting her hair her hair makeup. She's like, we spend, you know, four to eight thousand dollars a day on glam for the three of us. We all wear wigs now, which I'm like, why are two girls that don't have, you know, hair issues, wearing a fucking seven thousand dollar wig to go and do an Instagram post? Like, where do you go from there? Like, when you start at that level, then where are you gonna go? What are your thoughts on them? I just, to be honest,

Kim's always been so kind to Brittany and I, every time we see her at a level and she's just like, I love you guys. She always seems like a real person to me. Okay, I don't know what everybody else sees, but you know, every time I do a post on Instagram, she messaged me, love you guys, you guys look great. You know, when I heard that this came on, she messaged me, I love you guys, you guys look great. You know, when I heard that this came out, I messaged her,

I hope everything's okay, you know. They sure are fine. Thinking about you, yeah, she's like, thanks, sugar. So, you know, I don't know what goes on my clothes doors. We don't, and I just see how she acts to me. I'm a very like, face value person. How you act to me is how I'm gonna treat you. And like, she's been nothing but kind to us.

Especially at all the bravo cons and all that. She's the first one to be like, I love you both. Brittany's so great. She's so beautiful. You guys are so good together. She's just so kind and sweet to us. I just hope the best for her. I like I said, this was a shock when I did see this

because of the persona they put on Instagram. I just thought, man, this is a great couple. Like he's always out in the backyard doing stuff. Kind of like me. I was like, well, okay, this is, I hope people don't think about this I got what I mean I definitely think both things are true I think they're both good parents I think all of that you think so it seems like it's pretty it's amicable no it's not amicable at all I thought maybe okay I thought this is what I'm

thinking this is now from what I see it's a financial thing so there's that okay maybe we should split to ease the pain or no. I don't know. I mean, you think he's more mad at her or she's more mad at him. Okay, the first that everyone speculating, they're like is this fake? Is this to get on another show? Is it for her to have a show about how to housewives? Today the latest article from a very close friend from Page Six says she is not at all thinking about going back to housewives. They, she shared with friends months and months prior that she was thinking about leaving. The estimated money stuff didn't help, but that's not the only reason. Right. And that there is no other guy because there was rumors that there was some guy in LA,

some rich older, you know, big, poppet type guy. This person saying, no, that's not true. I don't think anybody knows with them. But, you know, hopefully, I can't imagine that you would do a fake divorce when you have four minor kids that are elementary age to get on TV. So I don't believe it's fake. I can't because you can't tell your four kids that are like in fourth and fifth and sixth grade, hey, if anyone asks you about our divorce, just say, hey, I'm sad. But mom and dad, you're actually getting back together.

And we're gonna be a Tarnia Father party. Like there's no way. I just want people to be nice to the kids because like I said, at that age where they're just kind of like, what is going on? Like they don't understand it. I just want people to think that it's fake. I'm like, I can't, you can't do that with four other people.

If it was just the two of you right then maybe you can have a weird like kukuts you know like okay uh... like the still owns right they said they're getting divorced so it's a slice to loan and his wife and it was like wow they're getting forced after all these years and i think we're just daughters and it turns out no we're not getting divorced and by the way we have a reality show and we

filmed this. Okay, now you have three 25 year old daughters, whatever, that want to be the Kardashians. To them, you could go, we're gonna fake a divorce. We're gonna film this. We're gonna act like dad's really mad. Then he's gonna come back. This is gonna get us PR.

And then the show's gonna be hit. Like, you could say it to your 25 year old kids that this is like 900% true, don't freak out. You can't fake this with, like, that would be so cruel to do the little kid. So unfortunately, it sounds like this is not amicable, but maybe there is a chance they could get back together, but I would say no.

That's sad. Any time people go through divorce is it sucks, especially when there's kids involved, together, but I would say no. That's sad. Any time people go through divorces, it sucks. Especially when there's kids involved. Especially being a parent now. You just want to protect your kids at all costs. So I thought, I, you know, watch everything on Housewives and all that and all your shows. And I just want to say about this show last night, Real Housewives Atlanta, which I thought was great for the future of Bravo shows because I've been begging for it forever. And especially if you come back to

Vanderpump and the future of Vanderpump. I have been saying I just want to watch you guys live your next chapter, whether you know, you're launching something, you're working on this, whatever. You can still go to serve and have a meal or whatever. But we don't have to pretend that all of a sudden, Jack's tailor is gonna go back to swing some shakes and rings. And Brittany's gonna pick up a host to stay. I know, we don't need to see that. It's a little weird when people are showing up to serve for their shift driving $100,000 cars.

Yes, and they live in a $3 million home. Yeah, yeah. It started to happen towards, before we got like, you know, before we got married like two seasons before we got married, people were starting to be like, come on. You know, because everyone's buying home and like this, and it was just hard to like play the act anymore. Like we couldn't even work anymore. It was getting to the point.

It was just too crazy in the restaurants. We couldn't even if we wanted to. So it's like, everyone's going to be like, I need a photo. I at least had a bar in between myself and people. The girls that are waiting tables are like, right there. So it's like they can be touch grabbed, whatever. So yeah, I agree with you 100%. We need to be able to break the fourth wall.

That's okay. So what they did on the show about breaking the fourth wall, which I thought was great, is the girls are talking about how they, out said bravo con, we saw each other bravo con and then next week's episode they're showing clips from bravo con like some beef happens at bravo con we're gonna actually see it them talk about it on the show and I'm like I love that. Yes I love that.

So here's my idea, okay. You're welcome Andy Cohen and bravo. Okay, Jack's comes back on the show. You guys go to BravoCon, but you don't stay at Seasers. You stay in some sick house. There's, you know, ask Josh Altman to find you a house, okay? To rent for the day or rent for the weekend. And you guys all stay there and you bring your cameras there.

And we can film that, you know, and then they were not taking footage from watch what happens live they have their own footage but you we see what happened in Vegas while you guys are in bravo con it's a great idea thank you great idea I'm I'm I that's a great I'm sure find the next thing because we know you're going to be able to come we know that you have launches and you have businesses and you have clothing lines and like the Kardashians did that after a while Yeah, I'm kind of like listen. You can't you got to have to break that while people are not stupid They're like okay. They're not doing this can we just actually see what they're doing because yes We're still gonna watch we're still gonna watch regardless if they're slinging drinks or not

We're still gonna watch so let us show you what we're actually working on And as a reality show fan, I think it's be what are then when the producer walks in with a, you know, with a COVID mask on, and says, can I ask a question? And I'm like, yes. And he asked Candy about this like shooting that happened at one of our restaurants. He's like, hey, can we talk about this?

And they're like, they're like, no, we can't, because there's something legal going on, but they kept all that in. And I'm like, that's juicy as fuck. Like, you know, the interviews, you know, the professionals when that producer like says, you know, Tom, did you really do it? Like, fuck. I love when I bring that. The interviews, the professionals, when that producers like says, Tom, did you really do it?

I love that because you're breaking that barrier and I wish they would do more of that. I just think that's the next evolution of the reality shows. Especially at a show's been on for six plus years, seven plus years. And we wanna stick with the people we know. It's very hard to break a whole new,

there's been other shows that have been like yours. There's one now, I think too. I think the producer of Vanderpump rules left and started Southern hospitality. Okay, so there's a couple. They're using the formula that Vanderpump used and they're trying to do it on, but the problem with that is,

you're taking people that aren't as good as Korgobo friends. You're casting. What they did is they go and they're like who's working at a restaurant. She's pretty, she's pretty, he's good looking. This is let's make a show. It won't work. And it didn't work. I watched a little of that couldn't get into it. I just watched a Southern show. Martha's Vineyard where they basically do summer house, but it seems to be all cast. They try to act like they're kind of friends. Yeah, and like, and like, people know that the watch shows,

like, okay, we gotta amp this up more. We gotta be more mad than we should be. And like, you don't have to do that. You can just be who you are. It comes out organically. You don't have to be like, you just met someone and you're already starting a fight with her five minutes. Like, come on.

Like, you're not starting. It's just, I think people just see these shows that are so successful, and they're arguing and stuff goes's just, I think people just see these shows that are so successful and they're arguing and stuff goes on. People I need to know that these people have been friends or in these shows for years. You don't need to jump out the gate and start an argument with Suzy on episode one.

Like, it doesn't happen that way. Well, and it's trying, you know, and it's trying to do that. Like, I'm going to go back to your... It's very try hard. It's very forcing it that you're... Well, I always say like like when friends was a hit, the actual show friends. I was going out for auditions and stuff.

And I must have gone out on like six different pilots that was Copycat of Friends. But instead of Friends being in New York, it was Friends in Seattle, Friends in Alaska, Friends in San Francisco. Do you remember any other show, but Friends? No. No. It's hard. It doesn't. People you remember any other show, but friends? No. No.

It's hard. It doesn't. People try to copy the formula and it's like everything, it's lightening the bottle, everything has to. It's just like why a sitcom like everyone loves Raymond is a hit forever. It's because the writers, all were best friends. They all, like actually when I did an episode of Frazier and they were like, oh, we're on the lucky lot. And I go, what, we're on the lucky studio.

There was like one where like, I love Lucy and Cheers and all this stuff. So they got that. So they had that going just, just Hollywood luck. But then I remember I'm waiting and I'm like, why is an end of everyone in their dressing rooms? And they're like, oh, we don't have dressing rooms. This is literally the room with respect.

This is where we hang out. All the cast of Frazier was hanging out, talking about their weekends and what they're doing, and they were all friends. And then they would go do their thing. They weren't all sitting in their trailer on their phone being alone. And the same thing is like the modern day sitcom

is the van or pump, you know, over the Kardashian, whatever. And it has to be that that dynamic. It has to be that you cannot just reenact it. You can try. And that's exactly what I talk about when I do these when I go to and do these talks about the show and how I so successful. That's exactly the reason right there. That's exactly the reason why it's successful. Because you took something that was pre-existing and you took something that's, we're such a good group of friends already that nobody's

acting. This is who we are. The camera's show up. You turn them on and then they turn them off. It's just, we are who we are and it's just, it's already all there. It's organic. It's not forced. It's not, okay, we have to make this.

This has to happen. This has to happen. It just, it just happens. And it's just, there's no, there's no forcefulness and it's just, it worked, it worked. And you know, I tell everybody that, the people that are at USC in film school, why does your show work?

Why is your show gone for 10 plus years and this show only lasted a year? That because of that, because of the chemistry and how organic everything is. And people just get so desperate, like, oh, we can make a show like that. It's a lot easier, you watch a show like we can do that. No, you, well, we can make a show like that. It's a lot easier. You watch a show like we can do that.

No, you can't. You can't. You've got to find something that's already there. So when I tell the cast of people that are going to school to be in casting or in P and like picking up pilots, find somebody or find a group of people that are pre-existing, that have been friends for a very long time, let a core group that this already exists.

This is easy. This is simple. They can go in, they get everybody's dynamic, they can tell that they've been friends for a very long time. Let a core group that this already exists. This is easy. This is simple. They can go in, they get everybody's dynamic, they can tell that they've been friends for years. And this could be a show. This could be an actual show. Not, you know, it's just too hard when you start casting. It's just too hard.

And people are smart. They figured out real quick what's true and what's not. Well, the audience is very sophisticated now. Yes. The audience knows how, with all the reality shows now and all the, you know, the social media, right after it, and the reunions and all the people that have their own podcasts about all these shows, you can't fool anybody.

Right. You really can't. You really can't. Well, before you go, tell everybody what's going on. So people have a chance to watch some of your peacock episodes. Yeah, it's a bummer we're not doing anymore, but they gave us the opportunity to do three episodes. We basically are just recapping the show. So you're basically watching the show with Brittany and I Recapping everyone is loving. They really did. I wasn't sure what people were gonna think and they loved it. Watch them and let Jack know I know I would love to do more of those those I think it was kind of a budgetary thing and they wanted it the production company was amped and I think I don't know if Bravo shut it down I don't know if anybody I don't know I don't know if it was a budgetary thing but

it was just really awesome and we were so blessed to be part of that we just thank you to peacock for having us do that but it's a lot of fun it was really funny and the best part about it is all I had to do was come downstairs and jump on my couch and go to work it was great it was great everybody was a lot of fun and basically talking my couch and go to work. It was great. It was great. Everybody was a lot of fun. Basically talking about people and not people having to talk about me. It was great. I get to pick everyone's life apart.

It was nice. It was actually shocking. I said, as you guys know, I don't really watch the show. That's the first time I was watching episodes of Vanderpun Bruegel's and for the first time and just being like, oh my God, oh my God, I was actually feeling like a fan for a second. Yeah. It was interesting. And it was just an awe.

And I became, I can became a fan again, especially of Katie. I became a fan of Katie, you know? Yeah. And James, I just really liked it. I had fun doing it. Yeah, they're both great this season. They really are. And I didn't realize.

They're getting to know them like we haven't before. I've always bumped heads with Katie too in the past. And I really saw her this year and I felt bad what she had to go through with Tom and shorts and it was a messy situation but I think Katie's doing a lot better and I'm definitely a fan for sure. Yeah.

And then you guys have your show, your podcast. Yes, when reality hits, it's awesome. We're just talking, you know, everything in life, being on reality, being married and having kids on reality. Basically, it's Brittany making me cry every episode. No, I'm kidding. It's just a lot of fun.

We're gonna talk to other villains on reality because let's be honest, if you don't have a villain on reality show, reality show doesn't exist. It doesn't work. You gotta have the bad guy. And I'm actually giving people. Wait, don't you have another show coming out? Oh, I do, but we can't talk about that.

Oh, okay. You know what, everybody else gets to talk about their new shows coming out. And I'm but we can't talk about that. You know what everybody else gets to talk about their new shows coming out and mine I'm the one that shot mine first. Okay. This is all coming out before mine. It's like yes. It is is it out there. Okay. Then you don't talk. This is my knowledge. All right. You're doing some type of show like a big brother competition something and it's like villains, former villains in life and in reality shows get together to do something. That's what I've heard. Anyway, it sounds juicy.

I found juicy and if that show, if I dreamt that up, you someone take that idea too, but I don't think I did. Anyway, that sounds, that sounds good. So, yeah, so, but the reality show, I'm sorry, the reality show, the podcast right now is a lot of fun. We're having so much fun with it. And it's nice to be able to clarify up a lot of stuff that's happened over the years. You know, used to be able to fill the show

and then I have to clarify everything up six months later down the line doing a talk show. Now I get to clarify my mistakes up on a weekly basis, which is nice. But yeah, it's a lot of fun. And like I'm excited to talk to other villains from other shows, as like I said, villains are the ones that make the shows happen.

I think, and I think it's nice to give them a little bit of a platform and explain why they're such villains. So it's exciting. It's a lot of fun. And it's just another thing that Brittany and I are doing together and we're enjoying it. And then you're just busy with Cruz. Busy with Cruz busy being a dad and so gorgeous.

Thank you. He's such a tree. I'm like, I go, busy being in a dad and so gorgeous. Thank you, thank you. He's such a tree. I go, oh my god, he is so good looking. And Lala's like, oh, cruise is too and hasn't jawline. I know. They always seem like his jawline, I know. I know. I know.

No, all the kids are so cute. I love seeing all the kids. Almost time to think about another one pretty soon, I think. I, well, I know, I just, I told you, did I ever tell you how do you get pregnant with the second one? Besides having sex. You do sex. Listen, I just heard from another person.

It's called the Heather McDonald method. I've gotten hundreds of people that said they've tried every other things. My method is free, but it's just people don't think about it. They start peeing on the sticks. One of my ovulating all that stuff. What you do is after you finish the period. You have sex every other day for 10 to 14 days, not every day, every other day. I'm telling you, every other day after the period ends. Now, before the period ends, it's done with the period. Then every other day for two weeks, you have sex. It's a lot of sex.

But it's every other day. And try it because I can't, I just heard it from another girl today that said, I can't believe that it worked because we've tried a bunch of other things. Really? And it really works as I had trouble getting pregnant with my second just because you're busier with the one right and I was in my like I was like 34 or whatever so I was like okay it was a little harder than when I got pregnant with her first and this girl told me it and I was like all right done and that's why I spread the word of it because it's hey if it doesn't work it doesn't work but it's worth trying for a month. I'll try it. Yeah, I'll try it. You're ready for it Why not start your whole modeling agency?

Thank you guys follow jack for having me. Oh, so good seeing you so juicy. So juicy Well, what a great interview as you guys know, please go to HeatherMcDawald.net and get your tickets to my live show. And if you can't go to the Vegas show, we are so excited to say we are doing another live stream. This will be the third one I've done of a live show. They're always well received. Everyone is always thrilled that they did it. Right now, you just go to HeatherMcDawald.net,

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