Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Jelly Roll and Bunny XO Divorce & Real Housewives of Rhode Island Mistress Exposed

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

On today’s episode of Juicy Scoop, I am breaking down the absolute shocker that Jelly Roll and Bunnie XO are divorcing! Is this split completely manufactured, or was the whole marriage a total sham from the start? I'm also diving into the Father's Day social media madness, calling out which celebrities actually celebrated their former husbands and baby daddies, who chose total radio silence, and who pulled it off the best. Then, we need to talk about Million Dollar Nannies, a wild new reality show that has me completely stunned that these supposedly wealthy parents are willingly exploiting their private lives and their own children just for a fleeting taste of TV fame. I am so excited to be joined by the hilarious TikTok sensation Evan Lazarus, who blew up by masterfully recapping Bethenny Frankel’s unhinged social media presence; plus, he’s dishin' all about his personal ties to the Real Housewives of Rhode Island and that infamous mistress who completely hijacked the entire season. Finally, we're covering Boy George inserting himself into Dorit and PK’s split, Lisa Vanderpump making nice with PK, the shocking allegations surrounding Milania Giudice’s domestic violence arrest, and whether Teresa's new book cover is totally AI-generated! -Elevate your summer wardrobe.  Head to quince.com/juicy  for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. -If you're ready to finally sleep great and feel like yourself again, head to bioptimizers.com/juicyscoop and use my exclusive code JUICYSCOOP to get 15% off any order. You'll get great discounts, free gifts, and the peace of mind of never running out. -Get a free can of OLIPOP! Buy any 2 cans of Olipop in store, and we'll pay you back for one. Works on single cans of any flavor, any retailer. Go to drinkolipop.com/JUICYSCOOP -Go to Leesa.com for 30% off select mattressesPLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code JUICYSCOOP, exclusive for my listeners -Sleep cooler this summer with Boll & Branch during their Annual Summer Event. For a limited time, get 20% off sitewide at bollandbranch.com/juicyscoop with code juicyscoop. Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠https://heathermcdonald.net/ ⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠ ⁠https://www.patreon.com/cw/juicyscoop⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopTZFUvAeokrJJ6dQ5wuAW1T3nssO6pHk47u7KymJUBtBgKCvfX⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald/⁠ TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, there's so much to discuss. I'm so excited to get into today's show. I was on vacation. Of course, you had new and fabulous episodes, but a lot in the world of pop culture has happened. I talk about my crazy trip in the Bahamas. We did this thing where you go to this place called Pig Beach. and there's a lot that happened with the pigs and a lot about my trip. And I have to say, I put it on my Patreon and get me behind gates, and I have never gotten more responses as this is your funniest vacation recap that you've ever said. And thank you very much. So please check out Patreon.

I also, you know, do an episode every Friday, as you know, which is, just the more juicy thoughts, but the top is the get me behind Gates level, and that's where I talk about the trip. So if you're wondering, where's the trip? It's a one of a kind. And of course, I've been on there for 10 years almost. So once you join, you get to go back to all the juicy episodes and no commercials. So wanted to share that with you. But I made it back alive. And here I am with the pigs. And the baiting suit that I'm wearing is from TA3. I've been wearing them for a while and they snatch you in and there you go. So I just wanted you to know that. Now, Jelly Roll and his wife, Bunny XO, broke up this week. He filed for divorce.

I listened to Bunny XO has a podcast called Dumb Blonde podcast. And there were many clips of her podcast on TMZ. I listened to the whole thing. How did this couple break up? They were the poster children for when a broke, convicted drug dealer who's overweight but can sing with face tattoos falls in love with a happy hooker in Vegas and they decide to get married on the first night they meet. How did this marriage not work? It was shocking to all of us. and especially when they suddenly became Christian in the last year and a half of their marriage. There's so much about this couple. I've always really liked Jelly Rolls music.

Then I came across her and saw how popular she was with her podcast and her personality. She's extremely attractive, sexy, gorgeous. So you look more into this relationship and they both admit that she was, the one that had some funds. He was totally broke and was just singing to like 20 people in a bar. And she's like, listen, he's like, I'm fixing to get custody of my daughter. She's like, I don't know if we're going to work out as a couple, but I will help you get your daughter. So she helps him get a place and lawyers and everything. They get custody. And then slowly his career starts to take off. The whole time she's taking care of him, she is.

is very honest that she had sugar daddies paying for everything. So they're married. He knows she's still seeing sugar daddies, but that's taking care of the kid and his career. And then they explode on stage. And every time I've seen him perform, he thanks, Bunny, loves Bunny and Lord Jesus Christ. And I think to anybody sitting around,

they're like, oh my God, this is the ultimate, like, story of Jesus and redemption and the fact that these two people that come from, you know, prison and, you know, being a sex worker and, you know, from biblical times, Jesus hung out with the prostitutes and go visit that person in prison. And it was like, oh, my God, and they're a good country singer. This is like amazing. And then I was like, wait, they have an open marriage. That's weird. Yeah, they have an open marriage. And she brings in girls. And then it was like, oh, Then there's a clip of him crying on a podcast. I cheated on Bunny.

So he cheated on her with someone that they didn't all include in their fun threesome or whatever the case or she wanted girls or didn't want girls or I don't know. But they're still, oh my God. And then they're trying to have a baby. So then we hear he files for divorce. Not her. But in the meantime, he went from like 400 pounds to like 200 pounds real quick and got. himself, you know, full real housewives husband, Jersey chompers. Like he went to the same place, like every Jersey husband has gone to that's been on TV on Bravo. And he gets the new choppers

and he really slims down. And you're like, ooh, we've seen this Ozmpic divorce happened before. And it all makes us nervous, especially when all of America and Christians are cheering for this this couple that just, man, they have each other's back right and left, you know. And you're like, okay, so now he's going on hikes and everything. And all of a sudden, I'm on vacationed in the Bahamas, I'm being chased by pigs on a beach. And I'm like, what? And I see this whole thing? He's filed for divorce.

He, okay? You're like, you were, didn't have a pot to piss in. extremely unhealthy in your body. She is this stunning girl that's the happy hooker of Vegas. It becomes stepmother of the decade. Okay. How is this happening? Wait, what?

So then we look more into it, and people have all these conspiracy theories of what is it? What is this marriage, you know? Is it so that now when you type in jelly roll files, it's just jelly roll filed for divorce because there was this other thing called jelly roll files that is way more nefarious, and it's a clip of him talking in a very unchristian way, referring to him and his wife as Gislein and Epstein, could he be joking? I don't know. I don't know. There's all these things going on.

And you're like, what? So then I listened to her podcast, the tell all podcast. And my God, you know, this is the happiest, most cheerful, most delightful divorce that has ever happened. She said they were twin flames, which I think twin flames is fucking weird. And, you know, Megan Fox and what is his name? Machine Gun Kelly, their twin flames, you know, who are also twin flames for the people that are old school pop culture people. Billy Bob Thornton and Angelina Joe Lee. They used to suck each other's blood and shit too. Well, they're not together. She's not together with Brad Pitt either. Anyway, also there was a real weird documentary called Twin Flames. Look it up. Freaking insane.

So they're Twin Flames, they're soulmates. And she explains the theory of Twin Flames. When you're a twin flame, there's a chaser and a runner. And she's the chaser, and he was the runner. He was always the runner. I'm like, he was running one who's 400 pounds. Well, now he's 200 pounds and he's pounds and he's running up a hill hiking, calling her and being like, hey, Mama Bear, hope you get the great podcast going. Anyone want to know about our divorce? Check out my girl Bunny's podcast about our happy fucking divorce.

Like, what? What? Okay. So she's like, we are love made us famous, which I was like, now that's truthful. Now that is where I'm like, this is truthful. You were famous. This really helped both of your careers. This love affair, this unlikely pairing, this redemption couple.

But when you think about it, one is a sex worker pretending to be interested in guys and taking their money, which is fine. But still, not the most honest career. His was selling drugs, getting people hooked on drugs. you know, again, doesn't do it anymore, not the most honest career. And then we're supposed to believe that they're being honest now about their marriage and divorce. Only know they know what the truth is. I'm at this point, like, I don't even think they had any kind of a romantic marriage life for the last five years. That is my theory.

That is what I think. And you put it out there and I can give you my opinion. You know, then she goes on to say that she was always chasing him and he was always running and she finally was just like, I'm not going to chase you anymore. And so she kind of just stepped back. And then they got in a fight. And one day he just said, she said the cardinal rule, which is fine, file for divorce. She's like, we always said not to say it, even though he said it all the time.

And I'm just like, girl, like if this is true and you really loved this one time, fucking fat fuck, okay, that cheated on you and you did all this to, for his daughter and his life, why is it that you guys are such great friends? Maybe it really is that she sees the lemonade and is like, good riddins. And then she said, and he wasn't great in the marriage, but he's so great in the divorce. He's giving me the entire Nashville compound where I'm going to have my two girls that are on the show. They each get a little house on the, on the property. We're going to film a reality show there. I'm starting this whole media company. My stepdaughter who's mad at me today is not going to be mad at me tomorrow because I'm going to give her a podcast. She just graduated

from high school. And now I'm getting my groove back and I'm going to date and my girls are going to date. And you know who's also going to date? My guy, Jay, she calls him Jay. She's like, he's going to date. So hey, hey girls, you want some jelly roll up in you. Go DM him. Go DM him. His DMs are open and I'm going to be the ex-wife, but I'm going to be more than that because we're still having a baby together. That's right. We've had fertility issues, but we've got a nugget on the way. I guess there's a surrogate somewhere walking around with jelly roll and bunny's baby who thought she, just like the rest of us, were giving this child, carrying this child for them to give them the greatest, you know, love story finale family that'll ride and die till the end. You're my ride or die.

you know, this and that. Okay, no, now it's going to be, you know, they're going to raise this child together and jelly roll is going to come over and they all are going to be like, oh, jelly roll is here and here's the cameras and here's the kid and oh my God. Like, it's the most like unbiblical Christian stuff I have ever heard of. And I don't know. Like, I think a song, you're nothing but a liar. Yeah, you know what, Shelly Earl, you're nothing but a liar. Like, I'm over this. I don't know. I still think she's a good podcaster, entertaining.

I don't know. I'm going to be honest. I'm, like, it annoyed the shit out of me, this whole fucking week about the two of them getting married and divorce. And I feel like we're all sold a bit of goods. People are like, oh, I wonder if they're faking the divorce to cover their assets and, like, save whatever's coming, you know, financial ruiners or lawsuits or whatever. I'm like, no, they're not faking a divorce.

they faked a fucking marriage. That's what I think. I think they faked a marriage. I think they are friends and in cahoots and very much fine to get rid of each other. And he's very much fine to file for divorce right before the 10 years, give her this property. And she does very well on her own. But he with his music, I believe, is the wealthier and has the potential of that wealth growing and growing and growing exponentially more than hers. So he's like, here, take the Nashville property.

It's not Southern California property. I'm sure it's worth a lot, but it's not, you know, anyway. And she's going to do just fine. And she's like thrilled. Now she looks great. She has a new facelift. She's got, you know, the show, all these opportunities coming. It all worked out just perfectly.

But somehow TMZ got hold of the filing. How did that happen? How does, how did they know this stuff? Oh, I don't know. Jelly Roll and Bunny. I don't know how Harvey Levin found out that he filed for divorce when you're planning this whole thing. Anyway, they're best friends. They're still soulmates.

Have fun dating Jelly Roll. Okay. And being part of this weirdness. But he will have no trouble because he's rich and they'll believe it. And this is going to be so pleasant. And God bless this baby. You know, I'm sure the baby will be loved. but it's fucking weird.

And I'm on this earth to tell you that I think it is fucking weird and annoying. And I feel like we were all on this weird, you know, of cosplay, love, Christian, redemption story that was fed to us. And whatever. I don't even know, I don't even want to know the truth. That was it. You're annoying as shit. Oh, and then he was like sick. And then he wasn't sick.

And if you were like, wait, why is he showing photos from when he was in the hospital before? I don't know. The guy was a drug dealer who had an open marriage and cheated on his wife that did everything for him. I still like his music. Anyway, Chris, Jenner, it was Father's Day. And there were a lot of reports because there's a little slow day on TMZ of the posts that you do about the father. Okay? The father in your life.

Do you post about your father, your dead father, your stepfather, your stepfather, your baby daddy, your former husband, ex-husband, did you or didn't you? Well, Chris Jenner did a nice post in which she said to all the fathers, stepfather, surrogate father, whatever. And then they just basically put it all together and said she pretty much toasted every man in the Kardashians' life from Caitlin Jenner to Rob Kardashian, senior, to, you know, all the baby daddies and the Kanye's and the ex-husband. and the Scott Dissecks, and they all got their props. So thank you for that. But then they're like, oh, Giselle, Bruchin, Russian, whatever, Giselle. She didn't mention Tom Brady on Father's Day.

He's not her dad, okay? He's not her dad. And she has a new baby with the karate instructor, and that's who she wanted to toast. Nobody's obligated to toast the father of their kid, even if you are married to them and everything's good. You don't have to post everything. You know what?

They're not interesting posts. They're not. I didn't do one either. Peter's a great dad. I gave him a nice card. We had a fun day. I don't need to do it. My dad was a great dad.

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reality show with nannies and show their money to be on Hulu. The people that are going to do that, are maybe they're rich, but they're thirsty people, okay? And their whole thing is they're rich people that are trying to be famous and they put a lot on social media about opening Chanel boxes and maybe their kid got a Chanel purse. And then the producers found them and was like, oh, why don't you come over and be on, you know, million dollar nannies? And they're like so desperate to stop doing a regular job that they're like, ah, this way I could be famous. So there's then there's like a bunch of the nanny people that were all cast as well. And in one moment, the main girl who's like the one setting down the rules and everything,

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and putting the kid on camera. I mean, my God. Okay, the last thing I'm going to say is this article came out saying that Roney Syde de Silva from the latest cast of the Real House of New York is filming with Carol Radswell. And as you know, Carol was an original housewife. And when they were putting this cast together, they kept a few people from the new cast,

are bringing in new people, and then they brought the OG Carolyn. Carol has been on Juicy Scoop many times. I consider her a friend. You know, from the first time she came on Juicy Scoop, I asked her about the fact that there's a photo on her book that was photo credit. to Gislane Maxwell.

And I'm like, tell me that connection. This is like six years ago. She told the whole story on there that she met this girl through, you know, parties and friends in New York City. And that then when her husband died, she was in London. And Gis Lane was like, oh, you're all alone in London. She's like, yeah, I just didn't want to be, you know, in New York during Christmas. You should meet my friend, Prince Andrew.

They go on a date together. Nothing romantic happens, but they hang out. She has told me many more things since then, but one thing is she did not know that this woman was involved in sex trafficking. Her story has never changed. It was someone that she met at a party. We've met people at parties. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, my God, you know, not everyone knows, but there's been times where you're like shocked that someone you know is doing something horrible. So that her story has never changed.

They asked her to come back on New York Housewives. And now the story is while they're filming, Sye is, you know, asking and making her answer questions about the connection to Epstein and the Epstein files. And I just want to say, I like Carol and I thought it was an interesting choice that they brought her back. And I think this was completely calculated.

This is why they brought her back. They knew they had to have this season, pop or it was not going to live another season. And they probably told Si to bring it up. And it's interesting. It's juicy. It's in the news. It's horrible, but it's interesting.

Who really has a tie to this or not? And I think it was a total setup. And I think they've done this before with bringing back cast members of other shows. So there you go. All right. Now I'm very excited to bring on a very fun and juicy guest. We're going to get into Real House of Rhode Island from South. somewhat of an insider. Let's get into it. Well, now I'm very excited to introduce you to a first-time

guest on Juicy Scoop. You may be familiar with him. I discovered him on social media because I think his takes are so funny. Evan Lazarus. I am so excited to be here. Oh, good. This is the best day of my whole life. Can I say that? God damn. I love it. First of all, I just want to say, I can't believe we're wearing this same. Oh, my God. Cuff bracelet. Mine's in gold and yours is in silver. And I had a feeling. I had a sick feeling. God, that's so crazy. And you liked my outfit. I love your outfit.

I wanted to put together an East Coast Rhode Island nautical classy look for you. And girl, you did it. Thank you. God damn. That is nautical up the wazoo. You know, that's the theme of my barbentepa as well was nautical. I love that. So I always like an always tall.

So I discovered you because you were covering Bethany Frankel's social media. and I, you know, one time talked very honestly about Bethany Franklin and I didn't like that she was going after younger, smaller creators threatening to cease and desist and this and that. And after that, I was blocked. And I don't blame people for blocking people.

I have been known to do that as well. Of course. Because you're like, I don't need you to keep coming at me if you're going to. So I totally get it. I also am not a sneaky person. where I then got a other account. And so I don't get to see her stuff

unless somebody else recaptures it or does it. Though I've always found her extremely entertaining and fascinating. So for you, you basically would start to just cover her TikToks and explain them in like a Cliff Note recap version and it's such a unique, funny way. So how did you even come about that? Because that's kind of how you really pop. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like, yeah, the first four way I had into like a viral content. It started because I truly was, I mean, as we all are so deeply captivated by her presence. And she was posting tremendous amounts. And I remember just like taking this three minute Uber with my friends. And I just, I said maybe the whole Uber just like recapping every video at the top of mind. To the point they asked me to never do it again. I was like, well, guess what? The internet doesn't mind.

So I got, I tried it out online. I was like, because I just was like, I just posted like 14 different random. I was like, I'll do the Bethany Method. I'll post 14 random things see what happens today. Yeah. And that was the format I just like tried out because I've always been so uniquely captivated by her because she has some of the most, but she is a completely talented woman, a woman. But in the same regard, there's these like great discrepancies in her character that I just find so compelling.

Like what? Explain a little bit. Of course. So if her viewers are not familiar with Bethany, so much she is, of course, Roney, former cast member, but she has kind of deeply distanced herself from even like living people at this point. And she's like still has COVID brain. Like she is still, I think she isolated her so deeply during COVID that she hasn't like completely socialized. So she has a hard time like reappropriating with people.

And she just like constantly is putting herself in like awkward situations. I mean, my favorite Bethany moment that you brought it up is when she brought the old makeup to the T.J. Max. Oh, my God. The old already opened used makeup. She cleaned out her makeup drawers and thought she was doing, you know, a charitable thing by giving old used open makeup to a girl working behind the counter at T.J. Max. And when they said no, she then did a video like, can you believe? this ungrateful piece of poo. This is incredible makeup. And it just was, I think that's one of the moments that you go down in Bethany history. When you're in the documentary, clearly, that's got to

be the one. Because it just as like, how did you think? And also then after that, like, if I did something that dumb, which I've done, you know, in my life, like that you, because I do think she can be very funny to not just go, oh my God, I can't believe I did such an asinine thing. You're right. No one wants to use to makeup. Obviously, they can't take it. They're working there. Instead, if you really love the girl working at T.G. Max so much, give her a gift card to T.J. Max for a hundred bucks. And just go, here you go. Like, how fun when you have a day off or whatever. Like, it just was so and the chicken salad. I mean, I think that chicken salad is what popped off. Can you explain the chicken salad? Of course. So there's been just like traditional American recipe for, I would say, hundreds of years now. But in her mind, she's kind of created it and reformatting the structure constantly. Yeah. One time she had a kuman in it and she said it was like this, it was a, it was an act worse than death. I just, I just, it's so cool for her to take ownership of something that no one's ever asked her to. Yeah. It's like Dave Portnoy with the one bite method where it's like, I guess we can have this random, you know, it's just, I just, it's so cool for her to. It's something that no one's ever asked her to. Yeah. It's like, it's like, it's like, I guess we can have this random, you. I'm do. It's

man screaming around town talking about pizza, but it's like, what does he know about pizza? What does she know about chicken salad? And what's so great is that like in this world, you can do that. Yeah. And people can stop following you or they can make a career out of talking about you. You put it out there and people can take what they want out of it. And, you know, it is fascinating. Well, she doesn't like a chicken salad and I would say about two years at this point either.

She hasn't talked about it because she talks about if she does not like any of them. She keeps trying them and be like, oh, this one's terrible. But she did like the one at the cute store in Montauk, right? Yeah. And then she's comparing everything to that. What? She compares everything to that. But then she got mad because she showed up there and they weren't as excited to see her.

And she was like, you wouldn't have survived this year without me promoting your chicken salad. Even though the store had been there for like decades. I think it's round swamp, I believe. Yeah. Was the store. Yeah. It's like, by the way, it's like, it's a mad house in that place. It's about, I would say, 150 square feet total.

I've been there. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah. It's one person per square foot. I've never been in a situation like this before. It's like they never needed her. Roundswap to survive the summer? No, girl.

They didn't like roll out of red carpet for her and she tried to like condemn the business. Yeah. It's like you're actually not part of New York government. You can't like go in there and close it down. Why do you think that she does post so much in deletes? Because I have to say, I am like fascinated, you know, how. much she could get done in a day and how she never wants to put down her front. Like to me, it always does still feel like work.

And so when I do go on vacation or just go, let me put away for three hours. Or even lately, I've been kind of, I don't do the stories like I used to because I want to just, or I film it. And then maybe I put in stories later because I don't want people to know where I am and things like that. And I just want to like, I mean, I guess she just must love. of this level of fame and people watching her 24-7. Right. I think she wants a Kim Kardashian ring moment. Like, she wants someone to rob her for her headline.

No, but I agree with it. Like, that's why everyone else puts her location out there. It's like, well, she invites chaos into her life continually. And I think it says her primary relationship is her phone. Yeah. Like even above her daughter at some points. Yeah. Like, I mean, she now has a boyfriend who, like.

the Gary Busey look like? Literally. And he's acting like him, too, I'll tell you. He's running around town with, I hear with other girls. If you can even imagine. Well, yes, we can imagine. Yes. And so when did you get involved?

Was it when you still with the boyfriend Paul? Yeah, it's a good question. It's a good question. It was March 2025. And has, and then how soon did she block you? Oh, two weeks. Has she ever, have you ever been in the same? the same vicinity with her, and what would you do if you had?

It's a great question. We've been in New York at the same time, constantly. I'm always, like, trying to, like, stage a run in. I was in the Virgin Islands this year, and then she was like, last-minute trip to the Virgin Islands. I was like, no, by the way, no way, it's like a very late. There's all the many people over there. It's amazing for her to come on down.

I had someone on tell me, or someone tell me, that, they were dying because their friends were in St. Barts or something and they're like, oh my God, we were just like accosted by this older woman who was giving us life and business advice

and would not stop talking to us. And they sent this person the photo. And it was Bethany like, you know, at the end of the day from a beach day at one of those Nicki Beach type places and just being like, like telling it. I was like, oh my God, that's so funny.

Like, no, this is great advice. What do you want for me? You know, you meet the CEO of a company and you don't take advantage of it. That's what's wrong with this generation. It's just, you know, and how she's like, I'm the, what would she call herself? I'm the unexpected influencer or something. Yeah. I didn't mean to me, but I made it.

And then like. She calls herself a lot of things. And then when, when people started to discover that, like, the, these things were very deliberate because she was getting trademarks and stuff like that. And but it's like, who cares? Like that's what I'm saying. I know. Nobody cares.

That's fine. That's fine. It's so soft an old jag. Yeah. What do you think about how does she feel now about, you know, the reality reckoning that just really went nowhere? The reality reckoning did not. It's a good question. This is like she moves on.

She moves on. And she thinks she's, well, because of the Bethany Clause, which she did for reality TV, she thinks that, like, everyone now owes her that's ever been on reality TV since because she's, like, completely changed the landscape and no one acknowledges it. And, like, she did. She did do something significant with the Bethany Clause. But it's like, but also why of you, she also hates reality TV now. Right. Like often talks about how she would never do a show again, how she likes having all the control. full edit. And to me, it's interesting to watch a woman who's actually created something

even crazier than a reality show, like go after the media that made her famous to begin with. Right. I totally, I have a prediction. Oh, please. I think she will be back on reality TV. Because this will, she'll get bored of this, just like she got bored of reality TV. She'll get bored of this and decide, you know what, I would like to put the phone down and I'd like somebody else to do it. Well, her platform isn't performing as well as it once was. Like, even a year ago today. Like, I think it's like we're looking like half the number she was getting a year ago. Interesting. I think people are like fed up and it's in online to be so generative continuously. Yeah. We're able to. She is paris social with a lot of people, but there's is still like the numbers

aren't there as there once was. Reality TV, everything is like a pendulum. It will fling back to that. She'll like want the, she won't on like these like videos that are getting 1,000 likes that she posts 12 of a day. Like that will kill a woman at one point. Yeah. Why do you think she deletes so much? What's the philosophy behind posting something and deleting? Is it because right away they don't get the numbers and so she doesn't want that on her grid? Or what is it?

Yeah. I think the vanity metric. Like she feels well, and also when you're posting numbers that she's posting on, it's like, oh, you can delete some. Yeah. I had that boy, but she does post, like, the deleted videos are some of the funniest ones we have in the archive. It is hell. Start your Alienware journey with the streamlined Alienware 15. We designed this machine to refine the essentials, creating a more focused gaming laptop for players who demand quality without the clutter.

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Wayfair, every style, every home. Well, I, you know, I knew her many years ago. We've spent time together one-on-one, personally, many years ago. And I do think she's really talented and smart. and I do think she's fascinating and she's so fun to watch on TV and her body was banging at the Oh my God She looks fantastic She's a great body so But she did say she's like

I don't diet I've never died in a day of my life And it's like well you've actually written two books on this off so I love that about her Yeah that she never died in And I read her first book I naturally that And then but that's the other thing

She's like I'm the one who created food noise So now that people are in Ozempic and say they don't hear the food noise anymore And definitely she had eating disorders and stuff. Of course. It's in the book, you know? So, but whatever worked, it still is working. Yeah, it's true.

And so good for her. Good for her. I love that you, so you're from Rhode Island. I'm from New York. Okay. And that's kind of like also a reason I love Bethany. Or it's like even before, I'm, like I've always, I watched Roading, but like I really got into it more recently. but Bethany's always been like an omnipresent figure in the New York area.

Yeah. Everyone's always known as skinny girl. Like everyone's always been captivated by her. And I think specifically probably in New York because she like is like, she's kind of like the quintessential like hustler businesswoman. Right. Yeah. And I'm going to her dad's racetrack on Saturday. And that's the stepdad.

Oh no. Her father. Because growing up she would go to the racetrack with her father. Okay, so there's a dad that was in the racetrack, and then there's a stepdad that did race track stuff. Yeah, they actually all did racetracks. Okay. But one is past and one is alive. Yeah, the stepdad is still alive, but they barely, I mean, I think the last time they were probably on Roney, which is a while ago.

And then the father died, but she was like always, I've always heard stories where she was like being like pimped out at 12 years old at the racetrack. It's, I'm going there on Saturday because it's closing down forever. Oh, okay. I'll be doing some investigation while I'm there. Okay. Interesting. So let's talk about Real Housewives of Rhode Island, which the first episode of the reunion aired, I'm caught up. And it is very shocking because there is an active cheating relationship that is happening.

Oh, my God. That is happening. And you're like, how did these people. that are wealthy. The characters I'm talking about is this girl Ruella and she's a financial advisor so she has her own clients

and her own money and she's married to a podiatrist who has his business and practices and he was having an affair with this woman for a couple years in which the other cast member Joella, how do you say her name?

Joellen. Joellen. Okay, someone said I was saying it wrong. There's so many different. There are like interesting, unique names. They're meant to, like, trick you up, which is fun. Joellen reveals it to her and the group that she, there's videos out of this person. It's on Facebook.

The mistress is posting a photo on her own Facebook of her sitting on. She's posting to grid. Truly crazy. It's not even a story. It's a forever place. She's posting to grid riding someone's husband and it's like, yes. Sitting on his lap and then Ruella, then. which again, this is, you know, housewife 101, takes it to not be mad at her cheating husband,

but to then go, you are trying to upset my life and you're an awful person. And so then they, according to Joellen, set out to get her fired in the medical field because she, like, sells medical supplies. And eventually she did get laid off. And she's just like, you wanted to know the truth. Like, what am I not going to be a good friend? I told you. And of course it's going to be on the show. We're filming the show while your husband's having an active affair.

And so we watched the whole thing and they got in like, okay. And then they all go on this trip together. So you're with this guy who's actively cheating on this woman. And both of them tried to like ruin your life. But you're like, well, let's, you know, move on. And they go to the reunion. And Ruella, she got a new nose. Oh, my God.

And some people feel it's a little It's what? Not a new husband Not a new husband But you got a new nose And a new And some people feel it's a little Sharp

I feel like it looks better Who cares? Well also you can't touch a nose In the first 16 months Yeah the nose is gonna settle down I remember when in New Jersey What's her name? Jennifer Aiden

She got a new nose But she didn't go to her own husband Plastic Surgeon rumored to be cheating on her in the past. But anyway, she looks fine. I don't know. So then she says they do like a little, you know, get the cameras up because she felt that someone might have been tracking her car.

So she takes it to the dealership and she goes, can you just search my car and see if there's a tracker? And I guess in the state of Rhode Island, they're like, we can't. If you think that, go to the police. They go to it. That is considered a crime. and if the person is your husband, that's considered domestic violence.

So they immediately arrest him, whether she wanted him arrested or not. That's not how the law works. So he gets arrested. The mistress goes and picks him up out of the prison. And she's just like, well, I don't know what we're going to do about this.

Well, why was he tracking you? And she's like, first I thought he was tracking her because he thought she was cheating. But no, what makes more sense is he was tracking her so he would know, if she was on her way home, if the mistress was there, if she was going to stop by with bagels at the podiatist office

while he was banging her probably in one of the examining rooms, if she was doing drive-bys on the mistress's house. And all this on the show, now, many housewives go on the show as a precursor to get divorced. Right. So, but right now she's still in anger mode, blaming Joellen for all of her problems. The good cognitive dissonance.

We can evoke with that. It's so ridiculous. I mean, Joellen, I think it's interesting because she started a season being like, I'm an absolute bitch. Like, everyone hates me. I'm cruel. I mean, I'm crazy. And all she's done since season is like deliver not harsh truth,

realities to Rula, telling her the exact business she needs to know. And Rula keeps seeing photos of her husband being, being riding another woman. And then she goes, oh, that's AI. It's like, girl, it's not AI. There's a tag on it. And she's like, well, I have his schedule. So he was in surgery. It doesn't matter.

He even admitted to another guy. Yeah, I fucked up. I've cheated. Well, he keeps telling Rula I've cheated, but it's like, it's in the past. And it's like, well, we're in the past, I guess, because she's at our front door right now. I'm picking you up. Now, you told me you even had a little tell me about that. So I posted a theory where I did, um,

deductive reasoning to definitely point out that Rula's husband was one cheating on her because Beth, the legit mistress, one of the mistress, she posted a photo like being like me my doctor and I broke down the numbers from like there's 7,000 doctors in Rhode Island. There's 4,000 active practicing. And I went all the way down based off even the kind of iPhone he has because there's a specific medical system. Anyway, I broke it all the way down to one by like just like deductive reasoning and the powers of observation. And because of that video, people were like, oh, the mistress is out. The

messrs is out. And I go to Instagram and she's already following me. So we've been, we've been into DMs. And she, well, she does have an NDA so she can't say too much. But she is always like, they're trying to silence me over at Bravo. I want my voice out there. I want my story out there. My side is like, it's, you haven't heard my side yet. And like, she can't even say her side, but it's fun for her to be threatening her side. So when in the affair, did. Did he then present her with a non-disclosure, don't talk about our fucking NDA? When do you present that? Before the boning, during the boning, right before they decide to sign with Bravo?

Do you have any clue? I'm thinking right before Bravo. And how long in just your deductive reasoning? Right. Do you think he's been seeing this woman? It's upwards of two years. I believe. I'm sure it's been going on for a while. And Rula and he have kids together. Yeah, Rula and him have two children together. And that's like the reason she keeps arguing they stay together is to keep the family intact because he has an Italian background and she has a Persian background. And for both of them, it's important to have family like stuck together.

So because we've seen the photo, I think they put it the photo on the show. Yeah. She's a blonde woman. looks to be similar in age to them. Now, do you think she's dying to get on the show? Yes, absolutely. I think there's only so much you can do in the state of Rhode Island. And this is a larger... Like, can you think of a larger career opportunity that's hit the island's ends? For women that don't have careers or do have...

A lot of these women that go on Housewives, like Rula, the Financial Advisor, like Emily Simpson, who does have her law degree. People are like, why would they be doing this? And I'm like, because it's more fun and easier than being a lawyer, a doctor, a financial advisor. Like, those are hard, real jobs. Oh, absolutely. And drinking and yelling that someone's a slut or a slam pig or talking about pizza squares, all that is way easier.

Well, tension is like on the tension economy and even the, like having attention on you is like it can be more alluring the money even is as well. I mean, I've always said fame is one of the strongest addictions. Yeah. Like probably right after alcohol, like the main addiction in the world. Yeah. Especially because you see it and you're like, wow, you know, I remember what time I asked Dr. Drew Pinsky, I was like, I love backcracking, watching backcracking videos,

cracking my own backs. Like, I'm like, could that ever be addiction? And I was kind of joking, kind of not. And he goes, well, would you, you know, give up your family for it? Would you risk this, that, you know? And I'm like, no. But when I think about fame, I'm like, yes, these women will risk their relationship with their children, their mother, because that's their storyline, that their mother sucked.

So now they're going to reveal that their 65-year-old mother was like a horrible mother when they're a teenager. They'll risk that relationship. Obviously, their marriage, they'll risk that relationship. Like, so I, in many cases, it's just so rare that a housewife will go, I'm actually going to step back because I don't think this is good for my family. I don't think there's ever been one case. Has there ever been one case of a housewife that did a selfless act and left the show for the sake of her,

for the sake of the family? I was like, for a spinoff. No, but I think that's because they know how to pick really self-selfish narcissistic women. You know, they don't. And if you are like pleasant and then you're a one-hit wonder because you were too nice and normal. Yeah. Also, if you leave for your family, they would never acknowledge that. Like, they're going to give you a crazy reason on the show.

Yeah. Because they were threatened by some other. Yeah, exactly. Some other woman. Now, going through the cast, how do you think about Ashley I? She's our youngest girl from the back. and really didn't have much going on. I think she's the, well, Kelsey's 31, and I don't know how old Ashley.

I mean, it's a weird group because it is true that you would not be hanging out with this young couple on a trip. Like Rula and her cheating podiatrist's husband would not be hanging out with Ashley and her cute husband with the coffee shop. And they were both on The Bachelor and their two babies. Like, that's just, and of course, Liz, who's now a grandmother, would not be hanging out with these women. No, not at all. You know, like, it just especially not. So it's not that it really feels like a weird cast, but it's working. So who cares?

No, it's true. I think, like, since Mattel moved their headquarters out of Providence, they're like, they're doing whatever they can to stay afloat in that state. I had no idea that Rhode Island was so, like, super wealthy, generational wealthy. I mean, Liz's house on the water. My God. Oh, it's gorgeous. Yeah, yeah. There's some incredible properties in Rhode Island.

It's a weird state because it's not like a, it doesn't generate a ton of wealth currently. It's placed between some of the wealth these places in the whole country. And it has generational wealth. Like, if you look at the new ports of it all. Okay. But it's continually losing that. So it's very blue collar, but has been like, it's culturally been white collar. So it has that amazing contrast.

Dichotomy of people. Yeah. Death dichotomy. I think that's why this cast is so interesting because a lot of them even have like, they have like blue collar dog that it feels like in a way. Yeah. I'm like, some of them are like, they're plumbers. And so you had your barmitsfa there?

I had my barmitsva in Newport. Well, this photo is my parents went on, we went to Block Island, which is we did the last episode of, of, of Real House of Rhode Island were horny. and I like crashed their 25th anniversary and I was so I was like in a mood the whole time I was like but thank God that they can reclaim the space I have a brother but he was a broad A.K. Illinois Oh okay

I think they were thrilled to see you No they love me Of course how could you not Now this Liz who is the Dolores from Real House of New Jersey They look so much like it's like insane And so Dolores was seen on the show in the beginning.

And they're creating a menopausal gummy, which I think is one of the greatest. I love it. One of the greatest, I believe, smartest and going to be the most successful real housewife entrepreneurial things. What's the most creative one I've heard? I totally. As someone of that age, you're always looking for something. We have the money to buy it.

everyone's going to get there one day if you're not there yet and so it's just brilliant and I bet Bethany Frankl is fucking shooting herself because she could have jumped on that you know like

because everyone when when we became legal so many people jumped on that housewife did part of it but nobody thought of coming up with that little niche of being menopausal so props to them

because I heard I'll look over a out. It's not working out that well for her on New Jersey. Yeah. So, you know, no one cares. Frank is no longer on it. Her ex-husband, he's married to somebody else. She and the Irishmen who are delightful.

I don't know if they're getting married. Now, Melissa and Teresa are together and friendly, so she's no longer the peacemaker. So if she has to exit out, I hope she stays off to the menopausal gummy. Like, I think it is so smart. But then I loved that Rula was saying to Liz, I know, you know, she's just trying to make everybody else be a cheater. So she's like, I know that you said when the, you know, the cats away, the mouse plays, when your husband was on 10 months a year fishing, you had some fun. And she's like, why don't you just say it?

Why do you say it? You know what? I was in Black Island. I met somebody that I hadn't seen him in 30 years. We were singing and dancing. He was spinning me around. And you know what my husband and I and laugh about it now? And I'm like, okay.

Oh, my God. Again, who cares? Who cares? But I think she handled it right. She's just like, you know, fuck you. I like how they do drama on this show, because they always play these games where they're going like, how, no one brings up. They go, how dare you talk about me cheating on my husband? And no one should ever bring up me cheating on my husband or allegations of me cheating on my husband.

I was like, no one had said that yet. That's just in your head, Liz. Like you said to the quiet part aloud. I always thought when they have the dinner parties and they're like, let's play a game. We didn't buy this game at Target. Clearly the producer was writing the things like, let's see, let's open the card. Okay, who here would you like to plan their funeral for? Oh.

That's a creative way of saying, who do you want dead? I'm going to say you. Because, no offense, but you make my life hell and I want to see you live in hell. Okay. Next question. I'm like, my God. Like, do you imagine? Why does Heather Gay have her dirty hands and everything?

It's like, she started out. Everyone's like, oh, my God, I'm going to do that on every show. It's so funny. The game culture to, like, go to drama. Yes. It's like, why is it the only way to bring up the camera? It's pretty lazy by the producer that's, like, writing up the cards. I'm like, and even during the trivia match on this, it was like, one was he-de-rival battles of this whole season.

It's like, they love, they're always playing games with games, which I love. And I always, and I'm so sick of a female-driven, reality shows that always start with, have you done anal? Would you do anal? I'm like, what? The fourth episode of sex into city. They always go to anal because it's like, oh. And I'm like, again, who's writing that?

This is gay producer in the corner. Okay. We are not talking about that with a ton of people. Maybe you were like, talk to your girlfriend like, holy shit, whatever. It's not, but that's what you got to. to do to be edgy and how many time have they touched each other's new tits how many scenes has there been in a reality show where oh that's you know and they always put that in the trailer and then like someone falling over like it's always that same thing like these girls are wild

they wear their spades in the pool and grab each other's fake tits it's like i know something else Well, I'm like, the editing team seems so distant from actual girls themselves. So true. It's amazing to watch. So you're a fan of the show. I like it. I think it can have amazing. The first season's pretty good and it has some really incredible moments.

But overall, it can be lackluster. But season two, I think they can really, they can strike the day. This is what's going to happen in season two. Okay. Rula's going to file. She's going to file. And then that is going to make her more. human and vulnerable to the cast members and the audience.

And then there'll be a redemption of a moment where she goes to Joellen and really is like, I don't know who that was, you know, da-da-da-da. I, you know, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be here now. But then the divorce will get ugly. So we'll have like a Doree P-K kind of thing. It's not going to be peaceful. It's not going to be as friendly as Joey Rowland buddy. But that'll happen.

happen. And that's what's great about Bravo. It's like you could always make lemonade as long as you're selling your soul to Andy Cohen. Please. He will make the lemonade with you and make you sell it on the corner of the street for five cents. I don't know if you can do that in Rhode Island. Five cents while he makes a dollar. You know, it's that's what it'll work. So make that lemonade. Do you think? So you think she seemed like a Camille situation? Like she's up and because of her like her high-faluting doctor-husband and she'll be humbled by... Wait, which were you talking about? Which one?

Like from Beverly Hills. Oh, Doreet? Oh, season one. Like, when, um, with, um, what's his name? Uh, wait, Camille and Kelsey Grammar. Kelsey Grammar, yeah. But are you comparing it to what? What do you say?

Her season one to season two arc where she's completely humbled by a divorce. Oh, yeah. Totally. A hundred percent. Everything, it's like, you know, it's basically, yeah, the storylines all repeat the themselves now. Yeah. In different franchises.

Because a woman's story is not unique. So there is cheating, marriage, divorce, struggles with a child, you know, whatever your story is, you know, trying to be that business woman, having a second wedding. Well, now we have menopausal gummies. And now we have menopausal gummies. Thank God. Give me some of those. I love that's the first protective state in the whole country for menopausal women is Rhode Island.

They said, yeah. They are protected as a protected class. which is really great because it's just basically protecting ageism. It's huge. So it is really important. This girl, Alicia, is so funny. She's like, no, no, don't get up. She's got a Facebook.

She's such a great character. The voice is so funny. And she's very sweet generally. So like she's not mean. Kind of like a Sonia Morgan. Sonia Morgan has never been mean. And that, you know what I mean? She really hasn't.

You think about it. She doesn't know better. Yeah, she doesn't know better. She's a mess. She's funny. She's a drunk. She's slutty. But she doesn't do like manipulative, mean, cruel things behind the scenes to fuck you over.

Or she works on it all the four months in between shooting to then, you know, layer. Like, there's so many women that have done stuff like that. But like, I could never imagine this girl doing it. No. Or Sony. So I like it. Speaking of Rhode Island, what is going on?

Did they have their wedding or not? Okay, so there was fireworks there the other day. They're saying for a rumor bachelor party. Did Taylor Swift and Travis get married? Did they? I actually do believe in the MSG theory. I think they're saving out for that. So then what was these parties?

They were just pre-parties or engagement parties or something. They weren't rehearsal parties. They don't do anything to convince people that Taylor Swift's not gay. So they'll throw with you They're doing anything to like lead us off the track They're like What do you think? Do you think this is not a real relationship?

I hope not You hope it's not a real relationship No Why? Because Taylor's are like our best capitalists Like she's married to the money and a music So it's like Does she have room for a man?

I don't know And also I believe they're both gay That is so Well Taylor's had rumors for years, but now they're coming out there's like that Kelsey also has a boyfriend. And they're in a lavender marriage. This is, Denzi's obsessed with the fact that these two are gay. I love that.

And don't you see it? It's kind of. Totally. I, well, every, like, even the call, like, they call a rickification or it's like everyone has to see your girlfriend these days, but they won't stay it on camera. Yeah. It's so that. We're seeing it everywhere.

I, um, I don't know. I've gone down this road. of believing it and being like, you know, she wants to be the girl in the stands and he's the football player and enjoyed all of that. And I was like, they better get married quick because she's going to get the ick factor soon.

I think he likes to sing too much. I, you know, I'm like, she just needs to get pregnant. And I'm like, I feel like, oh my God, could they in five years have some dorky, like, you know, Kelly Rippa and her husband daytime talk

show like please i don't know and so your theory is so much better no they're gay well also but do you think what someone is do you think in their situation do you think they both are fighting inner demons or do you think they are in it together and keeping each other's secrets

they're keeping each other secrets for money they know that like imagine they came out as gay girl you can't get the same brand deals they're not going to send you to same Wow. Well. And he's built a nation on being straight. I mean, her might be a bit better, but I don't think so.

I think so many, so many people envisioned this as like, as, it was the classic like man breaking up with woman story. And they can really emulate with her music that way. But I, what I see is there's a lot of lesbians in our culture really, like they constantly are going through breakups. And there's so much conversation constantly where it's like every man, it's evil. So they're dating men and they go. Oh, I don't like this man, but we're not meant to like men because men are awful. And then they realize one day that they're actually lesbians. I've seen this.

I keep seeing this. It's surprising. And I do think that's what we're having here. So you think they're doing. Because when I first heard about the Madison Square Garden thing, I was like, are they that big of thirst buckets to do it there? Because you would think it would be the opposite. Oh, absolutely. It's like when Madonna got married to Sean Penn, they really wanted to have a wedding.

And that was like the first time that like paparazzi was so obsessed. And the helicopters and everything. And then Sean Penn was this angry guy. And he's like trying to shoot the helicopters with guns. And it's her wedding day. And she likes the fame, but she didn't want it there. And they ended up getting divorced, obviously. But like, I just kind of was like, well, by having it there, does it protect the helicopters?

and have their thing. But then so the whole place would be like parties or where they just really still only have like 500 people there. What is it? I don't understand how you have your wedding there. I guess any with all the money in the world, you can make any venue absolutely stunning. You bring in enough like, you know, trussles and furniture and, you know.

Well, the thought is they want a closed wedding. Like they want it indoors, but they want a big wedding. So it's like, MST is great. So you can bring all their friends and family. I'm like, have you been to MSD? It's like the lights on. It's not that pretty in there. Yeah.

You have to do a lot to convert a space like that. I mean, they do have a ton of money. Yeah, they could do it. They can dish it out. But I went to a girls' ballments from one time at Yankee Stadium. And it's like, which was amazing. How rich was that girl? I know, please.

She got a music video that year or two. Where it's like the Rebecca Blackification. Really? She was. Where is she now? She has a podcast. Does she have a podcast? She's still chasing the dream.

To be a singer. Yeah. Oh, and now she's just. country. She does country now. Jewish girl from New York. Doing country. And acting like she didn't live a privileged

Upper East Side or whatever the rich places to live. I love it where she's like doing songs where she's like I remember the whiskey on the back streets walking in Nashville I remember sparkling eyes in high school. High school you were at Yankee Stadium

for her mitzvah. So you're familiar with her music. I might know somebody who has done a similar path. I love watching that happen. But yeah, it's, well, Taylor's kind of like that too. Well, she acknowledges it a bit more because she was like a nerd in high school. She's a nerd in high school. I do love her story.

I do love her success and her writing and everything. And I also love the when people realize like how if there's like a rising star, their female star that's about to have a song come out. All of a sudden, she really says, five secret songs that week. So it's like one, two, three, four, five. And then that person's song is number six. I wish you could do that with podcasting.

Oh, what do you mean? Like six episodes of week. One crazy episode coming on who means six crazy episodes instead. Yes, yes. They're just tops up. There's too many of us. It's like, don't even try to bother. But I think that's really fascinating.

And music has done that for years. You know, they do these behind the scene things. you know, like I was talking about, like, jelly roll files. Now, if you look up jelly roll files, it'll just be about the divorce and nothing else. And there's other stuff about his files. So it's like prongenious, you know, for the, for the Googling and all of that kind of stuff for what they look for. Well, I have an SEO manager on your team. Do the what?

To have an SEO manager on your team. You can really do anything. I don't know. but he he bugs just i don't know if it's the podcasting or what or mostly it's the singing it's i'd be really nervous but um hopefully it's hopefully the love is real and also him having a brother even if it's a lavender love hopefully the love is real yes let's hope i do think i think and their best friends forever this comes from bravo snark side this person great uh instagram that i follow they they caught this okay boy boy

George posted, I'm kind of confused. I think she may have posted this on Father's Day that says a man who makes the mother of his child struggle, like she reposted this, then he reposted it and said more truthfully, Rome burnt while you bought handbags, because obviously he is now team and has been team P.K. Because P.K.'s been his manager for years. Of course. And I think that it has since been taken down, but they caught it before. Boy, George, getting in a mix.

Oh, that's awesome. I mean, he would know, you know. Is she living in a parking lot? I think this was somebody else's thing and then she posted it. You know, because it's like, who would ever make the mother of their child suffer, which could be, you know, the foreclosure keeps getting put off. So she's still in the Encino, $6 million house. we all know how much she spends on herself.

Jesus. And there's really no way to excuse that, you know, because you don't. How much money is Boy George bringing in? That's what I never understood. I never understood. Because I remember somebody told me they hired Boy George for something. And they did say P.K. was a professional delight to work for, to work with. Right.

He set it up, got in there, and everything was great. But as someone who does live shows and things like that, that. I mean, there's only so much money, there's only so much 10% or 15 that you can take from even, you know, a couple hundred grand private party. Like, okay, that's not enough. But he's like, oh, I'm a similar entrepreneur. And like he's got all these, but he's also that person that's obviously been very comfortable gambling and juggling and, you know, paying this person and living this life and you've got to fake it till you make it kind of thing, which is really something I cannot relate to at all

and I've never also been an overly labelling person like I'm like when do you suddenly like justify purchasing like Chanel underwear? Like I get it you want to have your one Chanel bag I know but like the clothing It seems very UK

Yeah like when you go into like a high end store like that and you see like the big heavy hangers and it's like this black you know simple black dress Prada, as a little product. And it's, you know, $4,800. And it's just a black, I'm just like, I just don't get the justification, but she

will buy all that. I, or the crash house. She had this season at Love Shack Fancy where she bought $5,000 worth of clothing. And Kyle goes, you can't afford $5,000 worth of clothing. I can buy whatever I want. It's my money. I don't know why you care. And it's like, well, I actually do agree with the Rit in a moment where it's like,

she also can't afford $5,000 worth of clothing. Or I guess maybe. But you agree with three. I agree with both of them. Yeah, I thought, I thought her point was like, listen, I'm not going to curtail my spending while we're in negotiations because I want the judge to say, P.K., you've been married to her for 10 years. And for 10 years, she has spent $100,000 on clothing alone. And you've allowed that to happen. So now you have to keep her accustomed to the lifestyle that you've put her in.

Right. So that's why I think she does. didn't want why and she was like why be nice to PK now i'm going to continue to spend but at the same time you're like well you are going to be contributing to your lifestyle as well why would you want to waste at all that and the thing is that you know it's a reality show you don't have to dress like that it's very juicy to see um erika move to the tiny rental only 4,000 square feet could kill a girl well I guess no no her hair house is in 4,000.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. Her little house that she rents, um, Erica, that's like probably like 1,800 square feet max. And then she's got the little cabana. And, you know, I mean, that was

real and we got to see it and it didn't waive our interest that she wasn't going down Rodeo and you know, having her shopping scenes. But that is kind of like Doreat's whole personality, but I mean, you know, Every room is probably filled with clothes with, you know, the tag still on it.

So moving from there will be difficult. But yeah, and now he's like, what am I going to do? You know he's going to start a podcast. You know P.K. It's going to start a podcast and it's going to be about entrepreneurial men and relationships and starting over. Oh, thing. Because neither do subjects have been talked yet. So I'm glad he's going to.

I said neither those subjects have been touched yet. So I'm glad he's getting in there. We've never had interviewing CEOs. We've never had interviewing guys that have lost it all, but then made the money again. And we've never had, you know, divorce and now what I'm going to do different to be a better man. Oh, he'll totally would love to do it with Maricio. That'd be awesome.

But the thing is when you do that, you got to realize no other men that, that, like, you got to realize if you're going to be two guys like that, that are going to do a stupid podcast. Stay in your lane. The audience that is going to listen to you is going to be the housewife audience. Exactly. Don't try to do a fucking sports show. Like, don't try to do, like, just know that we want to hear about all the times that Bravo made you do something you didn't want to do, who you were attracted to.

Oh, my God. We're going to make it about F1. I swear to God. It's going to break me. So, meanwhile, reality blurb reported that Lisa Vanderpump confirms that P.K. and Ken have now made up. But she reveals that Sheena Shea is banned from her hotel. Oh, wow. So, you know, she got her new hotel.

It looks gorge. It looks gorgeous. And I was invited and I missed the email. Did you get to Avon calendar? No, I miss. I got this email saying, please confirm your address. We have something very special to send you. And I thought I sent the address.

And then I like saw an influence where I follow opened the Advent calendar thing, the purple thing. And I thought, oh, I want that. That looks so cute. I would totally do a post on that. I do not realize that was an invite to also go spend three days on their dime in Vegas. I know. And how fun that would be. And then I was like, oh, well,

Whatever. Was it Trxy Mattel you saw? That's a video I saw. No, no, no, it was, I can't remember his name. But anyway, I was like, oh, that would be fun. But I had plans with my girlfriends for my birthday at my house and Lakeinda. So I was kind of like, oh, and then I saw all the stuff. And I was like, oh, that looks fun, but like I'm doing this instead.

So then I just wrote her and I was like, afterwards, I go, well, you're, everything looked beautiful. I just want to congratulate you because we're friendly. And she was like, yeah, where were you? And I'm like, what? Oh, no. Anyway. Then we looked it up and I like wrote back on like the wrong email. Sexy unique apology.

I did a sexy unique apology and you know, if I didn't have such a fabulous weekend with my friends, then I would have had massive phone. It's your birthday weekend. I would have had massive phone. You're allowed to do whatever you want your birthday weekend. You can miss anything. If it was a weekend where I was just like by myself doing nothing, then you would have been. then I would have like flung myself into my pool with clothes on. But it looked amazing.

It should be sent out like my carrier pigeon for something like that. Like you're going to miss, it's easy to miss something like that. I missed it. This girl's getting hundreds of thousands of emails a day. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry she missed it. But of course, like I don't,

I'm not mad about it. Like, of course they sent it out to so many people. And I'm sure there were people that didn't respond and they just thought, well, they're not interested or whatever. But I was interested, Lisa. And I do think it looks great.

It does look really nice. It does look really nice. It's also, it seems like right for the economy of Las Vegas today, which is like ever shrinking. It's like to have a nice boutique. Yeah. And it does seem that there were, it seemed like the only like OG banner pump person who went was DJ James Kennedy. No. I mean, you know, there was no like Lala or I didn't see any of those people in the photos.

It was all like food bloggers. I was like, okay, it's a sexy unique influencer day. Yeah. It's a lot of new people. But anyway, they're all friends again, which would make sense. But then I still want to know. I still want to know Lucy Goosey, Apple, Juicy. That whole thing was that they got the dog and the dog sniffed at P.K.'s nose.

And then she, according to Doreet, had a friend who said, oh, we'll take the dog. and then unbeknownst to Doreet, the dog ended up at a shelter, and then they saw that it had a chip, and then they called the Vanderpump dogs, and then she got the dog back, and then the story got leaked out, which would make Doreet look bad, and then all the girls thought that Lisa Vanderpump leaked it,

and Lisa Vanderpump will forever say, No, I did not say that. Why would I ever want that kind of story out there about something like this happening? She should have just told me. But they always said, oh, it was so that she could help her show Vannerpump dogs. I'm like, but Venerpump dogs was about like, you know, trying to make these kids interesting, like pumping each other while they clean the dog or whatever. And, you know, it wasn't about the rescue of dogs. I don't know.

Literally. But it's interesting that now they're all friends. It seems so simple for not to be brought to camera. Yeah. It's like the secrecy is what has made it so captivating. But in reality, it's like, well, P.Ks is an asshole. I always just think when they go on a reality show like, who leaked it? Who leaked it?

I don't know. There's four PAs. There's three guys with cameras sweating in a pair of cargo shorts. There's nannies. There's housekeepers. There's personal assistance. There's personal friends. There's friends of friends.

There's spouses. There's someone at a restaurant. who heard the conversation. Like, who's to say who did it? Well, they're saying that West is when it leaked the audio from the summer house reunion. That's what we originally thought. You thought that over here? Right away, my friend Kate Casey and I thought, or she did, and I was like, that sounds good, thought that he may have leaked it because he wanted off of the show.

Because just like a Morgan, Kyle's alleged girlfriend, was like, don't mention my name anymore. I'm sick of these old housewives thinking they were my only fans. I want some real country folk lacking my music. Don't you talk about me anymore. I think West was like, get me out of this Bravo nightmare. I want to be like, I want to be like, I want to be like podcast like Travis and his brother. I want to just be like in this sports world shit. And again, too bad.

Like too bad you're already known for this. But who knows? Why are you trying to turn ESPN into like a. franchise network like a drama channel it's i don't know but that's why so now he's off the show and i think but they said no that it was jennifer lawrence's assistant like what a weird for denver lawrence to bring it the camera is that is amazing not about someone's career that's like went away once harry weinstein was put to prison but whatever not that that makes a difference connect the dots oh my god um anyway

One last thing I'm going to say, you being a New Yorker. I'm sure you're excited that your team won Nix. They're basketball teams. As excited as I can't be about. So they're basketball team. And. Of course, they're basketball team.

Like, oh, they are. Okay. I was confused. I'm sure it was a big team. But this J-Lo moment, now she is a New York girl.

And I get the excitement. But she posts this video of where she's like, oh my God. And someone's filming it. You know, the winning moment. and her excited. Oh, my God, oh, my God.

We've got to call everybody as if, like, people didn't know that they won, okay? And then that was posted on her social of how excited she was about the Knicks winning. And it was so similar to when the Dodgers won and local L.A. girl, Princess Megan Markle, had the camera propped up of her being excited that they won. And she was, like, in some theater room

with her friend and she had to dance around and Harry's like this and she's just like oh my God! Oh my God! We want! And then post that. Like it was just so... It's performative. So she said, so

she set up the phone to film this with only a watch party of three people I wrote this and then posted it. Way to live in the moment. You knew you shared it on threads. I know. That would kill. But I did that only once. Oh.

Post on threads. No, I only posted once, like, moments of, like, a sports game winning. But it was my cousin. You're allowed to. It was my cousin. So that's okay. You can do whatever you want. He's on the Bruins and he won the gold medal. So of hockey. So that I did. That I did. I make my cover photo of that happened. Yeah, that I would do. But I do think this is kind of funny that it was such a similar vibe going. I like the husband in the back, like absolutely not caring at all. Last thing is. Oh my. Teresa has a new book coming out. Her third memoir.

It is an AI cover. That to me is so crazy. Oh my God. You're totally right. It's not like she did a photo shoot for that. At least to read had a photo shoot and a photo shoot party about the cover. She actually got in the outfit. I mean, she had AI write it, but at least this is the cover, which it might be worse.

Love, love, love. And then Louis, this is going to be the audio like. And then Louis said, so do you want to go to dinner? And I was like, who, you asking me? Yeah. And we went to dinner. I was such a gentleman. And yeah, that's what it's going to be.

I'm sure it will sell because a lot of people are very interested in her. Once she tried to write a blog and she gave up after a week? Well, I mean, listen, of course you're going to, why wouldn't you have a writer help you? Let them just ask you questions and put it together. I mean, a ghostwriter is not a crime. But she, Melania, in fact, we found out this past week, Melania was arrested for domestic violence. There was a call to the home.

She was arrested. It came right around like early May. And so people did the math and realized that she had already finished her finals at Tampa, so she would have been home. She hired a defense attorney. Nobody knows what the fight. who the fight was with in the home and if it will be, you know, dismissed or whatever or there is a photo that's going around allegedly where Teresa has a mark on her eye and people believe that that is

like they got an altercation and then a Louis or the other little daughter called the police. And, you know, so it's like, what is this about? is as, you know, is Louis causing this problems? I'm like, listen, if the police evaluated it and she was arrested, yes, her defense attorney could make this go away. Right. But, you know, but I'm like, this might get them their spinoff Kardashians. Because remember early days of Kardashians, those girls beat the shit out of each other.

They fucking smacked each other. They were like pulling off jeans that were there. So they're my fucking jeans. And like, so I don't know. Like, it's, I don't think it's insane that like a 20 year old, you know, right get in a physical, I don't know. I don't think it's good. But, but it's interesting, you know, they're just like not talking about it. And hopefully everything's okay.

And then go get her book for your order is available. I, yeah, it's a. I'm going to go to your way you say. What? No, I mean, it's a unique. It's a sexy unique situation. I know I It's like

And also she posted a photo of Louie yesterday For father say If you caught that Well why wouldn't she he's a dad Yeah no and of course But it's also like What it's happening behind the scenes that also Like especially when it's such an inflamed situation

So much attention on her like Posting that might be It might be emblematic or something I think the whole thing is Let's forget Let's not talk about this Melania thing and but I mean, I'm going to talk about it. It's out there.

I don't, and I'm not saying she's a horrible person. I don't say any of them are horrible people. I mean, sometimes stuff like this happens and cops are called and sometimes things go away. But then when you're famous, it gets out there and everyone like speculates and whatever. But, um,

I don't know what's happening in Tampa, but it's like, well, is that so far off? Well, was she, no, it didn't happen in Tampa.

It happened at the house of New Jersey. She's learning something at school. I think it's a right hook. Mother Italian temper, remember when she was little where she'd be like to her dad? Give me my, she was like four. And she was like, give me my pizza, you old troll. Like, she was like so, you know, like funny like that.

And I was just in the Bahamas and I realized that, you know, Joe Judice, that's where he lives now. And he does like little tour guides. I should have got a tour guy from Joe Judi. Tell me, Evan, like tell everybody where they can follow you and your podcast, which I'm about to go pop over and do yours, right? now. So tell everybody. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. I had such a wonderful time. You can follow me over on TikTok and Instagram at E-Lazzy. It's another E on TikTok. So it's E-L-A-Z-I-E and another E for TikTok.

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