Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - JLo, Julia Roberts, Real Housewives Black Balled with Author Thea de Sousa

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

Who sent the rat to my live San Francisco Juicy Scoop show this weekend? Britney is annoyed that the cops were called to check on her. Are Bethenny and Nene being blackballed from Television, or was their show idea called “Ebony and Ivory?” Why does Kim have a “Not Kourtney” text thread? RHONY suspects that one husband is going to Vietnam for more than just miles. Then, Author Thea de Sousa shares Juicy Scoop history stories from working with Julia Roberts and Jennifer Lopez in the early 2000s. Keanu Reeves is everything and more.  We learn of one real housewife who will never return to the franchise. Get Thea’s book “The Unofficial Real Housewives Ultimate Trivia Book” on Amazon now! It is so much fun! Enjoy!  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: juicyscoopshop.com  Get extra juice on Patreon: patreon.com/juicyscoop  Subscribe on Youtube: youtube.com/@JuicyScoop  Follow me on Instagram: instagram.com/heathermcdonald  Follow me on TikTok: tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, we had a wonderful weekend, Chris, friend, Jola, and I doing shows for my Juicy Scoopers in Sacramento in San Francisco. And it was a really fun show. It combined stand-up with the hot topics. And at the end really fun show. It combined stand up with the hot topics. And at the end of the show in Sacramento and San Francisco, I ended with talking about Britney Spears,

which I'll get to in a minute. But I just have to tell you the juiciest scoop that happened in San Francisco. So just as we're at the last topic, I hear these people screaming in the first couple rows and moving up and jumping around and I mean I'm like, oh my God, what's wrong? You know, I don't know if there is somebody that's coming to attack them. If someone's getting in a physical fight, it was very scary.

And they said there's a rat. There's a rat running around. And I was like, oh, okay, well, do we know where it is? And I'm asking the security of the people that work there. And I guess I've never really dealt with a rat. And so it's not like a bug that you could just squash or whatever and then be done with it. And so they kind of settle down.

But then it moved to another row. So then I continued to try to talk about Britney Spears. And it moved to another row. And on this point, we've already done a show for an hour and a half, so I'm like, well, thank God, at least this rat, who was not on my Patreon VIP list. He didn't, he or she did not have a lanyard. So I just was like, I think we just need to end the show. I don't know who sent the rat. I don't know what the what was going on with the rat. So we ended the show

early, a doubt a little early, but anyway, we got to it. But it was so funny because it was really interesting hearing all the different accounts because then when I did my meet and greet, I saw the one girl that originally was scared about the rat, and she's like, it was huge, it was disgusting. When I talked to the first girl who coincidentally Chris made a joke about, because she had her hair a very pretty brown hair with like a low bun, and she had like a body suit on and a tan sweater.

And when she got up, because she was the most freaked out by the rat, Chris was like, wait, weren't you the girl on the plane that saw the person who was a shapeshifter alien? And it really did look like her. So that was kind of funny. But anyway, she said that the rat was a big black rat. These other three girls said, no, it was actually really cute it was gray and

little and it seemed scared okay. Anyway I have heard from some GC skippers that they were aware that the theater handled it very humanely. They did capture the mouse they're gonna call it a mouse because we don't know about how it identifies. We took the mouse and then put it outside, which this theater was beautiful and there was wildlife and like a little pond and released it into the wild. So just so you know. But that was the first time that's ever happened to me

and the people that worked at the Palace of Fine Arts theaters that they've been there for 12 years, that's never happened. So leave it to me to have them break history. But Chris and I had a great time. I loved my outfit and that's all that matters. Okay, so getting back to Britney Spears. So Britney Spears, you know, danced with the knives, okay? Which I also did, that was the finale.

I had Brandon go out and buy some fake knives before I left on the plane to go to Sacramento and I would dance as Brittany with the knives. So I still got to do that even though the rat and the rat got to see that for free. Anyway, or the mouse. So Brittany Spurs post this photo of a bellarina on knives like her toes on knives and she writes this. Is it a joke in the news again with a welfare check? So I guess they sent over the Sheriff's Department for welfare check. They did not see her but they talked to people that were there and they were assured that she is fine. Come on America, we're cooler than that, right? The officers came to my home and said they would not

leave until they spoke to me as people do, four minute performances with them. Don't understand that. I'm getting an apology. I've been bullied in my house for so long now. It's enough. Don't talk about it. Come on, let's do as my mom does the silent treatment when Paps ask her questions about her own daughter. As if I'm in the wrong nope,'s an old game people need to be responsible for their actions it's about power for cops. I don't this was a very hard message to understand. Couple questions so does she want her mom to talk to the paparazzi or it sounds like she's mad that she doesn't talk to the paparazzi when it's about her own daughter. You know you could stop the welfare checks

by not doing weird shit for your 42 million followers, like it was scary after you had these knives that sounded like real knives. You did have cuts on your body afterwards. You did have something on a bandage on your arm and a cut on her leg. And, but I guess they were fake. They were bought at some prop house, like a prop house,

and that they've sold out. The knives I bought from the Spirit stores that Brandon got me were plastic. So there you go. So I don't know who these four people are because I heard that the gardener that she was living with who moved in his ex-wife and children at her house for a few weeks.

He is out of the picture. So I don't know the four other people are. And she did have a ghost rider apparently help her with the book. So that is coming out in October. I loved Taylor Swift's outfit. She wore these really cute jeans that have already sold out their jean shorts with similar boots to what I had on. So got you, girl.

And she went with Blake Lively and her husband, I can't think of her husband's name anyway. They're good friends. I think that at least I don't know if they went to the game, but Sophie Turner, who is the ex-wife to be of the Jonas brother, that whole divorce has been going on. She has now proven to the judge that as a couple, they had agreed that their main home would be in England.

And she proved that because he wrote a letter to an owner of a house that he wanted to buy saying, we love your home, we want to buy it. This is where we plan to have our children be raised and where they go to school. So right now they're fighting over where the main home would be like New York or the States or England. She wants England.

And she said that was always the plan. So she presented that with the court. So that was kind of interesting. Anyway, I don't know. I think they won. I don't know if they won the game or not. But anyway, she was there looking cute, hugging them on again in the box. Oh, and Hugh Jackman went. New single Hugh Jackman. You know, he's getting four stuff for 27 years. And so it looked like a fun group of people. They had the good seats. Also, the U2 concert went on in Las Vegas. At the incredible sphere, look it up. It looks incredible. The concert and Oprah was there and Jeff Bezos and his girlfriend

fiance Lauren Sanchez. All the stars were there and it looked really cool. So that all these things were happening this weekend. Also happening this weekend. Bethany interviewed Neenie. It was a two-parter honor podcast. It didn't really get the kind of buzz that I kind of thought it would be. And I think it's because Nini has revealed a lot of that already on Carlos King's podcast. And it was kind of interesting because they're both talking and you know how Bethany always likes to do like all the analogies where she's like,

I didn't burn down the house. I lit a fire in the fireplace. I plan on coming back for a hot chocolate. I don't know when that would be, but I was willing to throw the ball and have somebody else catch it outside in the backyard near a pool. That's how we play the game.

Like her analogies are just insane. But anyway, so they're talking about housewives and they get in this one moment where they're really kind of bragging about who was the more popular podcast. I mean, who is the more popular housewife and who made more. And Bethany's like, well, we is a more popular housewife and who made more? And Bethany's like, well, we're a little bit different

because I left, they begged for me to come back. I left, they begged for me to come back. And that's why they offered me so much money. And I made several a thousand several millions of dollars. That's what I made. I made several millions of dollars. And then, me and he's like, you made several millions. And she's like, yeah, didn't you make the same as me? And she's like, uh, not millions. I mean, I made

a million. But you made more than one million, right? I mean, I, yeah, but did you make several? Well, no, I didn't make several. I made like more than one, though, when she agreed that you did that to, I mean, it was mean, it was really not being that well received, because a lot of people just heard two of the most successful, you know, wealthiest housewives kind of boo-hooing about where their careers are now and how Bravo has screwed them over. Some of the things I thought were interesting

is things nobody thought of when the show started, when their show started 15 years ago is, of course, that there'd be all these streaming services, peacock, hay, you, and other countries where their shows would be played and they would not get it done, but also the merchandise and the memes, and their image, like, you know, on stickers

and things like that, that they don't get any money for. And Neenie really does have the most iconic memes and lines and her voice is used on TikToks and stuff, but a lot of people's songs and voices are used on TikToks and nobody gets money for that. So it is kind of a hard thing to figure out today. But that was interesting. And then she said, she and Annie, she realized now we're not very good friends that looking back, the only time they ever talked was about housewives and whether she was coming back or not. She only went to one party at his house 10 years ago, like a holiday party. And she was invited to his

baby shower through Kyle Richards, but she thought it would be, you know, every, every housewife trying to show up each other and who is a more popular person and she didn't even want, she just passed on it. Even though she was in LA at the time and was free that afternoon, she said, no, I don't want to be around this housewife circus. And I'm like, well, if you were a real friend, wouldn't she have just gone to the baby shower to support your friend who's becoming a parent. But then Neenie keeps saying, I've been black bald. I used to have all these opportunities, to host shows, to have TV shows, to have radio shows and podcasts and they've all dried up.

And I think it's basically, I've been black bald because because Bravo's mad at me because I have complained saying, I haven't gotten fair treatment, but mostly the women of color on our cast didn't get the same treatment as the white woman on the cast and all of that. And so I was like, well, she never really says what specifically did she think she was getting blackballed on? Because she had a pilot to do a talk show with Wendy Williams production company. It wasn't her production company, but the same company that did her show was going to do a talk show pilot with Chi and Tom Arnold, which I think is a really strange combination. And it didn't go.

The pilot didn't go and it didn't get picked up. Well, if that happens all the time, maybe it wasn't a great idea, whatever. You know, you pick up a bunch of ideas, then they only issue money to do a handful of pilots and then from there only a few go. So I was like, listen, girl, all these opportunities came, maybe 2014, 2015.

Those years that you are really, really popular. And there were times when I came off of my TV show, I had more opportunities, and they dried up. And so I built Juicy Scoop. Like, that happens. Even Reese Witherspoon said, I stopped getting the movie roles. That's why I now have this huge production company

and give other women opportunities to direct and act in things. It doesn't it doesn't always continue And it doesn't necessarily mean that a group of 10 people got together in Hollywood and was like let's never hire Neenie I just think that's stupid But one thing I do think is interesting that I heard from a very good source is Apparently one thing she hasn't said this is legend, is that she did have a deal in which she was talking and was very close to closing a deal with doing a show on Sirius. And what this person told me allegedly

is that she had a conversation with Andy about how she was gonna get a show on Sirius too. And he was a little bit like really wow oh okay they're they're giving you a radio show all right kind of surprised by it and then within a week the deal dried up and they were no longer interested so I think that is suspect that people talk it only takes one person I don't know and And now big deals aren't being done like that anyway. So even if she was to start a show, it wouldn't be what she could have gotten three or four years ago, or even two years ago,

in the field of podcasting and radio. So I don't know what she's going to do. But one thing that Bethany said is she's like, I had a great idea for a TV show for you and I to do together. It was going to be called Ebony and Ivory, and you and I were going to go to an R.B. and I was going to take you to places that, you know, people of color aren't used to going to, like, Nantucket. And you were going to take me to, like, places in the South. I mean, that moment was pretty cringe.

A, that was the title. B, like, it just was pretty cringe, A, that that was the title. B, like, it just doesn't even make sense because I'm like, you're two women and you have a lot in common. You should have focused on, okay, well, let's do something because we're two women who have a lot in common, we're wealthy, we're run on housewives, we're witty, we say funny lines.

I think the least interesting thing about the two of you is the fact that you are different ethnicities. Why would you want to highlight on that? No wonder they didn't pick up that show. That is not because the industry hates you. That is just an awful idea. So those are my two cents. Meanwhile Kyle, so Mauricio was approached coming out of dancing with the stars.

He is still on the show. They got rid of this actor from the piece, the first speed cut. He didn't do great on his score, but he's around. And he said, look, I want to know who leaked the story that Kyle and I were separated. Because we had not announced that. Nobody knew that, but very few people in our inner circle that we were separated and working on our marriage,

no one has followed for divorce, but we are in fact separated. But I want to know who gave that story to People magazine because if that is somebody in our inner circle or our employee, I want to know who it is because I want to fire them. That was very interesting. And then they stopped Kyle at an airport and asked her about it

and she's like, please, it's not interesting. Yes, we are separated. We are separated. We have been separated. Very upset. But one thing Marie Sue did say is there is no doubt in my mind that Kyle has not slept with or cheated with Morgan Wade. They are just really great friends. They are

filming stuff together. They are doing things together. They are not in a relationship. Well, we saw the music video. I'm gonna make you love my. And they said, oh, we just played, we did this video. And Kyle was in it. And it was about a lesbian moves into the neighborhood. And it's flirting with a housewife. And they get real close and they feed each other food and it's very, you know, and they're bathtub together and all this stuff. And so I'm like, so is it at what or was this, like I said, she dropped the crumbs, she got us talking that she and Morgan had something going on and that her marriage wasn't going that great to get us interested in Morgan's music in which now she is doing a documentary about Morgan and her life and her music and everything.

Nobody I know had heard of Morgan Wade before she was seen with Kyle working out and sitting on her lap on a private jet. So, but here she is in page six saying that they found her. She was comforted by some friends while they were on a hike or something. So that seems a little suspicious to that they found her there. But maybe they followed her after the airport. This is sad, you guys.

Everyone loved this couple. Jody Turner Smith has filed for divorce from Joshua Jackson on Monday, after nearly four years of marriage. And I believe they have a child. We don't know why all the reports are just, you know, pulling up interviews in which they declared their love for each other. Everyone loved them. They were gorgeous couple. love for each other. Everyone loved them. They were gorgeous couple to sad. Meanwhile, Kim and Korya, Kim tried to get the divorce thrown out. She's like, he filed for divorce. The judge had thrown it out. Why? Because we're still living under the same roof and we're boning.

We're boning all the time. The judge said, no, I'm allowing the divorce to go forward because of hardship you guys can live in the same house. However, he gets the master bed with the with a good mattress because he has I assume because he has like some NFL injury. She has to go down to the basement in the maids quarters and live. They'll share the kitchen. She and Briel have to share a Range Rover. I don't know what their other cars are. He only gets 4,500 a month from his pension. She only declared 5,000 a month

from some like Instagram clickbait type of a thing. And she did do surreal life. I don't know what they get from that show. I'm guessing not more than 100,000 if that. So I don't know if she gets to keep that for herself. The house is upside down and in foreclosure. And she's also, it's also revealed in the court that she has borrowed even more money from her personal friend.

She's gambled hundreds of thousands dollars away which she can prove over the last couple of years, which he claims is why they're in this financial state, but they were getting it on. And I just think that's amazing when a couple breaks up, and they're getting a divorce, but they're still sleeping together. To me, I'm like, you should try to make this work. Anyway, people were shocked.

This is from the good, the bad, and the fake, because he has a beard, Kroy, and his hair is dark now. Like it definitely looks like he died it, and he looks good, but he just looks unrecognizable, so that was kind of interesting. This message is brought to you by Cologuard. Cologuard is a one-of-a-kind way to screen for colon cancer if you are 45 or older and at average risk for colon cancer. It's uniquely effective because it is the only FDA

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savings right now. Subscribe today at publicmobile.ca. Different is calling. Also on the real house was a Potomac Mia and Gordon, she filed for divorce. She's only 37, he's 71, they have two kids together, and you know, in the upcoming season, she's like, yeah, maybe I did marry him for his money. I can't remember what their story was, but I mean, it's not a shock. I, they are such a huge age difference, and they were having money trouble.

They had all these, the joint chiropractic places, and something happened with one of their relatives getting involved, or she not being able to run it. So that doesn't happen. Then she's on the show and feeling her oats. And so, hey, I can't even, I would need someone to count up how many divorces have happened in the real house by franchise.

Last, I checked, it was, it was almost at 30, so I'm not sure. Meanwhile, Courtney, the show is on, the Hulu show of Keeping Up With The Kardashians. And there is this fight that is so awful and they're on the phone and they fought about Courtney feeling that Kim stole her wedding look with her Dolce and Gabana, lingerie look of her wedding. And Kim was like, I'm not.

They asked me to do it. And that was the look I wanted. And so they are back and they're on the phone. And Courtney's like, you weren't happy for me at my wedding. You could play in the whole time in Italy. You just are not happy for you. And she's like, why would you think so little of me, Courtney, that I'm not happy for me at my wedding. You could play in the whole time in Italy. You just are not happy for you. And she's like, why would you think so little of me, Courtney, that I'm not happy for you?

She goes, you're the one who's not happy. And all your friends think it. We have a side group chat called Not Courtney, where we all talk about you, and how unhappy you see, and how much you have changed. Well, that was a real trigger for me to think that people that you think are your close friends are talking behind your back.

So once this episode aired, some of Courtney's close friends, Simon Huck being one of them started getting DMs from people like, are you part of this text group going and talking shit about Courtney. So she has now confirmed Courtney. No, I don't believe any of my friends are part of it. Who's part of it are my sisters.

The only people that are part of it are Kendall Kylie, Chloe, and Kim. So she has kind of protected her friends, but I thought that was awful. And even if it was true, I'm like, what she's supposed to do with that now. Now realize she has no friends either. She already has to deal with you. Anyway, she had her her old-fashioned Disneyland baby shower and Kim posted a bunch of photos and she wrote like, oh thank you. It was such a beautiful shower. Thank you. So of course they're back together, but this gets people watching. And it was honestly kind of a really interesting thing to talk about, because to remind you, her now husband Travis Barker did date Kim Kardashian and wrote about it in his book.

And it didn't totally say that they boned in the book, but Adry O'Day had said it, other people have said it, his wife thought there was more going on, Shana Mokler, when he was hanging out with Kim, but they were dating supposedly on a time that they had a break. So some people feel like is the real resentment between the two girls because they both have dated the same guy and won and up marrying him? Does Cornie have a chip on her shoulder

about the fact that he was infatuated with Kim years ago and wrote about her? Or does Kim is Kim a little jealous of the mad devotion that Travis has for his sister when she is single and not currently in love. So, but they do say that she's hanging out with Tom Brady, so that's pretty good. Real Housewives of New York City, this is what they wore for the reunion. Some people think it's great that Jenna Lyons, who is by far the favorite of this new cast, War Jeans. War Jeans and you know, just a blazer with just like a tie and some tits hanging out. But this show was the

only thing interesting about this show last night was this girl, Jessel, who hasn't had sex with her husband in a year and a half. Was talking about like, let's have sex. And he still was not really interested. And she wore this lingerie and he was like, um, okay, we have to do this now. And then she said, oh, yeah, he's going away. She tells Si, he's going away. He's going to Vietnam. He always goes to Vietnam a couple times a year.

And she goes, oh, what kind of business is he has in Vietnam? That's kind of weird. She goes, oh, what kind of business does he has in Vietnam? That's kind of weird. She goes, oh no, he just goes for miles. He just gets on a plane from New York and goes to Vietnam to collect miles so that we can go on other trips. So the guy that you're never having sex with, who's your husband,

happens to go to Vietnam a couple times a year to up his status ununited. So Si thought that was weird. And also Si and she are still competing with who had the status childhood. All these people, this whole season, is about who had a sadder, more depressing childhood and they're going toe for toe about it. Real house of Salt Lake City was fantastic, it was great, sorry, thing I wanted. And I don't know if you guys know,

but Meredith has a caviar line. That's right, I have a caviar line, Seth and I love caviar, and I have a pearl spoon that you could buy with it. She really hasn't pushed it yet. So I predict there'll be a party celebrating this caviar. And I don't know. When I think of caviar and the people that really know caviar, I wouldn't think that it would be someone in Utah

wearing a Brooks Merck sweatsuit. Well, she separates the eggs from the fish. I, I don't know, but I did see her eating it at the Trixie Motel. And I do feel like caviar is the new thing that housewives are pushing. It used to be Pinot Grigio and wines and alcoholic drinks. Now it's all about caviar and you really can't make it at a cheap level though. Like even this is a small thing. It's like about caviar and you really can't make it

at a cheap level though. Like even this is a small thing, it's like $400. So who knows that they did not want to get ready in the Trixie Mattel makeup and hair, only a few of them did. And Meredith is like, I have a splitting headache. How dare you Whitney, weaponize a small child's illness because I didn't wanna wear drag makeup.

And then, and then Lisa Barlow was like, I don't wanna, I don't like that for me. I don't wanna wear the makeup. I brought my own makeup artist and she could do like a bright lip, but I don't, I don't. And then they show Meredith getting her makeup done from the girl that she brought. And the editors did a photo, like the light coming in,

and it was so not flattering to beautiful Lisa. And I definitely think they were doing her dirty. They think that they're not happy with her this season. Maybe they felt they really want to her to wear the tricks you Mattel makeup and they're like, oh, we got you girl. Oh, no, it's fine. It's fine.

Have your makeup girl. Do your own pretty makeup and you don't participate. Can we just fill me? Why you do it? Not nice. And then Mary, of course, didn't participate in anything.

And she was like, well, I'll tell you something little girl. I don't want to do the makeup either. She didn't do the makeup either. So there you go. Now you guys, I'll tell you something little girl. I don't want to do the makeup either. She didn't do the makeup either. So, there you go. Now you guys, I'm excited. I'm gonna get right to it. Let's enjoy our guest.

This is such a fun book that I'm gonna tell you all about. It's the Real Housewives Ultimate Trivia book, but so much juice I'm gonna get for my next guest, about Hollywood and back in the day when she were for J-Lo and Julie Roberts. So here is a real fun interview with my friend, Thea. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.

I have a fun one for you. I have the book that you're going to want to buy for yourself, for your friends, for everybody. I have Thea, De, say your last name, Suza. Thia, Dessousa. She runs a really great Instagram account that I've talked about called Your Mom's or Watching. But she came up with this book, The Real Housewives, the Ultimate Trivia Book. I already started to do it. The first chapter's orange counting. I've gotten 100%. This is so fun. How are you? Welcome to Juicy Scope. Great. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. So give me a little bit of a background of your Hollywood background, how you got into the

housewives and the thought about this book, which is a hit, which is a gotta be a huge hit. So I was a development girl in Hollywood. So that means you find projects for producers to act and direct, whatever I mean actors to produce, whatever. So I worked for Julie Roberts and Jennifer Lopez. Now what year was for this? This is all leading up to 2001. So I started in Hollywood in 1998 as Mike Myers and Keanu Reeves assistant.

And then I went to, I was, did talent for a year. So I worked at the three arts. They represent like, where's such a hot spot? So I was Irwin's staff's assistant. So he's a president of the company. And so I worked very hard for those actors. And I was like, basically, their assistant,

you know, going to get Keanu, a Keanu opener, you know, all that stuff. Is Keanu still, in your opinion, the nicest guy in Hollywood? Yes, my friend, and it has worked for him for 25 years, so I know all about him, and he couldn't be nicer. He could not. So I just sent a TikTok to my husband,

because I just thought it was so funny. And someone did a TikTok on all the photos that he's taken throughout the years, where he won't touch the women's back. Oh, I've seen that. So it's like a little bit... He's too respectful to even put his hand. I mean, he's too smart. Yep. He's too smart because even just doing that someone could then do a tick talk about.

So here's my picture with Keanu and like look at his hand and and they're taking pictures so fast and oftentimes these guys don't mean to grab a side-tit, but it happens. When I worked for him, he had just done the devil's advocate, and he was about to do the matrix. And I literally, Heather, he called me up one day. This is Kiano, to a tee. I don't do impressions like you do. But he's like, yeah, it's me, Kiano. I was walking down the street and this guy comes up to me

and he's like, Kiano, that acting in the devil's advocate was amazing. I mean, I never really thought of you as an actor. And then he's like crying to me. He goes, what does that mean? He didn't think of me as an actor. And I was like, well, Keanu is complimenting you. He was, yeah, but he said, this was the first time I've ever seen you act.

And I was trying to explain to him how that's a compliment because you're just yourself and your movies. And he was like practically crying. He was, it's an amazing an amazing the backhand and compliments that come in this business right from honestly real fans. They just don't realize it. I just had someone tell me who is definitely well known that he he said, you know, this guy thinks he's being a friend, but he I heard him on his podcast and he's like,

this person his name is the funniest person that is not known. And he's like, I think I am a little bit known. Like, I, yeah, it's always that kind of thing. I'm not a nobody. Right. Yeah. That is really funny. Yeah, he's very sweet.

So he's very sweet. And he was at the time. His girlfriend had just died. His sister had leukemia and he was taking care of her. He was living in the Meshattomar Mont, but we moved him into a house so he could take care of his sister. I'm just like, who are you? He was just the sweetest, for sure.

So everyone always asks me, who's the nicest person you have our work for? And he's like, beyond. I think I also saw like a funny like fake news report, like funny meme. That was like, and in shocking news or something, Keanu Reeves still continues to be the nicest person

in Hollywood. I don't even, he's just not. He's not a shocking news or something. He's not a select, like the way that he acts is not a celebrity because even the nicest celebrities still have to put walls up. And you know, just for the protection, like Julia's a nice person,

but she's so protected and so scared of getting screwed over that you might think she wasn't nice, but Keanu doesn't care. She's got no walls, and he's just the sweetest. With Julia Roberts, were you with her during the break up with Keith or Sutherland Benjamin? So she was breaking up with Benjamin. Has she won the Oscar? I started the day after she won her Oscar. So she won the Oscar on a Sunday night and I started working for on Monday.

Do you think she regrets wearing that weird 1960s hair piece to win up Oscar? No, she's for Oscars. Anything. I regret it for her. Because I feel like that, you know, she's so known for her hair. Right.

To this day. Right. And whether she straightens it out or wears it earlier, whether it's more blonde or more red, she just has that hair. Right. And I feel like at those monumental moments in your life, that's just not the time like your wedding day

to like try a weird look, same with Kate Hudson. Remember when she was nominated? Right. She went, I don't know, but she wore this weird, you know, and the hair was cur, like a weird curly that she didn't do and she wore like this weird outfit. And I'm like, you just should have worn, you know, like, you're flowing on hair in like a six sexy, like, slinky dress. It's just how they're, you know how it is, they are not making these decisions. Right. Her team is making all the decisions. Julia, actually, of all the people I've ever worked with,

cares the least about her appearance of anyone. I will never forget walking down Fifth Avenue with her two days after she won her Oscar. She had like a banana clip in her hair and a jean jacket and not one person even blinked and because she doesn't do glant, nothing. She's very guise girl. I don't need that stuff.

So I bet you a million dollars she didn't have any input and didn't care. Yeah. I know very guys girl. I don't need that stuff. So I bet you a million dollars she didn't have any input and didn't care. Yeah. I know it sounds crazy. How could you not care what you look like, but she doesn't. I have a theory that the biggest stars from the 90s, she Pamela Anderson, it's because they had such great lips, teeth and smile, which back then couldn't be recreated. So you come across someone like a Pamela Anderson perfect teeth smile or her and you're like that's a star because you didn't see it on everybody. So now speaking of the housewives, everybody has the big giant, pearly whites and they look, I think they look good on people.

I mean, I know some people think people go too far, but when you look at the previous teeth and you look at the post-house wife teeth, I'm sorry it looks better. I feel like women carried off better than men. Men sometimes when the glaring veneers come out, and I'm like, whoa, what the? That kind of shocks me a little bit.

Just the fact that they went through that kind of trouble. And then they just don't blend as well as with the women. Women, I feel like they are doing other stuff. And it's all getting blended. And then men just walk out and you're like, whoa, new teeth. Getting back to Julie, I do have some questions. So were you working with her when she started to date her now husband, who was married to the makeup artist, Vera?

Irvina, what was her name? Vera. Vera. Can you give us any scoop her name? Oh, Vera. Vera. Can you give us any scoop on that? I mean, I'll listen. It obviously worked out. But together 21 years, I have two kids. But it was a scandal and it's all,

you can look it up in the tabloids. I'm not bringing up anything. Right. And she wore, like a shirt that said, a low Vera. I know. And she was a makeup artist that actually lived very close to where we are right now. Right. And I knew this is kind of juicy.

So I knew a mom back when our kids were little who was a writer, then she was just a mom and she went to get back and writing. And she knew her. And she wrote a fictional book from like a fictional story about this from her opinion of what is it like when you're kind of below the line, which is what we call people in the industry that are the prop master, the stunt man,

the assistant, the camera, and her guy was a cameraman, not a director, a cameraman, like a worker that gets trained. A lot of them are grandfathered in, literally their grandfather was part of the union, whatever. And she was a makeup artist and they had a nice life living in like a middle class nice home in Woodland Hills. And then he met her on the set, I guess, and they fell in love. And they didn't have any kids, Not that that makes it any less devastating. I don't want to be like Bethany Franco, who said that Ariana

shouldn't be so sad because she didn't have a kid with top set of all. But so she wrote this fictional book that was published in stuff. I don't really know that it made it, but it was kind of a juicy, did people know that that's what it was about? I think she just, like I was on Chelsea lately at the time, and she, and I remember, okay, thinking of this, okay.

I remember like, I was like, oh my God, you finished your book, and I'm on Chelsea lately, and she's like a mom at the school right, I'm like, you finished your book, that is so great, You know, let me know if you want me to post about it. This is before Instagram, but there was definitely Twitter. We were like hot on to all of us were hot on Twitter, and we'd like post about on Twitter all the time. Like Chelsea, Lilly Poole. And she goes, okay, this is how you can buy it. You've got to buy this link, which is fine. But I was kind of like, why

wouldn't she have dropped one off at my fucking doorstep? Like I lived down the street from you. I know she wanted to buy a sale and I'm not being cheap about it. I'm just saying like if you want somebody to promote your thing, make it really easy for them. Of course. Send it to them. Canada to them. You know, I know you may be, but it's not about the $8. It's just about me being like, okay, wait a minute now. I've got to get my purse, get my credit card out. Go get the thing.

And I honestly say it. I think I maybe never read it. Now I'm kind of curious to read it. Well, here's my experience. I remember I was at her office. I I'm kind of curious to read it. Well, here's my experience. I remember I was at her office. I'd only been there a month or two and I was given a camera, the old cameras, the disposable, for those days.

And I had to bring it to the photo place. And I had a photo. I had to pull it off the machine myself. Nobody else was allowed to, because they didn't want anyone to see the pictures of her and Danny doing the tequila body shots off each other. I pulled the pictures off myself. They said no one can look at these. And I was like in a cab with these pictures in my hand.

But she just wanted them for her memories. Right. And I was like shaking because I was like, at this point, the speculation was everywhere like who is Julia gonna date next? Like her and Benjamin are over. Who is the next guy? So we had people calling our office, oh, I want to set Julie up on a date with this person and that person.

And here I am with these photos that she was already dating someone but no one knew yet. And I was, because she had just broken up with Benjamin. So it was clear there was an overlap. And I was just never forget that and thinking like how many millions of, like a million. I could have made a million. Let's be honest, a million probably.

Back in those days when it was like a hard photo that the tabloids would pay for, I might have gotten a million. And he's married. And they're doing to kill a body shots. And her and Benjamin had just broken up and the pictures were not from, they were from a little before. I was like, this is major, but I never gave them to anyone. I had someone just call me and be like, oh, I've got some, you know, I've got a major store and a major celebrity, whatever. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, do you wanna tell me now, and I can evaluate like if I want you to come on the show

or not, and if you say, I can't share it, then I won't share it, whatever. And he's like, well, I'd like to get paid for this. I'll be honest, I wanna make some monetary money from it. I go, well, I don't pay for stories. Out of curiosity, I'm like, so you should go to like TMZ or something. Out of curiosity, what are you thinking of making?

Because you're gonna make $250. He said a million. No, stop. And I go, definitely not that he goes, what about $750? I'm like, no, I'm like, close. What about like a couple hundred? I'm like, no. And also your scoop isn't, and then when I found out what the scoop was later,

because we still talked and I... Everyone wondered how Dixon City Comptroller Rita Crendwell could afford so many horses. The rumor we had that she had befriended some rich little old lady and she had left her a lot of money. Somebody thought that her family had bought stock and Campbell's soup. I had heard something new was it was like a cellphone company. Like every time that cellphone rang, like she made money.

Like any cellphone. Kind of. Yeah. I know that sounds ridiculous. To find out the truth, listen to Crooked City, Dixon, Illinois, wherever you get your podcasts. It wasn't anything, it wasn't anything like definitive. I'm like, we already think this person might be doing drugs and you're saying they are.

Right. That's why I'm giving them 500. Yeah, I'm like, you have a person in office or something that's like doing lines of cocaine off. Whatever, and then you're like, here's the photo and here's the scoop and we brought in three young boys. I mean, something that would be scandalous about somebody. I'm like, yeah, not a scandal. These are not the days where you're making a million, but back then for a picture because it was the only

way to get the scoop. Right. And no one, there was no paparazzi, whatever. Like it is now. It was a big, you know, this is obviously 2001. This it was, it would have been a big deal. Yeah. They had me pull them off. There's a reason they didn't want the Photoshop person to see him. Right. And I just bought them back to the office. And I was like, well, there it was. My million dollar chance. I'll just take my $35,000 a year paycheck from you, Julia.

And move on. So then how did that job? What did you do after that? How long did you do just there for a couple of years? Yeah, I was there. And then when they got married? No. Okay. I was only there for a year because 9-11 happened and we all spent that together. I worked on Made-A-Man House. Oh, where were you in 9-11?

At Langleys with Thomas' apartment. Like, we were in New York. Yeah, I was in New York at the office when it happened. Julia lived two blocks away. She's doing aerobics with like headphones on. A aerobics, that's a word. Sure TV. And we're all just like, um, we got to get Julia out of Manhattan. So we bought her an escalade. We filled it with supplies. We got her out. Tim Robbins worked with us and he came up with like gas masks. He's like, the bridges are going to blow and we're all like putting gas. It was like a whole thing in the whole day. It was about getting Julia out of Manhattan because they're targeting

these celebrities and the bridges are wired and these crazy conspiracies. So I spent the morning getting her out of town and then I walked up to a Lane's apartment, our boss, Lane Goltbert Thomas, who now produces with Jennifer Lopez. She was our head of Redview's Volution Studios East and we walked to her carbon 80 blocks me and like the interns and the staff and her assistants

and remember that revolution studio. Right, revolution east. I worked with Rachel Horowitz, who is Adam Horowitz's sister. She's a producer. She's amazing. So because I went out for, I was up for the talk show that Jennifer was producing, that her sister was going to be. It was going to be like the younger view or the hip reveal.

Right. Before the talk, the talk would not come out, they were going to just show it was going to be Jennifer's sister. Right. His her name? Jennifer Lopez's sister? Yeah, do you remember?

I remember. That was the search and see, right? I know it was Jennifer Lopez's sister. And then like three, you know, there'd be three or four of us. Oh. And I tested it, I got the offer. And it was like, you know, you know, you had the offer before you test.

Right. So then it's like, if you get it, this is what you'll make. Right. And anyway. And it never even happened. I think they did the pilot, but they didn't pick me, which is usually what happens. And, but I remember thinking that was like, you know, kind of, I thought it was a good idea and I liked the sister.

I thought she was cool. And I think that's when Jennifer was trying to do, you know, produce things and stuff. Right. Like for the thing. Yeah. And then Elaine went on to become her producing partner from Julia. So she, the lane was Julia's agent. She discovered Julia in the bowling alley with the boyfriend, the sleeping with the enemy guy, Patrick. What's his name?

Sleeping with the enemy. Remember Julia's first boyfriend Patrick something. Wait, sleep and wait. Hold on. Jason Patrick. So Jason Patrick discovered Julia. So Julia hadn't even done the Mystic pizza yet. Nothing. She gave her, she got her Mystic pizza. Julia had a one to act. She had a boyfriend named Jason Patrick who did movies. Julia had never done anything. And but the mom ran an acting school in Georgia. Right. to act she had a boyfriend named Jason Patrick who did movies Julia never done anything and Jason.

And the mom were in an acting school at Georgia, right? Right. That's not. Jason brought Julia to bowl with his childhood friend Elaine in LA, note New York's star, Brooklyn, whatever they were all Brooklyn and Elaine said who is this girl? I swear my life. And then Elaine she was working at William Morris. Elaine was an agent, brought her in.

Elaine completely discovered her god or myst in. Elaine completely discovered her, got her Mystic Pizza, like completely discovered her in this bowling alley as Jason Patrick's girlfriend. That's the story. And then she was her agent for 25 years at William Morris, and then she went on to be her producing partner, and then left and went with JLo. Because we did main Manhattan with JLo.

So I worked with Jen like all day, every day for three months. It was amazing. Isn't it so interesting how it really can just be, you know, you just really can sometimes back in those days kind of be discovered. And you didn't go through the Yale acting school and you didn't then get commercials and then was on a soap and then got a sitcom and then got the movies I kind of feel like what's what's interesting is like you know especially being a young person you either get

right into like the movie world the A the top of the pyramid right otherwise it's very hard to jump no you're just it's very hard to jump everybody says well start're just... It's very hard to jump, but everybody says, well, start with a commercial agent, you know, this back in our days. Start a commercial agent first, and no, it's like, you've got to like, get right in there. And then hope you get lucky that someone says,

oh, you have something. I mean, that's where like, nepotism and who you date, and who you know really is true. And it's not, you know, it really, it's still really does help. It really does help. The trust thing, as you know, is a big net, even now.

Because if you know someone already, then you can be, you're in the circle. So dating or coworker or someone that used to work, it was to work with like, they're the circle of people you trust and that's what you're gonna use. And so she was in the circle from being his girlfriend. So it wasn't some random that you can't count on. You just, I can't even know it's the same.

I, all the celebrities I know, they just stay with the same people because it's all about trust. We're not gonna hire some new person that just sent me the resume on the internet. Like, it's your brother, your cousin, or whoever. I'm gonna hire them because you know them. And because,

and I think it's the same thing with every industry, I say. Like that too. Like when people talk about nepotism and everything, I'm like, yeah, and if you're, you know, and if you're dad and your grandpa were plumbers and they have a really successful plumbing business, like you're going to be probably are going to want to be a plumber and then like, and you're probably going to hire your high school friend to work at that plumbing place. Like, I mean, it does happen in other industries where it is about knowing people and it isn't just finding someone blindly.

And even you, Heather, you use a lot of the people on here that you've worked with before because you know them and you know they're solid and they're gonna give a good show. And I mean, you took a chance on me today, but usually, and so people could say, oh, you know, it's just the same people, but it's because you trust them.

You know what they're gonna give you. And that's important., oh, you know, it's just the same people, but it's because you trust them You know what they're gonna give you and that's important right when you're creating content. You don't want some firecracker It's gonna come on and blow up your show. No, I'm not going to Okay, so then you worked with JLo were you with JLo during any of the Ben Affleck season one term and her were married And he was with her every the dancer. Yes, every second. Has the number one. Yes, he was with her every second. Every all the meetings we had Chris would be like, with this big sneakers up on the thing, like stretch out giving us, you know,

just not speaking, but like Jennifer, me, Elaine, Julia, whoever. And he would just be there. And he was very, very good to look at like his skin glowed like he was so. But he wasn't the at weight. She had a husband before that. Right. She had the waiter. Then she had Chris the dancer. Chris, this is Chris the dancer that she was with

during Meita Manhattan. Okay. And he was very lovely to look at. He never spoke, but he was so, it's just like sitting there. And we were all just like, look at him once in a while. Yeah. So I think that might have been the role he played in our life.

Just hang out, look great. Right. But he came everywhere. It was hilarious. Like anything we did he was there just not talking and then who was and then And did you enjoy working with her? Oh, yeah, I love She's the kind of person that would come Jen we call her would come to the office and like give you stuff that people had sent her I mean like oh, would you like this, you know box of product clothes I'm not gonna use them and you're like what? Yes, I would like that. She invited us. I do think invited us better than the way Bethany does it go to Tiam McTijay Max and films the person and it's already

Been used I mean bath and I mean jet. We didn't I mean J. Lo wouldn't be posting it was never used It was never open to see what color it was or whatever the reason those things were already I don't even get why those things were used. Like, if someone sends you product and you don't want them, you give them. But the weird thing about that whole story was how she said, I just opened it for a second to look at. That was strange. Why are you opening it?

If you're not gonna use it. No, she did say she used it. But she didn't use it a lot of it. Okay, but if you're putting something on your lips, you don't give that to a person. There's bacteria, there's germs. In this day, post-pandemic world, what are we giving people, something you've used? person. There's bacteria, there's germs. In this day post pandemic world, what are we giving people, something you've used?

That's unsanitary. But she would do that, which is nice, which is great. Jennifer would never. I do that too. I've always like, do you guys want this for me? Jennifer would never use the stuff. Well, she did need to, unlike Bethanage, she did not need to be using things

and buying things, herself ever. Nobody bought any, Jennifer and JLo never bought it. I mean, Julie and Jennifer never bought anything for themselves, yourself ever. Nobody bought any Jennifer and JLo never bought it. I mean, Julie and Jennifer never bought anything for themselves, like ever. You know, we bought it. Okay. Your favorite, perfume this, like we got it. They're not at the stores.

Yeah, they're not shopping. However, I saw JLo at SACs in Beverly Hills. Amazing. Just in the last five years, and we met before and she was lovely. With like a couple of people, I really, I mean, I think she was maybe stopped there by to get something after or whatever.

I just wanted to go. I mean, this beautiful store. And yeah, I know. I'm sure they shop. I'm just saying they're not at target, like I'm giving makeup people. Yeah, she's stunning. It's another level.

We'll put Bethany here on the level. And then, you know, there's Jen's not going to target. So you weren't there during the Ben Affleck years? No not at all. It was not there but obviously Elaine has worked with her closely all these years and I'm going to the lane so I get a lot of the scoop of the Ben. I heard the Ben. This is my favorite quote from someone in the inner circle about Ben and Jen. They said the first week that they were back together, they had more sex than Jen had with A-Rod in the entire marriage or entire engagement. Like, since she knew A-Rod, I think they dated for three years, she had more sex with Ben that week and I was like, enough said.

I totally believe that. Also, because when they got back together, I'm like, I think this is like Also because when they got back together, I'm like, I think this is like awesome because only J-Lo could hook up with a guy that she dated 20 years ago and be like, I'm more gorgeous now than I was 20 years ago. And I've always been very attracted to Ben Affleck. So I like that they're... He's very tall.

Have you met him in person? He's very tall. The tall, but yes. I went to a premiere that he was doing. So I did get to see him standing there. No, it's the height, because I've met him. I met with him, and I was an executive at Fox for Harold Raimus.

They came into pitch me a movie. And they pulled up in this blue convertible antique car, on brand, the two of them. They jumped out. They're right in front of my window, my bungalow, they jump out of the car, they're convertible and they come in and we have this amazing meeting and they were so animated but I was very swoony over them because he was just like tall and I don't know, he looks like he could just like wrap his arms around you. I was very into him, not

that but I was into him. They just did some like exclusive photos and it's just them in a car. wasn't to him. They just did some like exclusive photos and it's just them in a car. I think she might be driving. I don't know. Oh no, no, he'd be driving and she's just there and she's looking straight ahead and he's like, and you know, they're snapping it and they're like, oh my god, what is this about? It must they must be arguing. You have to get a lepreater. Yeah, I love lepreaters. Well, it was just I don't even think it was video. It was just like a snap. I think it must be arguing because he's been co-parenting so well with Jennifer Gardner. And I'm like, oh my God.

Like anybody cares. And then you read the whole thing. They're like, scene driving around in LA on Friday. I'm like, Friday LA traffic, that's why they're not smiling. Like it has nothing to do with jealousy or whatever, but we do enjoy talking about that. Of course.

And I think they, I don't think she necessarily minds it. Like sometimes I think, in my opinion, she, and Jennifer Garner to go out and engage with paparazzi where it's, and they were, you know, shocked to see them on the corners. What I'm saying. Of course, of course. Yeah. But the tender moments, because then we see them, you know, on the red carpet, and they were, you know, shocked to see them on the corners, what I'm saying. Of course, of course. But the tender moments, because then we see them, you know, on the red carpet and they're definitely arguing,

and then immediately you'll see the tender moment a few days later from right at the Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah, like, oh, how did we just happen to, you know that? Well, tell us a little bit about how you decided to do this book and explain it a little bit to us, because it's so fun, there's all this great art. It's all different quizzes. So you can really play with your friends or play by yourself with the answers on the bottom. And so tell me a little bit about it. So this book actually ties into Julia Roberts because when I went to

work for Julia, I was her story editor and the gentleman who was the story editor that I was replacing, I met him briefly. Story editor for what? Julia Robert Troules Productions. Oh, her production. So you'd read scripts that came in and stuff. OK. I was her story editor.

So I was replacing a guy named Mark. I'd never met him before. And at the time, I was writing this big gossip column for Warren Zye to produce American Pie. So he had a website for American Pie. And my blog was on there. And it was a big blog. It had like 500,000 subscribers,

and it was anonymous, and I would just talk about Hollywood and our development. Now, I have to say, now while you have this job, did they not know that you had this blog? No, they love my blog. Julia bought my blog to make a new TV show with Darren Star. They love my blog.

What was it called? It was called D-Girl Diary. They did a huge- Wait, I remember this. I remember everybody knows D-Girl Diary. So what happened with the show? Well, 9 love my blog. What was it called? It was called D-Girl Diary. They did a huge show. Wait, I remember this. Sure, everybody knows D-Girl Diary. So what happened with the show? Well, 9-11 happened. Daringstar took me to the finale of Sex and the City at Lincoln Center, because I was his new, like,

Candace Bushnell, because of my blog. Right. It was amazing. And I had a book deal with Harper Collins, and they were going to make it a TV show. And I was like, on the development slate at my company, it was so great. So I wrote this blog in Hollywood, and it was anonymous on the development slate at my company. It was so great. So I wrote this blog in Hollywood and it was anonymous at first and then for Warren and then they

uh, Anna David did a big spread on me in Premier Magsie and I had pictures of me to out me and it was funny. It was just like, this is do you girl everybody? Like all the guesses that you've all had is not right. This is her. I'm pretty sure you don't know who who know her, but I would write all the inside, not most not like,, trashing celebrities was really like the us that development people who sold the drugs, who did the, you know, I just used different names, and then I would talk about like Jennifer Aniston's birthday party that we all snuck in the back window and Sundance, you know, the we all like, you know, went through the garage, like how we would get into all these crazy parties.

We say like, you know, we don't know. Oh, how did you do it? So, I, because my best friend and I had a saying, if we know the address of a party we're going, so the whole guest list and I'll let whatever, you would go. Half the time, as long as you know that it's going on, they'll let you in, because you know you're there,

you're in the hills, you're at the house. And if we didn't, like for Jennifer Aniston, it was at some bar on sunset, and we went up to the front and they had closed the party because it was over capacity. You know, the Fire Marshall gets out there and my friend gives the Fire Marshall $100. So he lets us in. And then in Sundance, there was a big party for, it was like, Blue Straveller was singing,

blah, blah, blah, you know, the 90s. And we literally went through the back, a window through the garage, my friend and I snuck through the window to get into the party. Everybody was there, like, camera, Diaz, and but still everybody was there. And then you'd write about that in the blog. In my blog. So how do you feel about the Du Mois?

Now Du Mois, my followers have all these deals and stuff for TV shows and stuff, and nobody knows who she is. I bet on her show, so I have talked to her on the phone. I believe she had the weird voice thing when I did it. Yeah. And what is your opinion of how she does it? I mean, all my followers say that I'm like the 90s, Demo.

Yeah. So I've got all the tea. It's just from the 90s. So if you care about the 90s, come to me. I call it juicy scoop history. Right. And juicy scoop history, exactly. And eventually, I plan. I've been manifesting that I will be

teaching a class one day at USC I will be a salaried professor right doing either real house wife's history juicy screw history it'll be a combo class well she I definitely feel like I bring the history to my followers yeah I do like to watch he's reposted me a bunch of times, so we have a report, she gave me her book, an autograph book for a giveaway I was doing, and so she's nice, whoever it's two, I think. I think it's two girls.

Always that the secret? Is that why it's called Du Bois? It's two girls. I don't know if they're still doing it together, but it's for sure two girls. I can see the picture of their faces in my head who they really are. I wouldn't ever say their name, because I actually don't know if they're still doing it together, but it's for sure two girls. I can see the picture of their faces in my head who they really are. I wouldn't ever say their name because I actually don't remember. But they're people in Hollywood inside Hollywood and know who they are.

Oh, okay. So they do get real scoop from real people. But a lot of it is just sharing an anonymous DM on their stories, which I sort of have like a little bit of a moral issue with, that's why I don't really cover it. I think it's kind of interesting when somebody sends it to me, they're like, what do you think about that? I'm like, that's interesting.

It informs you, but you're not gonna post it. Right, because I'm not gonna report on it, because I'm like, literally someone could write, it could be an idea. It could be an idea. And they're like, I saw Heather making out with the at HQ right after it was this day which they I know they just recorded their show

So they went over there they had three margaritas and they were making out anonymous please and it's just not true like it's not true But it could be true, but it could be true and there's enough true, but it could be true. It could be true, but it could be true. It could be true, but it could be true. It could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true. It could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, but it could be true, does it the same way, but I assume probably partially is. She knows the source and it's usually a big one like a housewife. And it turns it into a blind that's from a... Because it's based on real info and Bravo and Cocktails wants to get that info out there, but she can't say like, oh, you know, Teresa gave me this. So it's like, I have a friend who went to the party. No, there's not a friend.

It's so a lot of them are fake, but they're real. So that's why a lot of heres do turn out to be true. Yeah, I like Bravo cocktail too. Yeah, because they turn out to be true, because she got it from a real person. She just can't say that. And they they wanted to disguise the fact that it came from them. So they'll pretend like it's someone else.

But that's a lot of them. And that's why her info is good. And I've done that too. I have gotten T from I know exactly who I'm getting it from, but I will try to change it. So it doesn't look like it's coming from them. I'll be like, oh, I got this random tip. I mean, this. I don't know who this person. It must be a fin stuff But it's not it's that person so I know it's right

So I don't do blinds a lot either because I don't trust them and I've been burned before a bravo a blog a bravo page sent me false T so I'd post it to make me look once and I'll never forget it. Wait, what did you do a bravo page? It doesn't like me sent me a T and was like oh my my god, you're supposed to It's amazing and I did and she did on purpose. It was not true. It's fine. I don't care. Oh my god I never sent that I was like nope. I'm not taking tea unless I know who you are I'm not just gonna post to whatever right now I have to know who it is and then all the skies it for them So no one would ever know where it came from yeah, so that way I can really rely and when I'm posting like my followers No, 90% of what I post is 100% true because I'm talking to this person on the phone

Who is on the real house wise? So it's true. I just can't say it came from them. So I say I just word it And I feel like I know bravon cocktails does that and if you do my smart, they do that too Yeah, you're not you think they will I kind of go with This is my theory and this is my theory, and this is my opinion. Oh, right. And, you know, and I do have those as well, based on what I've gotten, but also my knowledge

and putting two and two together, being in this business, and so I am probably giving you what the scoop is, but it isn't so much, you know, or this person. And I never like to do anything about someone being fired on the housewives. I'm like, I never say I want someone fired and I never want to like predict someone being fired because I think that's like shitty. Well, because you know, it's about, we're all trying to make a living. So I'm like, you don't want to cut someone's living off. I know so when people you know what I've also knows too with the way

These group these people work too is they'll like They'll be on a podcast or something and they'll talk about me and they'll say I Threaten them in a DM or something and I'm like what and someone will send that to me the little clip And I go and I listen listen, and I go, I can't believe this. I never had a beef with this person. And I go and I go back on our DMs. And there's nothing, nothing like that. And I'm like, they want me to then clear it up on this show, which is a much bigger audience. So they get the view. To say, hey, I had no problem with Joe Schmoh. Right. Why are they saying this? What an asshole.

And then they could go back and be like, ooh, okay, sorry. You know, and we can get, you know, and they love that for the views and the phones. Yeah, so no, I'm just like, no, you don't engage me. No, no, no, no. Because I'm not giving you free publicity based on a lot. And I'm never threatening anybody or, you know, like it's so dumb.

I'm like, isn't your husband a lawyer? No, he's not a lawyer. my sister and brother are a lawyer. Okay, so you have a lawyer? It's very, very good. Lawyers will tell you there's ever put any real lawyer. He could pass the baby bar away before Kim could. No, he is very good at reading contracts,

he's very good at understanding things. So I'll say, can you explain this thing to me sometimes? Oh, good. You know, whatever. I need to get them. Yeah, and then me sometimes? Oh, good. You know, whatever. I need to get them. Yeah. And then like, give me the Clifton Awards. I got a track.

So the book. So this guy that replaced at Julia Roberts Company, Mark, he went on to be Books Count for all the big studios. And he's the one that brought my book deal. He worked for Drew the Regan. And he brought my book to Drew the three again, who bought it. So I don't need one about the D girl. Right.

I only had met him for a minute, but he read my blog. So he wrote, you write your girl diary. I'm gonna get you a book deal and they just done the premiere, which outed me. So he got it to Judith. Judith signed me. Then Judith got fired for the OJ book. Right. Which was to remind people was,

she published the book, OJ wrote a book saying, if I did it, this is how I would have done it. Which people, as you can imagine, didn't really, I don't think Kim Goldman and her father appreciated that. That was my publisher. So that's why my book never got published. But anyway, Mark went on to become a book scout for all the big studios. He still does this.

And he eventually married a girl who is works for a publisher. And that's the girl who called me to say, I love your page. I love your mom's are watching. I want you to do a trivia book for me. So she, so it was kind of her idea. It was her idea I didn't have any idea and she said I just feel like with your page and I was telling her I'm not really this encyclopedia I've watched all the shows But I'm not one of those people where you can say like on season two. I'm like, huh?

I don't know. I don't have that brain. Yeah, I'm creative. I'm not like you know Did you use anyone to help pre-med? No, I use nobody and you can tell when you go through but anyway the point is I did it for her because she loves my page and she knew that I would have like a lot of good insights. And so I wrote it for her and now I'm doing a Vandiprint Rules one. So I'm almost done with that one. So basically the idea of it. I think this is so fun and so great. And you know, I feel and I don't feel like it was too easy. Even some of them, even some of them, I was like, I don't know if that was Bali or if that was,

see this trip, I see it in my head and I'm like, woo, that was a good one. So I think you could have a lot of fun with your friends on your girl nights and see how well people do and there's different scoring and it's all the different cities and um it's a good size it's a good price. It's sparkly. I like it. This is what I think about it. I I've always thought of it this way is that there has never been a book that has everything

in it like you can go to Dubai you can go to DC. Yeah. And it comes from day one to the last day when I wrote it and so I feel like this is like the definitive, like how this is your house because now this is where it all is. Like all the big memeable moments, all the things you've forgotten. And then I was thinking to be a good thing for Bravo Commer, you could get, I think we should make these people sign it.

Like make these housewives stop for a second. How annoyed would they be? I love it. How annoyed they be is like, can Kyle, because Kyle reaches in on the front. Kyle, can you sign my book? She's gonna wanna kill me. Kyle gave you a quote.

Kyle Melissa, and Whitney. A fun and witty. A trip down Housewives memory lane. Very nice. And then Melissa Gorgas on the back. And and Kate Casey gave a great forward. Kate Casey's a good friend of mine.

She has, she's such a good writer in kind of explaining Housewives, you know, in general. In a really smart way. And then we have Margaret Joseph, Maris Elpaton, Joanna Krupa, of course, because she's in my family, Alexis. She's in your family. What do you mean?

Well, she dated my brother for two years, and there's still best friends. Um, pre-remain, because if you ever looked up my brother, you would see, looks exactly like Romaine. She dated my brother, and then a guy looked just, so they were back in the day where they hung out with, um, Slade, Smiley, they hungy they hung out with Joe Francis, you know, that turned out. We know. Yeah. And Kato Kalen is my brother's best friend. I know Kato too.

Yeah. I told my brother I was coming on here and he was like, Oh, Kato's going to die because I love Kato. Yeah. Kato comes to like my family gathering. That's how close we all are with Kato and Joanna is the same. She's like a sister. So that was the whole and so we dated her for two years.

Very serious. He picked her up literally from the airport from Poland and like got her her first like modeling gig for Piken, you know, Piken. He used to do these things. Robert Piken, he's a big real estate guy out here. He used to do this. Oh, yeah, I know Robert Piken. Of course. The ball head. Right. So Piken used to do these videos with girls. Oh, yeah. No, blabberly, we're at the same party at the same time. Yeah, we went to the playboy Manton every Saturday night on the little bus because Joanna was always at the playboy man. Yeah, yeah

I want on the bus so Pike and had these little videos where he would put girls on to sell his real estate And Joanna he hired Joanna her first job was like two thousand dollars to come on and be like, you know Hi, I'm Joanna buyer and my brother started dating her immediately like from the airport hang I don't know where my brother stalks these girls out But he finds somebody found her and he's like I got this girl. She's pulling pain for her mom I'm paying for murder pain for the whole family the rent. It's amazing and I meet her Heather I he goes after you have to meet my girlfriend. She's amazing. He goes we're going to sizzler I'm like hmm interesting choice. I go to sizzler. She's like this is my favorite restaurant

She had like a thick accent at the time, and she was wearing head-to-toe leather with just little strips right over the nipple, like nothing else. It was like a body suit, but it was just like, boop, that's Syslar. She of course looked stunning. Like I couldn't even, was like mesmerized by her eyes. And I'm thinking, she's beautiful.

She's like, this is my favorite restaurant. I'm like, who the heck is this bimbo? You've picked up, because I don't know where yet. How sweet she is. She's amazing. But at the time the time I was like what was this girl let me do go to sizzle aren't she's wearing head that's so leather I'm not into it I just saw a tiktok of a beautiful girl saying I love cheesecake factory she's from Australia and she goes and when I came back to Australia every Australian

Astrid did you go to cheesecakecake factory? And they love it. And she's like that brown bread. And I don't know, like there's certain places that it's just unique to here. I guess if you don't grow up here. Well, I was fascinated, and that was my first impression, and then ever since then, and she basically didn't talk, she just pushed her lips and like held on

to my brother the whole dinner. And I was just like, do you speak English? And she's like, yes, of course. And I was like, well, you could talk. We have a big family of 10 people in my family, because we need to know who you are if you're going to date my brother. And he was driving a ma'sorati and living the life of time.

Where's the brother now? My brother? Yeah. He's in the Dominican Republic, living in the Dominican Republic selling stem cells. You can go to him to get cheap stem cells. What do you do with stem cells? You can put them in your body just to like help you for things like if you have like a chronic problem They insert them he goes. Yeah, I got a million stem. He's right my freegie

Gotta come down here for your MS I'm gonna like put these stem. He's right in you. I'm gonna carry you right up. I'm like Eric When did you become a doctor like I don't because he did on he trained for misuse. You have MS? Yes. And how long have you had it for? So I got diagnosed three weeks after 9-11 when I worked for Julia. Oh. So Julia and Elaine got me my doctor who was like the most famous MS doctor in the world and like saved my life. Because I would be in meetings with Julia, Jennifer Lopez, Elaine, and I would be falling on the floor like my armored policy all the up to the side of my face and I'd be laying down with the meeting like no I got this I'm taking the notes and they're like are you okay

and they finally sent me the hospital like you have to get this checked out this is not normal and they diagnosed me and they took care of it. I just want to say like you look great I would never know and for having it for 23 years you should share your knowledge. I do want my help. On your mom's, they're watching if somebody I'm asking for. Yeah, I'm asking for. I'm sure you could direct people to some stuff. Yes, the medicines they have now.

But it's not your brother, Stem Cell? Why not? My brother wants me down there so bad, but you know what? Because you don't understand how many, I'm not going to say scams. Business endeavors, my brother, has pitched to my family. We are all so over it. He's like listen you guys

I mean first he did the kids get your kid into the movie business. That was his business kids and teens Okay, you look at all go to them go to the thing You don't want to go to Disney right, right? And then you pay all that money and yeah, he went to the brine Rotman He did this whole thing and then right bar one. They were always a bar one So he had this thing where he pitched you go to a um get a bunch of we would scout the kids out at the mall. Every kid was a star and come to the seminar and he would stand up there. Now my brother was- Could I just say what's a little bit back? Because I thought about this the other day. So my

mom and dad are real tours and we did have agencies kids and my sister did have the kids of the business. But my mom would do that to ingratiate herself to get the listing no matter what the kid looked like. My mom would be like, get that kid an agent. And they'd we are running was that, I'm O'Brien Rotman. The O'Brien Rotman charged you $1,500 for the package. I wanted the package included. It was like pictures and you know, headshots and training. I mean, BS, right? You do get a manager, which is important,

but the manager has 400,000 clients, cause they all go to her. So my brother's pitch was high. So O'Brien Rotman, whoever the guy is, Eric Rotman, he would send my brother the people who rejected him. Okay. And then my brother would have us call and say, hi, like I saw you at this O'Brien Rotman thing.

I was just in the back, you know, looking. And I noticed like how amazing your kid is, but like, what are they crazy? $1,200, you should have been paying more than $500 for this. Like, $500 max.. Like the 500 max. Why don't you come meet my brother. He's a casting director because, by the way, he casted the extras for Biodome.

Pfft, I'm not kidding. Paulie Shores movie Biodome. So he's a big casting director. Come meet Eric and he's gonna bring it to your kid. And then the seminar my brother did. It was so gold. He would stand up there and he would be like, listen parents, I gotta tell you right off the bat

When I get your kid on to a sitcom. I'm sorry, but you're only gonna get because of Gary Coleman 10% So if they're making $450,000 a week you're only gonna make 45,000 the rest goes into a trust and the parents are like 45 what did you say my son's gonna be and they're like Yeah, that was the pitch so they would they would you know sign up for $500 and then they just they were here from them again So he did I don't want to say that it wasn't completely legit. They did get a manager but no So he all could only do it in each city for like a year because then he gets started getting the suit the lawsuits So he would

Say My brother this by the way is Joanna group with boyfriends. So don't take it up with me. Was this was right. Yes. And then they went out for two years. And then she got the playboy cover. And my brother went to a party with her for the playboy cover.

And he met Dean Kane. Right. And Dean. And Dean Kane said to my brother, like, guess who I bang last night. And it was Joanna. That's his girlfriend. And that was the end of the relationship.

But there's still best friends. We all laugh about the story now in our family, Dean Kane, Superman. And is she and Brandy Glanville okay? Is Brandy Glanville okay? Well, you know this. That's the what happened with them. No, the vagina.

Yeah. My brother swears that, um, that Joanna Krupa's vagina smells like a rose bed. He swears. But they are best friends to the state. So he wouldn't say otherwise. But he is well for people to remind you what happened was it was on the after show of what watch what happened live. And Brandy just said, um, well, I was told by Mohammed, or Mohammed told Lisa Vanderbilt who told me that it doesn't smell like a rose. And what I think the problem was, is that, you know, and I've learned this now, but it

took a little long time, is you shouldn't even try to defend such nonsense. You should just don't give it any like. Just say it's not true. And she went hardcore and they went back and forth for years. And I think they finally settled, but she was suing Brandy, you know, and then, and then, and then, and then she was all on the list. I brought it up because I thought I felt

bad for everyone involved, but I did think it was just like such a kind of a funny thing. You know, so I've written like page 6 is right about. And so then they would get on the, they'd be deposed to go and like Andy was on the deposition and then I think Mark Consuelo swathe because he was the transgressor. Well, none of them ended up going, they got settled. But then they would be annoyed, like, with everyone involved, because they're like, why? I don't want to fly to LA and beat. Why are you deposing me, like, Annie Cohen

and at least a van or pump or everything? And then it was like, well, now we need to speak to the gynecologist. And then finally, I think they just, then they agreed. And it's obviously a settlement that we can't, that we are not made aware of. But, oh my god, well my brother. It's a shame, I really think they probably

could have been great friends. My brother has posted on his little Facebook page. I mean, my brother's not a public figure. Although he's like best friends with Kato and Janus Dickinson and all those people, but he's not a public figure. But he has posted on there. Here is my take on this.

Her vagina smells amazing. I've never smelled anything like it. It's like, you're down there. It's like, you know, she's just smells like flowers. And I mean, he has gone in. He's been like, I promise. And we've been broken up for years. So maybe that's why there's still friends today, of course.

Because that's something that's very big on the vagina smells lovely thing. And I think Joanna really appreciates it. Because he has personal love. No, if Joanna would ever want to come back to Miami. No, 100%. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I got up. I about like this book is housewives I want nothing. Okay, so she was like and then I begged her as like I pulled the family card and my brother called her And he was like Joanna you got to give it's my sister and we've hung out me and Joanna She so she gave in but she did not so she will not only does she never want to come back to housewives She doesn't want anything to do with any of it. She's like very angry. She's married in a mom now, right? No, she's divorced again Oh, she has a mom., right? No, she's divorced again. She's a mom. She has a mom. Okay. So she, yeah, she has her life.

She's in Poland a lot. She does modeling in Poland. She's just, I don't know what happened, what it is, but I can tell you right now. She is never coming anywhere near Bravo. You will never see her again. She didn't want to talk to me about it. You'll never see my face again. Ever. I'm out of money. Well, thank you so much this is amazing really glad you came out uh... you guys should get it now order it tell them where they can find it you can find it on amazon it's at parnt and no bull and all those places books a million but also you guys i'm gonna try to sell some of these at bravo con she wasn't going to and i was like i've talked to you i go come on girl

like i just want to figure out logistics of how to carry books around, because they don't let you put them into the conference with like a bag or a rolling suitcase. I think we're gonna make a plan where maybe it'll be able to be sold in and around the facility. And so you'll be seeing people selling this and then you should buy it at BravaCon together.

I would say just get it before BravaCon. Okay, get on and bring it in your bag and like, and have fun. And our plan, me and Heather, could you can blame this this and Heather McDonald that we want you to really annoy the housewives and make everyone of them sign when you do your little photo apps They'll sign right there. They're gonna love this. They're gonna love the extra two minutes It takes and the pen and all that And then you could tell them Heather McDonald and the Edasuzza from your moms are watching told us to get this autograph And they can't what are they gonna say they're gonna have to do it and they're gonna want to kill me and it's gonna be amazing. They're all gonna

block me and they're gonna be like you're the one that made that you got the ink all over my blouse and the girl with the fumbling pen and I'm like listen. Of course you're gonna work their phone. No exactly. I'm sorry these little photo ops you wait two hours for we need to get some like ink on a book for that. Yeah. You get the one snap photo it comes out blurry you put it on your page this is for life so let's make all the housewives sign this book at BravoCon. So fun. And then there's a chance we come to my show at the edition of a movie. On Saturday, that is going to be a live juice scoop. I cannot wait. I can't wait for that. Check it out. I'm so excited. I love the Juicy Scoop idea because we were talking earlier about how draining Rob O'Conn

is. And isn't it going to be so nice on Saturday after we're done with our whole day of panels and whatever to go sit and just laugh at Juicy Scoop like I love that idea. At the Venetian. At the Venetian, which is... Look at the spear. I call it amazing. Go on the Condola.

How the yummy show. I think we're going to do that Saturday night and then I'll be there and I'm at Captain Lee's show. Captain Lee is doing a one-man show at the Westgate, the owned by Queen of Versailles, you know that. Yes, I, oh I know her. Jackie will be there. Oh I just wrote her. I'm like, are you coming? She's coming because the Captain Lee's show. Maybe she can come to the juicy scoop. Oh too. Oh there. So she'll be there. I love her. She's so sweet. We've invited a few other bravo labs to come to Captain Lee's show. Like I know Carl's coming. So if you want to get the scoop, just approach him.

He won't mind. Make him sign the book. Tell him that the other McDonald's are eating to tell the other thing about. They're now in single. Yeah. We is single. That's right. So come to Captain Lee's show at the West Gate on Thursday night.

And then there's a meeting greet. And the show I wrote it, it's amazing. It's a, he does games with the audience. We were all about the games and the calling out stuff. And he'll do like his one-liners too, if you tell him something. I love the show. We put it on at the Hard Rock and Florida,

and it came out amazing. People were just, it was great. It was sold out. So you got Captain Lee show, you got BravoCon, you're making all everybody sit down and sign this. I don't care how long it takes. Approach them in the hallways. They love that.

I approached Heather at BravoCon last year, and she was like, I'm going, I don't care how long it takes. Approach them in the hallways, they love that. I approached Heather at Bravo Con last year and she was like, I'm going, I'm on my way somewhere and I'm like, but it's thea from your mom's art. You know what this is? You're like, down the hall. Okay, so here's the thing that what made it hard is because when I was there, I really got to a place where I had meet

for like six hours. But that's what I mean. And I have fainted on stage before. I'm like I was like and and I'm you know I love that people recognize me But I'm like the stars that go in the golf cart behind and they're there protected and everything And so they can have their little bit of a down time captain Lee does and then it holds yeah And then but like people are asking for photos, which I absolutely love But then when you say no then people but like, people are asking for photos, which I absolutely love.

But then when you say no, then people are like, she was rude. She was rude. And I'm like, well, I was trying to get to the next thing, just like everybody else. So that's why I'm like,

listen, I'm just gonna have my own thing in Las Vegas. Come to me, take the pictures of me. But that's why this book's all good. And then go to the Bravo Things and see your that's why this book is all good. And then sign. And then sign to the Bravo Things and see your proper people at their panels and all that other stuff. But that is why it's going to be so annoying when they try to get people to,

when they're all Luann with her, you know, crew is walking through and someone goes, you're, can you sign by me? Don't just come to the camera. I love it, they're gonna love it. But guess what? It'll be such, so good for me, because they'll see the book and they will hate the book.

But then, you know, no publicity is bad publicity. I'm into it. It's all good. Thank you for coming. Thank you so much for having me. I love it. Get the book is fun. I can't wait. Your covers are too long. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Jesus, it was so fun to see you.