Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Jlo’s Wedding and Erika Jayne’s Lawsuit Insider

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

Big announcement! I added a second show to Dallas! Get tickets at heathermcdonald.net  Jlo and Ben had their 2nd wedding, and I got the details. Bethenny Frankel maybe can’t take a joke. And Just Like That, Aiden returns, and I predict what will happen between him and Carrie. USC Frats are defecting, and I’m glad to be a boy mom. RHOBH Lisa Rinna says she’s been worse, and that was when her mom was alive. Then return guest Kimberlee Archie is here to explain how the victims of Tom Girardi could recoup their money. What does it mean that Tom’s former judge/mistress returns his gifts to the trustee? Could more people and politicians be forced to do the same? Why did a lawyer contact Sutton? What is truth and not alleged, and why is this the most significant legal scandal in California history? This is So juicy, informative, and still funny.  Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to get exclusive Extra Juicy episodes every Friday and get all episodes of Juicy Scoop, ad-free Or get access to Extra Juicy on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Back to the number one tabloid real life hot cat Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo, and a McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. What a weekend, so much juice to cover. And then, a little bit later in the show, I had a great interview with Kimberly Archie.

She is my Erica Jane Tom Gerardi inside expert and she is going to explain the latest that has happened With some of the lawsuits some that she's personally involved in What is happening with Erica Jane what it means to the case what they're all of it is coming and it was really juicy and you guys are gonna love it But first I tell you the juiciest news is that I sold out the first show in Dallas to all my Dallas, Texas peeps. You're crying. Well, lucky for you, we were able to add a second show.

November 5th, there now will be a second show at 945. Get your tickets at Heather McDonnell dot net. Justin is joining me that whole weekend in Texas at San Antonio Houston, then two shows in Dallas on that November weekend. So, but also it's kicking off on in September with Minneapolis and Chicago.

All those dates, including the ones with Chris Van Jolla, and the one on Bravo Con weekend in New York City with Carlos King. That one is almost sold out. All these tickets available at Heather McDonnell.net, get your tickets now. OK, you guys. So thank you. I'm finally out of 300,000 people on Instagram.

You're probably like Heather, you loser. I can't believe you've been on it for that long. And that's how few people you have. Well, social media is a tricky thing. I'm not going to try to say I can figure it out. Algorithms, whatever. Showing a titch, not showing a titch, showing a nipple. I don't know what gets people to follow you, unfollow you.

I will say I really never lose anyone. I just only gain like two people a month. So whatever spread the world, thank you whatever spread the world thank you for getting word thank you for getting me to three and a thousand so anyway i follow about the new franklin i came across you know that she was bitching on her show which is a good clip on it and about how she believes in a nutshell

that because she reviews these makeup lines and she talked about and skin makeup lines and she talked about skin care lines and she talked about Kim Kardashian skin care line and wasn't very complimentary in general and page six wrote about it because they had a slow day and whatever. And so she then said, my things aren't getting the views they used to.

And what is it about the Kardashians? And it's a drug, they're like drug dealers feeding us their stories all the time and why is the media doing this? And look, sometimes you guys think I defend the Kardashians. What, listen, a lot of us wouldn't be able to make money the way we're making it today if it wasn't for the Kardashians. Really, honestly, they were the first people to really launch, you know, making money and selling products through social media,

being your own independent person, having ads that they could put on their own Instagram. So that's why I'm like, you know what, don't shit on the forefathers of what we do, okay? And also, like, I just feel that Bethany is really better I think she's really like hey why don't I why don't I have my jets and things like they do and I just feel like coming through her so and I don't believe that Kim Kardashian after seeing her little video on TikTok called the head of TikTok it is like

hi it's Kim can you make sure that Bethany's videos don't get any more views? I just don't believe it. There's times, guys, I have one video that got 9.1 million views, and then I'll post something that I think is funny and great, we'll post it at the same time, and it's got like 22,000 views.

I don't know, I don't get it. I just keep doing the grind and giving my people the content, having the dollar content that they love. I don't freak out if one video doesn't do it as well as the other because I'm just like, well, I'll come up with something new tomorrow. I'm not like, ohhoo you know whatever so I thought it'd be funny after my friend sent me her video bitching how she thinks the Kardashians keeping her from her things being seen I then did a tick-tock and I and real

where I said I think Bethany Frankl is keeping me from getting more views because I talked about her on my podcast and I talked about how she has this cute young guy and she did this post about, I found this young guy, he's like a big brother to a brin, he's like a little son, another son to me, even though he has a mother, she goes, and I mean his dad's a steel worker and his mom's a nurse. And you know, can you believe it? But I still invited him to the Hamptons. We have nothing in common except these tall and gorgeous and has 10 million TikTok followers.

But oh my gosh, I think we can really help each other. And I was like, girl, listen Bethany, you don't do anything that is not self-serving. You know, I'm sorry. I just, that's my opinion of watching you. I think you're funny, I think you're smart, I think you're talented, I think you can give good advice, but I see it, and I think many people see it. So thank you for telling us about the products

that you like and you don't like, but I'm telling you there's an end game to this, and that's fine, but I just don't think like making it about that the Kardashians are coming after you. And then listen, you don't have to report on them. You don't have to follow them. Don't be mad that page six does 10 articles about the Kardashians.

You don't have to, listen, they had nothing to write about that day. Some girl at Page Six is sitting there going, hmm, what am I going to write about that day. Some girl at Page Six is sitting there going, what am I going to write about today? But okay, well, Kim, you know, cut her pubes. All right, Kim has shorter pubes hours now. And she put it on Instagram. So now I'm going to write an article about it.

And then you have to fill up your podcast. And then you decide, I guess I'll talk about the fact that Kim cut her pubes. That's your choice. That's my choice. There's days when I do that too, but it's like it's not their fault. It's not their fault.

You can talk about that there is a, the president of the new head person at NASA's, a girl, okay? You can talk about the chiefs the first woman. I saw that on today's show. I thought it was cool. Didn't really think I was gonna mention it on Juicy Scoop, now I just popped it in my head. So yay! All right, let's talk about Kim's pubes. You know you'd rather talk about that. You're like, Heather, she laser-haired them off a million

years ago. I know that. You think I don't know that? I'm making an example. Anyway, also, Anyway, also, Facebook haunting me this weekend sent me a memory on my personal Facebook page saying, Heather, we care about you and the memories you share here. We thought you'd like to look back on this post for eight years ago. And this came on Saturday morning. Sorry, you guys. This was really hard. Because it was J-Lo's fourth wedding. Second ceremony to Ben Affleck, that happened this Saturday.

And the photo that Facebook sends me, like you think they don't know what's going on in her brains? They freaking do. They send me this memory from eight years ago, not a Saturday from seven years ago, not a memory from nine years ago, one from eight years ago that just happens to be J.Lo and I when we're hanging out. So yeah, you think that's not like crappy? You don't think that's not hurtful that we're not friends anymore like you know, it's like I

Get it anyway. No, I wasn't invited and Then I was wondering what was Leah Romney because they always talk about them being BFFs I don't I listen She wasn't there. I'm not starting a rumor that they had a riff that they're no longer friends But she was not there because I went to her Instagram and She didn't post anything about it not on stories not on the grid. There is no Well, you know what that maybe there is a way Maybe she's so scared

Like the way Jill Zerrin was scared that she posted about Teresa's wedding and they used all her photos like They used all the Jill's Aaron photos and she was like, why did I have to be the first one to post? Maybe she, maybe they can't post. Maybe they can't post because I'd be shocked if Leah Romney didn't go, but maybe she's also like filming a movie or something and it was also like, I'm good.

Now, Page Six was real thirsty. The girl working up Page Six was like, I mean, my God. I listened Page Six girl. You could have wrote about my TikTok about how I thought Bethany was keeping me shadow band. By the way, that wasn't joke. For all the people that got that I was joking, I was joking. I don't know if Bethany thought it was joke because she did block me from TikTok.

So Bethany, you probably don't like what I said about you today either, but like, you know, girl, I still enjoy you. Okay, so anyway, I guess I won't be able to enjoy you on TikTok anymore, Bethany, but I know she's got, don't don't block me from instagram because i still want to see you know which wet and wild gloss you like best okay so page six just desperate to write anything said

then aflex x-wife jennifer garner won't be attending his upcoming wedding to jennifer low-pez in georgia even though the three children will be. I mean, talk about grasping at straws page six. The comments were like, really? Did you expect her to go? Did you expect her to go? That would be so weird.

Mark Anthony wasn't there either. Neither was Casper. Neither was A. Rod. Neither was the dancing first husband or second husband. neither was the dancing first husband, or second husband, neither was the waiter first husband. None of them were invited, okay? So whatever, they had to write something. But the good news is, is that her look-alike daughter was, the adorable Jennifer Garner

look-alike who's been Affleck's oldest daughter, Violet. She was there in Georgia. So that was nice. She went. Then we saw some photos. They said everybody wear white, which is kind of becoming a new thing. Also I think when it's your fourth wedding, you're like, you know what? Just everyone wear white. Astatically, the photos look amazing.

It really, really looks good. And if you really know your J-Lo, it's not like you're ever going to be upstage. Because in the olden days, it was like only the bride wears white. And if you show up wearing white and you're just a guest or something or the mother of bride or the mother of the groom, you're wearing white like horrible unless you're told to wear white. All white wedding wedding parties were in in the late 90s I was in one so as a bridesmaid or wore a white dress that is coming back with all the party wears white but now the guests are when I went to Kim Kardashian second wedding they said wear white or black because aesthetically I think they thought that would

look better too that there isn't like prints and purples and pinks and then I was scared because I'm like, is this a trick? Do they really want me to wear white? But I did end up wearing a white dress. I thought it was the cutest one. And they were like, it was fine. I was still invited to parties for years after that. And then I wore a long red dress, the same year that Chris wore a long red dress to

a Chris's party and so did Caitlin. So the three of us were in long red dresses and that was the last time I was invited to party. So you do the math, you figure it out, anyway. Okay, I'm so looking at the it, I'm zooming in. I thought it was kind of an interesting choice. It's like kind of conservative at the top. We don't have any like up close photos, but the sleeves are kind of weird. It's like high up top and then like a short kind of flowy sleeve. So very different and then a super long train, but pure, pure white and everybody could work, but they could wear white like they could wear shorts and cubby boots.

The guys could wear golf shorts. Like it was not, it wasn't like black tie but wear white. It was what any, whatever kind of white gig, get up, you want to wear, you can wear. And then of course there was, oh, it was this guy Jay Shetty who's like a life coach podcaster. He's the one that did the ceremony. Again, JLo. I am an officiant. I married Chris Frenjola and his wife Liz, but I've never been asked to do it since. Whatever. I cried a lot, possibly made it about me.

They didn't seem to mind. Okay. We were all speaking of Chris Frenjola. People are very disturbed by the fact that they had a lot of live, laugh, love type of signage. White writing on brown wood. They went to home goods like right before and they wrote Jennifer and Ben, baby I love you.

Heart and soul was one of them. There was another love never fails. Love always protects. It always trusts. These were everywhere throughout this Georgian plantation. Oh, and a lot of people were like, really you got married at a Georgian plantation. But they also said they say couldn't have treated

the staff better. They treated the staff very, very nice. That I just read in El Magazine who who said there isn't that much juicy gossip I'm like why don't you just call it juicy scoop gossip. No, you can't because if you're right that it's trademarked Thanks, El Anyway, Casey Affleck younger brother They caught him getting Starbucks on Saturday Just as my notice came in about my memory from eight years ago. Casey Affleck was getting Starbucks.

And they caught up with them. Why aren't you at the wedding, Casey? And he's like, I have other things to do. Well, nobody knew why. What's the rift? Dendered up people are talking the girl at page six typing away. Anyway, or guy, anyway, his girlfriend wrote something under a post that he did about his son who obviously is not with the mother because he has a girlfriend. I don't think the girlfriend is the mother. I don't know. Anyway, the kid played soccer but also like Broke his arm. Maybe Broke his arm a while ago.

I don't know, but she'd be some comment about, of course, you have to be here. Who would watch your son and his broken arm or something like that? She sensed deleted that comment, but of course, somebody caught it. So I mean, who knows? It could be that he does have a custody situation with his child's mother and he literally didn't want to screw it up or ask her to switch weekends and he was just like, you know what, if you don't care, Ben, I'd rather just not go. And Ben could be like, no, I'm completely fine with you not attending.

I don't, I don't even want this wedding. Like, I thought we were good when we didn't Vegas. I was so happy she was down to do Vegas and then she sprung this on me and I'm like, fine, we can do it the Georgia mansion. Go to the soccer game, go get your Starbucks. I don't care, but just know but you're gonna get some shit for it

and Heather McDonald's UC scoop is probably gonna talk about it but hopefully she understands. And I'm like, I do, I do, okay? He just, he was just like, we're good. Now the girlfriend's probably was like, really? Really Casey? I'm free, okay? I'm free to go to J-Lost Wedding.

I have a cute white dress that isn't to revealing. It does not have a cap sleeve, like her wedding dress, and I'm pretty down to go. And he's like, oh, no, we're good. And then she's maybe too early in the relationship. So she's like, I'm not gonna push it. Like I'm not gonna be that girl. It's like, really?

You're not taking me to your brother's wedding. Anyway, he didn't attend. So there you go for the wedding news, you guys. Listen, what did I say when I talked about the love is blind couple that got married and then announced her divorce? I said, I wonder if there's another love is blind couple that was planning on announcing the divorce and now are like Shoot do we wait two months for miserable or do we do it now with the momentum?

Well, they did the only other couple that got married on season two of love is blind Danielle Rule H. R. U. H. L. she's a brunette, she married this blonde guy, she had like some insecurity issues. I don't even, I literally don't remember it even I watched every episode. They got married, they too are, they too announced her divorce. I don't know if they did a big long statement about protecting their privacy or whatever, but they're out. I'm telling you guys, next prediction,

these thirst traps are going to try to do Love Is Blind Round 2. Love Is Blind goes on tour. They are going to try to do something with this. And that is why when the other couple did it, they said, you know what, there's a little momentum now. Let's not wait two more months, even though Heather suggested that. I say, let's do it right now. Let's not wait two more months even though how they're suggested that. I say let's do it right now and let's all get back on the show going through it again and hopefully they'll be like another couple from

season one that breaks up and all of us can do it and it's like round two love is blind. Okay let's talk about real house was a Beverly Hills. I'm going to get, we get into this with Kimberly in a little, but some interesting things happened over the weekend. First of all, speaking of Erica, one thing we talk about in the interview coming up in a few minutes is about gifts and people who received money from Tom Gerardi, whether that might be a politician, who got donations, a charity that got donations, or in fact, gifts. So you remember when Erica went off and revealed on Instagram right around the time that she fell for divorce. That Tom had been having an affair with this female judge for many years and she shared

text messages that she found on his flip phone in which she was showing pictures of her ass this judge and saying that, you know, can get the plastic surgery daddy and all this kind of stuff. Anyway, via that judge's attorney, she is returning gifts that he gave her. She doesn't want them in her possession. And from what I understand, her attorney's like, so here we go.

Now, we don't know if any plastic surgery was done, where they can prove that it was paid with from money that was in an escrow count for the victims. But at least some of these items, whether they are paid from that or not, she has made the smart move to just be like, let me remove everything. Here's a necklace. Here's some lingerie. I mean, that'd be pretty embarrassing to like return your

lingerie. But who knows. I think anything of any real value that he gave her that's been that was a proven gift from him. She's just like, get it the hell out of my house. Please. So that happened, that's pretty juicy. Uh, Lisa Rena posted Aspen receipts, like as if they're actually like receipts in an envelope, and then wrote Silence Exculdin. We are now finally on the cusp of the episodes where the girls go to Aspen and something happens off camera and then they all go after Kathy Hilton.

It was the biggest highlight of Wednesday's episode was the homeless not toothless charity event in which Kathy Hilton said, look, I'm sorry, I'm getting it wrong. I've worked with the homeless. I've worked with the toothless. Remember when I told you about the famous pilot reality show episode that I saw that was on YouTube and then got removed, that was about the homeless. They were trying to help the homeless, she, Kathy and Kyle, that's what the reality show

was gonna be about. And the guy filming it was like heavy breathing. And it was a song that came, the song that came out was Beverly Hills. That's what I'm there making sandwiches and Kim Richards is going up to homeless, like a homeless woman asking if she could take her for a pedicure. And if you would like to learn how to work a computer it. If, if anybody has it in their possession, I'm telling you,

if you're a friend of the Hilton's, you need to destroy that stuff. And if you're not, can you send it to me again? I would just like to watch it. Anyway, we're going to see that. The Diana is coming after trying to defend herself because she's forgotten it with Sutton and it's very much like Sutton and Garcell are kind of up against the rest of the girls and she's defending herself in like tweets and posts and things and nobody cares about Diana. Nobody cares about her young baby daddy who's playing the piano and wearing a hat and like whatever. Nobody cares. And then all of a sudden she just happens to walk down the stairs and it's like he doesn't know that I'm here to him play. Really the cameras are all around. Really, Diana. I just, I

also saw something that she's got like the lowest approval rating. I mean, it's not like she's biting, but like the lowest rating of like people enjoying her as a new cast member if someone was to do a rating. I don't know how they would do that. But anyway, then some stuff went down with Lisa Vanderpump. Apparently, Teddy on her show said, you know, because Lisa Rennon was so awful in this episode, screaming and fighting and pointing. And it's to the fans a lot of people are pretty much like, this really was the acting job of a lifetime Lisa retta took this job and she was like I'm I know how to bring up drama I know how to act I can kind of create stuff and and fights I can cry

You know on cue I can do it. So let me do it. And I think she probably told Denise like hey, you should do it. So let me do it. And I think she probably told Denise, like, hey, you should do it. It's a great acting gig. You can just bring the drama when you have to, get angry, you can have fun, you can laugh. I don't know if that was the case, but I'm thinking, and that's also probably why Denise felt so betrayed.

Like, I thought we were just going to have fun and like occasionally, like, act dramatic with each other I didn't know you're gonna like tell the exposed to the world you know that like maybe a brandy finger and me or not like what the hell so anyway getting to this Teddy goes on and it's like yeah you know I don't know why the audience is acting this way or something because let's Lisa Rinna was really close to her mom and so she's acting like a horrible person. She's acting mean because her mom died. So we should cut her some slack.

By the way, I just saw a TikTok of Lisa being like, I don't at least run a saying, I don't know why people are freaking out about me this season. Maybe they're just too sensitive because I've been a lot meaner in previous sentence, previous seasons. I'm kind of like, why are you like relishing in this? I'm just being like so cruel and awful and vicious with like your words and, oh, there's so much that I sacked with Lisa Renna. So I don't know, I think she did, I think she went hardcore and then when she realized that it really came off that hardcore,

she's like, remember you guys, I wasn't myself because I lost my mother. Anyway, Teddy says, you know, Lisa Vanderpump lost her brother and we got a lot of heat from the fans that we weren't didn't show her that much grace. For a brother that none of us knew she even had, she had no relationship with him. Well, that didn't bode well for Teddy because people found a clip from the season where Lisa Vanderpump was mourning the loss of her brother and she's sitting across from Teddy and Teddy is saying, I know how close you were.

I know you've talked about him a lot. Definitely knew she had a brother prior to his passing. Then Teddy goes on a walk and it's talking to her phone and it's like, well, it's back. The death threats. I wake up to death threats. And I'm like, well, you woke up to death threats because you woke up and you looked at your phone. And I'm sorry, I told you guys, these death threats that people get from like robots. I mean I had the Selena Gomez Wasn't it Selena who came after me? I had those robots. I had all the little emojis with a snake and a rat

You know like a mafia like you're a rat, you know or whatever Little cement blocks like they're gonna throw me over. I never for one time really thought like my life's in danger. Okay, so yeah, if somebody's writing something mean to you, like come on, you really, are you gonna get the LAPD involved really? We're in like a crisis of crime. You think they're gonna like go showing up at Teddy Melon Camp's $7 million house

and be like show me the dm show me the dm of the woman from the midwest that says that you should die like really so anyway i think she regrets what she said on her show leesa vander punk got to be dragged into this this weekend when she should be celebrating the fact that she nishay is getting married for the second time. And she finally wrote like it's all good, like just leave me alone was like the last thing she wrote.

So there you go with that. In real housewife of Atlanta, I just thought this was cute. Marlowe dressed up like the Colonel Sanders of KFC of KFC. And then she and Kenny did not have a great time in Jamaica together. And then at the end, they, she got some KFC chicken from the Jamaican airport, which supposedly is more delicious there. It tastes different than it tastes everywhere else. And then Kenny went over and was like, can I have a piece of chicken? And so they made up. And it was kind of beautiful. And I was like, I definitely think

it was not lost on the producers when they saw her show up in this interview outfit and they're like, oh wait, let's also ask you about the Kentucky Fried Chicken in Jamaica and then she was dressed like the Colonel Sanders. So there you go. The Real House of the Dubai Girls are having their reunion and they showed their dresses and they're all super glam except for Caroline Stansbury who was originally on London. She's wearing just like a shirt dress. I mean, I didn't really cover that much, you guys. I just feel like Caroline Stambert, Barry is miserable.

She doesn't really like her husband that much because he doesn I just feel like Caroline Stambert, Barry is miserable. She doesn't really like her husband that much because he doesn't know how pregnancy works. He thinks that you can take the baby halfway out if it's not cooking right and put it into another stomach. So we saw that on the show and that's pretty much all you need to know. And it's just I couldn't get that into it. So good luck with the reunion people. Oh, speaking of Pastor Mary. Do they call women pastors? Anyway, remember Mary Crosby, there were those from real house subs of Salt Lake and there were those tapes where she was berating her congregation that they are cheap and they

didn't give her enough Christmas birthday cards. We mean like donations for her birthday and it's pretty appalling and the audio was out there. Well, a similar thing happened the Guardian is reporting a in Missouri, a pastor called a congregation cheap for not buying him a luxury watch. And he was, he all got out there, the thing went viral, him being like, I can't believe it, the birthdays coming gone, and you're so cheap that you did not get me the Mavata Watch.

That's available at Sam's Club. I know some of you guys have memberships there. Really? You couldn't give me, he says this. You couldn't give me your McDonald's money. You couldn't give me your Walmart money. You couldn't contribute the money to get me this watch. Really?

Anyway, he says, said, I'm sorry. I cannot believe that if you were sitting in the parish, maybe you're so used to the abuse or whatever that you were like, oh my god, I do feel bad like that. I didn't get him this watch. And then you see the TikTok go viral and you see everyone's, and then you're like, wait, you're right. This is really weird. Shocking. Good news, you guys. And just like that, John Corpette is to return as Aiden Shaw in season two.

I'm very, very happy about this. I really, I mean, I think he's hot. I believe his hair is still short. I didn't like it when it was long, and when he wore the turquoise rings, and it was a little bit he wore like the turquoise rings and was like a little bit heavier, then he got all like cute and then she still cheated on him and dumped him.

And oh no, no, she dumped him when, who cares? I mean, we all know what happened to show. So anyway, last we saw him was in the second Sex and City movie where they meet in Abu Dhabi at the market and She's wearing that big dress and she's like $20 for shoes She's wearing up a big tool skirt and a deor shirt to shop at the to buy spices You know Miranda's like I'm gonna get worse by and

and she sees Aiden and then he comes to pick her up and instead of her hugging him, she puts her arms, and he picks her up with her arms down by her legs. It was so weird. Anyway, they make out and I really wanted them to fully bone, but they didn't. Now, in there, in that, he had three kids and a wife. So, this is my prediction. They meet up somewhere and he is separated, living separately, but not divorced and but going through the divorce. And Charlotte's like, I know you're seeing Aiden,

but I mean, he's not officially divorced. And she's like, at Charlotte, I don't think you're officially divorced from the Scotsman when your attorney, Harry, was getting all up in there. Oh, you're right. So they start getting it on, hernated. And it's hot and it's exciting,

but still the podcast guy is still kind of lurking around. And, you know, I thought we were gonna date and she's like, oh my God. And then at one point, he's like, I don't think you should meet the boys. I don't think you should meet the boys. I don't think you should meet the boys just yet, but she accidentally somehow meets them. And they're now teenagers, Aiden's boys.

And it's a football almost goes by her head. She's like, I'm not gonna be Marsha Brady, with it hitting her nose. She, they're dirty, they're smelly. Like, and then Miranda can relate, because she's had to pick up Brady's condoms everywhere. She kind of reacts weird and he's like, I need you to like Pete, but really, you don't like my three sons? They have a weird moment, and then she is like finds out that he's still talking to his wife. They break up anyway and we find out at the end of the season somewhere that he is trying to

reconcile with the wife. Okay, that's fine prediction. Mark this day down Annie for when we watch the season. Let's see how correct I am. Okay. Update on sorority life. They Annie who went to Mississippi who was a Capacapa gamma is getting people sending or stuff all the time. Okay. There's signs all over the houses sorority houses. No audio or video recording allowed. Fime move, there's signs all over the house's sorority houses, no audio or video recording allowed. Phi Mu, that's one of the big house there, is permitted to make recordings for promotional purposes and but nobody in there. Now, we still don't know,

because the articles that I've seen that in fact, that this documentary for HBO for hpl max about alibama rush is happening they're saying it's happening but we don't really really know how much information they got if they're just reporting it from i think they probably got a little and just like you know these hulu docks that did uh... erica jane and

and gencha i think they'll just get people that are aware of sorority life in general. They'll be all the talking heads. They'll find a couple people that aren't related to Bama Rush, but that had an awful experience or had a great experience. Then they'll just use a little bit that they had from Bama Rush to like catapult the documentary which really will be all about sorority life in general from the 1800s to the ups and when it went in when it was really in style when it went out of style in the late 60s when it went back in style in the 80s because of Reagan when it went out of styles and the 90s because of Clinton and the way it is now. Okay, another prediction of what that documentary will be like.

That's what it'll be. Also, USC had some juicy scoop happening this weekend. And so I went and found my album. Also, I'm trying to do that dirt bag thing. And we have to work on that. The teenage dirt bag trend on TikTok. Though, like, I don't have that many pictures of where I'm like, like, laying on a ground puking. Most of them are me and like a debutant ball gown or studying. Okay, so good luck with that. Okay, anyway, I found this thing about,

oh, do you remember when USC was fun and I posted it? And then some people were like, we're sick of hearing about your sorority stuff. Find something else to post on your Instagram page. I'm like, God bitch, anyway. This is what's happening at USC. They, the fraternities, there's like 13 or 14 fraternities and 10 of them have decided to like disassociate

from the USC Interfaternal Council. They can, I guess guess still keep their houses but now they won't have to abide by all the rules and i don't really know what they're miss what they're missing out by doing this except u.s.c. goes well you can't wear a anything that says like u.s.c. and sigma kai on it together okay uh... i wish i could like talk to a kid from there usc and sigma chi on it together. Okay. I wish I could like talk to a kid from there why they decided a lot of the houses

that have never been in trouble. A lot of these fraternities that have never been in trouble, never been accused of anything. They also decided we wanna remove ourselves from it too because we didn't have any fun. Like we didn't have any fun for the last couple of years. There's probably been COVID. Then there were all these have any fun for the last couple of years. There's probably in COVID. Then there were all these restrictions.

We only have a couple of years left here or one year left. And we want to have a fun year. We want to have parties. And we've gone through all these other things we've done. We've hired our own security. We have sober rooms. We have people in hallways making sure that nothing's happening.

We have this other section of someone thinks they're of doing drugs. There's a place to test it. Like they did all these things. and hallways making sure that nothing's happening. We have this other section of someone thinks they're of doing or doing drugs. There's a place to test it. Like they did all these things and then still the school was like, no, you can't have any parties for this many months. No, now it's been extended to this many months.

That's what happened last year. That's what I read in the LA Times. And so then they all got together and they're like, now are sorority girls really gonna be like, we don't think we wanna go to that party, hell no. So it's USC who's freaking out. It's USC who's like shoot, maybe we did put a little too much restrictions on it.

And now we have no control at all. So it's pretty juicy. And but I definitely was a lot more fun when I was there. We had a lot more fun, but at least you can watch TikToks of people's fancy dorm rooms while you're sitting in your sad dorm room, not having any fun in college. One of the things I notice with these dorm rooms things

that I've seen people posting, and some of them are from these big sorority houses in the south, but they're the dorm room, so they're not even in the sororities. But even women I know that are like my friends have moved their daughters into their dorm rooms. It looks so gorgeous. I mean, I don't even know.

All I remembered when I went was just bring your bedding and I Went and got my bedding and that was it. I didn't know to like hang things my mom literally Like she didn't even make the bed. They they were like well Bye, and then they went to Gladstone's and my dad said oh your mother cried the whole way to Gladstone's I'm like well she could have helped me make my bed. Like, I had no decorations, nothing. I have never been more happy to be a boy, a boy mom today. Because I tried to tell Drake, can I please buy you some things? I wasn't gonna buy them the headborn and a couch and,

you know, I mean dressing tables, matching lamps, there's actual decorators that do this. They probably also do balloon art for parties and pillows on the beach to eat and they probably also do Shark cootery boards, okay? These are all the same people that do this. They're really talented I have none of these jeans in my body and I'm just like thank God. I Drake literally would not let me buy him anything He got there and he spent an entire year without any light. He didn't even have a lamp. And then he wondered why he hated the dors. I'm like, what? I mean,

God, look at these girls. Look what they have. Anyway, I think it must be stressful for moms and daughters that do not have the bank account, do not have the style for this. Don't even know how to go about it, or maybe they're not, they don't know their dormit anyway. And then to have to see it all on Instagram, you wouldn't know about it otherwise. I didn't know how cute everybody else's dorm room was. Unless I actually walked in and it was like, oh shit, that's a lot cooler than mine. I didn't have to see all different kinds of them. I'm like, mom, why didn't you go to a furniture store

instead of going to Gladstone's? Anyway, I survived, you will too. All right, before I bring out Kimberly Archie, I just remember one more juicy thing about Real Housewives of OC. As you know, Tamara has returned. And Vicki is her friend, but of course, she would have loved to have been asked first or with her,

but certainly she wasn't happy she wasn't invited at all. And she did an interview and she said, well, I don't know why they didn't pick me. I don't know why they picked Tamara over me. Maybe because Tamara likes to show her tits. I don't, I don't do that. And I'm like, really, Vicki, that's what you're going to throw out there. You think that a bunch of people sat around at Bravo and was like, you know what, we should bring back either Tamra or Vicki from Bravo.

We can't bring them both back. Well, I vote for Tamra. Why? Because she's 54 or five and she's willing to show her tits and i just think that's what the women at home who watch this really turn their tbe on for it's seeing other women their age uh... jumping in a pool drunk showing their tits that's why they watch the show

so if it's not going to show her tits we've got to go with camera alright call her up i mean come on. Are you serious, Vicki? And then of course, she's like, I was just sad. I would have been fun to do it together. But of course, I'm happy for her.

We know, listen, we know you weren't thrilled. We know, Vicki, if right now, Tamra called you up and said, Vicki, I just couldn't take it. It's so unfun without you I had to quit. Do you really think Vicki would be like, Tamara, stop it, you're crazy. Get that paycheck and have fun and show your tips. No, Vicki would be like, well, I told you it wouldn't be fun

without me. We're gonna do this! That's what would happen. Okay, now for my interview with Kimberly Archie, let's get into it. Now I can say it all again. Yeah. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.

I return guest, Kimberly Archie. Welcome back. Here are a girl that knows everything about Erica Jane, Tom Gerardi, the lawsuits, what's happening now. Of course, you're on the Hulu dock, and now you're a famous person from Juicy Scoop, Congrats. Yeah. Whoo, I put it on my resume. Oh my God. Well, let's a little bit just talk about Real House as Beverly Hills this season because you said you are watching it. And you're watching it with your best friend, Kathy, who is the mother of Joe, who we saw in the doc, who is explain where they are in the lawsuits and everything, just to catch

people up. Well, the Rigoma's family is really the victims of Tom who were the first ones ever to really be able to stop him from stealing their money. And so they got a $12 million judgment from Tom and that's sort of set off the whole like ricochet of events. That's how you had like Erica divorced them after that because they kept serving her to be Deposed in that case and then once she filed for divorce then you had Edelsen Jumped in with the lawsuit out there because that's the Chicago the Chicago case right the lion error case the widows and orphans of course everybody At least luckily, you know seems to remember them often in discussing like the

fans often remember the line of victims, which is nice to see. And so then that happened, and then you had the bankruptcy, which I was one of the creditors that filed against Tom into involuntary bankruptcy. Okay, so we're caught up on that now. You have some juicy scoop from the deposition. So let's talk about that and explain what this deposition is about and when it happened. You know, I was thinking about how everyone keeps talking about like how, oh, there's been no crime or we don't know or it's alleged.

So you know, I was rereading Tom's deposition transcripts from the Ragoom as his case in his debtors exam. And you know of course we saw in the Hulu doc the one clip where he says oh I had 50 80 million bucks or whatever now it's all gone. So I just want to point that out again because yes, there has not been any criminal charges because Tom is saying as Alzheimer's, some psychiatrist in Orange County is signing off on that. So we haven't seen any investigation from a criminal perspective of Tom yet. However, fans, journalists, everybody should realize that Tom has admitted to stealing

the victim's money. And not just the regumas has been proven, but the lionaire. Victims has a proven case that their money was stolen $2 million. Another woman named Judy Salberg, and then also Josie Hernandez, who was also in the Hulu Doc. All of those cases are proven. So people want to go on to talk about allegations and the decades that he's been accused of doing this.

Okay, that's perhaps fair, although probably doesn't feel good to the people that know they caught their money stolen and haven't been able to prove it yet. But he has admitted to stealing the money. So it's not alleged. We need to stop saying it's alleged. And this came up because of Erica talking on the show

and saying how, oh, we don't really know if the victims lost their money. Well, that's weird because the same day she said that on the show, the California bar, took Tom's license because of those cases that I just mentioned. They were all listed, the Judy Salberg, the Lion Air Victims, Josie Hernandez. They're all in the document saying,

these are cases of example of why Tom should not have a law license. So it's not alleged, it's admitted. So we give it, you know, the Erica, how in a platform to push Tom's narrative is just to make my blood boil because, and my phone blows up from victims, you know, all upset hearing her talk about them, you know, just seeing their watching the show, when they're watching Beverly Hills. Yeah, most of the victims are watching, you know, you know, it's kind of like a train wreck,

like you don't want to watch, but you feel like you feel compelled that you have to. I mean, that's really how I started watching the season. I had never seen like a whole episode or anything until I watched that episode for Hulu. Yeah. And, you know, I watched it here and there last season, but this season's been different because, you know, for Her, for Erica to return on another season of the show and be paid another exorbitant amount of money. And then her narrative is that she's drunk and having sex and the victims are liars. Yeah. Well, you know, I've gotten a lot of good D.

Let me tell you, baby. Yeah, really, honestly. Oh, and also I just want to point out that now, she is actually, she's a 25 year old influencer making a great cocktail. This is how I make an old fashion. I mean, I'm so I just want to just so they were going to get back to your stuff. Is this like new? Yeah, I just know I just haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. I mean, she's got to do it. She's got to join OnlyFans. She's got to do this. Oh right. She joined OnlyFans.

I mean, you know, none of the victims are holding her back from having sex or, you know, being human or anything. But, you know, it still is disgusting that we've yet to see her have any sort of kindness or anything towards the people who suffered. She still thinks she's the biggest victim of Tom Durarty instead of his accomplice. And that's quite an interesting narrative for somebody who benefited to the degree that she did from the money that he stole. It's stolen money. Right. So let's get into some of the things that you just read me from the depot because that was pretty interesting. You know, so of course there's only certain documents and things that are out there in the public or on websites or have been tweeted out by one of our great friends, Ron Richards. I'll let you say his name.

Yeah, who's no longer a special counsel. But yeah, you know, so in this deposition, we're a lot of things that, you know, are very telling about, you know, who's who, like for example, there's one part where they asked Tom straight out this is. And this is in 2020, this was taken place. Right, this is in October 2020. So now she's

been on the show for a few years. We've seen her live her life. And this is now coming. And this is like a month before she files for a divorce or like two months. You know, you're talking about very soon, you know, time period from when he sits for this debtors exam and when she leaves them. So they ask him about the planes and ask him directly, does Erica have access to, is she allowed to use the planes for her own use? He flat out says no. That's not what's on the show. And it's not how she portrays,

but when he's under oath, he's saying like, yeah, I mean, these are my plates. She rides with me, but they're not for her use. That's hilarious because isn't she on the show? Like, we have two planes and one can jump across the US and the other one you don't need gas to go to Europe. We're fabulous. What are we?

I can't do voice. Oh, right. I know, but I remember, you know, we see, I can't remember when, but the, I know, but I remember, you know, we see, I can't remember when, but you know, the girls get on the plane for something and the bravo people film it. I remember we saw it. And so, Patty, so if you said, yes, she does and she has used it and you know, there might be a trip or two that there's visual evidence of from real half sense of Beverly

Hills, how would that have hurt him if he had said that? Well, if he was writing off the planes, that's 100% expenses for his business or for pretty master, whatever even. Like, but Tom owned the plane with another attorney. So for a long time, the planes were owned in a corporation with him in Walter Lack. Now in 2018, him in Walter Lack sort of had a separations of sorts, at least with the planes anyway.

And then he put it into a corporation with another guy named Edelman. So that's who sort of has control of them now. Edelman does. Right. Even though Edelman is suing him, no, that's Edelson. Oh, this is confusing. Edelman, yeah, yeah, I know lawyers like, yeah, there's a lot of lawsuits. Sutton, there's a lot which one getting in line. I mean, that was a great seat. I mean, you know, the whole drawn out thing about Sutton being the liability. Yes. Rather than it being Erica and then Erica like hissing at her that I told you to shut up. No, you told her to keep her mouth shut because you didn't want to have any lash back. You weren't telling her to be quiet to protect anyone. Like, if she,

like, for example, you know, Ruth made off. Yeah. You just really never heard from her again. Like, she moved to Florida, lived with her sister for a couple of years, kept her mouth shut, then eventually she moved to Connecticut, lived in one of her sons' houses. Just a reminder, Ruth made off is a made off the Ponzi scheme guy. What was his name? What was his first name? Bernie made off. Bernie made off, yes.

He just passed away not that long ago. Right. So interestingly, you know, and that's juicy story and said one of the sons actually committed suicide, which it seemed very much that it was a circumstantial suicide. So he just asked me the other day. which it seemed very much that it was a circumstantial suicide. So maybe just ask me the other day, had anybody who worked at Jury Keesas, anybody committed suicide yet?

And I was like, oh my god, you know, I was like, no, no. I mean, there was an attorney that had a heart attack as all this was like imploding, sitting in his desk at work, which was really sad for, I mean, he had a young wife and kid, I mean, he wasn't that old, he was, oh he passed, he passed away. He passed away. He had a heart attack and passed away, yeah, so,

oh wow, obviously we don't know if the stress was related to it or not, but it does make you wonder. You know, these kinds of things are really serious, that's why it's so shocking. We saw in the LA Times article just recently, well, they had a couple. And, you know, when you see it said, this is the largest legal scandal in California history.

California is the fifth largest economy in the world. It could be its own country. This is the biggest legal scandal in the world. It could be its own country. This is the biggest legal scandal in California history. It's kind of a big deal. Yeah. I don't think even now, and it's been, you know, over a year, year and a half since the bankruptcy, that we even have begun to understand the number of people that Tom harmed and the people who helped him. I mean, that's the big question from all the victims right now.

Like what about all the people who helped him? What about them? Not just Erica. And the victims really aren't concerned about Erica being like the person who stole their money because they don't see it that way or at least the ones that talk to me. It's more about how she benefited from it and that she's so brassy about it. And it's hard when you're sitting in your house that needs repairs and your money was stolen and you're watching her. Right. And I mean, that's tough. I mean, according to her though, if you're going to be like, you know,

it's, I don't have anything. She said that in one of the confessional. She's like, do you think I want this life? You know, do you think, you know, this life sucks or whatever she said? You know, she's like, my house sucks, but, you know, I'm no longer married, I don't longer have my house,

I don't no longer have my life. Like, you know, so my, so she's, in like, her defense, if you're going to be like pro-Aerica, okay, from a different standpoint. She, you know, her house is still nice and she's on a show, but she's basically, you know, presenting that she's like kind of starting over and just living off of her. All of us that were around the world. Oh, I agree.

Yeah, I'm not agree. You've not alone in that either. So when you say who else helped and benefited besides Erica, Erica benefited, but who helped pull off this scam? Do you mean the other attorneys at Gerardi and Keese? It could be, I mean, who signed,

you know, who could sign on the accounts? You know, what about these private judges that were involved in a lot of these settlements and strange deals that we're hearing about? I mean, we had our own character in Cathy's case that was used over and over again to make it seem like he was, you know, keeping a hold on Joe's money or something or that he was, you know, helping Tom protect Joe or whatever. So that was the whole thing like, we don't wanna give you all the money right now

because we don't want you to be taking advantage of. We're gonna invest it for you. That's how they kept you, Kathy Anderson originally collecting the amount once it was said you have won this amount right they won 12 and they did a lot of fun yeah so you know to have somebody like Tom see even somebody like me who's close to him I never thought Tom made his crazy money, meaning, you know, being a person of wealth to have private planes, you really got to be,

to quote my brother, a billionaire, not a millionaire, you know, a billionaire with a B, you know, not a little M, because you can't afford to keep the cost of it to maintain it, to fly it, to deal with all the crew. It's, and if it's not an expense for a company, it's just a ton of money that you're literally just throwing out the window. And so, it was always a tell-tell sign to me that if Tom had planes, then he must have

invested this money and Made us money investing the you know, so let's say he got a million from a lawsuit and he turned it into 10 Right and this is the impression that he gave you he was always talking about oh I met with so and so so and so Oh, I'm doing this. I'm invested in that. Oh, you know, I'm dealing with this casino Overdoing this idea this casino. Oh, we're doing this idea, this patent. So you're not thinking he made us money just from on, just from the interest stream. Yeah, but now you wonder how much of it was ever invested

in, you know, was he this great business guy that he made people out to believe his partner thought it too. Everyone did. Right. Not just the Rago M Bergomeuses, everyone around Tom thought that he was this brilliant business guy who had made money in the legal profession

and had a Rolex mile wide, which for people don't know what a Rolex is. That would be your iPhone. Yeah, the context section of your iPhone, Tom's in his 80s. He had a flip phone. Remember, so he didn't have he had a roll it X in a flip phone. He had an iPhone with a context, you know, and it so anyway, but yeah, so we didn't think that his money really came from that. So that was one of the shocking things that came out of all this is that a lot of the money that they had was stolen.

And we don't know all of the victims going back. I mean, Kathy's got an Excel spreadsheet, a mile long of all the lawsuits over the years. Most of them disappeared or had settlements or they were thrown out because they were times barred. Most of the time it took people longer than the statute of limitations to figure out that Tom had taken their money or to think that he was a bad guy enough to try to do anything about it. So, they would go to court and eventually they would throw it out and say, well, you didn't file it in the right time period.

They didn't say nothing wrong was done. Now, I'm just kind of curious in all these other cases that are not, you know, maybe not at the 11 million mark that the regomas are. So I'm just wondering, was it kind of like, okay, I'm part of this lawsuit and i heard uh... whatever they say you i got you guys two million dollars i'm just saying so he goes well here's eight hundred thousand and the rest is coming later so you're like very happy to get that eight hundred thousand and then you're

like well where's where's the money and then and then you're like where's money with and then time passes or maybe he throws you another hundred or something. And you're still like, but wait a minute, I still, and now so many years have passed. And then maybe he'll go, well, here, here's another 50,000, and it's done. And now they can't afford the truth. And they're like, or maybe even in their head, they're like, well, I guess I'm still lucky to have gotten the 800. I mean, like almost, I almost wonder if like in doing this thing,

if he was conscious of it, to be like, if you're my client, I'd be like, he was conscious and entitled, you know, one of the things that he would say to clients and he said it to Kathy, Rago, as he would say it to other folks too, like, Josie Hernandez really had similar communications with Tom. You know, I did a great job for you. I mean, I did the most amazing job. And he, this is, I think, the worst part of it all is he did do an amazing job on the

legal side of it, getting this insane settlement. You know, what most people sort of miss in all of this is that our court systems have not been working for the everyday person for decades. The average person can afford a bankruptcy, a divorce. How are you bankrupt but you can't afford to pay a lawyer to do the bankruptcy? That's the typical person. If they need to get divorced divorced they can't afford that and if they get injured they get thrown into The personal injury, you know, I call it the dr. D. Catherine will now

I mean, you know you're thrown into this thing of contingency fee lawyers and who do you pick and if you have a good case They're all coming after you if you have a not so good case or something new, nobody wants it. I'm wondering if the way he kind of got away with it all these years and what I meant like he was consciously doing that is if he gave the client a little lower expectation of what we might get. I'm just just hypothetically. So like you come to me and you're like, I mean, this is awful that would happen to me in this accident. And he's like, Kimberly, I really think we can get you $1.5 million. And to you, you're like, wow, that sounds really great. They'd

never promise anything, really. Okay. Oh, you don't promise amounts. Okay, but if anything, but you're in the right direction. Wait, I'm just gonna wait, let me finish. So then I'm thinking like, okay, if that's the case or something, or they somehow say, well, for this person, we got them 1.5. Let's say we have all those on the website.

We have a similar thing. Yeah, right, exactly. Like you see those commercial lines? I advertise. Larry H. Parker got me whatever that cut. Yeah. So you're like, okay, for this kind of crash and this kind of injury and because it was a big trucking company

that hit me or whatever, you see that and you're thinking, well, hopefully I'll get 1.5. He does such a good job. He gets you 8 million. So now you know you have 8 million, but then he piece meals it to you. And by the time you've only collected three of the eight, he's keeping the five. And then for all those same reasons, now you're saying, but in your mind, now you've got

way more than you're, you're exactly right. That's why I'm saying that. Yeah. Maybe some people didn't totally go after him. No, because when I'm still like pleasantly, that's why he, I feel like he doled it out to people to see how much he could keep. He would test it. How much are they gonna push back? What are they gonna do? Who are these people? And the other thing that I've thought about a lot too

along these same lines is like, you know how he was often known for helping, you know, not somebody that had a lot of means, or maybe they really just had no idea what to do. They didn't have the education or connections or any kind of connection. So he was known for taking those kind of cases. All of those sounds like a predator doesn't it? Yes.

So he picked people that he knew were the little guy, the real David and Goliath. David who could never go against him if that were to ever happen. And that's why I always say that, you know, he really blew it when he thought that Kathy Rigomas was one of those people because she's not. In simple terms, she got the ball rolling. Like in very simple terms.

And didn't let it ever stop. Every time they tried to stop it, she kept pushing and kept pushing and kept pushing. And I think she'll continue to push, not just for herself, but for the overall justice for everybody, for the system to be better. Because that's really what all this is alluding to. Like who let Tom do this?

What entities, what organizations, what partners, what politicians, what politicians, yeah, what governors. If you look at the Burney Madoff thing, the politicians had to pay that money back. The banks that were in bed with Madoff, they had to pay money back to victims. Now, so Burney Madoff's bankruptcy was in 2009. So if you look at what's going on now, 85% of those millions of dollars that were stolen from victims have been returned to them.

Where did they find it? They went after, they took back the politician donations, they went to the banks. I mean, they have left no stone unturned. And so I say to people, if we look at the burning made off bankruptcy and what happened in that, we can really see the future

of, you know, Erica and Tom Gerardi's mass because it's very similar. I mean, this was a true Ponzi scheme involving investments. Tom's was very quite similar. You were promising people things and taking more than your share and making up a fantasy about part of it.

And you know, got away with it until you were in your older years and then, you know, it all implodes. I mean, you got to wonder like, he made it through his entire lifetime, being able to do pretty much whatever he wanted the toast of the town Mary young women and cheating on even her he could be fun Yeah, I mean if he was your friend and liked you and wanted to do nice things for you and Was it doing something harmful to you? You know you were thinking he was charming and connected and fun.

And I mean, I know people that were very good family friends in which he did help certain children in their family with getting into law school or offering to and things like that and helping out of jams and in another state and that type of stuff because he was so well connected. Let's just talk a little bit about the episode that aired last the other night and the attack on Sutton. So Sutton goes to say, you know, you call me a liability as a friend.

Who's the liability? You're the liability in the friend circle with all the lawsuits. And so then Sutton says, I got a letter from a lawyer. And now I have to hire a lawyer, which is smart, she should. And then Erica said, that's because of what you said in the reunion. You said you heard a rumor. What did you say?

Are you talking about the rumor from the old show where they were saying the partner left the firm? For a friend, yes. Well, that's true, though. Right. That's true. It's not a rumor. The partner left the,

not only did a partner leave, a ton of people left. If you ask victims, like one of the victims that left probably like a year before, everything imploded was because they had had like eight lawyers or whatever, because every lawyer assigned to their case kept leaving. You know, it went from like 50, 60 lawyers down to only, you know, so many people left there.

So, you know, to act like it was ridiculous. Right, yeah. It's 100% true. So what do you think the attorney is hoping to get out of Sutton? And why do you think they did only reach out to Sutton and not the other people? My opinion about that, let her, I mean,

what would Sutton have to offer right now at this point? Why did he, you know, maybe he thought she was the one who would cooperate the most, but I would assume it's Edelsen from Chicago. And I mean, you know, to me it was a PR thing to get on the show. I mean, he probably hoped they're gonna say his law firm's name. I mean, how cool would that? It's like a free commercial. Like, you're talking about lawyers. Like, they're off billboards. I mean, they're commercial terms. Sweet James. Yeah, yeah, it's like a sweet James kind of deal.

Yeah, exactly. So, and here's the thing. And maybe he would get a witness that would give him some info. Like, was he digging for some? I mean, yeah. Yeah. Is it Sutton's responsibility or fault? Or, oh, she should have been quiet.

No, it's a hundred. Sutton is 100% correct. Erica's the lia, not only is no. It's a hundred, Sutton is a hundred percent correct. Erica's the li- not only is she the liability what she called Sutton, but she's also the liar what she called Garcell. Right. So she's just projecting everyone, you know, psychology 101, we can all see it.

Like if you call someone else that, it makes it harder when you're called that because it looks like someone's retaliating or saying, you know, you're a liar to Erica. I thought it was just, so she's playing offense. I thought it was a pretty disturbing episode. How vicious Lisa Rina has gotten towards Sutton like she fucking hates Sutton and Marcel. But hates them. And I'm like, is it over the Elton John thing? Like, I'm still confused about like why they're still, I mean, I love Elton John so much, he's the best. But, and so I can see why he can obsessively think

about him all the time. I was watching him get used. I was getting, watching again last night. Isn't it from last season? There was one point where she goes, and first of all, I don't understand why Garcell is getting the venom from Lisa Ren at what? They, she didn't say anything about the Elton John maybe because she

Told Sutton to bring it up. I'm like, I don't know cuz at one point she screams at the toothless not homeless or the homeless not toothless But she's like and she's like I'll say what the fuck I want and she's screaming and the Two charity girls are like you see the two faces of the charity girls. Yeah, the two girls are like, I love them. Yeah, I thought they're like queens. Like the whole memes they should have put crowns on them because they're like, what the fuck is happening? And they're not saying anything though. They're so polite. They're sitting there. I think one of them even kept her mouth closed, which I don't know how I would have been basically what I've read from today because we're recording this the

day after air and on Thursday is people are are thinking that Kyle and Rina are way too much producing the show and trying to be the stars and that Rina is just being a horrible person and and blaming it on Lois's death. I believe Erica though I mean for whatever reason, whatever the case may be, and I heard one of some bravo bloggers say, like, you know, we have to do this. We have to be impartial and wait until we see more information and we see like criminal charges or whatever.

OK, but there is moral issues and there are criminal issues. And perhaps, you know, both matter. Yeah. You know? So we don't need for someone to go to jail to say like, this is obnoxious, ridiculous behavior. I mean, the premise of the show, and you guys can tell, you know, obviously I'm not an expert or what not,

otherwise, is there supposed to be friends, right? Right. So me and Kathy are watching it together like, next month we'll be friends 50 years. Yeah. We're like, friends don't act like that. You wouldn't do that to your friend. So friends are even the so-called fierce five or whatever. Yeah, the fat, well, it's the fierce five. I don't know if it's the Force Five. Oh, is it the Five? A five or whatever. Yeah, the fat. Well, it's it's a it's a dream. I don't I don't know if it's the force five. Oh, the five a five or four. It's way it's caught. It's Kyle.

Rina. Erica. Doree. I think it's just the four. Oh, maybe they had a fifth and then season. No, yeah, and then the other side is going to be Kathy and Garsell Sutton and Crystal. Yeah. And so with, you know, and it was interesting because I noticed in the episode they were kind of like hinting of sort of setting up what's finally we're going to see or hear about with what happens in Aspen. We're supposedly Kathy said something because all of a sudden she comes over to Garcell and this conversation, maybe it was a weird edit, appears to have come out of nowhere, wasn't a good edit, because she's like, you know, I was with, you know,

Rick, her husband, and you know, he's been married, we've been married for so long, because he was a good Catholic boy and he went to Catholic school. I'm like, what is this? And then she's like, I need to say, you know, I could say the wrong thing or something and be canceled forever. And I was like, that's a weird foreshadowing that they just did because the rumor is that she uses derogatory terms that we're not caught on camera, but all the, but the fab five or whatever, the fourth five will, will, will back it. But meanwhile, they're harassing ourself from mentioning Erica's drinking

with her medications out of control. Yeah. But they're ganging up on crystal for having an eating disorder. And even when she was apologizing and she was like, I didn't like what just happened here, son, I didn't like it. I took it out on you and Sutton was being nice

and was like, it's fine. You can take it out on me And then she's like, it's not about you Sutton. I was like, oh my god. You're just like you literally Sutton could not win Like they're just I don't put it in Sutton like single and very strong and has money Yeah, and it seems very state, you know, stable and she seems also to be, you know, really looking into you know, the legal aspects of things and her interest in the law has sort of made her stern sometimes when they probably would prefer her to be more fun or silly or let them just skate over stuff and she's been kind of like, oh, no, no, no. Her anchor sell do that.

And I think that's why they get, you know, so let's push back. And the love from the audience. They're not real, real like long time friends. I mean, some of them that come on these shows have had some kind of pass long connections. So you see a little bit more real chemistry on camera. You know, what was the lawsuit that was where Erica was served coming out of LAX after

coming back from Hawaii with Lisa. That was Edelsen's lawsuit from Chicago. Or well, he's now filed it here. So he filed the Rico case here in California. And so they had to serve her for the new filing. And if you were to guess, you think it's that case in which they were calling in the sun. It was confirmed, but no, that they're calling

and setting to a third party witness. I mean, I would say so because of the fact that they showed the headline from Chicago when they were talking about it, but we could be assuming from that. I don't know who else it could be. But, you know, like we said, it could have been, it's either Edelson or Ronald Richards. I mean, it's not really going to be anyone else.

You know, most people like in the Rorghoma's case, they did subpoenaerica to do part of the debtor's exam. Same thing, you know, it's Tom because of the finances. It's a community property state. But they didn't sue Erica. They weren't chasing any headlines or anything. They just wanted to stop Tom. So when you see people go after Erica, and you know, we expect the IRS to do that, but I often when I see people include her, wonder, you know, will she have assets to pay anything back for one, but it's already a

community property state, you know, do they add her in just for headlines? Right. And then she says, she does talk about her love life. So she talks about she's gonna, you know, be a domineatrix and maybe start looking at the world needs a lot more 50 plus dominatrix. And, and, and then there was a question, oh, was she with army hammer? Because he was her neighbor. And then who are these, all these people she getting? And then she did say she was with a guy older, but not as old as Tom.

And everybody thinks it's this Vegas guy. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if it's somebody in Vegas. I mean, her ex and her ex-mother-in-law lived there. There's a lot of ties to Vegas and gambling and all of that from Tom anyway, so that it wouldn't shock me. Yeah. Wouldn't shock me. I saw on Instagram, she was like following and he was following her back. Some guy overseas that had tons of money and pictures with like tigers and crazy palaces and stuff. And I'm like, oh, she might be on the prowl. Yeah, well, what you gotta do, what you gotta do.

Hey, you gotta find a new sugar baby job. I mean, if that's your gig and it's worked for you in the past, I mean, she's not gonna be able to live on what she makes from the show minus taxes. She's not used to that. Right. I mean, she's trying not to really... Where are the earrings now? The earrings finally. What happened with the diamond earrings finally? Oh, the earrings, the earrings. Yeah. So, well, they've been in the safety deposit box for a hot minute and they're still kind of really contesting. I mean, I think she's appealed it now. So it was said that they have to give the earrings back, that they proved

that they were paid for, like the check to the jeweler. Okay, guys, this is not a ledge. Let's follow me on this. Yeah. The check to the jeweler came from the account where victims money is supposed to only be. Okay? Literally period. Those earrings were bought with the blood of people who died or had cancer or were in a car rack or some other horrific thing. Lost a family member. It was literally bought out of the fund from the victim settlements. It's serious.

And I just say it. And right now, diamonds are went up in value, like they're inflating a lot. So they really need to get those diamonds out and cashed and get some money back before it drops or something, because right now they're like at an all-time high. So the other thing though, I mean, the sad part is though, still, it now is going to be, you know, crunched through a bankruptcy, which bankruptcy which you know there hasn't been much money paid to victims 18 months later. It's mostly been paid to lawyers all fighting over the money. Now this I came across this woman on Twitter Susan Bassie. Oh yeah. And she so I sent her

to talk to you and you went through it. I watched all over the talk. Why didn't you explain it down the rabbit hole? Why don't you explain it a little bit? I'm not like a true bravo person. Like anytime someone starts, then I go the next, the next. I mean, this is a very interesting thing about the California lawyers and judges who are private judges. Can you explain?

So her TikTok, what she's really like digging into is how there's a company called Jambs, which it's the largest of its kind in the country and it's really global. And they do mostly, you know, mediations and arbitrations. So a lot of the people at work there are attorneys and former judges. Technically though, like in California, anybody really can be a mediator.

You take this like $500 class and you're a mediator. You don't need a college degree, you don't need to be. They say you're supposed to have familiarity with the law or whatever, which I don't know how you would get picked as a mediator if you don't have a law degree or you don't have some kind of specialty background or whatever. I don't know how, you know, the two lawyers would go, hey, let's pick this mediator, if you don't have a lot of agree or you don't have some kind of specialty background or whatever? I don't know how, you know, the two lawyers would go, hey, let's pick this mediator that knows nothing. That'll be great for us. But there's really not a lot of regulation or oversight or any of that. And so you have Kate. There's kind of two parts to There's kind of two parts to jam. So like the Rago Mazz family used jams for their mediation.

So just as panelley that people heard about in the Hulu doc was the person from jams. And he's a retired judge, big wig judge. So his name was often used by Tom to keep the Rago Mazz's in line. So his stature, you know, he's a retired judge, he's so well respected, he's even more important than Tom. You know, Judge Pennelli is saying it, like, oh, okay, you know, we should listen up. So they have this incredible amount of power in these cases

and a lot of things are just sort of off the radar, so to speak. And in some of Tom's cases, some of them allowed him to do things with money, that the judge literally ordered them not to do, and then they let him do it anyway. So it's just sort of a very loosely knit organization that is infiltrated into our legal system. So family laws, another area, she goes into the family law stuff a lot.

And it's a good example to understand it because it's more everyday people like. Right. A lot of people have been through divorce. 50% or more people get divorced. So let's say you have some assets and you know, you're fighting over custody of the kids and you're fighting over your assets. They have jams, you know, deal with your divorce, sort of outside of the court. So you have like this private judge being your judge. And they decide and they'll drag it out and they can run up crazy costs.

I mean, they charge anywhere from, you know, $1,000 is not unheard of and even higher. And some of them Even want cash. It's kind of crazy like how do you like? Oh, I want a thousand an hour It's it's bizarre and this woman Susan I mean, I don't have the balls she does to like take a you know camera and put it in a judge's face and an elevator and be like Hey, you make a lot of money doing this. Like, what do you do? I mean, I couldn't do that. That's what she does another one, because I didn't do that.

Yeah, and her TikTok is not. Go check out. See, I'm telling you, it's a rabbit hole. I watch every... She's a fassie, be it. Every single one. I mean, she's a bad ass. She's like, like I said, it's not my person.

I couldn't do what she does, because she's literally like, you know, continue the judge. She's like, okay, so you make a thousand bucks she does. She's literally like, you know, continue the judge. She's like, okay, so you make a thousand bucks an hour from these people? Really, you know, what do you have to say about that? You know, she just put some literally on the spot and they're like, you're crazy. One guy was like, you're nuts, get away from me. Get away. You're a public official.

I have the right to ask you these questions. I have a right to ask for these documents. You're being a judge. You're playing a judge in a family law case. Da-da-da-da-da. And she's just hammering. And she's telling them the law. When I first saw that about that with the family law,

I was like, oh my God, it's like family law is so screwed up in California and to know that this is like playing a role, I just really feel for people that I ever have to go through it in California, especially. And to know that it's all linked to the Tom Gerardi too. I mean, we can think Bravo and the Bravo fans for being so interested in what Eric is doing, that it's actually uncovering some things that needed to be uncovered. You know, so just say like, yay for the Bravo fans, that they're like super slew that,

you know, they're really into this. And in one hand, it's uncomfortable to hear people always talking about something that's your real life online or even on TV, but on the bright side of it, I mean, maybe we can finally get a court system where access to justice is actually possible for people. Maybe that's asking for too much that everyday folks could get a divorce or file bankruptcy or get a good lawyer if they get rurended in an Uber. But I don't think so. I think it's doable and I think it's cool that if they're going to exploit this on TV that something good comes out of it. So, you know, good for Susan that she's getting traction and I'm sure even more Bravo fans will go see her stuff.

She's bold. Yeah, awesome. Well, I'm so glad you came. You always come and really explain it all well and it better a while since you come. So tell everybody where they can follow you or if they wanna ask you a question or write you. You can find me on Twitter at KimberlyArchie or Instagram at Cheer Safety and I don't

have a bunch of websites and so there's just too many. Find me on Twitter. That's the easiest way. Twitter Ground is easy. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

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