Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Joe Rogan, Justin Bieber, Sydney Sweeney with Shallon Lester

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Former Editor and Chief of Star Magazine now turned outspoken YouTuber, Shallon Lester is here! Joe Rogan says my stand up comedy/faint is what made him question if God was a script writer. Justin Bieber did a live that is worrisome. Shallon shares how a tweet she wrote about Justin Bieber caused her to receive death threats. Does Justin only have one child? Kanye says he regrets having kids with Kim K. Did Sydney Sweeney dump her fiancé for her co star? Chappell Roan gets heat from mommies. Blake Lively cosplays a donut baker. Ryan Reynolds cast his 7-year-old in a shocking film role. Is Hugh Jackman’s divorce getting ugly? Then Shallon shares who tells on the stars and why Meghan Markle's royal staff turned on her. • Find exactly what you’re booking for on https://Booking.com, Booking.yeah! • Get 25% Off @goPure with code JUICYSCOOP at https://www.gopurebeauty.com/JUICYSCOOP #goPurepod #sponsored Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod  https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I have a new guest you might be familiar with her. She has a huge YouTube channel. You are a former editor in chief of Star magazine, so you're always up with the hot gossip. Shalyn Lester, welcome to Juicy Scoop. I've been following you for a while, so Jacques recommended you. I was like, oh, I know who she is.

And then we had a fun conversation on the phone over the weekend, kind of talking about what we talked about, but then I was like, wait, save it for the show. Save it for the pod. Save it. So welcome. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, we were on a good yap fest this weekend.

I was like, we gotta save the magic for the show. And then when you're like, we could be friends because we both, so you have, you favor a side of your space. Yes, my left side is my good side, yours is your right. This means we can be friends. So this studio that we have, that we're using right now with the couches,

is favoring my good side. Have you ever had the kind of horror that I've had when you've walked in to do someone else's show, whether it's TV or YouTube or whatever, and you are not on the good side because that's the side of the host and you just know you're going to hate it? Yeah, I know.

I look like a shoe from the other side. There are no side of the host and you just know you're gonna hate it. Yeah, I know. I look like a shoe from the other side. Like there are no photos of this side of my face. I'm like the Phantom of the Opera. And I have walked in and I've been like, why are you doing this to me? Like my agent should have told me, somebody should have warned me. And then I just wanna like sit completely the opposite way

and just like face the wall. And what is weird is that to someone that doesn't live in your face, they don't know what you're talking about. No. Why you favor one side so much. And but in my particular case, when I have been shot from the other side, people are

like, she looks like shit. I don't think they do say they do say it. They say it in the comments. They're like, what the fuck happened to her? And I'm like, I've been controlling the camera for years. That's how it's been. I mean, I am controlling the camera. Yes, I know.

I agree. I think that people act like they don't see the shoe on the other side. I'm like, I know that you do. I know that you don't light them. Don't gaslight me. Okay, we have so much to discuss, but an exciting thing happened over the weekend.

I feel it's exciting because Joe Rogan, who is the king of podcasting, who I have often said, you know, Joe Rogan has made it possible for all of us and by really putting podcasting on the map. Of course, some people don't like his show, don't like him, whatever. He's the biggest one that has it.

I knew him from back in the day of doing Stand Up at the Comedy Store, but it's not like we run in circles, been friends. I've never been on a show. But he has talked about this incident that happened to me a couple years ago when I fainted at the Tempe Improv right at the beginning of my set

on the Saturday night of a two night show. So I'd already done two shows on Friday, Saturday came out and did it. And so I'm gonna play what he said so you can hear it. And it was the top of his like three hour podcast that he dropped on Saturday. So a lot of people let me know about it. And it is interesting and I have actual new thoughts,

even though I've talked about this a few times, I've shared my thoughts on stage. Let's just, I'm gonna let you hear what he says. When this girl, Heather McDonald, blacked out on stage while she was making jokes about being vaccinated, and then she blacks out and cracks her skull, have you seen that?

Yes. Legitimately. That was the first time in my life where I was like, About being vaccinated and then she blacks out and cracks her skull. Have you seen that? Yes Legitimately there was the first time in my life. I was like, there's no way I was like they're fucking with us. Yeah, they're just fucking with something's hat that can't be so dead on like this is like God is a scriptwriter Like how is that a real thing that that's a video where someone is, she didn't do it when she was making fun of her boyfriend, she didn't do it when she was talking about idiots in traffic. It was when she was talking about the vaccine and how, you know, I still got my period so Jesus loves me more.

Like there's no way! It's too good! The timing was exquisite You couldn't have if you had a movie where that was a scene You could not have scripted or a timed it any better where you would tell her and You started legitimately wondering then and I know that's a stupid example I'm very aware of like you fucking moron all the things in the world. There's plenty of examples The audience is laughing probably the best laughs you got all night

You know if you're a pratfall person no one one expects it like, oh, that's hilarious. If it goes with the bit, you know. And it's timed perfectly. Absolutely. What's that quote? God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. And he was like, wow, I've never heard that's amazing. So I was like, God, I mean, listen, for the people that have been following you forever, and you know, but the way this business is, you can be quite successful as a podcaster, as a YouTuber, and the average Joe walking down the street doesn't know who you are and doesn't follow you,

and especially when comedy is, you know, you like who you like because you watch a person and you're like, they're relatable to me. So is the majority of my audience women? Yes. Probably Joe Rogan's audience does not go, I got to listen to Juicy Scoop. I love Heather McDonald, whatever. There's some I'm sure that have a wife that yes, I'm getting more like husbands and stuff coming because they they're wise listen and they're like, Oh, I like what you say, which is always like, bugs me because that means

more to me that like a straight man thinks I'm funny I'm like really no I'll just pick me at the end of the day you know we have our little pick me areas right so anyway um I appreciate that he you know but I feel like he doesn't really know where I am in life because he's like she it's not about her boyfriend but I also like to think that you know where I am in life because he's like, she, it's not about her boyfriend. But I also like to think that you think I'm so young to have a boyfriend when I've been married 25 years. Yeah, first thing he said is this girl.

I was like, what? This girl and not about her boyfriend. I'm like, maybe he doesn't remember that we talked a few times a million years ago at the comedy store. I don't know. But, you know, he's talked about this a lot because it really did make an impression on him of like, what the fuck is going on with the Matrix,

with Simulat- whatever, is God? And when I did F.A.I.T., which I'll just say quickly again, I had lunch with my son, who was at ASU at the time. He's still there, but he was a freshman or sophomore at the time. And we went shopping at Nordstrom's and we had lunch at like 2.30. And so I just wanna say, it wasn't cause I didn't eat.

It was February, so it wasn't like it was so hot that I passed out cause I was hiking in the, you know, Phoenix mountains. So that was all really weird. I had never fainted before. What were you gonna say? People who might not know comedy and like what it takes because it's like the most terrifying thing

people can imagine. It's like the number one fear of Americans. It is not so strenuous that if you do it three days in a row you will faint. Right. You know, it's not like she ran three marathons in a row and this is just what's gonna happen. Like you don't need to faint.

You were at Nordstrom's before that. And I wasn't, you know, this is my crowd that paid. It's not like it was my audition to be at the Star of the Montreal Comedy Festival, and this was 20 years ago, which I would get my nerves more up about. So I was really excited, you know, happy to do the show. It was right at the beginning of my act

because it was second year of COVID, or I don't even know what season of COVID we were in. And I had gotten all the vaccines and I was just coming out grabbing some low hanging fruit jokes about COVID. COVID jokes killed because everybody on the earth could relate to a COVID joke. And I also want to say, yes, I got vaccinated, but I never judged anybody who didn't. I had friends who got the fake cards. I whatever.

I didn't get vaccinated. And we can coexist and who cares? If you were honest with me, which I had friends who were, I was like, cool. But anyway, I did because for me, I was like, I'd wake up after going out at night before the vaccine and I'd be like, can I still smell? Yeah.

I have to this day never gotten COVID. So when it happened, I woke up, I was like, oh my God, what happened? I was in shock, whatever. And I talk about it on stage. It's kind of like a longer funny story, but I did not think until later, like, wow, it came after this joke that I said about that.

I was just more like, what is this? And right off the bat, Dr. Drew, who we've been friends right off the bat, Dr. Drew, who we've been friends with for a while, saw it online, because we all follow each other. He reached out to my husband, who was in LA, and he's like, when did she get her booster? Because I say in the longer video,

I've been double-vaxxed, boosted, flu shot, and I got the first shingle shot, because I'm kind of old. And I go, but I still got my periods. And I go, and I've never had COVID, so clearly Jesus loves me the most. Yes. Not a hilarious joke, nothing.

Just get in the crowd, knowing that if they come up to me after... Yes. I'm not typhoid-mared. I've gotten vaccine. You won't get it from me. You can't blame it. I'm not patient zero, whatever.

And so, and then I was going to get to the juice. You don't usually start out with the strongest joke. So that also bothered me that people would watch the clip and think I'm not that funny,, whatever. And so, and then I was gonna get to the juice. You don't usually start out with the strongest joke. So that also bothered me that people would watch the clip and think I'm not that funny, but whatever. No. So then, so then when that happened, then it was still really weird. Nobody really wanted to talk to me about it,

or if I was asked about it on the red carpet, that like never made the thing, cause it was like, you can't talk about the vaccine or any kind of stuff about it. Now that it's so out and open, and watching Joe kind of analyze this, that it's made such a weird impression on him. Yes, I want to say, I do think it's very interesting.

First of all, I do believe in God. I was raised Catholic. I do believe in Jesus. I do pray. And you're a manifestor, because you told me on the phone you are obsessed with fainting. And you were like, this is where you use your manifesting juice to play the card.

There's two things that I saw, OK? One was, I believe I did an episode with Josh Flagg a few years ago, because someone brought it up. And I said, I have a fainting fantasy. I might have even written it in a book, I'm not sure. Where, because then somebody in the comments of his thing had a quote from me and they said 2011, and it was like, I have a fainting fantasy

where if I faint, I don't know where they got it. I don't know if they got it from an episode of Chelsea Lately or my book, because 2011 I didn't have the podcast yet. And that I, I was just like, yeah. But also in the writers' room, I came across papers because I just moved, and Jen Kirkman had put all this funny stuff, crazy stuff people had said in the writers' room over the years. And we printed it out and I kept it in a file.

And I looked at the paper recently and it said, I have a fainting fantasy where I'll faint and it'll be in front of a crowd and people will be like, oh, is she okay? And I'm like, no, I just forgot to eat that day. And so it's crazy that I said it at one time, not once, but twice, you know, either on the show or in a book or in a writer's room or a few times.

And I didn't think about that when it happened either. I was just like, do I have like some brain tumor? Right, it's actually not that sexy to fake. Like it's very embarrassing. But I think every girl. No, I didn't get paid. Everyone got their money back. I had to come back, redo the show.

Some people came back. Some people was like, fuck it. 90% of my audience that was there was like traumatized and I'm like lovely about it. It was kind of traumatic for my son who witnessed it, who was there watching me, you know? And, but anyway, like, yeah, I do think, I do, and people really got mad that I said,

so clearly, clearly Jesus loves me the most. I joke because I've also said in my act, if you've been following me a long time, do your Christian service, you know, and I'll joke and be like, oh, I tagged you. It's my Christian service for the day. As someone who went to Catholic school, they always are like,

did you get your Christian service out? So I like joke about it. So it all came from that. But from people that are very conservative, they think that I'm like mocking God from that clip and that God like came down and flicked me and didn't like that I was joking. But now I feel with Joe, maybe people will be like,

wait, maybe Jesus actually did take this opportunity, or God, to get the conversation going because this was a clip that was used, it has been used by other people, I don't even know how many times, like 100 million times. And I'm like, I said to my husband, I go, maybe this should be pinned at the top of my Instagram because I'm like, I don't think I how many times, like 100 million times. And I'm like, I said to my husband, I go, maybe this should be pinned at the top of my Instagram

because I'm like, I don't think I've like utilized it enough. And anyway, Joe, Rogan, I love your show. I love what you've done for podcasting. I love how many people you've featured. I would love to come on and talk about it with you. I will fly down to Austin. I think we'd have a juicy conversation about being parents and what our kids think of our acts on our podcast.

There are so many things we could discuss. And so there you go with that. But that is interesting. And every time I think it's done, it's kind of not, because the conversation comes up. And it is poetic timing. It is religious timing, it is crazy that it happened right at that moment.

And I do think you were like God's messenger or like Mother Nature's messenger to start these conversations. And the fact that, I don't know, you say like some people are conservative and that's why they were triggered. There is just a per capita representation of just professionally triggered people

on the left, on the right, in the middle, whatever. That they're like, they can take a joke about Judaism. They can take a joke about, you know, left-handed people or whatever, but you can't come for their particular corner of the world. Suddenly they have no sense of humor. And also it always bummed me out because I was like, oh my God, do you know how much money I've spent? I got married in the Catholic Church. I was raised in the Catholic Church.

I went to 12 years of Catholic school. All of my kids went to Catholic school. Like, so I'm like, for people to then to write like, Oh, I'm like, some lefty libtard, you know, which is rude to say about anybody, but because that I was saying, I got the vaccine and you should too, that wasn't it at all, but everyone has a right to their opinion, but I will say it has absolutely done nothing with furthering my career.

Absolutely fucking nothing. But you don't know that, and this is a thing. I don't think it has. I have not seen a bump from my fate. Sorry. You don't know that, and this is a thing. I don't think it has. I've not seen a bump from my faint. Sorry. You don't know that. And this is a thing with our career and cancel culture.

What seems like the worst thing that can happen? Or even a net neutral event. It's like, all right, I fainted. I had to give everyone's fucking money back. You just don't know the butterfly effect it has down the line, like Joe talking about it. I mean, if I'm the reason that people are doing things now, or whatever, good or bad, or how you feel about it now,

I mean, you might be mad at me because you might not like where we are in the vaccination world, maybe because of my faint. I don't know. All I know is that this happened to me. How is someone personally offended by you fainting? Like, are these people on drugs? How is someone offended by your personal life experience?

And this is the thing with anyone getting canceled and just talking about, hey, I like living here. I didn't enjoy this. I do like this. Like, how does that affect their life's outcomes day to day? Like, is you fainting the reason their husband's leaving them or the reason they've got four DUIs? Make it, like, put these pieces together. And then I just want to say that happened on a Saturday.

I flew home on a Sunday, I think, or a Monday, but I put out the show on Tuesday. I got into my studio, I wore sunglasses, I told the story, I got there because I was like, I do not want people because my job and my livelihood that supports my company, my family, everything that my husband and I have worked for is me being cognitive. So I literally got was like, I don't know why this happened. I don't have something wrong with me. And then I had awful

other podcasters that were my friends at one time, then went on their show to say maybe she has brain damage. Maybe that's what's wrong with her. Oh, maybe you have brain damage. Jeff Lewis said that on Sirius Radio. And of course, no one will ever, Sirius, nobody has ever apologized, nothing. But I'm just saying that's what I then had to fight against. So thank God it didn't have lasting effect on my career, though someone was trying to make it look like

I was mentally or physically not okay. Nothing's happened since. I did recover. Nobody really knows why that happened. People could argue it could be you never know what it is, and it doesn't necessarily mean there's a correlation. But do I now think, yeah, I do think I added significantly to the conversation.

You absolutely did. And it's these things that at the time seemed so random or insignificant or planned or whatever that turned out to be so much more significant and a jumping off point for a larger conversation. This episode of Juicy Scoop is brought to you by Booking.com, Booking.Yeah. Every time I use Booking.com to find a place to stay in the US, I know they'll have exactly what I'm looking for. I've got some things coming up, one being my son's graduation,

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with the tabloids and all of that. And then what happened between leaving that, starting your own YouTube, and then you even had a moment of cancellation. So why don't you tell us about that? I was with Star Magazine until 2019. I got laid off and I'd had my big moment. Why don't you tell us about that? I was a star magazine until 2019. I got laid off. And I'd had my YouTube channel.

And did you get laid off because just people were not buying physical magazines anymore? Was that a big layoff? I had survived in seven years of that company 14 rounds of layoffs because it's poorly run. They don't listen to their audience. They don't follow a narrative with the celebrities that they write about.

It's like one week Kate Middleton's anorexic, the next she's pregnant with triplets. I'm like, just pick a fucking storyline and take it through a whole season, right? Stop switching up the characters. If this is what you believe, follow it out. So I think I was also just getting a little bit uppity over there.

I was encouraging people, take your full lunch break. You don't need to check your emails on the weekends. You know, I was kind of that Martha Ray person. So I think finally the hatchet swung to me. And it was like a fainting on stage at the time. I'm like, why is this happening? This is terrible. But I was able to put my energy full time towards YouTube,

and it took off. And yeah, I was blowing up as a YouTuber until lockdown, until quarantine, when I got canceled, when everyone was coming for the sassy white chicks on the internet. What happened? until quarantine when I got canceled, when everyone was coming for the sassy white chicks on the internet. What happened? Well, creators were like, we're going after her.

We're going to find things on her. And the things they found were things I had said in my YouTube videos that I edited and put on the internet on purpose recently. It wasn't like the smoking gun, the big smoking gun, was a tweet 10 years prior to that saying I had a sex dream about Justin Bieber. So they declared that I was a pedophile,

posted my address on Twitter, which is it trended number three. Sean Mendez DM'd me. He's like, I've never heard of you. I don't know why this is happening to you. I'm so sorry. This is crazy. I was like, Sean, I just hope it never happens to you. And three days later, people canceled him.

What did he get canceled for? Like, nothing. He's like, Sean, I just hope it never happens to you. And three days later, people canceled him. What did he get canceled for? Like nothing. He's like, I like sushi. And they're like, racist. Like nothing. Like nothing. Sean is the most. It was just a crazy time, because people were bored

and at home and angry. But OK, so I want to just interrupt for one second, because I will say, and I've said this too. So when Justin Bieber was just first coming up, I was working on Chelsea lately and he was this cute little adorable boy, right? And I think he was maybe 14 when he came on the show. And we're always coming up with bits. And this was like 15 years ago.

And myself, I think Sarah Kelana and Jen Kirkman, who's the one who wrote me wrote the notes of saying, we say, I have a fainting fantasy. We dressed in like sexy outfits and he was in the green room and we were like, Hey, and we joked about it after like a few years later, like, ew, that was like so wrong and inappropriate. Like he was like a kid. He went along with it. He was super professional. And then he gets sits down and like flirts with Chelsea where

Chelsea was not flirting back, which is good for her that she wasn't. And but that was just, it was just like a thing. It's a joke, dude. It's a joke. It was a thing. And but people were, you know, pointing at that. So I, okay, so then that comes out. So then what's the fallout of this,

people discovering the tweet about your dream? Yeah, and I did not apologize. I'm not an apologizer. And I saw how many people who were getting canceled had these, like, groveling, pathetic apologies. And it just was more chum in the water. It just made people go after them harder. And I was like, if you don't like me, fuck you.

Don't watch. I don't care. I'm not sorry for anything I've ever said or done. If you don't like it, don't watch. You're not even paying to be here on my YouTube channel. You're like eating the samples at Costco and then kicking over the stand. It's like, leave! What are you doing? So that... People didn't like that.

I'm glad that I didn't apologize. I was kind of one of the first people, certainly one of of the first women to get canceled to be like go fuck yourself Like I don't care. It's not gonna make this better and It did not So my yeah, my address was trending and that's when you're in New York I was in I was in Southern California with my mom locked down, but I was living in New York I got stuck out here. And I had to call the FBI, because I'm like,

I don't know what to do. There's death threats. I don't know what to do. This career we're on, and especially cancellation, it's a frontier. And there's no rules. So when people talk about death threats, because I told you on the phone, I go,

I have been a little bit like, all right, let's not be overly dramatic. What were yours that brought enough concern that it wasn't just a comment like you should die, you're gross? Like how severe was it? Was it one particular person that kept writing you or what was it?

I was trying not to look at it because it was so awful, but I was having like my team look at it and they're like, it seems like people are making plans and coordinating things. Like it seemed like it was taking on more of a life of its own so yeah I called the FBI went in there several times they assessed the threats and they're like listen there's not 30,000 viable threats but there's enough and so you need to move you got to get out of your mother's house

immediately go get your stuff from New York never go back and go someplace number one where you can have a lot of guns and where no one can really find you. So I was going to move to Hawaii, but you can't really have a lot of guns there. Why do you need a lot? Why don't you just have one? If that's the way you feel. Because it's much more fun to have a lot. I mean, you want one in your car, you want one in your house, nightstand.

I grew up in a house where my dad was a former combat marine in World War II. However, he was very much for gun control. Of course. He was very much for gun control, and he would tell me, and he would write, you know, checks to support gun control, and he'd write a check, and he would say, this will do no good because they have so much power.

He's like, but we will never have a gun in this house because he was knowledgeable enough about himself. And I have a brother that he knew might have issues. So we never were taught how to use a gun. He was never taught how to use a gun. He never got in trouble with a gun in his life. He's since passed. But I always thought, I love that my dad saw that about

himself, about his child, and knew that we were never going to have one in the house. And I wish more parents would do that. I believe everyone can have the right to do that. But if you feel that you're in a situation where it might not, where it could be used for the wrong thing. And I know And I know this is a very touchy subject for the show, but again, I don't care, because I've never really said how I feel on it.

I get it. Like, I get it, and I respect people that were raised with it, know how to use it, whatever. It's very touchy. This is touchy. And I apologize to anyone that's triggered by this conversation. Maybe we have to cut it out.

I'm not sure. It is time that we bring these conversations that everyone is having in private at brunch with their friends into the public Like we have to stop being so afraid of triggering people who are literally only looking to get triggered No, you move to a place where you could have that I did for you And you know how to use them so I do yes do. Yes. And I'm very in favor of gun. I mean, put any roadblock you want in front of me in a gun, a psyche valve, taxes, a waiting period. That's fine. That's fine. We can pass them all.

I'll pass them all. And everybody I know in Montana, almost everyone has a gun. And everyone else is in favor of this. They're like, yeah, like, let's make it hard. Let's have classes. Like, no one's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, just like Root and Toot and Wild West. Yeah. People are much more responsible. But it's a hard conversation when you're Let's have classes. Like no one's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, just like rootin' tootin' Wild West.

Yeah. People are much more responsible. But it's a hard conversation when you're in this entertainment world and there's been one way to think and all of that. So let's just get back to now. So then you started living there, doing your stuff there. Yeah.

And you feel good. I love it. I love the country. Yeah, I split my time between Orange County and Montana and it's fantastic. And Jacques and I are working on a TV show, actually. So we might get a reality show going in in Montana. I know. I love that. So now let's talk about Justin Bieber a little bit, because that's what sparked it all.

So he's married to Hailey Bieber. I have talked about the the online videos of how she was always around him and Selena. And was she kind of stalking him? Was she a super fan or was she just a child of another Hollywood person and she was a fan and all of that? But they've since been married quite a while. They both are devout Christians and they have a child,

but he has not been looking healthy. He did a very weird 13-minute live, which is very strange when like a big star like that is just like, you know what I think I'm going to do tonight? Go live and reveal everything. And at one point he showed a photo of the baby not wearing any clothes, which has since been taken down, but that was there. Answering questions, whatnot. And then it was reported through people that Haley had stopped following him. Now TMZ says, no, that's not true.

She didn't unfollow him. It's part of this what TMZ is saying. Just hasn't unfollowed him. It was just a Instagram glitch. What? I don't know what's happening here, but there's something happening with Justin, I believe. I believe that there is too.

I've heard that it's kind of involved in the Diddy things that are coming up. Like he might be deposed or there might be information about him. Yes, that this is like skeletons he would rather, not of his guilt, but you know, he was maybe caught up and traumatized in Diddy's like disgusting saga.

And he doesn't look great. He doesn't look great. And then some people are like, he's older and he's a dad. I'm like, I don't think he's up all night breastfeeding. No, he's not. I don't think that's why he looks tired, okay? And I'll like, you could find him at any gas station in Tampa.

Yeah, it doesn't look great. And I don't know, it was strange. tired okay and all like you could find him at any gas station in Tampa yeah doesn't look great no and I don't know it was strange and then speaking of which I just saw an ad for a TMZ show where they are doing the defense of Diddy where they're having like a mock defense team do it and a mock jury who are gonna weigh in on if they it will this mock jury think that he's innocent or not. Obviously the whole defense of Diddy is people have threesomes, people have orgies, these were consensual adults and consensual sex workers they weren't being trafficked they wanted to be there they were being paid or not and that's the bulk of the defense. And then they, so I don't know how it's going to turn out,

but it reminds me of when I think it was Geraldo that did the grand jury or the trial of Jeanne Benet and if her parents would be convicted or really the mom, would the mom be convicted of murder or not? And when I saw that documentary, they showed an old interview of the mom who since died of Jean-Béné, who was like, imagine a housewife watching daytime TV, still mourning my mother's death. Whether you believe she did it or not, this is what she said.

Turned on the TV to see a mock jury of Wood. And they did convict her, the mock jury, of this daytime talk show. The difference there is, like, we still don't know. Like, that was such a mystery with Sean Benet. It's like, who could it be? We still don't know. With Diddy, it's like, who on earth is like, well,

I don't know? I think almost everyone is like, well, case closed. Then we have the arbiter of logic insanity in Diddy's corner. So egg on my face. Nobody is in Diddy's corner on this. And we don't have to like, hmm. And I also don't think people even care or are surprised

that celebrities have orgies and threesomes. Who cares? No one's clutching their pearls that like a rapper is sleeping with multiple people. Everyone's on board with this. It's cases of baby oil. It's underage people. It's the weird death of his ex-wife and baby mama. Like it's that, Diddy. There's so much. So anyway, I just want you to know that we'll know about that. Now this was really juicy. You see, I follow Sloan Hooks.

That is a beautiful man. That's a beautiful man. You don't know who Sloan Hooks is. I don't. He's a big YouTuber, too. And he's been on the show. I'm the worst YouTuber. I'm all output.

I don't know anybody. Well, anyway, I follow him. And he brought the story to me. Adorable Rain Disick, the youngest son of Scott and Courtney Disick. And then, of course, she has her other son with Baker. What's his first name? Travis, pencil.

So people have said the timeline of the conception of what it would be when she got pregnant with Rain was a time maybe it was, I thought it was fake for the show or for PR, but Courtney and Justin at the time were hanging out together. Okay. I have, I remember this. So they were hanging out. I remember when Justin did a radio show and someone was like,

you hooked up with Courtney and his exact words were, I got used, man. I got used. He was laughing like, Oh, like obviously she used me for sex. I got used, he was laughing like, oh, like obviously she used me for sex. But maybe. Or, or, or, I got used thinking I'd get sex, sex, but it was just to be on the show and to have a storyline. Was he on the show though?

Was he? Part of it? I don't know. Someone has to look it up. So it could be either or. However, however, I do remember that, and yes, this is awful, we're talking about a paternity of a little kid, but they're in the public eye and whatever. We're creators, we're awful people, I've slayed that drug and whatever.

I mean, it is what it is. I do remember Scott, or hearing about it or watching it, him being really quite shocked by this third pregnancy and being like, we don't even sleep in the same room, this or that. However, I thought at the time that I thought all the girls, because they don't really stick with these men, I think one regret that Kris Jenner would say is when she was a little girl, she always said, I want to have six kids. That's documented in her book. She said said, I want to have six kids. That's

documented in her book. She said it. I want to have six kids. She always says she regrets stepping out on Robert Kardashian and then they got divorced and they, you know, ended up being really good friends after. She then meets Bruce Jenner at the time and then they have the two more girls, which a lot of people do when they have like a big break of a friend, the same thing happened. Five sisters, then 10 years, and then. That is wild. Well, I gotta have one more so they have a friend.

So she has the two littles in early 40s, Kendall and Kylie. And so I've always, so I always thought, you know, Courtney wants to have another child. And maybe she at that time was like, well, I'm ovulating Scott still in my life. I want all the siblings to be I don't want to deal with another baby daddy. I want them to match. Kim, which we'll get to in a minute. Kim, you know, had four kids with Kanye, two that she carried, and all her biological children,

but two that she had to have a surrogate because the two pregnancies were difficult. So anyway, I was always like, oh, I wonder if that's the case. Even Kylie, Kylie has two kids with, what's the guy's name? Name cannot be found. Yeah, they're Travis, right?

His name's Travis. I don't know. She has two kids with him. We'll see if she has any with Timothy. Then Courtney went on to get married to Travis Barker and has her little boy. So I'm just saying, I just wanted, I never, I, I was like, oh, well that's probably it, Scott.

She probably really wasn't, you guys probably weren't that together, but she might have cozied up to you during her ovulation. Whatever. I don't think he's the kind of guy who's gonna turn down sex. Or be like, wait a minute, are you ovulating? I think that these words are completely foreign. So now the people that are into the sluice,

which also, listen, they've also said we don't think that Courtney is, I mean sorry, Chloe is Robert Kardashian's daughter. No, she's the hairdresser's daughter. That's what we've always heard. People think that, people thought OJ, I don't think OJ at all. But anyway, I remember they were going to do a 23 and Me

or DNA, and then they decided not to, but they made an episode out of it. There are fair, because when she was growing up, her hair was more blonde. Robert is tall as well, and he looks just like the dad. So there are tall people in the family whatever who cares so but with this one his little face looks a lot like Justin's little face at the time and people have done the Reese and put it together so he's doing

a live with some other kid that's like a family friend. And he's reading it and someone says, too little rain, who's like, I don't know, eight or something, is Justin Bieber's dad. And then he goes, no, no, my dad's Scott. No, no, no. And my immediate thought is, I don't think a kid that age, being asked that on the spot, is thinking they're asking that because maybe my mom slept with Justin Bieber.

He's asking it like if someone said, Heather, is your dad Ronald McDonald? No, my dad's not Ronald McDonald. I wish I was heir to the McDonald fortune. He's not, he's Bob McDonald. That's a crazy thing to ask. That guy's a clown, like whatever. So I think he was just kinda like, what? Why would anyone think that? Don't you know my dad is Scott Disick? I think he wasn't thinking that.

And so anyway, pretty crazy that it's coming up and I do feel like it is something that we should never know, never have tested, I'm sure Scott doesn't want it. Scott is a good looking guy too. Courtney, you know, I mean, you see Courtney in his face. I don't know, but they did the same thing to Chloe. So to them, they're probably like, this is so disgusting. I hate this.

But I'm just reporting on what's being talked about. We're just reading the news, people. Yeah, yeah. I could see it. I mean, Scott and Justin have that sort of Kirkland signature white man vibe. You know, same kind of bone structure, same kind of nose. Like, he mixed those genes in.

It's kind of hard to tell the difference. I mean, maybe she wanted another baby. Scott was like non-viable for whatever reason. I mean, it would be interesting if he starts leaning towards singing and stuff. He's quite the character, but so is Scott. He's the one who's sassy and funny, but Scott is sassy and funny.

Yeah, Courtney's not that tight. But also, it's hanging around your dad. There's genes, and then there's just, you know, who you're growing up with. Yeah, right. Exactly. So anyway, there's that. This podcast is brought to you by Aura.

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But instead of white, it's black. Where do you even get a black one? This, I don't think that was part of the spring collection. He does have a clothing line. This is true. The seamstress, I'm just picturing him walking in, like, I need you to sew something. Make it bigger, pointier, bigger. And she's like, what?

Wait, what am I fucking making right now? Super, super pointy. Super pointy. And he's just having a conversation. I don't know who the guy that interviewed him, I think I saw someone else pick it up, and that's what I saw. And it was hard to watch just this interview and all.

And he is using the N-word, the F-A-G-word over and over and over again, talking about John Legend being that, and that he was wearing sweaters and 102 degrees and Barbados and just ripping on people, everything. Then he goes on to say that, and TMZ is reporting on it too, that he never wanted to have kids with Kim.

And he has said that in previous things where he, when he was preaching, when he was doing his Christian stuff, his weird church, he made a whole thing of that he felt very guilty at the time because when he heard about the pregnancy, his initial thought was to end the pregnancy and he initial thought was to end the pregnancy. And he felt so bad. And everyone was like, oh my god, it's beautiful that you found Christ in life and whatever. But everyone also thought, why would you say that publicly?

And why are you saying this? Because it's so horrible. So now there were three kids after that. He goes, well, God had a plan. Well, God didn't have a plan because- No, you had a surrogate! Because you had a surrogate and you used, I think they did IVF for all three after. Well, he wasn't banging the surrogate, so yeah.

No. No, he wasn't. Like, there's medical intervention. Right, right. So it's like, it wasn't God's plan. If you didn't want to have any more kids, you would have had the kid, had, and like, you know, moved on, but no, you not only had the kid before,

then you had your big lavish wedding, and then went on to have three more kids. And then of course, you're a nightmare. And now she, now it's like the biggest nightmare on earth. I think this is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Kardashians. I don't know how you end this nightmare of like keeping your kids from his hatred and rhetoric and like, oh my God, it's just awful.

And I just feel so, I mean, I don't care how people feel about Kim Kardashian. This is the worst thing that could happen. It's a nightmare scenario for any woman and I wish Kim would talk more about it because it is the most relatable thing about her. It's like this, for any woman. And I wish Kim would talk more about it, because it is the most relatable thing about her. It's like, I am tethered to this man who is so toxic. He's bleeding into my children's lives, of course. There is no way out.

As long as he's alive, and this is his personality, or this is his level of medication, there's no way out. I don't know why he's bringing up not wanting kids. But the only men who I ever hear say, yeah, I didn't want these kids anyway, are the ones who are too broke to pay child support. Suddenly that's when they're doing like Monday morning quarterback

and then you want this family, you bullied me into it. Broke men say this. Rich men are like, you know what? Yep, I've got kids, I'm writing the check. This is how it is, we're gonna keep everyone happy. I have always thought this was a dangerous situation. And then the other side is men will say when women go, that his broke ass, he's a loser.

They'd be like, yeah, and you chose him. You chose him. And you chose him, right? The point is, through that old joke, like, you know, would he make a nice ex-husband? Actually, you should think about that. You absolutely should. You actually should think in going forward, whether it's getting married or, first of all, hopefully it is a choice and it's something that you were planning on it.

But also, if you have the luxury of choosing to procreate with this person, really think about it. Really think, how would they react if things changed and you fell in love with someone else or there was a stepparent involved? What is their relationship with their parents and would they be okay? Because you really cannot escape them. California in particular is very good about giving fathers rights even more than other states. So like get ready, they're going to want you to sharey unless there's something so monumental.

But I think this would do it. I would think if she went for it, but I wonder if she's just, not because her kids are getting of a certain age where she feels like she doesn't want to be the one that took her kids from talking to him or seeing him. Yeah. I mean, she's going to be the bad guy. And it's interesting. We pick a car with more judiciousness. The first thing we think about a car is, well, what's it gonna be like in an accident? We don't have that concept with a male. What's it gonna be like in 10 years? What's it gonna be like in the accident,

like in the trauma scenario that he's making a Klan hoodie and wearing it in an interview. But this personality of his did not come out of nowhere. This did not, even if it was, if this is even 80% mental illness, that did not happen earlier this year. That has been present and she still chose to reproduce. I feel like Amber Rose warned us.

She warned all of us. She is a nation's greatest philosopher, truly. Also on that note, Robert Kardashian had a Bible that he'd write notes in it. It was a very special thing. He was, you know, like, a devout Christian as well. And he gave it to OJ. And so they were selling OJ things in an auction, and Kim tried to buy it for 15 grand. However, I guess she lost out.

It went for 80. Why didn't she just buy it? Like, I find it interesting that she had a cap amount that she was gonna spend on this important relic for her family. I don't know the details of, like, you know, what happened with the auctioneer or what, or if she just put a cap on it, or I don't really know how it happened.

I wouldn't want anything that has been in O.J. Simpson's house around my children. That could be another part of it. Maybe she's like, you know what? If I can't get it for 15, you know what it's meant to be, maybe it'll touch another person's heart. My dad's in my heart. I don't need the Bible that he gave to his friend

when he thought his friend was innocent. And then when he realized he wasn't, when he was shocked at the, you know, when you see Robert Kardashian's face go, when they say not killed it. Like maybe she's just like, you know what, if it's meant, if I can get it for this, great. If not, let someone else have it.

I don't know what's going to be the last two words. That seems to be Kim's vibe. It's like, well, whatever will be will be. If my ex-husband's gonna wear a klan hood. Let them. Let them. Like girl, there's another half of that. It's let me, let me go back to my divorce attorney.

Let me go back to the courts. Right. Kim. Okay, what is the deal? Because I'm seeing this story everywhere. Sydney Sweeney is the very attractive actress. She exploded on euphoria. She's very known for her sexy, like, unique shaped eyes

and big natural breasts. And she's done the big, she did like a big romantic comedy. That was the best movie. She's done other, what she did like a big romantic comedy. She's done other, what was that movie called? Anyone But You. Yeah. It's so cute. And what is with going on with her romances right now?

So I just put up a video about this, because on my channel I talk pop culture, but like what we can learn from it, like the larger lessons. So for this, it's like she has been dating this guy, engaged, she's 27, he's 41. He locked her down pretty fast. They were linked in 2018, so she was, I can't do the math, but she was young, very young.

And I'm sure that when she was kind of a babe in the woods in Hollywood, this guy, he's a failed restaurateur, turned producer, just general Hollywood, I mean, he slicks his hair back, so, you know, that kind of Hollywood type. I'm sure he took her under his wing and like prevented her from being like cannon fodder for the Harvey Weinsteins out there. But now that she's so much more autonomous and growing up,

it's like, do I still need this sort of, like, daddy husband in my corner? Do I want to go out, have that ho phase, be an autonomous adult? And I think so many women identify with that. Like, when do you let go of the good guy if they are good, if they are perfect on paper, but you've just kind of outgrown them

and you don't want that daddy vibe. I mean, you want daddy, but not like the parentification type relationship. So I'm happy to see her out and about. I hope she has a rip-roof. So she was engaged to him, and now has she called off the engagement or she's just not wearing the ring

and hanging out with what's his name? Evidently she's deleted photos of them kissing from her Instagram, which was pretty bad. Unless this is another, it was just a glitch, right, Justin? Right, Haley? And yeah, she did a photo shoot without her engagement ring. Yeah, and she's been hanging out with Glenn Powell, who allegedly- Who was her co-star in that movie.

Yes, all that gossip. That people wondered if that was just, that was just like for looks or whatever. I think, I have to believe it was real. Like the way, the body language, I did a whole bunch of breakdowns on this, but like he would grab her by the back of the neck on the red carpet, like, ah,

and that's how he would hold his girlfriend. Like the body languages were the same with the woman he was dating and then with Sydney. And I think body language is harder to fake. It's not impossible. These people are actors. But I like to think it was a burgeoning romance, even if it meant she cheated. I don't care. Good for her. All right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Chappell Rhone was on Call Her Daddy. And this clip has gotten a lot of conversation going. and this clip has gotten a lot of conversation going. And she said, you know, she's, she's...

I think she's in a relationship, and I don't know with whom, but she doesn't have kids. And so she's dating a girl. Yeah. She's pretty safe from accidentally getting knocked up. I know she's... I didn't know if she... I didn't know if she said who it was. I know she said she likes girls and is bisexual. I just didn't know whoever this person's significant other.

I didn't know. So anyway, so she says, and they're like laughing and it's a conversation, you know, which just happens, and she says, every single one of my friends who has gone on to be a mom with little kids have no joy in their eyes. They're exhausted. They're tired. They're miserable, whatever. And, you know, they're laughing about it. Alex Cooper, the host, she is doesn't have kids yet, but she's married. So who knows? Me as someone who has kids that are now older, I was like, that's kind of

funny. It's kind of like, it's basically like, I could see a standup talking about that, that they're dead in the eyes or exhausted, they're tired, because you are. I don't even remember those years that well. I just- Mother nature doesn't want you to remember them, so you keep having babies.

Because you really are sleep deprived. And you're like, and my mom used to say that. She goes, having a baby, it's like, what would she say? She would say like, it's painful, it's exhausting, but God makes you forget so that you have another. And also it's like, those years, you're sad that you don't remember them as well because they're so cuddly and cute, but you really don't

because you really are tired and you really are burning the thing and you don't have any time from the moment you wake up till you put them in bed, you maybe have 10 minutes before you fall asleep yourself. And then all of a sudden they get older and then you're like, oh my God, they can take their own showers

and I actually can watch a show and then they're gone. So it's like, but I didn't think it was, I thought it was funny, but people have of course gotten upset about it and said, you know, how dare you, like, you don't know, why would you say that? And then, you know, people are saying, what about single people that are unhappy?

I have a lot more single people who are unhappy who can't find their husbands or, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I am happily, very happily child free, and I completely understand what Chappell's saying. I mean, I think misery loves company, and you have a lot of moms who are just bitching, bitching, bitching. Yeah, of course they love their kids, but it's the trade-off is huge and it's relentless and you cannot change it. I mean, you can abandon your family, you're not going to. The single people who bitch are actively working to change

their situation. They want to find a partner, you know, but the moms who bitch were like, well wait, why did you, how are you pregnant again, girl? And you and I were talking about this. But I will also say, I think that that's also what we're seeing in the zeitgeist and comedy, is that you can bitch about your kids, and it's funny, and it's OK.

And I'm so glad moms have that outlet. Yeah, and it's OK. And so if they were bitching to her, having fun with it, like also, well, we didn't like, I was just complaining like you would about your man or your husband like leaving his socks everywhere and the toilet seats up. It's like the old stupid joke. But like, yes, you know, is it exhausting? Is it tiring?

Are you like, oh, God must be nice that you could lay in your bed and read an entire Vanity Fair and like, yeah, I have those days now. And it is really nice. Yeah. And I remember that I didn't have those Saturdays. I was getting up and you know, I did, I did land at the airport and bring my giant suitcase to the baseball field to watch the game from dropped off in an Uber because my husband had to be there. So he wasn't going to pick me up. And I was like, I have to at least see one game this weekend. And like, yeah, there's all of that. That's like, exhausted. And then, you know, whether you're, whether you have the luxury of staying at home or the luxury of working or however you want to see it, if you're lucky or not, I don't know. But I thought, I think this is the one generation too, where I have no judgment if someone wants

to be child-free by choice. Child-free by choice was something that I heard like 10 years ago, and no one talked about that it is a choice. It wasn't like I tried or I wanted to. It's like, no, I really never saw. And I've had people come up to me or say, should I? I don't even know. I don't know how I feel. I don't know if I should have one more

or have one at all. We're deciding when, and in those cases, I'd be like, why don't you just fuck with your husband? That's always my answer to everything. And if it happens. Just fuck. If it happens, then great. And if it doesn't, then you don't want it so much that you're gonna go the next step to, to have a fertility journey and to, you know, hopefully have it work out

or go through the trauma of it. Be lucky that you don't want it that much. So if it happens, great. If it doesn't, you're like, Oh, God wanted this or I want the universe wanted it or whatever. Like I do think it's a good time. I understand women still get pressure, but I think for the first time in this Gen Z, I don't think they're gonna feel that pressure like they have in the past. As a woman, you're always gonna feel that pressure. Every generation thinks we're breaking the mold,

we're disruptors. Bitch, no you're not. We're maybe moving a quarter of a standard deviation away from the norm in terms of like, hey, we can question whether we want kids. But people always kind of come at me with like, you're gonna change your mind. Or now that I'm like too old to change my mind,

it's you're gonna be sad when you're old. You're gonna be sad when you're old about something. About something, and every old person I know is like, there's always gonna be something that you regret or you wanted to do differently. And society just always supports and lionizes weddings and babies, plural babies. If you have one baby, if you're a woman listening,

you have one baby, you get this. You're gonna have another? You should have another. You can have another? Yeah. You don't want a weird only child. That'd be so weird. They're gonna turn out to be bizarre. There's always, it's like, then have more.

How many are you gonna have? It's like, there's always that opinion and that celebration over it. Like you don't get, you don't go on Etsy and order like custom things for a PhD party or a corner office party or a book publishing party. It's for bachelorettes, weddings, baby showers. That's the machine.

And yet we, it's like on one hand, that's such a celebration. And on the other, it's like Chappell said, like you look in your friend's eyes and they're like dead and crying for help. They're like a hostage. And so we hear, it's like, well, which is it? Should we be super excited about this

or should we be really pulling back and looking real deal at who am I procreating with? Am I just fucking and seeing what happens? Or am I getting into a Kanye situation potentially? Because I'm not really being in the driver's seat of these decisions and thinking like long-term. Parenthood seems really hard when you do want it. And if you're like, ah!

Then it seems like an absolute death sentence. It seems like it would be so much resentment, so much difficulty. Well, you should never do it. I remember when I was doing real estate, I had the listing of this house, and the couple was getting divorced. And, you know, one day the woman kind of opened up to me and she was like,

we got married and I really wanted a child. And he did not. And he was like, Okay, but if you have that child, I'm not doing one thing. Oh, God. And he literally did not do one thing. Like did not like, like literally the bottle could be there and she could be in the kitchen and she could be like, can you just hand the bottle to the kid? And he was like, yeah. So then she was like, well, I can't have this person around my child. That's like this uninvolved in like such an, and I was like, yeah, you know what, believe, believe them if they say that, believe them,

they're not going gonna change the way. I think people think like the grumpy dad, like my dad was like, my brother brought home a dog. And he was like, I said we didn't want a dog. Now what are we gonna do? The next thing we know, you know, we all fall in love with it. And then it's like, there's people that do those videos

and it's always the grumpy dad. It's the grumpy dad, yeah. The dog knows like, oh, that's who I need to win over. So then that's the one that they make their primary human and then that's obsessed. Okay, grumpy dad, grumpy 50 year old dad who ends up liking the dog that the seven year old wants. It's not necessarily gonna work with your human child.

That's a hell of a roll of the dice. Yeah. And like, yeah, if you are wrong, even if the odds are 50, 50, those are bad odds. necessarily gonna work with your human child. That's a hell of a roll of the dice. Yeah. And like, yeah, if you are wrong, if you're, even if the odds are 50-50, those are bad odds and if you're wrong, yeah, you're getting divorced. You are dealing with a man who won't hand a bottle to the baby and how is this- Or worse, to get back at you. Oh.

To get back at you, he will say, I want half custody. Oh, yeah. And I want you to pay these expenses. 100%. And now I decide that you can't have the baby on Mother's Day because you got them last year. Like, it's just so, yeah, there's a lot of things to consider in this day and age

that we are now aware of that we can look at other women and their examples. But I did have a friend who was childless by choice. And once she got married, of course, all the questions were, you know, how can you take it? Because she was like, you know, in her early thirties. And she said to me, she goes, you know, Heather, you're the only person that was just like, cool.

I'm like, maybe because I have them. Like, maybe because I know. And I'm like, if it's not you, you know, you. And the other thing is, and I think I think I saw Jerry Seidfeld say this somewhere. He goes, I think the greatest thing God did is like, there's no way for you to see what you're missing if you don't have them. Like, you know, if you choose not to have them,

not like you had a child and you lost. I mean, just like you chose not to have them, there's no way that you like, there's no sliding doors moment where then you could jump to another matrix or whatever and see, oh this is what your family, this is, we're going to give you 24 hours in a day in the life if you had two kids eight years ago what it would look like. There's no way of knowing so you just are happy with your life and you fill it how you choose. And I also want to say I have been pushing

towards the movement and the joy that comes with, not enough people talk about how great this is, but I know a couple people, which is Hot Step Grandma. Yes, Hot Step Grandma. Hot Step Grandma is the best of all the world. Yes. Meaning you have your fun single life and without getting married. And then, you know, whatever, mid 40s or so or later, you meet a guy and he's divorced with grown kids and you fall in love. Ideal.

And then those grown kids have their babies. And now you do get to babysit and be maternal and grandmother-y and everything. But you miss the first step, which is the best, because being grandparents is better than being a parent. So like, it's the best thing ever if you can make that happen for you. I think so. I mean, there's so many broken marriages. There are a lot of single parents out there. There's a lot of chance to be hot step-grandma.

There's a lot of chance. Yeah. But you got to be hot. This is the thing. You can't be dumpy step-grandma. You got to be hot because the market's going to be popping for this. Right. But it works out. It works out. I'm down for this. You're gonna convince everyone into this. It works out, it works out. I'm down for that. Okay, Blake Lively, which I know people are tired of. I don't even know where we are in it. Who even, it's like, amendment 75. I don't know what the latest happened,

but I did see this, TMZ said, Blake Lively shows up for work at a Connecticut donut shop. It sounds like. Times are tough. It sounds like maybe she's filming something and either this was where they were filming or she did that cosplay of being a minimum wage worker. Which a lot of stars like to do that.

They do love to do that. What? This star made me a coffee? I didn't know how to work the foam machine. Oh my God, how great. And then, oh, and she was so sweet. And she took a photo with all the staff and then left. And then I had to still work for another seven and a half.

Yeah, exactly. And she's not getting, you know, 80% of her paycheck out in taxes. My friend actually took some footage. She was there and saw her. Oh really? Yeah. And she sent it to me. She's like, what was it?

Was it filming or was she doing just something fun for PR? She didn't see any filming thing, but she was like working and making donuts. But the picture, Blake is almost like touching the ceiling. She's a giant, she's gigantic. I don't know if she had these huge shoes on, but I'm like, she looked like Godzilla storming the bakery, but she looked very cute.

Who knows what she was doing back there? She's a big baker, so maybe she's just learned that. Oh, that's right, she is a big baker. Yeah, she's a great little baker. Okay, so, now, the other thing that's coming with people talking about the weirdness of Blake and Ryan is when they did the nice pool where he wore his long hair and he was clearly making fun of Justin Baldoni,

he has a lady pool who was played by Blake, which is weird because she was totally covered. Like, why wouldn't she just get somebody else to do that? But there's a child pool. Child pool? There was a child in the scene that says to one of the other characters, either the nice pool or the other one,

and the child says in the movie, why don't you get Wolverine's dick out of your mouth long enough to tell me this or do this? To Nice Pool? To Nice Pool or one of the other pools. Okay. I don't even know. To a guy. Okay.

But he's addressing a guy. Justin's in the... not Justin. Ryan's in the scene. Okay. So people are like, wait a minute. And he, Ryan goes on to do a podcast or whatever where he says that was our child, our seven year old daughter that was in the outfit covered saying that line. And she didn't want to say that line until I said,

I'm gonna audition other kids. And then she, then he goes, and then she wanted the part. And what was crazy is she didn't even want to say the line, but in order to get it right, we had her do it over 70 times. That's going to come up in therapy, probably freshman year of college or freshman year of rehab. Like, that's going to come up. I can't, like, okay.

What? Also, this is a person who got in a slutty outfit and did a sketch and flirted with Justin Bieber. So I understand that sometimes when the art is happening, maybe nobody in the room is like, why don't we just get a little person to get in the outfit? We do another voice of somebody or now they could probably just AI. But at the time they didn't and he wanted his family on set and his whole weird snarky comedy that isn't now no one's thinking it's funny but people didn't think it was funny

before this is like I hate my family, I hate my wife kind of humor just like the girls that are trying to make Chappell-Rone laugh but don't really mean it. I hate my kids, I hate my own and she thinks they really hate them when they don't. So that's kind of interesting. So that all came up this week as well. It's just so unsavory. Like, again, like, the... Blake and Ryan cannot lambast Justin Baldoni for, like, trauma on set and hostile environment

when they're telling a seven-year-old to say, hey, take a dick out of your mouth. Like, either you are beyond reproach morally in this category, or you're right down in the mud, and it's all just comedy and it's all just art. But you can't cherry pick what's offensive when the things you're doing are that bizarre. Like, that's just bizarre.

Right. Anything you're accusing Justin Baldoni of, it's like, what was it? Like, what even was it? It's such a nothing burger when they're this sticky and stinky with their own weird behavior. Yeah. It's just such bad optics.

Yeah. So we'll see what happens next. Speaking of Wolverine, he is, you know, divorcing his wife. What the hell is his name? What can I think of his name right now? Hugh Jackman? Hugh Jackman.

Hugh Jackman is divorcing his wife, who he had for 27 years or something. He's with the other actress. Sutton Foster. Sutton Foster from Younger, who's also a Broadway person. They did Broadway stuff together, so they're red carpet match.

According to Daily Mail, bitter new twist in the Hugh Jackman's divorce battle. Well, now he's worth a lot of money. And apparently, they're saying she wants more than half of it. Well, they've been together enough time that she would get half of it. I guess she wants more. And that it was going to be all amicable and everything.

But once someone now is parading, they're much younger, more famous, and they're in love, and they're happy, and they're in love, sometimes the amicable divorce does not remain amicable. Especially since Sutton and Hugh, like you said, they knew each other from Broadway. So it's like suddenly you're putting pieces together, those late night text messages, those press junkets,

it all takes on a different shape. That wasn't going on much longer. Right, right. And then of course there's the rumors that there's something with Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman. It's like, is Wolverine's dick someplace it's not supposed to be? Right. You know what, if that is the case, if there is Wolverine's dick someplace it's not supposed to be? Right.

You know what, if that is the case, if there is any sort of messiness in his closet. Whose closet? Hugh's. Okay. Like Hugh just paid the woman. Well, it was always there. There's always rumors because he was a Broadway

song and dance man. Totally. I've heard that for years. And he had a wife that was his age or older for so long. There was always rumors that he was maybe not 100% straight. Lavender marriage. A lot of people don't know the term lavender marriage. And a lavender marriage was when two people back in the day when you couldn't be happily gay out there, they would get married. So a woman who was a lesbian, a gay man, and they would go and have a lovely

friendship life, have kids. And I'm seeing all this stuff about lavender marriage now, like on TikTok and stuff, of people who said, my aunt and uncle were in a lavender marriage. I was part of a lavender marriage. We didn't realize. And then later on we did. And they died being great friends. And then there's this new movement of younger people being like, we would like to bring back lavender marriage. Like gay guys being like, I actually don't want to marry a guy, guys suck. I would much rather, I'm gay,

and I would much rather marry a woman who's down to have a gay husband. And then women are like, I'd like to marry my gay best friend. I mean, they're all like joking, but it's just kind of an interesting thing. But so people thought that, right? But now that he's with this other girl,

I personally don't. I just think he was a guy who was a song and dance man, and this was his real wife and everything, and he is in love with this real person. And I don't think there's anything up with Ryan and him. I wouldn't say that too, yeah. And the rumors about Ryan too, I don't think so either. But people always question that.

That's always going to be a question. I think there's gay and straight, and then there's just narcissists, where it's like they'll just take anyone who's given them some attention. I think Lindsay Lohan could fall into that category. How gay was she dating Samantha Ronson? She was just, I think. DJ Samantha R gay was she dating Samantha Ronson? She was just, I think-

DJ Samantha Ronson. DJ Samantha Ronson, remember? And she was like- Oh my God, I remember that was- Coming out of her house, yes, crazy. Speaking of which, working on Star, how would you get, now that you're gone, how do some of those more salacious photos that really broke a story,

that were not Kyle Richards know, Kyle Richards right calling the paps to show her you know whatever what how does that happen? People are calling the paps. No but even in the no the salacious was where you where a story broke they did not want the world to know they were having an affair or whatever. It's the sources we would have a lot of hairdressers. We talked to our hairdressers like they're our therapist. There is no hippo girl. Like they will sing like a bird.

A lot of step siblings, like people who are like in the family but not blood related. So there's this jealousy. We saw tons of step parents, step siblings, step kids. Telling it all. Telling it all. Yeah, so if you're a celebrity and you have step people in your orbit, don't trust them.

Watch out for that step hot grandma. I know. Don't trust step hot grandma. That's what she's up to. Who's she on the phone with? On her jitterbug phone. Yeah, we would get a lot. I mean, people are pretty willing to tattle.

They're pretty willing to tattle because- And what would they get paid? Oh my God, like $200, $100. You think it's like, I'm gonna retire selling this story about Britney Spears. You are maybe gonna go to Arby's and like blow it out. Like that's about all you're gonna do. Yeah, but they were like grateful for it.

Yeah. Because a lot of these people, they were just kind of like, middle, people who are not really gonna set the world on fire, but their celebrity that they knew was like the one who got away, the one who got out of the small town. And they've got all the dirt from before they had their nose job and before, they got knocked up in high school. What do you think about Meghan Markle's stepsister that was so bitter and

talked a lot, though I haven't heard anything from her since her latest thing with the TV show. Maybe she finally got tired and realized, I've squeezed everything I can out of this financially and whatnot. Samantha Markle, you have a Meghan Markle story. Oh yeah, Meghan Markle has stories about me. Meghan Markle has theories that I am the leader of a cabal.

She's a cabal leader, guys. Orchestrating millions of middle-aged housewives. Excuse me, I'm neither. To sustain an online campaign of hate towards Meghan. And she put this in her Netflix documentary. So the Netflix documentary that we all saw that was a huge hit, there's a part in it where does she say your name or they show you? No, they show me and like three other girls.

Influencers, or not influencers, a YouTuber or reporters or what? The other two were actual reporters and journalists. So that's, to impugn the reputation of a journalist is very different than coming after a YouTuber. I'm an ex-journalist. But these people are like journalists. That's a very risky bear to poke, in my opinion.

I don't find that ethical at all. I think it's ridiculous. Yeah, and Megan's assertion through this guy, Chris Boozy, who's been sued half a dozen times for making similarly defamatory and ridiculous statements, claims that all of us who've never met are in cahoots to organize hate against Meghan. There's not one tweet, there's not one DM.

Like, where are we doing all of this? Social networks, show us. Show us one place we've done this. You were just doing what I do and everybody else does. Kind of commenting on what is out there, what people are saying or what we think might be the case. Yeah, I mean, Megan, you're a public figure. You put yourself into this sort of character list

that people are then going to like write narratives about. If you don't like it, go work at H&R Block. No one fucking cares. You sought this out. You wore Princess Diana's perfume on your first date with this man. You sought this limelight. So that is true. I saw that.

Do you know what kind of perfume it is? I don't. I want to think of something horrible like Malibu Musk. I just want to think of something tacky. No, no, I think somebody, I saw that somebody figured it out, but I don't know what it was. Really?

But that's the story. But how do we know that's a true story? I don't know. I mean, to me it's, it is in the line of reasonableness, given her other machinations towards Harry, isolating him, just everything, everything she does is so calculating. And yet she is so incredibly bad at being so calculating. Like, it seems like the only person she's actually managed to bamboozle is Prince Harry. And everyone else is like, the fuck is this?

Like, it's it's all just so incredibly transparent and odious. I'm all for being bamboozled by a sneaky celebrity. Just be better at it. That's all I ask. Read the Art of War. Read it like once. Listen to some podcasts. But, okay, so what do you think? See, this is what I think is going on with her. Well, some people think I'm too mean about her, either.

Two. I was, like, a fan of hers in the beginning. I thought it was great. I didn't, some people think I'm too mean about her either, too. I was like a fan of hers in the beginning. I thought it was great. I didn't understand why people were mad. I loved that she was like a Southern California girl. I think it's fine that she has her Netflix show. You can watch it, you can not. She has her next podcast.

Yeah, you can watch it or not. You can buy the jam. You don't have to buy the jam. You can make the fruit rainbow thing. You can, whatever it is. I't have to buy the jam. You can make the fruit rainbow thing. You can whatever it is. I think at this point as a woman, I'm not out to like tear her down because she essentially is the breadwinner.

Very true. How is he going to make any money at this point? But she did that. I know, but he's not part of the family. I don't know how they would ever parlay it back where he would be able to gain a salary from it. I know he has inheritance from his mom, but as far as, like, you know, he's not a TV producer.

He's not a writer. He's not a businessman. No, he's not a writer. I mean, you know, is he gonna buy a bunch of, like, Noah's Bagels and run it? Could he buy a franchise? I don't know, like, what he could do. I don't think... I think our

interest in them is waning and she's the one that has to bring it home and she has this deal. They're able to get this deal. So of course she does an easy deal of like, let me just go down the street and make some cute spaghetti and then talk to some, you know, the owner of Spanx about being a founder like everybody else has done. And I have 12 producers working on it that put it together. It's an easy job. It's easier to do that than be a teacher, be a nurse, or even be a legit actress that has to learn 12 pages of lines in an hour. So that's what I think. And I also think, think about all the women that might be accused of taking the son away from the family.

Like you moved away or whatever, and now we're the paternal grandparents. We don't see our grandkids the way we like. Like that's a thing too. So it's like I do get why she feels, but going back to what happened in the royal family and what stories were put out about her being mean to a housekeeper or assistant, that, I mean, I'm not,

I don't really, I didn't follow all that. So when we- Did you go deep on that? Yeah, I was at Star at the time. And priorly, we'd always written about the Royals. They're a huge seller. And they were a very tight ship. The House of Winds was a tight ship.

There was no sources. There was no nothing. When Megan got in there, leaky AF. People were singing like a bird because she sucked. And the accounts we were getting, people were like, we are risking our job, our family's legacy. Like the people who work in service at that level,

it is truly like a calling. Like it is, they're very proud of it. It's not just a job they take lightly. This is, they're gonna work in service for a lifetime. They're gonna pass that down. And so for them to risk that, to share how awful this woman is. And how was she awful?

Give me some examples. Yelling, ungrateful, rude, she just, she came in there and it was this like, I'm a disrupter, this is not the place you disrupt. And to your point, I absolutely get it, where it's like, yeah, so many mother-in-law's like, you're taking our son from us. This to me is why I hate Harry.

He should have been less of a wuss. He should have been out in a wuss. He should have been out in front. If that's the case, if his family is that toxic that he needed to break away from them, he should have been like, this is my decision. He should have been on the tip of that spear telling everyone. I feel like he did a little bit in the Oprah interview. Wuss. But he should have done it more. And let me say, if we flip the genders on this, and if you had a man isolating a woman from a big stable family and then turning and being like, you can't work, but it's like, I'm the

reason you can't work because I took you from this family and you are subservient to me, so you're going to do things my way. We would see that so clearly as an abusive dynamic. That would not be like, well, you know, she has to stay home. She has to stay home because he's created that situation. And not by an accident. It seems very advantageous that, yeah, she's the breadwinner. Yeah, she's making all the decisions. That is part and parcel of her personality, which seems to be, as we're seeing, pretty hungry for power and influence.

And hey, you can't knock the hustle, but don't then turn around and say you're the victim. Just be like, yeah, I'm fucking power hungry. Rah, like go for it. Kanye it out. Don't be the victim. Or I think also the stuff that you chose to do, a very easy show of having people come over and make a meal and then a very easy interview show.

You see people doing it, you know? Like, I haven't saw like, yeah. She can't pull it off. Right. Easiest thing, she can't pull off. Right, but I see why people do what I do and what you do. I see why people go, I see why big stars go. I mean, I just saw a clip of Amy Poehler say,

I'm giving 25% on this podcast, and I'm doing it because I was sick of seeing all the guys do so well with it. She's probably looking at the smartless guys going, really? $60 million? Why am I not doing a podcast? It looks easy. Who's this girl, Heather MacDonald, that's had it for 10 years? Why does anyone care? She's not never been on SNL. She's not a movie star. Why should she be successful? And again, she has every right to go jump in, just like someone who's got 12 people listening can have a podcast too, like I get it. But yeah, that's...

But that just goes to show, like people who are professionals, it's not because it's easy, it's because they make it look easy. And I don't think Meghan takes that into account. Like being a royal even isn't easy, they make it look easy. And I don't think Meghan takes that into account. Like being a royal even isn't easy. They make it look easy. Keeping the stiff upper lip, not reacting, not saying things.

It's the hardest thing in the world. Doing boring shit. Doing boring shit! Being in the fog. With the ribbon cuttings and the community centers and the macaroni portraits that kids are giving you. Ugh. Kill me.

But she signed up for that. I predicted that she would have a talk show, which essentially podcast is a talk show. She's too narcissistic. Because I was like, she'll do something easy like that, but she'll want to be back in the limelight. But that's what I thought she would stay in London and do something like that in London. That would be like she would be the Oprah of London. No, she's too big for her britches.

She has to be the Oprah of the world. But then in her defense, she would say, I would have loved to have done that. But right from the start, the world was ready to compare me to Kate and come after me. You signed up for this? Again, go work at H&R Block. Go work at a car wash. Like, no one's comparing those people to Kate Middleton.

But right from the start, though, what did she do wrong? Not currency, right? Like, I mean, at the start start she was, the wedding was nice. She, yes, she didn't, and you know, she didn't have her, she got mad at her dad for selling the photos. So, you know, yes, she had had him come, they, maybe, but at the same time, like, she was being respectful of the royal, she had the king walk her down the aisle,

like, I am just like playing devil's advocate. No, I get it. Some people say I'm too, you know, I'm too against her. I, you know, I don't know. How do you, I think the only way to do it is if you were like Princess of Monaco. Yeah, and you're just not in the public at all.

Yeah, you give up all and you please everybody at a meal and you take photos and you look gorgeous until. But that's a job description. Yeah, but- That's the job. Right. But then, but in 20, whatever she got married, did she really, was she expected? Did anyone say, if you marry Harry,

you can't have your own career and do your own thing? Yes, that is very much part of the agreement. Like, they can't even accept free gifts. Like, if you're Chanel, you can't send anything to Kate Middleton, she has to send it back. I know that. Like, Meghan would have known that.

And we had heard that, like, she wasn't taking the history classes seriously. And she went in there with this. This is just what we heard and what we reported on, that she wanted to go in there with this attitude of like, I'm going to disrupt things. Like, there are some things that don't need to be disrupted. And if you look at even Silicon Valley and the founders are like, we're gonna shake up like the Adam Newman, WeWork thing. Like, not everything needs to be disrupted.

You don't need to disrupt the way people buy groceries. You don't need to disrupt gas stations. You don't need to disrupt a royal family. People go there for the tradition of it. That's what we like about it. The consistency, the history. If you're gonna pull on a thread and disrupt something, pick something else.

And the fact that there is no one massive thing that she did, she didn't like barf in St. Patrick's Cathedral, just goes to show how gradual and organic it was that people stopped liking her. And we all know this girl. There's a Megan in every one of our friendship groups. It's like, why do you have to act like this at brunch, Kristen? But they can't help themselves. And it's just like, It's so funny that you call me, that you call me, what did you say? It's so funny that you call me

Megan Markle. It's very good Sussex. Yeah, yeah. Sussex is a title. I actually have a title. I outrank Megan and I don't think my title is my last name. That's the attitude that was coming, you think. Yeah, that's what it is. She can't even get her brags right. She can't even get her snippy bitchy flexes factually correct. Do you need a notebook to write down your insults, Meghan? Because they're not landing.

They don't make any sense, girl. It's so funny. It's like, no, nothing they're not landing. They don't make any sense, girl. It's so funny. It's like, no, nothing's funny. She's not funny. I don't think she's a funny person. She's too self-involved to be funny. To be funny, you know, you have to be able to make fun of yourself, and she is not that bitch.

She ain't the girl who's going to make fun of her. She's not telling a joke at her own expense. Yeah. No. Well, I thoroughly enjoyed you coming. I have your info. Let me put your info up here. Hold on.

Yeah, give me a follow on YouTube, guys. We talk about slams. OK, so your YouTube, what's your YouTube name? Because I have your Instagram. It's a Shallon Lester. OK, and then here's your Instagram, Shallon XO. But then give her a YouTube follow. She does lots of cool videos.

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