Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Kathy Hilton, Adam Levine’s Dm’s, Kardashians and Murder

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

Don't forget;) I am on tour! Get tickets at heathermcdonald.net  This episode is full of juice. I dive deeper into the Adam Levine cheating scandal. More models have said he DM’d them. The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills sneak peek came out last night, and I am shaking with excitement. It is much worse than I thought it would be for Kathy Hilton. The Bachelorette season came to an end… finally. Then I have Yuri Godinez, a Kardashian impressionist, give her take on the new Hulu show as each sister. And finally, Matt Murphy joins me in the studio to talk about Sherri Papini, so now we can hear a prosecutor’s opinion on the case. Netflix is coming out with a new documentary about Jeffery Dahmer. What makes a serial killer, and who is a Dirty John? Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to get exclusive Extra Juicy episodes every Friday and get all episodes of Juicy Scoop, ad-free Or get access to Extra Juicy on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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To the number one tabloid real life podcast Listen in, listen up. And a McDonald's juice. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm very excited about this show. I'm excited for you to listen to it. I've got all the juicy scoop on the updates of everything that's going on. And then I've got an exclusive interview inside the world of the Kardashians

that is absolutely explosive. And then I have inside crime with the new Justice Group favorite former prosecutor and now 2020 consultant Matt Murphy. And we're gonna talk about Jeffrey Dahmer and the new Netflix show and so much stuff and Sherry Papini update on that as well. So here we go.

First of all you guys this weekend, Chris Fendola and I are coming to the Neptune Theater, this Friday night at Seattle. I just checked with my agent, don't mean to brag, I have an agent. The very few tickets left and then we're off to Portland. So please get your tickets. I don't know when I'll be back to either one of these places.

This is a topical exclusive juicy scoop show that can never be repeated. Save just for you with Chris Van Jollis so you do not want to miss it. That's this weekend. Then I am off to October 15th during BravoCon that evening, again, very few tickets left. Almost sold out, so great.

I've got Carlos King there with all the Bravo scoop, October 15th, in New York, and then all your favorites in Vegas, October 22nd. And then of course, I've got Texas, and then I've got the East Coast in November. Heather McDolle.net. Do not miss out. Okay, let me get up to date on the Adam Levine mistress DMing dou, Dushbag, Nightmare. First of all, I wanna say, to all UGC scupers that felt the need to tell me

that I had my information wrong, the girl on TikTok literally it popped up 15 minutes before we recorded, okay? So, again, this is a podcast, a comedic podcast about pop culture and it's a topical improv conversation. So when something reminds me of something else and I go remember that story about I may not have every fricking fact, okay? I've got one little girl named Annie working here with one little phone, okay? And we're trying to get this information out to you. Adam Levine,

as you know, this girl came forward and she said, I had a relationship with Adam Levine. Here are the DMs to prove it in which she said, now I realize it was June of this summer that he re-reached out to her. They had their supposed alleged affair according to her in June in 2021 when she was much much younger and much more naive in 2021 and it's currently 2022. In June of 2022 according to her DMs and what she's claiming he reached out and said I'm having my third child with my wife and who I have two other kids with, who is a victorious secret model.

If it's a boy, I'm thinking of naming the boy after you, Sumner, which is totally worth and creepy. Then she went on and did another video and said, I do wanna say, you know, I feel badly about it. I didn't know, I realized now I was manipulated all this stuff. He then he did his own DM and said, I've crossed the line.

I never had an affair, but what I talked about with other women on DMs, on Instagram, I apologize for, and we're working together. They, he and the wife were seeing picking up the two kids together at the school, okay? Meanwhile, other people have come forward. This young girl came forward and said that he was writing her,

she shows her DMs on TikTok saying, and where he says, I shouldn't be talking to you, you know this right, right? So he knows he shouldn't be talking to you. You know this, right, right? So he knows he shouldn't be talking to her. It's flirty again, no proof of him and her bed or anything, but pretty bad. Then another girl comes out. Page Six has been real busy with this.

And she's a gorgeous girl, very tattooed, which she's obviously very into his tattoo and very proud to be a California guy. He was a rich kid who grew up in Brentwood. He's very proud of his California roots, good for him. So then this says that he contacted her. He also sent a video to her. And some of the things that has been revealed from her DMs that have been shared is that

if this is all true, alleged Adam Levine DMs, he writes, don't ever apologize for being human. She does a lot of ha ha ha. Da da da da. And then he says he's flirting with her. Then some of the other things he's like says to her, that body of yours is absurd. How are you such an hourglass? My God.

Seriously, fuck! She's like, ha-ha, she sends a photo. I may need to see that booty. Fuck! He says again, can't control himself. He says, you know, he's just flirting with her more. They talk about Mercury and the Renegade. Ha-ha, oh my God, so weird.

That shit's crazy. Ha-ha, then he goes on to tell this girl. I'm having another baby, White Feast Pregnant, and I'm having a boy, and I'm naming him Z-E-A. He will be a bad ass. So again, we don't know if they ever got together. I think he's just has a problem with the Instagram. I'm guessing if they go forward as a couple, there's going to be an assistant that just

promotes his shows when he's performing and he can never be on Instagram again. I mean, that's what I would do as the wife. I think wives like she might know that he messes around and it's only bad until the rest of the world knows about it. Now you've humiliated me, now the world knows we're not this perfect couple, that's what's so annoying. And like really on Instagram, I mean, come on you guys. And the thirst to then reveal it on TikTok, I get it, you know, it's out of control.

Um, meanwhile, this girl doesn't like the chick. Who's a Sumner? She doesn't like Sumner at all, because this chick who went on TikTok said, oh, I dated Sumner's little brother. And during that time, she hired bots to harass me. She said, stay away from my family, and she was awful. So she's not a fan of hers. Also, I heard from Nick Richie, who has a new kind of dirty type of online something called

Facts, okay? And he let me know that according to Nick Richie, that a third party approached him to possibly pay for Sumner's story. Now remember, Sumner said, the only reason I'm coming out on TikTok is to tell you that That one of my friends was gonna reveal the story to a tabloid and they were asking me for response So I'm gonna beat you to the punch and do it myself on TikTok because it was gonna be revealed anyway Well, I don't know if that's entirely true because according to this story It was being shopped around for her to be

paid to tell the story. So meanwhile Gina, the matchmaker, came on my show, her TikTok pops up and she does a stitch as well to Sumner's and says, I'm going to say something you guys might be surprised by. I know Sumner. She's a delightful 23 year old girl. She's a lovely girl that I set up with one of my rich younger guys and she was a total delight.

Then she goes on to say something kind of interesting saying you guys don't be so harsh on her. Imagine being 23, which she was at the time of this supposed affair with Adam and someone like Adam approaches you, pursues you uh... they're so magnetic they are because they have these superpowers that major movie stars and major rock stars have they have that ability to become a star and then

the so when they shine their light on you it's just undeniable and let's just see where you would be when you approach by by that. I think there's a lot of women throughout their lives that are pretty enough and lucky enough to have probably gotten together with very famous married men. Fortunately for the famous married men, there wasn't TikTok at that time. This counter reminds me of the whole Jesse James thing with Sandra Bullock, one of the greatest juicy scoop history stories ever. Not great for Sandra Bullock, but just like mind blowing because they were this couple and she was America's sweetheart, Beauty Queen, and he was this rough around the edges, but hardest soul, you know,

long beach former kind of gang type of guy that really was handy and like could fix motorcycle. I don't know. And he was cheating on her crazy with all these different porn stars and they'd come to his garage and have sexual amounts couch and it all came out on in touch back when you had to actually buy the magazine and read it. These girls didn't have tick tox to make money. These girls didn't have tick-tocks to make money. These girls didn't have only fans. They had to actually drive to Long Beach to get laid by someone's famous husband.

So, you know, all the way through the snow of Long Beach trekking a lot to get any kind of receipts that they actually were having contact with a famous person. Now Now these girls can just lay in bed, DM, couple, horny, married, famous people, screen grab it, save it for a rainy day, decide, you know what? I've been stuck at 280,000 followers on TikTok for about three months now. Time I bring out that time Adam Levine DM to me and told me about his son that was coming along the way. I'd like to top it over to 300. Listen, I'm a thirsty bitch. You guys see me, you saw me beg to get to 300 on Instagram. I'm very close to 300 on TikTok. Who do I need to, who do I need to fuck? Or DM to get to 300,000 on TikTok people. Also, I'm 8,000 away from YouTube. So, um, looks like someone needs to either approach me

or I need to approach someone else and then spill the beans just so I can top my numbers. It's hard out here being a thirsty influencer. Um, very interesting. And then of course, Emily Ratakowski. Ratakowski. She's the model who was cheated on by her husband and she's always got paparazzi taking photos of her. And now she weighs in saying the husband is to blame, but also the other. I don't even know. Everyone's to say is that just the husband, husband is the number one to blame, but also if you're the girl cheating, you should blame because you can, you know, what I said, you can just Google and know that they're married.

There you go. But listen, my prediction is Emily's gonna have a podcast. It's coming out, I know it. And it's gonna be called Model Behavior. And she's, it's gonna, the first few, probably first eight episodes will be about cheating, infidelity, getting over it. She's going to have therapists on about it.

She's going to have former mistress. She's going to have people that are recovered, cheaters. That's what her show is going to be about. Prediction. Ding, ding, ding. OK. Real housewives of Beverly Hills, my mind is blown.

I'm recording this on Wednesday. So by this time, you'll have watched the whole episode. The sneak peak, which is a few minutes long, came out last night and I am shaking. It is all the women on the private jet leaving Aspen missing one person Kathy. And they all are talking in the plane as well as doing their interviews and their beautiful outfits Giving their testimony to what happened that night at the caribou club We now know that according to Sutton she said Kathy wanted to do the Congolene and Nobody wanted to do the Congolene and she got very upset by that and she said

Sutton if you don't do the Congolene and she got very upset by that and she said, Sutton, if you don't do the Congolene with me, then you've got to leave with me. If you don't leave with me, then you're not my friend. Then she said to Kyle, Kyle, you better leave with me. Kyle was like, no, I don't want. Then Lisa Rennah offered to take her home, and they live in the Sprinter the sprinter van and that is

when Lisa Rena says she freaked out said horrible things and you see Lisa Rena say this she was furious and she said I'm gonna take down bravo I'm gonna take down NBC maybe she even threatened about peacock I don't know but she was ready to take down everything very Very upset. And then she went on to say, I'm going to take to Kyle, is the way I made Kyle. Kyle has what she has because of me. And I'm going to take down Kyle's family and really lashing out at Kyle, which now makes sense because we've seen previous before where it's Kyle, Kathy, and Lisa Renna being the witness to this behavior, kind of being like, I don't understand the anger towards your sister.

Have it come out. I've also heard rumors from the reunion that Kyle really takes the fall and protects Kathy because there's a wedding coming up. I think Kyle's daughter is getting married and she obviously wants all her family and the niece is there. This just goes so deep when it comes to sisters and I mean I could talk forever about it. I want to watch the whole episode and think about it more. But I mean I believe this happened.

I truly believe this happened and I just think Kathy is like probably lashing out thinking why the fuck did I go on this show they've probably been asking her from day one I know it they've been asking her from day one when they got cat Kyle and Cam they wanted the three of them but then other people said no they only wanted the two of them because they felt the three would be too much of them now I told you the three of them were trying to get their own show. So, whether Kathy was never asked or Kathy chose to stay behind and then 10 years later was like, you know what, maybe this will be fun. I have a new face.

My daughter got married. People are loving me. Maybe I'm ready to show my quirky funny side. But she's also been married forever, very rich, very entitled, and might also have a temper that her friends and people around her never see. So just because someone was nice to you doesn't mean that they can treat their siblings different. As someone who has a serial sister, I certainly have been lashed out, lashed out at too many times to count. So I, but other times that can happen and sisters get back together and but you know they've also had their big breaks and you

know it's very much whatever happened to baby Jane and cathy and kim really had the more lusterous careers and maybe they feel kyle got to like have a more fun normal childhood and kyle is now the biggest star of the three of them they were so jealous when kyle sold her shoulder a bc about their life and it's just it's so much which but is what is my favorite part about being a real housewise fan is the deep, deep relationships

especially when it involves siblings or sister-in-laws like New Jersey or the manzoes and all of that. It's what it was built on and it's like so so good. Yeah, I got chills from that. Okay, the bachelor rut I barely, I barely watched. It was two girls a huge mistake. Jesse Palmer, such a boring awful host. Anyway, the one girl Gabby with her voice like this, she's on yes, he went to stars and she's really happy because she did follow love. There was only one guy left at the end and they got engaged and it was really hard but it was really special.

Anyway, it came out, someone got his yearbook and he made an unfortunate mistake of going as Jimmy Hendrix to a Halloween party in high school and they got a photo of it and he is blackface. And she's on dance, he went to stars and they were gonna grow from it. Oh my God.

Then the other girl, she got a guy and she was all happy about it. And then while they were engaged and watching the show and being secretive, he went to a bar and ran into a girl that he used to date before he went on the show and he made out with her and Was dumb enough to tell the girl. What's the other girls name?

Gabby and Rachel he goes on to tell Rachel So then Rachel has him come over and go to the Airbnb in LA and they we film it and he has his notebook there And he says Rachel you said you didn't want to wear the ring anymore you said if we break up what I want to be the bachelor and I said no and you're constantly like it sounds to me that she was kind of a nightmare and while they were engaged and dating but had to be separate due to their contracts and watching her date other people all the insecurities Were bubbling up and actually she was more insecure than he and was probably constantly telling him that she wanted to break up or wasn't sure

and At one point he went to a bar and got drunk and made out with this girl and then told her about it He wanted to still stay together, but at that point she was like, what, I'm so confused, you're gaslighting me, you're gaslighting me, he's like, hi, anyway, they broke up and at the end, her runner up came up and now she's dating him. You absolutely missed nothing this season.

I don't know, I think the show's in trouble. I think it's me because the run it's course. All right, you guys, remember Heather McDoll.net, for all of my dates, as well as Patreon, so juicy. And I'm going to put some extra episodes up this weekend to just fill you guys in on what it really is like to be on the road with Justin and Chris. Anyway, so here we go with a very special interview.

Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm very excited to speak to a hilarious impressionist that I found the queen of the Kardashians. You've probably seen her on Instagram and TikTok. Yuri, Godinez, I'm very excited to have you on here. I came across you for a while and I'm so glad I reached out how you doing. I'm doing good. Thank you on here. I came across you for a while and I'm so glad I reached out. How are you doing?

I'm doing good. I thank you so much for having me. I am a huge fan of your podcast and your YouTube videos. I love juicy scoop. It's amazing. So I'm very honored to be here with you. You're so sweet. Well, you're absolutely beautiful.

You have black hair. I big chocolate eyes. So in doing the Kardashians, it's really great because you do all of them and each voice is so different and you really capture their essence. But then you look like them. Like you look like you could be one of the sisters. So it ain't really good.

Yeah, so I think that's also what helps sometimes with an impression. If you kind of resemble the person, oftentimes when someone's a really good impression is too, they just embody them so much that you're like, oh my God, your face sort of changed. So how did you start to do impressions and how did this all begin because you're quite the sensation? Thank you. So I want to say this started about a year ago, March 2021 is when I made my very first Kardashian parody. And before that, I had always been told that I sound like the Valley girl. I never knew what that meant because I'm born and raised here in Florida.

I never knew what a valley girl meant And I'm like, what does that mean? And they say, well, you know, I'm you know, I'm a valley girl Yeah, so a real valley girl like born Ray still here. Yes, so that's so funny Yeah, yeah, and I'm like, I don't know. I've never I've been to California like one time and I would get that a lot and then Through that I got I would get that a lot and then through that I got I would get a couple of you know little people telling me that I kind of sound like the Kardashians and I love the Kardashians by the way like I've always watched their Keeping Up and now I love their brand new YouTube their Hulu series. So I just wanted to see if I could actually

do it and I think what I'm really good at is capturing their mannerisms. So when I feel like that's a lot of it, and then once you can get that, the voice kind of just comes with it. And that's how it started. And I was like, oh my God, I think I can actually do this.

And then as you saw, I was a hit on TikTok. And I kept doing it, I kept doing it. And I feel like I'm getting better. And now I like, I study them. Like I kept doing it. And I feel like I'm getting better. And now I study them. I almost feel like every time I watch them, I study their mannerisms and their octaves when they go high and low and their tones. And it became like a science to me,

but I love them and that's kind of how it evolves. I do a lot of impressions too. And everybody does them different and sometimes someone does it and then people sometimes copy that impression like, oh I never thought of doing that person or whatever. And it's all great because I feel like everybody does something different or someone really gets the voice down perfectly but someone else who does do the voice that great can come up with funny or stuff.

And I like the way you cut it and have the two girls talking to each other. You know, the sisters like shaking their shouts salads and just having a convo. And I saw that you did get the fancy bockarot, Chris and Kylie beautiful PR kit, which I did not receive. Those days are gone. But how did they discover you and how did you get in their good graces besides doing them. So I think in a very funny, flattering way. Thank you. Well, I definitely love the card I actually. And so I am so grateful that I'm in their good graces.

And every time I do a parody in my opinion, I do not really focus on things that are very negative or like their actual traumas. You know, I really kind of mimic their mundane conversations of irrelevant things and how it's just dramatized on television for yeah for this show and I think that's how I was able to do it but I just love them and this is actually the first PR kit that I got from Kylie Cosmetics and I've been told so who was I think it was Kim Douglas

Kim Douglas's friends with Chris Jenner. Oh yeah, yeah, she's great. Yeah, and I think I'm pretty sure she kind of showed Chris Jenner some of my videos. And I had someone had told me like on Instagram that they just got my videos, got to sick, and he thinks I'm really funny. And then it was about two or three Instagram posts,

videos, apperities, Chloe Kardashian actually commented on them. So I think she really like kind of brought me into like their chat or whatever, and then Kim has reposted one of my videos, and Courtney has also reposted one of my videos. So I think I don't really know exactly when they found out about me,

but I think that they are really good at, they're like hard-to-jokes and they take it very well. And I love that. Yeah, I mean, I always said that in the early days of Chelsea, like they just were always so down for like, when we would do impressions and parodies of them and everything. And so, and I even think more than ever, they're like in on the joke now and are like, you know, who cares. So, let's get into it. So, I have some questions for all the girls in which you're going to answer them.

If I had the opportunity to interview all, one, two, three, four, five, six of, that's the five girls and the mama, Chris. So here we go. We're gonna start out, let's start out with Courtney first, because a lot of people are talking about this. I am here with Courtney, Kardashian, Courtney. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

I think everybody just wants to know after your latest post. Are you pregnant? No, I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. So, the lemmy gummies, are there any prenatal lemmy gummies that you are hawking to get people to maybe get pregnant or get yourself pregnant? I really think that there's some science that will develop and it'll be just gluten free. So stay tuned. I love that.

And I also love that you're such a caring mother about your kids' health and you recently did an interview where you reviewed that poor Mason has not been able to have french fries for a year. How do you see the future of his fry ordering happening? Yeah. There's fries that aren't filled with disgusting chemicals and can indulge in a sugar-free, gluten-free, taste-free, sweet potato. Yeah. I love that. My favorite fries are sweet potato fries.

I don't know why we only discovered them like eight years ago, so good for you. Yeah. Okay, now I'm so happy that Kim's in the room. I have some questions for Kim. Ugh, my girl, Kimmy. What a couple of weeks you've had with your ex-co-parenting delight, Kanye. How do you feel about the whole school? Are you going to take them out of their present school and put them into a Donda University or what? Don De University or what? You know, I think Kanye is very driven.

You know, but you know, I don't really know if that's something for my kids, but it's a conversation. Yeah. I love that. I think you guys are really making some strides. Now, how is the law school going? I don't know, you passed the baby bar, but now we're... I mean, I don't even know how you have the time to make the flashcards. What's happening? Yeah, so I passed my baby bar everyone. And, you know, I'm about two more years left. So I really think in about seven or eight years, I'll be right there with the lawyers and the doctors. Oh, speaking of lawyers and doctors, you're recently, I think, on James Corden looking

very spelt, very skinny. I like the new bodies you guys are doing. But who are you going to date now? You've done the Pete Davidson thing. You've done the skinny tattooed guy. You've done the rapper. You've done the professional football player. You've done your first husband was also into music. So who do you see yourself dating next, Kim?

You know, I really think I want to get into the N NASA and the astronauts. And the really geeky science, you know, science breaks, I think it'll be really cool. And I'm just DTF. Oh my gosh, Kim, I actually really love that because that is a whole area that nobody's touched upon in your family. As far as significant others are people from space,

would you ever consider like a full-blown, different species? Like an alien type of person, because obviously we're eventually gonna have to, you know, you guys are probably gonna start building a community on Mars. I'm sure like a cute cul-de-sac for all the case. So with that, is are you open to someone that's not human? You know, I would really be down for that.

And I'm really excited about Mars. I think we can find some anti-aging supplements or things there. Yeah. It's so great. I see that Chloe just came in from HealthNet. Hi Chloe. Hi, doll. I just, I feel like Chloe, um, no offense to you, Chloe, but I always just feel like you really, um, have a lot of opinions about your sisters and you really don't share that

much about yourself. So I'm going to go right to just asking you about your sisters and how do you feel about Kim's new purchase of her beautiful $70 million dollar Malibu mansion? I love Kimberly. I think she's great, but she wants to buy Cindy Crawford's old home. That's totally fine babe. Whatever Kimberly wants, I just want her to be happy

if that makes sense. It totally makes sense. And you're such a giving sister. I just asked your sister Kim about who she wants to date. Who do you think she should date next? I just want him to be happy. So I think the astronaut thing is totally great. Whatever she wants to be.

Totally about her happiness. I am just here for Kimberly. You know, Chloe, you really have one of the most successful businesses of the sisters. Good American. I see it everywhere in Nordstrom. People swear by it. Did it bother you that your sister, Courtney, did a collab with a whole

another clothing company called Boohoo? Was it Boohoo or Boo Boo? I think it's Boo Boo. Okay. I actually have never seen the collection and whatever Courtney wants us to do, it's totally fine. Good American will always be sustainable. And Courtney missed out on a great opportunity.

I totally, totally agree. Yeah. Oh, your mom, Chris, just came in. Hi, Chris. How are you? You look great. Hi, Dawn. So good to see you. So many people are asking about, obviously, you went on James Gordon. You took a lie detector test saying that you did not participate in the sale of sex tape. We've heard from Ray Jay. I personally don't really think you orchestrated it.

I think maybe there was some stuff on their part that might have been a little manipulated, but I just want to ask you yourself, like, it says, it bothers you that people still think that you somehow are in the editing bay picking out the best clips of your daughter having sex with Ray J. Absolutely. I cannot imagine as the mother that somebody could do that. It's just insane, doll. I have no idea how this happened, and I really have no idea what's going on.

I know, that makes so much sense, because you never really know what's going on in your daughter's lives. But, so what is your plan to deal with Rage? He's really turned out to be not the delightful ex-boyfriend we all thought he was. Not really, you know, we thought he was a team player and now he just wants to play on a different team. Like that's not part of the contract.

So we might have to just sue. Hey, what do you think? Um, I mean, I think it's definitely a violation. I would never include them in another Christmas party again for sure, Chris. You don't need that. Absolutely. And there's so many other nicer ex-boyfriends floating around that you can still include in your life. So, I say, yeah, dump that. Not nice. Not so easily. I can only handle one Scott Disick in my life.

And you're such a great ex-mother-in-law to Scott Disick and Lamar, everybody. You are the greatest ex-mother-in-law to all these boys. And I've always said that. Is that something that you really take pride in? Absolutely. I am a manager, but I am a mother first, always still. As long as it's 10%, I'm the mother. Absolutely. Now, Chris, I'm here talking to your favorite daughter, Kylie. And I know why she's the favorite because she is the richest. And I think that's completely fair. Any mother that has numerous children, their favorite is the richest.

So, and you and Kylie just did your great collab, which I love. But Kylie, I need to ask you. Hi, I love your new collab. It's so beautiful the packaging. Thank you. I love it. And we love stormy, but when will we ever find out what your son's name is? We still are deciding on a name. Okay. So we call him like different things like a million or a billion. Oh that's cute. Yeah and one day maybe we'll just sit on a name. I thought maybe it would come out like you know like for the Hulu second season premiere something like that you may be work a PR, move about it.

But now at this point, I'm going to guess that maybe you're going to wait to announce the name once you do a makeup collab with your own son. Is that something you guys are working on? Ooh, that would be amazing. I love that idea Heather. Do you have any upcoming collabs with people in the future? I do. My next one is with Stormi. I love her. Yeah. Yeah, Stormy does have such a vibe. I mean, she really is, I think she might be.

That's right. I mean, I think she might be the cutest one, but you didn't hear me say that. What is Stormy's next birthday party theme gonna be? Because you throw the most epic parties for her. She's really into makeup right now. Shocking. Only six but it's time already. So more like a Kylie cosmetics party with cocktails. Yeah. With baby cocktails, with cocktails. Ooh.

Yeah, with baby cocktails and adult cocktails and a lot of makeup, baby makeup and adult makeup. I like it. I don't know why more parents aren't doing that, quite honestly. Probably a lot of balloons too. I'm assuming. I love it. And Kendall, hello Kendall.

Gosh, sometimes I feel we don't talk to you enough. But how you doing Kendall? I'm good, I'm doing so good. I'm actually doing like literally, like actually doing amazing, like so, so good. Like, it probably never felt better. I'm probably doing better than everybody else. Like, that's how good I'm feeling. Oh my gosh, that's great to hear.

I mean, you two are the entrepreneur. You, along with 20s or 47 other celebrities, have your own tequila, 818, which is very dear to my heart because I am a born and raised 818 or just like you, Kendall, till me die. And recently you got a lot of free press out of the drama that's happening over on Beverly Hills. They all went to Aspen and Lisa Rena referred to you as her friend. And she said, let me try some of my friend Kendall Kendall Jenner's 818-Takila, which really pissed off Kathy Hilton.

How long have you and Lisa Renne been friends for? Well, you know, we talk all the time on DMs. I've never really actually met her. I probably don't know exactly what she looks like, but I think I've heard the name. Okay. And I'm pretty sure she's been in my DMs. Maybe maybe mainly a more one-sided conversation, but I'm not really, I'm

really not sure. I'm so busy traveling the world, you know, doing modeling stuff. You know, if she says she's my friend, I totally believe her. I think she's a great person. Her name sounds great. And yeah, I think she's probably a good person, if that's what she says, I will totally believe, you know, just whatever she says. Well, I just realized that her daughter, Amelia, dated your former brother-in-law,

even though they were never married, Scott Disick. Do you remember that when Scott Disick was dating Amelia Gray? How old is she? She's 20, so they broke up like a couple months ago. I might remember that. I might remember that she was a very nice girl and she's very sweet. I might owe. I might owe. Anyway, Lisa Reddough, I freaking love that to kill her. You know, she, um, your tequila is great. I mean, I still have to try it. Kendall, but I will try it. And, and who are you dating now? I can't keep track. Aren't you with a basketball

player or something? Yeah, and I love, I love basketball. Something that, that, uh, people really don't know about me is that I love sports. It's like I watch sports all the time. I can't remember which basketball team he's on. I really can't remember his number or any of his teammates' players' numbers. I really don't remember where he plays or who he plays for. But I love basketball. I watch it all the time. Like me and my friends, we spent a Friday night and we opened up my big screen, movie theater, just to watch the game. You know, crack open some beers.

I don't know the name of any beers right now. But, and also, eight one eight, you know, and eight one eight is amazing. And it is probably one of the best, most authentic, most genuine tequila's out there. There's nothing in the world that tastes like it. It probably genuinely, no actually, it's probably the best. Yeah, well, in the words of Lisa Rena, she said,

woof, woof, sweet, sweet, so sweeter to kill out like that. Yeah, it might be kind of sweet, but I don't know, I've never really tried it myself, but I definitely think it's the best thing out there. Gosh, you are a great spokesperson. And you're such a guy's girl. I can tell you loving sports and stuff, you're just such a casual down to earth girl.

I'm probably the most literally actually relatable person out here. I love just the simple things, chill day, you know, in my Maserati or in my G-Wagon. Just, you know, reading a book that I probably even buy. Yeah, while I'm driving and I get driven to places too, you know, when I don't feel like driving that. And, you know, reading a book that probably was sent to me in the mail, just to read and wearing my $2,000 Balenciaga jeans is extremely relatable.

I love the simple things. Totally, totally. I love that about you. Well, I'm so excited about your family. And when does the Hulu show come out this week? I can't really remember I would ask my mom because I'm out, you know, probably just watching, you know, just doing chill fun stuff I want to say it September 22nd exclusively on hulu Well, why don't we just bring Chris back to end this and she can do it for all the details. Can you just?

Yeah, mom Okay Why don't we just bring Chris back to end this and she can do it for all the details. Can you just tell me real quick? Okay. Hi, Chris. Hi, Chris. Can you just tell all the juicy scoopers when they can watch the show? Oh my gosh. Yes. We are going to be exclusively on Hulu.

Everybody can't sell their Netflix account because they're going down sweeties. And it's going to be on Hulu on September 22nd. 9 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, 12 a.m. The next day, Eastern Standard Time babe. I love it. I love it. So good girl. Now we're back to the original. Oh Thank you. That was so fun. I love doing improvs. I knew you'd kill it Really great. I'm glad that you're so funny too. Like I'm gonna take some of your jokes. Well, I love the Kardashians too. I talk a lot about them, whatever they're in the news. I like that they are just an interesting bunch of people. And I love that they love your talent.

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It's Yuri Lamasbeya. Go ahead and follow me there. There's tons of new content coming out, especially for the season. I get inspired every single day by the Kardashians, so stay tuned for all the new content. Thank you so much for having me. You're so funny, I love GC's Goob. I love everything you're doing. It's amazing. You're so pretty.

Thank you. Good luck. I really appreciate you coming on. I'm excited to see all be following you and just enjoy you so much. And you're a young mother too, right? You have a little child. Yeah, my son is, yeah, my son's a year. He's so cute. Yeah, once in a while he gets featured a little bit as like a baby cast member, which I love. Yeah. I love your back. I love your back. I love your back. I love your back. I love your back. I love your back.

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a couple months ago. That was actually a couple months ago. That was actually a lot of fun. I doubled my Instagram following. So you are very popular. Thank you. A lot of really nice comments, although there was somebody that weighed in and was like, that guy talks way too much.

So there are a couple people always. Yeah. There's a couple people that watch me show every week that hate me. It just happens. I don't know what to tell you. Internet's, it's ruthless. It's a hard place, but 99% of the comments are actually very, very close. 99% are always nice.

We're going to get into a bunch of juicy topics, but I wanted to get your thoughts as a prosecutor. How do you feel about the whole Sherry Papini story? My audience is very up on everything. I'm obsessed with anyone faking a crime for attention. What are, she just got 18 months. What are your thoughts on it? Well, it's awful, right. And I think 18 months is just about right. I was worried that they weren't going to, that she wasn't going to do any time. This is one of those things, the amount of resources that she wasted. The Sheriff's Department in her county actually did a phenomenal job of tracking the whole thing down, but her story when she showed up, and of course, it's this ex-boyfriend that she goes and hangs

out with an Huntington Beach. But they came and they blamed, they tried to throw shade on the sheriff's department who had done everything right you mean her defense team or yeah and that was I thought that was how are they turned shade on them oh there was something like you know the the sheriff's should have you know if they if they put this together faster maybe the resources won't win away so some sort of common like that oh my god god. Yeah. Oh my god. And so, you know, her lead council, I was actually impressed with the job he did,

and she could have done more than 18 months certainly, so, but it's just a, it is a horrific way of resources. It's narcissism on the highest level, and this is a woman that that absolutely deserves to take that hit and I think that um yeah that 18 that 18 months in prison is well deserved. What I'm dying to know and I don't know that will ever know but I'm hoping we will is for the husband to do the tell all her husband because it's like were you thinking for the 18 days that she was missing i mean

your wife's kidnapped for eighteen days i pretty much would be like she's dead i mean i had i don't know you have two little kids and you're trying to tell them not that their mom is dead but like oh mommy's gone i just tell to to to to to for all that and in any of that did he know that she's kind of wacky and did he ever think could this be some weird trick that she pulled or was he you know not up until seven months ago thinking this whole time she was kidnapped and then like what did she tell like i was talking about it on the

other show and i was like did she say that she was actually being sex trafficked by the two Latino women or She was just trapped and being left with the very little eat like what was her story? Yeah, like what was she telling the cops? What was she telling her husband? I know the cops were always like very suspicious from the start and that's why we never heard But they did do that one interview. The husband did the one interview where he was like, it's disgusting that people don't believe her and you should have seen her and they were like, be prepared because her hair is all chopped up, but she's very thin and so at that time, because

right from the start people doubted her, people that knew her from high school and stuff were like coming on the internet, but I heard the husband and I was like, God, people do get, you know, I always think of the poor girl, the Mormon girl that was kidnapped by the guy that did handy work. What was her name? Elizabeth Mark. And there were times that people thought, the dad did it and did it. And she really was just kidnapped by like pretty much of a stranger, you know, like, and so I was like, God, you know, this stuff does happen. And then, um, but I mean, when it all, it was one of those days, there's just certain news that like gets me like tingly with excitement that I was like, Oh, my God, it was all bullshit.

She is an attention whore. Yeah. Now what's interesting about that. So ABC had me study up on that, and I did it through Good Morning America, we're coming up. When you look at him in the whole true crime concept, okay, so-

When you look at who the husband or the boyfriend to look at the husband, you watch his interview and that's what sort of, and nobody got hurt on this, right? So that's why it can be sort of a fun thing to talk about. Like look at this crazy woman who did this. So this poor set-sup has married to this woman, has kids with her, he thinks she's dead.

And when you look at forensic science, all the advancements that we've made, the most important thing that we still have and figuring out what happened is that gum shoe gut that you were talking about. And everybody has that. And you can watch that video of that husband and figure that out for yourself like and I think he was a total innocent. I don't think and I think she walked in the door and cried and

he thinks that his wife is dead. Yeah, he is probably going through the and that's the worst thing anybody can go through right. So what do you love has been murdered kidnapped and murdered is the worst thing and now he's got kids he's got to explain it to and meanwhile what's really happening is she's banging her ex-boyfriend and honey to be a jerk. Well now is she banging him or not because he said he was kind of a sad sack, sorry. Not some like hot Facebook love that like you re-hooked up with. He was just kind of an average dude.

Average money, average job, not rich at all. And he said that they didn't but then there was dna on her underwear of his but it wasn't like sperm dna what is your knowledge of that well uh... i know that when she was uh... you know the emails ahead of time it was basically like i'm gonna leave my husband go with you right i was so there was definitely a romantic element to it and maybe maybe they didn't i don't know he could be another victim but that's kind of weird is like she shows up and I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help but I can't help He didn't have, you know, he wasn't a doctor. He had like, kind of just an average job.

And she came and was like, remember us? And there was some information where he was sending information back and forth of their time together. And then I think she sort of said, we're going to do this plan. I think he just got to kind of wrap into it. And pretty much cooperated right from the start once he was kind of caught. So that shows these like kind of a good person, you know.

And then he said like I would come home and like she wasn't eating much and then all of a center hair is chopped and then she sends me to a hobby lobby and I'm like it was so, I mean it was so crazy but it's like yeah I think that in her weird world of being like this pretty girl, sometimes pretty people can be really fucked up because life, you are pretty first. No, no, no, I've dated, I've dated, I think every crazy pretty woman in all of Los Angeles.

Dr. Drew talks about it. It's like a whole nother thing that hasn't, I think this can be a really interesting thing to explore like the pretty privilege that can happen. And for some people, they appreciate it and they use it and they don't abuse it. And then other people think it's come so easy to them that then, and then they like, get angry that like,

oh, you only like me because I was pretty. And in their brain, they see things in a different like worldview. And they can immediately charm people so easily because they literally do have charming eyes and a charming smile. And what talk about the pretty privilege? You're like,

I've seen that, the hot crazy matrix. You ever seen that on YouTube? It's a police officer, oh my gosh, that's great. It's like, he has this hole, it's got this graph where it's like, the hotter she is, the crazier she is. Yeah, and if she's rational and smart and nice, and beautiful, capture her for science because that's a unicorn, does that exist?

It's really fun, I'm not doing it, just it's all like. It's the hot crazy matrix, and you can YouTube it. But as a prosecutor, when you talk about that, what is your, when you're saying? Oh, I understand like what's your give me some examples or explain it well. I can tell you I mean for one thing when you're selecting a jury You got to be very careful about like the closer you get from a

Prosecution standpoint to people who live in the real world the better you're gonna be like you want you want people that are Blue collar or on the edge of blue collar, like nurses are great because they're, that's reality. And they also see all kinds of people. They see all kinds of people. Funny enough, you wouldn't think so because a lot of them start out as kind of your,

you know, liberal, whatever that means. Social workers. Yeah. Like they start out wanting to save the world, the older social workers have been in every dirty house, and there's no fooling them on anything as they've seen it all. You know, there's, so when it comes to beautiful people,

men or women who have a lot of money, and for Orange County, it's always a new port. That was them. Like a beautiful woman from Newport who didn't work, was the most likely to indulge the craziest defense theory. And I hope I'm not offending anybody by saying this, but it's true. Those are the problem jurors.

Like forget about it. Wait, wait, wait. You mean you don't want that person, a defense attorney wants that person, but a prosecutor doesn't, because that girl will believe the crazy defense theory. The farther disconnected they are from the actual world. Oh, got it.

The more likely, like, if they read a lot and they're rich and they're super hot, you know, you've got to... When I was coming through training, there's Scott Chris Evans, who is a genius. He was like Yoda, this guy. And he would... He came in and he's like yoda this guy and he would uh... he came in and he's like look uh... you're as as young guys pulled like me in three or four of the of the man of our our crew that in our training class aside he goes look

you know beautiful women are going to be sitting in your jury and he has in and the defense lawyer is going to come over the old guys and then elba you know i'm going to be mad if you kick your number six ha ha like hey you know what I mean? Let's look at her. He's what they're really doing is they are, that is a defense juror. Oh my God.

And they know it and you gotta be really careful about that. And you can be a beautiful woman. I mean, we see this all the time. Beautiful one who has an actual job in the world and like exists and understands people. He's like, if they're rich and they're hot, be very, very careful. And now I got that, that was probably my third day in training.

If they're rich at a hot, but they don't have a career. Right. Got it. Because that sort of privilege, like, because it was given into them, either they're born into it or they married it or both. I dated somebody who is famous,

who I won't say who it is, but she was like reality show famous. This is 20 years ago. And when she went to the White House She got to meet the president like that's you know like that's the type of thing that's like hot check privilege Right you go you go places and and you know Secret Service agent saw our polar out of her tour and it's like you want to meet the president and Like that's the that's that's that that's that world. I that's like, and I think if you go through life like that and, and you're not working, and she, and she, that didn't apply to her, like she was actually very intelligent,

she was, she was an attorney, not that I'm extra smart, but, but she was, you know, you hear stories like that, and you, just a few of those ingredients with wealth and the privilege and the disconnection from that, like, give me an emergency room nurse 10 out of 10 times and she, she'll figure it out. Even if, if you're wrong as the prosecutor, they'll figure it out. Like, if you're right, you can't, right, she's gonna get it right. That woman will get it right. Or that man who's a nurse or like, blue collar, you know, woman with a pop eye tattoo on her

arm, she's gonna get it right that those they are those are the best jurors like the people that are reality so uh... but yeah yet this woman cherry peony uh... eighteen months to sit in stew i think that's well you know i

i did a podcast on a case a long time ago and it was one of my favorite date lines. It was called The Secrets of Silver Lake. And it was, I don't know if it's Keith Morrison or not, but it was one of my favorites. And it was this area where they built these houses around this lake, kind of like somewhere like in Linsan, Diego. I don't know. So it was kind of blue collar, but like young people do you know the story no so

this guy like this guy in scroll got married and got together quite young she didn't you know and then they had a couple kids and then he worked on these like railroad things and he was kind of hot and anyone he was found killed like shot one day working and turned out she had this affair with this guy who was a young fireman. She was selling, she's not selling what she was doing the Costco samples, but he was a rookie, so he'd have to go to Costco all the time to get all the food for the fireman. And so they started having an affair, but then they like broke up and whatever. Anyway, he was caught, he definitely killed him.

So then the whole thing was she in on it. And as fascinated by the story, and it was like, you know, she was calling her husband before, it was the day before school started, and she was calling him before, hey babe, may I do that, Lasagna, you're coming, you know? And I always say about those voicemail messages, like go to the phone and then the person knew

no one's ever gonna respond, but like, oh, once they hear these messages, I'm gonna sound like such a sweet loving wife. Anyway, she went through the whole thing and she was really pretty, pretty blonde girl. And so I was obsessed with it. And then it turned out that my sister's friend was her defense attorney. So I had her come on the show and she was trying to do like an appeal. It didn't work out.

She's still trying to appeal it. She got convicted. She did get convicted. But I honestly really think she's innocent for a couple reasons. One is I don't think you'd plan the murder of your husband the day before at the school year starts. Just as a mom, I just don't think you would do that. There's too much work to do.

There's too much work to do. There's too much that would throw it off. I think you would be like, if you were really going to do it, you'd be like, can you do it like July 5th? Give us six weeks. I'm just, that was one thing. And the other part was, she, I believe, was extremely low IQ, maybe special needs, but undiagnosed because she was pretty.

Interesting. Like, she didn't finish high school. And then I talked to some of her, so then when I did this thing, some of her relatives were like, called me and was like, thank you and we're trying, you know, she really didn't know what this guy was doing and they were like, swingers.

So almost like the husband kind of knew about it and the relationship was broken. It was such a juicy story. And, but when you watch the date line on it, you were totally convinced she was this huszy that was involved. But I was like, I think sometimes people think that too about a pretty girl that she couldn't be like

special needs. She's just a pretty blonde who's super sexual manipulative. You know what I mean? Well, Keith Morrison says that I pretty much believe whatever comes out of his mouth. Well, I think that voice. He's the world's nicest guy, but like he's really, really cool.

I think that like if I was the, and I told the cousin or whatever, but when I was on the phone, I go, I think if you have another chance of any kind of appeal, I think that she should be seen by someone that's going to really test her intelligence, because that's always a defense that's used for men, that they're like, oh my God, he had an IQ of whatever. And I don't think people think to like test these women's iq so she went on for first first you remember yeah okay so yeah and she's still a financial gain or no not really no

and she always said like she didn't know and they had these phone calls taped but like if you would have listened to it on the defense side it could and you if you're going on the defense, I knowing that she was like really kind of dumb, like then you would believe that she was like, okay, oh no, you know, because you'd be like,

are they asking anything yet? And she'd be like, no, no one's asking anything yet. But then for the prosecutor's side, it looked like, oh good, no, no, they haven't asked anything yet. Like it could all be, it was, but she was a pretty person. So going back to the Sherry Papini. Um, I just can't imagine like her parents. I mean, I just had my son not answer his phone

in his dorm for from nine until 2 a.m. We were pinging it because it showed it was the storm and we were pinging it and he still wasn't waking up. I mean from nine to I did like your frantic I was like I don't think I can sleep yeah and so I can't imagine going through something like that for I think how many weeks was she gone I want to say like five weeks or something like that and then and what was the deal ultimately it was that she just she was bored with her life or what would what do you think? Her reason was, I think she, I think she was one of those girls that then convinced the guy that the husband is awful. And yeah, I want to know more about what she really told. And then what happened after? And like, I would love

to see the movie or the interview of when the husband, that dramatic moment of the movie where all of a sudden the husband sees some type of clue or she says or does something where he's like, wait a minute. Just a cringy moment, right? Yeah, wait a minute. I feel sorry for him.

I really do. Yeah. I feel sorry for him. I really do. Yeah, I mean. And I guess she's living with his sister. So like the family, surrounding family, still somehow has sympathy for her. And probably because she's pretty. Yeah, I think that. I don't know.

You know, my first couple of weeks, I had a, I had a guy that ran out into traffic. He was a, he was a little dopper. I can't remember if he talked about this last one. No. But so, so basically we get into, I'm, I'm looking at the guys who chased him. So it's a, it's a dope motel. He's like early 20s and he's a, he's a little druggy and he rips off another drug dealer or whatever.

And he, he runs and he runs out on a harbor boulevard and gets run over. Okay, and he gets killed. So I dealer or whatever and he runs and runs out on a harbor boulevard and gets run over okay and he gets killed so i'm looking at the other guys and i went into my boss lou reos and blooms office and he was so wise right like i had an actual mentor and he said sympathy and i said i feel really bad for this guy you know and we're not going to be able to charge any of these other guys because who's going to foresee that he's going to run out into traffic right and i And I said, I feel really bad. He goes, you know what? And this is my first week maybe in the homicide unit.

And he goes, sympathy is like money in a bank. He goes, you only have so much and you need to be very careful who you make with draw for. And he said, you're going to be dealing with cases involving little kids and people that are totally innocent. And if you take a sympathy with draw for that guy, you're going to burn out in two years. And so the best advice I ever got. I do think about people in your work and police officers and all of that, you know, so different from the way I live my

daily life, just like watching housewives and making jokes. Like I don't know, I don't know, I think you really, it's amazing. And I think that's why sometimes people compartmentalize or have a hard time with their personal life or whatever because it is such a mental mind-screw, I can imagine. Yeah, well, you know what's funny about that is it's not even the, when you're working those cases,

you get used to the stuff you see pretty quickly. And I mean, you see a lot, you see, for me, I mean, maggots were something that always kind of got me, but in the autops see pretty quickly. And I mean, you see a lot. You see, for me, I mean, maggots were something that always kind of got me, but in the autopsy's are tough. But- Magots, like get into the dead bodies. Yes, yeah. Especially, I mean.

And you have to see it in person or in person. Yes, in person. Yeah, in person. You've discovered the body. I would go to- I would go to- I would go to each crime scene. Okay.

And then you also attend the post mortems or the autopsy's. Okay. And so, yeah, the post mortems or the autopsy. Okay. And so, yeah, you wound up encountering quite a few, like decompt cases is what they're called. So somebody has been found for a while or somebody's found in a field or a ditch. There's always something like that going on.

And that, it's gross, but the real stress comes from seeing it and understanding the responsibility that you have as a prosecutor to the families. So the families that because basically goes crime scene autopsy family meeting and that would that would be the order and I would always give my personal cell phone out to the families. I can't remember if we talked about that last time but never I never regretted doing that just to let them know that somebody cares. But when you you're there with the crying mom the stress comes from if I screw this up know, this family is going to be denied justice

as corny as that sounds. You know, I'm going to go back to something else a little lighter, Juicier. Talking about jury people. I'm friends with Leah Black, who is the wife of Roy Black, and she actually was in a jury of a case that he tried. Oh, so how did that? He was a defense attorney for one of the Kennedys, some Palm Beach rape case he prevailed

they won. And then, but they didn't, but they like met like a year later. And then she was like, I was actually on your jury and, you know, the story at first until I asked her was more like oh my god like is that so has that ever happened or have you ever had a jury come up to like later out of bar like two years ago I was in your jury or anything like that because it is like you're on stage and people are staring at you for weeks on end. I've had that happen I had a very like sort of strict line on that I didn't ever want to cross that.

Now, Lou married a juror on one of his cases. It was, we want to be coming to my dentist. And she was wonderful. And they had a kid together and like, Okay, so what, how long did they start to date after the case was done? Pretty soon after. So who pursued who?

You know, I think somebody, they knew somebody in common, and then they hooked them up afterwards. And that went up being a really successful marriage, and they were half-time married, she passed away a few years ago, a very end-cancelled, but yeah, I never wanted to do that. I mean, for the first 23 or 24 years in my career,

I didn't take anybody in the office, I didn't take any court clerics, court reporters, I just, no defense lawyers, I try to stay, you know, like professional and personal life is, you know, far apart as possible. Right, right. Yeah, and then, yeah. Well, so I mean, between this and the Jesse Smollett Do you think this is going there's gonna be more of this happening or less? Well the problem that's that's really the problem for The disservice she did to real victims. Yeah, it's like whenever anybody fakes something they they

They inject suspicion into the minds of the future jurors on legitimate cases that wouldn't have been there otherwise and that's the real It's a waste of resources, but also that's the real that's the real crime, right? Yeah, because I mean this was the gone girl right Like oh, it's gone girl and then I know that has been a defense for defense attorneys when some guys wife is really gone Is she doing the gone girl thing? And there was that case. I think the guy ended up killing himself. There was a case of a mom of five. She had five kids and she's going through

a horrible divorce on the East Coast with her Greek born husband. And she went missing. And I don't know if they ever found her body, but they had enough to finally arrest him. And then he killed himself in the garage. um but the defense that they were gearing up for was that she was a writer and at one time before gone girl ever even came out she had come up with kind of a story like that a fake kidnapping thing to

get attention or to screw over her husband right what's like Duke lacrosse or that uh that Rolling Stone article about the fraternity remember that where they they the woman completely made everything up. Oh, the Duke what remind people of that was it was a Duke lacrosse term. The Duke lacrosse team hired strippers for some party and there was a financial dispute. So one of the strippers accused them of sexual assault and the local prosecutor filed rape charges against all these innocent kids, right, which is like and they all lost it. Yeah, and yeah, and they got dragged through it and it turns and the local prosecutor filed rape charges against all these innocent kids. Right. Which is like, that's...

And they all lost their... They were out there. Yeah, and they got dragged through it and it turns out they were totally innocent. And I think they disbard that, that DA at the end of it. But that's, and then there was a rolling stone article with a woman who claims she's raped in a fraternity and it was, the whole thing was made up. And so the problem is, like, and this is for example, the same thing, these things get so much media attention,

and it's fascinating every time, and it's worth talking about, it's important to talk about. But in the minds of jurors, when the totally legitimate victim who did nothing wrong is the same objective circumstances, and really is like assaulted uh... there's that that doubt that that they walk in with as a result of people like sheriff opinion

well there was this case and it's definitely california don't remember where this cute couple were like you know living together and this guy came in with like this laser thing and like kidnapped her and took her to like this cabin that he had and

people were thinking that it was you know they're doing it for attention and all this other stuff and 100% it was true and it was one of those weird psycho guys that were like I just wanted to see if I could do it. We did a 2020 on that. Oh okay. I researched that story. Tell that story. Tell that story. So essentially it was a a psycho dude who who had done this multiple times before and he went to a podunk sorry, but they deserve the the term podunk police department in

in central California. He shows the victim based on the police department. No, no, no, but it just happened to be. Oh, okay. And they immediately suspected the husband and they brought the husband in and they grue them and it was like they had suspect focus right at the very beginning. They made up their mind subjectively that it was him. They treated the husband horribly and it turns out she really was kidnapped

and the guy broke into their home and pretended to be multiple people and he had like a laser and it was it made it look like it was a laser on a on a weapon and it was turns out it was just like a pointer and it was I think it was on a BB gun yeah yeah and it was the whole thing was so insane it was almost it was unbelievable and when the when the husband described everything that actually happened the cops were like wait what and it didn't make sense they immediately suspected him and it turns out it was all real and she had been kidnapped and raped and held captive for a period of time. And it was just the

most. Then he dropped her off, like kind of similar to the sheriff's very very sure she probably was familiar with the story dropped her off like a couple blocks from her house so that she could like make it home and it's like always that nice you can be in it you know so but he had transported her to a different jurisdiction so there was the the police department that was working on on the abduction and then there was a separate one that became involved who that did everything right and a detective in 30 seconds found that this guy had been involved in very similar things with a laser before. And I mean, that's, you call it a unique ammo

or a modus operandi, right? Like that is, it's so close, it's a signature. It's a psycho that's developing his technique to do these rapes. And in zero-time flat the other police department put the whole thing together and it you know essentially exonerated the husband but it was it was really it was incredibly hamphysed the way the detectives in that it handled it and and look I you know I think that

police 95% of time get it right and they work really hard and they're really dedicated men and women They're trying to catch the bad guy But there are those times where they really do screw up and this that case was one of those times Yeah, it's just seeing that way the way that poor guy was treated and I think they sued and I'm sure they got some money back No, I definitely do because then there was a big follow up all right netflix september twenty first donmer monster the deffery donmer story yeah i don't know if i'm going to be able to watch this this is like the trailer looks so scary

uh... you when we talk last year like i have some info on serial killers and it's not what you think and right so i did a bunch of my did the Golden State Killer case and did the dating game killer Rodney O'Cala who represented himself, uh, guy named Andrew Roodialis, um, and then, you know, every serial rapist is basically the same guy that just doesn't, just doesn't kill. And we're talking about the psychopath and anybody's watch silence of the lambs, including me, we get this idea of the Buffalo Bill character, you know, like they put the lotion in the basket, you

know, that whole thing. And we have this image of surer killers being victims of horrible abuse. And in my experience, and it's limited, I mean, I probably worked on a dozen of these. And so it's not, it's not a scientifically huge sample. And there's people who know a lot more about it than me. Right. But mine without exception, none of them were abused. As kids. As kids, they were not abused, they were spoiled. One after another, after another, they were spoiled and Jeffrey Dahmer is a perfect example of that.

And there's clips of Jeffrey Dahmer that you can see on YouTube where he's hanging out with his parents. His dad was like, by all accounts, I believe a very nice man. And I'm no expert on the Donmer case, but he was with his parents as an adult. And he's talking about, oh, pop an endomac Donald's and getting a burger. And really what he was doing is eating all the people that he was bringing home and murdering. But he was, you know, Ted Bundy's another one tedbund he wasn't abused as a kid all call was not abuse as a kid one after that they're they're spoiled and

they're entitled and they get off on it and that's why they do it they they do it because they like it and you know he he took it to another level because domar of course was eating his victims and then there's that that horrific scene with scene with the police officers that one of those guys got out. I think he was loud or maybe Thai, but he would pick up these young men in the gay community of Milwaukee. And there was one of them that escaped and Jeffrey Donald came out after him.

It's a horrific, it's the worst part of the whole story. What happened? And he, he came out and he, there were two police officers, and the man got to the police, and he was, he was physically appeared to be intoxicated, and that's because Dahmer had already gotten to him, and fed him the drugs or hit him on the head,

or whatever it was, and he came out and he's like, hey, it's my boyfriend, I'm so sorry to bother you guys, and the police let Dahmer take him away was and he came out and he's like it's my boyfriend I'm so sorry to bother you guys and the police let Donmer take him away and murder him and Adam and those poor those poor officers you know that that's a life-changing event because they had one of the worst serial killers in history I mean Netflix is coming out with a movie now about it yeah this is it yeah and they and they could have caught them that night and they didn't and it

but they really it was a bad and also Don Jeffery. Don was white ears like what years. Yeah. Oh gosh I don't even I'm thinking like I think also being that there was the homosexuality element that he was like going after these young guys and And also that people couldn't be held same thing with the other serial killer, the Gacy. Oh, John and Gacy. Yeah, similar in that.

Like the time in history where you didn't have phones. So if someone went missing or they were under the radar or just a kind of a grifter or working on a construction site here or there, like these guys would go missing. And because they're also guys, I don't think like their loved ones were like, as panicked when they went missing, all of it.

It's just like, It's really sad, and I'll tell you what, it's we were talking last time about types of murder, it's like a baby death is a very different type of murder than a gang murder, which is different than a serial killer, which is different than a conspiracy for money, which is different than a domestic violence, they're all very, very different. But Laguna Beach is one of my conspiracy for money, which is different than a basketball one.

So, all very, very different. But Laguna Beach was one of my cities, and you know, there's a very thriving gay community in Laguna Beach. And one of the things that you'd see, especially in the 70s and 80s, when there was that sort of inherent bias against the gay community, you would see these older, straight acting gay men that would roll these younger men home and they would get robbed. And these guys would go home because these older men were, they were guaranteed to put themself in a position of vulnerability and they were often unlikely to call the police

because they didn't want to explain why there was a younger man in their home. Oh, the young man would steal from the older men. And not just, yes. And sometimes they would steal, but a lot of times it became these horrifically brutal murders because there would be some sort of like, I don't know, some pathology going on with the killers. I did a case called Pussarsik that there was no media on it all. And it was a, the victim was an IRS agent and he was closeted and he brought this very

handsome young guy back to his house. And that murder, that crime scene, this is a little graphic, but his ears had been cut off and he'd been bludgeoned with a champagne bottle and essentially impaled in his rectum with a flashlight and that's how we found him and every ant in Orange County was at that scene and that poor man. Every ant, like crawling ants, like an ant, like...

Every ant in Orange County, no, no, no, no. Every actual ant. And the ear was, no, no, every actual aunt. And the ear was missing. One of the ears was missing. You never found it? No, and I think the, I actually think the ants got that ear, but then he, he led, he took, How long was it, how long was it before you found it?

Like how long was it since someone had seen him? Well, it was about a day that we, until we caught him. And, and he was using this guy's, But I mean, how, when you found all the ants on the guy, like how many days is that of like an exposed body? About I mean, when you found all the ants on the guy, like how many days is that of like an exposed body? That a day, about a day and a half on that. All that quick.

He was on the ground level. Yeah, now ants aren't at every scene, but they sure are at that one. You know, ants, it's like, but that was, but there's a bunch of those, these older, these older gaming from that era, you know, like they grew up in the 40s or 50s, you know, and it's, I mean, I think God we've advanced, because now, I mean, nobody would, nobody would bat an eye at that now, but that scene, and I hope there was no, I really hope for the sick those officers that there was no gay bias in that moment.

In most cops, the vast majority of them, I mean, look, some of the best police officers I've worked with in my career, I mean, gay police officers, man and woman. But the idea that, I mean, like you talk about reality, I mean close reality, most cops, especially detectives, they're not gonna to care at all.

Their victim is their victim. And that applies really, and I hope I don't get any hate on this, but truly, in my experience, they don't care about the race, they don't care about the sexual orientation, it's their victim, and they're going to work it professionally, at least the cops I work with. And they do not care at all, they want to catch the bad guy, you know, but this is they're I'm sure That's he's gonna be in there and it's heart wrenching so because one of those guys and then he went on to kill I think a whole bunch of additional people after that and yeah crazy Late 70s early

Yeah, so same time period dirty John dirty Still are favorites. Change dating for women all over the world. Everybody thinks that they could be dating a dirty John. Their mom might be dating a dirty John. Yeah. Well, this was my case, as you know. And number one, how awesome is it, Eric Banna? I got so star truck. You wish.

Listen, when he was making Connie Britton those smoothies and his scrubs as one outfit, I'm like, I can see, I can see how she was hooked. And Connie Britton was amazing. And for this case, I think it's got 40 million downloads for the podcast to like. Oh yeah, of course. I got all the sliders I could eat at the premiere,

was what I got out of that. But yeah, that was one where for those who don't know it, and this is kind of a spoiler alert, I guess. I think everyone knows that this is such an awesome case. So Newport brings it to me and it's a homicide, so I've got to review it and make sure that it's legit. This woman meets him online and he's a total hustler, and he went from woman to woman,

and he's a complete psycho, and he presented himself as a first as a doctor, and he was a nurse, a nested the test, that had been defroctor, unlicensed, or whatever it's called, because he was stealing drugs from the emergency rooms, and the way he did it was horrific, like he was actually taking drugs from the patients he was supposed to from the emergency rooms. And the way he did it was horrific. Like he was actually taking drugs from the patients

he was supposed to be administering to. So they had less anesthesia, like a horrible human being in every way. And he had been getting gradually more aggressive, gradually more psycho. And he meets this woman in a new port beach. She's very wealthy with two daughters. And he cooks up this scheme when things fall apart with them

to kidnap and murder one of these, one of the daughters. And she was come back to her apartment in Newport walking her dog cash, and I bonded with cash. And he hops out of a van, because there's gotta be a van, and he's got a whole murder kit in there, including duct tape, zip ties, restraints. And that, that scenario ends one way. It ends with some poor girl in a ditch or in a field like that's the way that ends every time

Accept this time so she fights cash the dog bites him He drops the knife and the victim picks the knife up and stabs him in the eye because she washes walking dead and Numbers and kills him and completely legit self-defense So Chris Godford is somebody mine that I'd work with for years I mean, buddy like somebody that you worked for the L.A. Times and I knew him and we've done a bunch of I did an interview with him before the show came out. Yeah, he's great because I love to his other story Which I thought was gonna be made into a show. He did another long piece about a show he did another long piece about a mom who got angry with a school teacher. Oh, Easter. Yeah, Easter. My buddy, Christophe Frost, you did that. Yes. Yeah. The school, the I'll tell you what I

remember you can help with that one. But like basically this has been a wife had a child at a school. And they would go pick up the child. And the teacher said something like, oh he's coming, he's just a little slow. And they interpreted that as you're calling our kids slow, not like his little slow gathering his jacket, whatever. And they went out to destroy this woman's life. Right. And they planted drugs in her car. Yeah. And it was there was another a second incident to her. They she came up the mom came up to pick up her child and the child

was waiting on the curb. And mom got super upset about that. Her husband was a very successful attorney. She was also I think an attorney I want to say but wasn't practicing. And she was very beautiful. It's like this like really good looking kind of quintessential orange county couple and she hatched this plot to have her husband plant drugs in the teacher's car and it was a complete setup and yeah she was just that that was one of those and then it turns out in that investigation that she was she was sleeping with like a fireman that worked in the, I think, down the street or something like that. Like she was,

she also having an affair, even though she and her husband acted like they were so on the same page to destroy this teacher. She was cheating as well. Her husband was, what's the word without me, anybody getting too offended? I believe a cuckold would be the word.

I don't even know that word. Cuckold, no? Was that me? A cuck means that he's basically, like he's just a completely beaten down man I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word. I don't even know that word.

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So he like lost his law license. Yeah, and then do you know if they did time do you remember? She didn't I don't think she did any time But he did he did I mean he faced massive life- consequences for his involvement and I think that's one of those It's it's there's a lot of people in that that believed you know that she was pulling all the strings. Yeah Yeah, that poor teacher, but again So bizarre and I remember when I was interviewing the writer of the other times of that article, he goes out of all the things I've written. He has why do you think that one was so Resignated with so I'm like just as like a mom. Yeah, ever dealing with like we're other weird mothers that are like so entitled and so like not my

Child and I mean it was just so bizarre totally psycho Yeah, I mean and like but the idea that she could think that they could get away with that, you know, and they almost did. They almost, I mean, they almost destroyed this poor one's career who made one off-hand comment. And I don't have any kids. So, but living in Manhattan Beach, there are, I mean, I have friends, wives who are insane when it comes to that to that sort of thing.

Like there's no- About the kid. Yeah, not my kid. Yeah, just such an ego about it. But 30 John was, I mean, it's cautionary online dating, right? I think that we should do a podcast one day on things that I saw in the homicide unit where people met their killers on line dating. I mean, Jordy Donner is just one of them. It is the craziest story.

But do you think in that that had like I wonder, you know, obviously he was someone that had done crime his whole life. He was pre-blood. No, the story. They flashed back to him as a child and the dad kind of like had him jump in front of a car and put glass in the food like a you know little glass in his food so that they could sue the Mexican restaurant or like John John me yeah when he was a kid he had all this weird stuff kind of grew up and like with a really bad example of a father and then he kind of was doing all these things but yet he was really smart he became you know past the, past the boards to be a nurse anesthesiologist

and all this. And then knew a lot legally where he would like harass people and sue them or have them just fold and be like, fine, like here's 10,000 leave me alone. And so I wonder if when, if the plan had gone his way, What do you mean just kidnapped her to try to get? The problem is, and this is something that you never know, but I'm just saying, I kind of wonder if, because it was kind of so out of character that he'd gone, but then also I know people graduate to worst crimes. They get worse and worse.

He's getting more and more desperate. I spent a lot of time with the guys at Newport. The guys including a couple of excellent female detectives in that crew. And this is my daily own group. This is my Glyphelin group. These are seasoned really good detectives. And we roundtableed out a bunch.

And the conclusion we reached is that he was going to kill her. And it's because she knew him. She knew who he was. There's no way that he can kidnap her. And she didn't like him. It's not like she owed him she knew who he was there's no way that he's that he can kidnap her and she didn't like them it's not like it she owed him nothing so it's it's she would have no incentive not to immediately call the police yeah you know so she was he was going to kill her you know when you look when you look he had he had the knife and it wound up being the knife that that you know she used to stab in the eye and she watches walking dead that's how you kill a zombie picks up the knife and kills the zombie. And I mean, that never, it's just, it's such a happy ending.

Um, and a dark sort of way. But, um, yeah, but that's, you know, there's, I mean, online dating is, is, it's the thing, especially post post COVID, right? And those guys are out there. I mean, there was the tender swindler, those, those, those recently out, but there are certain things that people could look for very early on I think and especially women to spot that controlling sort of nightmare in it. I think it's a spectrum right you've got like the insecure jealous guy on one end which is composed of freakishly, embarrassingly high percentage of men. But then, on the other side, you've got psychokillers like this. And I think it really is, that controlling guy that doesn't want you to hang out with

your friends, the one, you get into domestic violence scale, the cycle of violence and all that. And it's all parts of the same sort of thing. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, let's talk about what your show, let's plug your show for right now. You're doing the fatal flaw, right? This is fatal flaw. And I'm hoping fingers crossed when I was driving over here.

They're going to do a season two. Great. So this is Sun Hulu. Yep, Sun Hulu. So this is, it's a project by a... a man in david slanted abc who i think is a genius uh... and essentially they are they're taking uh...

twenty twenty episodes and looking at it in sort of a new angle like what was the mistake that the killer read which is awesome for me because it's a process that's all we did is like where where is the mistake that they made in can i make the case based on it and there's a woman in the fifties made? And can I make the case based on it? And there was a woman in the 50s who was one of the original true crime fans who had a whole bunch of money

who built these doll houses that were perfect replicas of these murder scenes and they used that to train detectives in the 1950s. And so David Sloan has sort of resurrected that concept and they built these dioramas, these doll houses, but they're recreations of these murder scenes. And so they use that as a backdrop to retell these stories that are, I mean, I had so much fun doing this and I got to work with Elizabeth Vargas on it and who's, I think, awesome.

So hopefully we're going gonna do a season two. It's a lot of fun and yeah good interesting stories. In 2020 has such depth on for these old cases that they did like you know 10 years ago that we've all forgotten and yeah so I love it. Tell everybody where they can follow you on Instagram and DM you. Yes so it it's Matt. I want to date you Matt Murphy. Is it Matt Murphy's with an S? I screwed this up last time So they're Matt Murphy law or Matt Murphy's law the cell layman Instagram as a DA. We can't really have any social media Now you're not though. No, now I'm like a

Matt Murphy law. Okay, Matt Murphy Law. Matt Murphy Law. Yeah, now I'm like a teenager because I've just discovered Instagram February and I'm making all the mistakes, but yeah, it's been a lot of fun. Well good, everybody check out that, follow Matt. Thank you. Thank you so much for the talk. I hope we do it again. Absolutely.

We just do dating pitfalls online, I think. You're still single, right? I am still single. Okay, girls, be careful.