Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Lala Kent and Ambyr Childers on Cheaters, Friendship and Dating

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Lala Kent and Ambyr Childers are in an unlikely affair with each other. Ambyr was married with two children to the man who Lala was dating. Both women are beautiful young actresses? How did their ex get them to fall in love with him? How could he cheat on either one of them? Of course, they hated each other until they bonded over the betrayal they shared from the same man. Now both single moms, dating is challenging when it comes to trust and what is a red or a green flag? -As an exclusive offer, new listeners can get their choice between chicken breast or top sirloin for a year OR ground beef for life, PLUS $20 off when you go to ButcherBox.com/juicyscoop  -Refresh your spring wardrobe with Quince. Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Quince.com/juicy⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠for free shipping and 365-day returns.  -If you’re ready to feel more rested, head to bioptimizers.com/juicyscoop and use my exclusive code JUICYSCOOP to get 15% off any order. -Go to ⁠⁠⁠RO.CO/JUICYSCOOP⁠⁠⁠ to see if you’re eligible for the new GLP-1 pill on Ro. -Treat yourself to the most advanced bras and shapewear on the market. Use our exclusive link to save 20% off Honeylove at honeylove.com/JUICY  Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Because I have the one-time enemies turns best friends, podcast stars of unlikely a fair, Lala Kent, Amber Childers. Welcome to Juicy Scoop Girls. Yay. Thank you for having us. I just love that. You guys have become so close and your friendship and everything.

I can't wait to get into like how that became and all of it. But first, can we just talk about me? Always. Thanks. Please. I just want to say I'm so excited because may not. is my show at the Avalon Theater. It's sold out in the first week,

thanks to the Patreon peeps and everybody. And we're just really excited. And Chris Franjola and Brandy and Julie are going to be there for my live juicy scoop at the Avalon Theater. So when you see all the stuff about Netflix as a joke, just know that your girl has made it. Thanks. You made it.

You're an icon. You made it long ago. Now, I, thank you. We have so much to talk about. And I remember, you know, we were friends first. You came on the show, Lala, and I was a fan of watching you.

And then I met your ex. And I did find him very funny and you guys fun together. And we saw that, you know, there was some social media shit that kind of went on with the messiness of he having an ex-wife, who is Amber, and two children with her. and and I just want to get a little bit of the backstory of how much you care to share, Amber, of like that you guys were separated, you had issues, you're like on and off kind of, can you just share a little bit on that? Well, we were never on and off, maybe to him.

In my world, I was very much married. He was, air quote, working, making movies. I had two little kids. Yes, there had been infidelity in my marriage, you know, for a very long time. How did you first find out that that was a pattern in your relationship? It was very early on, very, very early on. Was it just a, like, did you see the phone? It was everything.

Phone, text messages. And then eventually, like, you know, you just catch on. You see people's patterns. And then you notice there. I mean, you live under the same roof with someone. I mean, you know when something is like off and not right. So eventually, I, you know, I just kept staying. You know, I'm like a hopeless romantic,

and it's like so weird to hear myself now even after, you know, the marriage and another long-term relationship and being single and dating now. Like I think it stems from, I grew up Mormon, right? Oh, my God, you had that. You guys kind of, not that you were never raised Mormon, but raised around a lot of Mormons. Oh, yeah.

My dad was a Mormon. Oh, your dad was a Mormon. Yeah, he had left the church before I came into the world. But yeah, my dad's entire family was very LDS. That is so crazy. Yeah. So being raised Mormon and then having my parents have known each other since high school and they're still married to this day.

So like for me, divorce, infidelity, like that never existed in my world. So I think there was a lot of, you know, denial, right? I'm going to figure this out. There's other people in the world that have gone through this and they've been able to manage and try to control the situation and change the person and you stay because you have kids and you know you want your family.

And then you realize like you eventually looking back towards the end I'm like you start to feel like you're dying, right? Your soul, it's such a weird thing to articulate but you're like I'm living in this body and I'm moving but my soul is dead. Like I'm not alive inside. And at that point, it was, and then obviously, it kind of, the straw that broke the camel's back was eventually finding a sex tape. And.

Of him with somebody else? Yeah, with her. Oh, that you found the sex tape of them. Where did you find it? Like on the phone? Yeah, yeah, on the phone while I was sleeping. Well, I wasn't sleeping. I was obviously awake, but we were both sleeping.

And then you searched the phone. And then she started calling in the middle of the night and I didn't know. I didn't know what it was, and so I snuck his phone out from underneath his pillow. While he's asleep. While he's asleep. And it was like a gun emoji. And at this point, I knew that they had been seeing each other because he would go down to Miami and I would look on her Instagram and she would be in Miami. And then they would go somewhere.

And then she, so like it wasn't, you know, you become a detective when, you know, you have to become a detective. So I found the sex tape and kind of all held. broke loose from that point on. So then did you wake him up at that point or like start to like be quiet and kind of plan your thing? Like I took my time and like I really studied like his position and like I was like wow, lalla's really beautiful. And then I was like, I'm kidding. So no I. Yeah. And did you know that Lala was a reality star? Yeah, but I had never seen Vanderpump rules. Okay. At that point like at all. Like I knew nothing. Nothing. I was like head in the sand which shame on me. Like I should have been a little more like alert. I feel like, but I was in complete denial of the situation.

So eventually, yeah, we ended up, I woke him up. We got into a fight, but it was a peaceful fight. I think it was kind of like, you know. There's no denying now. This is not working, right? Like, shame on me, shame on you. Like, I got to leave for myself now, right? You know, I tell people I stayed for my kids because I didn't want them to come from a

broken home. But then I left because it's like I have two daughters that I'm raising and like they're seeing their mom be completely disrespected. And like that's not cool either. I have to model for them what a good healthy marriage looks like. And so what I think is interesting is so I'm watching the show and I'm seeing Lala and I see that she is talking about this mysterious guy who's in the industry. and the vision I had in my head of who this person is. He was hot? Yes. I imagine like a like a Randy Gerber type who is married to Cindy Crawford, but maybe like 10 years ago,

like a 40-year-old that looked kind of like that. And so I was like, oh my God, I can get while you're keeping it a secret, you know, in my head. And then when I find out, well, he has a wife, then I imagined another type of person who attractive, but I imagine like a brunette and I imagine someone closer to his age and to my age. And I'm like, who is this child bride? Who is this gorgeous, successful actress stunning? Like, how the hell? How the hell?

What's going through your head right now? A lot. Are you nervous? Having an out-of-body experience to be honest. Why? No. She doesn't share much ever. Like, these are all conversations that we've had, like, behind the scenes.

So to watch her, like, talk about it is... Well, you know, it's someone else telling your story from their perspective is really interesting. Yeah. Like, huh, you're right. What a dumb bitch. I'm thinking like, who is that girl? Not dumb at all. She's talking about it too.

I'm like, what? What was I doing? Yeah. Anyway. So how did you meet him? And how old were you? Gosh. Wow.

We're really going back. I was young. I was 17, turning 18 that summer. I met him in New York. I was on a soap opera called all my children. I had graduated high school early because I had booked this job. And I was going actually on a golf scholarship, signed with the university, booked all my children, and said, you know what, I could play golf until I'm 80 years old.

Like, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Grow up in a conservative Mormon household. I wanted to get out so badly. So I went to New York. He was there. I don't know what he was doing there. he was there a friend of a mutual friend introduced us he was like she's also another actress and that was it like that was how he just he has such a charm yes yeah very charming yes and i want to say this is like

this person's personality is so larger than life and he's funny and he's a great storyteller and he's totally charismatic and like so there was it wasn't like some weird, like, there's an attraction there that I had that I really was like, wow, this person's really fun to be around. Yeah. And like, we go and do fun things. And he loves to go shopping and he loves to go, like, take vacations. And he's like, I just love, I love, I was telling her this on the way here.

Like, I love an East Coast guy. The energy. I like, that's, you know what? That's like the only accent that I would, that I was into back when I was single. Like a Jersey or. Like Jersey, New York. Yeah. Like never, you know.

I wasn't wearing to really like, you know, Scottish or English or that didn't like how some people get excited about that. Right. Right. Not me. It has to be like, come you. You know, like, even like, that's why I think women love like gangster movies. Because it's like, even though they're like murdering people, they're dressed well and they're going to buy you a piece of jewelry and it's like they're very protective. The protective of the family and the protective of you. And I think as a woman, that's just a hot thing. I felt protected by him. Yeah. For sure. For no other reason that like I knew that I was going to be protected.

He supported me. He loved that I was an actor. I love that he was in the business. And I feel like a lot of artists were very misunderstood in the world. So to find your person that like gets who you are from the inside out. And he did. And there was there was a lot of love there. There was a lot of.

And I know that there was an age gap. But like he was he was much younger than his actual age, right? Like I was the old soul. he was like the man child. Right. So it worked perfectly. And so how old were you when you got engaged or married? There was no engagement.

We got married when I was 20. And then I had my first kid at 21. That is crazy. And how did your parents feel about that? I mean, they were not happy. Did you have a real wedding? No, we eloped in. Malibu. Yeah. Yeah, that says a lot. Yeah. I mean, it's like a classic. You know what I mean? You're dating

this younger. I mean, basically, did you even have a boyfriend, like a real boyfriend before him? I mean, you just got out of high school. No, my high school sweetheart. I had met my, my high school sweetheart, and we were actually going to play golf together. Like, he had gotten a scholarship to the same university. And it was like that classic, like Americana, like two athletes. Like, you know what mean, that's what the plan was. But no, I hadn't dated. So from the time I met, to the time I got divorced at 27, I never had that dating experience. I mean, it is such a world when when you do, when I was younger, I would sometimes date older guys too. And I, I liked it. I mean, it's nice. It's like nice car. They make the plan. You know, you feel special. You kind of feel hot and sexy,

because you are younger and hot and sexier than they are. So it's like, it's not like you're, you know, dating someone your age. You're dating someone that's like a male model or something. You kind of feel like always the hotter one of the two. And it's a, yeah, I mean, I totally get it. And so then when you discovered everything and how much time, like to explain a little bit of the time, I remember there was like, you know, some, like I said, some social media stuff that went on.

Yeah. Because I think you were here, lean a little more. I think you obviously were being fed a different narrative. And, you know, you want to explain a little bit like where your perspective was because you were dating this person that wasn't being honest with you either. Yeah, but I think had I been clearheaded because I was drinking pretty heavily once I met him. I mean, and I'm not saying that he's the reason for my drinking. but I just can pinpoint when it kind of became out of control,

which is when he entered my life. Would it have been out of control regardless? Maybe, I guess we'll never know. But I would have been able to put two and two together. Like I think I was actively trying to silence my gut from telling me something is not right here. But yeah, I was under the impression, and I was 25 years old. And I came from like Amber parents who had been together since my mom.

was like 19 years old. They had a wonderful marriage. Like it just didn't occur to me that people would like go out and like lie about their marital status to like bag another person. Like just that didn't really enter my brain. Um, and then I just remember him saying that, uh, he was separated. And then I remember hounding him on an actual divorce date. And then I remember him not being able to give me that.

So I started hooking up and with other people and dating. until that was situated. Still very much in contact with him, but I wasn't exclusively with him. And then that day came, and Amber and I just could, every time we would get to common ground, it was always something that would knock us off of our rocker

where we just could never see eye-to-eye, understandably. Like she had a very traumatic experience that involved me. had many traumatic experiences before that. And I was deep in my alcoholism. I think that I was jealous of her because, you know, she gave him the two kids. She was an actress. I was a girl from Utah who landed on reality TV, all sorts of crazy shit coming out of my mouth. And then once my relationship ended, and I kind of, you know, the information started pouring in. And it was like, oh my gosh, like what I thought was my reality is like very far from that, from the time we started,

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Because regardless of if it was my intention or not, it doesn't matter. my actions caused another woman hurt and that way it was tough because I kept thinking how could you be so fucking stupid about yourself yes about myself and so up until the point where then you found out he was being deceptive to you and you already had ocean prior to that and let's be very clear the deception where it was like the cheating part that was fucking child's play it was everything else that was revealed where I said oh we're we're gonna enter a custody battle I'm in fear for for my child I don't I this person is like the cheating I could get over we can key key you know my heart will heal because I wasn't in love with this person like we'll get over it

like it's a tough pill to swallow to be like oh like we were homies like that like I really felt like he and I thrived as friends yeah that's what I liked yeah was hanging out with the two of you because I did think you were like a funny couple yes a kind of a fun thrived as friends anytime the emotional connection came into play it was like cats and dogs it was not we just didn't fit um but it was like that I could have gotten over it was everything that came with that that I have not shared where I was like

you will not we will never have a friendship nothing yeah we'll barely be able to co-parent but prior to the breakup yeah were you guys because because of your daughters

you know and you being you guys weren't married but being a stepmom and you live together with this man had you guys found a better place as far as like when she was with your daughters and stuff prior to the to you breaking up with him yeah i would say that there were moments where i was like thank god well is there thank god because i knew as much as like our differences aside the fact that i'm not married to this guy anymore i'm like okay great moving on she was so good with my girls and i'm so so thankful that one that you

got sober and that you could show up for them. And, you know, Lala kept order in the house. Stuff that men typically aren't great at. Yeah. Because I was around, I was in that house. I was sober longer than I was a drinker when I was in that situation. And so I really, my whole role and everything after I got sober was very different. It was like I was deeply embedded in being like a stepmom.

Like if the girls were, you know, struggling with reading or math, it was like Amazon workbooks are coming to the house. Like we're going to figure out how to count money. We're, you know, we were always cooking, doing face masks. Like that was truly my life, which I'm very grateful for because had I not been sober, I would not have been able to show up for them. And then thank God I got sober because then I became a mom to my own child. Which I was in the house for seven months.

Like, it was very, very quick stay. Like, you were holding down the fort when he was like, again, working. Yeah. Right? He was working. So, and it wasn't like he would give me the kids on my custod. Like, even if he was out of town, they were with Lala and it was like, okay. Then, you know, thank God.

Yeah, no. That, it was definitely, it felt like my purpose. Like, obviously I was working in things like that. But I was deeply embedded in, like, home life. And even her mom was so great. It was like, you know, Lisa Lala's mom was also amazing, always cooking with the kids, always doing something amazing. And that is also.

Yeah, there was order and routine, for sure. Yeah, I remember when it all came out and we were talking on the phone and he's calling me, trying to convince me that this is just, you know, fans making up stuff. Wow. And I kind of was like, you know, at first I thought, no, maybe that is true, you know. Like people do do stuff like that. And then, and then you're just like, no, Heather, like, no. I was like, oh, okay.

And then I was like, okay, I'm never speaking to you again. Goodbye. You know, I'm not comfortable. I thought maybe I believed you for like, you know, 36 hours, whatever. And so, but I remember then you saying Amber's been really great. We're talking all the time now. Yeah. And so can you speak a little bit on that of when you guys like,

actually got together and realized, wow, this guy has a really good picker. We're both fucking fabulous. Like, can we give him one compliment? He knows how to pick great, gorgeous, smart, successful women who are great moms. I've noticed that with every, like, weird. But if we were smart, would we have headed up in that situation? No. I think.

The smarts came later. But I think there's love bombing and I think there's being young and I think there's a power difference that happens. I'm a sucker for a love bomber. Oh, I love him fucking hunt me, baby. Yeah. I want to be hunted. Yeah, because what's so great about love bombing as a woman is you get love bombed and you're like,

finally, somebody gets how great I am. I am the greatest woman. I am the sexiest thing you have ever seen in your life. Thank you. Thank you. Why are we not hitting this every night? I'm a fucking hot babe, you know? Yeah.

And then you doesn't occur to you that goes, wow, if you're that good, with me like and you're 48 years old. Is it possible? There was someone prior to me that you might have been this excited about. And there might be someone after me that you might be this excited about. No, that doesn't occur to us. No, because we like a compliment. That's fucking sad.

But now I'm so scarred. I was telling Amber today, I'm like, this is where I'm at. The guy who shows up for me and is like right there ready to fight. I'm like, that's a red flag because what are you? doing behind the scenes. But then the guys who like don't really show up. I'm like, well, that's a red flag too because you're not showing up at all. I'm like, I'm so traumatized that I don't know what is right or wrong.

I mean, I think it's- Because Homeboy showed up. Yeah. R-X. Oh, he was right there ready to fight for you. Yes, we had this conversation today. Yes. We had this conversation today.

I mean, like when something was going down and you were hurting, he was like, oh, fuck that shit. You felt so protected. But then you're disoriented because you're like, wait. what have you been doing behind my back? What kind of life have you been living? So now when a guy's like right there ready to fight or whatever, I'm like, who you fucking behind my back? Yeah, what's your intention?

What's your intention here? Why are you fighting so hard? So then I went the other way and it's like, okay, well, now you're not showing up at all. So like, what are you doing behind my back? I don't know what is right or wrong anymore. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's hard when you've been through that.

And our minds are so different than a man's brain. you know, you're, it's like never stops. You're always thinking, you're, you know, and they're just like, what's for lunch? I know. It's just kind of like, okay, well, it's just a very different brain. And so it's like, it's hard to, um, this story that's in the news, I thought you guys would find interesting. So this guy is very good looking.

I mean, they're both. Stephen, I think he's named Stephen Mick B from the Mick B dynasty. Yeah. And I watched some of the show. I had one of the women on his dad's, like, ex-girl. friend came on, which was, she was kind of interesting. Yeah, he's very cute. They run this cattle thing. He got, he got discovered because he was, they came to see if he wanted to be like the

bachelor or something or farmer needs a wife. I don't know what. And then he didn't do it. And then they were like, that production company was like, well, this is kind of an amazing thing because there's two other brothers. And I watch, so he has a new girlfriend, not the one we saw from two years ago in the show. He's a new girl that's featured on the show. And she's very beautiful. And this exploded the day after stagecoach of all places. So they go to stagecoach. And I was there.

Both of them? Yeah. As a couple. As a couple. And she's, you know, a beautiful thin blonde and he's, you know, a rugged, you know, hot guy. And so it was funny because I saw this one girl go said, I just want to tell you guys. Like I saw a checktouch. She's like, at stagecoach, I've seen so many couples fight that they sold twice as much

alcohol in the first day of stage coach, then both like Coachella things involved. So it's like, you know, it's a little, it's a little older of a crowd, you know, it's not necessarily all teenagers. There's a lot of 34 year olds, you know, 20, late 20s, whatever. And they like to drink and whatever. I witnessed a couple arguing. Nothing bad. Just her being like, I don't get it.

Like what? And he's like, because I told you. And I just, I'm like, oh, like this is like, whatever. And then the wind started to go and I told my girlfriend, I go, I don't want to get stuck here. I mean, let's go back to our house. So we left before the sandstorm. But so he leaves, apparently, a day early because he has to work. So he's not there for Sunday night.

And somebody DMs him. I mean, there's a whole bunch of things they've all shared. They've all been sharing their stories and their DMs and their videos. This is what I got from summarizing it. somebody reached out to him and was like, hey, are you still dating this girl? And he's like, yeah, why? Well, she's at an after party grinding up against a guy. And, like, someone takes a photo of her kind of like dancing with some guy.

He then immediately starts texting her like, what the hell are you doing? And I'm very, like, abusive. Like, I knew you were just a whore. I can't make you, you know, I thought I could make you a housewife. I can't, da-da-da-da. And, like, really stuff like that. And he even did a video, the more. morning after where he's like, yeah, you know what?

I know I'm not easy to live with. I know I'm an A type. I have a personality. Things don't get right. I get angry. I'm like, who wants to date you? Like, it was like the worst. I was like, oh my God, like, mean dad times 10.

Like, who wants to be with this fucker? And so then he's like, and I thought, you know, but when your whole life is about going to the next three day festival and what outfits you're going to wear and who you're going to meet and da-da-da-da. and you have to go to the after party. Yeah, okay? We've been at stage church for three days. She's with her friends.

There's an after party. Why the fuck not when you go? Why wouldn't you go? You're all influencers. It's a business thing. And so then this young guy that she was supposedly dancing with, they were each following each other. Doesn't mean they're fucking.

Again, you're in the same business. He's just, I mean, I was wondering, like, is he talking to text or is he just like going off? because it's like, you know, long paragraph, next long paragraph, paragraph, and then he posts, again, like, this is where I am at 5.30 a.m. Why my ex, while this girl is whatever, hoaring around at Zendaya, you know, after party or whatever it is,

a Von Dutch party, whatever. And it's like a gym. Okay, fucker. Oh, I'm supposed to be real. That gets me real wet that you went to the gym at 5 a. I'm like, whatever. Who cares? And so now everybody's like, screw.

grew this guy and she she just goes whatever you're crazy and he's like you know and now the other girlfriend has been sharing her DMs from two years ago where he was like where her sister had just died and a month prior and she's like I just I want to get my sister's ashes I just I feel and he's like fine I'll I'll move the ashes like just he was just like so awful so maybe this girl and the girl from two years ago well now I don't be best friends yeah they could be the four of you guys through a podcast. Yeah, there we go. Can I say it now?

I think he hatfishes people. Hatfish. I love that expression. Yeah, we've been talking about this lot. Yeah. Meaning you have a hat on and it's the cutest face ever. Oh, so about look at his face. He's gorgeous.

Yeah, he's gorgeous. But let's take off the hat. I've looked him up a few times and every image has a hat. So. Yeah. You know what I love about Lala? So I was on Raya. I deleted it again.

I've just told you. So I go on, I have the same with the dating app. So I'll go on it. I'm like, okay, I'm going to go out there. I'm going to put myself out there. And then I, like, retreat. I'm like, oh, my God. Then you see what's out there and you go.

So, but I'm also still a little. Is that your Raya alert? I'm not on Ryan. I'm still a little grain. Yeah. And so I'm like, hey, what do you think of this guy? She's like, Amber, effie, freaking, picture.

There's a hat. And I'm like, oh, what does that mean? But he's so cute. She's like, he has no hair. I'm like, oh. Or sometimes it's that they have hair. but something about the head shape just completely changes when the hat's gone.

A hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, it like almost like it kind of evens out their face or whatever, you know? Yeah, it's something to be concerned about. It's nothing to say. There's a lot to be concerned about out of your hat. I mean, listen, it's interesting.

And I think, you know, when you get on those sites and you're like the new girl in town. It's like you get the, the first couple months seem to be like all the good ones. But you don't realize that, you know, then people say, and then they show up again. Like it goes to recycle.

Like they, you know, there's, because there's some that are just like, they know they do real well on it, you know? And, but this was just, and to put it all out there, I know they're on a reality show and everything, but it was just so. And it did seem like he was really sort of jumping

to crazy, conclusions. So, wait, she never made out with anybody? She, well, what I saw, she was like, no, like I'm dancing, but then someone said they were holding hands and this and that. And I mean, again, one of the reasons I believed your ex for a minute is I'm like, when you're like a star and people are following them, it's weird. Like I went to a thing and, you know, like a fun little party on Saturday for stage. It wasn't anything super big. you know, some gifting, some not. Anyone could go and, like, buy a drink.

I got a ban. I got a free, you know, burnt end barbecue. You know, it was pretty good. Some free mac and cheese. It wasn't anything. And I see that someone there took a photo of my girlfriend and I, just add a round cocktail table, just eating our food in the day. And, like, put it on a site of, like, look at this fucking loser.

And I'm like, geez it. I'm literally just eating. Can I eat a fucking macabre? macaroni and cheese. I'm not like, the world is brutal. And I'm just like, okay, sorry that I'm going to something

and I'm having lunch with a girl that I met first day of college. I don't know, but I'm saying if it's happening to me, I was like, clearly, you know, some young person that probably wants to fuck him is obsessed with them, saw her there and she's there too.

And then is like, she's very pretty. DMing and being like, you know, I just so you know she's dancing with some guy. Even if she was dancing with some guy or whatever, like what do you? Who cares? Like it was, look at the way he talks to her.

It was so, yeah. It was like, if that's how he's, that's not like the first time that he's communicated with her like that. She's been walking on eggshells and probably loves him because he is so cute. He probably is like, you know, the type of, you know, when they, like, because of that truck stuff, you know how those, like, there's like videos where it's like, you know, um, what? What did your, you know, what happened? All right. Let me get my shotgun and you're like, not that you're like for that, but you're like,

I'll be watching some TikTok videos and it'll be like some girl like, when your man knows what to do. And then it's like shows the truck, like leave the house. And she's, and everyone's like, that's a real man. Like I get why it's kind of hot until you're on the receiving end. And it's like 5 a.m.

And you're washing your face and it's like, blup, blup. And you're like, I'm home at the influencer house, wiping the sand out of my hair. I don't have a dick in my mouth. Like,

what is wrong with you? People are so unhens. People are so we like and not to go like really negative, but people are so sick. And it's like like emotionally sick, spiritually sick. Yeah. And it's this this world that we've all become obsessed about and with and people are, well, people don't care. They will go to any length to destroy a life. If that means that they get another like on Instagram or, or 10,000 more follow.

Or break up somebody or whatever. Yeah, there's no boundaries. But I think that she should thank whoever sent the DM. You know, it's just like, thank you. I mean, you know, I'm sure there was a point where you were like, thank you, Lala. Like, thank you, Lala. I might have still stayed with this person. Like lots of times people say, I do thank the other woman.

Or if it does end up okay and the second wife or the stepmom stays with them forever, there's so many times that women come together. you know, it's like, well, I'll just do the exchanges, you know, with the stepmom. Right, right, right. Like, let's just take him out of it, you know, whatever. And sometimes it can sometimes work out great for the rest of their lives and families are together and the two moms are planning the wedding together, you know, like it can all happen. It can if there's normal people involved.

Right, exactly. When you have, like, crazy people involved, it does, there's no, there's no chance. Yeah. And there was that point where I, I'll never forget when she called me. And she made an amends. And I was like, thank you for, you know, taking the time to like make the immense. But I would have not, I wouldn't have been alive.

I was so sick. I was so sick in my addiction, my codependency. What was your addiction? For me, I loved, well, loved everything but cocaine. I've never done cocaine before. but I loved Xanax, muscle relaxers, you know, wine. I was a big, I loved my want, like anything to not feel. So you're sober too.

I'm sober. And I just, I was slowly killing myself emotionally, spiritually, physically, and I would not have been able to get out of the marriage. I didn't know how. Like, I had been married for eight years. I did not know how to leave the marriage. It just, I couldn't take that leap of faith. I had so much fear and anxiety.

So if it wasn't for her in the situation that happened, I would have never left. Yeah. Well, speaking of new love, so your Casme, Michelle from the Valley, everybody's talking about that she is holding hands on a date with Dr. Dre. Can you speak on this at all?

Did you know about this? Are you shipping this as the kids? say. I know nothing. Well, I have a friend named Paige Davis and she's very funny. And she was saying, I was trying to be set up with Dr. Dre. And I think I know the mutual friend. And she's like, so good for her. She was being funny. She's like, I'm really jealous that it wasn't me. But I think It's kind of fun. I think it's cute. Lola's being so good.

Why not? Who cares? I mean, he's a lot older, but he's a, you know, he's obviously different life, everything again. It could be,

it could just be fun. It's Dr. Dre. It's Dr. Dre. It's Dr. Dr. It's Dr. Fucking Dre. I mean, it could be a real fun time. Yeah.

So good for her. Her daughter, by the way, is her doppelgager. They look so much alike. They look so much alike. They look so much like when I watch the valley.

Isabella's starting to look more and more like her as she gets older. I feel like for a moment Jesse loved that Isabella was like a copy and paste of him, which I think when she was younger, they did look very similar. As she gets older, she's turning into her mama. Yeah, I thought it was cool.

All right. Now, this is from Summerhouse. And Summerhouse, people have compared a little bit to the Scandival in that there is a guy. I'm going to educate Amber. So there's summer house. These people live in a house all summer.

There's this beautiful girl, Sierra, and she dated this guy West. Can you see it? Like a year or so ago. And it was kind of on and off didn't work out. But she seemed to sort of be pining for him and still like that. He reeled her in. Yeah. I think, yeah.

So he, yeah, he'd kind of play with her emotions and bring her back and all this stuff. And meanwhile, she became best friends with Amanda. And Amanda was married to a guy named Kyle for like 10 years. And they would have, they were the fighting couple. You know, have you ever been in a group where it's the fighting couple? Imagine all summer long.

I was the fighting couple too. I know that very well. Well, all the friends are like, God, we're stuck in this house. You know, could you just be nicer to her?

Could you just whatever the case is? And then he becomes a DJ, which everyone is like, that's the kiss of death, whatever. But I'm also glad that he did it because they are getting divorced now. And it comes out that

Amanda and West, are have been fucking. And no one really knows the truth of what it began. But in watching the show, Sierra was that constant friend boosting Amanda up, being like, you know, you deserve better than this marriage you're in. And, you know, really kind of depleting, sucking the air out of the room as, you know, the woe is me wife, Amanda. when, you know, he was playing it.

And I had this, I talked about it on my show and I'm like, I just want to know what, who is, is there a type of girl that kind of gets off on fucking her friend's boyfriend? Like that proximity. Is there something? What makes you do it? And this girl wrote me and she goes,

I was that girl. And she explained? She totally regrets it now, but she just said, I think like anything, it is sort of like, now I don't know, this might be the first time Amanda has ever done this in her life, but someone that might do this a little in high school, a little in college, I don't know that girl. But like, what is it that you can be such a good friend to somebody? And oftentimes, like we saw Rachel even like ask Ariana, you know, how's things going with you and Tom? And I've heard other people saying that we're like in the mom world, they're like confessing to their friend that like their marriage is bad.

And the whole time the friend is like, how's things going? Well, that's not a friend. No, it's not a friend. She's like showing up as a friend. But the intentions are really sick and demented. And it's not okay. It like it literally makes me sick too. It's just not.

It's like that made that brought me back. You sharing that story and explaining that to me. brought me back to when I couldn't trust women, like, at all. Like, I'm like, you, I lost trust in both male and female, but like, as women, we are supposed to have each other's back. And, yes, we all make mistakes, but, like, but those kind of mistakes, you're, you're not well. You're, that's a very sick person.

Yeah, but what if they work out, Amanda West? I, I don't know. That's kind of the only way it could work is if they didn't. did work out, but I don't think it will. I think he wants out and now he doesn't know what to do. And so then they had this audio leak from when they filmed the reunion. And people, the first thought was people thought, did he leak it to like get himself fired or something?

Turns out now they're saying, no, it was someone on production. I immediately from the beginning thought, no, production did it to keep us talking. and it was juicy to hear them all fighting and accusing each other of stuff. But it wasn't anything that we wouldn't have expected. So I didn't think it was like a bombshell moment where someone yelled, fine, we started fucking June 4th.

Like it was nothing like that. It was just them arguing with each other. So is there a second season of this that's with the same cast? This is going on right now. They just did. The reunion. So we'll see this in like a few more weeks. And right now they're together.

Right now Amanda and. and West are together. But they said they were both quitting the show or something. I don't know if that's true. I have a question. Yeah. When you were with the person and everything was going on in the media, did you ever feel like the pressure, like I have to make this work?

Because it did start from an affair. Right. You know what I mean? Like the extra pressure of like saving face. Because the public, you know, it was sort of not a, good thing the way it started. No. No. I never felt that pressure of it needs to work. Not at all. That's interesting because I feel like a lot of people like this. I'm sure they're really feeling the pressure of like, wow, we just kind of made this. We blew up our lives. We blew up our lives.

Now this has to work. Yeah. No, but the the pressure of my cast, you know, constantly having that as like a topic of conversation, I broke. I ran away from home. I was threatened. that there could be legal action taken if I did not return. I fell off the grid. I packed my dog up. I drove 10 hours to Utah and no one could get a hold of me. This was when, right? This was season, season five.

While you were seeing. While I was seeing him and we didn't know who he was. Right. And I had hounded about like, this doesn't make sense. Why is there, why does it take so long to get divorced? Why are people saying that you're, are still married. Like, why is, you know, why is my cast members saying that they saw the two of you, you know, in photos? Like, I was just, I was, my gut was speaking to me, putting the pieces

together to where I, I cracked under pressure. Production was banging on my apartment door. I was supposed to leave to go on, um, I think it was one of the cast members' birthday trips where they had rented an RV. And I was like, I'm not fucking putting myself in that situation to be hounded about this again. I let them bang on the door. Once they left, I grabbed my dog and I left for Utah. And then they got in touch with my mom and said, you know, there may be legal action taken. If she doesn't, she's contractually obligated to go back to Vanderpup rules.

Yeah. At least to sign off until she's out. Right. Like we need her story to be wrapped up if this is what she's choosing to do. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that then when you came back to the show. And I remember he wanted.

wanted me to leave the show. And I considered it for half a second before I was like, I, this could team me up for a future. Like, I'm certainly not going to give something up for anybody. And that's such a good thing that women need to remember. Like, when someone's like, what, I've got you. You don't need to do this dumb thing. But you have to think, but if this doesn't last forever,

if this doesn't, you know, like, yeah, now I've given up medical school. or whatever you're doing or your, you know, college or your business or your... Lady Gaga said it in one of her acceptance speeches. She said, for all of my women out there who are trying to choose between a man in their career, just remember, your career will never wake up in the middle of the night and tell you it doesn't love you anymore. And then she just walked off stage. Oh, so good.

That is so good. That is so good. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I needed to hear that. Yeah, really. Speaking of, you know, shutting it down and going on.

to Utah with the dog. Such a good choice. Taylor Frankie Paul has, now I don't know in the world of TikTok or Instagram deleting your stuff where you have, you know, 8 million followers, whatever.

I would think if you do want to come back at your level, someone could get a hold of someone of TikTok or Instagram. Yes. So it's like back, but back in the day, like for a regular person

deleting your Instagram, I remember Charlie Sheen did it. He was on Twitter. He was on Twitter. Twitter he had like 800,000 followers, which was a lot or something crazy. And then he just like deleted it. And I was talking to somebody that like it was his representation or something. And they were freaking out because it was like, no, you're not getting those people back.

And that's when he was like tiger blood tweets and all that. And so anytime she wants to come back, she can. And they said Mormon wives is going to start filming again in Utah as well as the new cast in the OC. but and then she they don't know when she's going to come back but she you know is welcome to come back I was thinking you know

I wonder if yeah you said liberating yeah I was thinking I'm like you know we got to just think about her right now you know in her age she's been raised on this stuff probably since she was like younger than 10 she probably was able to go on things

and do videos or whatever she's been making her money and being a celebrity since 2020. And then exasperating it with the reality show and the Bravo and then of course her problems with her ex and her custody issues. I'm like, could she, you know,

just live a normal life for like a year or two? Could she actually not post, just be a mom and just go to yoga, go cook something, whatever, have enough money to like live off of work out your situation with your ex like can someone like that be okay not being famous not reading the comments not seeing that their video got two million years i think it becomes like a drug it does i think fame is an addiction yeah and i think social media is a huge element of that so there's like a social media fame addiction where you just get off

on, you know, not just looking at it, but posting, seeing what people are saying and doing. I don't have that. I have many other addictions we've come to find out. But social media is not one of them. I deleted Instagram off of my phone. I want to say like a week and a half ago. And I have had no problem. Like people will send me things where I have to like open Instagram and I'm like, I can't see it because I don't have Instagram right now.

So when you remove Raya or Instagram, like from your phone, that's just like a discipline. It's like throwing away a chocolate cake. Because I will mindlessly just go on my phone and click on it. And it's like autopilot because you just are conditioned to do that. So when I get on my phone and I don't have anywhere to go, it's like, oh, I don't need this. Oh, but then, you know, yes, you can still go. You didn't lose it. You're just doing it as like a disciplinary thing.

Exactly. It's like there's nothing on here for me right now. And social media makes me feel extremely vulnerable and exposed. Yeah. And that's kind of a difficult place because obviously my livelihood and like how I've positioned myself is based off of like things like that. Right. It's like you don't totally have a choice. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. Like what is she going to do? Like she doesn't, you know, it'll be. I think she, I think it's good for her. and if she steps back into the world, maybe she'll have some parameters to it. But like she wasn't, like even when all the shit was going down,

she still was doing videos with her, you know, shaking her ass and being like, I don't care. And like for a little bit. And I was like, wow, I would have thought you would have shut it down for a minute. And so it's interesting now weeks later

that the shutdown happened where, you know, she really realized it's like, you know, everything's a dopamine hit, whether you're filming the video, or you're swiping, it's like she, I'm sure, like, got advised by the people that she's getting counseling from or in therapy for.

Like, you have to completely remove. It's like having an ex-boyfriend's number still on your phone. Like, why is he still in your contact? Just like you have to block and delete. That is how you stop getting those dopamine hits, even just scrolling. Is it still there? It's like the science behind it is so. real and it's frightening and I'm I think she made a really good decision because why even if she gets

to a place where she feels healthy enough to have that you know on her phone and and have her account again she isn't she needs to start fresh she needs to have new new memories like why you know it's it's like tearing the band-aid off or tearing the scab off like why reopen that yeah and so they're doing the OC version and um and Bobby who, I'm not going to say her name wrong, but Bobby who is really became a huge internet star. She's divorced. She has three kids. She's from Laguna Beach.

And she has that really kind of funny way of speaking kind of cadence. She did admit later on that it was like an act. It was like a character. Well, I'm impressed by it. That's great. Yeah. And so then I was like, oh, we shouldn't have done that. Like you should have just kept with your like weird corkiness.

But like. She's so pretty. I do think it will be fun to actually get to see her in this show. I think it's a great idea that they did the OC. Yeah. I'm excited about it. There's a lot of murmurs in the OC. And then, wait, did any?

A murmurs, is that what you call them? Yeah. A merman. Oh, oh, Mormon. But by the way, now it's LDS. Oh, they don't like to be called Mormons. Yeah, I don't, I think they took the term Mormon out. And it's LDS is Latter-day Saints.

Yeah, right, right. They should be the secret lives of LDS wives. Yeah, I like the ring to that actually. I know that's shorter. Yeah. Speaking of which, have you heard of this like weird thing people are doing where they like do like a jaw crack or something? Yeah, we want to do it.

Amber and I, she sent me this video and like I just even watching Liam cry made me want to cry because I like the relief that she felt after he like went in there and was like and she just starts sobbing because of how much pressure was like in that. Yeah, there's some weird things. they put on gloves and she did a video Leanne Rhymes who was married to Eddie Sibreon who

they were in the news a lot like 15 years ago because he was married to Brandy Glanville, a real housewise of Beverly Hills and then it was like found out that they were like seen like going to a hotel and they had done a movie together and but they ended up getting married and it was really really ugly

between Leanne and Brandy Brandy would you know talk shit and everything. But now in like the last, I don't know, eight, ten years, they do Thanksgiving together. They invite Brandy to everything. And then she just set, they just celebrated like their whatever anniversary 12 years. But I do think this is this stuff is weird though. Like I mean, why not, I guess, have someone stick their finger on the side of your jaw and like what, release your trauma. Yeah, that's what that's what I know. That's what I guess I'll do it to you. I'll get a glove and go for it.

I'm going to have to chop a nail off, though, because this thing will fucking stab you. Yeah, but maybe the pain will take away from my heartbreak. I just love looking. I'm just into, like, backcracking. Oh, the backcracking? This did not turn me on as much as a backcracking video. Well, they needed to put the microphone closer to her face. Whatever happened, it really...

And then you see... I don't know if you could hear it like a backcrack. No, then, like, following these videos that came out, you see her on stage singing and, like, now what she... And I'm just like, it... something happened to her artistically. And I don't know the sound. It unleashed this trauma. And you see the guys do it.

Have you watched the videos of some of the men doing it? And they're weeping like little. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I would go, I think this guy lives in Florida. Remember when everybody was doing cupping?

What happened with that? I saw a few basketball players that are playing in the NBA right in the playoffs that have cupping on like their shoulders. I know. I hate that that's like a look though. It looks awful. You know what you should do to your feet. I did see that.

You and I watched that. Yeah. The foot's the big one. Yeah. What are you in the foot? You just cup in the foot. Yeah. They do like the heat around it and then they cup and like pull and then they suction them to like the heel, middle of the foot, ball of the foot.

But remember when it was like such a big thing. You got to have those big. No, no, no, no. Oh, those big cues. Yeah. Because like I mean, it's so weird when you go to like a party and you see someone like a strapless dress. They felt like cupping on their back. It was like it was like almost like an excessive.

accessory, those markings for actresses on the red carpet. Everyone had them. That's what I'm saying. And they would do like the bag shot. That's what I'm saying. These things go like in a, in like, you know, a trend. And you're like, oh, is that still a thing? I love all that shit though.

I'll try anything. I'll try anything too. I'll wear a sweatshirt after. Remember what people used to do going in? Do you ever do that anymore? Does anyone do the thing where you like go and just like sweat off a few pounds? Yeah. I feel like that kind of went away.

Like the sleeping bag? Yeah. And you have to like sweat before they. That's gross. It revives you. Yes. We need a sauna. We should put a sauna in the,

in the backyard. Okay. Yeah, everyone says you need a red light sauna. Yes. And then you can just go into their whole body. They have like little pods now. Yeah, they have them at Costco.

Yeah, I think Costco sells them for like $1,200 bucks. Like a two person sauna. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Costco had caviar the other day. I heard. I heard it went like sold out like crazy. It's pretty cute.

It comes in like a Tiffany's, blue box. Oh, cute. And, but you know, I feel like when something gets mass produced and is at Costco, it's like, I know. Okay, caviar is like now like the truffle of like 2018. Oh, that makes me sad. You know what I mean? When everyone was like, oh, truffle. You get all excited. And then now it's like, Carl's Jr.'s has a truffle burger. And you're like, okay. Kids, get in the car. We're having a fancy dinner tonight. Yeah. So kind of like, you know, everyone has their own

caviar line. Everyone's a DJ. Or did you see that pretty mess is a DJ? I did see that. She's going to DJ Boz's wedding, remember? Yes, but I think it's like, I love that Erica was,

he's like, how do you like being a DJ, Erica Jane, you know? And she's like, I love it. Show up, play other people's music. Get out. It's quick, easy money. I'm like, thank you for being so fucking honest.

She's the best. She's my favorite. Yeah, of course it's easier. than you doing a 90-minute show with 10 gay guys and like squatting and seeing and all that. If you could just go, it's the best. Just hold your ear and be like, one, two, three, four, you know, like, God. I always said my dream was just to go. Remember when like Kim Kardashian everything was always like in Vegas just getting paid to like do an appearance?

Yeah. And I was like, oh, do you think I could ever just get to that level just getting paid to show up? That's it. don't have to talk to anybody that's the dream don't have to do don't have to play the record I remember doing appearance all the time but like what would I appear to do now like yeah and we're also going to get you bottle service like all right a nice bottle of Perrier you know so you would do that you do the nightclub thing back in the day when I first started on Bravo yeah and what would that pay oh god I couldn't even tell you maybe 10,000 so you they hook you up

the whole weekend. See, what I would love. Yeah, they pay for your room and, like, your food and whatnot. And then you'd go to the club and you could bring, like, your friends if you wanted. They had to pay for their own flights, whatever. And then it was like unlimited drinking. And then here's your check. You know what it really turns me on is what I, like, what makes me envious is like, when I see, you know, all the influencers that and everything that are like, oh, we're doing that. I'm like, okay, so how does this work? Like someone just does organize the whole thing. Here's your flight. Miguel's going to pick you up from the airport. you're going to go over here

here's your itinerary be ready at four the car is going to pick you up we're going to take you drop you off right at the place here's your VIP tickets or artist pass and like you don't have to think about anything yeah that's the life

God that's what I'm just like someone's like you know you can just hire a travel agent and I guess I could I don't know it just seems so nice if someone else was just like doing it for you you know what I feel this way about making when I see my friends that are making a lot of money doing shop my or like all these brands and just selling clothes.

I'm like they make it look so easy. And I was like, you know what? Maybe I'll do that as like I have like an hour a day just dedicate doing that, doing my style or my makeup, whatever I want. And then I go to do it. I'm like, this is fucking hard. No, it's so hard. Why is it so hard?

The shop mine is hard. Well, just everything. You know, like, and that's why when people like shit on influencers, like, like, the joy that people had that like there was a windy day at stage. coach and like you know because it's like good now those fuckers now like what what is wrong with you like it was win for 45 minutes and it was okay but it did fuck up some people's trip why would you be happy just because you're squatting in the basement like baby reindeer stalker like who cares why are you such mean about it i know people are so cold but i did uh i had like a moment of doing

socials like influencer style socials. It was the hardest thing I'd ever done. Because you kept like doing it wrong and they're like, hey, no, it got to the hashtag right. No, like the original setup was like I brought on a social media guy. He would send me what I needed to capture and he came. And by the way, he's freaking fantastic.

I just am not into social media like that. Like I dreaded the days when he was like, hey, we're going to get content this week. I would literally, I'm like, this is worse than getting my nails done. Like, I do not enjoy this. I was like a zombie. I, like, suddenly needed a nap at just the thought of it. So he comes over, though, to, like, teach me how I'm going to do things.

And here's the app that we're going to use. Once you've downloaded this app, this is where you upload your videos. I go, here's the deal. I want you to let me know how much I can pay you to do all of this. Where you come, you set up the lighting. I just, like, am the talking head. And then you edit the videos. it's a lot of fucking work.

Yeah. And then I felt way too exposed. I'm like, why do I have a video every single day going up on my feed? Like now I'm feeling very out there. There was a video I saw recently where it's like a little boy. He's like, you know, eight or something. And the mom is on the couch. And it's one of those videos, you know, short clips of like, you know,

where someone just shows you their day making their coffee, making their bed, whatever. But you're going to have watching the whole thing. And so, but it was the kid was like, you know, took the baby, strapped the baby, cleaned up the kitchen, put a blanket over the mother. And everyone was like, that's a great man. I'm like, you made him fucking do this. Somebody is filming this thing. You're pretending to be asleep on the couch. Yeah.

Why are you like, like, why are you making your son a tradwife? It's called creating a viral moment. Right, exactly. Yes. It's all fake. But I'm always, I always love to go to the comment and have one person finally write that. Like, okay. But like, you had to do all this.

Someone had to film it. Someone had to move the camera at eight different spots. Yeah. Then edit it all together. You know, if you didn't do that, you probably wouldn't be sleep deprived and made your eight-year-old breastfeed your child. You probably could do it yourself. I know. But people, it's interesting how many people still don't understand the production behind certain things.

Yes. Like the amount of messages that I got being like, you should have Britney, uh, Leave Brandon. I'm like, this is not live television. Yeah. It's not happening. Are they still dating? No, but like people think they are watching live television.

Right. And we power on film whatever's going. And there's no like production behind things. Right. So it is interesting. Like when you see those those moments that like make you sad, right? It's like, oh, in like a good way. Like, oh, the guy coming home from like wherever he's been in the dog. running up and it's like a viral moment.

This is to make you feel something. That dog could be a fucking actor. We don't know. No, but you know so many of those pet ones are now AI. It's a real. I know. And you want to know who's beating into AI is the older generation. Oh yeah.

They love it. They're like, did you see the deer that brought over its baby and brought a cake and thanked the person that helped them get out of the net? You know, like, you're like, wait. And I, yeah. You guys, during. the wildfire. Yeah. Devastating. My mom goes, look at these firefighters, and they're going into flames,

carrying out like baby reindeer's or fonds. And I'm like, Mom, that is not real. That's who they're targeting. Yeah, Lisa. The Listas of the world. She believed it. I'm like, no, it's not real. Doesn't even look real. Anyway, moving on. Well, I love that you guys talk on your show, and it's a great, great name for a podcast and unlikely affair being your history and your friendship. How did you come up with the name? Oh, my gosh. Well, I think we're on a massive, you know, thread with a bunch of different people at Iheart

and ourselves. And we were just like, let's just rip it and let's see what comes up. And then somehow that name came in the mix. And it was like, yeah, I think, well, you would. and I were wanting like an affair to be brought into it and I definitely wanted un to be part of it right because it's untraditionally la la I wanted to like stick with that and um it was it's just such a perfect name yeah it is when you know when you you know that's what I was trying to say yeah the moment we yes and um and what what made you decide to say goodbye to

give them la la la I just felt like it was so juvenile and represented a part of my life that I was just like no longer in like it was created when I was with that person and then even like the beauty and skin line was like connected to that person the fucking book I wrote where the dedication page it's right behind I by the way I love the cover I've never looked better but the dedication page was like talking to him and I was like I'm just I don't want it anymore yeah like I need a divorce from this I think it's great I think it's great that you you know make that break well I'm so glad you guys came and it was really so interesting and juicy. Thank you for having us.

Yeah, thank you. Everybody follow them. Check out the podcast, Unlikely Affair and Untraditionally Lala. And of course, the Valley is on every Tuesday night. Are we on Tuesdays or Wednesdays? I think we're on Wednesdays. Oh, really? Yeah.

Oh, you probably get it on Tuesdays though. No, I don't. Listen, I don't understand how TV works anymore. So I basically, I have to watch it the next day on Peacock. Peacock I can understand. Yeah, because it literally tells you, new episode 30. Thursday. Oh, maybe, okay, maybe, yeah. Well, I'm caught up in it, but I don't know what days these things are on. And Rhode Island is all about the cheating, so. Oh, it's so good. Yeah, that's a good one.

I'll have to start watching it. Everybody go to Heather MacDonald.com. Net for me and Patreon. Thank you so much. Bye.