Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Lisa Rinna and Jim Carey’s Two Faces

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

Was Jim Carey cloned or was it plastic surgery? Why didn’t Dax Shepard attend the SAG awards which his wife, Kristin Bell was hosting. Then I pulled from the juicy scoop archives a great interview with Lisa Rinna from 2017!It’s so interesting to listen to knowing what transpired in Lisa’s life since. Lisa Rinna is uncensored as she talks to Heather about shocking moments from her past. We learn about how Lisa's mom barely escaped being murdered by a serial killer, why Michael Bolton is responsible for her marriage to Harry Hamlin, and we get the inside scoop on her infamous wine-glass-throwing showdown with Kim Richards. -Take proactive care of your health and head to https://OPositiv.com/JUICYSCOOP or enter JUICYSCOOP at checkout for 25% off your first purchase.  -For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you visit ⁠⁠https://Nutrafol.com⁠⁠ and enter promo code JUICYSCOOP -Go to https://HelloFresh.com/juicyscoop10fm to Get 10 free meals + a FREE Zwilling Knife (a $144.99 value) on your third box. Offer valid while supplies last. Free meals applied as discount on first box, new subscribers only, varies by plan.  -As an exclusive offer, new listeners can get their choice between organic ground beef, chicken breast or ground turkey in every box for a year, PLUS $20 off when you go to https://ButcherBox.com/juicyscoop.  Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heather McDonald has got the juices scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood Tales for real life, Mr. Segment, Serial Data, and Serial Sisters, you'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen to us. Whoop, woo. Heather McDonald, Juicy Scoot.

Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, I have a great juicy episode for you. I can't wait to get into it. Here are some of the crazy things that happened over the weekend that are light and pop culture related. So we're going to take a break. We're just going to get into juicy pop culture stuff for you. Everybody thought that Jim Carrey was not Jim Carrey. He won an award. He accepted it in French and he appeared to look very different. His voice was very different. So several videos were made. One video they zoomed in and his brown eyes, which have always been brown, appeared to be like a light green blue, which made me think even if he got a facelift that's still swollen, which is what I initially thought. I thought it's him with a swollen facelift. I thought, why would he change his eye

color. Then I saw another video, which was the swollen face, possibly bad facelift, but it still had brown eyes. So I'm like, did the original person that did that video, just throw in the different color eyes. It's so weird to know what's real or not. And the reason you're like, well, why would it not be him? Heather, why would there be a clone? Well, because in following all this crazy stuff, it was Jim Carrey, who upon accepting a different award, mentioned trafficking, and, and and killing of children. He also brought up the Illuminati sign with Jimmy Kimmel, where the audience was just laughing, thinking that he was mocking kind of the ridiculousness of the conspiracy theories around the Illuminati and the Triangle and all of that. Other people feel like he was the one

truth teller. There's also videos of when he was with Jenny McCarthy, in which he was very much against immunization and vaccines for babies, and they believe that had a correlation to a her child who has autism. So they're like, the Illuminati has gotten him. Okay. A lot of people like me were like, I think it could still just be a facelift. Then they said he's left-handed and they show him this guy coming out, signing autographs with the right hand, not the left hand. In the comments, someone would say, well, I'm left-handed and sometimes if I don't care about something, I'll sign it with my other hand and I don't care. Okay, fine. TMZ. Now, reported, and this publicist said, it is him. There's also a very famous makeup artist named

Alexis Stone, who does full masks and makeups and has done everything from her being Glenn Close, he being Glenn Close in the Dalmatians to Kim Kardashian, and he just does incredible stuff. You should just follow him. He's just an incredible artist. And he had done Jim Carrey once, so then they thought, is it Alexis Stone being Jim Carrey? Who knows? The other thought is when he played Andy Kaufman, the incredible comedian that kind of played a character his whole life and then Andy Kaufman died, we didn't know if he was really dead or not or if it was all just a long, elaborate like prank or hoax, is Jim Carrey doing some type of role and he wanted to just play this live prank out for us where maybe someone with his blessing was him

or was him, Jim Carrey, with some type of mask or prosthetics, and he was out there, and now he's back looking like normal Jim Carrey. So that was, that took up people's weekends. Okay, then there was the SAG Awards, which Kristen Bell was the host, her husband, Dak Shepard, a lot of people that enjoy his podcast and have kind of studied their relationship when she's been on the show, have questioned their unique relationship in marriage. And he did not go to see his wife host the SAG Awards because according to TMZ, it's now come out that he had a colonoscopy planned and therefore couldn't go. Now, he's a Hollywood star. You can reschedule those things. You could probably have someone come to your house and do it for you. I don't even know. But not a great excuse. He

recently said about Valentine's Day that he only celebrated his mother and daughters and gave them gifts and flowers and didn't his wife. I don't know why you would be doing this unless they're playing us too. Like maybe they're like, let's have fun with the audience like Jim Carrey and make them think I'm a bigger asshole than they could even believe by not not supporting my wife when she hosts a major thing. Maybe Kristen Bell didn't want him there. Maybe he might. Maybe he makes her nervous or stresses her out when she's on stage. I can understand that. So I think maybe it was her wishing that she didn't want him to go. And he's like, I'll just say I have to take a, I'll just say I have a medical procedure the next day or something just so there's like no heat on us.

But the truth is, I make you nervous. I stress you out. So I'm going to sit back and not be there so that you can actually have a more relaxing experience hosting it. So the fashions were really good. I thought Kristen Wigg looked the sexiest. If you if you could pull off a dress like this, you know, especially on the red carpet, because when she turns to the side and you see like the side tit and the cute little butt and she's very thin and worked out, she's always had a great body. Her hair looks great. She just, she looked really, really good. So it was just a great look for her. And I think this look of a dress is really chic. Michael B. Jordan won for the sinners, and they also honored Rob Reiner, Catherine O'Hara, and Dinah Keaton, who have passed. So, but people were, once again, very shocked by Kelly Osborne,

who accepted an award with her mother honoring their father and just how different she looks, extremely different she looks. Also, Demi Moore was on the red carpet, and some people were alarmed about how thin that she looks. And people are a lot, a lot thinner today. And it's crazy that, you know, it was only about four years ago where everybody was, you know, really pushing and embracing and talking about there, no one's ever looked better, you know, in this, in our curvy bodies to now the complete opposite. I mean, now it must have been the shortest movement of quote unquote body positivity that ever lived in the history. Like, it's just like, it's like trends are happening so quickly. They're like over before they start. But anyway, that was a lot of discussion,

as well as people thinking other people look good. I'll be honest, I didn't watch the show. I don't think award shows are that entertaining. But I do like looking at the photos and there were some good ones. Okay. So now I really am excited to tell you guys, this interview is with Lisa Renna. And I, he, hearing so much about her and the excitement around her book and traitors and knowing her for so long, I was like, kept trying to remember the interview that I did with her. And so we pulled it up. I listened to it. It's from 2017. I'm like, this is so good. It's so juicy. It's so fun. And being that it was, you know, nine years ago almost, it's really kind of interesting to listen to

because we know what happened after and where she is, but we get into her life and her marriage with Harry Hamlin and some of the things that I'm seeing aren't headlines like, Lisa Renna finally discusses this, you know, finally discusses that. I'm like, oh, no, she said it in my interview podcast in 2017. So you guys are going to love it. I was there and I loved hearing it back.

And if you're watching this on YouTube, We did not film for YouTube back in 2017, but we did pull up a lot of great photos in reference to what we're talking about. So that's going to be really fun to watch on YouTube and see all the great housewife scenes and her different looks and things throughout the years. And so here we go with a great interview from the Juicy Scoop archives with Lisa Rina. This episode of Juicy Scoop is brought to you by O Positive. O positive is a woman's health company, and they offer a range of symptom targeting supplements that support women at every stage of life from their first period to well beyond their last. Yes, my period is in my past, the one great thing about getting older.

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You know what? You're a very vicious feeling. Don't touch my husband ever. Just saying. Don't you ever. You don't want out for everybody to know. You better watch what you talk about me or everybody will never. Everybody will know.

You understand that. Everyone should go watch. Welcome to Juicy Scoop. Super excited to have the most fun real housewife of Beverly Hills. Lisa Rina. Hi. Hi, Heather. And we've known each other for a long time.

We haven't. So long. Oh my God, I just remember the first time we did anything together. Tell me, because I can't even remember, of course. Okay. Let me think about what year this was. I want to say it was like 2006, 2005, maybe. Okay. Oh, God. It was so long ago. Anyway, it was very long ago. I'll know it when you tell me. Okay. We taped a little thing in Gillian Barbary Reynolds' guest house.

Oh my God. Yes, we did. I totally forgot about that. Yes. Was it like a little pilot or what was it? Well, basically it was really funny because my friend Liz Roman. Liz, yeah. Yes. Yes. So she and I have been friends since first grade. She was really good friends with Jillian. I became friends with Jillian. And when Gillian was doing the Fox morning show, she had all these fabulous friends.

And then a couple times she invited me to dinner. And I'm like, God, this is like the juiciest scoops of these fat, from fashion designers to actresses to everything. And so we're like, why don't we do what we call it Girls 9-N? And we filmed the thing in her house. We had different groups of people. We had Chelsea come was one of them. You're kidding.

No. And then I see Chelsea. and I'm like, if you ever need a writer for your show. You're not. Really? Yeah, because I didn't really know her. I didn't know that. Yeah, and it was right before the E-show,

but she had this other smaller show that was once a week. And so then when she got the bigger show, I was like, you know, and then this thing just didn't go. We didn't have, like, a production team behind us or anything. We were just kind of doing it. But I remember we were funny. But it was really, it was really fun. But I just remembered you told a real juicy-ass story.

Did I? Yes. I cannot remember. This is this what happens when you go past 50. You cannot remember anything. You told a story. Oh, God. Because we wanted to make it fun, but we also wanted to make it like exactly what my show is right now. It's like funny, but it's also super juicy. It can be like, and this was a super juicy story. Your mother was attacked. She was attacked. She was. And that's the story. You told that story. I told that story. Oh, wow on the table drinking. Good Lord. She was. Yeah. And they, someone threw, like, hit her in the head. Hit her in the head with the hammer. It was someone she worked with. Tell the story.

Okay. She was 30 years old. This is a cautionary tale for anybody. Yeah. 30 years old, worked with this guy and she was waiting. Where was she working at? I can't remember that. But like an office?

In San Francisco. In an office. Like an office setting. Okay. Yeah. So an office friend that she felt sorry for because he stuttered. Mm-hmm. So she was at the bus stop waiting to go to the dentist.

and he came by and he said, hi, Lois, and was stuttering, I guess, when he was saying it, but he said, I'll take you. Come in the car. I'll drive you. So, again, she didn't really go with her gut at the time, but once she got in the car, her gut was like, hmm, this doesn't really feel right.

All of a sudden, he stopped stuttering. He's talking to her and he's not stuttering at all. Long story short, they're in San Francisco. He drives her down to Presidio, which is... Now, let me just ask a couple questions. So she's 30. Is she married to your dad yet? But she's just started dating my dad.

I want to say six weeks earlier. Okay. Okay. She just told this story. She was just here. And she was talking about it. And so how long had she known the co-worker supposed to stutterer? Three years.

Oh, really? Yeah. Do you think that he knew that she was seeing someone and it was like making him go crazy? Well, he was married and had a baby at home. And so when he picked her up, he said, I want to take you by and show you the new baby. because my mom had met his wife. So wouldn't you feel like you feel comfortable? Right.

Like one of your guys out there. Yeah. Like he might be a serial killer. Who knows? Oh, my God. You think that is with Ray? I mean, I know him well enough. I mean, you'd think.

He has a baby. Okay. Well, this is the story. And, you know, long story short, he drove her down to the Presidia, which was deserted at the time. Okay. And he literally, I mean, he probably would have raped her. But he didn't.

He saw a military policeman saw them go down the deserted road. So when he's driving down the deserted road, what is he saying to her? He's saying he's not stuttering. And she's like, David, what's wrong with you? What's going on? This doesn't feel right. And I was like, why didn't you jump out of the car? You know, of course you, at that time, you freeze.

Like she was just like, what's going on? And he goes, I don't know, Lois, something funny comes over me. And he's not stuttering at all. I mean, it's a scary tale. Uh-huh. scary fucking tail. She probably would have raped her and killed her. But what happened was he saw the military police come down.

The military police saw them drive down this deserted road. So he literally jumps on top of my mom, goes at her with a knife. Where was the knife? Like behind, under the seat? In the glove box. He grabs the knife out of the glove box. Goes at her with a knife. She grabs it with her hand.

I know this is so hard. It's horrible. Cuts her, you know, two fingers here. Then. So this is all in the car, the front seat. Okay. He's straddling her. Yeah.

Goes at her with a knife. She grabs it. And then he gets in the back seat and grabs a hammer and starts hitting her over the head with a hammer. This is a true story. The military police comes down. My mom gets out of the car. Her head is like, you know, bleeding. Yeah.

Her purse falls on the ground. She's in total shock. And she says, all I remember doing is putting things back in my purse, like thinking, oh, everything's fallen out of my purse. So she's in total shock. Yeah. He gets out of the car. Carpenter is his name. He turns out to be a serial killer in the end. And he's on death row for two sentences of death. Okay. Wait. Let's finish the story. And then I got to have to ask you about that. Go.

All right. So she's in shock, but thank God the military police guy is there. And the military police shoots David Carpenter in the stomach, but doesn't kill him. So then they put my mom in a car and they're going to put David in the car with her. And she starts freaking out. Of course. They don't call an ambulance? I think an ambulance comes, but I don't know the exact story, but they're trying to put her in this military police car, I think, to get her to the hospital. So somehow she gets to the hospital. They shoot him, but he doesn't die. Goes to prison, but gets out on a plea six years later. Saying what, temporary insanity or something? No, he made a plea deal somehow.

Was your mom scared when he got out? Yeah, she probably was, but at that point they'd moved and lived in Newport Beach. And so he turned out to be the Mount Tamil Pius killer. And you can Google this. So wait, he gets out six years later. Yeah. And then he starts killing people in Mount Pius? Mount Tamil Pius.

Where's that in California? It's in Mill Valley. Oh. So two different. There's like two different sets of serial killings. And then he's raped a bunch of women. Like he's... All after your mother.

All after my mother. Before my mother, he had raped two women. So during the sentencing phase for the death penalty was when I was... After the, after the, how many people did he, okay, so he gets out. Like 22. Six years after he gets out, he starts, he kills 22 people. Well, in a period of about, in the Mill Valley area, maybe 10, 15 years. Women, all women.

And men. Like couples, too. Yeah. And where's his wife and baby? At this point, I think they're divorced. Well, I would think. Yeah. I think they're divorced.

And so he turns out to be this horrible serial killer. And so we go during the sentencing phase, my mom has to testify. And there's three women that survived. So this is like how many years after now? Like 15? Well, I was probably 21. Oh, so it's like 20, 30 years later. Yeah.

30 years ago. Yeah, yeah. So he's. No, but it was 20 more than 20 years after her incident. And so she had to go back and see him in the courtroom and we were all there. And it's really, you know, I grew up with a lot of fear, obviously, because my mom was so overprotective. Right.

imagine. You know, there was a lot of fear. So, you know, obviously I've done quite a bit therapy. No, but I think when you have something happen to you like that or even to someone close to you, it does affect your parenting. Yeah, I grew up with it. I grew up with that kind of that it could happen. Yeah, of course. And so it's made me who I am and it makes me very leery, you know, it makes me very protective. and my boundaries go up quite quickly, I would say. Yeah. You know? Well, on that...

On that happy, you know. But I just thought of that when you sat in it because I started to go back like... And then another time that I talked to you was at Ross Matthew's book party. And that was a couple years before you were part of the cast of Real House Beverly Hills. But there was rumors. And I said, are you going to do it? And you're like, you know, I don't know, Heather. Harry Hamlin is not opposed.

I don't know. And I was like, I think you should do it. I remember that. And I was like, I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know. So you did say that. I do believe I deserve a cut.

Okay. Well, there's not much to cut. I can like, I'll send you to the spa. Apparently, Harry Hamlin never has to work again from your duster sweater. I'll tell you, Harry Hamlin can, he can do whatever he wants now, which before, you know, Harry Hamlin's had to do a lot of really, somebody on my, I have this juicy scoop obsessed group on Facebook. Hi, juicy. Juicy scoop obsessed. Hi, juicy scoop obsessed group. That's hard to say. But they're like really fun. They post things. And so I guess somebody goes, somebody started talking about that. And they brought up that there were some like maybe a lame sitcom.

or two that we all believe that Harry Hamlin did not enjoy doing. And this was before the dusters came out. I'll tell you, Harry Hamlin's had to do a couple of things that are not Harry Hamlin-esque. Right. I mean, more than a couple. And he's not happy about it. And so I've always wanted to get to a point, because every actor has to do that, you know, especially nowadays. I mean, to even survive as an actor is half impossible. Really. Think about it. So many things are going through. First of all, I just remembered another thing. There's something. so many things that I don't think of that income. Harry Hamlin, I believe.

Now, I'm 99% sure. Didn't he do an extremely controversial movie called Making Love? Of course. He was kind of the first straight guy to go full-blown gay. He was the first. He. In acting. Okay, let's tell the story because I remember the movie.

Okay. So the movie was 80, 1980-ish? 81. Was it made for TV or was it a real movie? Feature film, 20th Century Fox. Okay. So it's about a woman and a man who are married. Harry Hamlin is married to a woman.

No, I think it's Michael On Keene, married to Kate Jackson. Oh, and Harry Hamlin was the full-blown gay. Okay. So imagine taking on that role in 1981. Wait, let's tell me the guy. Let me tell them the juicy story because it's a really juicy movie. Okay. They're happily married couple.

And then the guy starts seeing Harry around. Is Harry a swimmer in this? I don't remember. I mean, they just wanted to show off his body. Anyway, he starts seeing him. And then they freaking do it. He goes over to Harry's house. Harry is.

They have sex. A pioneer. He is. He is a goddamn pioneer. They have sex. And the guy has to tell his wife, I'm doing this now. How did it end? I don't remember exactly.

But I'll tell you on a day. I mean, he leaves his wine. But they're all friends in the end. to the dinner party or something, which is the way it should be. But that was, now when that, now you were not married to him then. No, I just, I graduated from high school in 18. You weren't together. But you were working, you just revealed in last week's episode that you were working

at a high class lens crafters. Basically. Not when I was 18, but when I was about 20, I was 29 by this time. 29. So I'm still struggling. Okay. I'm 29 and I'm struggling. actress, your model, you have a headshot, you have an agent.

Yes. And this is your job at the eyeglass plate. Wait, let me go back to him being gay. Okay. Now. In the movie. Yes. Let's clarify that.

If that's the new rumor on the show. Oh, please. You know. Because that's always the thing these housewives throw around. Is that someone's husband is gay? Of course. That's a very common one, very common. Yes, it is.

And I bet those bitches don't even know that Harry was gay in 81. Did he ever like question it? Was his agents ever like, I think this is a mistake because you're going to be pegged as gay? Or did he know being a straight man, this was the ultimate like acting role? Well, you'd have to talk to him about it exactly. But I know that it was offered to him. It was told to him that it could ruin his career. And I think once that was told him, he was like, well, fuck you.

I'm going to do it then. He's a little bit like that like I am. It's like if someone tells me no. And it did ruin his career for about five years. It did? Oh, absolutely. More than five years. What happened? Well, he couldn't get arrested. Couldn't not get a job. Because people thought he was gay? No, because it was so controversial. They just didn't want to touch him. You know, it was such a controversy at the time. I remember,

okay, I remember, and I was like 10 or 11, and I saw I was the youngest of five. So I got to see every movie, you know, I stayed up late for every. I loved hooker movies. I said my parents had no, they were exhausted. They didn't care. I never had my friend Liz goes, I remember you coming to like third grade at Catholic school would be like, did you see the mistress last night with Victoria Principal? And you're like, yes. Yeah. That's what I would say to her. And Liz would be like, no, we went to bed at nine. Like what are you doing at eight? Like I was like, my parents are up like and I'm just sitting there watching.

Like I was like, I was like so excited. That's and my son, my son, my son, my son. 10-year-olds the same way because it keeps going. It's today, Thursday. It's today, Thursday. Because he's so excited to see the Menendez brothers' murder miniseries. So am I, by the way. But you're 10-year-old? Wow. Well, he's almost 11. Anyway. But again, I'm like, I kind of parent like my mom in that respect. But anyway, it all worked out. So,

because I knew about Harry Hamlin's movie. You did. At 11. Well, I knew a gay was very young. So, like, I, my parents had gay, when they were in real estate. So they had gay clients. Oh, cool. And then I remember going to the gay client's house and he's like, and I go, wow, you have a lot of, you know, a lot of toilet paper or whatever. He goes, well, my friend is very, you know, wants to always stock up on stuff.

And I'm like, you mean your boyfriend? And they were like, oh my gosh. Because here, like, my parents, you know, went to Catholic, here's this little eight-year-old who goes to Catholic school. And I'm like, well, aren't you guys like a couple? And they're like, okay. Like, you know. You are so ahead of your time.

I'm so... I didn't know anything. I don't even think I'd ever... Do you know now? I do now, no. Yes. It's taken, what, 50 years and I now now. Oh, okay.

Yeah. No, I knew everything. Wow. So that's crazy. So it did hurt him then. It did. And he didn't care. If you ask him today, if he would do it again, he would say yes, absolutely.

Did he ever get jealous when Brokeback Mountain came out? Because talk about being ahead of your time and being born in the wrong era. Well, I think that, you know, Harry is very much, Harry Hamlin is very much like that. Can you ever just call him Harry? I do. Okay. We call him H.H. a lot. Okay.

All right. Harry was ahead of his time in many, has been in many things, like over and over and over again. So yeah, you know, at that point or seeing Philadelphia or nowadays, it's so accepted. It's so different. But, you know, he has people come up to him daily thanking him and saying, that, you know, they came out because of that movie, Andy Cohen will tell you, that that movie was like a huge part of his, you know, growing up and being able to, you know, it's like the first time they ever got to see, you know, that on screen.

Right. So Harry's been ahead of his time in a lot of things. It's just who he is. He would never take it back. And, you know, he was offered a Warner Brothers contract way back in the day. I mean, he could have been the biggest movie star ever, like ever, ever, ever. Why didn't you take it? He didn't take it.

I'm like, why didn't you take it? Because, of course, I say yes to everything. He turned it down. I'm like, you are crazy. He turned it down because he didn't like, they wanted him to be Tarzan. Remember way back in the day? So that was the first movie they wanted him to do is Tarzan. He was like, I'm not doing it.

And then they wanted him to do Saturn 3 with Farah Fawcett. And he was like it was the worst piece of shit script ever. I mean, he's classically trained. He's a stage actor. And so he's very, very, very picky about what he does. So now he can be very, very picky because the duster cardigan has made it for us. No, not just the duster cardigan. Of course.

Lots of things. Good damn business. But it's really great. Now he can just, he doesn't have to take a bad TV movie, a bad sitcom or something that he doesn't want to do. He can do like really great stuff. He can go do theater in New York. He can do everything that he's always wanted to do. So you're working at the eyeglass place.

Yeah. And now where are you in your career at that place? point. What have you done? I've done a lot of commercials. So at this point, I've probably done like 13 Taco Bell commercials. And you still have to work at the eyeglass place? I was collecting unemployment. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. How are you collecting unemployment while working at the eyeglass place? Well, oh shit. Ray, maybe don't. I'm just kidding. Do you imagine someone comes after her 20 years later? Can I get arrested for that? Probably. My friend owned the store. And so he had me working there and he just paid me cash. Oh, God. I know. So scandalous. That's the most scandalous. That's the most

scandalous thing. That's what's going to come out at the reunion. Lisa Renna is collecting cash under the table while she's collecting unemployment. Annie Cohen. Heather McDowell from Woodland Hills said, is it true? From Beaver Creek, Nebraska said, is it true that you've collected a point? Then somebody whips out. I'd love it if someone just played my podcast.

Can we do that? And then we're in and get this thing going. Yeah. Okay, so he strolls in to pick up the glasses. Yeah. And now he is recently broken his engagement with Nicolette Sheridan. No, they were married. Oh, they were married.

They were married. And she had just left him for Michael Bolton. This is a true story. But I don't know that. So he strolls in. So you think he's married to Nicolette Sheridan? Yes. And he's like, I'm here to pick up my glasses.

And I give him his glasses. and you know, you're just like, oh my God, that's Harry Hamlin. Was he at all flirty with you? No, not at all. Okay. No, it was very business-like. Okay, so then what happens? So my friend who owns the eyeglass store happens to be friends with Nicolette and Harry.

Okay. So there's a little crossover there. So one night I go to give Brad the key. To the store. To the store, because you won't let me have the key. I have to like go and deliver it to him. He's always up there for dinner. Okay.

So I worked from like six to ten. So at ten I would go and give the key to Brad or he, be there. Okay. At the Hamlins. Okay. At the eyeglass store. Oh, at the eyeglass store. Oh, at the eyeglass store. So I went to give Brad the key and he's having dinner with Harry over at Shane's. Okay. Which is now Ilsegretto. So we've been up there for a long time. 25 years. I've been with Harry now. Quarter of a century. Just this January 1st, it's quarter of a century. So I go to give them the key or give Brad the key and he goes, sit down with us. They're having dinner. So I sit down and order a glass of wine and, and we start chatting. I just seen Cirque to Soleil for the first time. And I was so blown away by it. I mean, the very first time you've seen Cirque to Soleil, you're like, oh, my God. So I'm telling them all about this. And I'm just like, you know, chattering away like I do. And I leave and it was like fine, right? I didn't think twice about it, really. Because you think he's married. Right. I think he's married. So I'm having drinks with a married man and my friend. Yeah. Bachelor friend Brad. Yeah. So I'm living in Brentwood at the time we had answering machine. Yes, I remember. And I'm in the shower and I hear the answering machine go off. I turn it off and I hear my friend Brad say, hi, Lisa.

It was really great last night. Harry really had a good time. And if he were single, he would like to date you. I was like, that's so fucked up. He's not single. Right. He's married. You know, that's, I was like, ew, you know?

Well, he wasn't married. So then what did you do? So you called Brad and you was like, what the hell? I don't remember that. I don't know if I talked to him or what. what? I just thought that was weird. And then I found out that, because the press came out, that Nicolette had left him for Michael Bolton. And then what happened? Then did you go on a date? Then it took a while. It's a long involved story. It takes way too long to tell it. But we do

finally go on a date. And how many dates before you bone? Well, at least 10 because I make him go get an AIDS test. This was right like in the... After that movie. Just kidding. in the midst of like, well, this is 25 years ago. It was like, you don't sleep. I was really, like, you have to have an AIDS test. He was like, what are you talking about? I was like, I'm not sleeping with you unless you have an AIDS test. I've had one. Look, here. I was weird about it at the time. That's good. I guess back then, you know, it was. Yes. I haven't been with many men. People should be more like that. So I made him go get an AIDS test. And once he got his papers back, then you went for it. Once he was okay, then we, but I made. But I made him.

made him wait, which was good. Right. You know, we went on 10 dates before we slept together. He was pretty pissed, but he stayed in it. Yeah. Think about it. That's a long time. He was like pissed.

I remember one of my best friend, like I was dating Peter. I dated Peter too. Well, it's not the same one, but whatever. But he said we've been on a couple dates and we hadn't slept together. And he's like, hey, would you like to, I have this thing. like he was in sales and he was like I have this room or like whatever a package deal at the Hyatt and San Diego that's going to expire. Wow how sexy. Yeah I was

pretty excited. No it wasn't the Hyatt it was it was one of these San Diego ones. Okay but it's right on the water. Nice. And I'm like 28. Okay so yeah that's exciting. I like excited please. Yeah. So my friend goes don't do it Heather. Don't go. It's too soon and if he is really the one you've the rest of your life to go to the Hyatt and San Diego.

we've never fed to the Hyatt and San Diego. So whenever we pass, because it's kind of near where I do this, where I do comedy in San Diego, and I'm always like, I always bring it up and it'll be in the car,

and I'm like, I turn down that weekend, the Hyatt and San Diego, because we had the rest of our lives to bone. And it's your husband. He is my husband. Okay, so there. Currently still. It worked.

So now you and Harry dated for how many years before engagement? Five. Now, did you think he wasn't ever going to ask you? Yeah, I was getting to that point. You know, he'd already been married twice. Who was the first one? Laura Johnson. Is that just what?

She was on Falcon Crest. Oh, he's only dating famous ladies. He likes his ladies. He likes his famous ladies. You know, Ursula is his baby mama. Ursula Andrus. He has a child? Yes, Dmitri.

How old is she? Well, Dmitri is his son, who's 36, but he was with Ursula first. Oh. So then he was with Laura Johnson, but he didn't marry Ursula. So he's with Laura Johnson, married, and then I don't know how long. But no kids with her. No kids with her. No kids with Nicolette. No kids with Nicolette.

Only married Nicolette for 11 months. Oh, okay. That wasn't very long. So he wasn't really excited. This was going to be hard to get him to the altar. He was not real excited to get married. One baby mama, two ex-wives. He was like, I don't think so.

And how? And he's older than you, like what, five years older? He's 12 years older. Oh, he's 12 years older. Yeah. I know. How fucking old is Harry Hale? She's kidding. He's older than anyone thinks. He's like, he's pretty, I mean, really. Okay. So wait a minute. Okay. So now, but now you're in your 30s. And so you're like, what are we doing here? That's right. So we go to Tahiti about a year and a half after we start dating. And this is back when people had babies in their 30s, not at 50. Right. Like Janet Jackson today. Yeah. So I mean, I'm like ticking. Ticken. It's ticking. So about a year and a half in, we go to Tahiti. And I think for sure he's going to propose to me in Tahiti. He just, I mean, he's going to, right? It's Tahiti. But you talk as a couple. You're living together. And you're talking about marriage or does he always get weird about it? We're not really talking about it. No. Are you talking about having a baby? No. We're not really talking much about anything. Did you ever think about just getting knocked up? Yeah. Were you trying to do that? No, because I was on the pill. But did you ever just like look at the pill and like pretend to stick to. in your mouth and then no because I'm too I'm a good girl and I like I follow the rules and you

wanted to have the wedding yeah of that stomach of course and you know what I just I always felt like if it was going to happen we would be married I just I did I never saw it any other way so smart of you most women would have fucked it up most would have but you know what it came to a point where I was like you know what you need to do your thing because he was fucked up after Nicolette left him from Michael And they're not together, right? No. Okay. No, but he was.

I mean, he didn't see it coming. So imagine. Like, you're married to this woman. So that she was having an affair. Well, she went to the Hollywood Bowl one night and saw him and then had an affair with him that night. What's a Michael Bolton song? Yeah. I did get to, this was really a funny story.

I did get to see him because, you know, I always say thank you Michael Bolton because If they weren't for Michael Bolton, I would not have my beautiful children. And so about two years ago, we were at the, you have a Michael Bolton song? About two years ago, we were at the Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Yes. And I know Michael Bolton. I've known him for years, but haven't seen him, you know, really much since I've been with Harry. And Harry wasn't really a real fan of his after that had happened.

Right. But I always said, God, if I ever, like, be in the car and a song would come on. And he would turn it off. Oh, yeah. For sure. Oh, for sure. I mean, now he doesn't care. But we're sitting there and I go, I got to go over and thank him. I just do. Like, there's Michael Bolton. There's my chance. So I walk over. Hi, Michael. How are you? He's really nice and cordial. And I take his hand and I go, I just have to thank you. I've always wanted to send you flowers, but I haven't. But I have to thank you because if it weren't for you, I would not have my beautiful family. He takes my hands and he looks at me and he goes, you are so well. Welcome. It was such a good moment. I'll never, ever, ever forget it. Okay. So you go to Tahiti. Yeah. You make sure you have a manicure in case you get your diamond. I'm thinking for sure. And then I get nothing. And I'm pissed. So now you're a bitch on the 12, 14 hour flight home.

I'm a bitch on the trip. And Harry's like, what's wrong? And I'm like, well, I thought you were going to propose to me. You say it. Of course. I'm going to say it. Well, I'm not going to. I wasn't going to. I was like, oh, damn. So we had to kind of get over that hurdle. And, you know, then about five and a half years later, he asks me at dinner. Like, we're sitting at dinner. So wait, the Tahiti happened how soon after dating?

One and a half years. So that's the appropriate time. Then he says, I'm not. And then you just go on with your life. And then the clock really starts ticking. Now you're at year five. Now you're still not saying anything? Well, so long ago, I don't remember.

I think I was working on the soap, so I was so busy. Okay, so you didn't care. I don't care. I'm learning 40 pages of dialogue a day, right? I'm just trying to get through. It's when your hope, right? Was there with Billy. Oh, Billy, sorry.

Billy, but Hope and Billy. It's the same. They were with both, so it's similar. So I think I was so immersed in that. Like, I could just only survive. Okay. So I wasn't thinking of marriage. So we were having dinner one night and he proposed to me at dinner, like just out of the blue.

And did he have a ring? He did. And did you like it? I do. Oh, so good. You never changed it or anything. No. Classy lady. I love it.

It was his mom's diamond. His mom's or his grandmother's diamond. Wow, that's cool. So it's pretty and I love it. And there you go. So I said yes. And then how soon after was the wedding? And did you have a decent-sized wedding?

It was almost about nine months, eight months later, and we had 170 people at the house in her backyard. It was gorgeous. Nice. Gorgeous wedding. And then. How soon after that was the first baby? Six months. Oh, so you're already knocked up?

Yeah, I got knocked. Well, not, I got knocked up like in September. You were engaged? No, I got knocked up. We were married March 29th, and I got knocked up in September. Oh, so you still had the flat stomach for that wedding. Oh, yeah, I wore gorgeous Vera Wang. Fabulous.

Still have it? I do, of course. Good. Yeah, she sent me like 15 sketches of dresses. Pick one. And were you like in a people spread? No. No, no, no. I don't think so. I didn't even have it videotaped. I didn't want any. We didn't want any. Yeah. I wish we would have now. Yeah. But no, we didn't do that. I mean, I would now, of course. My God, I would sell my flipping soul, which I already have 10 times over. Have they ever approached you the producers and said, why don't we do a wedding renewal? It's your 25th wedding anniversary? No, they haven't, but I think you just gave them an idea. Thanks, Heather.

Well, it's not a real original idea. But why wouldn't you? Why not? Why not? You could have everything you didn't have at the first one. I had everything at the first one, though. You didn't have it videotaped by Bravo. I didn't, but I think we're good. You're never going to get Harry Hamlin to do that, ever. Never. I haven't tried yet.

You would never get him to. Can you put him on the phone? I could try, but he would not. He won't participate in a vour renewal on a reality show. No. Speaking of reality shows, you guys had a little reality show somewhat. On TV land. That's right.

With the girls when they were younger. How many years ago was that? 2009, 2008. Was it like Lisa loves Harry or something? Harry loves Lisa. Oh, I think. We wanted to do like an I Love Lucy type of a show. We wanted it to be called I Love Lisa.

They wouldn't let that happen. So they called it Harry loves Lisa. We wanted to do it a certain way. They didn't want to do it that way. How did you want to do it? We wanted to do it very much like just follow our love. I mean, we had the stores, we had Belle Gray. There was a shitload of drama going on with our employees and everything.

They didn't want to do that. Now, again, I believe Harry Hamlin was ahead of his time. Again, he was. And they were like, no. He was gay too soon. And he was exploiting his family too soon. Way too soon. And this was a tough time.

This is when we had no money. So this came along. This is when you were folding the jeans yourself. Yep. No money. And we were like, well, they're going to pay us a lot. of money to do this show. Was it your idea or did someone approach you with the idea? We had talked about it and then somebody approached us to do a show and then we had that idea.

So it like came together like that. And then they didn't do that idea at all. So we only did six episodes? And they did it what? More more kind of more scripted like a curb sort of? It was kind of more scripted. It was like we want this beginning, middle and end. Okay. It's nothing like what we do on the housewives is what I can tell you. Housewives happens Like you have no idea Fastballs are being thrown to the back of your head

Like you just don't know What's going to happen You told me When we saw each other Last year at the HBO Golden Globe Party Year ago Yes that

It's the easiest job You've ever had Is that what I said? Yeah Well it is in a sense That you just show up Harry Hamlin Is on the set

14 hours a day Learning dialogue I'm drinking with a gals That's right I show up and go a facial, you have a massage, you go to dinner, or you go to someone's house? I mean, are you kidding me? It is the easiest fucking job on the planet. Exactly. That's what you told me a year ago. It is. Come on. It's not even like a job. I mean, we are lucky. And when anybody complains,

I will bitch slap them. Now, don't you think you being a working actress has worked your ass off juggling commercials, eyeglassware, trying to nail down here at Hamlin. saving your last egg, hoping to get pregnant, fucking worked it. And then these women that have never even auditioned for a high school play are your co-stars. And they're bitching about the mic pack being cold. How do you deal with that? Well, you know, I don't. I really don't.

I do have a rule, though. If anybody is not nice to the crew, they will hear. from me. I will say... And has anyone not been nice to the crew? Yes. Who? I'm not going to say who. Hmm. She'll tell me after her. Well, I'm not going to say who, but she's no longer on the show. There have been people that are not nice to the crew, and you have to be nice to the crew. Like, they push them and they yell at them, and they do things that are so inappropriate. Are there people that don't let the crew use their bathrooms at their home when you're filming?

I don't know that. I would have to... because I'm not there necessarily. I think everybody lets the crews use their bathroom. It's such a nice crew. We have the nicest. I'm sure you do. Like, we really do. Like, they're great.

It's one of the reasons why I'll go back. I go back because the crew's so nice. And they're fun. They're so nice. The girls love them. Like, they're really a great crew. Let me just see if what I've... What do you want to know?

What's the least favorite show you've ever worked on or actor? I can't. And it could be a housewife. I can't say. I won't say, but there is one. but I won't say. Is it someone that was tweeting you last night? No. No.

Interesting. Yeah. What's the least favorite show you've ever worked on? A job. That you can say. God, I really have been super duper, duper, duper lucky. All right. Well, then forget that question.

Yeah, no. There isn't a bad one. You seem to have a really great marriage with Harry Hamlin. Seems like you guys are down to fuck a lot. Have you ever had a rough, a real rough period? No. In the beginning, it was a little bit rough. With the babies?

No, before the babies. Oh, and you're waiting to get the ring. Yeah. It was a little rough in the beginning because he was just not ready. You know, his head was not in the game, let's say. So in the very beginning, it was rough. And we went to therapy. And we went to therapy before you got married.

Yes, we did. How about that? Well, normally I would say if you have to go to therapy before you get married, you shouldn't bother. Right. But in your case, it worked. It worked. And we needed to. I think maybe when you're dealing with a guy that, you know, again, divorced twice, then maybe I'm going to say that probably is wise.

It was really wise. And we had a great therapist, great therapist. Now, did you, were you a stepmother to the Dimitri? Yeah. Well, I never thought of myself as a stepmother. But did he come around a lot? Or was it? At that time, he was 11 when we met.

So he was living in Rome with his mother. So I didn't get to see him a whole lot. He'd come for the summer and he would come for spring break. But he was going to school in Rome. And then he ended up going to Princeton and graduating. I mean, he's... What does he do now? He's an artist.

Oh, cool. Yeah. He's really smart. He's gorgeous. Is he married? He's not. Hmm. Well, ladies.

Look him up. I know. Well, he has a girlfriend. Oh, well, never mind. All right, your hair. Okay. I think it's great. Thank you.

I personally have only changed my hair once. You know, that's what's so funny to me. Everybody has their same hairstyle, pretty much. If you think about it, look at all the girls that have had long hair their whole lives. But there's something about my hair being short that seems to garner that. It's short. It's highlighted. It's like done in the same way.

It's never like you do like quirky curls or anything. Like you always do it the same style because that's what looks good. It seems to work that way. I mean, it's just easy. I mean, I wore it off my face that one time on Andy's show and it like flipped everybody out. It made the fucking papers. You know what I mean? It like was the headliner on the Daily Mail.

I mean, come on. It's funny. Yeah. To me, it's just funny. And is it a wig? Pull it. No, it's not. Everybody, I just touched it.

You touched it. Of course you're going to ask me that. That storyline will just never die. And so with a Vidal Sassoon girl who's coming on, how did she come about to get on the show? I don't know. I'd heard, you know, that's where the eyeglass store is up there. So, I mean, I live up there and I saw that she'd opened a Pilates studio.

And I remember one day my daughter and I were peeking in going, oh, we should come take Pilates here. I didn't really know Eden. I just knew of her. So did you suggest her then for the show? No. I'd never even met her. So then all of a sudden they're like, we have this new girl that it's going to be part of the show.

You're going to go do Pilates with her. And you're like, oh, my daughter, am I thinking about getting a membership? Exactly. Like 100% that just like what you said. Like, Lisa, you're going to go here and you and Eric are going to go take Pilates at Eden's Pilates. I'm like, okay. So they were just trying her out, basically. Because they had decided to hire Dorete.

She was up for it. And they decided to hire Doreet instead of Eden as a full-time housewife. Okay. I'm told this. And then I think they thought maybe they needed a little more energy or a little more something. So they were still intrigued by Eden. So they wanted to see how she'd work with everybody. Right.

Do you know what I mean? Okay. So that's how it began. So now in the future episodes, she gets seen more. Yes, because I have a connection with her and have a lot in common with her, it turns out. Oh. You'll see this week. But it doesn't involve boy George.

It does not involve boy George. No, but... I mean, can we just talk about this whole thing? A lot of questions about Doreet. A lot of... What do you think of Doreet? What do you think of the new energy and the new cast? The Doreet is...

I think it's always good to bring in someone new. I think the new energy is so good. So good. And I feel the argument that... that are happening are a little pushed and a little contrived and, to be totally honest. Yeah. And I think she is some, I think what happens is sometimes people come on. And what I liked about Erica Jane, who came on my show, is she really didn't watch the show before.

I know. And unfortunately, I think it's very hard to find someone who's never seen it. That's never seen it. Because it's a show that's intriguing to people like us and our age. So most women love it. Yeah. And so it would be very rare. that you'd find someone that's like, no, I mean, occasionally I meet women that don't watch it.

But I'm like, so, and I think that really works. But then I think oftentimes you get somebody and they've studied it, you know, and it's like, oh, I should make a big deal out of this and I should do that. I think you have a point. I think that, you know, if you can come on and be your authentic self and try not to create anything or push anything, that's the key to being a good housewife. Yeah. And it'll happen.

It'll happen. But if you come on with a mindset of I need to be like this. this, it never works. Right. That's my take on. And Dorit has, you know, this weird accent. It's a little bit English. Sometimes it's a little Vietnamese.

It's very strange. And I thought the funniest part about the first time they come to meet Lisa Vanipub for dinner is she's like, you know, I am not attracted to attractive people. You could give me the most gorgeous man on earth and I don't want him. That's why I love Pek. When Peké entered the room, I said, now that is someone for me because I don't like attractive people. I was like, holy shit. And then he's sitting there and he's like, who are watching it? My sons are like, oh my God, who is he married to?

And I go, he's married to this girl in the red dress, you know? And it's like so great to watch shows with like kids like that. So then. I know, right? They ask all these questions. Yeah. And she's like, I'm someone who. When I have a dinner party, I want everyone to have a wonderful time.

Well, who wants people to have a horrible time? What is that? It's like, I want that have a wonderful. I hope you would. And it's all about, you know, it's bringing people together. And in this town, in this town, do they make you guys say this town a lot? They don't make you say anything. Well, I feel like her and Kyle say in this town so much.

I wonder why. Why is, like, I don't know. Are you trying to separate Beverly Hills so much from the other franchises? Because obviously, I feel like Beverly Hills in New York does stand out, obviously. There is more wealth and fame than New Jersey and OC. It's a different kind of crew. But, yeah. But like, I'm just like, really, like in this town, you need to have fresh flowers.

And I go through a lot of work for this. It's very, and then that car. And then when she's like, I mean, I mean, I. I know Boy George. Okay, no offense to Boy George. It's Housewives? What is it? Who the fuck is like whacking off to Boy George at Provo?

Like, why are everyone so excited about it? I think he's perfectly nice. I, you know, I love Boy George. And I believe. Love Boy George growing up. I mean, my God, it's Boy George. But I feel like people had to, in other people's confessionals are talking about Boy George. And I'm like, is some big thing happening with Big Boy George in the season?

All I know is he's on Celebrity Apprentice at the same time. So maybe there's some correlation there. I don't know. You know? Like all of a sudden, I just know that you'll see. Do you really want to hurt me? Now, you thought Erica Jane was a little sexy in her video last year. Seems like you guys are fine this year.

I love her. I have gotten to know her. I think we've gotten a chance to get to know one another. Yeah. Erica Jane. Yeah. Lisa Renan and I are both cancer. That's good.

I noticed that she's talking kind of like a 40s film star lately. I love it. I like it too. I think it's fabulous. I like it too. When you are fabulous and you've got the money to be fabulous, why not be fabulous? Oh, so good.

I know I've really gotten close to Erica this season and we're having a lot of fun. We have fun together. We do. Do you think you are more obsessed with her than Eileen Davidson? Or is she the most obsessed with Erica Jane? You know, she was the most obsessed with Erica Jane, but I think now we've all become obsessed with Erica Jane. Okay. That's the truth.

I think we've now all surpassed Eileen maybe. I don't know. Eileen really does love Erica. Except not Doreet. Dorete doesn't necessarily love Erica. Or we'll see. Well, what do you think? Well, no, because I know, I know Boy George.

I don't know her. You know, iTunes hits. darling i didn't write it for you you're good i could just listen to you and sit you could just do the show while we're sitting here i basically do the whole show you're so good what about vanderpump how's everything going on with her i'd like a fucking apology lisa i was like what is she doing you're gonna apologize to her i did already i don't remember you're I apologize to why you're dancing. I'm dancing. I said, sorry, it was hard on you. That's all she's getting. Just that right there. I've let it go. I've moved on. In the months in between of filming. Six months. There's six months in between. Who do you talk to? I talk to Eileen, Erica, and Kyle. Those three. Okay. Who's left? Well, there's Vanderpump and Derreet and... Who's the other one?

Who's the other one? Are we missing? Wait. There's me. Eileen. Erica, Kyle, Vanderpump, Dereet. That is it? That's it. There's only six of us. Oh, Yolanda left. Yeah. And Eden's a friend.

Right. Right. Okay. And she's just new. When did you finish the last day of filming? October. End of October. Did you have a Halloween blowout?

It was not a Halloween blowout, but it's a party at somebody's house. But you don't wear costumes? No. We have a party coming up where we wear costumes. Well, of course. You always have to wear costumes. We have a Gatsby party. I'll just tell you.

You already had a Gatsby party. I know. It's like Chris Jenner's member. That's where we saw each other. Right. But you already had a Gatsby party. Kyle had one like two seasons ago. Well, I missed it because we have another one.

We had a Moulin Rouge party. No, you had. Was there a Gatsby party? Okay. People that are fans of the show. Okay. Did we have one already? When Kyle had a lady sitter.

The lady sitter who I love. Yes. He is now like doing news on E. He's great. He just interviewed me. He's great. No, he's great, isn't he? The lady sitter helped her put that party together.

It was a small party. Everybody had to dress in, you know. Well, we do it again. Well, we're back. But now it's called the Gatsby party. Do you do a wig or do you wear your own hair for the Gatsby party? I do a wig. Okay.

Because you can't. This can't be 20s. No, it can't. And so are there more than 12 people at the party? Yes. It's a big party. Oh. It's super big party.

Why don't I get invited? I like to be an extra at reality show, parties and weddings. I'm not sure why, but it was a big party. It was in Malibu and it was freezing cold. That's... That sucks. It was tough. It was right out there on the bluff.

I hate being outside freezing in an outfit. Your little toes are cold. We have no clothes on, but I mean, you know... Yeah, you have to wear the 20s outfit. The little outfits. And it's, we're on the dance floor. The dance floor is wet because it's right, we're like right off the ocean. Yeah.

Up on the bluff. Who has the party? It's Kyle who has the party at one of Maurizio's properties. Oh, that's nice. It's really beautiful. Did it sell after that or will it after we see it? It's huge. I mean, I think it's a lot of money. Well, that's a good crossover marketing. Yeah, well, they're smart. I don't care. Go for it. Are you kidding? What else? Why else would you do this show? Of course. Hello? You better have something to sell. You got to sell your go cheese balls. You got to sell your dusters. You better sell something. And you got to sell your high-end property. Right.

You're stupid if you're not selling something. You are not doing. You are not doing. it justice if you don't sell. What's Zurich going to sell? Boy, George? I think I, who knows? No, you have to sell something. You have to do something. Otherwise, why put yourself, why do the show? So when the show came up? Yeah. Was Harry Hamlin down for it? No. No, don't you know the story? Harry Hamlin said, I will divorce you if you do the show. Swear to God. Even after you said, but Heather McDonald at Ross's book party says I should do it. Yeah, he said. And he said, Who the fuck is Heather McDonald? I will divorce you if you do this show.

And I went, oh, okay, then I, fine. And then I walked out of the room. That was it. And I was like, okay, we're not doing it. And then what happened? And then about 24 hours later, Harry Hamlin had thought about it. He'd had a long thought about it. And I'd already started my QVC line.

So he thought, hmm, as Harry Hamlin would do, you'd speak like this. I've been thinking about it. And I think it may be a good. marketing opportunity. Just like that. I'm like, really? Yeah, I think we should think about it. I went, okay.

So then he basically was his idea. And then once it was his idea, I ran with it. And I was like, okay, let's try to do it. Now let's be honest. Your Teresa flipping tables moment was broken glass. Don't you talk about my husband? Yeah. With Kim Richards.

Yeah. What was going through your head? I'll tell you, I'm going to be flat out honest about this moment. I would never have expected that to happen in a million years. We're in Amsterdam. We're jet lagged. You get off the plane. You're filmed.

You're this, you're that. You go right to dinner. Right. We sit down, not five minutes into that dinner. There hasn't been one ounce of alcohol poured like nothing. Okay. That happens. She brings that up.

She says that. I know. I know about your husband. She just provokes and provokes. And I just... Do you think that she saw the movie making love? in 1981 and that's what she was getting at. I don't. I think she just made the fucker up.

Just for shits and giggles, baby. And why did you get so incensed? If it was just for shits and giggles, well, I think she had already really just pissed me off. Like, I was already just pissed off. Like she, we weren't speaking at that point. You know, we'd had a moment where she just, you know, it was a little produced to me.

It felt just a little too produced, you know. And she came in with the agenda knowing. It wasn't organic. And I don't know. It just totally press my button. I didn't expect it. Would not have guessed. I would ever do anything like that.

I was just flipping pissed. And what did Harry think? Harry laughed. Harry thought it was funny. He laughed to this day about it. It didn't give him a boner the way you just got so angry. He did like it. He was like you are such a fucking rock star.

He did like that. He loved that because, I mean, you know, it's pretty attractive, I think. When you see your spouse stand up for you like that. Right. I don't know. She just pissed me off. Like I just, you know when somebody just presses your button? Yeah. Yeah. There's some people that you're just never going to click with. Never. You're never going to click with.

No. There's times when you both want to, but you still can't like get in a groove of a conversation. It's like you're just not. And then I think with her, you know, her problem with addiction and your history. And it's like I have siblings that have had addiction problems and stuff. I'm not someone that has ever taken a Xanax or an Ambien. So I don't take that shit lightly. I don't think it's funny. And I think that's, you know, so it's like you're a little not tolerant of that bullshit.

It was tricky, to be honest with you. It was really tricky. And then she comes around again, right? She comes around next week. She comes, they just drop her down from the sky. They like plop her down. I sit down at this party and she just plops down across from me. I'm like, oh, shit.

And just some shit go down? Well, you'll have to wait and see. I hope so. I hope so. You've seen the preview, haven't you? Yeah, but you know, you never know. Sometimes they trick you with the previews. I know.

They did that twice with New Jersey. It really pissed me off. They acted like Teresa and Melissa were in a fight, but it was a joke. Oh, really? Or Teresa and Jacqueline, but it was like they're playing a prank on their husband. Oh, I don't like that. I thought that was a little too trickery. No, you can't be trickery like that.

Yeah. So it's okay that I don't know who you're talking about, but that's the shit better be like real anger when I see it on Tuesday. You'll see. You know, I think what I'm going into this year is I want to move on from that. Like, I'm done with it. Like, I don't want to go there. I don't want to rehash it.

We've tried to rehash it so many times. You're right. I'm just done with it. Like, I'm done. I don't want to talk. I want to be nice. I want to be cordial. We don't have to be best friends.

Nothing. But I want to try to move on. Yeah. That's my goal. And I think it's always hard with the Kyle element of it. The Kyle element is very. tricky. Yeah. It's super, super, super tricky because it just is, you know? Yeah, but she's like, oh, fuck, you know? I mean, it's her sister. Yeah. Period. End of story. Like, if I get into it

with her sister, it's her sister. She's going to always stand behind her sister and rightfully so. So it does get, it gets messy at times. But I'm really trying to move forward and to somehow just be done with that, do you know? Because you carry it with you. Well, Lisa, I feel like we got a lot of juicy scoop out of you today. I hope so. I thoroughly enjoying it. Me too. I want to follow in your footsteps.

I want to sell stuff on QVC. It's so great. I want my sons to be models. Okay. I want my husband to star as a gay man before his time. Or wear a toga. Whatever it takes. Right?

You're so cute. No. Great. So thank you so much. Everybody knows. Everybody knows if they're not following her already. It's just your name, right? At Lisa run on Instagram. Lisa run on Twitter. Everything. Of course. The show is Tuesday night. Real Houseface Beverly Hills on Bravo. Thanks. You know, we had our highest rated show, second highest rated show last week of the entire seven years. That's awesome. Isn't that awesome? Yeah. That's great. It's really cool after seven years to have your second highest rated show. I think the first highest rated show was.

was that episode where Kyle accuses Kim of being an alcoholic. I think that's my favorite thing. You stole my house! That was the first, I think, highest rated. So last week was the second highest rated in the entire series. That's pretty cool after seven years. I mean, hopefully more and more people are discovering it and then get into it. And if you haven't, you can catch up. Well, I think it's great with new energy. You know, we've got some new energy going and it's working. Yeah. Good. Good. I'm going to be about that. Great. All right. Thanks, Heather. Well, I have so much to discuss on Patreon this week. I can't wait for you guys to hear it. There's so many things that I am specifically saving for Patreon about this interview and many other things going on. And you go to Heather MacDallon.net

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