Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Marciano of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Tells All!

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I've got such a juicy interview for you today. First, we have to catch you up on what has happened since we had our last show. Well, on the flight back from Las Vegas to Georgia, Porsche from Real House of Atlanta was flying in first class. and next thing we know she was coming off the plane being escorted by police or FBI

I'm not really sure you know with body cams and everything and people didn't know what happened she came off calm she wasn't in handcuffs and since then TMZ has given us the body cam of Portia as well as the woman

that she had the argument with so they appear to be both that they were in first class and um and so the woman said Porsche she didn't know who she was was watching her Instagram which was very loud scrolling through it for about 30 minutes without her earphones and the woman said um do i have to listen to this for the whole flight and Porsche then took offense to that and said you could say something a little kind you could say it to me kinder if you don't like it, you could say it's anyway kinder. They both kind of say that an argument ensued

and the other woman got out her phone to film to kind of protect herself because she said at that moment, either they were in the air or about to, but the flight attendants could not assist in any way as the argument was being heard because they were strapped in to take off or they're already in the air. It's important whether they were in the air or not because then that is, is a federal issue or is it a state situation. So the woman says then she took out her phone to maybe film this argument and that's when

Portia pushed her phone away and the phone went down the aisle and that is where you know that I don't know if they got if they had to move places from each other it's a long flight from Vegas to Georgia to Atlanta but

they both spoke to officers after coming out so we'll see what happened But it seems like that woman says she didn't know who she was. So if she was coming for BravoCon, she wasn't familiar with Real Housewives of Atlanta. So, but nobody was hurt and no one was arrested. However, Mia of the Real House of Potomac was arrested. She is no longer on this season.

She did not appear at BravoCon. And she was arrested. We also got BodyCam footage of her in a jail being, you know, taking her mugshot, by the way, the mugshot was very attractive, because she is being accused of stealing $11,000 worth of furniture from a condo that she was renting. So I guess the condo came with furniture, and then she moved out and took all the furniture with her instead of leaving it there. And in the conversation she's having with officers, she's like, can I call this guy, he has the key to the storage facility where the furniture is. So,

Hopefully, somehow she may have forgotten that she never purchased this furniture. Usually, when you rent a furnished apartment, they don't say, do us a favor and take all of the furniture with you. So she's going to have to get out of that one. Also, this is sad news. Megan King Edmund's Real House of O.C. She was the detective that discovered that Brooks was faking cancer with Vicki, who has now just been honored with her orange to return the 20th season and she's a very smart girl and she lives in St. Louis because her ex-husband, she was the fourth wife of her ex-husband who was a famous baseball player.

I forgot his name, but his name is Edmonds. What? Jim. Jim Edmonds. He's since married his fifth wife. She was the fourth and they have three kids together, a girl and twin boys. And it has been a very tumultuous post-divor. life for them with custody and whatnot. And there was an incident a while back where his new

wife claimed that she came over to the house unannounced to drop off a dress and that caused a temporary restraining order or something. And then the news came out that she has temporarily lost custody of her children. And there's different reports of why I first thought it was just a result of the tumultuous toxic relationship between the three of them, parents. But now it appears that there might have been a something happened where one of her son is on a medication and the other twin received it by accident and therefore a nurse at the school called CPS. And I'm guessing if it's something like that, this will be just that a temporary thing. but I know her personally and she's a very dedicated mother and it's just very unfortunate when

kids are little and parents and step parents and you know exes are not getting along and then something like this can really be you know escalated and so we'll see we'll see these I don't know everything we don't know who's in the wrong but obviously everybody children want both their parents if they are healthy people um real how also as a Potomac couple. This is just a crime situation with these Bravo people. But their bank accounts have been seized. This is Wendy, Professor Wendy, and Happy Eddie,

who are being accused and were arrested for lying about a robbery, saying that someone robbed them, took their jewels, took their clothes, took their handbags. In fact, those items were returned prior to the robbery in which they got the cash back. they lied and said other things were stolen and then they were seen wearing the rings while filming Potomac.

They say it's all a big misunderstanding but according to the reports their bank accounts have been seized and secret emails and texts and apps are being exposed. So it's not looking good for them but she was at BravoCon and everyone was cheering her on

and she seemed very confident and happy. Also Karen Hugar who just got out of prison for doing six months for her fourth DUI when she drove herself into a tree she got a standing ovation so getting in trouble with the law is just the best thing

for to keep your employment at Bravo so that's great Shepros of Southern Charm got caught someone was filming him talking to other people at like a casino bar and he said he was just very annoyed with Paige on Southern Charm.

She was on Summer House. She's no longer on the show. She's a very successful podcast with Hannah Burner. And she was dating Craig from Southern Charm for years. And he's telling the people like, really, Paige, I mean, Shep's going, she's made millions off the backs of Bravo. and then she breaks up with Craig on her podcast. And I'm like, are you seriously mad that this woman who was not a cast member of Southern Charm,

though I'm sure she was paid for her appearances, because she didn't like call up the cameras and give them the exclusive and break up with him on camera when instead they broke up privately and then she shared her perspective on her own podcast, which is her right to do. and like he's literally bitter that like somehow they didn't get the action moment and like he's bagging on her he doesn't come off well um maricio kyle's husband did a very embarrassing

photo shoot for people magazine with women pulling his shirt off of him and it is the most cringy thing i thought the most cringy was him doing um lip syncing tic talks at his open houses no it's this photo shoot. When they're not, he's like he's single again. They haven't even filed. Kyle and he have not even filed yet. So we're just going to let these people be single and legally stay married because no one wants to give up the house in Lakeita. I don't know. It's fine, but I think it's embarrassing for the kids. And personally, I, my eyes were assaulted in when I was scrolling and I might just have to mute people for a minute. Just remember that he will never emotionally fulfill you. Just know that, Kyle, just know that from our, from our famous psychic

here at the infamous dinners. Chloe Kardashian, this just broke my heart. She was answering questions and it was about journaling. And she said, I always journaled since I was a teenager. I had all these journals. And while I was married to Lamar, he got paranoid. We know he struggled with drugs and alcohol. He found my journals, read some of them and got paranoid. And, she came home and he burned them all in a fire. Honestly, this is the worst story, and I can't believe she took this long to share it. And I don't know that she ever would have shared it

unless someone asked her and she was answering questions. I mean, that is so incredibly valuable, not only to yourself, to your memories, I wish I had journal like that. I wish I had these podcasts from the last 10 years if I ever want to listen back and reflect on my feelings and my Patreon. but the real journals of like how you felt at 16, 17, 18 when your dad was dying,

that would have been such valuable property being a famous person to write a book, whatever. I'm like, this is worse than his cheating, his drug use, anything. Maybe he wasn't in his right mind. She's so giving. But I think this is probably the cruelest thing that you could do to someone in your life is to burn their work, their memories, pen to paper, their children. their childhood, disgusting. God, she's a good person. There is a horrible update with this young girl who was found dead on a cruise. So she was a senior in high school looking to go to college, a cheerleader,

very cute. At first they didn't know where she was. Then they found her body under the bunk beds. So in a suite on the cruise, it was her. dad, her stepmom, and the stepbrother, that was 16, that mom's son, and then her younger, full brother. The five of them were sharing a room, the boys were in a bunk bed, and she had her own bed. And when the younger brother woke up, he didn't see her, and he just figured she was out with the parents or whatever. When they all got to breakfast and she was not there, they panicked and didn't know where she was. they found her wrapped up in a sheet under one of the bunk beds, and the 16-year-old stepbrother is now a suspect. So sad, so terrible, so strange, horrible for the family, horrible for her mother.

Where's her mother? My God. So we'll be following that. Okay, now let's get into our very juicy interview to remind you guys, I'm going to be covering more stuff that I have. haven't over the holidays on Patriots. You always want to be part of Patreon. You go to Heather MacDonald.net. This is all about Mormon wives, you guys. We are going to get into the secret lives of Mormon wives with the juiciest interview ever. Let's get into it. Let's go. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, I have a very juicy guest, and you're going to want to listen to this one and get all the juicy details. I've got Marciano Brunette, who was the star of the villa on Hulu, but is now the main talk and the storyline of the third season of Secret

Lives of Mormon Wives because two of the married, well, they're all married except for one girl, but two of the married girls had some relations with you. And welcome to Juicy Scoom. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Thank you for reaching out to come on because some people may remember I had two of your co-stars from the villa on about six months ago, Hannah and Hagan. And Hannah is your ex-girlfriend. Correct. And you guys were a couple living in Las Vegas. How many years were you together?

We've been on and off dating now for five years now almost. Yeah, it's been a while. So remind us, because I know she told us, but that was a lot of time ago. So you guys were bartenders, worked at a club. What was your role in Vegas? Yeah, yeah. So she used to work at clubs.

I did too as well. But once COVID happened, we transitioned into the restaurant business. And we started working at the same restaurant together. And so then how did the Hulu Villa opportunity come up? Yeah, absolutely. So I was asked by one of my other castmates on the show, Stephen, who was close with Lisa. Vanderpump. Yeah, Lisa Vanderpump.

And Lisa, like, when he referred me, she FaceTime me like the next day. And, you know, we started talking. She, I think, liked me. And then we started that process for a few months. And then, like, two, like a week or two weeks, two weeks before we started filming, they were looking for another girl. And at the time, me and my ex were not, we were not really talking. Like, we were not good. Okay.

She's the one who got me in the reality TV. You mean watching it, being a fan? She's the one who got me, like, watching Banderpup rules and all the housewives and stuff like that. So I was like, I knew how good she would be for TV that I was like, even if we're not in a good spot, I definitely think you should be here. So you weren't living together at that time to be. We were not living together at the time. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to refer.

and let's just do it. Let's see if she, you know, and once I referred her, yeah, I kind of just took off from there. Lisa loved her. Yeah, when I saw the cast in a little bit of it, I was like, oh my God, this is the Jacks and Stasi of the infantile years of Vanderpump rules, and it's a real relationship, and there's a real back and forth, and this is going to be, this is going to be good, you know, and then because, of course, Jackson and Stassie, after they broke up, still work together, and all that stuff. So I could see why she was excited and why the producers would be excited about it,

besides you guys being attractive and outgoing and all that. So you guys agree to do the villa. And they had shared that you go to this Italian villa. It is not a cool, breezy month to be in the inland part of Italy. So the actual place, the villa that you're working in

is quite sweaty. Yeah, it was very, very hot. I mean, first season was in. France second season but it was in Italy well that's right so this was the second season so you did all of France all of France and then and then did the Italy and so then an exciting thing the crossovers are fun on Hulu as well Bravo the a handful of the secret lives of Mormon wives come as vacationers at the villa correct and of those girls there was Demi Jesse who else was there Lela Michaela and Jen.

The Jen Affleck. Okay, so you guys all go and there's this flirting that we see watching the villa between you and Demi and Demi is married to an older guy who was divorced. I think she was also divorced prior to marrying him. Correct.

The whole thing with the Mormonism thing is just, I've talked about it because I'm like, I as a Catholic was kind of raised thinking the Mormons are way more like extreme and like you're married till you die and you don't drink coffee and you don't drink alcohol and like you know you're virgin when you get married and like this show could not be more opposite like multiple marriages by the time you're 30 divorced cheating talking about you know swinging I mean it's it's crazy but it's it's a gem for a reality show producer for sure. What was your thoughts when they came in? Well, here's the thing.

Their show hadn't come out yet. So they were just normal people to us. Oh, wait. So when they did that, not even season one had aired? Season one had not aired yet. Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah. So not only did I not know what Mom Talk was or anything about the swinging scandal,

nothing. I didn't know any of them. If you even wanted to go look at their, like, well, I remember because they had to post their trailer while they were there, actually, their first trailer. Oh. So, and I remember, like, once we left, getting all their Instagrams, and they had very minimal following. So, like, I had no idea.

I had no idea. I think Hannah maybe told me that about Taylor Frankie Paul, but that's it. Right. And, like, the swinging scandal. And they made us kind of aware that there was a swinging scandal, but we had no, we had no idea what this was. We just were told. And I'm just going to catch up the audience.

So there are these girls, and they really took off during the height of TikTok, like a little COVID post-COVID, you know, and they would dance in their young, beautiful moms in Utah with long flowing hair, and they had a following. And one day, Taylor, Frankie Paul, who's now currently filming the Bachelorette, she came clean and said, my husband and I, we have two kids, we swung with another couple, which then, I think season two, they reveal. the other girl. And we did soft swinging, but then season two, she's like, we had all four of us had sex in the same bed, like with their prospective husbands, but then another person, the other girl and her husband would have sex the same bed. We came out and there were other husbands there that took photos of us making out in short shorts. We took showers together. We, you know, it was beyond spin the bottle type of stuff. And so that is shocking. She gets divorced. She falls for another guy,

Taylor, what's her name? Frankie? What's her first? Taylor is her first name. Taylor falls for another guy named Dakota and they get pregnant and she has a baby with him. Currently they are

no longer together co-paring that her third child and she's doing The Bachelor. So that is really what I think sparked the interest of producers because here are these beautiful girls that were being so honest about their life. Like that's what you want.

is like, I mean, I think next, you know, I've watched a few episodes of this season, which just premiered and everyone's dying over it. But they talk about, you know, swinging, anal, cheating, like crazy shit. There was a season. There was another one where, like, the girl would, like, shove, like, a fruity cereal of twat or something.

There is a lot. There was a lot. Like, I cannot even, like, puts every other show to shame as far as like revealing yourself so okay so i think that's what makes it so crazy is the fact that they're Mormons and then you hear all these crazy stories of like and then nobody knows what Mormonism is and then they're like well these people are just crazy in general like what is it exactly but to be to be fair they're they are very forward and honest about everything yeah some of them i'm going to say some they're not they're very normal human beings and i think they're all fantastic

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coworker Hannah fills you in that there was this weird thing on TikTok with this one girl revealing that and it was like it was one of those things where she didn't have to tell it was I never heard heard of it she just was like I'm getting so many comments I need to tell you that yes we were swingers everyone's like why did you tell on your yourself but by telling on herself three years later two are and dancing with stars she's the bachelorette we're sitting talking about it so everything happens for a reason okay so you're in the they're posting their trailer for the for the first season of the show correct yeah so we didn't know who they were like I said and yeah they're posting the trailer for the first time and basically

we're just getting a feel for who they are as people before all of this comes out and like we didn't know what to think like whatsoever we just for me as a as in a male like I just saw very nice attractive women that were very cool to hang out with honestly they were very very and none of them drank no uh laela and jesse drank okay layla and jesse drank the others did not so so

what we see at the time there what they edited for us is that you and demi who was also married at the time are having like a flirty talking moments where they like show the camera from like above and you guys are on the lounge chairs um yeah i can get into that

actually a little bit um So we, we just kind of like hit it off right away. It was very consensual, just very, like, we were just easy just to talk to back and forth. And I could get into all of it, honestly, but I'll just, I'm just going to explain just this one, just this one part was just the fact that we had hit off so well. And I think she just kept, I think she had heard enough from my ex and other people that, like, you know, I'm damaged or whatever. like I have this persona about me and she kept saying that she wanted to have a therapy session and like try and like change

me or work work this out with me and like you know try and basically I don't know get to know who I really was Why would someone say that you were damaged? Well I don't know if that was the word she was using or somebody else was but she just felt like

she wanted to be in the position to fix it and I was like okay like obviously You're her project. I was like, I want to talk to you anyway. Okay, fine. If that's what you want to do, then, okay, like, let's do it.

Yeah. It was her idea to have that conversation. Not saying I didn't want to. I'm just saying it was her idea. And right, what's so misleading is the fact that it's unfortunate to see everything that's going on now because everything that happened in there was so consensual. And so what did happen there? I mean, I'll just flat out say that the accusation she's making against me are 100% false.

Well, I need to, first I need you to explain what the accusation is and then why don't you tell us what happened. So what is she saying? She's saying that I sexually assaulted her, groped her, groped her, I'm a sexual predator, all of those things. Is she saying it just went to groping or did she say it went further than that? She's changed her words so many times and I don't want to be disrespectful to her and the accusations because I do want to preface that. it is so important and it's so important for women to be believed when they say these things but the only issue obviously is the fact that it's false and i think that's why it's so problematic and it's such a tricky subject to maneuver through and navigate um but this is my life

and it's very damaging and it's something that i have and you have every right to defend yourself if it's not true yeah you know so oh you know someone being like oh god go away you thirsty it's like I hate that because when people have said things that are not true about me yeah it's your natural instinct to be like but that's not me that's not my character and you have every right

to say that especially when it's at this level of public scrutiny and I think that's the hardest part to deal with is the fact that I'm very self-aware I'm not dumb and I'm very outgoing and

very easy to talk to and the fact that if I knew that there was a problem or I felt like I needed to back off I would have done that no problem and I'm smart enough to know these things I was raised right by a good family but she was very very open to everything so what did you guys do in Italy yeah yeah yeah so we were very

flirty right from the jump very touchy very like she it was really on her behalf because I have to be so careful with those things because um i am an alpha male of the show let alone there's a thousand cameras everywhere and i know i'm not going to get away with things that a normal another person on this show might get away with because they're watching me so hard and i under i understand that always so it was mainly her and i think one of the one of the scenes that uh besides like the touchy feely are sitting on the lap all those things like we play truth of dare on the first night and i'm sitting next to her the whole time and someone asked me to dare to kiss someone and I politely lean over ask her do you mind if

I kiss you on the cheek she said yeah go for it and she does talk about it on season three of Mormon wives right now and I kiss her on the cheek and she was very okay with it so that's just me asking politely trying to initiate that I'm being respectful to you I hope you know that because I absolutely respect women so but it didn't stop there, obviously, and then we go on to, you know, end up having these conversations and whatnot. And then one thing led to another where when she was leaving, you know, we shared a kiss goodbye. And that's... So the most you did in Italy was like a good kiss.

Tongue? No. So it was just a kiss on the lips, goodbye. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But then she leaves. And then you guys continue communicating or not? Yeah.

So I actually want to backtrack just a little. I just want to backtrack a little bit and once again some of the things that don't aren't shown and two of them two of them and I'm trying to remember I'm like 99.9% certain before we end up having that talk she posts the trailer because we only get our phones for a small period of time she she was allowed to post her trailer she had her phone before we had that conversation she's like I'm going to call my daughter and ask me do you want to be there for that and I'm like yeah absolutely like because we had such a strong bond right away it was like her daughter's first day of school or something like that and she was like do you want to hear how I talk to my daughter and I was like yeah absolutely

So kind of interest very interesting like I'm like all right yeah yeah yeah I would love to yeah yeah yeah she felt comfortable enough yeah to do that right and I listen to their entire conversation and then we go and have our our therapy session and then where it's just the two of you talking mm-hmm correct and then on the cute chase chaste lounges by the way I have those same ones it's called business and pleasure good to know it is so attractive anyway go on so sitting there um yeah and then after that so once she does leave and and this is very important is the fact that she does stay want to want to stay in touch but after after we share a kiss and i'm walking away and this is on camera by the way as i'm walking away she says i love you where i then turn around

and say i love you back and it was the craziest thing that i was just like And that was the last, the last words that were said to each other before she left, the last words. And I'm like, all right, then it went well. And I was very, like, emotional when she was. In the therapy session, what does she reveal about her current marriage? Oh, a lot. I mean, she, I mean, we talked for two to three hours, like all on camera, where, I mean, she originally wanted to have the therapy session, I think, for me, but I think I might have

I might have... You turned into the therapist? I might have turned it around because I wanted to get to know her and I was like talking a lot about myself and I didn't mind doing that because like I'm not somebody that's very vulnerable and I wanted to be vulnerable with her because I thought we had that connection in a way and then I eventually got into asking her about her marriage, her first marriage, her divorce, having kids and then like where you currently stand with your husband. With a second husband?

Mm-hmm. And who is a bit older than she. Correct. And so, and I mean, what do you feel comfortable sharing that she said? Um, like I said, I want to be respectful to her. And that's why it is a little tricky on certain things I will say. But it's just, I think the main thing that I can say is that, um, she, I think she has a right to question

a lot of the things that she was telling me when it comes to her marriage and where it's going to go with. I think I'll just leave about that. She has a lot of questions that she still... About the longevity of it, if this marriage is going to go to eternity, to the Mormon, whatever.

Eternity forever. which you know most people have those moments in their marriage so you normally share it with a real therapist or a girlfriend and not a hot guy in an Italian villa but you know what okay so so she leaves you have your little I love moment and then I love your moment and then what happens um I was fired like a few days after I think I want to say four or five days after that why you're fired um I just got into a disagreement with another castmate coworker that I, once again, I said my presence is very known and I was, I guess, intimidating the person where they didn't feel comfortable living in the same household, I guess, anymore. And, you know, they felt like it was best if I left. And how did you feel about that? Do you feel like you got fucked over? Or were you like, fine, get me out of here.

I'm just going to go back to my biggest life. No, no, I was very disappointed because it was more of the fact that not only did I let myself down, I let Lisa down, because I know how much, like, you know, she, you know, wanted to... But you don't think she had to say to be like, don't fire him? I mean, I feel like, on vet and pump rules, there was, like, times where James was, like, fired numerous times, but she wanted to keep him on the show. Maybe he's not actually working at the restroom, but she wants to keep him on the show, but maybe at the villa in this infancy of the series, maybe they didn't have a way to keep him on the show. on the show if you weren't actually working at the villa no and i understand i i think lisa i will never judge lisa for the decisions she makes and she has to make those decisions and i'm okay with it whether i think it's wrong or right um i will always trust lisa and um it was just

unfortunate but it's okay honestly it worked out for the best and i like it really did work out for so you go back to Vegas go back no no no i mean and i you've seen this on social media they showed on Secret Lives Mormon Wives. No, I'm still in Italy. I'm getting dinner with Hano because we both got fired at the same time. Oh, okay. And to me, follows me and messages me because I posted that I was eating out in Italy. And she knew I didn't have my phone.

So when she saw that, she was like, what the hell happened? You mean, you can't have your phone when you're filming the show? Correct, correct. So, okay, so now she sees your posting, so she's like, what happened? Okay. Yeah, and then that's when she, you know, tries to figure out why. I am posting. Yeah.

And I'm sure you can look up the messages where she is like, call me. And then she gives me her phone number and I call her for like. And we have two conversations, one for 49 minutes and the second conversation for an hour and 13 minutes. And I just remember one, Hannah was so mad because we had just gotten dinner. And she's like, why are you talking to this woman for two hours when we were like going through at being firing? But at this time you and Hannah. are still now just former boyfriend, but we're also trauma bonded from just being,

but at this time, platonic friends. Correct. And we still care about each other and we're just fired together. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And she's like, why are you talking this woman for two hours? And, um,

but the main thing was that I took from it. And in that conversation, she did actually try and say those accusations to me. She was like, you know, she was like, where she asked me were you fired for like you know touching me i was like what are you talking about and then this is what makes me really upset but also ends up backfiring on her is the fact that she didn't know why i was fired and she panics and she's with all the girls still so she tries to get ahead of what possibly could have happened whatever and tells all the girls that she was

sexually assaulted and she has talked about this where she was like I told them all to stay silent I don't want this coming out well because it wasn't true obviously right and she was just trying to protect herself just in case if I come out and talk about it or say something whatever or why if it comes out on the show why I was fired whatever and so she tried to do that right away and it ends up backfired on her because I told her I was like what are you talking about and I was like and then I told her why I was fired. Which was with a totally different person. Had nothing to do with flirting with a mom talk people.

And it's because someone had just been fired, Aiden was fired. I still don't even know why, but things were going on with him and Layla in there. And he got fired. And Layla is another Mormon wife. They were like hooking up all the night before and he was fired the next day. So she was like, she was like, did he get fired for doing something? like for doing something with me. And then it would come out on the show.

And it would come out on the show. So she would rather get ahead of it and say it was unwanted advances. Yeah. And the girls were, they were like trying to pressure her into filing charges. Yeah, they said she's... Because they believed her and were horrified. They were trying to believe her, which 100% agree with.

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But we end up staying in touch, we end up staying in touch all the way until the Jesse, all the way until the Jesse rumors. So how many months, like what dates are we talking about that you guys, it's post Italy and you guys are corresponding via phone. Yeah, so middle of August. I left, I was just checking. August of 24 or 23. Yeah, 2024.

I left. I got back to Vegas, I think, on August 18th. Okay. And once again, their show had not coming out yet. And we stay in touch all the way up until, I want to say, like, end of September or something like that. But in the meantime, their show is going to come out. And we're in touch. And do they do season one and two all at the same time and then split it in half?

How do they get all the... How are we already at season three in November of 25? Yeah, I know. So season one was filmed a while ago. I think they shot the pilot. They recast it. I think they brought Jesse and Demi on after the pilot. Then you got season one.

And then they've started shooting two seasons a year. Okay, got it. Yeah. But in the meantime, while we're still talking, and she asked me to come to Utah to go see her premiere and I think Jen might have said something said this like he was invited to dinner

which is true I was invited to go to her house with her husband there and like hang out and watch the premiere and stay there like wait you spent the night at the house no I didn't end up going because oh you didn't end up going I didn't end up going because Jen and Michaela were not my biggest fans and they didn't agree

with what Demi was doing, and I didn't want to cause a problem because, like I said, I knew Jen was not a phantom line, and I was like, I don't want to cause problems. So I'm going to just, I'm going to stay. I'm going to, I'm going to not go. So I didn't end up going, but I was invited. And what month was that? That was in September. September of 24. Correct. Okay. So then after that premiere, do you continue to correspond? Correct. Yeah. All via FaceTime and text? Um, text, phone calls. Yeah. And what are you guys doing, just talking about your workouts or are you masturbating or what are you doing? That's a good question. No, I think, I mean, it was just, honestly, we just had a good, like, a good friendship. Okay. We could talk about anything. Okay. Honestly. Yeah, we really could just talk about anything.

But at any point when you're talking to her, are you like, so what are you doing with your husband? I mean, can we ever meet up? Are you ever asking for that? Yeah. I mean, so. The original reason I go to L.A. When she and Jesse are supposed to go is because she told me to come out. She asked me to come and meet her in L.A. Jesse asked me too on social media like casually, but like to me was like, hey, I'm going to be in L.A. come out.

So who all went? Was it to promote their Hulu thing? I think they were just, they were doing a podcast. And they were doing a podcast with someone I know. No, obviously. And I was like, oh, perfect. I know that person I'll come. We can all hang out.

Okay. Yeah. So is Jesse and just Jesse and Demi came out? Correct. But, no, no, no. Sorry. Demi didn't end up going because she was fighting with... The husband.

No, with Jesse about contracts for season two. That's right. So they reveal that in the first couple episodes, the first episode of season three where one of the girls goes, I think it's Michaela, it goes through and kind of says where everybody's at at the beginning of this filming and Demi wanted three times as much money as the rest

of us. So right now she's not filming. That's for season three. Oh, for season two, she's trying to get more too. She's trying to do it too for season two. Okay, did you get more? They all did. Okay. She wanted more. Okay. Yeah. But it was really funny

because she was including me in all those talks between her and Jesse. So like, I knew everything that was going down about their contracts. Oh, okay. Because she made me very aware because my other friend was dealing with Jesse and she was relaying the information to me, what Jesse was saying. And then we were kind of all just trying to put it together of like, all right, what is Jesse saying? What's to me saying?

And then are we going to hang out in LA? And long story short, though, to me doesn't end up coming. And Jesse just comes. And so she comes out just to do the podcast. It wasn't press for anything. And you come out just for fun. You're not doing press for a villa or anything. Correct.

We end up doing like a, I think it was like a Porsche, a Porsche like get together or something like that. Okay. Yeah, like a little brand thing. Okay. And so you all meet there. You're hanging out. What happens with you and Jesse now?

Who is married to her second husband. She has two kids. She has a successful hair salon and hair business. and she's 32 around there. What happens with you guys? Yeah, so I'm going to just backtrack really quick and like you don't see it on our show. And for whatever understanding,

like she and every, all the girls say that I was only into Demi, which is true to an extent, but like... This one is Demi. Correct. Okay. Yeah, correct. She's the one that you kissed at the villa. Correct.

Then this, Jesse's in the front. year. Yeah. Okay. This way we can like point to the girl. No, for sure. Okay, so go on. But Jesse and I had a couple really good conversations in the villa, like very, very good conversation. She was very easy to talk to as well. Like that's what I said, like, they're all really amazing people. But like Jesse, Demi and Layla as well was who I was closest with in the villa. But Jesse and I hit it off for her enough to be like, yeah, come to L.A. because she wanted to hang out as well. Okay. But yeah, it was weird. So once we found out, to me wasn't going

and I was like well I'm still gonna go why wouldn't I go like I do want to see Jesse she was a very nice person she was awesome to hang out with right away I just got a vibe where

I was like I don't know what to think because once I get to her hotel with my friend a guy friend no oh it was Sheena yeah but I didn't know if you were to say

Sheena's name but I was going to, I was trying to leave her out of it for her. Hold on. This was, wasn't this all? I was trying to leave it. This was, was this before, after, or during the Sheena birthday party, the 40th birthday, because I went to that party. I know you did. I know you did. Yeah. And I was not invited. This is way before. This is, this is September the year before. Okay. So months before. Okay. Okay. So, months after the 40th birthday, you come out, you're friendly with Sheena. No, months before the 40th birthday. Oh, this is the month before the 40th. Yeah, because her birthday was this year. Do you remember what month that was?

May. Okay, May. Okay, so this is... September the year before. Okay, so the thing it just premiered and you go and hang out, and you and Sheena go over to Jesse's hotel in L.A. Okay.

Correct, yeah, yeah. So she was just so excited to see me to the point where she ran and jumped into my arms. Like a bachelor, like toddler. Like toddler jump. Yeah. And wrapped her legs around me where I was like, I mean, I was like, yeah, we were close in the villa.

We were. We were. And you don't see it. But I was like, that was a little much. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, it's not to say I wasn't into it. I was just like, it's not like you can't carry her. You're pretty rough.

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, oh, maybe there's something I'm missing here or something I'm trying to put together. And one thing just led to another where we were just very flirtatious back and forth. other the whole night. And then obviously alcohol was involved. So, you know, our decision were compromised to an extent. But not to say that she didn't want it and I didn't want it because I definitely did. So you say goodbye to Sheena and you go back to her hotel? Yeah. We all say

goodbye together. Okay. And Sheena's talked about this. We've all, we all leave Jesse's hotel room to go back to the valley and she's in West Hollywood. Okay. I was going to stay around there. And I told Jesse that, but we end up going all the way back to Sheena's house in the valley. Yeah. And Jesse is, you know, she's like, do you want to come back? And I was like, fuck, yeah, I do. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

But. So you go back to her hotel. Yeah. So that was one of the harder things to deal with because, you know, and once again, I'm trying to leave them out of it because I don't want them to. I personally just don't want them to talk about it because I'm trying to be respectful to them as well. Who are the girls? No, Sheena and Brock. Oh, yes, that's fine.

You know, I go back to their house and she asked me to come over and I'm like, okay. So. You guys Uber together, back? No, I Uber alone back to Jesse's hotel room. And they were like, you know, they're asking me where I'm going, what I'm doing. And I'm just kind of like, I'm just going to see a girl, whatever, you know, trying to downplay it. Okay. And so you didn't tell Sheena at that time.

No, no. Okay. I mean, she has my location. She's talked about that. She has my location. So, yeah. She's the best. Okay, go on.

So. If anyone gets murdered, we know who to call first. Yeah, literally. Okay, go on. So then I get back to West Hollywood and, you know, Jesse has since told this story on bio files where I, it's all true for the most part. We were up for hours talking. And, yeah, I'm just.

you know, one thing led to another where we felt, you know, comfortable enough where we wanted to kiss each other and we did. And then we went to bed. And then I woke up and she was like, Jordan's calling me. I think you need to leave. And I was just like, yeah, okay, no big deal. Because we were meeting up in an hour anyway. We were meeting up in an hour to do this like influencing event.

Okay. So I was going to see her in like an hour. So. Okay. So continue. So then you do your influencing event. and then the text that she shares on the show is she's reading to the girls.

So then let's watch. Let me just tell you what I saw on the show and then I have questions. Yeah. So Layla somehow communicates with you. And you tell her that you've been having an affair that involved full penetration. That's what I said, correct.

And she then goes to Jesse and is like on camera this is what's happening it's on camera so you better deal with it then Jesse says just so you know I told Jordan six months ago that this happened and we did talk and we did have but all it was was a kiss

so then she they called you on speaker on camera and she's like what are you saying that we had sex and you are like, whatever, I had come in my underwear, but what you do, you boo, whatever, fine, fine. Yeah. So what happened?

Yeah, yeah, I'll explain. I guess I'll explain. You had a wet dream. Like a 13-year-old boy? No, no, no, honestly. Find that a little hard to believe. Yeah, okay. It's so embarrassing that I said that, but I was,

I knew I was getting the phone call. because while production was going on, this was all happening so fast, which actually to backtrack really quick, it sucks that I'm going to throw production under the bus. But Layla and I just spoke. We had our scene together where, you know, I kept trying to say hook up and they wanted me to say sex and stuff like that. And I was just like, all right, whatever.

So I end up saying we have sex. But the shitty thing was, was the fact that they end up, production ends up telling Jesse before she even gets to, it was supposed to be Layla surprising her with it. Okay. And to me, I watch it on the show and I'm like, that's a, that's a tough watch because I know I just had a conversation with you, like, an hour before. A conversation with who? With Jesse.

So. And did she know? So she, so you said, look, I already talked to Lala. It's all coming out on the show. Layla, sorry. It's all coming out on the show. Yeah. Before the conversation in the car with her.

Correct. I did think the acting wasn't great. So I was like. Because Jesse was like this. Yeah, I'm like. But I mean, if I think you'd be more shocked. The person that had, that was truly shocked in hearing for the first time was, I think, Taylor, Frankie Paul.

Yeah. When she comes back from her retreat and Dakota tells her. And she's just, she, she, she, She truly seemed dumbfounded. So that's like a real reaction where you're like, wait, I thought the flirting was going on with Demi. How did this jump to Jesse? Yeah. Which is funny because I didn't know Layla was there to talk to me about Demi.

Because like production had not made me aware of that. It was like I was supposed to only talk about Jesse. Okay. So, but I digast. So after the week, so after the night in the bed where you both admit to me, to kissing, only. No dry humping. I'm a dry humping queen.

If that's all I had to do in life, I'd be fine. I wouldn't have kids, but I'd be fine. Okay. I like it with jeans. Nice. Anyway, did a Mormon jump on the bed while you did the soking? Do you know what that is?

Yeah, I do. I'm aware of it. There wasn't another more. Did Sheena jump on the bed so that you could perform soaking? Yes. Yes, she did. No, it's Brock. Brock's a strong guy.

Okay, wait a minute. No, no, no, no. So you, what Jesse said is true. So is this what you're saying, just kissing. Yeah. Where did the come come from? It didn't. I was so, once again, I'm, I'm in my mind trying to figure out what I'm going to, like, what, what you're saying and what you're, like, am I just, like, do I stick to this lie that I just told, do I try and just come clean about it now, but then I look stupid?

So like I was so in my head And then the production of it all Yeah I'm like I'm like Fuck what am I doing? Okay So in my mind I'm like How do I try and sell this? So when did all the sexy text

Happened that she's reading with her husband Right behind her in earshot At that event which was like episode two of this season? Yeah so that was all after Okay And I think one of the So then you were trying to maybe have another hookup in real person in real life Oh we were talking nonstop

100% and like once again, I'm trying to be respectful to Jesse as much as Jordan too. I like both of them. They're very nice people and I'm very apologizing. Well, I mean, they talked all about you and read your text, so I mean. I know, I know, but I do want to be sympathetic to them because of their family. I hope you know that.

But I do want to obviously speak the truth of she has said that it was like for two weeks. It was way longer than two weeks. The going back. Yeah. Like we were really strong for like two, I don't know, two weeks, whatever it

And was it just texting or was it phone calls and FaceTime? Oh, yeah, 100% phone calls, FaceTime. Okay. She was, you know, sending me pictures. I would send her pictures. Sexy pictures. I'm not going to say specific, but I'll say no. I'll say no.

And, yeah. Okay. But once, you know, once Jordan caught us. Her husband. Yeah, once her husband caught us. And how did he catch it? We were all in Vegas together, and they just talked about it on the other podcast. and he did catch us.

You, Jordan, and Jesse. Jesse, we're all in Vegas together, like hanging out, having dinner, where were you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were in town, and, you know, I don't know what they were doing with podcasts. They're just hanging out with her family because she brought her other sisters and their husbands.

But, yeah, I set them up for dinner one night. Where? Somewhere at the Aria. Okay. But it was, yeah, it was a Tau Group property, so I knew people from Tau Group. Got him a complete full. comp dinner. Okay. And they were amazing. And then we all go to Marquis the next day together.

The nightclub. Because I met them at dinner once they were done. Okay. Just to hang out, gamble a little bit, whatever. And then the next day we go to the day club together. Oh, day club. Yeah, it was a day club together. Uh, what month is this now? It was same time. It was all, it was still September. Yeah, I think it was end of September, I want to say. Okay. Okay. And, um, of 24. Yeah, Correct. And yeah, like, you know, I'm just being extremely hospitable to them. Like, I'm trying to make sure they have a good time. But obviously, I want to see Jesse. And, you know, I'm trying to be respectful. And then, like, and honestly, I'll say this now. Like, Jordan and I just, like, we hit it off. And he was, he was so cool. Could you be brother husbands? Did you ever think about a new reality show called Brother Husbands? Which is a spinoff of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Oh, perfect. Any spinoff. But no, and this is where the guilt started eat away at me, where I felt like, wow, I really am a piece of shit now because this guy is really cool. And I'm like, what am I doing here? And it sucks because, like, that whole time we're texting back and forth, like.

Even during Vegas. Yeah, like trying to see each other and stuff like that. Like how, what, around the corner in a bathroom at the barqueen? Yeah, I mean, yeah, like, I'll be texting her while she's sitting right across from me. Like, it's like, I don't. And what are you saying? Let's fucking go make out and dry hump in that bathroom over there? What are you saying?

yeah something i don't know something so it was it was really tough situation trying to navigate through and i felt like such a piece of shit so then you decide you're having a bromance with the husband yeah like to the point where the like everyone left and it was just like me and jordan hanging out for a little bit talking what sports and shit just shooting the shit like he was like i said he was so cool and it sucks how everything played out but i mean i i i deserve it i wholeheartedly made a huge mistake so So I leave. I set them up at Vanderpump,

Cocktail Garden. For dinner? And then we were going to go to a nightclub again. Okay. But she had something they were doing or whatever. I think she said they were in dinner, but I don't know the specifics. And I guess

he caught us texting and took her phone. And it was a huge... And then does he write you as Demi? I'm sorry, as Jesse? No, no. He calls me. And what does he say? And so you're like, hey, buddy, how are those 49%? And then he says what? No, no, no, no. I think Jesse calls me first. I don't remember. I can't remember.

So then you're like, it's like, hey, girl, when are we going to dry hump? And he's like, it's Jordan. No, no, no. He called me on his phone. But I think Jesse, I think Jesse warned me first. I think Jesse warned me first. And I think then he texted me being like, I know. And I was like, no what? Like, what are you talking about? I'm like, and then he calls me. And then we end up having a conversation about it. He was actually extremely calm. He was extremely calm. He just wanted to know the truth. And that's where I tell him the truth. That you kissed in the hotel.

Yeah. And, you know, I told him the truth. Exactly what happened. And obviously he could see the text messages. But yeah. And then that's why, and Jesse does say this where she was so just, you know, struck and shocked that I said we had sex because that wasn't the truth. Okay.

She knew that because that's what I told Jordan. And Jordan knew that as well. and that's why they were so upset about the entire thing and why I look dumb for lying and I deserve that. I should never have lied. Don't lie, be honest. And that was what really hurt me because I knew.

But just to be clear in what you're telling me, you kind of want that extra thing. I've had like real houseways and stuff tell me that the cameras are in their kitchen and they're doing a scene with their kid and the producers are like, just get to this part, you know? Always.

And they're finally like, okay, so if I say this, oh, you're having sex with your girlfriend to their son, then you guys can get the fuck out of my kitchen. I can go to bed and the day is done. Basically, yes. So I know sometimes reality stars are pushed to say or do or get to something quicker because truly they just want the day to be done. They want the mic off their back. And it sounds a little bit from what you've told me or a lot bit that that's sort of where you got yourself in that. that pickle of a lie that is pretty bad of a lie to say that you had sex when you didn't.

Yeah, for sure. And, like, I mean, I was heavily influenced by Demi as well. And she knew she had that power over me because I didn't know what I was. I really had no idea. And like, you even see the lie detector. Why were you influenced by Demi to say that you had sex with Jesse?

Because Demi's the one who brought it to production. I didn't bring to production. To share that this shit's been going on. She used it as leverage to get more money in her third contract season. That's what I've heard That people think that she orchestrated this whole thing Even pursued a flirtation with you

And a texting relationship with you after To then be the Tom Sandoval, Ariana of it all And have this exciting thing going on And then leverage it for more money Correct And you believe that's true 100% true 100%. So do you think she never really was interested in you

Or jeopardizing her marriage? I think like once she found out about the Jesse stuff she was she, we had a long conversation after she accused me of it and I denied it. So you think she was jealous of the Jesse thing then? I mean, I would be if I was flirting with this guy for a while.

In the conversation we had. And then he ends up with my co-star. I would be like, what the fuck? Whether this is real or not, I don't like you talking to another girl and being interested in another girl that looks exactly like me. In the conversation, it definitely,

it's, I don't want to say jealousy, but she definitely had a feeling about it where she didn't feel good about it where she's like I got to put up boundaries and all this stuff and then we pretty much stopped talking right after that. So if I look back on it hindsight, like that's what it seems like for sure.

So, but I'm guessing you didn't go to the nightclub that night. No, God. Did they go to the Vanderpup cocktail? No. The weekend is done. Yeah, the weekend was shot. And they go off and they deal with this. They don't share it with any cast members and you

stop communication. No, no. And that's the thing. You did or you didn't. No, I did not. You did not stop communication with Jesse after this. And this is where I feel like such a just, I'm even a worse person and I deserve it. I suck. Okay, what happened?

We kept talking. We absolutely, we stayed in touch for, I mean, all the way up until I came out about this. I think like we, we would not talk as much anymore, obviously, because Jordan was so aware that he didn't want, you know, he's, you know, looking at her phones and all that stuff. But, I mean, we had transition to WhatsApp. We were going through Instagram, like we were staying off the phone. We were trying to navigate it as best we could. And that's why it was so tough. Was it still sexual in nature of the communication?

I think, like, there was a part of it, but a part of it was me comforting her because I could tell she was going through a lot. And it was more me trying to understand and be there for her and let her know that I cared for her. And, you know, I will always be there for her whatever she needs. Okay, so now what month in gear are we in that you're still communicating? Are we in 2025 yet? No, when we're, 2025, I think the last conversation I had with her in 2025 was probably my birthday.

She messaged me, my birthday's in January. Okay. She was dealing, she was having some medical procedures done. She got a nose job. No, no, actual health concerns. Oh, because, no, she was honest about the nose job. Yeah, yeah, actual health concerns. Okay.

And, you know, I had messaged her hoping everything's going to be okay. She had messaged me for my birthday. And then I don't think, I think we didn't talk much after January because I think I started filming either, I'd have to look at the dates either end of February, early March, something like that. What did you, you filmed that their show? More than, yeah. So February and March, they bring you on.

Yeah. What episodes are you in? Because I've only watched the first two. Yeah. So I'm in three and four. Okay. But I'm talked about the entire season. Right. Well, I mean...

Well, because once it transitions from me and Jesse, it goes into then me and to me and the allegations and stuff like that. And so right now on Hulu, you can watch the whole season. Correct. Yes, you can. So people need to... I didn't have time to watch the whole season, but I'm kind of glad I didn't because I want people to watch it because it's juicy. It's very juicy. And now you know all, you know this point of view that you might not get in an edited show. Yeah.

Do you make an appearance at the reunion with Stasi? That's a tricky, that's a tricky one. I was supposed to be. Okay. I was supposed to be. And I am not. Okay. An hour before we're supposed to film it, they asked me not to do it.

Okay. And honestly, the circumstances, you'll end up finding out, I'm very okay with it. Okay. And I was extremely left in the dark on a lot of things where I didn't know what was going to happen. I was like, we're prepping for it, trying to figure out what's going on, not really getting much, coming up with exactly like, you know, what I'm going to say about this or that, not really knowing. And thankfully, I think it worked out for the best. I really do. I really do.

So where, so when was, was the reunion just filmed? The reunion was filmed in end of August, early September. Okay, so they filmed the show that we're going to watch like March, April, May. You don't, do you know how much? Yeah, they're filming, they're filming season four right now. Okay, so then there was like a summer break, and now they just, and then they got together in August to do the reunion. Yep. While they're filming in season four.

Okay, so this is still a few months away. Okay, I mean, back. Yeah. And we filmed season three, well, that's the thing. I was, so I'm contract, I was contracted for episodes season two, 11 through 20, which they ended up turning into a season three. Got it. Okay. Which is kind of funny because they ended up adding me into episode 10 of season two, which I was not contracted for, but whatever.

Do you feel the money was good? We're not going to get into that one, but not as good as them. Okay, okay. But, no, so we filmed March to, or February. March to June, I believe. June is when the season three stopped and then they picked up cameras again in August.

Okay. August. And so... How do you feel like where are you now in your life? You said you had an incredible weekend because you saw me from afar at the Hakasun Club. It was fun. I was like

oh, Heather McDonald's, what are you doing here? What are you doing here? You look like you're having fun. I just did a... show at the M. Jim Grant, which is in the same. And so they, they hooked me up, which was so fun and to see Kyle Cook and everything. He was great. He was really good. Wasn't he great? And you DJ too? I DJ as well. I'm dropping some music soon that I'm very excited about. So I'm starting to book some gigs around the country, but mainly in Vegas for sure. Is that kind of like the career

path you want to go is sort of use this notoriety to like get people to go and enjoy. you as a DJ? Yeah, absolutely. I think I'm always been entrepreneurial and then I always have a lot of passions. Music has been one of them. Hospitality, why I look up to Lisa is one of them because she's such a good mentor for that.

So I would love it. Yeah, her places in Vegas are so genius. They're so good. Yeah. And she's got one coming out soon in Scottsdale. And then she has the... Scottsdale is such a great... Yeah, she's taking over the Cromwell hotel as well.

The Cromwell Hotel is yours. It's going to be crazy. I think it's genius that she's, you know, going to other states and stuff. And, yeah, no, it's great. But there's a lot of things that I'm passionate about music and DJing is one of them. I don't want to be like one of those people that just shows up at a club and just, like, takes pictures with people. And that's getting paid there to do that.

Like, I want to be out there and, like, give you something. Performing. Yeah. I want to give you something, you know. But, yeah. So where do you stand with? It was a good time for sure. That was a really cool.

And actually, I wanted to backtrack because Kyle is a perfect representation. Kyle Cook. Kyle Cook is a perfect representation of like somebody that I wanted to meet and what's funny is I didn't get a chance to meet him because he was DJing and then I didn't stay long enough I left like right as he was finishing

but he's an entrepreneur he's on reality TV he DJs he's married whether it's going good or not but like that persona like I'm not saying I agree with all his choices he makes I'm just saying that what I think is good is he kept

diverse yeah he kept other which is that is why Lisa you know really is the the success story of all success stories because she wasn't exciting reality personality in herself but she already had a business that was doing well but then exponentially made it

huger gave had spinoffs and all these other shows and yeah and Kyle is good he had the beverage company he but he wanted to DJ too which is great you know Hannah Berner was on that show oh yeah she was doing funny stuff before they got

and then she used that platform to actually do stand up become a good stand-up you know like do the work yeah and get to a place where so yeah it can be a wonderful springboard especially in today's world where there isn't that much production happening and so you're crazy I think to turn down a reality show thing unless you're you know an old rich person that's doing illegal shit. Really worried about your life coming out. But if you're a younger person, which is why I think they're pursuing a lot of younger

talent on Hulu and Bravo, it's like already that generation has already shared so much, like the TikTok girls. They'd already shared so much. If I was a producer, that's who I would be pursuing because they're already used to being authentic in the social media world. Yeah. And then putting on another level

is just a greater platform to then get other businesses going. So that's cool, yeah. 100%. What's your romantic life like right now? That's a tough one as well because I wish I could say more. I cannot because I think you'll end up seeing some stuff come out. Okay.

I think I'm obviously trying to navigate things to the best I can, whether it's with my ex or other. Hannah, you're still seeing her? I didn't say that. Okay. But I didn't not say that either. But it's one of the... She's adorable. She's a really good person.

You haven't seen the episode yet, but she tries to come to my defense. Okay. To shut down those accusations. And that's because I wasn't there. I got uninvited to that event because of that. And she did a great job trying to protect me, which I appreciate. But romantically, I'm figuring that one out as well as just trying to figure out everything that's going on right now, to be honest with you. It's tough to be...

I think anyone... in the reality TV space, it's tough to maneuver real relationships because you don't really know someone's authentic reasoning of, you know, them trying to talk to you. So,

yeah, it's kind of like... It is really hard. I mean, when you think about, like, the Vaynerpump original cast, you know, even Brittany met Jacks at a Vegas party. Yeah. And, you know, now she's the star of the show

and very well liked and, you know, wonderful human being, but it's like, yeah, you know. And then for the talent, yeah, it's sometimes they meet someone great and that person then goes, I don't want to film with you. And they're like, it's the same thing when a housewife gets divorced and her husband says, I don't want the kids on, which is understandable at the same time, then that housewife, nobody ever sees her being a mom and they just see her getting drunk and throwing wine at people. And they're like, you're a horrible mother. And you're like, well, they didn't let me show you when I'm like making turkey

tacos with my kids. So it's, it is a hard, it's a hard thing to maneuver. I have a lot of empathy for even the bravo con stuff this weekend. I was like, you know, seeing now all the fans, you know, saying this one was nice and this one wasn't nice. And I'm like, you guys don't understand that a real, a real actor, okay, a real actor does press for a movie. And it's over. They are not expected to say hi and take a photo with every single person waiting for a valet, waiting for this, and if they don't, then that fan is like, well, they're a horrible person and they do a TikTok about it. I mean, it's just, it's a lot. You don't realize how accessible you have to be as a reality start. It's not the same as being an actor and people expect more from you.

And it's cool that you are like that because you're not, you know, Tom Cruise, but at the same time, yeah it's like you just can't win no it's really tough you just kind of can't win yeah it's tough to maneuver through a lot of those things and it's like how does your family feel about the fact that you are now in this space i my parents are very supportive they're absolutely fantastic like i said i was raised from a really good good old school italian family that like has taken care of me very very well and they're extremely sympathetic to the decisions that i make whether they're good or bad they try to understand that one it's a reality tv show and they also know me as a son where they know I'm not like that. Because there's times where it can be authentically yourself on TV, but also performative. And people don't always understand that. But I think the hardest part of what they've been dealing with lately is the accusations because my mother sees that.

And she's so heartbroken where somebody, a woman like that can make accusations about her son, where she now is questioning what I'm doing. and defend me to either other family members or to the people she works with. And it just sucks. I feel so bad for them. Yeah.

I know, like, I put myself in that position being on reality TV, but I never would have thought this would have ever happened. Since you didn't really seek it out. No. Were you, because I said this, Hannah said the same thing. I'm like, you're so beautiful.

Were you pursuing modeling, acting? And she's like, no. Yeah. So you guys really weren't like, Theater kids or models or anything? I had done some modeling. Okay. I'd done theater in high school, never after that.

But I knew I just, I knew I was going to get on reality TV. I'd been auditioning for a few different shows that I hadn't got. Oh, so it was something that you saw yourself doing. Yeah, yeah. I had auditioned for a couple different things that I'm very happy I didn't end up doing now. Like what? Can you say? No.

No. No, I mean, it was like two different. It wasn't jigalos, was it? No. Okay. On showtime? I'm male hookers. Definitely not, no.

Okay, good. That's all I care about. Yeah. And I had known once I fell in love with Vanderpump Rules that I was like, this is what I'm going to do, 100%. I was so adamant about it. And I film on Vanderpump Rules, like one episode or two episodes? When they came to Vegas or?

No, no, here in L.A. Oh, okay. The new cast. No, no, the old cast. Not to say I wouldn't be, I wouldn't do the new one. Yeah. I would be open to it. Yeah, I'm excited to see it.

Me too. Yeah, it's a, so, well, this. was so interesting. I know. Thank you. I'm going to let everyone know. See, like, this is not a cute photo of you. Yeah. See, that's winter. That's winter Marciano, unfortunately. And I learned that the hard way of not being able to put on weight in the winter anymore because I have to do press things. So I said, now I have to stay in shape all the time. You look totally different. I know, it's, I mean, that guy's cute. He just doesn't look like you. I appreciate it. And then, oh, this was a juicy thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dakota. Yeah, Dakota dated.

his Taylor's baby mama's best friend. Yeah, I think he just talked to her. So here is where people can follow you. Yes. Marciano. Marciano. Am I saying Marciano? Yeah, you got it.

B, that's all. Marciano B. He has a blue check mark. He's got some good chest body workout. I mean, that is pretty good. My God. I try. I try.

Geez. See, that does not look like. No, no. That's winter. You'll have to understand. And I had to figure it out. I didn't realize how many press things you do, like where I'm like, okay, I don't, I can't take a day off anymore.

I have to stay in shape all the time and look good. So. Well, very cool. Like that guy, like, I shaved my face thinking, and it didn't grow back in time. And then I was like, oh, well, you know, maybe. Are you normally a beard person or not? Yeah, I usually am. And I shaved it because I was doing something.

I wanted to see how it looked. And then it didn't grow back fast enough. I was like, I'm screwed. That's what it is. That's why you looks. Okay, I like the beard. Thank you. I think the beard is cool.

If you ever had to, like, play a role where you're someone much younger. Oh, I could, yeah. Then I think that you look a lot younger without the facial hair. That's so interesting when it, like, really changes the guy's looks. I didn't know. Anyway, tall drink of water, very worked out. Thank you. Tallian delight.

Thank you for coming here and telling the show of Secret Lives. Secret, what is it? Secret lives of Mormon wives. I call it, tuck, talk, talk. The girls are great. They're beautiful. The husbands are interesting. It's a huge hit, and they're sharing it all.

And it's juicy. So I say you guys check it. And then Villa, you're not on that, but that's coming back, right? Or is it not coming back? It's coming back. It's coming back. Okay. But none of the people I've now interviewed are on it anymore.

Or maybe. I didn't say that. Okay. Okay. I didn't say that. Very good. Well, I love it all. And everybody follow Marciano B on Instagram.

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