Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Margaret Josephs on The End of Real Housewives New Jersey

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

I interviewed Margaret Josephs from Real Housewives of New Jersey. But First I update you on “It Ends With Us” drama and the fight over the Bronze medal. Brandon Lee, son of Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson lost his golf club membership! My golfing Juicy Scoop correspondent gave me the details. Plus, what to do when you fall in love with your ex's boyfriend’s ex-wife? Then Margaret and I clear up all the questions, beginning with a timeline. What did Jackie know from Louie’s exes that somehow got out on social media? How was Margaret’s son involved and the reports that were taken. We get into it all along with Ozempic, who’s on it and who’s jealous of it? So juicy and so good!  Wash your OUAI to healthier hair with shampoos and conditioners made just for you. Go to https://theouai.com/juicy for 15% off your entire purchase. Get 20% OFF @honeylove by going to https://honeylove.com/JUICY ! #honeylovepod #sponsored Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I have a great interview today that I did that you are going to die at all the juice that was dropped. But first, let me just get into some hot topics that we've been doing on the show and some updates. First of all, the earthquake. So last time I was here, we had an earthquake. And you know, I've talked about that I'm a native Angelino, and I have been through many of an earthquake. I you know I've talked about that I'm a native Angelino and I have been through many of an earthquake. I believe I have an ability much like a dog that feels it before other people. And so when that happened, we got the clip, we put it out there and CNN picked it up. They showed a couple other people in LA that happened to be filming. The other

ones were actual like TV shows. So I was, thank you CNN for appreciating it. And they did say as I was the third one that they featured out of the three, they said one woman had much more of a panicked reaction and that was me, comedian Heather McDonald. And so in posting it under CNN and Daily News that shared the video, some of those great fans that loved me from my other viral video of when I faded at the Tempe Improv, they were commenting, you know, is this the lady that got the jab? Is this the one that mocked God? And I realized that right before the earthquake happened, I was talking about having better relationships with your mother-in-laws. I said, that's why I think those requirements that certain churches

ask you to do before you get married, and that's when the earth started shaking. So, once again, yes, I believe Jesus loves me and he believes in giving me as many viral videos as possible. So So thank you. Stay safe America. Let's talk about all the flubs that I do in my show. A lot of people are like, is this even real? Yeah. I talked about Snoop performing with Dr. Dre, but in my head I saw DRU and I was thinking Drew and I was thinking Dr. Drew, my friend, the world famous doctor therapist. And so Michelle, a juicy scooper, made this photo for me of Dr. Drew,

who is a singer, possibly rapping with Snoop at the Olympics. So let's make that happen. Also, people asked about my book. Yes, You'll Never Blue Bond This Time Again is about my dating adventures as an old virgin, and you can still buy it. So check it out, it's been around a long time. I'd love to see it be made as a movie or a TV show, so it's there, let's put it on the vision board. Okay, update on poor Jordan Chiles, which again, I mispronounced her last name.

They said, Heather, did you not watch any of the Olympics? You know what, I'm going to be honest with you guys, I kind of didn't. I was traveling. I wasn't home for when the gymnastics was happening live and I wasn't watching it live on my phone and I would see the updates. And so yeah, I mispronounced her name, but it's Jordan Chiles rhymes with Biles. Thank you. Well, she doesn't have her bronze back, but thank goodness America is fighting to get

it back to her. And they discovered that the Romanian person on the panel that said they believe that they were a couple seconds off in saying, wait a minute, we have some complaint and then they did it and then they re-evaluated Jordan and then she got the medal. They're saying, no, you were too late on that. They're saying that person that is advocating that it was too late in which the medal then went to the Romanian person, this panel member who ruled that is saying that has a history of representing Romania in legal cases.

So now they think this panel person might be Team Romania, which took the medal from USA Jordan Child. So I wish they could just make two medals. This is so sad. Okay, Simone Biles, biological mother who struggled with an alcohol addiction. Her grandparents raised she and her sister. That woman is a cashier.

Her name is Shannon. She has reached out. She has talked to Simone's sister, but she said, I'm just waiting for Simone to respond. And I'm so proud of her. And I'd love to have her be part of my life. I'm not the woman I was then. And I really hope that this could happen

because these grandparents, maybe these grandparents are on the father's side. I don't know, but I'm thinking if it was the grandparents and Shannon was their daughter, that they would want that to all come together. But you know, when people are adults and they don't want to have any association with a former family member, that's their right too. So kind of sad. But I think she's handling herself in a really classy way, being that her daughter is the most decorated Olympian ever. And she's not being obnoxious about it. So I wish her well and her sobriety,

and maybe they can get together. Now with more of the hit movie, Made 50 Million Last Weekend, it ends with us based on the book. Blake Lively is a star and the producer, and Justin Baldoni is the co-star and also the director. We talked about this the other day, that nobody on the cast is following him. They're not doing press together because he doesn't like the way it was promoted. Also, there were two different final edits, one that he did and one that

Blake pushed for, Blake Lively. She said, well, they just chose the more feminine edit. The word is that he feels like that wasn't really the point of the book that is being promoted as more of like a Barbie type movie, a loving story. I talked about when I saw the trailer, I didn't know the story involved it, involved generational domestic violence. I would have never thought that from the trailer. And they're trying to get seats, you know, filled in the theaters. And so he is not, I guess, not happy with the cut

and he spoke about it though. However, he has said Blake was wonderful to work with and that she should direct the sequel or the prequel or whatever that is. And he has since hired a PR team because he feels, I guess he feels, according to Us Weekly, that he needs a PR team because this has gotten so bad. I think this is great PR. I really want to go see the movie now.

I want to see how they may have chosen a more feminine edit versus the rawness. I mean, he's playing an abuser, which he was concerned about doing that. And so this is like very, very interesting. And I think it's only going to make people more curious about the movie. So I think it's a win-win for everybody, even though maybe that's not how they planned it. A little update on the poor widow, the influencer widow whose husband ended his life based on the financial ruins that he'd put his family in, that he could not live in this lifestyle of the Hamptons and owed all this money. She has removed her social media, as I said, but

now the word is from page six, sources are saying she is leaving the Hamptons in New York and going to take her two kids and move to Miami in Florida and start a new life, which I think that is the right thing to do. And now for our new segment Juicy Scoop Golf News. Yes, there is actually a golf story that was sent to me. I did my investigation. I have two people on staff that are expert golfers that helped me explain. I actually am redoing the story because I did it wrong the first time. Okay, Tommy Lee's son, Brandon, he belongs to Sherwood Country Club, a beautiful country club out in the Westlake Thousand Oaks area.

Quick note, when you watch the movie Bridesmaids, when she's going to the baby shower, they're giving out the little puppies, she goes through the gates, that's the gates of Sherwood. Okay, so it's a very nice gated community with a fabulous golf course in it. Now even though celebrities go there, a country club within the LA County, they're really not impressed with Hollywood types. They really, sometimes they don't want you. So Brandon joined a while ago.

He's a full member on his own. He's been a member since 2021. The average price to join this country club is $150,000. According to TMZ, he lost his club membership. The story is they're very strict about staying on the golf path, the concrete part. You're not supposed to drive your cart to that part of the green, okay, because it screws up the beautiful grass for the other members that want to play. He allegedly got too close to the green and a homeowner who most likely was also a member of the club, probably have been there for 20 years and has a lot of power. Maybe he's even on the board. Said, hey, you're too close to the green. He said, no, I'm not.

And an argument ensued and the man took out his phone and tried to film him, which then he got really angry allegedly. And they kicked him out of the club. And they also said there were complaints about him being rude to other members and to staff. His team has said, that's not true. I've always had a great time there. I've always was nice to the staff and nice to other members. This isn't true. I wasn't on the green, whatever. But that's the news. You have to follow these rules, whether you're Tommy Lee's son or not. But if you remember back in the day, Tommy Lee used to get real angry at the paparazzi too when he was out and about. So maybe he's just a little angry and he probably didn't like being filmed. According to these sources, Ben Affleck is prioritizing his sobriety over his marriage with Jennifer Lopez. This is from marca.com that he is very upset that she went forward with an alcohol brand, Delola. And being that he struggled with alcohol,

he did not like that she pursued this partnership with this alcohol brand. You know, I don't know. I can kind of see why. I've said it didn't make sense. Also, she was never a big drinker. She would say, oh, I had one champagne a year. You know, if someone in my family had a major injury from riding an electric scooter, I think it would be in poor taste if all of a sudden I paired with an electric scooter company and was like riding it around if someone someone had a massive head injury or something. So I agree. I didn't think it was a wise thing.

I think she should not have gone forward with it being that she was, you know, even if it was in the works, I think she should have killed it and just stuck with like, I don't know, representing an air fryer or something instead. But they're saying that they are like the divorce papers are all ready to go. They just haven't announced it yet. But meanwhile, her stepdaughter, Jennifer Gardner and Ben's daughter, Violet Afleck, was wearing Jennifer's old Dolce & Gabbana dress,

looking beautiful in it. So hey, I hope that the kids don't suffer if they do in fact break up. I hope that she can have a nice relationship with her former stepmom, if she becomes a former stepmom. But I get it. Little update on such a juicy story. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes, you remember,

they were both co-hosts on Good Morning America. Turned out they had an affair, they fired them. And like anybody else, they licked their wounds and started a podcast together about their relationship. Well, shortly after their breakup, her ex-husband, Andrew Hsu, former actor of Melrose Place, started dating TJ Holmes, soon to be ex-wife, named Marley.

People couldn't believe it's true. It's true. He just gave a quick update on another podcast about rewatching Melrose Place episodes. What else are you going to do? And said, no, we're doing great. I just think that this is amazing. I remember it happened with Shania Twain when her friend started dating her husband, but then she got together with that friend's husband.

And I don't know if both couples are still going strong, but it is kind of an amazing thing. You know, it's really, it's just kind of a win-win. It's very weird, but I sort of love it. And maybe because they did, I know that I think he and Mary Lee had kids together, TJ and him and her, but Amy Robach and Andrew Hsu were both each other's second marriage.

So they brought kids into the marriage, but they didn't have one together. Maybe they can all have Thanksgiving together. Bring all the kids, hang out. Maybe they're like, this is great. You know, we're happy. Thank God you guys started fucking. Otherwise, I wouldn't know that the love of my life was the scorned woman.

Like it's a win-win. Talk about making lemonade. It could all work out, people. Okay. The Biggest Loser. Remember that show? It was so horrible, you guys. This was one of the shows you look back on

and you're like, this and the swan, where they gave people plastic surgery and then they didn't let them see themselves until the very end. And then they would like take down the mirror and the person looked like Miss Piggy with a wig on. Like it was just so strange. And then those people had a hard time keeping it up

because they'd go back to their job at the Dairy Queen and they couldn't keep the hair extensions in and all this stuff. But at least they had like a chin, okay? Now in this case, these biggest loser people, they would say, okay, everyone take off your shirt and the women would have little sports bras on and they're, you know, with their exposed midriff and everything. And they would – like this guy said, they would absolutely starve me. Like I was starving and I was so dehydrated by the end of it that it was like medical. And then there was so much shame

because once he left that place where he was only drinking like lemon and cayenne pepper or something, then it was a very impossible thing to keep up. So then there'd be a lot of shame with that. So it's just no surprise, but he said we were exploited. I'm like, you think as we made you get on a scale and make you take off your shirt, you don't think that was exploiting you? Horrible.

But you know what? That's what America is, is looking back at the past and being like, oh my God, we're awful. Okay, this newcomer, Katie, I met her. She's a very cute girl. She's on Real House of OC. And she's being sued for five million because she and two other people came up with this great idea to sell these little shot glasses that are like a glass golf ball at the bottom.

And God, there's a lot of golf in this state. And then it's like a little, and somebody gave up to us. Someone gave these glasses to us. They're very cute shot glasses. They're a really cute gift. This guy is saying that was my idea. And I shared it with these two partners, Georgia Dolores,

who then stole my idea and got with Katie who already had a golf line because they knew it was going to explode because she was going to be on The Real Housewives. And you stole my idea and I want $5 million. I think this is going to be a really hard thing to prove. But, you know, welcome, welcome Katie to The Real Housewives of lawsuits. Okay, because that's what you get, you know. He probably would have just licked his wounds and said, I thought I mentioned that idea once to someone at a party, but well, what have I got now?

And now he's like, oh no, let me find a lawyer who will sue this woman who's on Real Housewives. So we'll see. They'll all shake out in court after hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees. Real Housewives of New York. Oh my gosh, the new girls, which is not gonna be called New Housewives

of New York anymore, it's just gonna be Real Housewives of New York. I have never seen a better cast photo, a better dressed, cohesive fashion extravaganza. The girls all look great. I hope that the show is as juicy and interesting and pleasing to the eye as this cast photo because it makes me so excited to go to New York, which I'll be there October 11th at the Palladium, and interview these women and see them

and get chic black outfits altogether and slick back my hair, but I love it. Selling Sunset is back with the Oppenheimer little tiny twins, and I'm excited for that show. That's gonna be juicy with the real estate porn and the fashion. But the thing I'm most excited for is this TikTok inspired show on Hulu, The Secret Lives

of Mormon Wives. And I read the breakdown of all the girls and oh my God, they're almost all of them are either divorced or on their second marriage, lots of blended families, but they're all like 24 and have three kids. And this was the TikTok and craze where they got together and they were cute and they did marriage, lots of blended families, but they're all like 24 and have three kids. This was the TikTok and craze where they got together and they were cute and they did TikToks and then the one girl revealed like they were doing soft swapping where they would like make out and go to like second or third base with someone that wasn't their spouse, but

they would do it next to their husband. It's like, you know how like certain really religious people were like, well, we only side hug until we're married. This was like a version of that, but for swinging and they're going to reveal it all on the show. So very excited for that. Brad Pitt is saying AA got mad at him for him revealing he was an AA. And he's like, why don't you want the advertising?

I'm not saying who was in my group, but they're like, well, you're supposed to be anonymous. Very bizarre. I would call that out, too. I'd be like, what do you want, people? I just said it's working for me. He said he really had a problem his whole life with it. He's been sober for a while now. He has this new girlfriend and just enjoying their life.

Of course, his issues with Angelina Jolie continue. Unfortunately, the six kids that they shared, I think only one boy, Knox, still has Pitt in his last name. I believe all three of the girls have removed Pitt from their name and are just Jolie because their last name was Jolie Pitt and the boys, the two older boys, Maddox and Pax, I don't think have anything to do with them. So that's kind of sad and maybe they can work that out too. I know it can be hard to find a shampoo and conditioner combo that really caters to your hair type, but Wei wants to give you the confidence to live your life your way, especially on your wash day.

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She didn't hold back on anything. I asked her about timelines. I asked her about the other women in Louie's past. And it was a really interesting conversation. It is a Zoom. We filmed at our house. We both look great. My background is my kitchen.

And I'm gonna tell you right now, I have an issue with my fridge. It looks like shit. NeNe Leakes would be absolutely horrified if she sees this Zoom. What happened was is I have a big freezer and a big fridge that are stainless steel that come together.

The freezer broke. We finally got what we thought was gonna match the side. It isn't, it's a different size. So it looks like the handles are like this. You're gonna think you're having an optical illusion. You're going to call your friends and say, what the hell is wrong with Heather's fridge? Relax, we ordered another side. It's going to be your friends and say, what the hell is wrong with Heather's fridge? Relax, we ordered another side.

It's going to be paired up. That's because you know I read every comment on the YouTube. I just had to tell you that. And I do appreciate you. So please subscribe to YouTube, tell your friends, share it, ring that like button, spread the word. We work very hard on the YouTube and I want you guys to enjoy watching it

as well as listening. All right, here we go with this interview. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have returned guests, but you know her best as Margaret Josephs, the star of Walmart products, so many different things, married to a plumber like just screw the plumber and star of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. How are you Margaret? Oh, fabulous, Heather. So happy to be back with you. You look stunning. I'm fresh off a plane. I'm so sorry. I look like a plumber right now. You look great. Thank you. Okay. So let's talk about because I've covered the show a lot on Juicy Scoop and you had an unconventional reunion

in which you were put into two different rooms, two different teams. We've got Teresa, Jennifer Aiden and Jackie on one side, Dolores, just like the poster is sort of in the middle, but she sits in that room. And then in the room, in the other room was you, Melissa Gorga and Jen Fessler and Rachel Fuda and Danielle.

Yes. So, you know, I've been reading all the comments and I guess they didn't really, people didn't really enjoy the watch back very much. They would have preferred to have a traditional reunion. How did you feel? I would have preferred a traditional reunion clearly. You know, people say a lot of reunions about resolution.

Resolution doesn't always mean making up. In my opinion, resolution is getting your feelings out and resolving that there is no forward movement with certain people and certain people need to get their feelings out and be heard. So I think a reunion would have been fabulous, but clearly there wasn't one. So I was disappointed there wasn't a reunion.

As far as resolution goes, this has become a thing that I've heard in the last couple of years in describing the franchises in general. The shows are about conflict and resolution. And why does it have to be about conflict? Well, it never was in the beginning. It never was when we first started watching these shows,

it wasn't about conflict, it was about people's interesting lives and the women happened to know each other and they would counsel each other and we'd see different things and we'd see them laugh and go, you know, get drunk in a bush together. But it wasn't all this like conflict. I, you know, I agree with you. When I first got on the show, I didn't even believe that women fight like that. Listen, I've had arguments, petty arguments with my girlfriends and things like that. And then, you know, we make up two

seconds later, you know, misunderstandings. The conflict that has been on our show is so insane. In my opinion, I can't believe it's happening. It's like, it's like nonsense. It's, it's absolute ridiculous. Who gets that deep into this stuff? Um, and, and honestly, like just say, just for argument's sake, if you, if you don't like your girlfriend's boyfriend or husband, you know, you can have an emotion, a conversation about it where people don't get so hysterical, right? It's like, okay, so let's get into that because the real conflict that has happened between you and Theresa is Theresa's belief that you set out to try to destroy her life and her marriage to her second husband, Louis. And she has this unwavering belief that that was your intention from the start.

Before we get into explaining it, one thing that I have been thinking about, take out the cameras, take out, you really are just women that know each other, and your girlfriend, Teresa, who didn't really have a great first husband, definitely questionable on fidelity, questionable on financial situations

in which she went away to prison for a year. Now she's back and she's all excited about this guy, okay? And you and maybe your other girlfriends go, I got a DM, which can happen in people who are not on TV. And you and maybe your other girlfriends go, I got a DM, which can happen in people who are not on TV. I got a DM from a former girlfriend or a friend of a girlfriend who's like, hey, I know your girl Teresa's dating this guy.

He's my ex-boyfriend or my friend's ex-fiance and you should be aware because of a couple things. Now, no cameras. if that happened to me, probably the first thing I would do is call a mutual friend and say, okay, I know Teresa's like super excited, and I have to say he was super nice to me when we all went to dinner.

But like what's up with this weird shit? He can be personal. So in setting that stage, I think people are not realizing that that is a very common thing, especially with dirty John and people being on their second marriage and being over 50 and being in this world where you can find out everybody. Wait, let me tell you something. When I was with Joe, it happened to me.

I was first with Joe and my friend and this is not why we're not friends anymore. We're not friends anymore because she decided not to talk to me. She was mad I got married and didn't tell her. She was like, we don't know this guy. Why would you be with him? He you know, my business was very successful at the time. So yeah, so before it was before my lawsuits though, even. And she was like, how do we know this guy doesn't want you for money? How do we know, you know, this was before my lawsuits though even. And she was like, how did we know this guy doesn't want you for money?

How did we know, you know, this, that, and the other thing? I said to my girlfriend at the time, I was like, he's successful in his own right. Not just because he's the plumber. And I didn't want him just because he's the plumber. Joe, we don't really discuss. He owns apartments, things like that, you know, with his family, it was, you know, all things.

And I just said, he doesn't. And I had tons of phone calls. Well, my decorator said he's bup bup bup bup bup. I had tons of phone calls. This one calling me, that one calling me. You know, they were concerned. They were worried. But it didn't cause me to have like a hemorrhage and say, you know, you're the worst friend. You don't want me to be happy. You know, that, that didn't come into my mind. So let's go over exact and friends, just saying, you know, one of Joe's friends said to him about me, she's high maintenance. Look at her. I heard about her. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Why would you be with her? And Joe's still good friends with him. Right, in the beginning of a relationship,

you're not married yet. I understand people keep their mouth shut when there's children involved. They didn't have a child together. Yeah. So I can see why you're like, and so now behind, there's a lot that happened obviously that we don't see, which is happening more and more

on these shows, which I think is frustrating for the producers and frustrating for Bravo and most frustrating for the fans. Because we, you know, whether it's conversations that happened or lawsuits that happened, or, you know, things behind the scenes with these bloggers. And, you know, it's only grown with people doing kind of what I do or writing things or whatever. So let's get into a little bit in clarifying

when they first started dating and your first your first opinion and when you may have heard rumblings from exes disgruntled exes, which everybody has a disgruntled ex otherwise they wouldn't be an ex. Exactly. I will say it, when they first started dating, I was thrilled for her. I was so excited. She told me how great he was.

The Gorgas told me how great he was. I was nothing but thrilled for her. That is 2021 by the way. I wanted everything good for her. The person who I had no idea. I wanted everything good for her. The person who I had no idea didn't want everything good for her. Well, I knew she didn't want anything good for her was Jackie, but I didn't care.

You know what I mean? I was like, they moved past it. I thought nothing of it. Then, you know, whatever it was, the thing started to come out online right before we started filming. Right when we started filming, right when we started filming actually.

Was that before the the Instagram account posted the warrior video from a couple of years prior? It was no, the Instagram account posted the warrior video in 2021. And that's when her him and Teresa got together. Really? I think so. They got together in 2021. He or maybe they got together the year before or I can't or the beginning of that year. Their timeline that they said recently on a Carlos King thing is. So, you know, we heard her story. I was on a walk with a girlfriend. I walked by a house. Yeah. It was the summer before whatever they got. I walked by a house. Yeah, it was this summer before, whatever.

They got together. He saw her, his son goes, oh, that woman is on Real Housewives of New Jersey. He's like, she's attractive, whatever. He chased her, talked to her, gave her his number. I heard you, on Bain Boulevard. Gave her his number. She was like, what?

And then her friend convinced her to call him. And then according to them, they talked and dated for four months before they became intimate. Now the other part I heard is- I don't believe that for two seconds, but whatever. The other part I heard is that he was living with, I don't know if it was,

so he has an ex-wife, he has an ex-wife, he has two Vanessa's. Yes. Were they back to back-back significant relationships? Yes, yes. And then, but there was a different person, not named Vanessa, that he allegedly was living with when he saw Teresa walk by the house.

That was Vanessa, another Vanessa. Okay, so one Vanessa was an engagement. There was one Vanessa, the engagement, and then there was another Vanessa with dark hair, who then went out with Dolores's ex. Vanessa number two dated Dolores's ex boyfriend, the doctor. Yes. Oh my God. See, there's so much good stuff that we missed. Yes. Yes. Yes. Why couldn't this all be on the show? It was mentioned. It was mentioned. It was like, I was mentioned,

but it's a lot to follow. It's like a lot to follow. But I want to just clarify a few things. So that, see, the reason I even found out about this, Jackie told me that she goes, there's two Vanessa's. Now I had no idea about that. I was like, how does she know there's two Vanessa's? Yes, there's two Vanessa's, there's two Vanessa's.

The reason she knew that, which I didn't find out till not that long ago, was that she had both Vanessa's at her home. That was what it was. Both Vanessa's had gone to her home. Together at the same time? Yes. So they're buddies.

Both of Vanessa's are friends. Yes, Vanessa and Vanessa 2.0 were both at her home. So they are friendly as two exes that come together. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And one of those Vanessa's is the one who became a therapist specializing in dating narcissists. Yes, she was a therapist before. And that's the same one that did,

I'm doing a charity event where I run in my wedding dress. Yes, yes, yes. And I think that was before, you know, Louis became a public figure. Okay. So, so somehow he goes to this Christian how to be a better man event. I don't know if it's so, you know, I don't know what's so Christian about it, truthfully, but whatever. Maybe it's not, I don't know, but I, I understand. Toxic masculinity. I mean, you know. I understand the man who lives in Newport, who runs it.

Cause I was interested. So I started following him. Well, that's a, that's a whole other story. So he has this kind of empowerment weekend. Hey, to be fair, there's a ton of empowerment female weekends that anyone can go to right now that involves yoga and you know, whatever. So this thing was, okay, so now part of the program,

just like a religious retreat is writing a letter and saying it to a camera to, I guess, the woman that you wanna get back with. And- And by the to, I guess, the woman that you want to get back with. And by the way, I just want to tell you this, that that video was not to either of the Vanessa's. So to a previous fiance before the two Vanessa's. Yes. So from what we know, he had the wife that he had the two sons with. Yes. And then there was Paula. Then there was a woman named Paula, but that's not the one he was declaring his love to or was. No, that was, that was the video.

Okay. Then he had Vanessa who is engaged to, and then he had Vanessa that was just a girlfriend. Yes. But the Paula was also engaged to. He was engaged to the second Vanessa. No, he was engaged to Paula. Yes. But the poor one was also engaged to he was engaged to the second Vanessa. No, he was engaged to Paula. Okay. And then he was engaged to Vanessa. And then he was the second Vanessa was the girlfriend. Got it. So Paula was the one who received this video. Yes. Yes. Paula, who's, I don't wanna, you know, she's not a public figure, but I mean, hey, if you're on Instagram, whatever,

but I don't know her last name or anything. I don't know her last name, I don't know her. So let's not try to find it either, leave her alone. But anyway, so she, for whatever reason, somebody probably found her, some blogger probably found her. She probably was enjoying sharing some scoop about her ex who's now becoming a public figure. And Cher somehow gets that video to somebody

who then gets it to somebody who then posts. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And I personally thought it was just kind of funny. I didn't think it made him look like, I haven't said this, I'm like, it was funny. I actually did a parody. I was on a vacation with my girlfriends. We did it.

I know, I liked it. I remember. I thought it was- You did a parody cause I was like, I'm gonna be a better wife and I'm gonna make more than just a sad chicken dinner. And like, I made all these funny things about it. I really didn't think that it made him look at all. Like I'm like, if you want to look on the other side of it, it was someone who was trying to improve themselves. It didn't work out with this woman. He was trying to improve himself.

Now, up and Adam had shared an alleged letter that he wrote that got out there and I don't know where it came from in which he had to list a lot of negative things about himself in order to be accepted into this weekend program. So that I haven't read that letter. I haven't heard that thing is a little more I think bad than just him having a sunburn, pouring his heart out to a girl. You want that? When I saw that video, I was like, wow, it's a little weird.

You know what I said? Just explain it. Be, you know what I mean? Don't, but it was very, you know, Teresa was like, don't bring light to it. Don't bring light to it. It was all over the Internet. You know, we've been on the show long enough.

You just come out with your dirty laundry. You get ahead of it. We're all human. Things happen. Not a big deal. She immediately was like, you did this. You're trying to hurt Louie. I'm not trying. I wasn't trying to hurt Louie under any circumstance. I do want to say one thing, though. The one thing I did know prior to that video was

the pizza gate with the gorgas and I kept my mouth shut. And can you just refresh people on the pizza gate? And I knew all about it and Melissa and Joe said to me, please keep it quiet. And I didn't wanna hurt Teresa and Louie's relationship. And I was there for the whole thing. And I was like, I'm not gonna say one word because it's a new relationship and I want their relationship to work out.

So I was actually being a good friend to Teresa. I didn't want the world to know what happened and Melissa and Joe really wanted to work out for them and they're like, forget it. We're going to bury it. I knew about the pizza gate too. Somebody in the Gorgor world had told me. Okay. And was like swarming to secrecy. And because you see that right after, you know, Teresa got home from being away in prison, the Gorgas and her were getting along, they were going out to dinner, they were having fun.

She was like, set me up. I saw her then too. I wanted all good things for her. She was a different person then. Do you know what I'm saying? Right. And so then all of a sudden we're hearing like, you know, oh, there's a big rift between the Gorgas and Teresa and Louie. And I was like, how did that happen? And so this person told me, saw no secrecy and explained and explain this. It was explained to me. Joe Gorga had an idea to do a subscription where you would get this pizza, homemade pizza oven. And then like every month, like food would automatically come, which there's a million companies like that. And ever you could order the same pizza toppings every time,

or you could do different and experiment like a wine club. And I thought that's a really brilliant idea. And for these two Italians to get together. Huh? Yeah, for colleges and things like that. Yeah, like it could be really fun and great. And so what was told to me was they were all excited to do this together.

And then Joe Gorga was blindsided when he found out that there was a whole photo shoot going on with just the just Teresa's daughters and them doing this. And he was like, what the hell happened? And then then it just went away. And I did go, well, why did it go away? Like, could we give a little credit to Louis for killing the deal for himself as well? Like he didn't go forward with it. Did he not go forward with it because he wanted to save the relationship,

try to save the relationship? Or did he not go forward with it because without Joe Gorguch he couldn't? Like that's what I, because she had said he lost $250,000, Louis, by just going like this and hoping that they could be friends again, because this is all before the wedding. What is your understanding of that? I was there when the phone call happened because Melissa called me very upset that Joe was having a freakout.

My Joe and I drove over there. I heard the screaming. Louis was like, this is for your sister. We'll give you 5% of the company. Joe's like, I go to the company. It's my nephew who's importing the pizza ovens for you. The nephew is on Melissa's side. Yeah. You did all of this behind our back. Um, you ghosted my phone calls and now you're going to give me 5% of the company that, you know, was my idea. And I started, no, we're not doing this, you know, and they had changed the name. It was going to be like no nose. And it came out skinny Italian or whatever it was. They had boxes made,

they do. And then Louie's like, all right, we'll give you 10%. You know, and Joe's like, we're not doing it. And I just, I, you know, I was like, let them do it. It's so stupid. I mean, they wrote gluten-free on the oven, the sample, which I thought was even funnier. Who writes gluten-free on an oven? It was kind of funny when Joe showed me the prototype

and I was like, I go, just do your own. I go, forget it. Just let it fly. And he was like, it's such a slap in the face. He was just like so hurt, you know? And- Because he was excited to have a clean slate, right? With her and move forward with this husband

because and the other Joe had had troubles over the years. And then Teresa, and then they were like, just forget it, I'm gonna eat it, I'm gonna this, I think the pizza, and that was it. And they just like, and then Louie's like, I'll eat the pizza ovens. I don't think it was $250,000. I think that was a gross exaggeration.

It might've been 150, might've been 100, maybe 100, whatever it was, it just went away and, you know, they gave them out. And that was it. And they were like, neither of us are going to do it. And it's done. So they agreed not to talk about it. And I was like, fine, no one's going to talk about it.

I never mentioned it to anybody. I went on, you know what I mean? We went to filming. We're like, we're not bringing this up. There's going to be no conversation. You know what? I want her to be happy. Everything else done. And immediately, you know, she starts accusing me because I am somebody who, you know what, something happened. The video came out. I was like, just address it.

Who cares? Immediately. She got hyper defensive. She was like, I'm not doing this. That was also, you know, along with the Jennifer, I, you know, I was, you know, I was fighting with Jennifer Aiden, cause you know, I had mentioned about the cheating scandal at that time. So she was like, you're trying to hurt me.

I was like, no one's trying to hurt you. No one's trying to hurt you. Just, just make your life easier. Explain it. And Louie got very aggressive with me, you know? I'm not intimidating, you know, you can't intimidate me on your best day. I was like, I see what's going on here.

You know, no man acts like that. Couple things. First, I wanna say, I think you're totally right about getting ahead of things. I've done that in my own life now being a public figure. I've been like, I'm gonna share this so that if this ever comes back to, you know, if this person ever wants to try to say a different narrative, I've been like, I'm going to share this so that if this ever comes back to, you know, if this person ever wants to try to say a different narrative, I said it

first, which is very, it's a lot easier to get your story out first than defenders to defend to then to defend a falsehood. Okay. So that's just very true. But also, um, jumping over to real house was mostly there's this stupid storyline, which is kind of funny. Did Heather DeBrow call the paparazzis when she and Terry went to Disneyland? Because prior to that, there were some cheating rumors. I don't know. And the photos are kind of funny and they talked about it. And then this new girl comes and goes,

I have proof that she did call. Well, on last, the other episode, she brings it up to Terry and he goes, if there's a number, I want to call it. I love being in the papers. Can we call it? And I thought that was a brilliant way to be. At first she was defensive, but to be like, look, I'm going to go on record and say I didn't do it. But even if I did, who gives a fuck? We're on a reality show. Do you think people that would put their whole lives on a reality show don't want to be photographed by the paparazzi? We do.

Exactly. That's what you should say. We all want to be photographed by the paparazzi and put in a magazine. We wouldn't be on TV being a reality star if we didn't want that. And I just thought that was a smart way to be. I would have given Louis similar advice to you. I would be like, embrace it and do it with with funniness. Be like, I tried to improve myself. I tried to do it with this woman.

It didn't work out. I did love the program. I am a better man because of it. If she chose to share it years later, fine. I wish I'd worn sunscreen. Like, exactly. Heather, I'm the same way you are. I came on, you know, right on the show. I had an affair. I did this. I did that. You know, I've suffered for this, you know, whatever it is, you have to come on with all your blemishes. That's what I was trying to say to them. I was trying to explain that to Teresa. He got very aggressive, diminished the women. I have crazy exes. I have this. I have that, you know, he could have crazy exes, I have this, I have that. He could have came out like a super sore

and said exactly what you just said. And that would have been it, that would have put it to bed, but the hiding, the lying, the storming off, the this, the that, accusing people, hiring bloggers, everything else, it backfired. And then just doing aggressive things. And it just, it went on a downward spiral. I think, which is why I always say that,

and if I had a friend, if they were doing a real housewives of that, you know, whatever, West Lake Village, and I had friends that were gonna be chosen, I would give the advice of, get ahead of it all, be really honest, but also just know that every single thing is going to come out. I think he underestimated, I think he thought of only what a non-experienced viewer sees,

which is how fun it is. Teresa is very successful. There's these fun opportunities that come. We can show what a great blended family we are, which I do believe they all seem to get along, whatever, that's what we see, that's what it appears to be. That's a hard thing to accomplish.

And I just don't think he thought about how in this day and age, how everything comes up. Like there are just women that watch this show and I think it's predominantly women that are strange, that are jealous, that don't have anything to do, but they are fucking good on the computer, maybe as good as Bo Deedle. And they get into it and they are so incredibly obsessed

that to have one of these people that they've watched on TV for 14 years is now directly communicating with them. They're like a disciple in a mafia movie. They'll like do whatever is told by the Dom. And that is what I think happened with some of these women, Melissa's old nose and all this stuff that I've covered that were clearly communicating with Teresa,

Jennifer Aiden and this attorney that somehow felt it was in Teresa's best interest for him somehow to get involved with storylines of the show, which I find very confusing. I think they wanted to change the narrative of the show. I think they got involved with these bloggers. And, you know, it was, it's actually very sad because it's, they ruined the atmosphere

of everything that was fun about it. And it was the online attacks. I'm grateful to this, I think it's funny we're calling her Melissa's old nose, which is, I mean, just that we've been calling it that is kind of hysterical. And what I don't know that there's anybody on the cast that has an original nose.

So whatever. Me, I never got my nose done. Me, I never got my nose done. Though, you know, the teeth and a face lift, everything else. Everybody's had something done and most women that have a few dollars do. Sorry. That's just the fact. But yeah, you know, everything else has been lifted and tucked.

Not a tummy, but you know, the boobs have been lifted and reduced. But anyway, she, I'm glad she had to come to Jesus moment because- The blogger, the woman. Yeah, the blogger, because everything I've been saying for the last two years, I knew to be true because I was like, no one's doing this just because they're a fan and she was working for them. And I think that's that's the sad part. Listen, everybody answers their fans, the block, you know, a blogger, but to actually leak information, say, you're helping my family

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somehow thinks that you're, what was that about? She thought you were like trying to ruin her new marriage or something? You know, because I thought, again, good friend that I am. I see her not being good with Marty and his kids. And that I am. I see her not being good with Marty and his kids and that's true. And I said to her, I said, um, you need this marriage. This, you know, is not good. The way you're acting. I said to her off camera and I go, cut the shit, you know, I go, I

don't like what's going on here. I said, you're making a big mistake. If you need a sugar daddy, you give sugar. And that's what she, and I said, and he's not a bad guy. He's a good person. You've got to stop. And she didn't like that. And I meant it. And I just, and I was like, this is not the way you run your life. I said, you need this marriage to work out and be better to him. And he had an elderly mother. He was a good person. His kids were lovely. She was always saying his kids weren't nice. I think she probably regrets it. And I was being a good friend. I would say that to any of my friends. It's nothing I haven't said to my any friend.

If I think they're being a douche to their husband, if I'm being a douche to my husband, you know, sometimes Lexi's like, you know, don't be so rough on Joe, you know, that's what you do. And I did care for Danielle. She moved to Englewood to be by me, literally a few blocks from me. And you have a conflict sort of at the wedding where your bridesmaid, correct? Yes. Yes. I said this to her off camera and then she got real bitchy with me. And I was like, you're making a mistake, but whatever that happens. You know, she does. She does

get married. Yes. And then they do break up. And that's when she pulled your, your ponytail. They were having issues. Yeah. And that's, I think, yeah, they were already having, yes. Then she pulled, they're already having issues. She blames me for the breakup. No one, I can never blame anybody for a breakup in marriage. I cannot break up someone's marriage. I wasn't sleeping with your husband. I did not tell him to leave you. You, you did that all yourself. And she, um, you know, and she's telling, you know, Teresa, all these things at the time. And I, whatever it was in Teresa, you know, goes along with, yeah, you know, Teresa says, yeah, pull her hair. Now in defense of Teresa, which I can't believe I'm saying this, she was extreme. She didn't think she

was going to be found out. That's first first thing. She was extremely remorseful. But like she could tell Danielle jump off a bridge. She doesn't have to do it. Danielle is the one who pulled my ponytail. Just because you tell someone to do something doesn't mean they have to do it. But Teresa, Danielle would do anything to please Teresa. Got in her head, whatever it was.

And Teresa orchestrated it. I forgave her after that. I was in shock she did it. Teresa and I were good. I got in her head, whatever it was. And, you know, Teresa orchestrated it. I forgave her after that. I was in shock she did it. Teresa and I were good. I was defending her. You saw my face when I found it out. I was in shock and we made up after that. I don't hold a grudge.

I'm not a grudge holder. You know what I'm saying? That's just that's not my nature. If I forgive someone, I forgive somebody. I don't need to like carry on about it. After that, we're fine. Everything's great. To me, I thought everything was great. She's like, I'm going to make it up to you, honey. I'm going to show you how much I love you. I'm so sorry. She would call and check on me. Not enough,

but enough in her opinion. To me, everything was fine. I thought nothing of it. The whole Jackie thing comes out the year later, the cheating scandal, you know, we still went away to like George, Jackie was made of me, whatever it was. Let me just say, the whole Jackie scandal is, Teresa says on camera, I heard a rumor that he gets together with people on a gym. The reason I thought that was extra juicy

is because I thought it alluded to a male gym. Yeah, I know. So I thought she was alluding like a double scoop. Okay. And, but again, it was just a rumor I heard, which I was like, okay, now we're into, there were plenty. They did the same thing on Real Housewives of OC. I heard a rumor, you know, Kelly Dodd did a trade, the most ridiculous thing. And that became a storyline. And I believe sometimes these veteran housewives

throw out something because they're like, I got nothing going on. None of my kids are getting married. I'm not getting divorced. I'm not pregnant. What can I do? And I get it. Like I get there's a formula to this now.

And unfortunately, you know, they they I don't know if it's the producers are telling you it's boring. It's boring. We're going to get just started. I mean, that was our first all cast. So she was the beginning of the scene right after Covid. She has said now said, said, I heard it from your husband, Joe came home from a dinner with the men and told Louis, who then told her who then said it. So therefore they say it actually came from you. What? How do you answer that?

This is, I think it's the funniest thing I've ever heard. First of all, I don't go to the gym. That's a fact. Everybody in my town knows I've never even been to the gym. So the funny thing is they said, her story is, then she changed it because she had it, can't take responsibility for everything. She said she heard it from her brother, Joe Gorga, who must have heard it from Melissa, who must have heard it from me

because I live in the Tentafly area. They tried everything to dig that up. They said, they called my friend Serena from Tenafly, you know, that was the big word going around to see if Serena ever heard it. You know, they were trying to make this rumor be true. I had never heard that rumor. I mean, I was in shock when she said it at the party.

I was like, ooh, what's going on here? Now. And to this day, to this day, there's been no proof of it at all. No, no proof whatsoever. There's never, you know, been proof of something like that, of Evan doing anything like that. So with that being said, I never said that.

If I heard that, Jackie is such a fragile character. You think I wouldn't have said it to her, Jackie, holy fuck, I heard this. We better get it, we better squash this. I would have said it off camera. I would never do something like that. If I heard something like that, I would know set it off camera. I would never do something like that. If I heard something like that, you know, I would know Jackie's reaction. I would have like said immediately like, holy crap, I heard this.

There's no way would I be gossiping like saying this to this and this and not tell Jackie Goldschneider. That's a fact. Jackie would have never had that reaction if she knew ahead of time and I would have told her ahead of time. So that's the first thing. Didn't come out of my mouth. This is some fictitious nonsense that, you know, Teresa had to fabricate because she

can't take responsibility for her behavior. Two, the way Jackie handled it is no way I would handle it. And she even wrote it in her book. I told her drop it, make it go away. Be like you're sick in the head. You wish you were getting the dick I'm getting, you know, make it go away. Be like, you're sick in the head. You wish you were getting the dick I'm getting, you know, forget it, da, da, da, da, da. And you know, like if someone said,

like she always, you know, my husband, you know, is cheating with, I would laugh it off. It's so ridiculous, but it affected her so much. It became the entire season. So then, so then. You so then now we know because she was pissed at Teresa, she then. Invited the two Vanessa's over a couple years ago, yes, no, right

after that season right after before we even went to the cheating reunion wearing all white. OK, before we went to the cheating reunion wearing all white, okay? Before we even addressed the cheating reunion wearing all white, those two women were at her house. And she says now, I was upset with Teresa, so yes, I met with these women to collect any kind of dirt that I could put away for a rainy day.

If she ever tries to come at me again, I can throw this out while the cameras are rolling. Now we don't know what dirt she got. Yes we do. What is the dirt? Well, I managed every dirt that she got, she seemed to know about. I mean, anything she seemed to know about ahead of time.

I never knew there was two Vanessa's, she's the first one who told me. She would send, you know, Oh, look at Louie when he was heavy, you know, he was much heavier at one point. I go, what'd you get this- That's very interesting that Jackie uses that as a negative thing.

I know she's said that- That she struggled with eating disorders and being that she's very anti-ozempic. That then she's struggled with eating disorders and being that she's very anti ozempic. Then she's going to mock someone who's now very physically fit. That's rude. And then she sent that to me and I was just like, where'd you get these photos? Oh, I, you know, someone sent them to me, you know, things like that. But I put nothing on it because I was like, Oh, you know, where'd you get these? I, you know, I was naive. Shockingly, I was naive to the fact I was like, it never even crossed my mind

because I don't think like that. I don't, you know, everyone's like, Margaret has an arsenal. No, Margaret is smart, pays attention, could connect the dots and puts two and two together. Yes, do I know a lot of people? I live around here for a long time. Can I figure out how to get things done? Yes, absolutely.

That's not an arsenal. You know, did I hold my cards when I found out a week ahead of time that Jackie Goldschneider had them at her house? Yes, I didn't know the whole time. I found out a week ahead of time of that meeting. That's true. She duped me too.

Listen, she was smart enough. She always told me she's gonna get Teresa back if it's the last thing she does. And she did, she stuck it right up her butt. She wasn't just smart enough. She always told me she's going to get Teresa back if it's the last thing she does. And she did, she stuck it right up her butt. I don't blame her. She wanted, you know, to get Teresa back and her to feel the pain that Jackie felt. And she did.

So that means not cause she had her at her house. It makes me believe that she told these ex whatever it is, the proper places to leak this information. Yes, I do believe that she told these ex at whatever it is, the proper places to leak this information. Yes, I do believe because I do remember seeing the the photo of Louise former appearance. I do remember seeing that on one of these things that I follow and I don't remember what it was. So you think she did gather that dirt and did because we did hear different stories. We did hear about the slash tires of some X. We did hear about this and that. And I'm not, listen, I'm not blaming Jackie. I'm blaming her for what she did to me. I

don't care what she did to them. She hated them. And what, and what do you feel Jackie, what do you feel Jackie did to you? What she did to me is she watched the entire time of Teresa saying, you did this, you leaked this, you did that. She knew for a fact I didn't like it. Her and I spoke all the time. I was like, I'm an open book. I'd be like, what is going on here?

I go, oh my God. Like, would we talk about when something got out there? I'd be like, oh my God, did you see that? Oh my God. You know, things like that. I mean, I discouraged her from doing things, not about that, but about other things. I was like, that's not my life. I don't want to see something bad happen to someone because you know why? Bad things happen to bad people eventually. They burn themselves on their

own. I don't need to be involved in it. I don't want to be involved in it. I don't want to see the demise of people because eventually they do it to themselves. And you know, that's the whole thing. So we would talk about it and she would say, oh my God, did you see this? Did you see this? And that's the way it was. So I would never have the,

I don't have time to deal with leaking things. And I do feel now knowing that she kept that her card so close to herself that she met with them, they were in her house. And I would always wonder how did she know these things? But it didn't click to me. It just didn't. And so then do you think when she got demoted as just a friend, then she was fortunately for her in Teresa's good graces

and then just was like, well, this is the way I can stay on the show is to stay really good friends with her. I think when she got to me, she goes, I don't want her to ever hurt me. I don't know what they're capable of. I don't want them to ever do anything to me. Um, I don't need these headaches. And I was like,

what are they going to do? Who cares? I go, what are they? You know, there's going to be a horse's heading in bed. What's the story? You know, I go, stop being such. And I was like, what are they gonna do? Who cares? Da da da, I go, what are they? There's gonna be a horse is heading in bed. What's the story? I go, stop being such a puss. Yeah, but it's like keep your friends close, your enemies closer. And I guess, Jackie played that game. And so then, but you started to feel the weirdness

because you were like, you're kind of ghosting me. You didn't give me a pre-published version of your book. And I bought it. I also bought it on Amazon. And then I got the influencer kit with everybody else, but not the same time the other girls did. Okay. And so you started to feel

that there was something weird happening. Yes. A distancing. Okay. Yes. I think she was doing her plotting you know, doing her plotting. I started that was after you revealed on the next, um, so, so you got, so you do attend the wedding. They have the big wedding two years ago and you go to that wedding and then it's after that. And correct me if I'm wrong. It's after that that they that you start to realize that there's this stuff going behind the scenes. We see him say on camera, I got Bo Deedle, biggest investigators

got a file on all of them. Yes. Yes. And explain the situation with the Walmart deal. Okay. Yeah, I go to the wedding, you know, and we had filmed that thing at Poeli. I heard him say Bo-Deedle. It didn't click to me what it meant. You know what I mean? He just said the name Bo-Deedle, but it was such a fast thing, you know, and then we see the episodes of just like,

Bo-Deedle is everything on you, because that was filmed like the day after. It was very crazy. I find out all that stuff. And then I, you know, I was informed by someone, you know, with the Walmart deal, who signed an affidavit for me. There is police, you know, I did file,

that's a fact, police reports about that, about harassment, cause I was like, this is crazy. He hired a smear campaign, it was brought up at Reunion, to try and smear my name, said he wants people to go after my Walmart deal, contact Walmart executives, and say negative things about me. And even Bravo had to shut something down that Melissa's old nose did admit to.

She was reaching out to sources saying things about me that weren't true. You know, well, that's a huge deal having products in Walmart and a huge company. But we know now in my level and even less, when people are mad at you, whether they're fans or whatever, they will get little armies of peoples or bots or whatever, and they will write to whatever, a podcast advertiser.

I can't believe you're associated with this person, blah, blah, blah. And if they get enough of them, they are like, you know, it's not that big of a deal. We've cut ties with her. And people do lose deals because of an online campaign. Yours was a much larger, more calculated thing because it is a larger deal. You weren't just, you know, making too grand to wear some mascara. No, no, no, no. This is how I feed my family. This is a tremendous, tremendous deal that I've had. I've been in there since 2011.

Huge. So now what, explain what happened with your son that was featured on the show? I want to just, yeah, I just want to explain that, you know, it's very sensitive to my family and we should work hard not to talk about it too much, but I'm going to give you a quick, a week before the reunion, the last reunion we filmed, a phone call was made to him. Everyone's like, oh, Margaret, show the police and force. No, I'm not going to. I'm not going to do anything like that. The network has seen it. The network has, you know, production, executive and production spoke to the police. I just want to make that clear. My children, all my children have nothing to do with the show. Don't even know the names of the people on the show. Don't watch the show. Don't have social media.

I want to make, so no one would know his name, especially not Louis, would not know where he works. Nothing remotely like that. A call was made to his office, asked for him by name. He was called by name and a threat was made to him. There was a conversation. It wasn't just a phone call. He Googled the person's name because he didn't know who it was when he saw it come up on

the thing. Because when he confronted him and said, I see your phone number, he said, oh, wrong number after the threat was made. Not like I'm going to kill you. Nothing remotely like that. Just like I'm the guy you have to worry about. I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just,

I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, police reports, they were filed in a very specific way. They're not gonna be made public. And that was it. I like to keep my family private and it wasn't good. You can easily see I was nowhere near him. I did not film near him. I did not use him as a storyline as Mr. Rueles is trying to say.

I didn't want it, but I did want it to be clear. It was true. It was known. Everybody knows that we said at reunion, I didn't it to be clear. It was true. It was known. Everybody knows that we said at reunion, I didn't want it discussed again. I wanted it to go away and that was it. I wasn't making a big deal. I wasn't gonna file charges against him.

I just wanted it dropped. Teresa dragged it into this season to constantly try and clear her husband's name. Well, you didn't do a really good job when he comes on screen to say, he wants my family to suffer and my son to suffer. Sorry.

How did you feel about the Instagram story written out on the orange background apology? That's not an apology. That's not an apology. Apology. It was apology blaming me saying he was lied on, you know, all these nonsensical things. It's not an apology. It was, he was trying to save himself and that's not an apology. And I think it just speaks to his character of who he is to say something like that.

And I don't, I don't say those things and I've never wished ill upon them. I'm one of the few, you know, Melissa, I love the way they contrast and Melissa saying she wishes nothing bad for them. She only wishes good things. And I've said that all along, go on your merry way and have nothing to do with me. Not meaning like, you know what?

I don't wanna talk, you know, I'm talking about them now because we're talking about the show. I haven't wished ill on you. Go be successful. You started this Vinavia. Good luck. I mean, hello.

You know, and everything else. Go have your life. Don't be so obsessed with my life. Don't talk about my children. Don't tell me anything. I don't talk about yours. Don't mention my family and things like this. They have a little obsession with me.

And I think their character has been shown. I think that's what it is. I think Andy Cohen said it best. That was the darkest moment on Housewives. And I thought the moment when we see that in the watch back last episode, the reaction of everybody. So nobody knew that until they saw that. Right. Because they

held you guys weren't able to watch it on your own. So the reaction, everybody had the same reaction, like what the fuck? And Dolores is sitting there and she's like, Teresa, like that is bad. And Teresa's first thing is like, what? Margaret's hurt my daughters. And she's like, it doesn't matter. Like you got to admit that wasn't good that he said that. You've got to admit. And she's like, you know, you're supposed to be my, for whatever it is. And you see that moment where Dolores is like,

I have had your back a billion times. I have, I think, not shared the story, which I think was smart about whatever happened with why her son initially loved working for Louie and then no longer worked for Louie. And I understand why. By the way, I understand she wants to protect her family. I would keep it quiet. I would keep because you don't there's two sides to every story and it doesn't want to be like he was not good or Louie wasn't good. It was time to work out and my son has asked me not to talk about. So please don't talk about it. And but at that point she's like, but Teresa like I'm being a friend. Like you've got to say. Yeah, I don't you know where that came from. That's just wrong or whatever. And, and so now let's talk about going forward.

Fans are saying what they want, what they don't want. Keep this one, lose this one, get three new people, start from scratch. What are your feelings about your future and the future of New Jersey Housewives? Listen, my future is I'm very blessed. I do have a Walmart business. I have a new business with Soiree. I have a very big life outside the show. I love the show. I'm not going to say I did up until like really this year was very, very hard. You know, the last two years have been a

little rough. I don't want it to be that it can't continue the way it is. But I think if it could be with a real friend group, which you could see that our room was very much a friend group and Dolores, that's magnificent. But if it can't, you know, it's up to the Bravo gods. Like I say, it's up to the Bravo gods. What they feel is entertaining and good TV. But if they can't, it's up to the Bravo gods. Like I say, it's up to the Bravo gods. What they feel is entertaining and good TV. But if they wanna reboot, they reboot. Whatever it is, I've had a great run. And I'll continue doing my thing.

That's what it is. I have a very, very full, happy life and it doesn't define me. I feel like with all this, people were like, oh, it was so sad. I feel like it's an, I actually was happy at the end of the episode because I did feel there was a loose resolution.

The resolution was you guys actually have a real friendship and that happened when she surprised, Rachel surprised you guys with pregnancy. We do. And the genuine joy was really lovely. Was really lovely. These are that our girls and and Dolores I say we all talk on the phone. We dinner together. We were just at Rachel's and it's very funny because Danielle kept saying to her, I feel like you're pregnant. I feel like you're pregnant. I had a dream you were pregnant. So that's why we were saying like when she did that, I was like, oh my her, I feel like you're pregnant. I feel like you're pregnant. I had a dream you were pregnant. So that's why we were saying like, when she did that, I was like, oh my God, Danielle's like psychic because Danielle always like says, I dreamt that and then it comes

true. So we were like, I was freaking out because of that. We really cheer each other on. That's not saying we don't argue or anything like that, but we really are happy for each other's successes and everything else. And I know Rachel so excited to be pregnant and she's a young woman and she's a great mother. And if you're around them, you know, we're really happy. And I really was teary-eyed didn't you when her and Jen Fessler made up, because I know they really love each other. So it just, you know, we, I was so happy when, you know, that came out. I was so happy when that came out. Well, are Jen Fessler and Jackie no longer doing their podcast together

or was this just she's doing a solo one-off Jackie? I think they're still doing theirs. I don't know how much longer that's gonna go. I'm not sure. I don't know what their contract is. Jackie's doing her solo to be seen. I don't know what their contract is. Jackie's doing her solo, you know, to be seen, to be seen. I think it's, I think it's, I think it's very interesting. Listen, Jackie,

you know, Jackie Judas Goldschneider, that's all I have to say. And what do you think about how so many interviews she has just bashed? Ozempic and similar medications for that. I really, I think there's a go tell me what you think. Go ahead. I think Jackie's not a doctor. She should stick to snooping and deceit being deceitful. to snooping and being deceitful. I really do. No, because this is the truth. Ozempic has helped so many people. It's also helped people with infertility, polycystic ovaries. She's saying it's like liquid anorexia. It's not. Anorexia is a mental disorder, but an ozempic has helped so many people. Listen, I'm on semaglutide. I've been on semaglutide for two years. My blood work's never been better.

My A1C was a little high. It shuts off the food noise in your head. Everyone's like, do it the right way. No, after menopause, I'm sorry. I could not shed a pound. I don't have those, sorry, Heather menopause, I'm sorry. I like could not shed a pound. I don't have those, you know, sorry, Heather McDonald, those gorgeous legs you have, because you do, you look amazing.

And you know, women do suffer, men suffer, you know, your certain things in your body changes. And I really was a little insulin resistant, my A1C, I was always a little borderline, you know what I'm saying? My gremlins are, so her making these blatant statements, she's not the authority because someone had an eating disorder doesn't make them the authority, I know Zempik and I think there's some underlying, I don't want to say what I really, you know. Well, I'm going to say what I really think. Go ahead.

Because I've joked about it on stage, I'll say it. There is a group of women. Yes. There's two groups. There's a group of women that have always been naturally skinny and they never had to suffer with any kind of diet. It was just a gift.

And I've actually had a friend like that say to me, well, I don't like it that everyone can take a shot and now just be the one thing that came easy to me. She was kind of joking. She's like, I can't just take a shot and sing like Adele. And I just thought that was so funny. And I'm like, I do think there's a couple of women that are naturally skinny, that don't really like it, that their counterpart friends are now their size. And maybe those women have prettier faces. So now they're really the bomb. And they were always the Lucy and they always had the Ethel and now they're the same.

And it's the truth. There's people that are like, it's cheating. What the fuck do you care of what somebody does? And I also think in her case, someone that did suffer for all these years within eating disorder, which is very sad, and we see, oh, she never had ice cream and she had to eat these all weird things. That I also think she thinks again, wait a minute. It's not fair that I had to suffer to be this size. And now people can take a shot and not have

the mental noise and eat smaller portions and be healthier. It's just not fair. And I, I'm sorry. That's my opinion. I have a right to my opinion. I've given her opinion numerous times. That's what I think. And I think it's rude. Like, sure. Are there a couple of negatives to it? Yeah. Are now plastic surgeons are making money on tightening skin because if you don't eat right when you do the ozempic and you don't gain your muscle, you will get saggier skin. Any weight loss you get saggy. So if you're going on it and you're not going to eat a lot, don't eat a thing of pasta,

eat a thing of salmon, eat a thing of chicken, eat little portions of protein and work out. But you're going to lose weight and therefore you're going to have extra skin. And so they're saying now that at plastic surgeon's office, less people are asking for lipo, but more people are asking for, um, skin tightening kind of, you know, invasive or non-invasive stuff. Okay. So what? Yeah. Having, and that's, and that's how I feel. I don't understand. I, she is not the authority, um, on, on weight loss. I think it's actually, I think it's interesting that she would be taking this on as her challenge. It has nothing to do with it. And I think it's sad, but it is what it is.

And I think the other thing people aren't talking about is, and I don't know, because I'm not a doctor, but if this can work for people under 18, God love it. And I follow this one girl who shared her story. I gave it to my daughter who suffered for years and she had definitely some type of medical thing that was keeping her at an know, at an unhealthy weight. And now she is, it's working for her. And I think more and more people, I mean, there's nothing harder. Well, there's a lot of things hard, but one of a very hard thing of childhood is, you know, you hear people, I had to go to a fat camp. I didn't, I didn't feel like I was the size of my friends and it starts there. So if there's something genetically or whatever

that can help maintain your growing child to be more confident and live a healthier lifestyle and have less weight on their body so they can go and be in a sport or whatever, why is that a negative thing? You know, and so. You're a thousand percent. Also, the other thing is that they're also giving it to people for alcoholism and drinking issues. You have a very, it's very hard to drink on this drug. I mean, I don't drink, but other people have told me and they're starting to look at it for that. So there's a lot of positives to that and her taking anything to make it a negative and make it about her. It's not about you, Jackie. Everything's not about you. Yeah. Well, I,

It's not about you, Jackie. Everything's not about you. Yeah. Well, I loved talking to you. I think you've heard a lot. And I think it made it, you know, it is really interesting. And I think that Bravo was kind of like, this has just gone too, there's too many entities that were happening, not on the show. And I think they want to go back to just having a show where we see the things as it happens. I don't know. I think that might be a challenge in the world that we live in of social media and access to everything and all these people that are fans that want to somehow be part of the storyline. We saw it happen on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. So I think that's it. But I think the start, the way this can go forward is keeping true friends,

finding a couple other people that, you know, are connected to you guys somehow or that would fit in well. And I think if Teresa and Louis and their kids and maybe a couple other people, let them do some type of other show because it might be fun to watch if they are not fighting and plotting and planning with the other people. Like I would kind of like

to see what is there. I feel like because so much time has been set to share to share this story. I don't really, I don't really, we don't really see them as a couple. And maybe that would be interesting. I don't know. I never want to see anyone lose a job. But obviously- Just look at Instagram. You can see them as a couple. Yeah. But I'm just saying, I never want to be the person, a lot of people that do what I do will say, fire this one and do that. And I never, ever want to say that because I love watching the show. I don't want to see anybody lose their income.

So I think that's how I would solve it if I worked at Bravo and I would split the baby and have two great interesting shows that maybe people could be successful, but clearly, no, it can't go on this way. And I think everyone agrees to that now. And, but it was a, it's called a reality show. We watched the reality happen and part of the reality is jealousy to be top dog and all this stuff on a show.

It's a show. It's a business. It's, you know, and some days, some friendships just can't go on. Some families can't go on friendships. You know, nothing lasts forever. And I mean, when not in real life, when people say, you know, friendships have ups and downs and ebbs and flows as someone who's not been on a reality show. No. When it when it goes like that, it's kind of over. It's true. Only come back over and over again because you're being paid by Bravo.

In real life, if you had somebody do this, you'd be like, I'll be pleasant at a party, but we're not talking on the phone anymore. Like, but because you're on a show. Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. That's why, listen, I was, you know, I came back, but like, I was not going to be in a room with somebody

who I felt threatened by, who I felt unsafe around. You're right. And I think Melissa said it perfectly and I've been in that position too. She's like, when you have like, this is I'm paraphrasing, when you have like hard proof that someone does not want good for you. Exactly. They, they literally would dance on your grave. They literally might be happy if they found out that you were terminal and you really know that you can't fake it.

You cannot fake it anymore for all the money in the world. You can't. That's exactly the way I feel when they wish suffering upon me and everything else that has gone through. And I saw them trying her my livelihood. I I'm not going to be like, oh yeah, I forgive you. No. Right.

Okay, well tell us a little bit about where they can find Sfori, because a lot of people are sober curious. Yes, sober curious. And they can use it as a mixer too, Heather. Yes, you've given it to me and I really like it. But what I really like about having that experience is so much of enjoying drinking, you know, is the glassware,

the look of the pink Cosmo, the shaking it up and having it be perfectly cold. And a lot of people are really going that route and either really curtailing their drinking or going a whole way. And I think your company really fills that void. Thank you. Yes, you could get it on drinks soiree.com. In California, it's not in any stores yet. We're branching out to the West Coast. We're in a lot of places in New Jersey. We're in some shop rights in New Jersey. We're at Gary's. Oh my, oh my God, why am I drawing a blank, Lexi? Jesus Christ. I'm so crazy. What? Buy right.

Oh my God. I'm losing my marbles, Heather. Buy rights in New Jersey, the liquor stores. So and we're in a lot of hotels on premise. We're in Texas. We're at the Chicago White Sox Stadium. You know, we're just branching out everywhere. But with that being said, the reason I started is I don't drink, but I'm a non-judging non-drinker

because you could use this as a mixer. It's only 45 calories. It's all natural, great flavors, cucumber, mint, lychee, elderflower, passion fruit, rose and guava. So I want everybody to experience it, have an elevated experience, have a good time, have a party, mix it if you want, put it with tequila, put it with vodka. But that's really why I came out with it. Because I am a professional party girl and I want to party with everybody.

So if you're sober, curious, pregnant, just not in the mood to drink or if you want to drink- On Ozempic? Yes, on Ozempic, can't down two drinks because Ozempic makes you nauseous when you do drink. It's a great drink for you. Seriously, it's actually good for diabetics. It's very low in sugar. Margaret, love you.

Love you Heather. You have so many products at Walmart. You have all the makeup brushes and all that. I have makeup brushes, you know, the beauty blenders, every single, you know, the beauty sponges, a bunch of different things. I'm very blessed. Well, I will see you, you know, I'm coming to New York.

I'm coming to New Jersey. I'm coming to Red Bank, New Jersey. When are you coming? October, gosh, I don't have my day right here. In October, I will be doing Red Bank, New Jersey. And I'm also doing on October 11th, Friday night, I'm going to be at the Palladium in Times Square. Oh, fun. All right. So you'll have to come to one of those.

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