Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Meghan Markle, Hollywood Diets, Divorces and RHONJ Drama Continues

Episode Date: June 20, 2023

Kourtney Kardashian is pregnant. Kevin Costner wants his wife and kids out of his house. Kim stopped paying for Kroy’s Rolls Royce. RHONJ Louie allegedly DM’d a blogger regarding Margaret and more about smear campaigns. Then, I interviewed Hollywood legend, Nikki Haskell! From Studio 54, to getting LA skinny on her famous Star Caps, and her personal take on Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson, and Jon Benet: this is a juicy one! Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I am recording this here at my house in Likintit because we just drove back, which is about a four hour drive from the Tempe improv. I just finished four shows there. I want to thank every Juicy Scooper, especially the Patreon people that I got to meet after the show. I love performing at the Tempe improv even though I fell on my head there. It's still is such a fun club. And I was so excited to do all my new material there. And I'm even more excited to go to San Diego this weekend because not only will I have the fabulous Christopher and Joel, but I will have Justin Martindale there. I believe there's maybe like a hundred or so tickets left. Please come. I am so excited for this

show. And it's a beautiful venue right there in San Diego. Everything is at Heather McDonnell.net. And of course, that's where you join my Patreon where all the Juicy Escoop is always told. I'm going to do a bunch of hot topics and then I have a great interview with a Hollywood legend and you are going to love it. So first let's just get into what happened this weekend. I believe it's really fun, positive, excited, exciting news for Courtney Kardashian. She went to her husband's Blink 82 concert and held up a sign. The cameras were on her and he was playing drums and they're like Travis, look over here. And Courtney, who had her kids behind her, was holding a sign, Travis, I'm pregnant. So he comes down, gives her a kiss. It's a great moment.

Travis, I'm pregnant. So he comes down, gives her a kiss. It's a great moment. Now people are seeing how pregnant she really is, which I think is great. I think I wouldn't want to announce it unless I was really far along too. But that being said was Travis truly surprised. I mean, they're boning every day, making out every day. He didn't notice their tummy was getting bigger. Of course he knew. But who cares? Let the girl have her moment. Kim Kardashian took her whole wedding idea and got a Dolce and Gabana campaign copying her 90s Dolce and Gabana idea. So of course, Courtney was pissed.

Let her have her moment, let her have her Beyonce moment. Remember when Beyonce announced she was pregnant? We still don't know if that was a real belly or not. People think that was not a big belly because that was blue IV. And then there was that inner earish came down and it de-flated. Who cares? That was a great moment to announce that you're pregnant. People are, you know, it's all about whether you have a five followers or 50 million followers being pregnant and announcing to your husband who hopefully is happy to hear it or boyfriend is a great viral moment. Now,

his ex, Shannon Mochler, who has said numerous things doesn't seem so happy, she said, oh, well, I've known for weeks. And then she removed that comment from social media and then said, I'm very happy for them. So I'm really happy for her too. She'd mentioned that she was, had frozen her eggs and they were trying to, you know, fertilize those eggs. Then she said, forget it. We're just going to have regular sex and you see it a little bit on the show that they're boning all the time. I don't know how she got pregnant or not, but she's carrying her baby with Travis and we're happy for her. She's in her early 40s,

so that is great for anybody trying to have a baby. Also, I remember talking to Courtney back in the day that when Chris, her mom and Bruce at the time announced they were pregnant with Kendall, she and Kim were like totally embarrassed and thought it was so gross because she was like, I thought it was gross because my mom was over 40 and I was like, ew, like you're so old to be having a baby.

And then of course they got pregnant with Kylie too. So I don't know, hopefully that they have really good genetics that they can get pregnant a little bit later and also the girls should be aware of that. But whatever the case is, we're really happy for them. Surprise or not, who cares? Very, oh, very happy. But you know what? Some people wondered if I was happy about this one. Brodie Jenner, who is Catlin Jenner's son with Linda Thompson, who was married to Yalana Foster's ex, who is David Foster, and she was also Elvis Presley's ex-girlfriend.

I mean, come on. The jeans are Linda Thompson and Caitlin Jenner. Brody Jenner, I think, is the best-looking guy on earth. Spencer Pratt, his best friend, Nozis. But I'm happy for him. He is girlfriend who is a professional surfer. She's so cute, is having his baby, and they had a baby shower. It appears.

And then he's surprised her and asked her to marry him. So I have to be happy for them since I had two of married. So it was kind of creepy that I was so into him to begin with. Okay, Jennifer Aniston has been promoting this stuff called Vital Protein's Collegiate Supplement. And you've seen it. again with. Okay, Jennifer Aniston has been promoting this stuff called vital proteins collagen supplement, and you've seen it, they sell it at Costco, and you're supposed to put it in your coffee. And well, there has been a recall. So nearly 60,000, 24 ounce canisters of this vital proteins collagen peptide powders may contain plastic shards, specifically

pieces of broken blue plastic lid that may have found their way into the collagen powder. So two weeks after the recall, Aniston even shared an Instagram video. I guess she didn't know about the recall because she was still posting her Instagram. I mean, it's so interesting that like these huge stars that have huge name brands still have to like do the same type of Instagrams and TikToks that the rest of us lose just have to do. But there she was going, years ago, I started using vital proteins, proteins regularly. And the opportunity, when it presented itself, I'm like, I am going to share my secrets to bouncy skin and soft hair. And that comes from collagen. And I freaking love it. It is great. It is good. And there is just ugh, I take collagen every day and my coffee and I drink it and I shine. Well, Courtney coincidentally was also getting collabs with them too, but for her push, whatever, just be careful

if you have some in your cabinet. Costco said very low risk to any consumers. Blue shards. Probably, blue shards probably will help with your fiber and will probably make you go poo, which everybody wants to poo more. So let's not be critical of blue shards in your vital collagen. Okay, a little update on the amazing the tragic story of the four children that were found in the Amazon after 40 days, they were in a plane crash and the three adults passed, which I believe one was their mother. And it was like 13, I think it was 13, 11, 9 and a baby. And they were were live for four days, and they're doing okay once they were found. This is the saddest part of the story.

The reason they were on the flight in the first place is because reportedly their mother was rushing to go see her cheating husband. She was like, your dad is a cheating mother fucker, get in the plane, we're going to go and confront him. And then they got got that plane crash. So now the hope is that these kids stay together. Her family doesn't want him to have the kids. However, he is the father. And it wasn't a cheating situation, but this kind of reminds me of Elian, the famous story of Elian. I've talked about it throughout the podcast. El, This woman, a left her husband and took her five-year-old son

to go on a boat to get to America from Cuba and something happened with the boat and everybody died except they found him in a little tube and he was five and then America wanted to keep him here safe in democracy. But in the end, he went back to his dad to Cuba. It was a big thing because the dad is the dad is the dad. Anyway, very interesting.

Sorry, look it up. It's a just to skip American history. Okay. Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, their Spotify deal is no longer. This effort between, it was either between 20 and 25 million dollars. It was a two-year deal because first I was like, wait, how long was this deal? Because it's now ended. They said, oh, we've mutually ended it.

Oh, but we're so proud of what we put together. You know, that was what the statement was. But now that I've read that it was, they've been doing this for two and a half years. That I think they did get the full for two and a half years, that I think they did get the full 2025 million and it just wasn't renewed. They also still have, so don't be sad for them, they still have their five year deal with Netflix estimated to be worth around 100 million. Now I don't know the deal of that, I don't know if, after two or three years, Netflix has

the deal, it has the right to stop that deal and they only get 20 million a year and they only walk away with 60. I don't know, but they are going to be fine at least for a little while. However, as someone who's been doing podcasting, it'll be eight years of this July 4th, myself, GCSCOOP. I met how many episodes Drake, seven, seven 56. Seven 56. Seven 56. So they, so Harry and Megan, and this was her Archwell podcast, which of course won awards. Why wouldn't it?

She did 13 episodes over two and a half years, 13 episodes. And it was also alleged, possibly proven, that she didn't even interview some of the people that she did. Like someone would interview them and then she would do like the top and the bottom or just record a little bit. And it was very written out and it was very, well, when I was a girl from, what was the thing that Let's make a deal where she opened the... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, suck it in, Michael, she couldn't pronounce my last name. I realized I'm grateful for the job, but the job didn't make me feel smart. You're opening a case,

you're opening a case with money in it, in a cute dress. Like why are you mad that once in a while, TV requires people to be pretty, okay? And pretty people get jobs sometimes where their brain doesn't matter. I am halfway decent looking. Sometimes I got to do stuff because I was cute. I realized I wasn't cute enough, which is why I'm a comedian.

However, I also know I'm never going to be an astronaut, okay? I can barely work an iPhone. So, you know, know your limits. Anyway, she did the show. They did 13 hours of programming over two and a half years. I just wanna tell you guys, I did two shows a week and that means 104 approximately a year. Okay, I can do the math.

That's 208 in two years, plus another half a year. Okay, I can do the math. That's 208 in two years, plus another half a year. That's what I did, okay? Spotify, whatever. Just letting you know what you get. This is a bargain price right here. And of course, some people that are really good at podcasting, Spotify's made some great deals.

Obviously, it was some people that are producing and worth every penny. I don't believe they were two of them. And this guy, Bill Simmons, who is part of Spotify, he went off on them. And he was like, they are grifters. He said, I can't stand him, meaning Harry. I am so tired. I'm so so embarrassed that I have to fucking have to share Spotify with him. The guy sucks. Everyone, okay, then he said, he also said, oh, I can't wait to tell you about the story of when I had to get on a Zoom with him and help him brainstorm a story that Harry could

tell, which is what I've said. Like I don't think they're great storytellers. I don't think they're great storytellers. I don't think they're funny. They take themselves way too seriously. They're not relatable. And the only juicy stories I have is about the royals and that some of the royals were shitting to them. And even those stories, I don't think I'm not just seeing anymore. So I don't know what they're going to do, but according to this report, they said, do you or might want to make her the new face of do you or who knows? I wouldn't if I was do you or I think they've lost popularity. Even there's reports that Oprah has kind of been like,

okay, you got some stink on, what happens in Hollywood? Sometimes people are all friends with someone because they're the cool person to be friends with. And then they get some stink on them. Right now Megan and Harry have some stink on them. Right now, Megan and Harry have some stink on themselves. And guess who's not coming around to have some bread and some croissants, but Oprah. She has not been seen trotting over to their house

with some amazing marble aid that she made off her trees to share with Megan Merkel and the two little kids and the rescue chickens and the yard. So who knows? But then there was a photo of her there like, here's Meghan Markle walking across the street smiling after she lost her spotify deal. And I'm like, look, of course, she's going to live her life and she doesn't care. This is the thing.

People don't realize how hard coming up with this much content is. And her shit was boring. And people weren't listening when whether she won an award or not. Everyone has podcasts. Every celebrity has a podcast. So if you're just depending on interviewing celebrities, there's not that many interesting stories to be told

that we haven't already heard. You gotta be like me, okay? That can come out with shit all the time, no matter what the hell is going on in my life and what the hell is going on in the world I'm sorry. I'm gonna brag a little bit because it's my birthday week. Okay, so as you know, Lisa Marie Presley died tragically very surprisingly a while ago a few months ago and her daughter Riley

She's daughter new Mariley who I believe is like maybe around 30. She's an actor She was in a great show called Girlfriend Experiences. We were looking for something juicy. I'm sure you can find a place to stream it. Look it up. Anyway, when her mom died, Priscilla Prussley, who is her grandmother, was fighting the estate.

The money was supposed to go to Riley and they were fighting, which was very disturbing, that the granddaughter and the grandmother were fighting over this Elvis estate money that was left to her mother, Lisa Marie, but also Priscilla's like, yeah, that was my daughter, Lisa Marie. So it was kind of a juicy, sad situation, but they have settled, which is very good,

and they both come out saying we are happy. Riley is to pay 400,000 in legal fees to her grandmother Priscilla plus $1 million and then they're good and then Riley would be in charge of the trust, which eventually I guess will be shared with her half siblings who are the

twins who are only 14 years old. And Riley will be the legal guardian of the twins as well. So I think that's definitely what Lisa Marie would want. And it's very nice that now they have their grandmother's support. So that is all settled. So in the Alec Baldwin chase, right now the prosecutors were trying to prosecute the armor who loaded the gun. Her name is Gutierrez Reed. They are saying that she was likely hung over from alcohol marijuana when she loaded the bullet that Alex

used the gun for and that killed the victim. So despite her plea of dropping the manslaughter charge that was done for Alec Ball and prosecutors insists that her that she is culpable, they, it's due to the hangover, they also thought that in the past she has had reckless behavior and people said one time she gave keys to somebody who wasn't toxicated and that person then had a car accident, which is very bizarre to use in this case. I would think they'd have to have some stronger evidence that maybe people were like, we were parting with her night before the night before. I'm guessing they have something like that, like a witness. That's gonna be like, I saw her drinking the night before

or I know that she spoke spot regularly or something. But so she is facing charges and also they say possible charges against Baldwin are still not completely ruled out. So there might be a lower charge still done. Let's get into the real housewife news scoop, okay? So I thought the real housewives of New York who are going that are in a St. Barters this week

were making 100,000 for the week. No, it has been revealed they are making $250,000 for the week each, or at least the top people are. This is however that, so that comes out to like $27,000 a day to party in St. Bart's. And as you know, they brought back Kristen Takeman, who was the pop of color girl. And it kind of came out of nowhere.

Of course, we have Ramona, Luan, Sonia, and Derinda. Those are like the legends. We brought back Kelly Bessamone, and then we have Kristen Takeman. And a lot of people thought that was strange. I didn't, because when I had Ramona on my show, I asked her was there anyone that you never got that you didn't get along with?

And she goes, you know what, actually, you know what, Kristen Takeman, I thought she was a little boring. I really didn't get her. I didn't understand what she was on the show. And then lo and behold, after two weeks of my episode being out, Christian Tech, me and gets hired. Now someone could come forward and go, no, she was in negotiations before your episode.

I don't care. I'd like to think that Bravo is listening to my show and I'm giving them great ideas. So hopefully they're having a great week and we get to see some fun. Meanwhile, I think it's kind of interesting that Bethany Frankl is still doing all her TikToks of going to a dollar store and having an orgasm

over finding like red vines that are delicious or a lip gloss for two dollars. And then being like, this is next level. It's elite. It's elite. Hey, talk to me. I'm not getting paid to do this, but I will. Come on, let's partner up.

I could sell you a shit off my belly button. It's so delicious. So I just think, remember she said, I had all these TV opportunities, all these TV shows, and I said, no, no, I don't want it. I want to tell the world what great lip gloss is for $2 at the dollar store, even though it's a dollar store, and it's $2.

And I want to, you know, just do my YouTube, which is, look at me now, okay? I agree, it's such a better way to go. Okay, a little bit, little update. Even though the Real House has a New Jersey, we have the third reunion, people are really feeling weird about all the accusations, about Bo Dital, who is a former real detective

with the police force, who now is according to Louis, the number one private investigator in the world. He, Louis said on camera that he got Bodidil to investigate every single person on the cast. He said it twice on camera. Then he said, I was just talking out my ass because I was pissed. Then they go on the reunion and this guy, John Fudah, said, I know that you were found out where my ex-wife was, what prison she was at, so that she would give scoop to bloggers to hurt myself and my wife.

He said, that's not true. I think you're, and then you went over. I think you're a great mom. And he's like, don't fuck with me. I don't want anything to do with you. I know what you did. So the woman who is the birth mom of his kid who now the real housewife has adopted, named Rachel, she made a statement saying, Louis never contacted me in prison. I believe Louis never contacted me in prison, but did somebody who worked for Bodidil, just like somebody allegedly who were for Bodidil, went to Louis X-Wife, who was a therapist,

and that's what she's claiming, this woman Vanessa, that he hired someone who worked for our Bodidil to come act as a patient and get information. It's all very bizarre. It all sounds very far fetched, except there's a lot of evidence that kind of says, I think this went down. The bodhiddle saying, no, I didn't, yes I did,

no, I did not say when I did, it's so much to follow. Anyway, of course, that woman is saying, I never talked to Louis on the phone. We're not saying you talked to Louis on the phone, okay? But I would, I do think it's very difficult to find out the information of someone in prison and how to get a hold of them. It takes a lot, a lot of, a lot of steps. You know where it doesn't take a lot of steps if you're a former detective. Then it's a lot of easy steps and not too many steps.

So allegedly, that's what they're claiming and the other side is claiming the other. She says, I'm going to get out in September and I would like to, I'm going to talk to a lawyer and to try to get custody back. Well, the stepmother already adopted him at any 16 years old. So I hope that you were able to forge a relationship with your biological son. I'm sure that if you're well, they'd be happy with it. But I don't think this 16 year old is gonna be like,

yeah, I haven't had two years. I'm gonna, please, just let the kid finish his high school and go to college and not complicate things. But this is not looking good for Louis. Meanwhile, Louis and Theresa were at some great event in Tampa, posting having the time of their lives dancing and having fun. There is a account called your mom's or watching. That woman allegedly is the one who found out,

if you're aware of this, that there was this whole smear campaign against Margaret orchestrated by people that Louis hired to screw up her huge Walmart deal. This woman, your mom's just watching, let Margaret know and then Margaret let Bravo know and there, there was police reports written and your mom's is watching did an affidated to the fact that she knew the people that were hired to do this mirror campaign and the communication was there. When all that came out and when they were able to stop it and save I assume save Margaret's deal. Margaret then sent a gift card to your mom's is watching for $500 in which that woman allegedly bought a pair of sunglasses and was like, great. After the camp of night of dancing around, your mom's is watching shared a DM on social media from Louis saying you really could do better with your life than wearing those sunglasses that were a bribe from that pig, meaning Margaret.

I mean, this is obviously a DM he wrote, it's weird that after a fun night, you're sending this to this woman at 10, 15 at night. It's just not looking good. I don't know if this woman is scared now that she's being threatened by Louis, but it's all just giving everybody an Ick factor.

This is so New Jersey. It's like in some ways, it's like this is so New Jersey that people know private detectives and threats and you better, the all of you is better watch out. But on another hand, it's like really making me viewers feel weird and uncomfortable and how deep does this go. And people are worried for Theresa. Other people are like, stop it. They're happy and in love. Leave them alone. All this, this is all just lies to, you know, make them look bad. It's a lot to take and a lot of people

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Meaning along with more divorce stuff, the quarry and Kim thing of Atlanta is horrible. They are continuing to live in the house. His $400,000 rules, Royce, in which she was making payments for. I guess it's coming out of her account. It has been, what do you call it, taken back, because he wasn't paying the $5,000 a month for it anymore. So that has been repossessed. And his lawyer continues to say, yeah,

this is what happens when you overspend because Cory's strongest argument is that he has evidence that she spend $1 month, $127,000 gambling. We have video of when they had the show together of the two older girls talking about how much she gambles and how much she loves to gamble. So we know that that is a part of her personality.

That's something she does. Both the older girls wished, Cory, their stepfather, a happy father's day. And so, but they're all living under the same roof while they work out this divorce. There are still some people that think this is bullshit. I disagree. Some people think this is bullshit

and they're trying to sell everything they can because eventually they're going to have to file for bankruptcy and it's better to sell it before that says I don't know. I just I definitely think that they have grown to hate each other a lot and there is no way that they're getting back together when they've accused each other of not being good parents. She says he smokes pot and she wants a part of his hair to test him. He says she drinks and gambles. So once you get to that place where you're accusing each other not being good parent, I don't believe that you can ever come back together. Meanwhile, Kevin Costner says, my wife and the kids need to get the hell out of my house.

They've been married for like 17 or 18 years. They have three preteen to teenage kids. And, but he said after his last divorce, he made sure he had a prenup that said if he ever broke up with this wife, who is named Christine, that she would have to leave the house. The same thing is what Lisa and Lenny and Miami said. Lenny said our prenup says, if we ever break up, you are to leave the marital premises.

She is staying put. She just threw a birthday for her daughter turning four and she had thousands of dollars of black and gold balloons up a staircase, which I have never hired a balloon person. I like the look of it. I'm sure it's a very hard job to do if you're a balloon person.

It seems like an enormous amount of money. And I don't know what the hell you do with those balloons after, but I guess pop them, which would be very annoying. Anyway, getting back to this. So he's saying she's got to get a house too. She is saying, no, this is a request for order. And it seeks to kick out Christine and their three children out of the house that the children have lived in their

entire lives. That's what her attorney is saying. And he's, Christine is taking the picture and that she will not move out of Kevin's separate property residence until he agrees to various demands. So she's being smart. She's like, all move out. I just wanna make sure I have all this money to buy an equally fabulous house

that I'm even more excited about than the one I'm currently living in with you. So the three have been married for 17 years. I don't care what the pre-NEP was 17 years ago. That's before I had three kids and dealt with your crotchety, Yellow pre-nap was 17 years ago. That's before I had three kids and dealt with your crotchety yet let's don't ask for 17 years. Meanwhile, Dean of Tori and Dean made a statement

on his Instagram that even though we've heard that Tori and Dean with her five kids, we know he cheated, we saw it on their previous reality show then they've been together, then they haven't been seen. We see her walking out about two years ago with legal papers that just happened to have the first page custody, a alimony, and they just habit of zoom in. I thought that was set up.

I love it, Tori. That was set up. I don't know if this is a publicity ploy as well, but he wrote on his Instagram. It's with great sadness and very, very heavy heart that after 18 years together and five amazing children, Tori Spellian and I have decided to go our separate ways and start a new journey on our own. Then he took it down, sources are saying, no, they just had a wicked fight and they're better than ever. I don't know. I don't think they're doing great, but it was kind of funny because the photo that they showed on TMZ, it's Tori and then him

with like the X, you know, going around it. And the best comment there was, I thought there was this Chloe Kardashian and Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I swear to God, they really do kind of look like that. But hey, no one wants you to break up, but I don't know what the point was that. But the fact that he did that, it's with a heavy heart,

which is what everybody does. So it was least co-cured enough to write what you're supposed to write when you're starting getting divorced. All right, you guys now I'm really excited for you to listen to Nikki Haskell. She's a legend in Hollywood, Studio 54, billboard. She knows everybody. She's been everywhere. And this is a real fun juicy scoop history interview for you. Please welcome Nikki Haskell. Mr. Sanctuary, and serial sister, you'll be addicted and oh,

takes it fast to the number one tabloid real life hot cat. Listen in, listen up. Woo, and a McDonald. Jups. Scoop.

Hello, and welcome to Chusey Scoop. I have a very exciting interview for you, a legend and icon from the East Coast to Hollywood's hottest billboards on sunset. Nikki Haskell, welcome to Tuesday's scoop. Great to be here.

Great to be with you. You know what a fan I am. So I met you through one of many Josh Flags parties. One of the best one was going to his party that he themed Nikki Beach, which was for 80th birthday. My birthday. The birthday. And that's actually, he did such a great job, the toast and everything, and a compilation video of your life is where I got to really know the story of your life that you began as

one of the few female stockbrokers in New York City, ended up falling into doing a talk show out of Studio 54 that was kind of like, was that sort of like a cable show or what would you call it? How the castes are? Yeah, it was public gas, it was cable. Okay. When I started, so I was a stock broker for 10 years, I worked for Drexel Burnham.

And when I quit being a stock broker, I was sort of like out of work. I was like underqualified, overqualified. I really wasn't qualified to do anything, even though I was making like $350,000 a year as a stockbroker. And Prince Agan von Furstenberg came to me and said that I'm doing this television show called Agan von Furstenberg Live in New York, which you like to be, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say,

I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to that, nobody got any reception out in New York. So they laid these cables, you know, the Bible belt, all through the South and everything. And then it was, and they started broadcasting.

And I was on Manhattan cable. And there was a porno show before me and a porno show after me. So I was before sports and after porno. So then Aegon decided he didn't want to do the show. And because they wanted to shoot it in the studio and I wanted to shoot it on location. So they made it my show. So then Aegon came on as my host and I had arranged for Pan Am to be my sponsor. So we got to travel all over the world. They give me stacks of free tickets. You want to go to Paris? Let's go for lunch. We get on the plane, go wherever we want it.

And this whole time that you're having all this fun, you are a single woman. Are you dating? Are you serious about anybody? What's your romantic history? My romantic is how I was married and divorced twice to the same person. Why?

What happened there? Well, I married him for the wrong reasons. I was from the generation that she graduated school and got married. And so all my girlfriends were married and my mother was giving me like, because you're gonna end up as an old maid and nobody's gonna want to be with you. And you're already 21 years old and you're not married.

So she talked me into marrying somebody that I really didn't like. But once I was married, I really sort of enjoyed being married until I caught my husband cheating on me. Who did he cheat with? Everyone. It seems like one night somebody called me.

I was at the Lua, which was on rodeo drive. They said, you know, your husband's sitting at the table with a girl. So I got my Jaguar. I drove over to the, drove over to the restaurant, took the whole table. First I double slapped her in the face. I turned over the whole table.

Oh, before Teresa ever did it. You were flipping the table. Oh, honey. I flipped it right over and then I walked out. And then he convinced me to go back to go back with him again. And then I caught him cheating on me again. So I got in the car. I took this shotgun and I drove over to this. You had a shotgun in New York?

No, this is out. I was living in Beverly Hills. Oh, but still you had a shotgun of Beverly Hills, okay? Yeah, he used to go skiing and trap shooting. I'm actually a Hills. But still, you got a shotgun of Beverly Hills, okay? Yeah, okay. You used to go ski and trap shooting. I'm a marksman. Oh. I hold championships and handgun shooting.

Watch out. All right. Good for you. All right. Okay. And those days, those were NRA events, they were the Charlottes, Heston, celebrity, ski and trap shooting and everything. I learned how to shoot as a young girl, so watch out.

Okay, so you're like, Beverly Hills, you grabbed the gun and where is he in the next? He's with this girl. Yes. And it was like a, up on right off the sunset. I waited there for about 20 minutes. I thought, you know, this is too boring for words. The file for divorce. That was the end of that. I have a, I have a craze, a weird question. Now, what year was that? This, so I got the, so I was So I was divorced twice by 1965. What were people using for birth control back then? Because I'm always like, how were people like screwing

a bunch of people and not getting pregnant? They had condoms in those days. I mean, this is not the digm-dark gauges. Okay, so, Kahn was good enough. Well, I guess so. Because the pill wasn't around yet, or was it? No, the pill was around, actually. Okay, all right.

And diaphragms were around, I mean, I'm old, but I'm not that old. Well, I just didn't know, like... The twin stones had to die, you know, you used a diaphragm. Can we give me a break here? I just didn't know when you could just freely, like, bone so much. And it not be a problem.

I was never promiscuous. Actually, I didn't sleep with as many great people as I should have. Yeah, I'm glad you said to me that I should write a book with naming all the famous people that I slept with. So I said, it's more like a pamphlet. Yeah. I missed the opportunity with a lot of big names.

Who was some people you missed the opportunity with? With Warren Beatty, because they used to call me and say, come on over and get in bed with us and everything, of course, I was like, what? Oh, with a threesome? Yeah. When he was married to a new... No, honey, this is like the dim dark ages.

We're talking about in the 60s. Oh, before a netbedding. Way before a netbedding. Okay. A lot of guys, I mean, I didn't sleep with George Hamilton. But then I'm friendly with all of them now. It's probably a good thing I didn't sleep with. Yeah. I was never promiscuous.

And then what happened was, so after I got divorced and I was a stockbroker, so when I was a stockbroker, there were like a lot of really cool guys around. Actually, there were great guys then. Then when I started the television show and everything was coming from Studio 54 and everything was gay, when I should have been in the Hampton's looking for a husband, I was dancing with the drag queens in Fire Island. So I missed my window of opportunity. So being that you were one of, you know,

now I feel like, you know, we all have gay best friends. But in your day, you're, that was more of a rare situation that you were hanging out with all the gays. I didn't have any gay friends until Studio 54 right around that time opened, and then everybody was gay. Did you see Drew Brayermort, nine years old, parting at Studio 54?

I loved Drew, I've known Drew since she was a baby. Well, I know Drew, that Studio 54, which was nine. Well, that's the time I say start them young. You know, Brooke Shields was there when she was young. You gotta go to nightclubs when you're young. You know, what are you gonna wait to your 80? So I went to nightclubs when I was six years old. My parents took me to nightclubs all the time in Chicago.

I used to be the shapeery. I saw my first nightclub act that I saw was Carmen Moran and Jimmy Duranty. Well, how do you feel about, you know, there was some talk, did Crimp Cardassians daughter North, who's only, I believe, like, 10. They thought she went to the Met Ball, but...

Yeah, I hope so. Why not? I say seize the moment, start them young. Okay. I started when I was six years old going to nightclubs. Then here I am, I'm still going to nightclubs. Now, what about all the crazy drugs and everything? What was your experience with that? I never did drugs. I was having this conversation yesterday. I can't believe that I never did

any drugs. When I was very young, I had a friend of mine that committed suicide because he was addicted to cocaine. I never even heard of cocaine. And it like blew me away to the point that I never, ever, ever tried it. There's a very famous picture of me. I'm standing on the dance floor at Studio 54 like this in the caption reads, I never saw anybody doing drugs at Studio 54 and there's two guy with coax spoons in their nose right under my arm. I was oblivious to it. I went to dance and have a good time. Well, I never did drugs. Speaking of cocaine, I've never done cocaine either.

Goodbye. And I don't think I missed anything. And I kind of had the same experience as you as like, when I was growing up, there were all these movies in the 80s about, and cocaine would almost, there was like cocaine-themed movies that the being character was cocaine and how glamorous it was and nightclubs and then

by the third act. Who was with that? Oh, God, less than zero than zero bright lights big city. There were tons and I loved them because it was always rich and glamorous people. Even Wall Street had like a cocaine storyline. Yeah. And then by the third act of the movie, you know, the person's life is off because they did cocaine right. And so I thought, you know, anything that's going to

make me curb my appetite and wanna talk about myself all night. It's gonna be the drug for me. No, it's gonna be the drug for me. So I was like, I better never try it because pot didn't interest me, but I'm like, that cocaine, that's like glamorous and sexy. But one thing I've also noticed throughout my life,

the same reason you said, I never saw and do drugs, throughout my life, the same reason you said I never saw in do drugs, throughout my life, because cocaine has made it come back and stuff. I didn't know it ever went away. I think it kind of was a little bit less popular and it became popular again, like maybe like seven, eight years ago, where all people my age,

now their kids were a little older and they were starting to have the freedom to go out again. And I was hearing that coke was making it come back. my age, now the kids were a little older and they were starting to have the freedom to go out again and I was hearing that Coke was making it come back. And I think that if you don't participate in the Coke, the people that might be your friend know that and they're like a little bit shameful about it. And so even though you're like, I wouldn't judge you,

I don't care, do a line in front of me. I don't want it, but I don't care. It doesn't matter, they won't, they will not show them doing it in front of you if you're not a user. And so that's why I've never lit. I've literally never seen anyone that have gone out with do it. And I know that they do it. If there was something where you could go back in time, right? But you're just yourself. You know everything from today. Is there a time that you're like, you know what? I would like to go back to that era. I liked the fashion.

I thought the world was a better. The 80s. The 80s was your favorite. Well, the 80s was the last age of innocence. You know, it had the greatest artists. You know, Andy, all these famous, basket, I, all these artists. They had these famous singers.-eye, all these artists, they had these famous singers, everything with fashion was extraordinary.

Now there's nothing. There's a beret, like, there's no famous artist anymore. They're all left over, not left over, but they're all part of the 80s, you know, whether, those are the stars of the day. We have no new stars. The singing, there's no great singers out there now. There's no Frank Sinatra.

There's no great female vocalists or male vocalists. There's not even any groups anymore. There's nothing. People are out there. It's such a horrible time. And, you know, music, music has always moved the generations. Like, after World War I, it was the jitterbug, it was the Charles, there's always music and dance

that motivates each generation. There's nothing now. There's no clubs to go to. There's no place to go. People are looking at each other, should we go out? Where are we gonna go? Well, I don't wanna go there. And there has to be a resurgence of an energy

for the younger population, because there's nothing for them to do. And there has to be a resurgence of an energy for the younger population because there's nothing for them to do. Speaking of music in the 80s, do you think Michael Jackson was a pedophile? First of all, Michael Jackson was a friend of mine. I know, I'm just asking. Yes, I do think he was a pedophile. Actually, unfortunately, I saw it very early on when I gave the party

at Studio 54 and he came with, with manual Lewis. Yes. Yes. Webster. Yep. Bouts that I'm on his, on his leg, you know, it was very obvious. It was, you know, and then, and then I'll tell you a really terrible story. Yes. Came to a party. This is maybe six months before the shit hit the fan. Which time it kissed the fan? The last time. The last time.

And he had all these kids with him. Now the first food, all the other. So it wasn't a father yet. Or was it a father? The kids, the kids were with him. Oh, those were the kids with him. Okay. His own kids.

No, his own kids weren't with him. But he had a bunch of kids. Okay. And he had a bunch of young kids with him. Oh, those were the kids with him. Okay, his own kids. No, his own kids weren't with him, but he had a bunch of kids. Okay. So young kids with him. And there was his kid sitting on his lap, had a little suit on, a little hat, you know. And there was a woman sitting over on the side. I said, who are you? She goes, oh, I'm the mother. I'm his mother, this little kid's mother. And she was with her daughter. I said, and where do you live? She said, I live at Netherland. Did you live at Netherland? So I went up to my friend who was very close.

I said, be careful, this woman. There's going to be a problem. And three months later, this kid was the one that came in. And the mother was, well, it was a very slippery slope. Well, I think too friendly. But I mean, do you think two things from me, true at the same time? Yes, she probably was somewhat of a wear, almost pimping out her son. Yes, the son most likely was a victim as well.

Absolutely. Oh, absolutely. I mean, I, and you know, was interesting because when the play opened, you know, when MJ opened on on Broadway, right, I have a lot of friends that put money into the into Broadway and then that movie came out Leaving Neverland right before the play was gonna come out right right before this So when I went opening night there were a lot of people saying why are you going to a play for a pedophile and everything like that? And I actually Paris was was there, Paris Jackson. And she was in tears, in tears when she saw the protest,

the protest was there, okay. And after the play, because they really don't touch on that at all in the play, you know, they're little nuances, but they stopped before that happened. And I thought to myself, wow, I don't know how, how is this gonna be received, huge hit? His musical lip forever. Boy, the show's not still going on, is it?

Oh, of course it's not bad. Yes, still Broadway. It's gonna be traveling all over the world. Okay. So I'm saying, outside of the United States, he's the biggest selling entertainer there is. Did you ever believe that he really was dating Brooke Shields? Um, because I didn't even as a kid, I didn't know.

Yeah, I didn't really, I didn't miss out. Even when it was like Mary, he was married. Even when he was singing Billie Jean is not my lover. I was like, 12 and was like, yeah, I know she's not because you're gay. Like, what about the fact that he married Michelle Epressley? I think he might have been, I definitely think he had body dysmorphia.

And I think he was trying to make himself into look like a woman. I don't know that he wanted to be a woman, but he wanted that perfect face. He had like the plastic surgery disease, whatever, that he kept getting work done to look like a woman. I was like, come on. He wouldn't be the first one.

No. You know. But I'm saying, he was so talented. And I mean, he had a terrible childhood. Yes. And the first time I met him, I had done a dinner for you, a Brenner, when he came to Broadway the last time when he did a TNI. And he came to Broadway the last time when he did

K&I. K&I. And he and Michael Jackson were best friends because I gathered that during their time on the road, you know, with Michael performing and with the, you know, that they became great friends. And this was at the exact same time when they were launching Thriller. So everybody said, you know, Michael Jackson is coming to the party and Michael Jackson is coming to the party.

Well, if you've given parties, you know, the Jackson's coming to the party and Michael Jackson's coming to the party Well, if you've given parties, you know the last thing you're gonna tell anybody is that Michael Jackson is coming Because if he doesn't come then then then the party sucks then there's like how could you not you know So he went I knew he was coming that afternoon because they gave me a whole list of juices They had to get from this stand and that stand I had it all the candid when he came in and said, I was shocked when he came in. You mean, juices to drink? Yeah, he was, you know, had orange juice from this place. Yeah.

I wasn't going to put, I mean, I had the whole set done like the king and I, I'm not going to put cartons of, you know, orange juice on the table. So when he walked in, I had everything decanted in the, in the, the, the, and then we, we, he had, it just launched Thr, and he had the video. You know, nobody had videos in those days. We went up on the bridge of Studio 54 and they dropped the thing and they showed Thriller. I thought the people were gonna tear their hair out.

It was really one of the most exciting evenings I ever spent. Right. You know, just launching that part of the launch of Thriller. Well, I know I remember that. Now, what do you think killed Epstein? I think somebody killed Epstein. I would bet all the money on the fact

that he did not commit suicide. I knew him. All right, I wasn't a close friend of his. Actually, so bizarre. In the documentary, in the documentary, maybe I took one picture with him my entire life. It's in the documentary. Right. So he lived around the corner from, you know, oh, you were friendly with me.

He lived right around the corner for me on 67th Street in New York, in New York. And I met him right at the beginning when he first went to work for Leslie Wexner. Do you think they were lovers together? Yes. I mean, I don't know for that, but you don't actually give somebody a $62 million townhouse because they're a good dancer. Right. And it gave him power of attorney over everything. Right. It was in charge of everything. But so when I'm doing...

I think they were lovers and he delivered sexual children to him or just they were living together. Who knows? So you never went to the island. When I met him, I didn't really like him. I thought he was very good looking. I have to say. And he, the only three things he ever told me, that he was a concert pianist, that he was a, I don't know what you call it, he was a corporate spy. He would go to work for these big corporations, finding out people were stealing money inside the corporation. And some of the stuff Melcy told me.

And one night I was invited, this friend of mine gave this big charity event every year. And for some reason, he asked me if he could go with me to this event. So I took him to the event, and about 20 says, he says, well, I have to leave. So what do you mean you have to leave? He said, well, just look at it as if I'm a doctor and I have to go make a house call. I said, well, why did you come? I said, I could have invited someone else.

And the next day he sent me flowers, but I never spoke to him again. He was not my favorite. But the pedophile thing didn't have to. What about Gislaen, ever hang out with that girl. I never met her. I mean, I just she must have been totally mesmerized by him. Yeah, because she wasn't a dumb woman.

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And then he had like day camp, you know, he went in for 10 minutes a day. And then he, Well, I feel like the media put it out like, yes, he had, they called him underage girls who are prostitutes. Is the way I feel like it was fed to us. So you were like, make it right? No, but I think back then, we didn't ask the questions.

And of course they weren't close to you. They were like 14. Well, they did, they made, I'm just saying the defense and everything made it sound like yes, he did participate with girls that were not 18 but they were very close to being 18 and then and then for some reason that didn't the public didn't really ask the questions and then he went to the day camp and then he got out. I think what happened is when the first thing happened

and happened in Palm Beach. Right. And I think they sort of smushed it over and it was like fell by the wayside and there was sort of a little nuance that there was, he was a pedophile or he would not a pedophile, that he was, it was trafficking girls. Yeah. You know, like, but in his mind, he was like taking them on a vacation. Right.

You know, I'm saying, oh, I'll take a modification down to my island. I mean, sure, I'm sure in his mind, he wasn't sex trafficking them, you know what I'm saying? But then when the whole thing came out, you knew what he was doing. You know, he had scouts out all over the place. And she must be the dumbest woman that ever lived to have gone through what she went through for no reason. For what? She's the only one left.

She's the only person that's doing any time for all these crimes is a woman. Not one other man that obviously participated in the sex trafficking ring that went to the island that obviously he must have black. I think that's how he got a lot of money too, as I think he would invite girl, he'd invite these rich guys over. I think these girls would participate. And then the next morning he'd be like, here's a video. Yeah, here's a video that with you in a 15 year old,

I don't know, give me 15 million. I don't even think they have to do that. I don't even think he blackmailed them. I don't think he blackmailed the people. It was like a cult kind of a thing, I think. But who knows? But I put a million dollars down that he did not kill himself. Because he was such an egomaniac.

And he always felt that he could get out of everything. Well he got out the last time and hello somebody tried to strangle him about three days before and they put him in a cell that there were no cameras there was no protection and he just had died. Well they gave him like 17 sheets and then both the people fell asleep during that exact time. Yeah, they were like not there. Both the officers. You know, I mean, and they never really held them accountable.

No. Did they ask them a question, oh, you know, I was sleeping. Well, like you kind of wonder, what are those people up to? Like, where they must have been? They must have gotten paid off. Yes, they must have gotten paid off. I mean, if you want to kill somebody, the best place to put them is in jail. Yeah. You know, what a easier to put them is in jail. Yeah.

You know, what a easier way to get rid of somebody. Right. I mean, they're all killers there. Everybody's suspect. True. But I think it's another mystery that will go unsolved is his death. Right. Because I'm surprised they haven't come after her. I would think her I wonder if they

did come after or she's doing time. So I'm talking about her doing after her in jail. Oh yeah well she has some weird interview. I don't know. It's very weird why it's not getting talked about. Obviously they've covered it up. They're such powerful people involved that the story just doesn't get out because it's so many tentacles of like, who knows? You never know. We live in very, very desperate times.

And I would think that her life would be in danger. She's the only one that knows, she's got the copy of everything. She knows where all the bodies are buried. She hasn't spoken at all. But she's also, I mean, that's what it's interesting because she's got nothing to gain by telling because she's still going to do her time. The time to have told would have been before the trial and tried to do a deal. And she's got, but she also, what she has to lose is that if she does tell she will get killed,

so unless she wants to get killed, she probably should tell. But I mean, I think that somebody would kill her just in the anticipation that she might tell. Right, because it might be better than tell. She's saying there's another 45 years, I don't think that's gonna work. Could you, could you remember something to tell you? Yeah.

And don't forget a lot of the people, most of the people that were a part of this thing are still alive. Right. It's not like Kennedy, where everybody's dead. Yeah. I'm saying that's an old story. Marilyn Monroe, everybody's dead. So it's all hearsay.

This is people that were actually there. Who do you think killed Natalie Wood? I definitely do not think that Robert Wagner killed Natalie Wood. I think that Natalie Wood was drunk. She had on a down jacket. She didn't have on a light preserver. I think she's got up on the boat and she fell off. I totally agree. I think she was drunk.

And I think she was pissed. And she was pissed with the two of them that are husband and- That are playing cards. Yeah. They weren't paying any attention to her. Or he was sleeping with that other guy. You know, could have been who knows.

You know, I know Robert Wagner so well, I can't even begin to tell you. I can't even begin to tell you what an amazing, wonderful, kind man, how his children love him. He just doesn't even have an edge. I mean, there's nothing that I've never, it just seems so strange.

I think she was pissed that he, he might have already been asleep, whatever. Who knows? She went out to get in the little dinghy because she was like, through you, I hate you, I'm gonna go drive the dinghy to the shore. Sure. She were already on the shore, by the way. They were docked in the shore. Right. But she needed a dinghy somewhere. She needed a dinghy to the shore. She was already on the shore, by the way.

They were docked in the shore. Right. But she needed a dinghy somewhere. She needed a dinghy. I think she fell off. She was drunk and she fell in the water. She sure she fell off in the water. And you would have never heard that.

The only thing that does bother me is that they never ever, when they found out she was gone, they never called the Coast Guard. Yeah. And they never turned the lights on on the boat. That I find suspect. Right. And that, you know. And what about John Bennick?

I am still, they've got new information now. They finally found, because all the people that were working there were really corrupt. And they have- In Colorado. Yeah. And I think now, I saw something recently that they found the DNA and that they put it through the database. And I think they're on the case now.

I think it must have been a neighbor. I mean, for a while they tried to push the story that the son did it. Right. Because she ate his pineapple. You know, and I kind of thought that could be. I did for a while. I was like, I could see it and I could almost see that the kid Has been fed a narrative and maybe doesn't even remember what the real story is anymore and the parents were

Protecting the one son they had from like something that you know It happens so long ago everything is it's like oh J. So yeah, you know if they if it were today With the DNA the way they have it have it, he would have been convicted in a hard period. Oh, you think, oh, Jay, did it. Of course. Do you think you did it alone? Yes.

I was with him the night before the murder. And? And you guys do. Actually, we were at a black tight dinner at my girlfriend Diana Ellis's house. And it was from Madame Sedot, Madame Hussein, and it was for Kirk Douglas, it was honoring Kirk Douglas. And he was just sitting next to me. I mean, a friend of mine, we're not joined at the hip or anything.

And I gave a party, there was a New Year's Eve party that he was, that they got in a big fight after the New Year, it was New Year's Eve and then she called the police. That was the incriminating evidence that they went out and got them originally. That was a party that I gave with Richard Perry. Was that night? Richard Perry, the guy that ran the music. Yeah. I went on a date with Richard Perry.

Did he think he did it? No, but my friend, my friend, I set up my friend with Bill Marr and she was like, you should go out with this guy's you know older and wealthy and this and stuff and I was just like no and she was like Heather You know you're crazy and then I and then I saw that two other parties after that once when I was a mom he was friends with somebody and then another time when he was dating Jane Fonda right. Yeah, so we used to give a New Year's Eve party, like an after the party party. Yeah. And he was at, actually, even have a picture of it.

He was with Nicole. Richard Perrard was with Nicole. No, no, no. Oh, Jane was with Nicole. At the party. Right. And they had gotten in a fight. And she called the police.

Oh, that was the night. That was the New Year's Eve night. Right. That she then she put those photos and called the police. Oh, that was the night. That was the New Year's Eve night. Right. That she then she put those photos and called the police. Right. And when... I went to she was at the green street on, yeah,

I remember that. So when she died, okay. Actually, what happened was on a Saturday night that I saw him. Sunday was when she got murdered. Right, the recital and everything Sunday, yeah. I left for New York that Sunday night. And ironically enough, Monday night,

I was having dinner with OJ's agent. His name was Jack Jalardi. Yeah. And we were at Elaine's in New York. And we got a call for Jack got a call saying, you know, they're looking for OJ, because he had gotten on a plane. Right.

Took it to Chicago. Right. And he left. And so they were calling him, asking him if he knew how to get a hold of OJ, and they're saying, can you imagine that they think that, you know, OJ killed, you know, Nicole. So I was very sort of in that whole. And what did you think that, what was your thought at first? When he did it? No way he could have done it. Yeah.

And there was no way he could have done it. Well, I lived in Brentwood and I would see Nicole's car late for a date with the personalized license played a white Ferrari. And you know, I go to the same Starbucks and see her. And I knew the guys that were friends with Ron Goldman, I would go to Mezzaloon and everything. So I remember I was in Woodland Hills

and I saw the news break. And I'm going home, my parents lived in Woodland Hills. I was going home to Brentwood where I lived. And yeah, definitely my first thought was, oh my God, some crazed person is running around doing this crime But then of course shortly after then throughout the whole trial. I definitely thought he did it But you he got off. Yeah, but that would never have happened today because all of the forensic

Blood that they got and the glove thing was the biggest portion They he put rubber gloves on before he put on gloves. It was soaked in blood There was no way he could have ever gotten ahead of him. Right. I mean, the whole thing was just... Well, the prosecution just screwed up. And they also, the biggest mistake she made, Marcia Clark, was not being more particular about the jury and believing that, you know, because she had put away so many men that hurt women, domestic violence as prosecutor, she thought a female jury will completely be on my side and be against anybody that

puts a hand on a woman. But she didn't think of the fact that demographically and race wise that jury's opinion even though their women might feel very differently if it's a black man who was married to a white woman and that's exactly what happened. And dart and screwed up. They are totally, I mean, the gloves, the glove thing was the worst. The worst ever. Yeah.

He went like this. Ugh. Ugh. I was trying to pull on the glove. Yeah. Yeah. I remember it the glove. Yeah. I remember it vividly. Right.

There's a lot of injustices in this world when the world we live in. So how did you end up back in LA after the Studio 54 life? So when I had my television show, so the show went off the air in 1985. And that's when the StarCaps started. Now explain what the StarCaps are. StarCaps was the world's greatest product ever on the history of the world. It was a natural diuretic made out of papaya and garlic enzymes. So somebody came to me with this product and I started, I mean, it was a complicated,

it was $100 as a bottle. I could put it was a complicated, it was $100 a bottle. I could put it in every store, every drug store, I put it in. So what was the deal? You take the pill and it would make you... It completely flushed everything out of your system. It was a diuretic, but it broke up the fat in your system. It wasn't an anphetamine of any kind.

And you could lose five, six pounds in two days with a pill without any problem. So I started this company. I started with 25 bottles. And I made millions and millions of dollars with it. And I had billboards all over sunset. Bull of it. I remember seeing that.

Billboards were the greatest. And this is the same time that Angelene has all the bills. She had them on before me. And she was a hooker. And unfortunately, I didn't get any offers. I was outside of people wanting to buy my product. Okay. But I, I would, I was a general nutrition center.

So I convinced them that I wanted to get this one billboard on sunset. And I put the billboard up in those days they used to do them in panels. So what happened to the StarCrafts? So on top of everything else, I'm watching television one night, and I see this sports reporter is holding up a bottle of Starcaps saying that all these football players were caught taking Starcaps.

See what happened was, all these football players take steroids. Right. So the only way that they could get the steroids out of the system was to use the Starcaps. Got it. Because it was a natural diuretic. Okay. So the only way that they could get the steroids out of the system was to use the star caps. Got it because it was a natural Diuretic, okay, and it flushed it out of their system. So what they would do is the game is over on Sunday. They start taking the steroids. Okay, by Tuesday they started taking star caps. So when they got caught they blame the star caps. They blamed the starcaps. They said it was the starcaps, not that they took steroids. Well, there's no reason for them to take steroids

unless they took the starcaps to get rid of them. So I ended up in a lawsuit with nine teams. Okay. So you sued them or they sued you? They sued me. They said it was my fault. You know, you have to, anybody can sue anybody for anything. Right. I know.

So I had a $30 million insurance, anybody can sue anybody for anything. Right. I know. So I had a $30 million insurance, but nobody got sick and nobody got hurt, so nobody insured me. I would have had a sue nine different teams separately. They put me into bankruptcy. I had a file personal and corporate bankruptcy. Then they came in and I had $17 million worth of product that I had to destroy. Plus they, I went to court, I was like,

my attorney said, whatever you do, don't cry. I was like hysterical. I knew nothing about it. There was nothing ever wrong with the star caps. They sued me and they went up to NFL Heaven and that was that, and they completely destroyed my life. I remember, so what was like the last year that anybody could get one?

Like 2009. Okay, so I remember the woman I worked for at the time, everyone could figure it out who it was. She was like, you gotta get me the... They're going out, you get me as many as you can. They used to come over to my house with rolls of hundreds. Yeah. But then the problem was I put all the product in storage,

and then I had to destroy $17 million with a product. How did they know that you were destroying it? I had a person come there, it was so complicated, I can't tell you. Plus they charged me money on top of that. Plus they charged, I mean, it was like, they totally destroyed it. Do you have any just hidden away at your house?

I got a couple stashed away. I took one the other day, actually. I would love to try what? There, I could sell them for $1,000 a piece, but I only have about a half a dozen of them. I saved them for big events. They're the best. There's nothing to fight against. Well, why can't someone recreate the formula a little bit

and just say add a little B12 or something? Because I would never do another ingestible. You never know. God forbid, people are crazy. I was very lucky. Nobody ever got sick. Nobody ever got damaged. You know, people, you know, you know,

it's true, Mokopodi swallowed the top of his pill bottle. That's how he died. People can sue you for anything. I'm very lucky. What do you mean the top of his pill bottle? That's how he died. He took his pills and he had the top of the bottle in his hand and he swallowed it.

You took so many pills and the top went down. Right. Oh. So you don't know, people can sue you for anything. You know, how do you feel about the ozempic craze and everything going on with that? I'm the first person to say anything you have to do to lose weight, you lose weight.

But that's good. You know, it's tough to lose weight. I mean, I wrote two books on dieting. You know, and I mean, I've been on a diet since the day I was born. I was born on a diet. So I mean, everything I eat, everything I do, I mean, I watch everything I eat. People are brought up that way anyway.

Where pizza pasta, candy, society, I watch, I don't eat anything fattening. But I'm a cookie candy, I scream person. I like sweets. I, I don't know, being at a party in the Hamptons and this woman was like late 60s and just very thin, flatest stomach, no pooch, nothing. And I go, you look so amazing. How do you do it? And she's like, I've been starving for 65 years.

Yes, it's a good thing. You feel like you've been starving. Like don't get to indulge. No, because first of all, I only eat fish or an assaulid or fish and asparagus. Yes, as a giant. You feel like you've been starving. No. Like, don't get too indulged. No. Because first of all, I only eat fish, or an assailed, or fish, and asparagus. I make myself a smoothie in the morning. I try to eat very little for lunch, because, you know, I'm very small. A thousand calories a day, I'm almost too much.

Mm-hmm. Okay. I watch everything I eat, and people have to do that, because we're now in a position where 99% of the people are obese Yeah, the only society in the world the United States You don't see it in Europe you go out of out of Beverly Hills Everybody weighs you know three hundred four hundred pounds And it's it's it's bad for your heart. It's bad for your blood

I mean, it's there's nothing worse Obesities the number one killer in the United States. Right. So you live in Beverly Hills now? I live on Walshable. I live in the Walshac corridor. Okay. Beverly Glen and Walshure.

So, now I want to ask you about the last time you were a Bridesmaid. The last time I was a Bridesmaid. Wasn't it? I'm big in the Bridesmaid department. I've been a lot of Bridesmaid in a lot of Br bridesmen. Well, I'm referring to the wedding you told me about when Ivanka Trump married the Italian guy. Oh, Ivana. Ivana. Sorry, Ivana Trouville. Oh, Ivana, her last marriage. Oh, yes. She got married at Mar-a-Lago. Yes. And Donald was there. And everybody wore pastels. All the girls

wore pastel dresses and all the men wore white suits. And up until five minutes before they got married, I didn't think they were gonna get married. And the whole week prior to that, I was staying with Yvonne at her house. And they fought every minute of every day about the wedding, about this, about that. And for every five seconds entertainment tonight,

we'll call and say, hi, is everything okay? Because they paid like a fortune to cover this wedding. And it was, I don't know how they ever made it down the altar, it was just disastrous. And how did she meet this guy? And what was the age difference in stuff? Well, he actually a friend of ours introduced her to him. I remember the first time I met him,

we were at a costume party and he just dressed like a pirate which was perfect. Yeah. He was a pirate which was perfect. Yeah, he was a pirate He was and the wedding and they so he got up and you know and saying a medley of his hits for her It was terrible singer, but he had hits no, I'm being Fissile and then the kids got up and Ivanka and Donnie and Eric and Donnie Jr said you, we want to wish you all the happiness and health in the world.

But we just want you to know, you know, we're in the construction business. And you better be careful. Because if anything happens to our mother, he said, just remember, I have a 45 in my pocket. He says that out was he. What he said it. Donnie?

Yeah. He was married and had kids. Oh, he said that at the wedding. OK. He said, I just remember I have a 45. What do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say, what do you say like how did they meet? So it was like a kind of a gold digging dude. Got it. Okay. Meter was running. Yeah. And what was their age difference? You know, Nivani used to say, I'd rather be a nurse made than a babysitter. She doesn't like old guys. You mean she'd rather be a babysitter than a nurse made. Sorry about that guys. Yeah. But you know, Yvana was much younger. You know know, Ivano was in her 60s when she married him Yeah, maybe he was 20 years younger 18 years younger, but Joan Oh 23 or eight shit for the day. So call me a liar for three years. No, we're not going to

Joan Collins's husband's 38 years younger than she is yeah, and actually He's gotten to the point now. He's actually looking a little bit older than she has. He's sort of aged. Yeah. You know, and I mean, at the time I was dating someone in the list in his room, early 20s. Great. Good for you. Why not?

Why not? Why not? So I've always had a lot of cute young handsome boyfriends. I walked into a party recently, and this woman, and I was had like a hat on and sunglasses, and my son is 6'4 and 20 and he had hat and sunglasses. And I walked in and I go, oh, hi, and my husband hadn't even arrived yet.

And the woman goes, oh, is this your boyfriend? And I was like, Dreck, I was so happy, you know, that someone thought that. But it was because she had quite a younger boyfriend. So I was like, good, let this trend move on. Yeah, I think it's great. I remember I used to take him shopping. They'd say your son is in the dressing room. I'd say no, he's my boyfriend. Yeah. Well, now they'll now they say, now they say my son, they think is my boyfriend. That's cool. So thanks to women like you and I, and I've on it. Well, Nikki, this was so juicy,

and I just, you know, could talk to you forever. Tell me where they can follow you. And I'm a great advice and juicy story. So I mean, I'm on, I'm on Instagram and TikTok, Big Nick B.H. and Facebook, I'm at Nikki Haskell. And I love you to follow me. I follow everybody back, or most people.

And I'm really enjoying what I love you. Follow me. I follow everybody back or most people and I'm really enjoying what I'm doing. To me, it's giving me a whole new lease on connecting with a younger generation. So let me know if you like it. And if I ever nominated for anything or had the biggest night of my life, can I call you and get one of those star caps if I just am really to play a card. And the like the zipper isn't going up. Play your cards right you never know. Okay. Thanks. I can't guarantee you. Okay. But there's a possibility. All right. Thanks.