Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Members Only Palm Beach! Kylie and Timothee Chalamet’s Future

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Happy New Year! I share about attending a celebrity wedding and a premier party for Netflix hit show “Member’s Only Palm Beach”. I interview my friend and star from this most talked about reality show, Hilary Musser. She shares about each of her 5 husbands and how she was cast on the show. She explains the difference between Palm Beach and West Palm Beach and how it’s changed. We get into her feelings toward her cast mates and the Mara Largo of it all. I also cover the RHSLC doc “The Cult of Mary Cosby”. Timothee Chalamet publicly declared his love for Kylie Jenner. And is Kyle Richards moving to Nashville? -For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to https://hungryroot.com/juicyscoop  and use code juicyscoop -Use code JUICYSCOOP at https://jonesroadbeauty.com to get a Free Cool Gloss with your first purchase! #JonesRoadBeauty #ad  -Take proactive care of your health and head to https://OPositiv.com/JUICYSCOOP  or enter JUICYSCOOP at checkout for 25% off your first purchase.  -Go to https://RO.CO/JUICYSCOOP  for your free insurance check to see if your insurance covers GLP-1s Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hannah McDonald's Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Welcome to 2026. We have so much to cover. I hope you all had a great holiday season. I did do episodes on my Patreon in which I covered my holiday. my holidays, my Christmas, what I did, more details on this celebrity wedding, which I'll get into in a minute that I attended, and so much fun. So that's all on Patreon. You got to

Heather MacDonald.com. You click on Patreon. You join that. Dropped a bunch of episodes over the holidays there that are all the juiciest stuff. But for you right now, we have got it going on. Okay. So let's get into it. So yes, I went to a New Year's Eve wedding. And, it was technically not in Palm Beach, and that's very important because there's a new show on Netflix called Members Only Palm Beach, or Palm Beach members only on Netflix, which I believe is Netflix's first attempt to kind of get into the Real Housewives world without saying Real Housewives. So, but it's the way they do the Netflix shows is kind of like owning Manhattan and all the selling sunsets. It's a little more glossy. It has that all those

kind of songs like, yeah, I'm a gold digger. That's what I do. I got my yacht and everyone poo, you know, whatever, those dumb songs. And so, but this glossy and it's fun and it premiered just like last week in that kind of dead week of where you're like, what day is it? And what am I doing? And the kids aren't back in school yet. Do I take down the tree or do I just sit here and binge members only on Netflix? So I have a very special guest from the show. that we're going to interview her, and you're going to hear that on this episode later after I get through some updates and hot topics. But the show is ridiculous. It's addictive. It's funny. It's real estate porn. It's beautiful. But one of the things, which I will be talking to my guest,

Hillary, about, is the Palm Beach versus West Palm Beach and not everybody lives in Palm Beach. And I don't really get why that's such a big deal when we've been watching Real Housewives shows For years when Kim Richards, in the beginning of Real House, was Beverly Hills, lived in Westlake Village in a rental. Doreet and Kyle owned in Encino. These are not Beverly Hills homes. So I think it's just, you know, they're just trying to give you something entertaining,

and I believe this show is. These people don't totally match up. They don't all seem like they would ever really be friends and hang out. I don't know if it's coming for a second season. maybe Hillary will know, and would they recast anybody? But, you know, in My Juicy Scoop-obsessed private Facebook page, people really were into it. You can criticize it, but they watched it. And it's better that it's a rage bait show that gets people to watch and binge the whole thing

than if it was so boring, you didn't bother to watch at all, like Megan Markle and Harry's series about hot polo players living in Santa Barbara. You're like, what? there was a show like that yeah it was on netflix nobody watched it nobody cared i tried it just didn't catch me and so this did and and of course it's you know somewhat controversial and everything which we will get into us so technically i said i was in palm beach for this wedding it was at the beautiful home of rachel you could tell and now her husband dan and they did a beautiful wedding on year's eve in their backyard it was absolutely stunning

I am not really a fan of New Year's Eve. So when I got invited to a New Year's Eve wedding in a warm location, technically Palm Beach adjacent, okay? I had done shows in Palm Beach like a year and a half ago and I absolutely loved it. And I knew that Jill Zarin would be going as well. And she lives over in Boka. So I got to spend time with her on New Year's Day and spent the night. And in my next life, I want Jill Zarin to be my wife. not in a sexual way, just in a way that, like, she made me home-bamed matzabal soup for my slight hangover of New Year's Eve, homemade ice cream, the, the comfiest bed that you've ever gotten into. Like, she's just, she's very much that woman. And even when we went to go play Padell, which is like the new rich person's pickleball, she's filming me being like, look at you, Heather, look at you go. Look, I'm horrible at it. And she's just, so I need her to be my wife slash mother in my next life. But anyway, we had so much fun. And we even went out to dinner one night before the wedding. And I ran into the infamous Harry Dubin, who I had met before when I was

out there a year and a half ago, actually, with Rachel. He was not at the wedding. But the same night that I ran into Ramona Singer, she was at this bar along with Harry Dubin. Then this other night I went out to dinner during this last time, Harry Dubin was there. with another cute blonde woman, he seems to get them all. I also ran into Ramona Singer at the colony and she's like, oh my God, what are you doing here? And she had a new guy. She's a really nice guy. He's really, you know, he was very dressed very nice. We're just going to have a little cocktail before our holiday party for New Year's Eve. Yeah, living in Palm Beach. And so it was so fun and the wedding was absolutely gorgeous. And there's more pictures. Um,

on my Instagram and I think I got a little bit of press this weekend because I went to Hillary's house the day of the premiere of the Netflix show and she had some press there for a little like luncheon premiere party. And then of course Rachel's wedding was in People magazine and stuff like that. So made it very, very fun for me. Okay. So moving on. Oh, so also let's talk about some other New Year's Eve scoop. Alex Earle, who I've spoken many times about, she is just like the number one influencer. She was on dancing with the stars. She really popped a couple years ago. She's very attractive and girls just love her. They love her personality and her style. She broke up with her very cute professional football player boyfriend named

Braxton and found herself at a party in Aspen. I think it was Aspen. Maybe it was St. Barts. I can't keep track of where everybody was. Half the people were in Aspen and the other half were in St. Parts on New Year's Eve that were like big celebrities. Oh, and then there was me, okay, my thing, which I was very thrilled about. But the big stories were coming out of those two places. And Alex Earle and Tom Brady were seen snuggling up, giving each other little like tickle black backcubs or whatever. And people were kind of dying over it because, you know, she broke up with a football player. This is probably his hero. And who, Who knows if it's going anywhere?

I think it was kind of badass that she was flirting with him. I hope it doesn't. He's much too old for her. He has four kids. That's not where a 25-year-old should be headed. But that was fun. There were also in Aspen. So there was a party in Aspen that I believe Kate Hudson through.

And it was, you know, Brooke Nader who's like this new, she has her, her, own series with her model-like sister. She's a model. She has a good personality. She's gorgeous. She was on Dancing with Stars. She and her sisters wanted to be seen. They went out for a New Year's after this party, and they were just wearing body suits and like the Taylor Swift, like, thick, shiny, like roller skating type nylons with just like after ski high boots and like, you know, a jacket. And this is the way, this is the thing to do to get seen like that. Like we're kind of crazy outfit. And the paparazzi, either you call them or you make sure that your weird outfit gets featured. But, you know, they have good bodies. So that was that. But also at this New

Year's Eve party, which I don't know if it's the same one that Kate was throwing. But Kyle, a real housewives of Beverly Hills and Mauricio, who are technically friendly separated, living in two different residences, they got together and they were seen watching a movie together over the holidays. One of their daughters put it on their Instagram, like when your parents are, you know, eating popcorn watching a movie together. So that seemed like a very natural loving thing to do. And then they were seen allegedly getting snugly at this New Year's Eve party. So what is going on there? Well, also the next day I saw in the news that she confirmed Kyle Richards that she bought a house in Tennessee. Well, I believe Morgan Wade being a country singer probably owns a house in Nashville, Tennessee, as well. And as you, if you're watching Real House as Beverly Hills, Kyle has said without saying her name, I had a very significant, um, relationship. I felt hard for this person. She doesn't say he or she, but that person no longer wanted to be in the limelight of this life. And so it wasn't up to me. So, The first speculation is, no, she's not getting back together with her husband, but they have a great friendship or whatever. Or maybe they do have a booty call once in a while.

I don't know. But that a lot of people like buying in Tennessee, I think it's one of those states where you get like a tax break and people love Nashville and a lot of Californians have gone there and it's a fun vibe. And so maybe she wouldn't have a property solely in her name. Maybe this is leading up to a future of doing other documentaries about lesbian country stars, I'm going to make you love my. I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, I think it's smart to kind of plan for a future that might not be you continuing your life on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills as you enter what I like to call like the third or fourth chapter of your life, you know, post like 55-ish. What do you want that world to be? As your kids all get older, as Portia goes off to college, you know, wouldn't it be fun to just live a Nashville late in life lesbian ho-down? I think it could be very nice.

Anyway, so that was Scoop. Okay, so then last night was the Critics Choice Awards and I just saw stuff on the red carpet and I thought this was really fun. So the hacks stars a very funny character of an assistant, an agent's assistant, Megan Stelter, she's hilarious, and who plays her boss is also Paul W. Downs. They showed up wearing the same outfit that Timothy Salome and Kylie Jenner wore to a previous, I think his movie premiere, Marty Supreme is out and it's getting critically acclaimed so much that he did in fact win the Critics Choice Award for it. Kylie was in the audience. And what was juicy is that he, for the first time in winning an award, but maybe he's been nominated and hadn't won it yet. I'm not sure. But he had a lot of,

she went to award ceremonies with him last year, but I think he didn't win. But he got on stage and he said, and to my partner, and it was funny because the camera went to Michael B. Jordan first. And then it went to Kylie's face. For the last three years, I love our foundation and I couldn't do it without you. And then she, like, mouthed, I love you back. And Kylie is just been looking gorgeous forever, and I love her look. And we wondered if this was a real relationship when it started. He said it was three years. A lot of people in the comments were like, wait a minute, I thought her youngest child, her little son, Air, is three.

Then people corrected, no, he's almost four. Shortly after she gave birth, they made it clear that she and Travis, the father of both Erin and Stormy, were no long were not together but considered themselves each other family there was this big vogue um i think it was vogue but they did a big like photo shoot right before the tragedy of astro world happened and then like they scrapped that but people saw the photos and whatever they are not together she has been with timothy it is a real relationship he's acknowledged it on stage of course if he gets the oscar um my friend anna royce but who does an incredible Chris Jenner.

I hope that she is in the audience and can also be acknowledged as the greatest momager in the world. But I think people really like this. And, you know, people speculate, will Timothy and, will Timothy and Kylie get married? What's next?

And, you know, the Kardashian girls are not big on actually getting married. You know, it doesn't seem to work out for them. works out is choosing to have children and just being incredible mothers. How they go about that is, it seems to work out as far as the mothers and choosing some of the fathers that they're in relationships where don't seem to work out. So I don't know. I would, I would assume maybe Kylie would want to have more kids, but then I also see her loving this time in her life and thinking, well, my mom had like two sets of kids with a big break in between.

when she had the four kids with Robert Kardashian, Big Break, and then the two with Jenner herself, and it all worked out. So I think she has plenty of time to think if she wants to have any more kids with anybody else. And they're so young. And this is like a whole new world

for her to enjoy as a partner of a Oscar-winning actor who's only going to have more exciting roles in his future. And being that she's been so successful in her own right, I just love this, and I love that they're out there, but a little more private. They also went to the Palm Springs Festival that was also just the night before.

And they, you know, Kylie has a house, Madison Club, and so they could go there. And it was like, she looked gorgeous. And Leonardo DiCaprio couldn't make that because all these people were stranded in St. Barts because they couldn't fly. they stopped the air, you know, no one could fly in that area because of what was going on in Venezuela. And so these people, including Shep Rose, had to go back or stay at St. Bart's for another night or two and keep the party going with Jeff Bezos and all those St. Bart's people. So, but I heard now they are back. People are, you know, the plastic surgeons have come home. The stars have come

home. Everything can get back to normal now and, you know, in that world, which is kind of funny. But anyway, I loved that they wore the same outfit. First, I thought it was kind of like lame. But then I thought, you know, again, this is a really smart way. If you're going to go to something and you're a comedian, why not you, you're not going to be, no one's going to care if you just look studying. Now, you want enough of those red carpet outfits where you just look stunning. I think if you're truly going to win the Oscar, that's when you have to, when you're nominated like for anything where you will give a memorable speech, don't go goofy, go the most gorgeous, the most classic. I remember Julia Roberts had this like big hair piece and it was just like that's what she

won. She wore like a vintage dress, which was cool. So maybe that's why she wanted like a 1960s like Bufant. But I always thought as your possible one and only Oscar win, you, you, just should have looked classic Julia Roberts. Like you should, it's kind of like your wedding day. Like you want to look good, but you also want to really look like yourself and you kind of want to just have like a really, you know, if you never wear your hair up, I don't think you should wear your hair up on your wedding day. And if you never wear your hair up, I don't think you should wear it when you're possibly accepting the Oscars. So like, but if you're just like going as a fun guest and and your thing is being nominated, but you can have some fun with it. I thought

whose every idea this was, and I assume it was Megan's, to wear the orange outfits was very funny and very clever. This particular dress worn by Cheryl Lee Ralph, star of Abbott Elementary gets nominated every year. I just thought it was a perfect dress. I thought it was perfect for her. I thought it was perfect for a lot of women that have this because I wanted you to see this. It's a great color. It's flattering. on everybody. It has the pockets. It has a lot going on. It has just enough glitter. The color is that great color. It looks great on everybody. It's like a burgundy wine. But then I noticed that she had, or maybe the designer made it, extra burgundy material kind of added to like the part, you know,

when you wear something like this and you're like, I don't like my vagina armpit or I don't like that my back fat is like squirting through. Just added some material to that. And I just think for these big nights, whether it's like your mother of the bride or it's your wedding or whatever, like go see a tailor. If you see a dress you love, get it enough in advance and say like, you know what? I want this part covered. Or could you add a piece of material? It's like if it's off the shoulder, can you add a little more material because my bat wings are showing and I'd like it covered up? I would like a bustle because I have a flat ass. I would like, like you can do this in this day and age and get the best dress for you.

And she looks great. I also saw Miley Cyrus wore a great pantsuit at the Palm Springs International Film Festival. And she is looking really good. I think that she got new teeth. I think she went too big on her teeth and then she returned them and got smaller veneers. And I also think Lisa Vanderpump did that too. And so there's a movement there. But a great pants suit, and especially if you have like booze,

like her kind of far apart and you do a low cut blouse or you know no blouse or whatever that is really sexy so the point as I'm saying 26 dress for your body know what looks good on your body and then go with that even if you admire a look on someone else if that ain't your body don't do it kate hudson great dress this movie that kate hudson is in weird name i know sing-song blue and it looks weird and they have like weird haircuts. Anyway, it's with Hugh Jackman and she, and you know, she has started singing and I guess she sings in this. This is supposed to be a really great movie about a Neil Diamond like cover band, but it's like everyone's saying like it's a surprising, unique story. So that is something I would go to see. I also saw House Maid at the

movie theater with Cindy Sweeney and Amanda Siegfried. And it was very juicy and good, totally up my alley. If you like a psychological thriller that deals with infidelity and like rich people, it's there for the taking. Anyway, this dress for her, fabulous. You know, she has, it was like a low back and she has a great back and it was like a great dress and that's the perfect dress for her. Now, I have talked about fashion predictions and unfortunately many of mine have come true. The sheer dress, the groin vagina cleavage that we've had to see, that like, you know, line between your crotch area and your thigh, that being featured as a type of cleavage that we don't need. Now it's crack cleavage. So there is fashion now saying this is the look. How with a low back, are you ready to show your crack? And I want to say, hopefully this isn't going to catch on because the fashion's last night looked to be, everybody looked really good. I didn't see anything weird or tacky. Now, they are a level of actors that, this isn't, that's not the Grammys. The Critics' Choice is

like, you know, a little bit up there. But anyway, let's hope that that doesn't come true. We talked about Chris Jenner inviting Megan Markle and Harry to her 70th birthday. And then they called the next day and was like, oh, can you remove those photos? Because we don't think we should have been partying when there was like this day of remembrance happening in the UK. Well, word on the street is Chris Jenner and Kim were like, we're never inviting those dorks again because that's the last thing we want

the day after a huge party when we have a team posting shit and getting it together and then we have to go and like delete a photo. No, you don't do that, okay? And also if you've got a photo with any of those people, the Kardashians, you make sure that you get approval before you post. I made that mistake once,

went to a birthday party of Chris Jenner's. We took a bunch of photos. She knew we were taking much photos. It was girls' dinner. That morning, I thought it was a cute photo of her. I posted it. And she did ask me to take it down. I peed a little in my bed.

It was like six of the morning. My heart started to beat. I immediately removed it. And, well, you know where I am now. Okay. this was weird okay this uh i came across this person i was not following her she came through my feet her name's katherine gordon and she just did a photo of these three women and visors playing tennis and wrote mean girls and i wrote are these real women from your tennis group i need to

know more have you heard from them and she just wrote this things like women are toxic and done it and i'm like is this just like a stock photo of like mean tennis girl i mean did you really post, like, women from your tennis group that are not famous? Like, I thought that was so crazy. And also because this week, a story came out about Ashley Tisdale, the, you know, the actress, singer, I really she sings too. Anyway, she opened up about walking away from a toxic mom circle saying the vibe turned fast and left her frozen out. And people went and researched who this mom group was because they all, you know, maybe they go to have kids at the same school, whatever, and they've talked about it like other

people have talked about, oh, I have a great mom's group, and we just came back from Montecito, and we did it, da, da, da, and so they kind of figured out some of the women that are in it, and it involves Hillary Duff and maybe Mandy Moore, I'm not sure. And in the article, I guess, I think there might have been a reference to opening up the phone and seeing that they had a girl's time without her. And she saw it on social media and they did not invite Ashley Tisdale. And this is really hard, no matter how old you are,

whether you're JetX or a millennial mom, it's really hard to think like, why was I left out of that group text and not invited to this thing? And then you're like, well, fuck you. And this is so hurtful, like I've just got to write an article about it. and expose that these people are bitches. But then the other side is like, well, you know, the group got really big and we couldn't

include everybody and it doesn't mean that we don't like you. But it's really hard in the mom era time of like being included in things and not being included or not being included or opening up the Facebook or the Instagram and seeing that a kid in your son's or daughter's class had a party. your child wasn't invited. There's so many things that I didn't know I was missing out on. Thank goodness growing up and being younger before social media. And maybe it's good that you know because it's like, okay, let me reevaluate this or let me utilize this relationship best as my ability without hurting my mental health.

But, you know, not everybody can be invited to everything. And sometimes, Ashley, you've just got to let them. And but now this is all exposed. So some of these people who are not famous because it's on the cover of TMZ are probably like, oh my God. Like I did not need this to start my 2026 year of just being like a rich millennial mom in Hollywood at a private school. This was not what I, now they, now she's definitely not being invited to the next like wine night book club. Will Smith was sued by a linist

Brian King Joseph for sexual harassment one of my predictions was I believe 2026 will be the year of the male me too it already started in 25

and before with Kevin Spacey though he seemed to have prevailed in those lawsuits then there is a second person suing Tyler Henry for sexual harassment a second male that worked on films with him. And now this story is that Will Smith did this tour

like where he was singing and like telling stories. And I don't know. It was a tour like happened this year. And he had this violinist and the violinist said that he came back to his room and there was like a note. And there was some like P. Diddy kind of stuff there like a baby oil. And he said there was like a threatening note that like he better put out or whatever something. And so then when he was like, no, then he got fired. This is what allegedly it is. It's kind of hard because it's like the whole story's not really out there. But this is basically what he's saying is that he was harassed and coerced. And when he said no, then he was let go from the tour and they replaced him with another violinist. So that, you know, of course, the Will Smith and his people are

denying it and everything. But technically, he is being sued for sexual harassment. And the Brian King Joseph said it was a traumatic series of events that he endured while working and performing for Will Smith on his tour. Now let's get into a little bit of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. the cult of the real housewife is a three-part limited series, just three episodes. It's on HBO Max. The trailer dropped the weekend of BravoCon. And but people are like, hmm, now some of you guys, I know what I love is when you say, Heather, I don't even watch The Real Housewives, but you tell me the interesting things I need to know about it. And I love that. Okay. So if you're not watching it, You can still listen and find this interesting.

There is a real housewife on there named Mary Cosby. And what is interesting is that she married her step grandfather and had a child with him. And the story is, in a nutshell, she had a grandmother named Mama who came over from Indiana to Salt Lake City and formed her own Pentecostal church, which is like where they're kind of like dancing in the aisle. and speaking in tongues and like saving people and they had this church and the mama also created all these other businesses while she had the church. Then she married this guy 20 years younger than her name Robert. Then she died when she was 65 and he was 45 and when before she died, she said, I want you to marry one of my girls. So Mary Cosby, her granddaughter, ended up marrying him who is her step-grandfather.

So no, it's not truly incest, but it's weird as fuck. So that, and that was all on the show when the season, the first season, they're in their fifth season now, Real House of the Salt Lake came about. Now, within the first year of the show, people were putting out stuff. And I think I got stuff from the infamous Vantis, reality Vantis, where I listened to this audio of where she was berating her So then she became the pastor

of her own church with this husband of hers which was also the husband of her grandma took over the church and there was audio that got out after her first year of being on Real Housewives of her berating her parishioner saying it's my birthday and she's like screaming at them

and I only got 14 envelopes of money and all of you better you know give me more because God doesn't like poor people and you're poor. You should have given me more money for my birthday. I heard that years ago. I never got over it. I always thought it was awful.

But so then she left for a minute and wasn't on, I think, season three. And then she came back and was like not very involved in season four. Now, season five, she got a standing ovation at BravoCon. People are loving her. She's interesting. She's funny. She appears to be a good friend to the other women. She's very involved.

She's quirky. She isn't as mean. She was very mean to the girls in the past. And so if you're interested, this is a three-part series, laying out why they believe technically this church is a cult run by Mary and at one time her husband. Now we don't really hear from the husband much at all. There's other accusations in it. I am going to get more into it on Thursday show. I'm going to give you guys a little time to watch it.

Tell me what you think. I have a major player in the documentary that I'll be interviewing for a little bit of Thursday show. So I want to get your questions about it. I think that Real Housewives and reality shows are for entertainment. And the people that get cast are cast for the reason to get people to watch and get people to talk about it, even if they're horrible people. they're not boring they're interesting i heard when real house was a salt lake city was happening there was a whole other show that had a green light that was about people in salt lake city that was going to be greenlit by bravo this is allegedly told to me okay they're telling me

that this was true and then that person who thought their show was going to go got the call and said, listen, we're going to go with this other Real Housewives Salt Lake type show because we found a woman who was married to her step-grandpa. And they're like, game fucking over. That's the show that we're going to go with. Sorry about your other show that had interesting Salt Lake City people in it, but you can't beat this. And you can't because it really got people talking.

And then she is drenched in what appears to be real. label-y stuff, even if it wasn't real. Her closet and her clothes are probably worth a million dollars. Even if it wasn't real, there's such an excess of it. And there's so much of it. And she has multiple homes and everything. So where did the money come from? And she's like, well, it didn't come from a congregation. I only have 300 people. So did it come from businesses? What is it? But then there's all these excommunicated members that put together that are being interviewed on this show that tell what happened. And I think it's very easy for someone to sit back and watch a show about a cult or whatever and say, I can't believe this person stuck with

it. How did they not see how they were being used and how weird this was? But that's the thing. If you weren't raised with religion or that kind of intense religion where there's a lot of heaven and hell and whose God is talking through this person. And it's very easy to get sucked into it. And just like when I interviewed on Juicy Crimes, Ms. Gavages's niece about being in Scientology, it's like you just don't know anything else. And then when you, you don't want to leave the church because it's all you know, it's your whole social life. It's your whole family it's you know all of that so it is it is well done it is interesting um but do i think it'll affect her career on bravo no i do not i think that um they already filmed the reunion i'm sure

none of this documentary was even brought up to mary they want to keep mary she is well liked and this show was not done on bravo and there you go however they used a lot of uh comments tweets, a lot of TikToks, a lot of clips from podcasts and Instagram videos and everything of people that are in this world that talk about Bravo shows. And some of those content creators have also done other videos saying they never asked for my permission. They never, and they just used it. Well, once you put something out there on Instagram and TikTok they can use it. They don't have to ask you. I know this because I did an interview with someone a couple years ago.

And it was also used for a documentary. And I had actually removed that interview. It was with Joe Francis. I removed it from my YouTube. And then they had already taken it off the YouTube and put it on their show. And there's nothing I could do about it. So sometimes they ask for permission. Bravo has asked me when they have, which I think is cool.

And it's kind of nice to know, oh, you're using that great. but technically they can and they use so many people to put this together that I think you know you were just one of many but I get why it would kind of bug if you if they didn't ask you then to like be a bigger part of it though they took your content so there is the juice there so watch it and we'll talk more about that on Thursday one thing I did notice is on Mary underscore M underscore M Cosby 450,000 followers which is her because it's got the blue checkmark. Her profile doesn't start out with real housewives. It doesn't say pastor of the Faith Temple Church. It says entrepreneur event specialist. Then R-H-O-S-L-C, on Bravo,

philanthropist, and spiritual leader, faith, fragrance, and fashion. So I'm assuming she's coming out with a Holy Spirit perfume. And, And, you know, she likes fashion. So to my prediction is come next season, the church will not even exist anymore. I think she will, I'm surprised she even came back and did anything at the church this past season. She said, oh, it was being remodeled for three years. I went and checked it out like three years ago when we were out there on spring break. And it was nothing was going on.

And I saw the photos of the mama. And I looked in there and it was kind of scary and like a ghost town. Then they go, we finally finished the remodel. exactly the same. It looked exactly so. I'm like, what? And then she's like, oh, I'm back to preaching. I don't know why they even did that. But my prediction and advice is that she abandons the churches altogether, divorces the Robert Sr. and then just starts doing her own thing. And it was, and then anything that happens, she can say, look, I was under the spell of being married to my step-grandpa. That's why I behaved that way. Now that I'm a real housewife and have been freed by

Andy Cohen himself, I can be a divorced housewife, and I can sell holy water perfume. Now for the star of members only at Palm Beach, the new hit Top 10 Netflix show that debuted this week that's got everyone talking. Please welcome my guest, Hillary. Welcome to Juicy Scoop. How are you? Oh, thanks, Heather. I'm so excited to be here with you on this podcast. Well, it was so great seeing you again. We met many years ago through our mutual friend, Jill Zarin. And she kept telling me, she goes, that's Hillary's show. You got to, you're so exciting, got to see Hillary's show.

And then she's like writing me because I was coming there for the, Rachel, you could tell wedding. And she's like, come over to Hillary's house. You're going to die when you see your closet. It's sick. You're going to die. And it was so fun to come to your house before. I'd seen the series, though, it dropped that day and then get to see your house on the show, which really is truly stunning. You have quite the eye for real estate and design. Thank you.

I appreciate that. It was fun having you buy my pool and get a good time. So the show for those who haven't seen, it's much like Housewives, but it's not a Housewife show and it's on Netflix, takes a handful of women, six, I think there's six of you in the poster, right? Oh, no, there's five of you in the poster. And, you know, and that brings you together and you're in this beautiful setting and we see these beautiful homes. And technically they say it's Palm Beach, but people say it's not filmed in Palm Beach. And that's a big controversy where I'm like, who cares? I don't really get why people are so weird about it. But I heard. somewhere that they won't allow filming in the actual Palm Beach. Is that true? No, it's actually not true. And just to set the record straight, because it's really, you know, I'm reading, you know, as much as I can, but it's so overwhelming. So many people are like, you know, well, Hillary Musser lives in West Palm Beach, never said I didn't live in West Palm Beach, but just for the record, moved here in 2005, bought a house at 137 Woodbridge Road or lived

in a beautiful, you know, Mediterranean mansion, which was right across the street from Mara Lago. And actually, the only reason or how I would ever become a member at that young age was because the houses all came with a membership. So, you know, it's just funny because every house he gave a membership to was because when he bought it, you know, it was a lot of, construction that he had to do. So we wanted to keep the only neighbors that he had. Yeah, I get it. So either way, the whole street, if you live, Dunmore Bridge, you got a membership, right? And then you just had to pay the dues. Of course, when I decided to move to West Palm Beach, it was because, you know, my husband at the time, big joke about the husband number three,

really loved boating. And so, you know, we could afford a house in West Palm on the water, you know, But in Palm Beach, actually, in 2005, I almost bought a house on the water. It was less money than the house I bought from Jill and Avi Glazer. You know, they are a fantastically well-known couple here that own the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the soccer, what is it, Manchester United. And they actually just are opening up the new playhouse in Palm Beach. You're a wonderful couple. They've remained friends.

and I bought the house from them. I joke it was a beautiful Mediterranean mansion brand new. They never even used the kitchen that it was like their starter home was they were building their mansion, but it was quite a mansion in and of itself. And, you know, they wrote about that when I moved down there. They were like socialite from Philadelphia, Hillary Musser, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I hated being called a socialite because it always minimized, you know,

my credibility I felt as a business person because I am a true entrepreneur. So I've lived on the island for many years, guys. I am a Palm Beacher. I belong to two clubs there. And I really take sort of offense being here for 22 years. I played in the Palm Beach, you know, town tennis team for 19 years, you know, to be treated like I'm not part of the real Palm Beach when I, in fact, am. And I am proud to be living on the water and the house you went to. Oh, my God.

It was gorgeous. I said, you know, when I got there, you were like, you know, you can stay here. And I'm like, well, I'm already at this other hotel that was close to the wedding that we were doing it. But I did. I came back the next day and I said, I just want to lay in your backyard. I don't even care. And you're like, okay, just come on by. And I just laid it.

I was like, it's so stunning, you know, and you have such an eye and your art and everything. But before we get into that, I just want to get a little into your life. So the people kind of understand. You shared a little bit with us right now. But one of the things that adds to the fun of the show and what people imagine this wealthy world to be is you're on your fifth husband, your fifth and final husband. And he is delightful and I met him. Luke, he's lovely. And so can we go through the husbands? Like, who was one? Who was two? Like, can we just get a little cliff note of your life and love life? And I did that on the show, but it somehow made it to the counterroom floor. So I'd be very happy.

We'll do it here then. Let's hear it here. Husband number one, great guy, Danny Schwartz. We dated for five years, you know, the perfect Jewish guy for me to marry. But, you know, about 10 months in, we just really weren't getting along. It was just quite that simple. You know, we didn't live well together. Right.

And Danny and I, you know, went on a trip to figure out if we should stay married. And I got a liver tumor that I almost killed me from birth control pills. my liver had a tear on it this big. I had two and a half liters of blood in my stomach by the time I got to a hospital. My husband almost killed me because he just wasn't taking me seriously. And my parents came, flew in from Boston. I was in intensive care. They cut me open from here to here. Took out my gallblower because it was in the way. So thank you very much for that. And then, you know, save my life and said I had 30 minutes left to live. Oh, my God. And that was all with husband number one? Yeah. My parents said,

we need you to leave him. Okay, so then you got rid of him, then you, and then you met Musser. Prior to my even marrying Danny, I had met Pete Musser through work. Anyway, this started the flirtation. And, you know, I knew that he had the hots for me, but look, I'm 38 years younger, like, serious. I wasn't even taking him seriously. So then who was number two? Musser. Oh, so Musser was number two. Okay, so then you fall in love, you get married to him, and he's much older and wealthy, obviously. And how long were you married to him for? Because you had your son with him, right?

Well, it's kind of like I woke up in the hospital. He called me incessantly. He was madly in love with me. And I kind of had this aha moment like, you know what? He's amazing and he's so smart and he's so sexy. And life is short. I almost died. So what if he's 38 years older?

Who cares? It was like a defining moment in my life. Whereupon I said, what am I doing? And it had, you know, people love to write, oh, she married a billionaire. Number one, you know, at that time, he was worth, like, say, 30 million, which in today's standards is not a lot of money, really. It's not billionaire category by any means. On paper, over the next five years, for about two and a half. months. Pete muster was a billionaire on paper. And guess what? Then he was negative 40 million.

And that was real because all that money was gone. And that was in October of 2000. And we got married in November of 2000. So I really get pissed when people say Hillary muster married a billionaire. And Hillary muster has this because she married a billionaire. You know what? It's all in a book, Richestan, written by Robert Frank. You can read it. The true story. It's in a million different articles, but yet still today, you know, these, these rags, I'll call them, are writing about me. Like, you know, I'm, I'm only where I am today because of my billionaire husband. And that's just horseshit. Didn't happen that way.

And in fact, I had bought a lot of real estate done really well in Antucket doing developments as a builder. And I saved his butt. They said, if you pay off, you know, a big amount of money. let me just say, I won't tell you, the number of his debt. This is right after we got married, we won't fire him as CEO of his own company. I paid it off. I took a big mortgage out of my Nantaka properties to do it, and guess what they fired him anyway?

So we ended up in a hole, a big, fat hole. We turned it around. We started our own company called the Monster Group and started investing in different businesses together as venture capitalists. And I was an entrepreneur. And I got booted out of my own company at, you know, from, Safeguard, which was his company, and he got booted from his own company. So here we were, just having to start, like, two young entrepreneurs all over again. You know, people don't know

that story. And that's a really, it's a really important story. And I'm writing a book. Good. And it's not really a biography, but it's going to, it's going to touch on the real true story. So, and then you have your son, you do get pregnant with your son, Cooper. Yeah. So who I met, who is a delight. We see him a little bit in the show, but he's really so, was so pleasant and charming. And so why did the marriage end? Well, as I say in the book,

and I've said in many articles, everybody knew Pete Musser was a lady's man. Nobody ever thought that he would be a lady's man with me. You know, like I'm 38 years younger, really cute. You know, we have a baby who is the light of his life and was until he passed away. and, you know, I think it was the loss of the power, you know, the loss of his company, the loss of that money, where he was looking for affirmation that maybe I just wasn't giving him anymore because I was really focused on the baby, you know, and all my attention all of a sudden was placed on Cooper. So when Cooper was a year and a half old, you know, I caught him cheating with like the town, you know,

on Nantucket, and even though it'd only been going on like two or three weeks, I just, I was, I was devastated. Yes. Really devastated. I thought, oh, my God. And for six months, he wrote me like a 10-page love letter, really loved me, tried to explain it away. And the most profound thing he could come up with was, I'm really sorry, honey, it was a

brain fart. I'm like, did you use the word brain fart? Like the most intelligent man I've ever met in my life just said brain fart. Okay, I can't do this, right? Like, seriously, brain fart, it's not a brain fart. It's a big, huge breach of trust. And at the end of the day, I was very proud and very young. And I picked up my, I picked up all my stuff.

And I said, I can't give you six months. I'm done at four months. And I took Cooper. And I moved to our house on a dirt road on the ocean in Nantucket and come about. the middle of October, I said, ooh, this is pretty lonely out here, you know. And even though I had a boyfriend on the island, I was like, I got to go. So all my friends, like, one of my friends flew me down in the private plane to Palm Beach, and I bought a house that day. And that was that house next to Marlago. And I was like, this is cool. And then I could just walk across the street like I lived in a country

club, pick up my tennis racket, get a meal, you know. And Cooper had. swimming pools, you know, with other kids and playground and, you know, it was just a lifestyle. Is that how you met three? I met number three at like a bar restaurant with a friend who dragged me out that night. And I said to this guy next to me, he's really cute. And he goes, oh, yeah, he's like in real estate. I know him. His name is Tom Bishop.

And, you know, would you like to meet him? I go, yeah, hell yeah. I'd like to meet him. And I really click with him all that much. But I hated dating. We were very different. but he came over for Thanksgiving, and my sister goes, he is by far the hottest guy you have ever dated in your entire life.

And I was like, yeah, he's really hot. And then all my girlfriends were like, if you don't want him, we got a line of girls that'll take him. And I was like, no, I'm going to keep him. I'm going to keep him. You know, it was like a contest. And we weren't suited for each other. But he was hot.

It was really odd. And he was funny, and he loved my kid. So how long did that one last? Seven years. Okay. And so then that ran its course. And Pete was 12 years. Pete was 12 years.

Number three was seven years. Number four is who you're with when I hung out with you during that Jill Zeran luxury, luxury weekend, Hamptons. And he seemed nice enough. So how long were you with him for? for nine years dating and married together and he was a bank he's a banker his name is dale and he was the antithesis of tom so like if you could take somebody and put him in in two different compartments he was never going to and and tom also was a bit of a you know a ladies man let's put it that way and that's a nice tom was three tom was three was a ladies man and i'm like i'm done like he's ladies

man you know this is so stupid and i need a loyal guy he was loyal as a gold murderer. Okay. But he was, you know, just didn't last. He was, he was a little too boring for me. A little too boring. And then you go on vacation and you meet Luke. I meet Luke, not boring. And he was, he was the doorman at your hotel? He was the doorman at my hotel, the Hotel, the Hotel Dela Rope in Amsterdam. So I didn't meet him the first two days and I made friends with this concierge, Sonder. And he was, darling. just text me when you need a ride back from, you know, it was like the chancel lise of Amsterdam.

So I'm buying for a remote luggage to put all my new stuff in that I bought. And I texted him, I need a ride and drives up this gorgeous, you know, fancy Mercedes, you know, like golf cart with this really tall guy with the most gorgeous blue eyes with a black top hat. And I looked out the window and his blue eyes just pierced through my soul. but what really got me was I told him they would deliver the luggage. And he goes, no, I'm getting it. He goes in. He grabs the luggage, puts it in the car. And I go, I need to go to Gucci. And he goes, let's go to Gucci. That sounds like fun.

And that man knew his way around Gucci. And I could tell he was not your average doorman. And the reason he knew his way around Gucci was because he'd been there many times going up with his mother and his father. You know, he came from a really nice family. His dad was an Uber famous doctor, research doctor. You know, his mom had passed away. I'm sorry. I didn't get to meet her because she was really into shopping like I am. And he hung out with me for like an hour and a half in Gucci.

We had the best time. We were drinking champagne. And he was really smart. But I still wasn't thinking about dating him. I was in Amsterdam. My son went off to his summer program. And then Luke and I were flirting. If you look and pick that picture of us that's on the show,

that was just in front of the hotel when I was walking out to go do something with Cooper and it looks like we're madly in love and you could just tell the energy between us was there from the beginning before any kiss before anything then I went seven hours to bottom bottom Germany to a spa and he WhatsApp me the next day and he was you know really sweet what's up and somehow I had the guts to write back and say well I'm doing fine but it would be I wouldn't be so lonely if you were here can you believe I said that and then that was it he drove seven and a half hours and said he'll be there for a late lunch the next day wow and he never left so he never leaves you get married and then this opportunity for the show comes up

so now let's just jump to the show and what people are are I have questions about the show. So, um, let's go through some of the, the girls. So you're good friends with Taja. Yes. I met Taja through Jill. Through Jill. And, um, and what I love about, like, you and Jill truly are friends and are very supportive of each other, which I love. She was very excited about all of this for you, which I love. And, um, and Tasia, you know, she comes off well in the show. Like, you guys come off pretty normal. But there's like some, there's some interesting characters on your show. So there's Maria, who is a DJ, like she's the DJ at the country club. And I don't really understand, she seems, you know,

like a nice person, but I don't understand how she, how they found her. I mean, but she is something that you, you kind of can't take your eyes away from. So I understand why they cast her. But what was, did you ever know her prior to filming? Um, I didn't know her prior to filming. Actually, Taja recommended her, and they knew each other. I mean, she's not the DJ at Mara Lago so much as she was the DJ in the past, you know, a couple of years or so for the Big Dog Ranch event. I have no idea if she's doing it again. But so there isn't one DJ at Mara Lago specifically.

You know, they have different DJs for different events. Just to be clear. But, yeah. She does DJ a lot in Del Rey and places like that. And she is a character. Yeah. She's, you know, she's got a lot to say. And she's, you know, yeah, she's filled with a lot of drama.

So I guess she's good for TV. Yes. And then really, in the poster, the woman that I think got a lot of airtime that didn't make the poster was Gail. And Gail is much older than the. you guys. They're very attractive. And she's doing this whole thing with Rosalind, who is, if you cast, if this was a scripted show, I think someone would say, Rosalind is too over the top.

Like, no one will believe that Rosalind exists because the bright blonde hair and, you know, the way she talks with her voice and everything, she's just, she's also a character. and so the whole thing is Gail is like they have this love affair friendship where she's like I'm going to pass the baton you're going to be the queen of Palm Beach and I didn't know if this was put on for the show because it's kind of like they wanted the producers wanted to be like Palm Royale but it just was so weird and unbelievable and then it's like she was so name dropy and about her life in the past but it was funny it's like everybody has met that woman that's like, oh, when I walked into a restaurant, I was so stunning, busboys used to crash

into each other. And then I was hanging out with JFK Jr. And like, whatever the story is, like, it just, it was, she is ridiculous, but funny. Well, yeah. I mean, I think the producers really loved her because she added sort of a, you know, a dose of complete ridiculousness to the show. I'm sure you can see my reaction, you know. Yeah. I mean, I think the funniest thing I said was, and I was, of course, being cheeky, right? I said, you know, you should go to Elon Musk and ask him if he'll donate a trip to the moon for one of your very many charities, which you haven't shared in over 20 years, but that's okay. I mean, I think that was hilarious.

And she took me seriously. You know, I don't know. I know. She took you. Seriously, it was so funny because, you know, if anyone that's ever been to a big auction or whatever, people will give their house or their whatever. And you're like, ask Elon to like send someone to the moon for, you know, and bid on that. That'd be a great charity. And yeah, it was like she did not, she didn't get it, went right over her head. And it was, it was very funny. And you know what's so funny is that scene, that famous scene in it where she sits too much on the edge of the lounge

chair and she falls. And her wig, which was not a good wig, falls off though. Women, all of the women helped straighten it on her head. This past weekend when I was at the wedding, I sat on the edge of a chair and fell. And I was like, oh my God, I just pulled a gale. I didn't say I wasn't wearing a wig, thank God. When I just pulled a gale, I'm like, I just fell like exactly like this woman. So she just was like a friend of, I guess that's why she didn't make the poster or what.

Yeah, I mean, Rosam brought her in, reportedly Rosan said she brought her in because she had no friends on the show, which wasn't true at all. I mean, see Roslyn, new Romina for many 20 years or whatever. I mean, I think candidly that she brought Gail in to say the things that she didn't have the, uh, the, uh, but to say on her own, right? So for certain things, she kind of wanted to attack me, but she couldn't really do it. So she, she, you know, she, she shoveled that over to Gail. And Gail had no problem, you know,

blurting out anything. So I felt like, you know, she kind of used Gail a little bit as a mouthpiece. Maybe she used her to give herself some credibility, which she was lacking, right? You know, it's sort of no secret in Palm Beach that Rosalind has not made a lot of friends on the island. And so the problem that I had was, you know, I, first of all, she said she wasn't doing the show. So when I invited those people that she had legitimate issues with, they had legitimate issues with her. And I mean, issues I can't talk about, you know, because you can't talk about them.

Okay. But they're legitimate, right? Yeah. I didn't think she was on the show. So this whole story, you know, about me being, you know, excluding her. I'm not an exclusionary person, but she wasn't on the show because she said she wasn't doing it. the show. And then all of a sudden, like two days before we started shooting, she was like, I've decided to do it. And meanwhile, I had three people who could not be in the same room

with her, like legitimately could not be in the same room with her. So when people talk about, like, oh, you can't do this on the island and all that stuff. I mean, that really is true. Like once you've lived there for that long, there really is that kind of society life. if that really does exist? Well, look, you know, if you piss off one person, a group, you piss off them all. People stick together, right? So, like, just somehow in the group of folks that, you know, that I know and I hang out with everybody, really, you know.

I mean, I don't have a group I hang out with. I'm sort of friends with everybody. I've been there 22 years. You know, there's not like, I'm not like part of a clique. That's not my style. But, you know, one of the people in the group. was my neighbor. I see him every day. I mean, you know, we're close. And so it was impossible for me to include her in that, in that first event. Of course, that became the whole story for the show,

you know, it was like, Rosalind against Hillary, Rosalind against Hillary, you know, and she wasn't even supposed to be on the show. So it was, it was kind of difficult to navigate that for me because I couldn't really talk about what really was the truth. Oh, well, maybe that'll come out next season. Well, yeah. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I do have to say one more thing about that. I mean, I call her Rara, but the thing about Rara is, you know, she makes it out like she's this big innocent person who's only ever looked left or right at her husband. She's been married before, you know, that's her second husband. But wait, Rosalind or Romino? Oh, is the second husband the one she had all five kids with or no? No. No.

she had two kids with the first husband in Israel, married to an Israeli guy. And then she moved back to America. And, you know, it just wasn't really a true story. You know, and her mother was friendly with a really good friend of mine. And the mother's husband was a CFO of a very big company. I don't think she grew up so poor. You know, so that's kind of a story. and, you know, it's kind of used to sort of make me look like, you know, I'm this flaky person

with five husbands and she's only ever had one guy in her whole life. Well, that's not true. So, you know, I kind of want to push back on that, right? Okay. Good. And then Romina is the youngest of the group. And she comes off very likable and relatable. And, you know, her storyline is like, you know, her storyline is like,

Can I fit in here? And she has this big party. And much in the housewife fashion, she is a singer. So I need to know how was that song that she performed at her own birthday party? Look, I like Ramina. You know, I tried to mentor her, but she chose, I think, the wrong horse to be mentored by. Yeah. She was a different horse next season.

I like Ramina. I tried to mentor her. But, you know, look, you know, Rosalind has known her a long time and brought her on to the show. So she's got to show some loyalty there. And I respect that too. Yeah. But where we are with that, right, is she is trying really to be a fashion designer, but singing is a passion. I thought she was fine.

I mean, my voice is so bad that anybody sounds better than I do. So to me, she sounded great. and I think her clothing line is kind of gitchy. You know, I think she has some good stuff and she has some not so good stuff, but I applaud her for putting it out there and trying to do it. But in real life, have you ever really like mentored like a young, younger woman who's trying to try to fit in that needs like the tips of like what to wear or what to do or what not to say?

I've mentored plenty of young women professionally, but certainly nobody's ever come to me and ask me how to act. Oh, okay. So only professionally, not like society-wise. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm so not into that stuff, really. Yeah. I don't worry about, oh, no boobs and no knees, and you have to act a certain way. You see me, I don't act like that.

And I got a lot of friends in Palm Beach Island, and I've been there 22 years. And I really, you know, I really haven't made very many. I haven't can't I can't find any enemies that I have and I think I've navigated my way through quite easily I fit right in when I got there so look I don't know really what that's all about I don't I think it's I think it's a little bit blown up so did you know Jill while while she was currently filming housewives or did you meet her after she had left housewise because I know you guys have been friends for at least a decade or so. Yeah, I mean, this mutual friend of ours, Maura Fiori, said, hey, you know, let's go, and I met her playing tennis at Mar-a-Lago.

And then she was the captain of the town tennis team. And we've been great friends, still great friends. She moved to L.A. At the time, she still lived in Palm Beach, and she said, I'm making a tennis game with a friend of mine, Jill Zerran. You know, she's not fantastic. It's not going to be the best game that we've had, but you'll love. Oh, she'll love this. But you'll, no, no, no, she's such a better tennis player now. She's really improved. She's amazing.

Yeah. I come do the member gas with her at Woodfield every year. But she's at the time, she just started playing. Yeah. So, you know, but let's have fun. You love her, like to introduce you to her, aka, by the way, she was a New York housewife, and I go, well, I've never watched a show. I have no idea.

I don't, I don't watch reality TV. So she, uh, she came. and we just were like sisters from the minute we met. And so you weren't someone that watched it, you know, like the way I've been into it since like day one, and that's how I met Jill through the business. Did you ever think that you could be on a reality show? What did you think when the opportunity presented itself at this point in your life? Well, I've been asked at least five or six times to be on a reality show.

I mean, many, many people have tried to do a Palm Beach show. you can film on the island with a permit inside of buildings and inside of private homes. You just can't walk around with your video camera, you know, filming, you know, Rod Stewart's house and so-and-so's house. That's what they're trying to avoid. So they tried to do a show. They came and filmed at my Woodbridge house on the island. And I filmed with Cooper with my husband Tom at the time. And that was contract signing time, right? They gave me a car. It was just a production company. I saw that contract. I'm like, I don't like it.

I didn't sign it. And then it didn't end up happening, right? It ended up, you know, just falling apart. Right. And, you know, I was bringing my son to some castings. I got a casting director pulled me aside and said she wanted me for a show on hard money lending. And she sent my, she asked to film me.

And I'm like, all right, I was taking my son to a casting. He's an actor in Miami. And then that guy called me and wanted to do a show with me. It never panned out into anything. I said I would be interested in tennis, doing a show on tennis. And we couldn't get that together. Ladies in the Island didn't really want to be film playing tennis. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then, you know, another time I was at Paramount with the head of casting there. And he was green screening Cooper. And he goes, I want to put you in the movies. You would be so funny. You'd be so great on screen. And I'm like, no, no, no, I'm here for my son. Like, almost TV and film was calling my name. for the last 20 years, and I kept pushing it away.

And then when this one came, you know, I talked to Jill about it. And I was like, I think I'm ready. And, you know, I used it in my mind to convince myself that this is a great opportunity to expand my brand, Hillary Messer Holmes, and the developments that I do, you know, I knew that I would just be finishing the most expensive, most exclusive. high-end home, designed interiors by Paltrona Frow. Do you know who they are? Yes, you told me. That's all the leather interior of Ferrari, right? Every Ferrari and Willsroy's, your seats and your dashes are made by Paltroner Frau.

So it really is a Hilary-Musser Interior Design Paltroner-Frow house. Have you gotten a lot of inquiries since it's been featured? And, you know, you show it on your Instagram as well. So have you gotten any interest? Yeah, I mean, it is my passion. I'm sorry for the pitch, but yeah, yeah, no, I get it. It's amazing. Everyone needs to go to her Instagram and watch her videos about this house. It is the culmination of 30 years worth of mistakes. Yeah. Oh, that's so interesting. So for 30 years, I've been building houses. I took all my mistakes. I corrected them. And I made a house that I want to live in, which I think is a really high standard, right? Because you got to always be prepared. If you don't sell it, you got to move into it. So, We have been on the market for less than a couple of weeks live, and I have had several really great showings. I've had two people contemplating an offer, so I'm waiting. And I have another really interested guy on Friday. So I'm feeling that the house is really hot. And I'm sitting like by

the end of January, you know, somebody else is going to own it and be a really, happy camper. Well, I got to drive by it because Jill gave me the wrong address. So I go, I go, I gave me the wrong address. No, no, Jill did it. Jill texted me and I go, are you guys like in this modern house that's like construction going on? And she's like, oh, no, that's the one she's building. Oh, my God, it's close. Oh, I'm such an idiot. So then I go to the other house. So I saw it in person and the location is to die. And it's amazing. I know we have to wrap it up. So I just, want to ask you a couple things. What's been, you know, providing the show goes forward and you do another season, what would you like to, what would you like to experience in this next

season that you didn't experience in the previous one? Well, like a little more truth, you know, there was a lot of things that sort of were swept under the carpet, right? And I'm right out there with the truth about everything, right? I'm a straight shooter. You know, I'd like to get another new cast member that's a little bit, you know, maybe actually from Palm Beach Island to squelch all this talk about it's not real Palm Beachers when when I am. I'm both the Palm Beacher and a West Palm Beacher. I'm both. Right. I'd like to get somebody maybe a little bit more down to earth like me, right? What about the, how do you, did you know that Sue Bell? Because people follow her on Instagram. They loved seeing her in one of the days.

she was fun to pop in she's one of my best friends i brought her onto the show oh okay yeah yeah but she's great on instagram yeah her brand is taking off yeah you know look she's um you know like 79 years old and and the shooting day was really long for her and she just sort of shared with me that she's not sure she's going to be able to put the kind of time in that she did last year because you know, we we have some long days and it's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot harder than people think. It's a lot more exhausting. And what have you liked about this past week of the show being out and what have you, what has been hard? I think some of the things that I've loved, you know, the attention is great. I got my first fan photo, you know, the day after the show at table 26 with my son at the bar. It was like,

She's like, oh my God, I want to work for you. I want to change my life to be a realtor. I want to do this. And she was so cute. You know, and those kind of things are great. And I've had a lot of great thank you for all the fan mail. I've had like, like no haters. And I'm really proud.

Like people are talking to me about the fact that I'm inspiring them, other women. And that's what my book is about. So I'm really excited about that. And that's been really positive, right? I mean, the only negative is, you know, when they start publishing stuff, that's not true, right? Like, I am self-made. Don't put me in a different category than I am, and I've worked so hard.

I hate that. So, you know, but you go on TV, go on reality TV, you go on a show like this, and you just got to expect it, right? Well, I'm excited for them to see more of you because I got to meet your sister and your niece, and they're fun and cool. Like I said, I got to spend time with your son. Luke is a delight and fun and funny. So I just think more of your life.

So I felt like, you know, out of all the girls, I felt very blessed to be able to interview you who I met many years ago and we had fun together and that, you know, that you're the real deal. And like I said, you really have a business. You really have done it for years. You really have talent in a hard business. And so I think it's great.

And I think the show is extremely. entertaining. There's a lot of like people hating it, you know, but they watch the whole thing because they they think it's somewhat, you know, a political side just because of where you're located. And so there's some of that where I'm like, well, so what? You watch the whole thing. That's the point. You know, like whatever. But I think I'd like to see more of it. And I think it would be really fun if this takes off that who's ever doing this show, there's more like, members only L.A., members only Scottsdale, members only, you know, just finding kind of exclusive parts of America where people want to like step in and go, what's it like to live there?

You know, not so much like a housewife's thing, more like what's it like to live there? What is what's the vibe about? And I think that's why they were dipping their toe in with the Palm Beach because of the interest of Palm Beach and Palm Royale. But I could see it really growing as a franchise. And so I think it's great. Well, we actually started, you know, the show before we knew about Palm Royale. It just was Uber lucky.

And we also started the show before Trump was elected. So I think we got really lucky with the timing, you know, with. And it's so exciting to be in the top 10 at the top eight this morning. And then my executive producer, Johnny Gould, from Super Luna, told me on the phone today that we're like, five in Canada. He goes top three in Kenya. You know, my husband's talking to friends from all over the world. And he's going, oh, the women in Singapore love you. You know, and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, all of a sudden, I've lost my anonymity. And I was fairly anonymous before, in my own mind, at least, even if I wasn't. And I think that this is a journey, a new journey,

at least in my life. Yeah. I think it's a journey. And my advice is, especially at this point of your life, you know, you have a grown son who's got his head on straight. So you're already in a better position than a lot of housewives that started where maybe their kids didn't ask to be in the limelight or whatever. And I think that you should just have a blast with it and, you know, utilize it like you are. And just have so much fun because, you know, I think it's a great future. And you're at a great future. And you're at a great. great point in your life. You know, it's good this didn't happen when you were 40. It's happening now for a reason. So have a blast with it. No, thank you. And, you know, look, it's, there's, there's, there's no harm, no foul with the, you know, with all the girls. It's a group of girls, you know. Yeah. And, you know, at the end of the day, you know, this is a little journey that we did all do together. So that's, you know, been, you know, we have a little camaraderie there. But I think we could use a little bit, maybe a couple of other people to mix it up. So I think you'll wait to see next season.

You might see some new faces. Yeah. It might see some younger faces too, you know, just to give it a little spice. Yeah. Just hold on and wait and see who knows what's going to happen. It's certainly not my decision. Well, tell everybody where they can follow you on Instagram. Hillary with one L at Hillary Musser Holmes on Instagram. And that's my website too.com. and TikTok, oh, gee, I don't know, I think my TikTok is the same. Okay, good. But, oh, are you what's funny? You love this, though, before you hang up on me.

Yeah. There was a TikTok with Jill and I next to each other. Did you see it? No, but I know people are saying they look so much alike. And before they knew your friends, people were commenting saying she reminds me of Jill Zarin. And it's so funny because we really are different. Like, we're totally different in a. room, right? You put us in a room, they're different. But people put us together. It must be the

energy that we have together, you know, and I'm not some energy guru or anything, but that energy we have together must make people sort of feel it. And that's the energy we felt when we met, and the energy I felt when I met you, I mean, I met you, you know, probably 10 times now over the last 10 years and I've always loved you. So I'm so honored that you chose me to sit here and do the this podcast with you and I hope it's not our last one. Oh, no, absolutely not. Well, thank you so much. And everybody, the show is members only. Is it Palm Beach members only or members only Palm Beach? Members only Palm Beach. Okay. And of course, it's on Netflix so you can binge it and it's fun and and then follow Hillary as well. Thank you so much. I'll talk to you soon. Thanks. Take care.

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