Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - P. Diddy Scandal, Kardashian Doc and Housewife Threesomes with David Weintraub

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

Sean Combs (aka P. Diddy) was hit with a $30M lawsuit accusing him of extensive abuse. Kanye’s “wife” appears to be taking a break from him…and hopefully those nude nylons. An FBoy Island contestant claims he had a threesome with two Beverly Hills housewives. Real or fake? Then, I sit down with David Weintraub, who also appeared on Peacock’s “House of Kardashian” documentary! David highlights his experience managing Ray J for the past decade-plus, and explains why sex tapes aren’t actually “leaked.” He details his perspective on Kardashian history, what it was like to grow up with Paris and Nicky Hilton, and his experience producing and starring in reality shows like Sons of Hollywood. Juiciest of all, he shares some crazy moments that were left out of the documentary entirely. Enjoy! Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://patreon.com/juicyscoop   Follow Me on Social Media Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald. TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald   Check out “The Hollywood Handbook” https://thehollywoodhandbook.com   Follow David Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sirdavidweintraub To listen to the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPodYouTube Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be amazing! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod Treat yourself to the best bras on the market and save 20% at https://honeylove.com/juicy Go to https://theouai.com and enter promo code JUICY for 15% off! Request a Cologuard prescription today at https://cologuard.com/juicyscoop Use code HOLIDAY10 for 10% off your first purchase at https://etsy.com Sign up for your trial today at https://noom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Then I have a great interview I did with one of the other people, besides myself, that is heavily featured in the House of Kardashian documentary, which is now available on Peacock. And a lot of people are watching it. A lot of people have questions. We go through a lot that was not covered, that was cut out from the dock. We are going to get into it. It's really juicy.

And then also I do have an airing update. I'm just waiting to get a little more information. So that'll be later on once it comes. But I wanted to get this part of the show recorded for you guys to listen to and enjoy. But we have that later. Okay. Here's some juicy fun that has been going crazy. There's some guy that's a contestant on F-boy Island, and he's pretty cute. And he went on a podcast, which is now this clip is Gone Viral, where he's talking to

some other dude who's also attractive about how he had a threesome with two real housewives of Beverly Hills. And he said, yeah, I did them both. And then the mom went out and she was on the trampoline within minutes. I'd be finishing or something bouncing around. So when the husband came home, he didn't think anything of it that I was there,

that she was on the trampoline bouncing around with her kids. He then goes on to say, shortly after I got a message from the husband and he said, oh, you do real estate at the time. He was doing real estate. Come meet me out for lunch and then he had some guy that looked like he was in the FBI or something with him and he's like, if you ever mess with my wife again, like watch out, that's his story. So of course everybody is

speculating. Now, is this even true? Could he have thought their real housewives of Beverly Hills, but maybe they were, you know, saying they were going to be on a reality show and they were doing a real and it never happened, the guy looks pretty young. So how many seasons ago was this from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills? Mostly people think it's Carlton, who was on one season like 10 years ago. She was a witch, she was into a wicka,

and she lived in like a medieval house that eventually Josh Altman sold and she and her husband were swingers and they were pretty open about it. She was definitely by and she and Brandy talked about making out in her pool one afternoon after having lots of Sylvanelle Blanc. And so the consensus in the comments is people believe it is Brandy Glanville and maybe this woman Carlton. I say who the hell knows? Since the beginning of time, men have bragged and exaggerated and lied about banging chicks,

whether it's in the locker room or now, behind a mic at a podcast, there's no way of knowing, but it made the weekend kind of fun. And who the hell knows, okay? Oh, this was interesting. Leanne Rimes has commented about in light of reading Britney Spears book, she says, I dealt with the same thing. I was a child star. I was a teenager, singer that felt very controlled. She had a falling out with her dad who was a managing partner in her life. And I thought that was really interesting. She said, only until about the last five years have I been able to say no, professionally, personally, everything,

because I was such a yes girl being a teen in this business. So I thought that was really interesting in relating to Britney. F1 in Las Vegas, I guess was a big dud as far as no show. I actually have heard both. I've seen videos of people walking through casinos that are completely empty. Other people saying they're completely empty

because everybody is watching the F1 race. Other people are saying, oh, the price is plummeted. Then there's video of Paris Hilton coming to do a DJ gig at I think the Virgin Hotel and the room scans at its half full and she's like pissed and there's comments about that. Who knows, sometimes with these big moments, especially in Las Vegas,

it makes people completely avoid going to that city or going to Las Vegas because they're like, if I'm not interested in going to the F1 thing, I don't even wanna be there. That is just gonna be a shit hole or whatever. It's gonna be a rat fuck. So, I don't know. So, I thought that was pretty interesting.

Has sometimes these things that get so built up then turn out to be kind of like a financial bust. Okay. Now some very juicy and disturbing news that happened just within 24 hours. The news broke that Cassie Ventura, who was an artist that worked with P Diddy. They started dating back in the early 2000s. 2005 is actually when they started to date, she and P Diddy, puffed out of P Diddy, Sean Cums. She was one of his artists and she was very talented. They had this relationship that went on for many years. And Nat, she came forward with a $30 million lawsuit. And the claims in this lawsuit were absolutely shocking.

She said that he physically kicked her many times, one time in the face so badly that she had to recover in a hotel for a week. He also kicked her on another occasion because she was talking to a different agent. He always had guns around and he even gave her a gun to carry just to let him know, let her know how intimidating he was. All these stories are coming out about P. Diddy. A 50 cent is commenting. There's videos being made, people pointing out strange coincidences like every

single partner that started with P. Diddy with his record label are all but one besides P. Diddy, I think are now deceased, all kind of by heart attack or Kim Porter who was the mother of his children and also one of the, I think it was, yes, she was the mother of P. Diddy's children. She passed away a couple years one of the, I think it was, yes, she was the mother of P. Ditty's children. She passed away a couple years ago of pneumonia. People think that's straight. So there's a lot of conspiracy theories going on. All of these people allegedly had books coming out,

including Cassie. Tell all books about P. Ditty. I had mentioned a couple of months before when P. Ditty announced that he is giving the rights, the publishing rights of all of his artists, he's giving it back to them. Isn't that wonderful? Isn't that so sweet? And I said, I don't think this is his Christian service.

I think he's doing this because something's coming down and he wants them to be grateful that they have their publishing rights back, which is extremely financially good for the artists. According to Aubrey O'Day, this was offered before, and it also involved signing an NDA in which they could no longer, they could never talk about P Diddy along with receiving their publishing rights back. There's a lot of information like this going around. But within this lawsuit, it's really shocking. He threatened to blow up the kid, Kudi's car, because she was like talking to him or he thought that he was flirting with her. And you know, this was all about controlling Cassie for all these years.

Even though he had other relationships and whatnot, he was always controlling her with physical abuse, sexual abuse, and also sex traffic. She was sex traffic, according to the lawsuit, in which she said he would bring male prostitutes in, in which she'd have to have coercive sex with them. And he would film it, and he called it freaky deakies and got her and you know, said it was voyeurism and all this. And other people and rappers have referred to his freaky deakies. Getting back to Kid Kudyscar. At one point Kid Kudyscar did blow up. I don't know if we ever knew who did that,

but those were the other things. Also, I heard back in the late 90s when I was out trying to get with a manager. I remember one manager said, oh yeah, I work with JLo and Puff Daddy. And we had a meeting. And this was like a normal office like in Wilshire. And this is what this guy told me.

So this is his story, it's alleged. But during the meeting, the way they start the meetings is Sean Combs, Puff Daddy. But during the meeting, the way they start the meetings is Sean Combs, Puff Daddy, P. Diddy would put down his gun on the table before they even started talking about like an entertainment deal. So there is a lot that's coming out that, you know, to the insiders of this world, no, they're not shocked so the people like me Well now I think about this gun story, which I remember thinking really like puff daddy didn't seem to me like a scary thug criminal he really did it and I think to the average person they didn't see him like that and now this is all

Out there so there's a lot coming out And now this is all out there. So there's a lot coming out, but there probably won't be as much coming out because the case was settled within 24 hours. It was settled in part of that settlement is that she and her husband Cassie and their two kids can go live their life and they're not going to speak about it again.

And he gave the money. His attorney was, I think, someone who used to work for Harvey Weinstein and he gave the money. His attorney was, I think, someone who used to work for Harvey Weinstein and he said, this settlement in no way is saying that he was at all guilty. But yeah, this is bad and he did not want this drag out to try to save a few million dollars. I don't know what 30 million dollars is to him. I assume if she asked for 30, that's what she got.

Being that it was in 24 hours. I don't think she settled for, you know, eight, but that's just my opinion. And so maybe he's like, my God, I'm worth whatever someone could probably tell me how much he's worth. But he's worth 100, 200 million dollars, 30 million is not going to change his lifestyle at all. And if he can keep people from not talking about this, then that is the way to go, because it seems to be a lot of corroboration. If I'm saying that right, corroboration, a lot of people

corroborating these kinds of stories about him. There's videos of him with Justin Bieber feeling nervous and there's stories of, you know, men, women, teenagers, everything that is not good for him. So that was crazy. Let me see. Azahara, who is Angelina Jolie's daughter. She is loving college at Spellman. She joined the AFA-Kalpa Alpha sorority.

And Angelina was there for, I guess, a prison stites. That's what we called it in our day. She seems to be wearing a white dress and that's what we would wear. And like, oftentimes parents would come if they could make it. And she has removed Pitt from her name. You know, she is over 18.

So I guess if she wants to do that, she can. And Brad Pitt was not present. So that was interesting, but she's getting. Angela and Jolie is just getting a lot of praise for the way she has raised her daughter, their strong relationship, being that her daughter was adopted. And the daughter seems extremely happy. And I think that's very cool.

Bianca, Kanye's wife. Finally, maybe she was listening to Juice's Scoop, but according to these reports, source is close to her, finally got to her. They kind of had a friend and family intervention and they are allegedly taking a break, they aren't together. And Kanye is having trouble getting his music published. He is still making horrible anti-Semitic remarks in songs allegedly. And everyone's just like, ugh, but it got to the point

where she wasn't allowed to speak. She had to wear, you know, nylons up to her nipples and walk around holding a pillow through Paris and Italy. And hopefully she's enough time away from someone. When when you're in a cult like relationship or you know type of situation like that, whether it's a group of people and everybody's sucked into one person or is it actual cult or it's a relationship where they have isolated you from everybody else. Each day that you're away from that narcissistic horrible person, I think will be a day closer to you seeing what was actually happening. So this girl is young and pretty. I don't know much about her, but obviously I'm team get the hell away from Kanye if you're a woman. Audible, let's you enjoy all of your audio entertainment all in one app.

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she stayed at my house for weeks and weeks, and I provided security for them and travel, and they're just great. So, we haven't been hearing a lot about them. I don't know what they're going to do with their entertainment career, but I thought that was interesting. And speaking of entertainment, Kim Kardashian, is going to be starring in a comedy called The Fifth Wheel,

and that is written by Paula Pal, who's a very funny writer, who comes from SN SNL she's written lots of movies and things and Kim is gonna be in it and producing it and I actually think that's a great move. I think that she could be great in it. I think it's a great way to get eyes on your movie and get it done and I think it's a smart move that she's moving into. So all of that fun and juicy. Okay so now speaking of the Kardashians and where they've come, as I said, I was part of this a documentary

and we have David on that was also featured. You're gonna hear from him and he goes way back to the very beginning of Kim and Ray Jay and he has the Insights group that wasn't even in real in the documentary and it was was a real juicy kind of juicy history, also conversation that we had. So let's get into that now. Well, I have a juicy one here.

I guess we would be co-stars in a dock. Yes. I don't know. I agree with David, wine, Trab. Wine Trab. Trab, Trab, wine Trab. We've known each other run through Hollywood, I've seen you through stuff, and then you contacted me because you're like,

have you watched the doc yet about House of Kardashians? I had not. Now I've watched the three episodes. You're in a lot of it. There's really not that many people in this that I saw. No. And there's only three episodes, but I feel like they,

do you think they're gonna release more? I feel like there's gotta be more. I mean, this thing is it only covered Chris, Kim, and really Kylie. So it's like, it only really covered to, right, to like Kylie's success. Yeah. So there's a lot, I mean, they didn't use a lot of stuff.

I mean, we shot a lot of stuff. They didn't use a lot. They didn't tell any stuff about me being Scott Disick's manager too. They left that whole thing out to not make the correlation that I was Ray J's manager and Scott Disick's manager at the same time. Okay, so David, let's just get a little background on you.

So you are like a Hollywood kid, but you went on the business side. Like what is your story? Well, my story is I grew up in Beverly Hills and I grew up, you know, amongst the Beverly Hills high. No, I went to Curtis and then I went to Montclair Prep and I studied business at USC. Oh, okay. So I grew up in the private school system and I come from a family of, you know, doctors, lawyers and professors.

But being in that private school system, you have so many families. Oh, I thought you your parent, I thought one of your parents or both of them were part of the movie business. Well, everybody thinks that I'm a cherry wine treb son, but you didn't understand that. And I grew up with cherry wine trebs kids. So they always thought that we were all brothers and sisters. But you were not related. We're not related. Oh, got it But once a wine treb always a wine treb and we're all friends and one of my best friends

Married Jerry's daughter Sean Stewart just married Jody wine treb. So it's all intertwined and John and Sean Stewart is the son of Of Rod Stewart. We had a TV show together called the son of Anarchy, right? Sons of Hollywood. Like Sons of Hollywood. For Annie. Yeah. Sons of Hollywood.

And it was you and spelling. Yep. What was his name? Randy. Randy Spelling. It was just a three of you. Three of us. Just a three of you.

Yeah. A reality show. Yeah. And this was and that was before the Kardashians came out. It was two year. We shot it in. We before the Kardashians came out. It was two years. We shot it in, we made the D-105 shot at No 6, came out at No 7. And okay, so you finish SC and you go right into being an agent

or training for an agent. Well, okay, so when I was like 15, I got a job at InnerScope, and I turned into a job as an A&R at Death Row Records. Oh, wow. And I was doing that while I was in high school and then going into college. And then during college, I worked at Death Row Records in the heyday of when it was the biggest label in the world and two-pock and shug and a piece of... So you did that and then you went to college? I, I, InnerScope to Death Row, then I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, was born in Paris, Hilton and Nicole Richie. We signed all of them. So as I was like supposed

to be reading scripts for, you know, Johnny Depp and Harrison Ford, I was really focusing on getting projects made for kids that I grew up with because I saw that there was a business for the Celeb U spawns. So I was at the 4.5. I love that name. Yeah, so I mean that that was it. So love you spawn. So my first client, which actually got me promoted to agent at UTA was parasolton. So. And at that time, what was she doing? She was, she was, she was our, that was Randy Spelling's girlfriend for many years. Oh, that's right. I read her book. It was very good. Yeah. So you're a good funsatory, right? Yes, I love Tories. Tories are considered to me that it's family.

Their dad was really like a, you know, like a godfather to me, because my dad passed away when I was three years old, so Aaron treated me like a son. I mean, I've never learned more and had more love from, you know, anyone who taught me so much about life and business and Aaron was the greatest. That's awesome. But Paris was around the spellings a lot and then she started to kind of pop in the magazines.

And here I am, Mr. like Sutant High, agent guy at, you know, UTA. And we're looking into this new media division. So the new media division, when I was at William Morris, it was run by Ben Silverman. Ben Silverman was there as an agent. He had this new media department. And then at UTA, they had a new media department ran by Chris Cullen. And Chris Cullen is a huge TV producer now. He's got monster, monster hits. And I was in a different department, but I had the relationship to get Paris. So when we got Paris brought her in, brought her to the team, got her, you know, the deal with, you know, Murray and Fox and got

put her in a bunch of movies. So I have a question. Did the simple life come before or after the sex tape was released with parent one night in Paris? Um, well, again, the timeline of these things are all different. The sex tape was shot before the simple life was bought, but it came out to coincide with the releases of it. So it sort of amplified the ability for the visibility on there because the sex tape helps kind of drive the marketing of a linear television at the same time. And what is the story with that sex tape?

She had sex with a boyfriend at the time. What was his name again? Rick Solomon. Rick Solomon, which I thought what was so interesting about Rick Solomon is. So he films it, right? That she's aware or not, who knows, but they filmed it. And then he released it.

How did he release it? Well, see, we got to go back to something here that keeps coming up in all these interviews of his discussions. You cannot release a sexting, okay? That it doesn't work that way. Anybody that ever says that we release the sexting, there is no such thing as doing that.

If you have a quantifiable physical copy of a DVD, something that you can get on pay per view, something that you can download, something that you're paying for in a paywall. There is a deal, there is a distribution. It's not like leaking something, is putting like a clip on YouTube and seeing if it gets taken down. That's leaking something. Sex tapes are not leaked. They are sold to corporations that distribute videos and people get a split and an advance and they get paid. It's just like a record deal.

So for everybody out there that thinks that it's like, oh, well, they leaked it. Everybody's got a sign on the dotted line. People. So then what was, this is where I've always been so confused. And I watched the entire Tommy and Pamela movie, which I think was like pretty accurate to what happened. That happened before Paris.

And so then with Paris, the Solomon calls her up and is like, hey, I'm gonna sell this with her without you, but wouldn't legally, she have to consent. Yes, she did have to consent and she did consent. And so there wasn't like, oh, boohoo, this mean boyfriend did this to me. Like if she would have said no, if she would have said absolutely not,

could he have still done the deal without her? He couldn't have made money off if you would have said absolutely not, could he have still done the deal without her? He couldn't have made money off of it and profited from it, but he could have released it. But in this day and time, releasing that, that's like, that's illegal. That's a crime now. Right, go back then. Go back, okay. Go back, okay.

Or a porn revenge. A porn revenge, yeah. That's a, that's a foul one. Yeah. So you can't do that. Okay. So they had a deal with a company called red light Okay, and red light was a distribution company that was able to take the content that he shot put it in a DVD and then distribute it So ultimately when they knew that like the leaks were happening a little clip a little clip here

He probably he may have done those. I don't know the real story of how that happened. It was like, it's out. You might as well get the money out of it because you're going to lose either way. And that's basically what happened to Pam and Tommy is that they had the release of it and then the deal came. Isn't it crazy that when you watch that and how much pain and you watch her documentary and how much pain this sex tape caused her rightfully so. And then she goes and marries Rick Solomon, not once, but twice. Isn't that a bizarre?

I mean, weird. It's a weird little world, you know? Weird little story that like doesn't make a lot. Like the worst thing that ever happened to you unless he told her something, not the story we know, and was like, look, yeah, I just saved two, but we were completely in planning and goods, and it was not anything that she didn't want. Would you like to get married?

Then maybe Pamela was like, okay, I mean, I don't know. But it seems pretty weird that you'd fall in love with someone who hurt another girl in a way that you were hurt. I mean, you're talking about some super duper, really crazy wild partying off the chain people. So who knows what's going on. Good point. And they're my neighbors.

We all live in Malibu. See them all the time. In the boot. Yeah. Okay. So, you're signing Paris and they must have loved you, UTA for that. You had the connection to all these people. They didn't, they didn't,

because UTA was such a weird, dark place at that time. And I had worked so hard to like, you know, be in my suit and tie every day and have my 9-11 convertible, my expense account and go to every premiere. But it was like, it was really weird. There was a group of agents that were all against another group of agents.

And like, we had the biggest people in comedy and it was like wars there and it was just a sick place but I was really good at finding town. And I was not really good at like reading the scripts and be like, oh here's this part for you. I was a deal maker. I was like a signer. That's what I did.

And for them they didn't really understand that, you know, every night I would go home and I would have dinner with their own spelling. And he, you know, I had this other kind of life outside of there. And they didn't see what my full, full potential was, which is why I created my show, Sons of Hollywood, took all my clients and left the company with all of our stuff. Because it was like, I didn't want to be there to fight like every as an agent in a big place like that. Basically, you get your salary.

You make like, you know, at that time, it was making like $300,000 a year. And then you have to negotiate your bonus. And every year they fucked me on my bonus. And I'm like, listen, I'm not going to go and make this 300K and then go and make, you know, millions of dollars for this company. And then you're not gonna give me a piece of it. So why would I do that? And that's why I went on my own and for my own company. So you don't have to share with the people that take from you. Right, right. So, it's like being an employee versus having your own company.

Well, the agency business is glamorous as it looks. It's really just like you field phone calls. You know, like I build careers, like I create content, I create TV shows, I'm a partner with my clients. It's a little bit different. Yeah. And the agency's like, Hey, what do you got? We got a call. And then they call you and say, Hey, we got this, but they try to make themselves like the genius.

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The festive special only at Swiss Shalai. Visit Swiss Shalai.ca for contest details while supplies last. Okay, so, um, so you get this show, the sons of, um, Hollywood. What was it? Yes. Yeah, sons of Hollywood and, well, I'm still at U.T.I. So I was a talent agent there and I created the show and I never told them what I was doing,

but I gave them a packaging fee on it. So they got the packaging fee. So my guys didn't have to pay commissions. I carved out my ownership in the show, carved out my place in the show, made the deal and just waited to see and then I went to New York, we did up front, stay announced the show. The cat was out of the bag,

a UTA went fucking crazy. They're like, you're starring in the fucking show too, they couldn't figure out what it was. So I just kind of was like, was that on E? That was on A&E. And so how many seasons did you do with that? We did 20 episodes of it.

So basically, they did kind of like a double window where it aired throughout the year and it kind of felt like it was like it was sort of like. Did you enjoy being a reality star and filming it and kind of planning out the storylines and the bits and all that? Well, there was no planning going on. That was nine months of a straight documentary about three best friends that moved into a house together and lived their lives together and a lot of crazy shit happened.

They shot us 24 hours a day. JT Taylor, who did the Osborns. That was my physical producer, my co-creator of the show. And it was Aaron Spelling died during the middle of the show, so that was all documented. Tori hadn't even been in a reality show at that time. We had the first reality show.

We took you inside the spelling manner for the first time ever in the history of TV. Everybody wanted to see that, but you know, it was, it was groundbreaking at the time, but it was in a time that was like post Laguna Beach in the hills and the Osborns, but pre-Cardashian. So I know that's, that's a weird way to look at it, but we were trying to find our element of how a show would work and there weren't sit-down interviews in this show. So it was all narrated by me and Sean and Randy. And basically there weren't strong female characters in the show.

It was about boys being boys. It was reality on tarage. And I think that like people saw it as like it was pretty wild. It was an aggressive show. And that's a show where Scott Disick moved to LA and met Courtney on the set of our show. And that's why I started managing him because they're so now. So let me just tell you the conflicting stories of how Courtney and Scott met. Okay. Okay. So you said they met on this on the set of your show. Yes. I have been told that She was at Joe Francis's house with a group of people

maybe with Kimberly Stewart and Scott was also there that was after that was after meeting at our house. Oh, so maybe that's Maybe that's the first day. That's the real man started Okay, but the meeting was at the Sons of Hollywood house. And then that, because we all grew up together. Like I grew up with the Kardashians. He didn't. We, you know, he met them through us, through me and Sean.

Who did? Scott. Oh, Scott. Yeah. So then Scott, okay, because I remember the, I was there for the, for the first episode of the Kardashians. They're like, will you come and film the anniversary party?

Right. The finale. No, was that the finale or the first? No, I feel that was the first episode. Well, the first episode was all really at the house with the barbecue and all the stuff that like Jeff Jenkins and Farnass shot. I, the episode I was in, I don't know if it was the first episode of the final episode of the first season.

Yeah, but it was the first season and it was their 16th-20 anniversary party and Chloe gets like male strippers. And the little girls are spinning on the stripper pole, which is in Chris's bedroom. Okay. And so anyway, so that was the first time and I had already hung out with Courtney some and I'm like, who is the sky that you're with? And that they were very into each other at the time. And so then that was her dude until he wasn't.

I mean, so I really fucked that thing up. He had it real good. I think he's pretty upset with you. Yeah, I do want to say, what I was just thinking about Scott to say the other day, like what is he up to now? Because it's like,

then he had a couple very young girlfriends. Like the Sophia Richie, you know, who's now married and some other girl. Oh, he dated Lisa Renna's daughter for a minute. Yeah. And now I just feel like, what is he doing? Just doing those being a dad and, you know, doing the luxury lines. I mean, I guess. I know. These 20 accounts to win a little, we have a ton bag or whatever.

The problem was Scott through the run of my time managing him. Yeah. How many years did you manage him? I managed him originally in the beginning, the first like two seasons of the show, then we took a break and then he came back. Season nine, 10. So then did you negotiate his own fee? He got his own fee starting second season of the show

and it was really low. Oh. And then we got it really high. So some of the bigger deals that he did, like toward the end, those are all stuff that we helped orchestrate. Okay, so then what, why did you guys break up? Well, it had a lot to do with Chris not liking the fact

that I was managing Rage and Scott. So I had really too much information about both camps. And you know, are when you have like adjacent people that have such a history together, like Scott is his own, you know, charlatin of a human being too. So you have to remember he, the information that he gets and how that gets passed off and the information that RayJ has

and how that gets passed off. And you have people having wars in the press and all this stuff. It was all kind of too interconnected, but at the end of the day, people go where the money is and I'm somebody that always brings the money. So when you bring the money, you're gonna always have the clients.

So, okay, so, you've been working with Rage A for 17 years now, you said. Yes. And so obviously you're working with him when he was dating Kim. And we see in the- Post Kim, because that's like, he, the Kim Rage J relationship ended in around 2006.

Oh, and then, and then, yeah. And then, yeah. But we see we all had separate relationships. Like I knew Ray J originally because he was friends with Shugs, so I know him from death row. And I know Kim separate from high school with that whole world. So we're all intertwined together and then it's a connectivity of relationships

that happen at different times. But Scott and I and RayJ, like I had them together at the same time for a number of years managing both of them. Well, one of the things that I thought was super interesting and kind of a great lesson for anybody is RayJ's friend, I think it was his friend, or maybe it was you. That said, when so it was his friend, or maybe it was you, that said when,

so Kim was doing the closets, and that's what I knew her. I saw her, yeah. And I remember I went to her condo in West Hollywood because I was showing Courtney, I was a realtor. Yeah. You know, I was showing Courtney places. Where's the video of that? I want to see you.

So, I'm out, so this is- I wasn't on that. I mean, this is a cool, a cool, a cool show. New show alert,. New show alert. Heather takes real estate. I was a realtor for a really long time and I let my life go. Once I got it Chelsea lately. I don't want to be a realtor anymore.

I do talk a lot about a real estate and I interview a lot of realtor's because I'm still into it. But anyway, so we go to look at some places in Kim's building and that's what went off Robertson that one. Yeah, like it was her like her first place. Yeah. And and my husband actually was a mortgage broker at the time, so he like redid the loan for her.

And then, but then we found the Calvassus place for Courtney. And I'm watching all this stuff about what a negotiator Chris is. And Caitlin's talking about what a great negotiator she was and stuff. And she was. So I show Courtney this condo and it's like 800,000 or 850 or something in this cut area of cowbasses.

And I don't only show her like maybe two days worth of stuff. And so she wants to make the offer and I'm like, okay, great, you know, we'll get it going. And then Chris called me and she's like, hi, tall. So Courtney really loves the condo. I think it's a great place for her. I'm like, yeah. And she goes, but we're only willing to pay this much.

And so I don't know how you could make that work. And I'm like, I just, I knew what she was getting at. And I'm like, well, I can take off a half a percent of commission with that work for you. And she's like, oh, that's great, doll. So I wanted to. So, but I'm like also really. Did you have a kick back too?

No, no, no, but it was, it was, I remember. I would have. I remember it was, it was like, most of the commission was only two and a half on the buyer side, and that particular one was already 3%, so I actually was like, okay, with doing the two and a half. But also, in my mind as a realtor, I'm like, you know what, let someone feel like they got a little bit

of a deal, I only showed her two days worth of stuff, and I like her, and I was like, who cares? But I also was like, you know what? Ask for the deal. Like ask for the discount, ask for the deal. It doesn't matter how much you get. I thought that was really smart. Why not?

Like, you got to be, that's how you stay rich. Yeah, yeah. So I just, I respected her for it. I wasn't at all like bothered by it. I was like, no problem. Let's do the deal. Did you do the deal? Yeah. Oh, that's great. Yeah. And that was the first connoissee and like, think, you know, when she's with Scott and Chloe lives there and all that type of stuff.

Right. And at that time, she didn't have the TV show. Yeah. She was like, She really wasn't Courtney didn't really want to do the show. I mean, originally, it was, you know, it was, it was really Chris and Kim's thing that they put together with Ryan and Vuna Murray. And then everybody kind of got dragged into it. When I first went out to lunch with them for the very first time, I went to the smooch store, the baby store, and then we all went out to lunch and I had my son who's now almost 18.

He was like in a stroller. Wow. And we go out to lunch and I'm like, I hope this doesn't bother you, but I gotta ask about OJ. And it was Courtney and Chris. And they were, I thought they would be totally grossed out that I asked and they weren't. And they like really told me all about it.

And I was like, what was it like? Courtney, what was, and she's like, well, she kind of took our dad's side because we felt like nobody was taking his side. So Courtney and Kim were kind of like, you know, because they felt so weird like going in between. And anyway, so, and then when I was talking to her,

she was like, and then I realized, wait, you've been on that cattle show, cattle. What was that called, cattle? Filthy Rich cattle drive. Courtney Sommel was on that. Yeah, and she told me how to have it. She goes, I was with my other friend Courtney. Yeah.

And she was like, oh, they were literally like in the card of gathered. And she's like, I have to stop by this thing, this casting. And she went and she was like, I mean, literally every single one of my friends, it's their dream to be on a reality show, but I didn't even wanna do it. But she went with her and kinda got talked into it. And she was like, oh my God, it was awful. We couldn't have her phones and I hated it, whatever. Then, so then we start hanging out,

going to some things, whatever. We're like friends. Chris and the girls. Like, because I was like, I'm my age, I'm like and Chris, are you? Chris and the girls. Like, cause I was like, I'm my age, I'm like literally, I'm in between Chris and the girls. And I really thought they were like, really fun and you're seeing talk to you.

So we go out for another lunch that my baby is at. And Chris goes, I have the most exciting news. Kim was out with Paris and they started filming, they were filming something for the simple life and they didn't know if Paris's Chihuahua was pregnant. And Kim goes, well, let's have it, Piana Pregnancy test. And the producers found it, I think, so amazing. And Paris said to Kim, Kim, I want you to be my new best friend and on the show.

And I remember I was like, oh, I thought she wanted to be like a TV host or fashion person. She wanted wild on, that's what she wanted. Yeah, wild on. Yeah, do you remember, but I remember I was a little bit surprised. I'm like, oh, I didn't even know she had any aspirations to be like an actress or anything. Cause she was like into this clothing store

and like doing the closet thing. And so then, but then of course the deal kind of came about and it came about the same summer that I started at Chelsea lately. She's like, we, like I had already started Chelsea lately and she came to my house for my birthday party

with Bruce at the time, which he said it's okay to say that. So it was Bruce and Chris and Chloe and Courtney. They all came to my house and the little little birthday party for like my 36 or 7th birthday or something. And she's like, yeah, we got the show. And I go, what network? And she goes, eat.

I'm like, oh my God, I'm starting a show on E2. And then we couldn't get any guests for the show. And the EP was like, oh my God, do you know anybody? And I'm calling Jennifer Coolidge, and I'm calling Marlon, and he's like, I've got nothing to promote. And I'm like, okay, I know this is weird,

but I know the woman who's married to Bruce Jeter, and they're supposed to have some show that's coming out. And so I like text her, and I'm like, is there any way, and I'm like, but I know, like, we got to have her on to. And I go, and so that day, literally, like, within two hours, they came, and the show was like gonna happen, but I don't even think it was for, and they're like, we're, and they did these jokes about like, well, I'm with these girls that are about to get their period, the little girls,

and then I'm with a woman who's going through menopause, and I'm stuck in the middle of all these ladies. Like that was the joke. It's a legendary show. I gotta see this thing. Yeah, and then Chelsea, we did this stupid sketch where the Chelsea, like, raced him in the parking lot afterwards.

And they were both on it. It was like funny. And like I like save the day because I like didn't know. It was like the first week. I don't even say like maybe the writers striking me a begun or maybe it had. I don't know. But it was like and then so then every time they came on the show like then I'd see them. I'd be invited to the parties.

And you know, I always made sure that there wasn't a mean sketch about them. Right. You know, because they could take the jokes, but never mean always, you know, supportive and fun. And so that's, that's wild. That's a lot of craziness. I want to get into on the show. It's interesting because you and Joe France is kind of conflict in your recollection of

how the sex tape got done. Well, listen, Joe is a very nice guy. And he was definitely a groundbreaking producer and exploiter. And he did very well, but he's off the deep end and his recollection is wrong. And we have all the receipts, Ray J and I, to like what happened. And you know, it's okay for him to put the narrative out there because he believes that that's what he wants to put out there because maybe Chris and them will be happy with him

for doing that. But, but, but, but, but, but, listen, if you see what he said, you can't say anything is leaked when you're talking about contracts being signed. There was never a contract signed ever in a Joe Francis office. Every contract that was ever signed happened in Steve Hersch's office. Who on vivid?

Period. So it's okay. You can eat the bullet, go for it. It's all good. The big thing and the reason why Ray spoke out last year and why I was really willing to be a part of his, there comes a point where you can't keep doing recycling the same narrative and the same kind of like, oh, this is the story and this is what we fold the world with. Because when you, when you, when everybody's got to play their part, which everybody did,

Kim played a part, Chris played a part, Ray played a part, tapes came out and money was made, TV shows were launched, millions and millions of dollars were made, everybody's playing a different role. If you continue to use that role, but then the role gets a little bit more negative and it's hurting other people's businesses and their livelihoods and their children

and their vives and everything. There comes a point where we gotta say, hey, enough's enough. Just because you sat on Oprah's couch and like cried and said it was leaked and then now you're gonna have to eat that you lied about that, it's a different story. People did a lot of different things early on

in their careers that they're not gonna do today in their careers. So you have to remember, this is all a marketing game. This was a game to create content, to create businesses, to create TV shows, and to most of all, make money and make stars. And that is what you have the product of here today. So if there's confliction going on, I know what I've lived through with my side and with Ray. And I know what they live through on their side. And you know, this

is just finally a time that people are saying, Hey, there's a little bit more to it than what you actually have pushed out there. And Hulu, you know, by the way, all love to Hulu, but the way the Hulu producers did the launch of the new show because they were, you know, by the way, all love to Hulu, but the way the Hulu producers did the launch of the new show because they were, you know, second fiddle to the real first hit is that they, they, all they had to do, all they, all they could figure out, because they had no original ideas, was to redo the same fucking storyline, but they did it in a way that was. Which for the sex tape. And it didn't cut in not a friendly way to right.

Raise my brother and I will always protect him. And we've lived through so many incredible things in our business and our friendship that like I got to protect my guy. So what we saw in the opening, which I thought was really interesting, that like the e-show started with the sex tape and then 17 years later, whatever the hell it is, we're seeing the Hulu show. It ain't nothing new. And it's about the sex tape and then 17 years later, whatever the hell it is, we're seeing the Hulu show as- It ain't nothing new. And it's about the sex tape.

Yeah, it's kind of embarrassing for those producers. And then, and so what was the story with Kanye coming in with a suitcase and like here's the extra tapes? What was that about? Well, so let's, let's, if we're really gonna talk about this and really get into this kind of stuff,

you got to understand, okay. Communication, as much as you may think that like people didn't talk to each other, there still was communication between Ray and Kim way back when. And then there was communication obviously when this stuff broke between them now and we have all the receipts of that as well. But Kanye started to really, when he, in a world of desperation where he was really trying to save his family, save his relationship, he reached out to Ray and felt that he had to fix the relationship with Ray himself to then get that to be the saving grace that proved his family that like I

did this thing. But the thing is the content and the briefcase, that was all stuff that she already had, the stuff that was given on that drive. This is all stuff that like Steve Hirsch and it was background stuff that was used in the actual DVD. So it wasn't like, oh my god, there's another sex tape that exists in clubs. It was just extra footage. There is another sex tape that exists. And the other sex tape that exists, Ray doesn't have it. Kim has it. So when you're going, it exists, he has it. That's not true.

You know, they're, you know, I, we can't go into like every single thing. But like, they, they, the, the, the, the can't go into like every single thing, but like they they they the the the the the the tape that God distributed was from a real trip that they went on where they basically you know, that was real content that they thought became a value. And when they saw that there was a deal to be made, they actually went and shot another trip and another trip of content that was almost two pornographic and that didn't get released.

Got it. So, I mean, I don't feel like we're breaking, I feel like. I don't think we're breaking. I don't think we're breaking anything. Like, like, you guys need to read between the lines. Everybody doesn't read between the lines. You all think that somebody crying on Oprah means that whatever they're saying there is actually true.

When you're signing contracts, Joe Francis says contracts are signed. You can't say something was leaked. It's impossible. The lawsuit was fake. Like that lawsuit was only done where they sued Vivid was just to be done to be done. It's not a real thing.

Like why do you think it got dropped? It was like, it's an exercise. And in that, it was like, it was tick to show like the outrage kind of. My collection of what that suing was, was that that was an exercise to say to the community that we're mad and we're doing this. Right, and out of the blue.

But when we settle it, then the money can flow. So, I mean, I don't think anyone... For both sides. Yeah. This was big money for Ray. This was big money for them. And the thing is that I think it's fine that we talk about it and everything because it was always so confusing and I've heard it from Joe Francis' side off the record, on

the record. I'm hearing it from you. Joe doesn't do record on the record. I'm hearing it from you. Joe doesn't do anything on the record. Well, he's told me some things that has not been shared there. Joe, come to the United States and let's have a conversation. Well, sit down and we'll bring Ray, we'll bring him, we'll sit at the level form and we'll tell the real story. But you're not allowed in the United States.

I also feel that people definitely don't care. Like, even if she did do all this, I don't think it's not gonna make them not buy the skims. You know, it just doesn't matter. Here's what it does, honestly. You have like the Anna Winters and the Oprah's and you know, the big female strong media figures which obviously Chris and Kim have

become in their own right. You have to be careful what you've said 17 years ago to get to that place and then it now comes back up now because you got to be careful how you jab the other guy because the other guy at a certain point is only going to take like you know so many years of abuse and like having to live through the ringer and Some of the stuff that they said in the show Was really troubling for right I Went off the deep and I mean Ray called me The rule or the rule who know the first one everybody was on the same they knew Ray had his show

Ray had the number one show on VH1, they had the number one show on E, they were popping. Chucks were coming in, albums were on the radio, I mean, they were doing it. The thing is now you have a guy who's married, he has a wife, he has two children, he has a board of directors on an electronics company that's worth a couple hundred million dollars

that he has to answer to. We have our own networks that we have the answer to. We have shows on multiple networks. We have people that expect certain things from us. It can hurt the businesses. So you have to at certain point do something. He was very depressed. I mean, I felt as though Ray Jay was really,

really upset this time. It was not the same kind of like shake it off. I hit it first guy. It was, this is really hurting this time. It was not the same kind of like shake it off. I hit it first guy. It was, this is really hurting my home. This is really hurting my mind. It's not fair that a corporation, the size of Hulu and a family that's already got so much money that they're gonna go and let this happen again. But I can't, I'm not gonna place blame on Kim and Chris and that's not who did it. It's the these dodgy producers that make the show that like this is all they could think of because they're just glad to be in the seat. They have seconds on the Kardashian show. That's it. I mean, I, I totally see it for what it is and it's, it is sad that somebody will just choose,

you know, one episode of a TV show or podcast or whatever, and use someone for content and not realize or realize that you are jeopardizing someone's whole reputation, which all of our businesses is our reputation, we all are ourselves. And so it's like, I totally see why that would be really upsetting to him. And, you know, I think what I thought was really interesting

is when I saw the SNL model. I was gonna tell you about how that day happened. So you... Okay, let me just first just say what I thought was so interesting is when I worked as a writer-producer on Chelsea lately, no matter what the topic was for Kardashians, and we'd have other comedians come on, I never prepped the other

comics. That was someone else's job. I'd write her jokes and mine or whatever. And but the producers would say right away if there's a Kardashian topic, you cannot make a joke about sex tape. No reference to the sex tape, no reference to Rageite, no nothing. That can never be part of your punchline about the fact that she bought a pair of jeans or whatever the stupid story was. And that was a direct order from me. That was really the only thing, the only real rule we had to follow from eat.

Everything else we could say or do, they were never at our studio, they were never telling us, don't do this, don't do that. That was just the one thing and we always respected it. So I thought it was really interesting that when she goes to do the SNL sketch, she's telling on herself, she's joking about the sex tape. She has no choice there.

She's on a rich, that's a real place. I mean, when you're finally doing SNL, like you're with the legends, you've now crossed over even more into the zeitgeist of actual a-list celebrity. So you're going to have to do this stuff that like there is no boundary there. What's interesting about that time is that that is the weekend that Ray and Kanye met. And it was a lot of build up to the meeting

because Ray was gonna do it. And Kanye wanted to film it and take pictures and do a whole kind of publicity stunt with it and all this stuff. And Ray said absolutely not. They met very early in the morning. Kanye came, he flew in, he flew, he flew commercial, I think in like a coach seat actually, because it was like the meeting had happened at a certain time. He wanted to come back to New York and be the savior and Ray, they met at the private terminal at LAX and they spent, you know hours together kind of just you know being together and

Looking at some of the content and looking at what really existed and and Ray did give him some content and But but the whole goal of that thing is that was to be a private matter It wasn't to be a okay. This is now gonna be in the Hulu show and Kanye is the savior and I came in SNL And and here's the thing and I got it. And then I'm going to destroy Ray's life by doing that. No, that's not what the agreement was. And he... So Ray didn't know that till he saw the episode.

Absolutely. I mean, we got wind of it probably like three weeks before the show came out. And it just started to urk him a little bit because it was... It was a lot of... It was a lot of, it was a lot of, we know where this is going and like, why are they doing it again? Because at the same time, like, he was dealing with the board of directors of his company, Raycon, and they were about to have a huge, huge, huge sale. And what happened that week affected a major part of the price of the company. And it was a big deal. So it was kind

of timing on a lot of things that were happening. And then when it came out, it was just so ridiculous how they cut it. And it was just not factual because they agreed that this was going to be a private matter. And that it was never really going to be talked about. But once Kanye goes off the rails and did that, we had no choice. You know, now that what's funny is that, you know, Ray and Kanye have really squashed their whole, whatever, back and forth. And there, you know, there is an open dialogue. They spent time together. They flown together.

They've gone places together. What's your opinion of Kanye walking around Italy with this legal wife or not legal wife where she's just in, you know, new dialogues walking around Italy. What do you think is going on there? It's some bizarre artistic weird controlling movement of whatever he thinks is like how he wants his image to be. I mean, listen. He changes his image. When you think about, he changes his image so much. Yeah. Like, first it was, you know, I'm this fascinista.

Then it's like, remember when they did the video where she's like on the motorcycle? Like, like, that all stuff. Then he becomes a super Christian. Yeah. I guess to have his own church, you know, which is the ultimate right off, right? Or you don't pick, not right off, you don't pay taxes.

And then they have that moment where he's like, I think your dress is too sexy for the Met. And that was on the Kardashian show. And she's like, go on your Christian journey, but you can't tell me this the night before, where the wet dress or whatever. Then now he has his new wife like with her tits out in like a sheer thing.

So I'm like, you know, and then all his weird rants along the way. Yeah, it's a bizarre thing. And celebrity and power and money and all of the things and the journey is an evolution of your brain and it doesn't affect everybody the same way.

I mean, you know, what I notice with a lot of celebrities and stars that I work with, and it really, you know, people start to think that they are the president of the United States and like everything in the world actually functions around them. Certain stars do. Certain stars do. Yeah, and it's like sometimes you've got to bring them

a little bit down the earth so that you realize that it's not everything has to do with you. It's a little bit of an ego thing too. And I think that he just, he would, they went so hard on him in the press, he went so hard back that like it is, it is traumatic on your brain that it completely changes who you are. So you're dealing with this post, you know, ran through the Kardashians Kanye West who

still trying to get his image and his life back on after being through so much. I mean, do you have any prediction or insight of what you think he is trying to accomplish? Is it going to come back to music or where he is? He's always going to do music. He's always going to do fashion. He's always going to get, he's rich. He's going to do what he does in just different ways. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

He's Kanye West is a genius. I mean, it's one of the most outspoken creative artists of all time, but he's, he's got his own issues too, but that's sort of the beauty of who he is at the same time. It just doesn't, people don't, there's people in the world that don't like it. They just can't deal with it. They wanna talk shit about him and I think that's how we got.

What do you think about this story about how supposedly the wife can't speak and she has to eat certain things? I haven't heard any of that. I personally think she's in on it. First I thought, oh my god. She's in on it. First I thought, this was my best friend or sister, I'd be so concerned.

And the articles are coming out, like, oh my god, people are concerned. And who knows if it's even true, right? And I'm like, listen, hopefully she's calling up her girlfriend's being like, I have the, I'm creating my own Nile on's, you know, because that's the only thing he allowed her to wear. She's a business. Like, I'm thinking, hopefully it's something that, then I'm like, well, if she really is the wife now, they're saying they are legally married, then something happens to him.

She really holds the bag and her dad is like some mafia king in Australia. Wow. So I'm like, I don't think she's some dumb, dumb, you know, walking around that he picked up that's like looking at him like, they're all having a good time, let him live. I mean, yeah. I mean, do you think it's like detrimental?

She's gonna be hurt. Like it's like, it's not kidnap. They're living the good life. I don't, I'm not worried about her anymore. I actually think she, there's some, it'll be interesting to, I actually think she's like,

she might be in on it to a level he doesn't know that she's in on it. Is now on it. Genius marketers. Genius marketers. I mean, we keep talking about it. Kim and Chris, Ray J, Kanye West,

genius marketers. Yeah. So what's some like fun memories you have? You know, the timing of a lot of the breakouts in non-scripted TV like Paris and the Cole, the genders, the stewards, the spellings, the Kardashians, into the hills, into Laguna Beach, you know, there was that interesting circle that everybody knew each other. We all grew up in the same worlds. We all knew each other and everybody

wanted to having their own shows and kind of creating this movement of the new pop culture, pre-influencer. And I think a lot of influencers came from the desire to want to be a part of those shows. And influencers today, and I manage a lot of really powerful influencers, and they are the richest, most powerful new celebrities

in the game, and they're a lot of fun to work with, and they print money, and they have opportunity like no other, because it's all based on an analytic, so you can get your money very easily based on like what your likes and comments and all that good stuff are, which we can talk about later with the Hollywood Handbook. But when I had sold Sons of Hollywood, we knew what we had shot

and we didn't know if it was gonna be a big giant hit or what it was gonna be. And we were preparing for daughters of Hollywood. And daughters of Hollywood was a cast that we had put together and it was going to be Kim, Kim Stewart, Kim Kardashian, Kim Stewart, and Courtney Sommel. So that was the cast. And Courtney is really the one.

Courtney Sommel. Yeah. It was really the one that organized that whole group together to bring me the cat side. I wanted Courtney to be like the centerpiece of it. And she's like, I'm like the two people that I should do it with. I'll do it with Kim and I'll do it with, uh, Kim Stewart with Kim Kardashian, Kim Stewart. And that's the show that we ultimately put together. Chris brought Kim to a meeting. Chris came. They sat down. They agreed to do the show and

had that show been a hit. They probably would have did that one first, but obviously the Kardashian show came and took that. Oh, I think you said that on the House of Kardashians, right? I don't know if we talked about that, because they were looking for a show. Oh no, it was the other, and one of the episodes there was,

it was someone's lawyer. It was a lawyer that said, I had this whole deal done for, oh, it was when they talk about Black China and Rob, kind of a similar story. It's on the third hour. Yeah, so Rob and Black China, and Black China had this attorney,

and the attorney's being interviewed in the... Who's in it, Walter? He's a good looking young black guy. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. So he's being interviewed and he was Black China's attorney and Rob calls him and is like, Black China and our together, we wanna do our own show. So he does a whole show and sells it to like another network

because I guess Rob was on any contract because he was not been in the show for years. And then he said, and then Chris, I guess got wind of it and the whole deal fell apart and then it was gonna be at E. So that's kind of interesting. And then the whole deal with them, what happened when Black China felt that they intercepted

their show. And then that whole big lawsuit happened in which the Kardashians prevailed. And now it seems like they're kind of getting along, which is nice because the daughter. Yeah, kids. I mean, it's like you can't live in litigation with your baby mommas and the whole thing. It's a, it's sad, you sad. And what do they expect? They made choices to all be intertwined with each other. This is what you're going to get. It's very hard to beat a defamation gaze anyways.

So that was going to be a tough one anyways. I'm really surprised. I am kind of surprised that they continue with the show. I guess they continue with the show, the Kardashians, that they show. Well, you know who it's for. It's not for Kim. It's for everybody else.

Because they got to have a vehicle because everybody still needs to see, like I think that Kim is completely tuned out of the show. It's really there for Chloe, for Courtney, for Chris. Kylie's never been, Kylie hasn't been into it for a few years. They don't need to do it, but you gotta keep, you gotta push it till the wheels fall off. Yeah, I think it's that Chris doesn't want to give up the workingness of it,

the relevancy, because what I hear from a lot of like real housewives that I, you know, that I know, I'm friendly with, when they do get let go, it's like, wait a minute, it's September, where are all the, where's the crew? Why are they in my kitchen? It's like, it's like the first year you get out of college and you don't have a job. But it's like, where's my routine, where's my friends, where's my, and so I think, you know, that was just so weird when they do this big moment where they're crying to Brutum Murray, we're not going to do this show anymore when they already had a deal done. You know, and I think it's so weird that it's with James Corden's production company. Yeah. And like, what happened? Like, or it's not weird. I don't know. And then, and then, um,

you know, is that who produces the show? I don't. Yeah, he's like a producer on it. I mean, I know, I know some of the, I know some of the, the handlers that do the day-to-day there and there's no geniuses by any means. But I mean, I just think and I was like, I was really surprised. I wasn't surprised that it ended. I was surprised that they picked up somewhere else because I was like,

Well, they went for the money. I mean, the new deal was gonna be, because you're capped at E. Right. So you're capped. I mean, you've been, you know, I've done a million deals with E. You know, E.

E is a great place to be at that time. Yeah. Today, that is not a great place to be. There's the, you know, the advertising is down. And everything is down. So they can't do it. So being part of the Disney family, that completely jumped it up.

They got to hit one more lick, one more big couple hundred, you know, couple hundred million, 200 million out of another network do another couple seasons and then they'll be off to the next. One thing that Chris always said early on is like season 20, which I think they've already hit season 20.

Kylie gets married. She always said that and I swear to God, I think she was like, we're gonna do this until Kendall or Kylie get married and we like finish it with a bang on a wedding. I don't know. But and who knows that'll ever happen because I think the girls are like on a path of like, you were never going to get married.

I don't, we don't wanna get married, why would we or whatever, which I understand. But I think that, I guess I just thought like, you have all the businesses businesses you have all the money Why do why keep doing this show? But they do control the show and I guess even though I feel like they're not getting the stories about them right now the way they used to And the and whatever people are watching we already saw happen on Instagram months before so it's different than the way it was on the e-show I happened on Instagram months before. So it's different than the way it was on the e-show.

I guess it is a matter of just keeping working and being relevant. And funny enough, I mean, I think that this documentary that we're in was extremely well done. I think that they did a great job producing and funding it. It felt a lot like, you know, like succession. And I think that they told the story very fairly. There's no, there's nothing negative in it. It's, it,

this is not a negative story. This is a story of the American dream. This is a story of people setting out to go accomplish goals and creating brands and businesses and an empire. And people did it. And you literally are seeing it happen in like broken down how it happened. They should be proud of it. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's what I- I think Caitlin was completely fair in it too. Totally and that's why I mean, I've interviewed Caitlin for my show

and I was always just really fascinated and Chris and I was always very fascinated by the journey. And I think that's why my whole part was kind of talking about that. And I mean, I was happy to see it because I'm like, no, there's nothing negative that I said, and it's just the facts. No, I don't think so.

And it was like- You spoke very eloquently. And one thing I said that they didn't use it, was I was always like, anybody that's making money off of TikTok, Instagram, whatever, has to think the Kardashians because they were the first people to make that. I remember just when Twitter was popping, right? When it was, she came to my comedy show, Kim, and was like, oh my god, embarrassing. At Heather McDonald's, doing an impression of all of us or whatever.

And, you know, and I'm like, all of a sudden, I'm like, what is going on with my Twitter, you know, like, like seeing how powerful it is. And then there would be times where people would be like, Oh, Kim, can you just tweet this about this, and she was doing it first. And then I remember the day where, no, like I cannot do that anymore. Cause I get paid. I get paid and I can't, you know, it's just like anything. It's like taking a photo with one person at the restaurant and I'm going to take with everybody

for a famous person, whatever. And I like respected it and then making it such a profitable, making it a way of like the importance of it. And but I remember how she'd be like, like when I was at the store, the dash store, like Courtney's like signing her loan docs or whatever I had there. And somehow it was like summer or whatever, but I said, oh, you know, the best Halloween

costume ever, the most flattering has to be Wonder Woman. And she goes, oh, and she opens the sidekick. That's how long it goes. And she puts a note in there. And sure enough, the next, that fall, she's Wonder Woman, and she looks amazing in the outfit, and she's on the red carpet and all that kind of stuff. And so I think I was impressed with that.

She was always thinking in a smart way, like being, and also really organized. They were all super Organized in me and and and Ray and Ray is the same way. Yeah, I think that's why it was so amazing when you put Ray and Kim together that they were like But what I wanted to say what a cool part in the doc was when Ray and Kim are boyfriend and girlfriend and Kim's organizing the closets. And when I went to her condo that day, she's like, oh, I sell this stuff on the internet.

I buy the hot items and then nobody can get this hot designer item and then I sell it. And I was like, what? Like I didn't, you know, she had to do it on the camera and put it on the computer. And I was like, how do Like I didn't, you know, she had to do it on the camera and put it on the computer. And I was like, how do you do this? Like all the things that there's like basically eBay and stuff, like she was doing before anyone doing it.

And the kids are doing this now. Yeah, and so, and I'm seeing her closet and saw like, you know, Oregon, I think it was just, it was just a two bedroom condo in a building. And so, but in the show, then she goes, I'm gonna, I met Paris and she wants to help me,

she wants me to organize her closet. And if you've seen the Paris docs, Paris doesn't have the Kris Jenner organized gene that all the girls have. She's kind of like a man like a man. Yeah, should everywhere, like I can relate more to Paris than the girls. And Ray says, and I think you tell the story, Ray says,

borrow my Bentley, show up in the Bentley, she is a Bentley. Let her know that you, how did you say it? That let her know that you don't need this job, but you're happy to do it. And she'll see you on a different level. And Kim is very likable. So I can see why she makes good friendships. You know, and they made a real friendship.

There's an old statement out there. And I think a lot of people know it. I know, I know Dissick knows this real well, but Kim too, fake it till you make it. You got to remember that Kim worked for Brandy, Ray J's sister, was her assistant. That's how she meant Ray J, right? Ray J and Brandy.

Did she wait, was she dating Ray J first or working for Brandy first? She's working for Brandy. Oh. And, was she dating Ray J. First or working for Brandy first? She's working for Brandy. Oh. And then Ray snatched her. Okay. So you have to remember, they were a big monster celebrity family at that time.

They had big huge TV show, huge touring business, huge hit songs, Ray was popping. So Ray and her, you know, Ray had the Bentley. He's like, take it, go up there, you know, have the look. I remember. That's the fake it till you make it. Yeah, and I definitely remember they were definitely, they're all really charming.

And I remember that was the first time I was like, I kind of was like, yeah, you should try to be friends with, I kind of saw it. I mean, like, oh, she always tries to be friends with the richest, most successful person in the room. And she succeeds because she is a delightful person, Chris, and she is interesting, and she throws nice parties and you wanna go,

and then you go to the party and you meet other interesting, fun, nice people. So it's like, was really great. But I do remember one time being at one of those lunches and her saying, and then Courtney met, and this friend and their friends, and they have a jet, and I said, that's my girl.

And I was like, I'd never had even met someone that had a jet and that then, you know, trying to try to, you know, not see if I can be friends with someone with a jet. So the fact that she is now besties with Lauren Sanchez, when Lauren Sanchez was around for the last 20 years and was friends with Jillian Barbary and Chris, the way I know Chris is Jillian Barbary was doing skating with celebrities and Bruce was doing skating with celebrities and I was Jillian's guest.

And then we all meet and Chris and I look over and I'm like, who is this dark-haired gorgeous family? Watching, oh, that's Bruce's family. We all meet and she's like, come over to our house to watch the premiere of The Skating with celebrities. So I go over there, and then Kylie is on the intercom, this is how old the house was, there's those intercoms. And I was like, come up to the billiard room. Please, we have a show, Kendall and I have a show.

And we go up there and Kylie is like eight. And she has this outfit on this like a Halloween outfit, like a genie. And she's doing the Kipstote live Shakira dance. Really good. Like really dancing pretty good. And I'm like, this is so cute. And Bruce is like, oh, I think that's enough.

And he just picks her up. And it was those type of stories that I was like, Chris, like that is so funny. When you do your show, like that has to be featured, you know, like something about how Kylie was like really, kind of, they were into it, especially Kylie. Kylie would have like, was like the kind of they they were into it, especially Kylie Kylie would have like was like the funny little one and so

Yeah, I think that's just It's just interesting when I look back at how like you know, okay. Oh, so that so anyway I'm saying there were lots of opportunities to be friends with Lauren Sanchez back then right, you know And she and have all the other side of it But now I'm like, but now they I can see where they are friends, you know, she's didn't have all the other side of it. But now I'm like, but now they, I can see where they are friends. You know, she's marrying Jeff's having a good time with her. And they're on the same level and billionaires want to be friends with billionaires. Exactly. And they want to date billionaires ex wives and all of it.

It's like, it's a small circle. Yeah. It's always been that way. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's just a crazy world. This whole community of this next generation, because this is kind of like, I guess you would say the new money generation, you know, they're all intertwined with each other. And they're all going to the same events, being

seen together, dinners, all that stuff. But God bless them. Like, it doesn't matter. Enjoy your life. You've worked hard. You have a lot of comments for it. Let's go get it. We still want to work and make it happen. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, I think it's great. I'm like, you guys should be best friends. You should absolutely be on each other's yachts

and each other's planes and talk, you know, and being around the people that you know and like making deals right at right? Right out dinner. Right. And one meaning done. You want to this? That Amazon done. It is.

It is. Like done, done. So now, did you and Scott, are you still friendly? Um, I mean, Scott and I, you know, we see each other, but it's hard for me. See, the problem with Scott is, I love Scott as a person. I know he's been through a lot. And I just know him too, too well. I know his MO. I know his way of thinking,

I know how he speaks about people. I know his bad habits. I know where all the bodies are buried with him. So for someone who really is entire livelihood and everything he's done was kind of, you know, contributed to relationships that, you know, myself and Sean Stewart had indoors that were open by us to him and have not really any type of gratitude or grateful graciousness. And then the fuck people over on deals and do stuff like that.

It's just bad business and listen, I've been in the game a really long time. You know, I don't play with how that stuff happens. We do hold a grudge about stuff and And I did a lot of deals for him that he screwed over me and my company. And he's a very bad business guy. I walked this. I had a lot of, like, we had, you know, he was actually, it's funny.

He was actually Greenlit to be the host of, the reboot of Lifestyles and Rich and Famous for E. He would have been great. I had a big mega deal for him. And he's his own worst enemy because we had the deal episodes about to shoot. And he just like, the way he treats people and treats networks and people's time and stuff like that,

he could have had such the best show in the world, the easiest way, take over and he screws it up. And then you don't realize how much work people put in to go get signed for you or the stuff that you, you know, as a manager and as a producer, we have to eat a lot of shit for people that do stuff in a bad way, that create bad stuff for not only their relationships with buyers, but my relationships with them. So you had a whole thing going and they were like down and then he did a few he did enough things that made them go. Yeah, so he so he killed that happened before after he did his one season of the Scott

before he does a house before and then when you part of Scott doing a house. No, I wouldn't be a part of some garbage like that. I mean it would your idea is much better and much better. I know. Because the thing about Scott that is, is when he's on, he is funny. Yeah, but you gotta be. And the pompousness is funny. You gotta be on. Yeah.

See, the other thing with him too is like, that would have been good. Okay, listen, you have three beautiful children. You have a great girlfriend. You're now all super famous. You're printing money. You're doing your thing. I think that he knows how badly he fucked that up.

And now he has to live and watch that relationship and watch your getting married and watch this. Have a baby. And you're not part of it, then you should have really thought about it, but at the same time, Courtney, you should have thought about who you brought in your life, because you brought in this guy in your life who's really out of his fucking mind.

And that's what it'll be. And I'll challenge him any fucking day of the week to come and challenge anything that we're saying. Like this guy moved to LA. I didn't want him in Sons of Hollywood. That was my show. I created that show. I produced that show.

I started my show. So he was just featured on camera a little bit. No, he moved to LA to insert himself into that show. I started. So he was just he was featured on camera a little bit. No, he moved to LA to to insert himself into the show. But who did he know first? Sean. Uh, Sean. So Sean, Sean Stewart, Sean Stewart and him, Sean met Met Scott like, you know, and Sean's Sean's my brother, but Sean's like a little over the top and lost too. He met Scott and our Sean and Kimberly Stewart were they from the same mother? Yes. Alana. Oh, okay. And what's Kimberly Stewart doing now? I have no idea like living at her dad's. I mean, Kimberly's another one who like we I managed

Kimberly for many years. She's another one who had tons of opportunities, but her attitude and the way that she dealt with people, she screwed shit up. We had multiple TV shows. You want to hear a really funny story? This is a good one. Okay. So, there's a lot of rivalry between a lot of these families and the Kardashians before they made it.

They were really black sheep and a lot of ways. They were like outsiders. They were made fun of by Paris, by the stewards, by a lot of people. Everybody was all friends, but there was a degree that they were semi made fun of because of being involved in though Jason's and stuff and the thirstiness and they they, you know, they all, they, they, they hooked up with a lot. Like, it was, everybody was all slutty back then. The guys and the girls, but like, they were notorious. So, we talked about that show called the, the filthy rich cattle drive. Right. There was a kid that was in that show that was a prince. He was a prince of Italy or something. I know that something like that was some weird thing. So E had bought a show that I did a deal for with Kimberly Stewart and Kelly Osborne

and that prince from that show. And had Kelly bet on Osborne's yet? Yes, Osborne's already happened. So Kelly was looking to make a comeback. Kim was popping a little bit. And then this guy, they loved him from that thing. So I had a big meeting with Lisa Berger, who ran E and Jeff Jenkins, who ran the Kardashian show and Farnaz and Jonathan Murray, who owned

Buna Murray. We all sat there and we had this deal for the show, Lisa Berger, Greenlit it blah, blah, blah, blah. We start shooting the show and it was basically like a reverse simple life. They took a prince from Italy and then Kimberly Stewart and Kelly Osborne like they got to like take him and teach him about, you know, the United States, whatever. Some some weird crazy content. Yeah. Now Kim and Kelly went to war during production with each other with each other and the show got shut down. They both walked from the show and it was a fucking disaster.

Now at that exact time, that was the month or about six weeks before that they shot the the barbecue. That was the original pilot for the Kardashians. And basically, because they always talk shit about the Kardashians, they basically green, they basically green lit the Kardashians show and then fired everybody from this prince Kelly Osborne Courtney Kimberly Stewart show. And that show got done. And it was very embarrassing for them because all of a sudden, like, they're rival of the Kardashians.

They went straight to series. That's so interesting because yeah, the Kelly Osborne and the Osborne story, I would, we had some doings with each other at E and I always really liked her, thought she was great. And I want to say like she hosted some, something and I was like a presenter and she was fun. And then, and then of course, she went on the view.

And just to be given all these opportunities, just given and like, and I mean, remember the Osborne's not that school matters, but it does too. I think you should go to high school. I mean, none of the kids even went to like high school. And so, you know, they're getting all these opportunities and, um, and I see her at this event a few years ago is before COVID, right before COVID. And she had something that she was supposed to do and she goes, oh, if I don't wanna do something like, she, to me, I don't wanna say this, cause I'm like, anyway, I got that she does

get out of things or flake on things. And she thinks they're always gonna keep coming. And I remember sitting at that moment being like, Oh, Scott. I, what are you doing? Like, I would never blow off an opportunity, but that's because nothing was ever given to me. Right, well if you were the daughter of some really famous guy

and you grew up really rich, you would look at him be like, I don't give a fuck. Or you do really bad business, and that's why you would not be a fool. Yeah, or just like when it just comes so easy and you're a 13 and you're a star and you immediately get a record and you're performing like a virgin on the MTV

or all these things. And then she goes on the view and she says the ultimate joke that fell flat was, I mean, do you remember what it was? No. It's so bad. She is trying to be political because it's political show. And she says, all I want to say is Donald Trump,

if you don't let any immigrants in this country, who is going to clean your toilet? And they're like, what? And she goes, they're like, that's not what, that's not the only jobs immigrants get out. She's like, no, I didn't mean that. I didn't end its life. And she thought she was like so proud to do it.

And then she immediately tried to say, just so you know, I do have a cleaning person, but I make sure I only, I always clean my own toilet. I'm like, nobody cleans your own toilet that has a cleaning person and like you just forget it. And I just think I was like, wow, that, because what it showed you is that you were a real child of privilege.

And you have to just embrace, you just have to be who you are. Like the reason I think it's interesting that there are TikTok people that are like, like I follow this girl and she called the stay-at-home daughter. I think she's down-gauge. She's just a pretty girl and she did really funny videos, but she was a really rich girl and she would like, you know,

narrate her day of shopping and facials, but she was funny in the narration. I've written, I'm like, you're funny. Just be who you are. Like don't, it's when people try to act like they're not, they're not privileged. It would like, doesn't mean you're a bad person that you came from a lot of money or that you were handed these opportunities. But what people won't accept today is people that aren't being authentic. That's true

You know and and those guys I mean Jack and Kelly opened up the doors for all of this stuff because without that show We would have had the opportunity to sell all these other shows I mean really the forefront of that world was the Osborne's and then the simple life Yeah, I mean that that was the entire I mean, that was the entire, I mean, that made my entire business too, because I signed everybody out of those worlds. Right.

So it was, you know, it was very important. So let's wrap up and talk a little bit about what you're, some of the things that you want to share with the people, the juicy scooters. Well, look, I've been, I've been doing this for 25 years as a agent, manager, and our producer creator and the star of a couple of my own shows, like Sons of Hollywood and Hollywood Hillbillies. And my co-created a show called Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, that was a big, big hit. And all of Ray J's TV shows, you know, I'm the executive producer

of when we created those shows together. So what I've done is I've created the Hollywood Handbook, which is a VT, a virtual training seminar, which is kind of like a book that you watch and listen to. And I teach you everything that you need to know, how to become an influencer, how to become a reality star, how to basically become a pop culture, talked about, you know, celebrity.

So I teach you how to monetize your content, create your content, reach out to buyers, reach out to media, market your stuff, and everything is in there from A to B to C in the hollywoodham book.com. And it's very easy to understand and believe me, listen, there was a time and place when Ray Jay and Kim were sitting around trying to figure it out

and how to get a marketing plan together, which they did, which turned them into billionaires. These are the kinds of things that you're going to learn hands-on in the Hollywood handbook, because we've been there, we've done it, and I want to share what I teach my clients to do with the world. And so they just like just watch videos or what is this? It's like going to a class. Oh, it's like a master class. It's like a master class, but you're not. It is a master class, but everybody's like, I have a master class.

This is not a, this is a virtual training seminar. How many hours is it? The first initial launch right now is an hour and a half. Oh, okay. So it's broken up into and you can take it and we're there to help you and there's a couple different paths that you can go down where you can actually reach out and work with us directly. And you know, that we're going to have big group calls with people and there's one on ones that we can do. And if you really want to go to the next level, I will actually mentor

you and help open up the doors with your projects and get them out there. Very cool. Yeah, so we're really glad. We're parted with Bradley, who owns light speed BT. And he's the biggest in the game in that world. He's the mastermind, huge, huge social media influencer and has the technology behind how we launch this BT. Awesome. All right.

Tell him again how to find it, how to follow you. Well, I am at Sir David Weintrell on Instagram and my... Oh, you did a sir thing too. Oh, he was the Lord Disseq. You did the sir. I'm the sir, yeah. Yeah, I love it.

Yeah. And the HollywoodHambook.com is where you can get the VT. And obviously go to DWTallant.com and that's my website. Awesome. Thank you for having me on this fun. Thank you very juicy. Oh yeah, very.

Okay, guys, we do have a little update as promised about the earrings and earring gate. I first really want to thank all the juicy scoopers that all your comments from the YouTube to the Patreon to under my Instagram and TikTok Reels giving your insight. It's really because of you, one particular Patreon person who cracked this cold case. It was a cold case. And I love hearing your analogy and I'm really going through it. So I'm just going to give a short update for right now to just give you some facts and then I'll cover some more of that and what I've discovered on the top of Thursday show. So over the weekend we did go to the UPS and we sent a replica of the beautiful earrings back to Crystal Lomas and we have received word via Venmo that $3,000

have been returned to our account. And at this point, I just really want to thank all those that conspired against me because the fact that they are all agreeing to stay silent proves what I believe to be true. And silences, they've planted. It's guilt. It's knowing what they did wrong. And it's quite obvious to

me and to you guys and I will share more. I just need to process everything that's coming in and also give you great, great juicy content at the same time. So thanks so much for listening. Go to Heathermriktall.net. Holidays are here. A lot of people are wanting juicy scoop merch. I also have some juicy scoop hoop stuff. If you and your friends have been following it and you want to enjoy this moment, there's onesies, there's baseball caps, shirts, bags, all of it at Heatherington.net. That's all see where you go to join Patreon. New episodes every Friday and so much more. Thank you so much.

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