Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Perez’s Tik Tok Psychotic Break, Stassi’s Reality Show, & Nancy Guthrie Update with Zack Peter!

Episode Date: August 6, 2026

Zack Peter and I are getting into all the details of Perez Hilton’s psychotic and deeply disturbing breakdown on TikTok Live, breaking down his whole career, what he’s been through, and why this breaking point may have happened. Plus, we dive headfirst into House of Stassi being the talk of the town as a reality show about a reality show, discuss the shocking news that Tom Sandoval’s size was actually added to his official legal complaint, share our thoughts on why The Real Housewives of Orange County isn't super compelling right now (though we’re holding out hope for that 20-year celebration!), and Zack walks us through the continuing mystery of Nancy Guthrie and what those newly revealed ransom notes really mean, before wrapping up with whether you guys are excited for Khloé Kardashian’s new show about her best girlfriends living in Calabasas! -Go Hungryroot.com/juicyscoop, code juicyscoop to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. -Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to Quince.com/juicy  -Go to zbiotics.com/JUICYSCOOP and use JUICYSCOOP at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics  -Our listeners can buy one pair of glasses and get 20% off any additional pairs at WarbyParker.com/JUICYSCOOP — and using our link helps support the show. #WarbyParker #ad Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod https://www.patreon.com/cw/juicyscoop Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopTZFUvAeokrJJ6dQ5wuAW1T3nssO6pHk47u7KymJUBtBgKCvfX⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald/ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I have one of our favorites, so knowledgeable but also funny and also doesn't give an F and we'll share his honest opinion on everything. Zach Peter, famous for No Filter with Zach Peter. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop. Thank you for having me. Always, always. Such a delight. There's so much for us to discuss.

We are going to get right into it. Very disturbing news with Perez. Perez Hilton, he did a TikTok live. Why don't you, since you're the one who told me about it, like you texted me and you're like, did you see what happened with Perez Hilton? Of course, I knew it wasn't that he got a series. I knew it was something bad. I could just tell right away. And I'm like, what is going on?

So why don't you walk us through what happened? So he went on Instagram live and- Oh, I thought it was TikTok. Oh, sorry, yes, TikTok live. He was on TikTok live. The live went on for about a half hour, a little over a half hour. a little over a half hour. And I mean, just warning, the details are a little graphic.

He was self-harming on camera. The best way I can, or the most accurate way I can describe it, is it looked like it was out of the movie Carrie, where she's like fully dripped in blood. Like, it was very gory, very graphic. He was self-harming. He was fully unclothed. He kept saying that, I guess he was comparing himself to like a parasite.

He kept saying, this is what you guys want. He said that he was doing this for his, kids. He wanted police officers to arrive and he wanted to antagonize them. It just, it was very clear that he was in a very dark state of mind. It appeared to have been like some sort of psychotic break that he was going through. The kids weren't home. His mom wasn't there with him. Just to let people know. So Perez Hilton came on the scene over 20 years ago. Early 2000s. Kind of like the original type of a blogger. He called himself Perez Hilton as a play of words as Parasilton.

He was, you know, into writing, kind of like, you know, where you could just basically say anything back then and he would like draw dicks on people's faces. Yeah, very snarky. And like, you know, Glynes of Coke and really, really snarky. And became very famous because there's kind of the, the only one doing it at that time. He sensed, you know, pivoted.

He is a single gay man. He's a single parent. He had three kids through surrogacy. His mother lives with him. They lived in Vegas. They moved from L.A. to Vegas for a while. But I guess they've moved from Vegas now to Florida. Yeah, they're in Miami now.

So this happened in Florida. This was, yeah. In the home in Florida. And then a few months ago, he got very sick. Sepsis. Sepsis. And he had like kind of a religious awakening. He said at one point, he thought he died or something.

And now he was raised Catholic. So then he sort of picked up the Bible again and became quite religious, which a lot of people thought, this is so great. You know, he had also kind of repented prior to this saying, I was awful in the beginning of my career. And he definitely reports differently today. He still covers all the pop culture stuff. Yeah. But his tone and everything is a lot more. And you're shaking your head.

You're like, you can take it for what it is. You know, it's hard because he really did. hurt a lot of people that he would cover back in the day with the way he would do it. Yeah. And also like break story and things like that, whether it was Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Brittany. Brittany, a lot of people, you know, were reminding us just after this incident of what he did to Brittany.

And obviously, she's had her numerous psychotic breaks. So let me just go back to this incident. So he goes on TikTok live. And when the TikTok started, was he already covered in blood and mid-harming? Or did that happen within the 30 minutes? I believe it was mid. Okay. I think he had already started.

And then decided to go live. To go live. Yeah, that's my understanding of it. I didn't watch it from the beginning. I didn't catch it until the very end. And that's when one of my friends was texting me. And at first she was like, are you watching this? She's like, are you seen what he's doing online?

And at first I was like, oh, what does he do? Is he ranting about, you know, a celebrity or something? I was like, what is he doing to, like, get attention? And she's like, no, you need to watch this. It's, like, disturbing. And then I opened the video and I just saw him all red, bloody. And I was confused as to, like, what I was seeing. And then when I noticed that he was, like, fully unclothed and you can see everything.

That's when I was like, yeah. I was like, that's not fake. Like, that's real. he's exposing himself on TikTok. I was surprised that it was up. For that long. Yeah. And he had what looked like a bread knife.

And that's what he was using to hurt himself. And yeah, it was disturbing. Police finally got there, I guess, because multiple people were calling. I think at first they believed it was a suicide attempt. And then police got there towards the end of the live. And I believe that's when I think TikTok finally took the live down and his account was banned.

And then authorities were outside and they were able to get him out and take him into the hospital to get him looked at. And I believe he's under psychiatric care right now. I mean, a couple of things that are shocking, that it took 30 minutes for someone at TikTok to get the word and have the ability to shut someone down. Because this is really scary. And, you know, there is a famous, this is the first time that people have done stuff like that. this. There was actually like a news reporter and they've made a movie about it, a news reporter that did this back in the day before there was social media and in fact ended their life while doing the live news. And so you would think that with these lives and where we are

today, that there would be almost like someone's or a few people's main job to kind of be hyper aware if someone is doing something like this on their platform to for them to call the authorities for them to have a way of knowing where this tic-tok account is coming from or whatever let's get authorities there yeah i'm shocked it just took that long and that they haven't made a statement like the fact that tic-tok hasn't addressed this publicly um considering how much attention it's gotten i'm surprised yeah because like you would think at some point they would issue some sort of statement or, you know, say something. Because, like, that goes, because people are saying, like, when you're on TikTok, like,

there are certain words you can't use if you're on a live, they'll take you down right away. But, like, this is somebody that was on camera streaming for over 30 minutes that, you know, authorities had to actually show up and, like, you could hear them outside. It was crazy. For people that don't really understand the difference between, like, Instagram and TikTok, Really, TikTok is more of like a direct moneymaker. Yeah.

Where you get paid for your views, you know, selling products and stuff, but also like views and you can make money on lives. You can make a lot of money on lives. And his history with TikTok has been tumultuous. Yeah. Like he has, I feel like I've seen him over the years cry like two or three times about, I can't believe I got banned from TikTok. This is terrible.

How am I going to feed my kids? It's TikTok, TikTok. It was never like Instagram or Facebook that he would talk about. So it's kind of not surprising, I guess, that when somebody is on that verge of like losing their mind, that he was like, I'm going to do it on TikTok. And I'm going to show the world. I'm going to show the TikTok people. I'm going to show. And other people feel like this religious awakening.

Other people say it's not religious. it was finding God, but reading the Bible, all of that, sometimes there is religious psychosis that could go into that. You mentioned Carrie and the movie Carrie, which is actually, did you see it's coming out an updated version in a series? So the girl, Carrie, who is a book about Stephen King, she has a very religious mother and it's just she and her mother, and she is like dorky and teased, but she has, ability to like move things and all this stuff.

And so it's the new version, which is coming out on Amazon Prime, is her today. And the kids mocking her and things like that have to do with, they put it online. And she sees it on the phone. And like that starts to make her think that the girls were her friends and they're not her friend.

So it's just, again, it's just interesting. Like I almost wonder, now that you mentioned it and he's from like he's closer to my age like was the whole

was that even in his mind because you're right he looks like the final scene in Carrie where the character of Carrie didn't do that to herself they do a mockery thing and she's at prom and she thinks she's going to be prom queen when they plan this whole thing where a bucket of

blood comes on her and so it's a very scary visual like I'm just thinking I don't know. Like there's, we won't know what's going on with him. But he has three kids that are all like elementary age now. And he had the oldest is 13.

Yeah. So he doesn't have, he has an older mother. Which, you know, this is just where it gets really hard because he doesn't have a partner or an ex partner

where these kids could go to. Yeah. They're left in the care of his mother, who is elderly. I mean, she was, I think, there to help him, but also like he was taking care of her as well.

well. But I mean, I'm glad that the kids weren't there, but like, they're going to forever live with this, knowing that this is out there. It's on the internet. I mean, it's so bad the way it was done, because not only is your dad famous for what he does, but, you know, when a child has to deal with something like this, it's not a part of the news and the world and, like, everything about it. It's just like, it's really, really sad. And I'm so sad that he chose, and I'm saying really more word because when you're in this state, you don't know what you're doing, I guess. But it's like. Well, it's interesting.

He or his team and his family issued a statement saying that he is being cared for right now. He's under, I believe, a psychiatric evaluation. But he is under medical care and that they'll give updates when updates become available, but that they want everybody to respect his privacy at this time. which has caused a lot of discourse online because they said he's never been one to respect anybody else's privacy and they specifically referenced like Britney Spears when she had her psychotic

break with shaving her head and the umbrella and how that was exploited in the media. I mean, I think people are entitled to privacy in really serious times. I mean, for me, my thoughts are more with his kids and with his mom. Like, that's the privacy that I want to be respectful of. I've seen people circulating photos of like his kids

which I don't think is... Well, he does share his kids online. Like, I can visually see them in my head right now because they look a lot like him. So, like, he has... He's not been one of those people that put hearts on his kids. He wasn't doing that.

So it's like, yeah, whenever someone says respect our privacy, I guess that means, like, Heather and Zach, shut your fucking faces and find another topic. But I agree. Like, you know,

this is what we do. And when Perez, even in his, second era of his career, which she's much nicer, he would be covering this as well. And he would say, wow, we are praying for his children. And that's what we're saying. Like we, too, want you to get better. Hope that your kids are also going to be in therapy, that you will be a healthy family again. Yeah. Whether that means that you just continue writing your articles, but never go on these sites anymore. I mean, I'm assuming I don't know what it would take for like a TikTok to let you back on, but I have no idea.

I don't think TikTok's letting him back on after this. Yeah. I mean, he's already been banned several times. But also, I mean, that's a bigger conversation too about like TikTok. You know why he was banned those other times? I believe it was like content that went against community guidelines at first. And then so like he was banned from the platform and then he kept trying to create new accounts. And so because he was already like previously banned, then he got like a lifetime ban because that's my.

understanding of. Is it the content originally violated? Or was this? Well, because he just signs up with new accounts, like a new email address or whatever, like is how I'm assuming he gets into the app. And so, but because he was doing that, that's also an additional, like if you've already been banned, you can't just, you know, if you've been banned from a business, you can't put on a wig and come in and expect them to still let you shop at that business.

So, yeah, I assume he'd found another way to create another account and that's how he was able to get on. but it was, I mean, that's, like, I think TikTok does have some responsibility and should put safer protections because, like, they're kids and there are even just young adults, 20-year-olds that don't have a fully developed frontal lobe that, you know, have to see that type of content. I mean, that's the thing. With him choosing to do it, it's like, yeah, people can be mad at that. Yeah. Like, people can be mad. Like, I didn't ask to see this.

Yeah. I didn't, this isn't like I chose to watch American Horror Story and now I have nightmares. people could have just been opening up their app and scrolling and it could have come across it or their kids could have come across it. So you did this so that millions of people would see it. Yeah. And that's not right either. No. You know, like that is not okay.

So, but, you know, it's just like anybody that's in those states, you know, they decide to jump off a bridge, which stops the traffic. Yeah. Why are you inconvenience everyone's life? You know. Yeah. Yeah, it's the double-edged sword with it. And I mean, listen, on the other side of it, like, this could have been what saved his life. Right, exactly.

Like, if he had done this home alone, the amount of blood that was there, that was my concern was, are they going to be able to get him medical care before he loses too much blood? Because the amount of blood in that live stream was wild. But that could have been what saved him. I mean, I know it's troublesome that the video was up for that long, but also people were able to call the authorities and police officers were able to get there. I mean, TikTok wasn't doing anything, but at least people were able to call, you know,

local authorities in Miami to get officers there to get him help and stop him from. I mean, just like the trajectory, like his whole life, it's like if this was go, it's just so, it's so what it's, what it, of course this is how it's ending. Of course, like, if you were to write a movie about it, of course this is where it's ending when he started literally being like the original blogger. He calls himself, I'm the original influencer. That's how he comes on every video and he's going to report on something. He was this person. I remember Victoria Beckham had a TV show one season. And she goes, oh, I'm supposed to meet this person. He's a blogger. I'm going to meet him for lunch. And he writes

about me. And it was Perez Hilton. And he was very overweight at that time. And he was, and And, you know, so that was another thing. He got skinny. Yeah. And kind of then was like showing off his body that he was skinny. And then, you know, in that process, had the kids and then moved to Vegas. And then, you know, it was like, I'm not going to be mean anymore, but I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. And all of this.

So it's like, of course, like, of course you're fucked up. Yeah. Like your life, you know, and then you almost died. And then you found Jesus again. And it's just like. Yeah. Well, and all of his. career has been about staying relevant, staying in front of the public. I mean, because that was also

how he made his living. But like it was always about how do I one up this? How do I, you know, keep attention? So naturally, when your head, you know, kind of goes off the rails and you suffer with this psychosis, which is what it appeared to be like a psychotic break that he was going through, naturally your train of thought is to just go into how do I get attention in this way, you know, and you're not thinking clearly and you're deep. deeply disturbed. Like it's also in that it's like yeah, when he started, he was one of the only people doing it. And now everybody does it.

And how do you keep your audience, you know, engage when there's so many other people that are reporting on the same thing? Yeah. And I remember I interviewed him and I was like, my God, you put out so many articles and posts. Like, how do you do it? Do you have a team of people? Like, you know, and he's just like, well, yeah, because I get. adds for each one, like I have to do that because I support four other people besides myself. Yeah.

And that's a lot of pressure too. And if you did see it slipping away and your kids are getting older and how I'm going to pay for their college and their private school and all this other stuff. So. Especially being single. Yeah. And having his reputation, right, like it wasn't easy to rehab his image. Once people knew him as this really snarky, mean blogger, it was hard to come back from that.

even when he tried to be nice or toned down his content, that wasn't what was getting attention. Right. And you have all these other people with an iPhone and they're able to go on and do it. They're strong opinions and be snarky and whatever. And they don't care. Yeah.

And he's trying to like stay and be nice. Well, we do care and we do want him to get better, of course. Also, I wanted to, there was a follow-up, one of your expertise on this. Nancy Guthrie, the sheriff, Nanos, which has, he's gotten a lot of criticism. We still don't know where Nancy is. Savannah's still asking for answers,

but they decided to release finally these two hostage letters, ransom notes that we had heard about way back when that TMZ got a hold of. But so is this the first time that we've ever been able to read them? So I think a week or two ago, there was the Crime Junkie podcast read these letters on air. Okay. So this was, Nancy went missing, Nancy Bonae Ramsey, went missing six months ago.

And we've heard, so there were these two original letters that were believed to be the most legitimate. There was another letter that was sent. That individual, I believe, was arrested. and, you know, they, he'd face charges for that. Because it was fake. He had nothing to do with her missing. He had nothing to do with it.

And then there were several other notes that were coming to TMZ specifically. So these two notes went to TMZ and went to other local news stations in Tucson. But there were additional notes that were going specifically to TMZ from a third party saying, I have information, I know who's doing this. Pay me the money and I'll give you the information. And as far as we know, the Guthrie family and the FBI and, and, and, the Pima County Sheriff's Department. Nobody paid that money and nobody paid these ransom letters.

But so Crime Junkie read these letters in their entirety, I believe a week or two ago. And then it was just a few days ago that the Pima County Sheriff's Department decided to also release them. Why did crime junkie get at first? Well, because remember the letters were going out to different media. So the meet, I believe they got them from a local news station and they had them for a while. but I guess they were waiting for like the official investigators to release them and they never did and they're like maybe this will be helpful. So we're just going to read the letters for you on air. And the gist of the letter, which I don't have in front of me, but basically it did say she had a white Apple Watch.

Well, so the first one. So that was kind of like maybe evidence to believe that this person really did, did have her know who she was because it's sort of a specific thing. They said a white Apple Watch and a broken light like a headlight in the back. And those are the two details that they noted to indicate that they were at least there or present that night. But there were the two notes. And they were very bizarre, the shift in tone. The first letter was like, we have your mother, Savannah. Her life is in your hands.

If you don't pay us this Bitcoin within this deadline, we're going to kill her. And then a couple of days later, they sent the second, or a couple days later, they sent the second letter. And the second letter had a drastically different tone of like, she perished. like a cart and a milk. They're like, she perished. We didn't know that this was going to happen. This wasn't our intention. And I'm like, how do you say this wasn't your intention

when your last letter was literally saying, her life is in your hands? We're going to kill her if you don't give us this money. And then they said that she was buried with nature. There was nothing that you could do to prevent this. Like the tone was very different. I've always been skeptical about the kidnapping story altogether. I just think infants, toddlers, and old ladies,

you don't kidnap. It's too much of a liability. It's hard. I mean, babies, it's hard to keep them quiet. But an elderly lady that can't even walk, how do you transport her easily? Well, she can walk. She could walk. No, she couldn't walk well.

They said on a good day she could maybe walk to the mailbox on her own. Oh, okay. So she was not able to move very well, especially if she's afraid. She clearly needed assistance. But she was last seen. She had dinner with her daughter, Annie, and her son-in-law, Tomaso. they drop her off at about 10 p.m. Saturday night, which is also strange that you're dropping an 84-year-old woman off that late

and you let her walk in alone. That was weird. But then they don't discover that she's missing until Sunday. All of Sunday goes by she's missing, and the ransom notes don't come until Monday. Like what kidnapper or what old lady snatcher comes in, takes the old lady, and then doesn't even send the ransom note

until the following day. Like that everything about like it was more than 24 hours after she had gone missing before the first letter even materialized. The other thing is, you know, everybody is, you know, very critical of this investigation. But what people have to remember is how many times have there been crimes and 18 months later they finally arrest the husband? Yeah. And they don't let everybody know. They do, they want the suspect to relax. Because they actually are working on other things.

And they've never said, like, this person was a suspect and they're totally cleared. It just looks like they have no clue what happened. We don't know that there isn't an arrest coming in a month. We don't know that. You never know. I hope so. And, you know, people have always been suspicious of the people that saw her last. Why wouldn't you?

That was the daughter and the son-in-law. law and there were also her caretakers. And there were stories that financially she, you know, may have been supporting them. Supporting them. And we don't know that she may have at that point said, it's going to stop here or be annoyed or whatever. We don't know.

And so they could have been, you know, like, no, you guys are cleared, whatever. And they're going on. And of course, Susanna never wants to believe that. And so they're probably telling themselves like another. scenario is yeah some the scenario i always thought if it wasn't them was just some guy that's like back living with his mother who is not a professional kidnapper and the mother said you know nancy guthrie lives down that's that's savanna on the tv that's her mother she lives right down the way and him being a little bit off and being like this is my money maker moment i'm going to

kidnap her and get this money and also being that at Bitcoin like being like a weirdo. And then she does accidentally die or he didn't mean to kill her or he gets nervous. And that happened. Now, whether that, if that was the guy, if these were really the ransom notes that he wrote or not. But those are the two things. I think it's either an unprofessional person like that or I think it was the relatives. I think if it were an unprofessional person, they would have been sloppy enough to have gotten caught by now. Like, even if it is the neighbor down the street, he's got to be missing.

His mom has to be like, where is he at? No, but if it happened and then he really did that and then he just went back to being pretending nothing ever happened. Yeah. Like loser that goes shopping with his mom once a week and lives at home. Maybe. But I'm saying these things do take, can take really long. We may never know.

Yeah. You may never, ever know, like John Bonnet, but we might get an answer. I just think there's no way we have no answers in 2026 with GPS, with the advanced DNA testing, with cameras on every street light. But there could be keeping it from us. It's possible. It is possible. And I'm hoping that that's what it is.

I'm hoping I've thought like you, whoever, they may have an idea of who it is. They want them to just kind of like lay low for a while. I mean, the sheriff is over here on the news. His last interview said that this could likely take 50 years before he solves the case, which, you know, there's a lot of faith. And then Savannah, I mean, I don't, I think. Or it could be the FBI that are just like, yes, we've got a fumbling, dumb, dumb sheriff here, and we're doing our thing and we're not sharing with him.

Yeah. I think that's the more likely scenario. It's just completely above his pay grade, you know, this like town. And he butchered the case so badly. I mean, the crime scene was never really closed off. Right. People were able to walk up to her porch and take selfies with her blood on the porch. It's crazy that that was even a possibility.

There were pizza delivery guys showing up. The pool boy was there less than a week cleaning her pool and they didn't even know what happened to her. It was so bizarre. And the family has been so bizarre. Like if we take Savannah Guthrie as the woman we know on TV out of the equation, I think there are a lot of questions surrounding the family. But even when we look at Savannah's behavior, this is a woman who's on TV every single day. and suddenly her mother goes missing and her and her family go into hiding?

Not once did they ever appear on TV? Not once did they ever do a press conference? Not once did they host a prayer vigil or print Nancy's face on a T-shirt and go looking for her in the desert? We got nothing from them, but a random Instagram video that we would get every couple of days

that was pleading with the humanity of this old lady snatcher that made no sense. This person you believe took your mother, but yet you're going to plead with his humanity? That didn't make any. sense at all. And again, like, you mean, okay, so I'm, I, those are all great points, but I'm also going to play devil's advocate there a little bit. It was all over the news. So she didn't have to

also give it more news. It was all over the news. So she could hang low. Let us deal with it while she was in hiding. Yes, she could. I mean, honestly, she could because it's the same thing with the Nolan Wells thing where, you know, people are like, why did those kids turn off their social media and whatnot. But those are private people. Savannah has access to NBC. And if she called NBC and says, give me five minutes every day to give you an update on my mother, they would give her that airtime.

She had the air time to get into everybody's home to show her real pain and grief and needing to find her mother. And she never gave that. People take advantage of the press conferences when somebody goes. I mean, listen, the Ramsies were on TV every day. Scott Peterson was pretending to look for his wife. Casey Anthony wanted to find her daughter. True, but I think this is the first time a person who's been in our team in our room every day doing light, fun stuff, elderly mother was kidnapped.

We can't say, remember the last time that Matt Lauer's mother was also kidnapped? She should do something different than he. I'm just saying it's one of those things like where people say that person didn't act the way they should act. when their child was kid. I mean, well, how do you act? Like, it's a very rare thing. Hopefully nobody ever experiences something that in their life. So you don't know how you would act.

And you don't know who she's listening to or what she should do. Or she probably felt very responsible. I'm sure. For being a famous, wealthy person that these weirdos, like I said, if it's just a weirdo, thought, oh, that she's rich. She's on TV. She must be so rich that if I take her mother, because she lives down the street from my mom, then I'll get this money.

So it's like she probably is like, wow, why didn't I? And she put her mom on TV a few times. Like she could have been going through all of that. Like I feel so guilty because if I was just a school teacher, my mom would have never been taken. Six months ago, sure. But now we're six months in and she still hasn't tapped into any of those resources. Well, she is doing it on the today show. Well, she's doing the game show.

She's doing Wordle. Tune into Wordle on NBC. see like that's like you're using your air time to host wordel instead of giving an update on your mother I really think that she should have turned down wordal she should have absolutely turned down wordle first of all you don't need that you don't need the money you are fine till your to your kids are 50 she didn't even need to come back to work that suit your kids are going to have their money to buy their homes and like you did not need to make another couple million hosting wordle you would it would not change your lifestyle wordel or not

Yeah. She went back to going on the Today Show. I would at least go a year before. Yeah. Or at least, I mean, she went back to work. A year. She went back to work very quickly. Just like a woman who loses her husband, even if she meets somebody on three months later, you kind of keep it under wraps until a full year has gone.

Because people are like, that's a little soon. And listen, they've covered the story since then on the Today show, and she will not participate in the coverage because she wants to remove herself. But my thing is it's like if you're trying to appeal to somebody to bring forth information, they need to see that you're actually still, you know, or give some sort of detail. Like even when she did her sit down with Hoda Koppi, which was the weakest interview. Like Hoda Koppi should be embarrassed for that interview because first of all, they broke it up into three parts over the course of two days and gave us zero answers into the investigation. Hoda gave her not one follow-up question when Savannah said, oh, there were at least two ransom notes that we believe were real.

Great. Why? Well, come on. What was it about those rancin notes? It was all planned out. It was all planned out, of course. But that's my point is these moves. You're saying that, you know, she didn't want to, you know, there was enough coverage in the news, but she made these decisions that advanced the investigation in no way. If anything, it was just to show the world that she's sad that her mother is still missing so that the world would accept her coming back to work.

Right. Rather than focusing on trying to, if you want the public to help bring forth information. She didn't even put up a reward until what, over a month when the public was starting to put a go fund me together to raise money to pay for the Bitcoin. The public was trying to raise money. The moms were going on hikes. Yeah. The moms were going on hikes trying to look for Nancy. The sheriff was blocking them because they didn't have permits to go on hikes.

Also weird. But like the public was more invested in getting out there. Like, sure, you don't know what you would do when you were in that situation, but not doing anything. is questionable. And then going to host Wordle? Like, it's weird. This era of our history are so many

unanswered questions. We still don't know about the UFOs over New Jersey. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The drones. Even though Bethany said she's talking to somebody really big. Who knows?

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You can watch the whole thing on Hulu. And it really is a reality show about doing a reality show, which is why people say it's almost like watching the comeback with Lisa Kudrow. They called it a meta-doccuseries. That's what they themselves calling. That's what Hulu is calling it. It's a meta-docu-series. And I do think that was interesting when they were coming up with it that she was like, look, I'm not going to act like I don't know what's going on. but in doing it, I feel like, as now I'm like on episode seven,

I feel like I've been now gaslit by this show. In what way? In that I think She and Bo are completely fine. I heard that people that have listened to their patron for years, they know they're completely fine. And I think that they, you know, really, really planned this out. To have a lot of drama all in the first season, and to get the second season,

which I heard they've got. And I do think it's interesting. I brought up that, you know, I do think the concept is very interesting with the female breadwinner and how that is difficult. But I also, like, he goes back to work. Like, he goes back to work

and everything's fine today. And I just feel like, I don't know, like I feel like she doesn't like her family at all, but she puts them on the show. and then she puts them on the show to control the fact that, like, I am your paycheck. And the fact that they keep saying, I have to be here for work. Well, it's my job to ask you this uncomfortable question. Like, I have to do that.

And I get it. And we as a reality show audience have asked for this and we've pointed it out in the last few years. But now that we have it, I'm like, I want to believe that Santa's still real. Like, I don't know if I love it that much because it feels so put upon. Like, she's like literally like, the only reason you have a dinner party on a really. reality show is that you could all fight and talk about and you know the only reason you tell your castmate something mean about the other one is so that they tell them and then you have a mean dinner party yeah so i mean look we're talking about it we're watching it they've done their job

and she clearly this was her goal but it's just kind of i feel differently now i'm curious how you're gonna feel after you watch the finale okay because i hear you and i reached that same point midseason okay halfway through i was like okay i get it it's meta we're talking we're talking It's a reality show within a reality show. I was like, I get the, like, I get it. We don't need to keep talking about what we're doing and why we're doing it and how we're doing it. Because a lot of the things, like, we know that a dinner party is meant to face the conflict, right? But the last two episodes, I think by episode six, I was like, okay, I get it.

It's good, whatever. And I thought it was going to fall off at some point. And the last two episodes really kind of turned it back around for me because I think, to your point, she was very much trying to control the show early on and trying to get the rest of them to learn how to be reality stars. And then at the finale, they all kind of turn the table on her

and confront her. And it ends up blowing up in a really big way. And there's a lot of like raw emotion. Like, do you want me to spoil it for you? Sure. Because I feel like, I mean, I feel like a lot of people are probably already because even the last video I did,

they were like, he does go back to work. And I'm like, oh, because I talked about like, just let him go find that job. cares. And with the whole thing of him wanting to work and her not wanting him to work, to know that in the end, he did go to work and it's fine. And I was like, look, I get what she was saying. She was like, he probably being a casting director or assistant, I don't think he was ever going to make more than like 100, 150,000, maybe even 200,000 years, max at the top of the game, because it wasn't his own operation. So, but it was just him wanting to go out, be creative,

whatever. So she, from her point of view, was like, but I'll, like, I make two million a year. Let's just say on a low end, she makes two million a year, which she probably makes more than that. So she's kind of like, if I'm pulling in two million a year, like, you don't need to make 10% of that. Like Amanda, what's her name? Amanda from Real House says of Beverly Hills. Oh, Amanda Francis. Says, my husband makes 10% of what I make. Like, she pulls it out there, but she still lets him go do his thing. And he's like, we have. But then it's like, wait, they have a full-time nanny.

Like, is this really just about, like, doing the dish? Like, it was weird. But I do appreciate the dynamic. And I talked about that. But then people would, like, correct me. And they're like, yeah, but you haven't watched the whole thing. So that's what I'm saying, just fucking spoil it. She does address that.

And she says that it's not so much. Well, two things. One, she does not like her kids. It's obvious she says it in the finale. Or she says that her kids are really. difficult and she feels like she's a bad mom. So part of the reason she doesn't want Bo to go to work is she doesn't want them to be raised by a nanny.

And she knows that Bo is at least a stable parent where she gets to be the working parent, but at least the kids still have one person in the household. Along with Cora the nanny. Yes, along with Cora the nanny. It's like he's never really alone with the kids. Well, it does. Because they said Cora was there all day. I believe she's there during the day.

But like the evening for cooking, he cooks dinner and then puts the kids to bed. And she's afraid of doing that. Okay. So it's more, her thing, and I think it's more of her own, like, insecurity. And she kind of relates it to, like, her family. And her family wasn't very stable. And her family wasn't very stable. And so she just wants her kids to have a stable household with at least one parent that's

very present because she's incapable of being present. And she would rather be the breadwinner and be working. And then, like, you know, and it seems like she's really afraid of her kids. Just imagine these kids watching this. I can't. At, like, 15 and 16, they'd be like, do you fucking hate us? Trust me, when you see her break. My parents would tell my sister and I, like, yeah, you were mistakes.

Like, your mom couldn't count a calendar, and I had to find a Catholic priest in San Diego to bless my vasectomy after Heather. But they'd be like, but you were the two best surprises. Like, they would tell us how great we were all the time. So I didn't care that we weren't planned. I never felt that way. Yeah. But this is like, you guys are hard. Your heart because you're young.

Like, I just feel like, I mean, you. I mean, there was this one time that I was so stressed out because you had to cover the school books like for my son. And I was going to Chelsea lately where I had an hour commute. We did not, could not work from home. We did not have remote days. I didn't have a self-driving car. Like I was thinking about it. And I still came home and like did the bath and all that stuff.

But was grateful that like Peter was there. And I was like, you have to do this. You have to do this book. You have to, you know, and everything. And I just, I got so mad that he had not done. done the books, Peter. And I, like, had a full, like, breakdown. And I just remember Drake was, like, seven or nine or something. And he goes, God, just leave mom. Just go to work. Like, just go to work and let us do this. Just go to work. And that, like, made me cry more because

it was like, just go. Like, we have our routine here. And you're, like, I was trying to do all of it. And it was like, Peter was like, just don't go to work today. Just like, take a shower, like, chill out. And I came back. I remember I like told, you know, I even told tells me about it. I was like, you know, I just had a freak out and I need to apologize. And it was, it was kind of a good moment because I was like, you can't do it all. And she wrote her third book is like having it. I always said my third book would be like having it most if I wrote a third book because it's like you can't have it all.

But you could have it most. Like so I think it's a really interesting discussion point, which is why we're spending so much time on in the show. Yeah. But to hear people write that she doesn't like her kids, I don't believe that. Like I think there's love and everything, but it might be this stage is not where it's good. It's a hard age. That's a hard age. And I think she didn't have a strong role model in a mother.

Yeah. She doesn't know how to be a mom and she doesn't have anybody to go to say, hey, can you help me learn how to do this or that? Like her mom, as you can see on the show, is just still kind of a mess and still kind of, you know, latching onto her. And even so I think she addresses it, too, that, like, her family wasn't invited to come film. Like, they were inserting themselves to come and film with the sister. Like, when the sister moves into her new apartment, like, the family came because they wanted to be on camera. And it seems like they wanted to be in the mix of everything. And she kind of seemed annoyed by that because I think it was an interview that she did afterwards.

She was like, I wasn't, like, they weren't, like, I didn't want them to be on the show. and they like kept showing up through my sister. And her sister obviously wanted them to be on the show. But the finale, I think, just has so much raw emotion from everybody. Like you can see the other cast members thought like, oh, Stasi Tadis, you confront people. This is the finale. This is going to be a big moment where we're going to tell her like,

hey, you're kind of a bitch to your husband. And so they bring it up at the table. And her reaction, she like flips out and has a full on meltdown. And then they start having a meltdown of like, oh shit, we didn't mean for this to happen. And like Christina Kelly's like ball. She's like Stoss, you know, we didn't mean for this to have. Like it was just, it was so dramatic.

And then you can see like Rob, Bose friends just sitting there like, oh shit, this, this wins. What is your prediction for the next season? Do you think it'll be all the same people? Because I noticed it was interesting. It's the poster, which I have here on the screen, please subscribe to YouTube. It's just her. And I just noticed now in the background are black and white photos of the other cast members. Yeah.

But there's no photo of like her, like, her. like the Kardashians with all the other cast members. So I feel like that's kind of smart because it's called House of Stasi. And if she's doing this all, I think it's kind of smart where she's like, no, no, no. I'm going to be able to interchange these people like chess players.

Like every season, my House of Stasi could change. Like I don't think Italian Georgia is coming. There is no point of having Italian Georgia. Not anymore. And I also feel like the sister and her have no chemistry. Like, you know, usually with sisters, even if they fight, like Kim and Chloe, like the Kardashians. The reason we love that is because if you have sisters,

you guys fight over jeans like you, and they always come back and they have their different bitchiness. I just feel like because they had different dads, because they're like 10 years apart. Yeah. Also, the sister doesn't have Botox yet, which is very... Wild.

Interesting to see, like, a wrinkly face. But hers is like, she's like 10 years older than her. Yeah. And she doesn't have a wrinkle on her face, which she's honest about her Botox and everything. And so I'm just like, I get why they put her in it because it's, again, conflict.

She has a weird childhood. She's an unusual family makeup with the mother and the three different dads and everything. But I'm like, I just don't know. I feel like I wouldn't be surprised if, maybe they've already filmed the second season, but like whatever, if this continues on, these players will change.

That's my prediction. That's kind of how she tease it up at the end. Yeah. Because it ends with a cliffhanger. They're on the Queen Mary. She leaves. She has a full meltdown. And then the last scene you see of her is her just sobbing in the corner as she runs off away

from the dinner. So you don't see what happens afterwards, which I assume will be the opening for season two. And then her confessional ends by saying something about how like you don't, if you want a role in my life, then like this is not how you stay in my life. like being like now they have to prove themselves to me or something to that effect of like she can you know off with their head if they don't follow my rules right and like people are saying this really should be called house of narcissist she's like the biggest narcissist I don't think she cares I don't think she cares I think she's you know she's 38 she's been on reality TV for

half her life literally half her life she would have started at like 22 or something so um and they don't you just don't know any different anymore. And even though she had this break of being on reality show for a while, while she rebuilt her stuff, she was still in the limelight. And, you know, and he was an actor like, Beau. So he obviously has agreed to it, but it was probably like, hey, but when we have these discussions, when the cameras come up, like we can redo these fights. That's what I think. And that's fine, you know, like there are issues, other issues. And clearly, just like, you know, male comedians that don't need to go on the road.

They sometimes they go on the road just to get away from their little kids. And the female comedians are like, I'll bring them or I feel terrible or I do just want that one night in my bed alone while a male comedian might be like, who's the waitress I can fuck? Not that they would do that if they're married, but I'm just saying it's a very different thing. They would never do that. How men and women treat differently. But I think she got very comfortable in that like, you know, not having guilt about that. because she was like, because I'm providing all this

and because we started like this, you know, from the very beginning. And he just was like, I just want to go to an office. I just want to have a Chinese chicken salad by myself with a couple other people. And if I'm gone from 9 to 6, like, what does it matter? And again, it doesn't matter that he made. So that'll stay for as long.

And then he'll probably blow it off. Yeah. And be like, I'd rather pick up golf. Like he'll be like, whatever, who cares? You'll get it out of his system. Yeah. But hopefully they as a couple will remain together because that's what they want. But this is sure a gamble.

It's a gamble and she knows it. But I think he'll stick around. Yeah. I just think he knows who she is. He knows what he married. I don't think she's all that different, you know, compared to what they've, you know, now compared to the last couple of years that we haven't seen her on television. So I think, I hope they last.

I mean, if she's really modeling Chris Jenner, there's no better people that have the blinders on about the mean comments than those Kardashians. Chloe oftentimes would fall into reading the comments and being sad when she talks about it. Yeah, she changed her whole image. Right. And she actually said something recently, like on her show where she's like, you know, people acted very different to me once I got hot. Yeah. And I remember who wasn't nice and who was. and I remember we were doing a sketch early on in Chelsea lately where we were going to do it like a sketch about Chris was coming on to be on the show

so I was like let's do a sketch where Chris plays herself and Chelsea was Kim and we filled her ass we gave her brown contact so she has green eyes or blue eyes and I'm like I'll be Chloe because I'm tall and we had a little PA that was she was a tiny little brunette girl so I was like you'll be the you'll be Courtney and we had like a dummy and I was like throwing the Courtney doll around and everything. And right before that, like the day of, Chelsea's like, wait, I think it would be really funny if we had Guy Brown and play Chloe.

And I go, Chelsea, I know you think I'm a thirst bucket and I want to make this extra $333. But I'm telling you as like relationships with the Kardashians, that would be so incredibly hurtful to Chloe. She's already seen as like the bigger sister. And we're going to put, we're going to have a overweight male play her over me. Yeah. Like I was going to stuff my ass, but that was it. And I was like, I'm just, she's like, would it be funnier? And I'm like, it's just, I'm like, you got to think of the big picture. This will still be really funny. Yeah. And it was. Yeah. And, you know, those were the things I did when I was on the show.

Yeah. To protect the Kardashians. But whatever, it's fine. Chloe, I'm excited for your new show. I'd still like you to come on juicy scoop. Let's talk about it. Like, I'm truly got your, I've had your back for, you know, 20 years. But those are the kind of things where it's like you think about those things. But very, again, it's kept my interest.

It keeps us talking. Yeah. It is unique. And all of it. Now, this was a bow in the beginning. And I was very disturbed that he dyed his hair so black, but he was letting his gray beard. come in.

Yeah. But then later on in the season, he addresses it and goes to a groomer and gets his beard dyed to match his hair, maybe lightened his hair, matched his hair. You have a great look going with your beer and slight, slight salt and pepper going. But it's a hard thing for a guy to keep, when you start to dye your hair, it's a slippery slope before you look like Ronald Reagan. You know what I mean? It's really, you have to like, and it costs much.

Because it's got to be just a little bit gray. It has to be the right color brown. And so he does fix that situation. And he is a good looking guy. So that was good. Before we went back to running the casting sessions. These are the kids. Okay.

So let's talk about the Tom Sandoval of it all since we're talking about it. Tom Sandoval came out. He added something to his amendment. Yeah. You want to get into this? Walk us through it. You have one too. Just kidding.

You have a big penis. We know you have a very big penis. But he said that Victoria Lee, his girlfriend, is so horrible, not just physically, but verbally, that she said you have a tiny penis. A tiny penis. And she kicked him in the tiny penis. I mean, are we surprised that Tom Sandova has a tiny penis? It doesn't mean he has it. It means that she said it.

Well, but if he had a big dick, she's not going to be like, you have a tiny penis because he can be like, no, I don't. Oh, how do you know? She had so many other men. She could have just been like, yours isn't as big as Leonardo DiCaprio's. And you're never going to be him with your hokey band. Nobody can ever say that I have a tiny penis, and I can confidently stand ten toes down on that. Well, I have never seen it, and I don't want to because we're brother and sister, but whatever. But with Tom Sandibald, I, the bigger question is why he would put this.

in the document about like, you don't need to ever. So did he just add this to the document? He added this to the document. Okay, this is why I think. Let's do our theories. Okay. I have covered this. And I'm telling you, juicy scovers don't care about this story.

They don't care. And so I'm like, I just feel like he's like, no, I need people to care. I need people to care. And you need to hear how cruel this woman is. is. And it's true. If we hear from now, Brittany, she's got her people interview coming out. It was not available for us to listen to at time of recording. She sits down to do a long interview where she's going to talk about everything that's going on with Jacks that's not on the show. He's not on the show. Co-parenting whatnot and how upsetting it was to find out that her publicist that worked for them for 10 years is in fact dating him.

And so we'll hear about that. But she would reveal oftentimes that he criticized her weight gain after giving birth to their son. And that is awful. And every woman is like, are you fucking kidding me? Like your husband calls you fat after you give birth? So I think he's kind of taking that, that yes, that is awful. But it's also awful, and I will give him this, when a woman says something like, your dick doesn't work, which Katie Maloney, remember, said that to Tom Schwartz.

Your dick doesn't work. Your dick is small. Because it's one thing, there is some weird plastic surgery you can do to make your dick bigger, but it's pretty much you're born with your dick size. Yeah. So it's like, it's a pretty cruel thing to say, you know, to somebody else. Because even a woman can get a breast implant. A woman can lose weight.

A woman can get a boob job. A woman can get her flat ass filled. Yeah. A woman can change her appearance. She got a, what was it, a vaginal rejuvenation? You can make a. tighter. But it's a lot of work to get like a penis pump or whatever. And so it's just like a really low blow mean thing when women sit around in a podcast studio or whatever and said, oh, this

guy has, I remember there's a curb your enthusiasm. And he's like, why isn't anyone saying like you have a big vagina? Maybe you have a huge ass vagina. Why do you think my dick is so small? Maybe your dick is so cavernous that, you know, it like, it's like a hot dog down a hallway or whatever they say. Like, so I think that's what he wanted really, he wanted people to know, like, you got to really realize how fucking horrible this chick was to be. Because she kicked him in the small dick. Yeah. Did this make you have any more compassion for him though? Like, was it effective? I mean, look, I don't think any, I'm not happy when anybody is in some bad, fucking toxic relationship. But it is just interesting because like,

I follow like, WeHo News or whatever, West Hollywood News. And somebody just, like, filmed, like, them taking down the pump and the Tom Tom Tom. Remember the Tom staying? Just pump a Tom, Tom staying. Yeah. And then it's like a, you know, so they're no part of it. They're no longer part of Tom Tom.

Tom Schwartz is on the Valley and, I'll go here. Tom Schwartz is on the valley and I feel like, like, I don't know. It's just, it's interesting when people aren't on TV that we have to get, that's why we have to give Stasi credit, that even though she was canceled,

She still managed to keep an audience and gain some people back and grow it, you know. I mean, I thought it was interesting on the Stasi show where she, you know, was like, oh, my two favorite people from the villa are coming over today. And they were like these two really pretty black girls. And but then they brought up the fact that like, oh, we enjoyed you until I went home and realized. That you had said some racist thing about black girls. And it's like, I was like, well, again, I'm glad you're addressing it. I mean, because we're all thinking it when we see that the two girls that you clicked with on the villa were the two pretty black girls.

Like, it's just kind of, that's convenient, you know? Yeah. But totally possible and real, like you might really have liked them. I mean, I didn't get that impression from watching the villa, but I'm glad that they were best friend. They picked up a paycheck, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, Hulu wants to give us a crossover another paycheck. Okay.

We'll show up. Yeah, we'll show up. We'll show up and say, hey, we Googled your race. We didn't realize you were a bitch. Yeah, so I don't know. We'll see what happens with the hymn. But I'm telling you this. I just don't you feel that way a little bit with Tom?

Probably. I mean, I didn't think of that before, but like probably. I think you're right. He like wants some sort of compassion. He wants his Ariana Maddox moment. He wants them to feel sorry for him now. And then he says that she said, or people said, she was hoping to get her

Ariana on a Maddox moment as the victim of him. Yeah. Like she's going to be hosting like Love Island and like she's going to be What's her name? She's going to be in Chicago. Could you imagine Victoria and Chicago?

Sierra, I guess nobody really was into that after show with Sierra from Summerhouse. But then she like is like doing a music video with I forgot his name. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. No, his name's like Bandozole or something. No, what's his name?

I don't know. I didn't even know she was doing music videos. But doozy. Baduzzi. Oh my God. I don't know. He is, he, he was like, he was at stagecoach. He's like a black cowboy singer, country singer. Okay. Anyway, they're supposed to be like possibly dating. Oh, and she's in his music video? Yeah. And now I'm going to get murdered for not knowing this guy's name, but whatever.

I don't even know who he is. Well, I'm saying it wrong. That's why. But he's, I don't even know anything, but it sounds like that. You would recognize the song. I don't know. Okay. But whatever. Okay, so we wish them well. Okay, I want to just talk about this really quickly because People Magazine wrote about this.

They said Chelsea Handler calls Joe Rogan completely uninformed after he's named highest paid podcaster of 2026. What I gathered was there was that article that came out about the highest paid podcasters. And his was like 82 million a year. Yeah. From Forbes. And these things are not always accurate. Sometimes you have to submit them. Sometimes they're true.

They're probably pretty close, okay? And we know he's at the top of the totem pole, as he should be. He's been doing it the longest or one of the people that have been doing the longest. Yeah. So anyway, she wrote in the comment, like, he's, you know, so uninformed and who is even listening to him? They should give this money to vets. Like. Like veterinarians or like veterans?

Like veterans. Oh, okay. You should give it to veterans and like. Somebody else, okay? I can't remember about it. Reden's somebody else. And of course, everybody's like, what? And I just was like, there's nothing that bugs me more than when someone says what? They should give that money to, this money should go to, you should take your salary in, or when someone gives money, they're like, well, that's just a drop in the bucket. Or that's just for a tax right off.

Yeah, or like, just like what you were making, there. There was a whole article where they, when we were in Chelsea lately, where they figured out how much each late night person was making per listener, per watcher. Okay. Oh wow. And she was making the most per watcher. Yeah. Because we were cable.

Yeah. And she was getting paid so much. I'm like, I don't think she would have appreciated if someone's like, well, she should give, you know, 10 of the $16 per person to the veterans that are, like, well, you know, they should are living down the street from our building. When she was on Chelsea lately, she wouldn't even issue an apology. I mean, how many times did you guys have the groups that were like, Chelsea needs to apologize to this minority?

And she wouldn't even apologize, let alone give a portion of her proceeds to the veterans. This is the thing. It was just a comment under a post. She's in a lot. She's been commenting a lot. She's like answering people back. So she's spending a lot of time. So that's fine.

Well, when you don't have kids, you have a lot of time to spend in the comment section. And she doesn't walk kids. We get it. Nobody, you're 51. No one's expecting you to have kids. No one cared that you didn't have them. No one pushed you to have them. No one's pushing anybody to have them at this point.

Like, you could absolutely be a single lady. It's okay. Yeah. Like you were, no one cares. Yeah, sit in your bed without a top on and respond to all the Joe Rogan fans on Instagram. That sounds like a lovely life. I'm so jealous. What it is is,

because he was able to do what she wanted to do after her pop culture era. Remember when she tried to go on tour and talk to people that she disagreed with? Yes, the political tour. Yeah, but he's doing it in a very non-political way of having real, meaningful conversations with people that people actually want to listen to. Nobody cared to see Chelsea Handler go and fight with Tommy Lauren in Nevada to talk about politics. Like nobody gave a shit about that, but that's what she wanted to do.

to do because she's looking for meaning in her life because she's reached this peak, woke, whatever, where she needs to feel important to like make up for all the money that she's made and she doesn't have much of a purpose left anymore. And the greatest thing about streaming services and podcasting is you have to go through a few steps to listen to it. Yeah. So if you don't like what someone's preaching, you don't have to listen to it. Yeah.

So to think like, oh, he's, you know, saying these things that I don't agree with. are making people not agree with me. Like, who cares? Like, it's not, it's not the news saying it. It's not, it's not being projected through our Alexa when we don't ask for it. And everyone's like, God, I don't like that propaganda. Like, it's just, it's whatever, don't listen to it. Like, who cares?

Anyway, the Hollywood, the wives out, this was a Hollywood reporter. And it came across, this is the cover. And it's got, you know, all the. all the bogeys, yeah. And it's got like, you know, Lou Ann, Vicky, all the housewives and it's wives out. So when I first saw it on my scroll, I thought it was, these are all the housewives that are out of the closet. Because there's been so many lesbian storylines in the last couple years. I thought they were doing like a pride episode, like a pride cover.

You're like, oh, there's Kyle. But don't you think that's a weird title, Wives Out? Well, I think it's meant to be like Knives Out. Oh. That movie was that big of a thing? No, the phrase, Knives Out, like, you know. Oh. The movie is based off of the phrase,

and I think this is a play on words with that phrase of like, Knives Out. It was Kyle and it's Portia, so we're two out lesbians. Teresa was, went to prison, so, you know, she probably did something. Yeah.

Is it Luam? I feel like Luans. Yeah. Vicky, I've never had multiple crackers in our life. So she's definitely not. There is,

you know what? Out of all the housewives, I can really say, I 100% know that Vicky has never kissed a woman, touched a tit, that wasn't in a joking way. Let me fill your breast augmentation.

Of all the housewives, she is the straightest. She would have never groped Caroline. She is the straightest of the straight. And then Giselle seems pretty strict. too. But that's what I thought when I first looked at it. And Lisa Barlow. And Lisa Barlow. No, I'm not gay. But

Baby Gorgeous. I love that song. It's good. It's actually a really good song. You're so. What is it? How's it go? You're just. Baby gorgeous. It rhymes. It's so good. I've used it in one of my posts. So, yeah, they're doing this whole thing. They're out and having fun. We've got the season 20. How are you feeling about O.C.? I think they look great.

Tamara looks incredible. Emily looks incredible. Are you afraid of Tamara, too? I'm going to be like, no, I'm going to be like, like, I'm going to take my vote from Carol Radswell. Really, Zach? Are you afraid of Tamara Judge too? Remember when she said that to Andy?

Yeah. About Bethany? Carol can fuck off. No, she's my favorite. Okay. But that's okay. So everyone, yeah, everyone looks good. Everyone looks attractive.

They look great. The season's a little, meh. It's not the big banger that I was expecting for the big, like, RH20 that they were trying to pimp out. But you never know. I mean, it could pick up. I'm hoping it gets better.

I mean, I like the Vicki's back. We'll watch. Shannon, she's not happy with you because you made fun of her falling everywhere. I know. Like she was furgy and clumsy. She was very, you hurt her feelings. That's okay. You know what?

I'm going to have boundaries with camera. We're not going to just be. all skipping through the daisies. Did you talk about the Andy Cohen bill? Oh, yes. The quiet woman. Well, yeah, I did expect the quiet woman. I won't even say the name of the restaurant anymore.

I'm going to start to go to Blaze Pizza now. Yeah, that whole thing was just funny. And she just admitted, yeah, she was like, absolutely they should be paying for it. You know, they should be so excited. It doesn't matter. Like, whatever. They were there and I think she did to help their business and but you know she got caught and she was honest when she got caught. She did say, yeah, that's what I said.

So like I'll take that. But yeah, it's fine. There's really just nothing to say about it. Like I don't know what story. Like there's no whole storyline from the season that's like riveting or like exciting or interesting. No. DeRee claims that she's her primary. her kid's primary caregiver in the child support battle.

This just keeps going on. This is an awful divorce between Doreet and P.K. And P.K.'s trying to get his story out that she is a, you know, just spends, spends and spend. Shopaholic. They still haven't, they still have the Encino home. But she was like in Europe for weeks. Celebrating her birthday with her new boyfriend without the kids. Does she have a new boyfriend?

Yeah. That just wasn't some gay guy? Like a young boyfriend, yeah. I just figured she was with a bunch of gays. Well, that's good. Yeah, I thought they'd confirmed. He's like a younger dude and she's like dating him. I love it.

Yeah. Good for her. Listen, we again, we care about the kids and all this. Yeah. So they shouldn't, whatever this is needs to be settled. But I do feel like when you hear P.K. side, it's like he created a monster. And when I read her book,

Oh, you read it? I read her book and she was very like, lovey-dovey complimentary about him in looking back at their life. Yeah. Like he's such a genius. He was, you know, had all these great entrepreneurial ideas.

He was spur of the moment. He was fun. He was done it. We were so happy. And then, yeah, I think once she got on the show, their marriage would have changed anyway. Just everybody changes when you go on the show.

But everybody also changes when you age. Like your marriage and your relationship at 25 is going to be different than at 45. It just is because you've both grown 20 years. Yeah. It could be better. It could be worse. It could be things. So like there's a chance that they would have grown apart anyway.

But that, you know, the show didn't help. The drinking didn't help. No, yeah. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right.

He did create kind of a monster by giving her every. I mean, that and then like housewives world. Like that really gets to their head and they think that they're bigger than the the show until they leave the show and then they end up like Tom Sandoval desperate for attention by making people feel sorry that he has a tiny penis. But I think Doree is just, you know, she's, I think she needs to be making some wiser decisions, right? If P.K. really is as bad as she's trying to make him out to be, then like you need to find a way to navigate him and not antagonize him. Yeah. Like she keeps spending money. She trashes him on the show. Like if I were PK, I would kind of be

pissed too if I'm expected to pay the mortgage and to pay all the bills and you're just spending frivolously on designer items and you're just buying all of these clothes and yet you're expecting me to pay all the bills and then you're calling me an alcoholic and talking shit about me on the real housewives like I would be pissed too and then she says you know I'm the one that's with the kids 95% of the time well he allegedly had a plan to take them to Europe yeah to spend their summer vacation with him and then she he blames her for not updating the passports yeah so now he had this plan and he couldn't take him yeah and um it's just it's just a bummer yeah well and he's made a few different allegations about how like she's like she kind of blocks his time with the kids like even

when she went to europe um and the kids i guess were staying with her parents he wasn't aware of that yeah and he was like i wasn't told i could have had the kids while you were in Europe, like, you know, why, and you didn't tell me you're not communicating where the kids are, what the plans are. And, yeah, I mean, listen, if she's saying that she spends 95% of the time with them, then I think a lot of the kids' responsibilities do fall back on to her in terms of updating the passports and making sure that, you know, the kids' schedules are aligned. Well, I'll tell you something, Zach.

I'll want something about PK that maybe you aren't aware of is I let him know that I had these plans and I said, I don't know where the passports are. Okay? So that's not my fault that they were not renewed. And quite honestly, this man tortures me daily. He tortures me daily. And I need these clothes for what I do, which is filming the show. There you go, mind you.

And there's no arguing with her. When she's right, she's right to read. Truly. truly I don't think it's going to end well for her. Like that will be fun to see. I want to see the boyfriend. Yeah, I want to see the boyfriend.

I want to see them all like really dating. Yeah. She said she's spent, he says she's spending crazy on fashion and travel while ignoring the mortgage payments. She claims he's the one dropping serious cash on personal expenses while not paying bills.

I believe he has a girlfriend too. I'm sure. Really? The girls are coming. Chloe Kardashian's friends. It's on Hulu August 21st. And it's Chloe. Oh my

God. I just feel like she's not Wait a minute. Chloe's not in there. She's not in the poster? No. Wait a minute. It's not about her. So she just put these girls together Yeah, the show is about the girls. Yeah. And she'll like make a cameo here

and there. Oh. Okay. Well, let there's these two girls that had their own show. these Canadian girls that are sisters, right? Nat and Liv. And then even the Malikas had their show, dolls, the dolls. Yes, they were like Kardashian dolls. They worked at the store.

Yeah. And they'd have like fights about who didn't fold the jeans right. Okay, that didn't work. And then this girl is just some new girl. I don't know, some pretty, they're all pretty. I don't know who these two are. Yeah, I don't know who the other two are. What do you think?

Are we excited? I don't think so. I don't know. I think maybe. Maybe this is the time that it'll work. I don't know. I mean, people do like just to see like gorgeous girls. But the Kardashians don't work without the Kardashians.

You know? And even then I feel like people are a little Kardashian fatigued when it comes to reality TV. But being that this is Hulu as well, maybe it's, what if I was the same production company at Stossi's or they're stealing that style? Like maybe if it's like, okay, we're going to see if this reality show works now. But you need a hook. Maybe it does have a hook. This was her comeback. The Mormon wives, their hook was, you know, they played into the Mormon wives thing,

whereas remember the first kind of promo was them and those like ugly, like, blue, whatever that, coats that they had on and they were like walking, holding hands. Like they leaned into the weirdness of Mormonism. And like these girls are all sleeping with each other and each other's husbands. Whereas like, I don't know what the hook is with these other than they're Chloe Kardashian's friends. And Chloe Kardashian's friends is an Australian. strong enough hook for me to care. And I like Chloe Kardashian.

I like the Kardashians. I would rather watch another boring season of the Kardashians than watch the girls. I think, though, like, you might not be the audience for it. Like, I think it could just be... Who's the audience? Young, like, 25-year-old women. Oh, like... The Nader girls?

That are, like, you know, that are still obsessed with, like, going to Lala Land or Airworn and, like, the mystery of L. and what's it like to be like a rich calabasus young mom and go on there. I don't know. Like, we'll see. We'll see what it is. We'll see if they're friends,

if they're fighting, if it's manufacturing the fourth wall. Well, there are two sets of sisters, right? I mean, we're watching Real Housewives of O.C. right now where we have to see them do their TikToks.

Yeah. And criticize each other about bad TikToks. At least these girls have real, like, brand deals and are, like, stunning and, like, have fashion sense. Yeah. and are fucking like hot guys. Listen, I hope that they're able to kind of, I think they needed more Chloe.

We still might have to see them do their TikToks. Oh, I'm sure. Well, like the Mormon wives, we see them do their TikToks. Did you see what on Real House is supposed to see they put like nylon's over their head to blow out a candle? What were they doing? That's a trend. I never saw that trend. I don't do trends.

Like, I just do funny shit and like move on. I don't do like. I'm bad at trends. Who cares about the trends? I mean, they're all obsessed with those trends. but I guess if that's what gets people to watch your shit, who cares. Yeah, there are like the dancing trans, yeah. But we have to watch them the behind the, like, I'm always like, God, like, I do feel like Jita really does work hard because she has to sell the houses with the husband, the fiance.

Then she has to do all these TikTok trends. Yeah. And then she has to go film this show. Well, that's why Vicki's her mentor. Vicki's going to teach her how to be an entrepreneur. Oh, listen. We're going to end it. I can't, I can't deal with anything anymore. Listen, Zach, you're such a delight. You've so much going on. You're such a wealth of knowledge. Where can people enjoy more of you? My podcast is called New Filts with Zach Peter. You can watch or listen to that or you can follow me all over at Zach Peter all over the internet. TikTok, Instagram, X. And you do a lot of like hot takes like right in the moment. That's kind of your thing.

and funny stuff too and so very entertaining to watch. Thank you. Thank you. And everything for me is at heathermcdonald.net. Thank you. Bye.