Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Playboy Murders and Epstein Island with Holly Madison

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

Former Girl Next Door star and most famous Playboy Playmate is back to talk murder. Holly Madison reminds of how she first was introduced to the playboy world, mansion, playmates and Hugh Hefner. Holly is the host of the second season of Playboy Murders. We get into several of the shocking and relatively unknown tragedies. We dive into how the connection to Playboy played such a big role in the murders. The cases involve playmates who were victims and perpetrators. They way they were portrayed in the media the murder trials was extremely intriguing. Then we get into the latest regarding the Jeffery Epstein “list” and the surprise creeps who are allegedly involved. Enjoy!  To get this new customer offer and your new 3-month unlimited wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month, go to https://MintMobile.com/JUICYSCOOP Give your hair a glow-up with OUAI. Go to https://TheOuai.com and use promo code JUICY for 15% off any product Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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or real life hot cat. Listen in, listen up. Woo-hoo! And a McDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have returned guest, Holly Madison. Of course you know her from her books, her new shows

on ID that we're gonna talk about, second season of Playboy murders, also Girls Next Door, famous playmate, your stellar podcast that everyone loves, that you guys have been doing for a while. I think this is like the fourth time you've come on my show. I think it is, yeah. So it's always a fun show to do. I'm excited that you're coming back because you have your second season of the Playboy murders.

Yeah. And tell us like a little bit about how it came about and the response and everything. Because it's kind of like a new thing for you to be getting into, which I think you're really good at. Thanks. Yeah, the production company, LionTV, came to me. They sent a deck to my agent of the shows they wanted to cover.

And when my agent first brought it up to me, I was like, I can't do another playboy thing. Like, I'm up to my ears in it. Like, I'll have nightmares. Like, I don't want to. And he goes, OK, we'll just take a look at this deck and then let me know what you think. But when I saw the cases they wanted to cover for in it, like I'll have nightmares, like I don't want to. And he goes, okay, we'll just take a look at this deck and then let me know what you think. But when I saw the cases they wanted to cover for season one, many of which were cases I'd never heard of.

You know, I thought I knew everything about the history of everybody who'd ever been involved in Playboy. But I was really intrigued by it. And I thought, this is a show I'd actually watched. So I really wanted to be involved. And I had a great experience, season one. So we're back with season two. And I'm even more excited about this season. I'm really excited to share these stories.

Some of them involved people that I knew of or had met in real life. Some of them are stories I hadn't heard of before until they were brought to my tension. And we're also covering the Dorothy Stratton case, which is a very famous case, but we're talking to people that I don't remember ever seeing interviewed on a documentary before, like her roommate who lived with us.

Let's just remind people of Dorothy Stratton. I definitely was probably the most famous tragedy, besides the tragedy in general of Playboy, which was revealed a lot in the doc. And I think in knowing and watching that documentary about how many people they interviewed that documentary about all, you know, how many people they interviewed that was so interesting on Playboy, in reading some of these cases which we'll get into as talking about, it does, there is such an element that ties Playboy to these

different tragedies and what, I don't know, like now I just feel like we know so much more. And being that you lived it, you were on Girls Next Door, you were the main girlfriend, you were with you for so many years. And I know you had some trepidation about even being part of that big documentary. Did you watch it? Did you watch the other women from like 40 years back be interviewed and like And what how did that affect you like knowing all that which you clearly didn't know When you walked in at how old were you when you first went to the party

That's one for one. Yeah, and then got involved and got sucked into that world and gone the show like involved and got sucked into that world and gone the show. Like, was that bizarre to you? Like to know that this all existed before you stepped in. And the story that you were sold in 2000 or whatever it was versus what had been going on for 30, 40 years prior to you stepping foot. Yeah, it was really bizarre and hard to watch. I'm very grateful for all the women who shared their stories.

I feel less alone because of it, and that's why I wanted to be interviewed for that documentary and agreed to be interviewed is because I wanted to support them as well. And I had no idea about any of that stuff when I first came to the mansion. Over the years, I was there. I started to have an idea of a little bit of it, but not very much. How were you getting, how were some of the things that we were like, home, and maybe you pushed your back of your mind

or didn't want to know more? Well, the first person who was interviewed first, Secret of Play, what was Jennifer Saginaw, who was the daughter of Heft's doctor, and she lived at the house for a while. And she had written a book while I was there, maybe like Midway into my time at the mansion. And I just remember when it came out,

Heft kept trying to debunk it by saying, well, look, she got this fact wrong. She said she saw John Belushi there at this date, but he was dead by this date. Like, he was pointing out all these inconsistencies. So, you know, I kind of took it with a grain of salt, but I don't disbelieve any of it. So did you read that book?

I did, but very like low key. Like, I didn't want Huff to see. I was reading it in the bathroom. Yeah. And I didn't know what to see I was reading. I was like in the bathroom. Yeah. And I didn't know what really what to make of it at the time because he was kind of pointing out and consistencies with it. But now I don't disbelieve any of like the,

you know, the real stuff that happens. Right, and when somebody comes out with something like that, you know, and you've got the person that you're living with that's your whole world being like, oh, she was bitter, they're chasing something or she couldn't make it as an actress. So now she's doing this tell all to get press. They just want to get pressed.

Of course, that's always the thing that you hear from the man that's denying the accusation, you know? Yeah, absolutely. And then with Sandra, a Theodore story, she was half-sgirlfriend in the 70s and she shared her story on Secrets of Playboy, which was really heart-wrenching to watch. You know, she was still like coming up to the mansion for certain social things while I was there and she was always really nice, but I always kind of had a suspicion that maybe something hadn't

been happy, just little, you know, things I would hear from people who've been friends with her back then and saying that she didn't always enjoy her time there. And I always kind of felt like she seemed when she would come back up like she was almost about ready to cry, but I didn't really know her that well and I didn't know what that was. I thought, well, maybe she just had a drink and is having fun or maybe it's been a rough day. I don't know.

Like, I didn't look into it too much, but it was those little clues that when I hear the story now, I'm like, oh, it all makes sense. Now would she the one? Because I remember this is just stuck in my brain so much, there was one of them that, you know, was very happy to be with, with half and thought that he adored her and loved her. And she was trying to be an actress. And she was so excited and she got an agent or an audition or something. And he basically squashed it.

He like found out and to her face was like, oh, that's great. And then went and called and was like, don't give her the part or dump her as a client because if she gets this, then I can't control her. And I actually don't want her to be a success. I actually don't want her to be on Hawaii 5.0 or whatever. Yeah, I think that was Sandra, that had that story.

And I thought that was so telling. And I thought it was a good thing for people to see today. Because I think a lot of people get in relationships where there's a big power dynamic. And they're like, oh my God, this is great. He's rich, he's great, he's connected. Yeah, he's 20 years older or whatever,

but I'm thrilled to like, you know, get to meet all these important people. And then the years go by and you're like, well, why haven't I been given anything? You know, or why haven't I gotten anything? And the truth is that person that could get you on a show like that literally could pick up the phone as easily

as picking up the phone and saying, don't give her the part, could be like, hey, my girl's going out for a five and under on a sitcom. Can you get it for her? Yeah. They just as easily can be like, you better make sure she doesn't get that part. Yeah, for sure.

100%. And I think, you know, with half from what I observed, it seemed like any time one of his girlfriends did find success and like left because of it. It kind of seemed like he got stricter and stricter with each new group of women that came along to try and keep that from happening. But when I was 21 and going up to the mansion

and seeing it from the outside, everybody, including him, acts like they're so happy, I thought he just loved the revolving door. and if his playmates went on to be success was great. Good for the magazine. I didn't think there was anything weird about that, but apparently it was just- You want to just remember it right now? Because I told you that like around 98, 99, I was going to the parties and I was on the

list. I don't know when they needed some people to go, I guess. Stop. I was on the list. But I remember getting invited, and I want to say her name was Brandy. She was one of his girlfriends, and she got on, maybe I should have white.

And the party was, it was a smaller party, but still a party, but not like a mid-summer. And they're like, we're having a party for her because she got on the Hawaii thing. And I remember going, oh, that's really nice. I guess they won't still be boyfriend and girlfriend, whatever. But now I'm thinking that was kind of the last time

that he allowed that to happen. Yeah, I mean, based on what I know from him, I think he kind of expected her to come back. I'm sure she was probably very clear on her intentions, but I think he kind of expected her to come back and then was disappointed when that didn't happen. And then you didn't see anybody else doing anything until girls next door,

but he very much thought he can control that as well. Yeah, I just think I think a lot of people get with someone and to the outside world, they're, oh my God, they're Instagram, even today, their Instagram numbers went up. They're on the red carpet, they're this, oh my God. And then the years go by and it's like, well, no, that who knows if that person,

even like a Kato Kaila. Okay. Like, I remember talking to Kato Kaila and famous from the OJ trial. And I was like, you know, you became famous, you were this famous neighbor and everything. I go, but you were like booking stuff and you were like a legit actor going out for stuff. Do you ever wonder if you were not living in that guest house? Had you could have been on fucking friends? Like who knows?

Yeah, because now all anyone can see him as is the OJ guy. And he can't get lost in a role anymore. He can't be anyone else's new discovery. And that's sort of casting director wants. They want to feel like they found the person. Yeah. So, okay, let's talk about a couple of these cases. This one, I'm not aware of her name's Lori Benbenek. This is Lori Benbenek. She was framed for murder in the early 80s, ended up going to prison for 10 years. She worked as a playboy bunny at one of the resorts up in the Midwest and in the 80s. Yeah, but she only worked there for three weeks. Okay.

She had been a police officer before. And once she got framed for this murder, all anyone wrote about was that she was the Playboy bunny killer. You know, they framed her kind of as this femme fatale. And nobody ever ran a picture of her in her police officer uniform or anything else. She was just known as a bunny. And this was something that was very bothersome.

She was like the waitress girl in the queue. Yeah, in costume. or anything else she was just known as a bunny. And this was something that was very bothersome. She was like the waitress girl in the cute cocktail costume. And so what was the case? How did they frame her? What happened? Well, it was the ex-wife of her husband who was murdered and supposedly there had been a large man in a wig wearing an army jacket according to the kids' testimonies. The kids were in the house that night. They saw it, but they weren't killed.

But somehow it got turned around on her, and there's some suspicion because she had filed a discrimination suit against the Milwaukee Police Department because she'd been let go from the force for reasons she thought were shady. So it's all a very suspicious situation. And she ended up writing a book about it after the fact. So I was able to go in and kind of see she's no longer with us now.

She passed away at age 50, but she was- But what you did get convicted? She did, and she spent 10 years in prison. She escaped. She met someone in prison. They escaped. She went to Canada, got caught there, and she was only extra-died back to the States when they agreed to retry the case. So she ended up getting second degree, but time served.

So she was free after that, but it was just a wild story, and it got so much press attention at the time. And by the time she escaped, everybody was kind of rooting for her. And her nickname was Bambi, so it was like run Bambi run was the slubbing. Oh, I remember this, I remember this like made for TV movie now. Yeah. Because they called her Bambi in the police academy training.

They all had nicknames for each other. Well, you know, it's just, it is just so, it's so interesting how press and media, you know, any kind of like, even when you watch a date line or whatever, if it's like a Hollywood story, you know, any kind of like, even when you watch a date line or whatever, if it's like a Hollywood story, you know, and they're like, oh, and I'm like, oh, let me get into this one and it's like,

they'll exaggerate how much the person even worked in Hollywood. It'll be like, and she had, you know, and you're like, wait a minute, she was an extra. For one day, yeah. Like, but anything to kind of like grab on that the players in it were Hollywood driven or attractive. So then any association with Playboy,

you know, just really ups the interest. But then of course it can be really used against you too. When in this case. It's frustrating because back then, there was no social media or anyways, she could really speak for herself. And she couldn't do a tech talk. And be like, oh, excuse me.

Yeah, like I was really a police officer. Yeah, not just a waitress for three weeks. Yeah, and they fired me because I was being hit on and I was gonna talk about it or whatever the case might have been or they were just pissed that they were even allowing women back then to be cops or whatever. Yeah. Okay, this story is crazy. Yes, I'd never heard of this one until the producer brought it to my attention.

This is Melanie Holler. She was an actress. She was on Welcome Back Cotter. She had a recurring role on that show. Which is a huge sitcom in the 70s with John Travolta. It was like, yeah, that's when there were three channels on TV and millions, millions people watched each show. Yeah.

And she did a celebrity pictorial in Playboy. And while the magazine was still on the newsstand, she was invited out to a party in the Hamptons at this guy's house. His name was Roy Raiden. He was a producer. And a bunch of horrible things happened at that party. She was terribly abused, almost left for dead.

So it's happened where Roy actually called her mom and said she's out here. I don't know how he got his mother's information. Her mother's information. And she said, well, can you put her in a car at least? And he said, no, $60 for a limous too expensive. I'm putting her on a bus. And she was found on the bus, just beaten and like, what, you gave me some of the notes. So these were the things that I gathered was like she also met some guy who she brought as her date and she was going there with her portfolio to audition. And to audition for this legit movie producer that did the movie Cotton Club,

which was a big movie. I want to say I even think maybe Eddie Murphy or someone was in it, but it was a big movie like in the 80s. And so, you know, again, whether it's Harvey Weinstein, or whatever, you're like, okay, this is my chance. And I am a legit actress. I have been on set. I am attractive, naturally beautiful back then. People didn't have all the plastic surgery. So it was hard to find the girl that had the perfect teeth and the perfect head. And so then she goes out there

and these group orgy kind of things happen to her. They drug her. And thank God she lived, but they find her. Like, yeah, like the neck and, yeah, I mean, the fact that this guy just didn't even care that she was beaten and abused and raped and he throws her on a bus or a subway or something back to the mom and then someone found her next to her portfolio. Yeah. I'm just like, but let's get into how weird the background of this guy was and the things

that they found as evidence of the kind of shit that these people were into in the 80s. Yeah. they found his evidence of the kind of shit that these people were into in the 80s. Yeah, well, he was a producer of live events like Vodville and things, well, Vodville revival at that point, but he was very successful, later got into movies, as you said, like the Cotton Club, and he was doing a lot of crazy stuff at his house.

They found videotape, they found all kinds of evidence of weird ritualistic things and stuff. Like Satanic stuff. Like Satan satanic stuff. It's really snuff films. Which I didn't know what snuff films were, you'd hear that. And they're actually films that existed where they would film like actual murders. And people would pass them around. And I think back then, there weren't VHS tapes and stuff like that. So you kind of had to be with someone in the movie industry to have it be playing on film to see it. Yeah, or somebody has to have the whole theater set up at their house. Yeah. And so here are these people that are these elites in Hollywood back then.

but here are these people that are these elites in Hollywood back then, this shit really happened. You hear about it now and people think, it's not real or whatever, what crazy TikTok conspiracy, whatever. But according to this hardcore evidence, this shit was happening in the 80s with people in the industry, and then they would actually abuse these women and have these sex orgies with also women participating and abusing

the women and film it. Yeah. It's really disgusting. Okay, so what happened with her case? Because then she was able to point out the people who did it. But the guys barely got a slap on the wrist. I don't think they did any time or anything. I think it said 30 days for one guy

and the other guy, a fine for a thousand. Yeah, it was just, and a lot of that was, she was a playmate. She went to the party willingly. She drank and did drugs. Her issue was still on the stand when it happened. So everybody just kind of had this prejudice in their mind that they should never have had in the first place.

But oh, her issue of Playboy was still on the news stand. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, oh, well, this girl, this is what happens. This is why you shouldn't take nude photos for a magazine. Yeah, that's how people photo. And or thinking like, well, this is what crazy how old people do and you deserve it. And yeah, it's horrific for sure.

And where is she still alive today? She's still alive. Roy Raid and I believe this separate case is in a case I'm focusing on so I might have the fact strong, but I believe he got murdered in what they call the Cotton Club murders. Oh, that's, yeah. And they found him in like the desert. Obviously look like a hit. Oh, that's, yeah. And they found him in the desert.

Obviously looked like a hit. Yeah, really scary. I'm thinking, I just read that. I'm like, oh, he raped the wrong person's daughter. Right. He took somebody, somebody's kid got invited or was excited to go to this fancy party in the Hamptons thinking they were gonna make connections. And somebody's uncle or whatever is in the mob.

And they were like, no, not today, Satan, like your father did. Yeah. It could be karma comes back around. Yeah, that was just, it's just, I just, there's something to show sad about this or sexual harassment or like the harvester anything where someone thinks, like, I don't know, just because I look back, reading, even reading the stuff that you sent me, I just like, brings back like so many memories of just

somebody going, hey, you want to go to this? And I'm like, oh, I can meet some people. And I can, for sure. And it could lead to something and,, hey, you want to go to this? And I'm like, oh, I can meet some people. And I can, for sure. And it could lead to something. And, you know, you'll almost go anywhere. You know, when you don't have connections and you're just like, because you think of it as work,

you're just putting yourself out there, you're mingling and you never know what's gonna be the wrong thing. Yeah, and I mean, even in my early like standup days, I just remember I did this tiny little bit, a friend of a friend worked for E and it was like E was like barely around and she's like I want to do a story on like female stand-ups. I had literally done stand-up like I don't even know, probably 10 or 15 times and so they come to the comedy store in

the belly room and she films a little thing and the woman who runs it is like so excited because she's been doing it for like 30 years and has never been on TV so it's like whatever. And I get interviewed but you know, E they keep playing that shit. And this guy comes up to me at the Starbucks in in Brentwood and he's like, Hey, I saw you and you know my friends a comedy manager I saw you and my friends, a comedy manager. And I was like, I'm like, oh my God, all I want is representation. This is amazing. All right, come. I'm doing another show at the Belly Room Comedy Store this weekend and Dun-Dun-Dun.

So the guy comes and he's like, yeah, I think you got something. Let's, you know, let's meet. Let's work together. And I remember my sister and my best friend, we went across to house of blues and we were partying. And I was like, next year it's the Oscars. Like I was just like, finally I had someone that can send me out of the, so the guy gets me booked at this club, which doesn't exist anywhere, which was great, but, you know, I'm like, oh my God, I remember I called him. I don't like, I'm so excited.

I can now host, meaning I'm just basically doing five minutes and introducing people. No for no money, of course. And he's like, well, I have a little issue. I'm like, what? He goes, well, my phone died, or so I don't know what, he said he needed $180. This is my big Hollywood like, what? He goes, well, my phone died. I don't know what he said. He needed $180. This is my big Hollywood manager, right? And I'm like, thinking in my dumb head

of desperation in Hollywood and being like 22 years old, I was like, oh my God, I got to get this guy's phone back and running. Like how are all these people gonna find me? Right? Everything you're only like this. And my part, so I go and I give him the $180. He never pays me back. Ugh. And then, but every time he'd be like,

Hey, you know, let's go over your standup or something, I would go and then of course one day he like makes a move on me. Oh no. And you sell grouse. Oh. I never got my $180 back. No. Oh, it's the worst.

It's the worst, but I was just so excited. Yeah, but especially back in the day when we didn't have those online resources and you're new to the industry and you don't know anybody at the time. Yeah. You're kind of just, you know, and you're told to do that. Networks show up everywhere, take every opportunity. Yeah. We do a fair amount of gossiping on this

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When you, when you got, remind people again, because I don't remember, you get, you come here from, where are you from again? I came from Oregon. Yeah, I transferred colleges. I was at Loyola Marymount. So you're at Loyola Marymount going to school.

Mm-hmm. And how did you, did you know you, were you interested in modeling, acting, like what was your thing? Yeah, absolutely. I definitely wanted to model or act or just do something in the entertainment industry. I can even know what.

So I had an agent. I had my head shots. I was going out on auditions and also I was working to pay my tuition. The part that the scholarship didn't cover. But I also have to keep my grades up to keep the scholarship money. So I was just kind of flopping at everything so I was trying to do too much.

And I'd been invited to the Playboy parties, which I love Playboy and one of my favorite parties. How are you first invited to the party? I was in a Hawaiian tropics contest. I ended up working for Hawaiian tropic and half-stocked her would invite the girls from Hawaiian tropic to go. He would just tell the Hawaiian tropics.

That was like you were debating suits. You have a sash, right? would invite the girls from Hawaiian tropic to go. He would just tell the Hawaiian tropic that all these girls would invite it. So all of that, that was like you were debating suits. You have a sash, right? Like you're like an effagient. Usually to events though, you'd wear shorts and like a crop top that said Hawaiian tropic, or you'd be hired to be like a featured extra in a movie if they wanted like cute girls or something.

So you were just in this cute girl situation. And you get paid how much back in the day to like go participate. I don't even remember. I mean, if I could guess and it would be completely the wrong number, it wasn't like a lot of money, but it was, you know. I was a bud light girl.

Uh huh. That we go to bars and a couple of events. And I found the outfit. It was like pretty conservative actually. It wasn't even like that cute. Anyway, I remember it was $75. And I was pretty excited to get that for three hours to be with my friends.

Yeah, it was probably something similar for the Hawaiian trop. And you just like, for it and gave out like a free button. Yeah, it wasn't your picture taken. Yeah, yeah, really wasn't that bad. Okay, so you, so you get invited to the parties. And then, well, I went to the big party, then it's summer night stream party. And then I was asked to come to the Sunday pool parties, which are smaller and much more exclusive.

And I started going to those and, you know, talking to the people that would go every Sunday. I didn't really talk to half much or anything until about, like, a year after going to my first Sunday pool party. That's when I went out with the group. Well, that's when you're out the group. And then they were like, we want you to stay. And at that time, were you still in school?

No, I had dropped out and taken some time off, like right before. So I was like, I'm not doing well at anything right now. I need to like narrow it down. So I'll try and do something in the entertainment industry. Because you have to do that while you're young. I can go back to school at any time. So are you like living in some apartment in LA,

like give a roommate? Yeah, with a couple other girls who are also working at Hooters with me, because that was my job. Yeah. And around that time, both of my roommates had decided to move back home. So I was like, I'm the homeless. So now you're taught.

And that's why I went out with the group, because I was like, maybe I could live there for a while. I wouldn't have had the balls to do that if I hadn't been like almost homeless. Right. So then you're like, all right, fine. Like, who knows where this will lead? Yeah.

And then was there any opportunity before the TV show that maybe it was sabotaged? Now that you look back? I don't know that anything particularly was sabotaged. I caught on look back. I don't know that anything particularly was sabotaged. I caught on pretty quick that I wasn't supposed to work. He didn't want us having any kind of like day job or anything like that. So like sneak around and go to auditions and things like that. And I'd get callbacks for things.

But I got to a point where I was like, I give up on this. I forget what it was. But it was one of those like three strike experiences where like I was on hold for a commercial. So I called my agent like, am I still on hold? And the new receptionist was like, you are never on hold for anything. It was just a bunch of weird experiences like that. I'm like, I'm done with this. This is such a pain in the ass. Right.

And then the show came along. I know, there's sometimes in this business where it just hits you on the wrong day. There's no other days where you're like, keep going since there. And then there's other days where you're like, you know what and sister. And then there's other days where you're like, you know what? Fuck it. I can't take it. I can't, yeah.

It's too much uncertainty. Yeah, I totally hear you. Okay. Oh, this was just a photo of her whole thing. And she went on this girl that we went back to the one that was unfortunately beaten and all this stuff. And then she just let a quiet life, right?

Yeah, I think she chose to live privately, which is understandable after all that trauma and going through the case and everything and not feeling like people are siding with you, I imagine. Yeah, but she's still with us, so that's good. Okay, now these girls, the Bentley twins, I remember them and they were his two identical girlfriends. They were in the press a lot. And they were right before kind of you guys, right? Yeah, the first mid-Summer night stream party I went to,

he was still dating the twins. And I remember seeing them and thinking they were the best looking people I'd ever seen in my life. Like, I, like my jaw was on the floor. I just thought they were stunning. And I never got to know them personally because they were gone by the time I moved in,. I just thought they were stunning. And I never got to know them personally, because they were gone by the time I moved in, but I just thought they were so pretty.

Now, this is a crazy story. So, one walk is through it. Okay, so this is kind of a stranger than fiction story. So, one of the twins, Sandy, she was dating half, but on the side she was saying this guy who, Markegala, who was this very young, like early 20s kind of Wall Street guy who we would find out later was embezzling a lot of the money people were giving him to invest.

He ended up spending $7 million on Sandy. I don't know how to get a guy just not much money, but he's put his $7 million on how, like just jewels and butter a house in Vegas, remodeled the how. Oh, she's like, also like coming back. And but at this time, they didn't have the 9 p.m. Yeah, I think things were a little more lacks back then. But she and this twin sister still lived at the mansion

while she was seeing this Wall Street guy. Yeah. And he was young but rich. Okay. Yeah, so he spent all this money on her, but then, is this the guy that she met at the Garden of Eden? Yeah.

Well, she met half at the Garden of Eden. I'm not sure. I totally remember that place. Yeah. You don't know who I think, I think that's where Kyle from Real House's Beverly Hills met Mauricio. Really?

The Garden of Eden was on La Sianica, right? I don't know, because I think it was over by the time I was kind of on the scene. I definitely remember going there. Okay, so continue. Yeah, so this Marquigala gets busted for what he's doing and then they start looking into where did all the funds go,

where did all this money goks? They're trying to get it back for the victims, right? So they find that a lot was spent on Sandy and they're seizing all her assets. And apparently she and her new boyfriend are really good looking guy who was a doorman at the Garden of Eden. It all comes back to Garden of Eden

for some reason. They had taken some of her jewels and had hidden them and tried to sell them kind of on the down low to get some of that money back. And he ended up being found dead along with his best friend who went with him in a car and the jewels were gone. And it's still to this day unsolved.

But wait, where was the Wall Street guy? He was no longer involved at this point. So he was out of the picture, but he's alive. And the knees two guys were found. Dead, yes, they were trying to sell the jewels. And the jewels were gone. They were dead. Nobody knows who has the jewels, they were trying to sell the jewels. And the jewels were gone. They were dead. Nobody knows who has the jewels, who was supposed to buy the jewels.

And when all this was going down, were they still hanging out with half or no? I think they were, I think she was gone. Well, she was definitely gone by the time the murders happened. I remember hearing about it maybe a year or two after I moved in. I remember one of her friends was telling me about it at the dinner table and I just thought this is stranger than like you can't write this stuff. So many twists and turns.

I remember like seeing a lot about this like during the hard copy days and stuff. And I remember they'd be like following her like out of a store in Vegas or whatever. And they, where are these twins now? Because I feel like we have not heard from them and they were not part of the Playboy doc. No, they've definitely been living quiet lives.

I know Sandy got married and had a baby. And you know, everybody I know who knows them only has nice things to say. And I think they're just living quiet lives. And so the other girl, though, Sandy, the other sister never was involved. No, she wasn't involved as far as I know. What happened to those two other twins?

Oh, the Shannon twins, who were their later? Wait, weren't there all, so maybe these were playboy. There were these two other twins that were always on hard copy that were super farby twins. The barby twins. They were in playboy. I don't think they were like ever involved with half or anything. two other twins that were always on hard copy that were super far between the bar between they were in playboy. I don't think they were like ever involved with have for anything

but they were in the playboy a couple times and they would just get so much plastic surgery and they were so skinny and they really big yeah what happened to them. I don't know that's a good question. Someone I someone listening knows what's happened to them. Yeah, I just feel like those shows that were on like at seven at night, like every night, like the hard copy, the extra, they must have paid these weirdos to be on and all the time. Like they must have been getting something out of it. I feel like there was 10,000 stories on this Barbie twins.

Yeah, you would think. Yeah, but it was great publicity back then though, because this was back when there were only, like, handful of channels. Right, exactly. Well, you know the, the Courtney Staudin. She is the young girl that married that actor.

She came on my show years ago, and like, I was probably one of the first interviews that she did after she was rid of him and everything. And she, and she was 16, she was a virgin. Her parents signed off on her marrying this guy. She had big natural boobs. So she looked a lot older than she was. But I asked about it. And she goes, oh, no, we got paid for that. We'd be paid all, he was so, he would constantly, and they always, people were so fascinated that he was like 51

and like this character actor, and she was the 16 year old whose parents signed off on it, but she looked like she was 40, that they were like, that's what people wanna see. They would do another interview with them, and another interview with them, and another, and it was like, wow. Oh my God.

That's crazy. But it was because he was negotiating money. Oh, wow. For them to be on it. Yeah, like, tablet style. That's crazy. I think there's gonna be, I think more and more,

we're gonna see more stuff. Like, I feel like there's some sensational podcast guests and stuff that are happening. And I'm like, how did they get that one? I'm like, oh, I think someone just offered them like 10 grand. Probably, right? Yeah, because I'm like, it just doesn't make sense.

Like if you're gonna do one, why wouldn't you go for like the biggest one out there or whatever? And I don't really begrudge the person for going and being like, here's 10 grand, do my show. And they don't have to say anything, why, you know, whatever. But like, I wonder how Gypsy Rose picked the interviews she did. Nick?

Yeah. And I think she's the only one for her. It's a big show. Yeah. I know, this is what I think. What? I think he's taking a page out of Bethany's book and I think he's going to help set up her own podcast

under his umbrella. Oh, that makes sense. That's my prediction. Yeah. That totally makes sense. I mean, I don't know how that's gonna be, but. Yeah. I mean, she's fascinating.

She's so good at press. Yeah. For somebody who's just, I mean, I guess it makes sense because, or somebody who's been in jail for so long. But I guess it makes sense because her mom was always, you know, pushing her out there to kind of be a spokesperson for them on a local level and stuff.

So I guess it makes sense, but. And also the mom, I mean, listen, if that's what you're raised with, like I remember I had a friend whose mom was really attractive. And at a very young age, she was like, I'm gonna show you how you get free dry cleaning. And she flirted with the weird dry cleaner.

And she was like a single mom. And like, just like, you might have a mom that like, teaches you how to cook really well. And then there's moms that are like, let me show you how to get a guy. And, you know, and you laugh lightly, it did it, you know, or whatever. And then I think there's ones that,

whatever those manipulative traits are, you might benefit from them in a positive way, providing you're not doing munch houses by proxy. But like, yeah, maybe. Yeah, she handles her stuff really well. I feel like if I were in her position, I'd be like, a lump. Yeah.

It wouldn't be good at it. No, I think she loves the attention. I mean, it is kind of like the ultimate flex. You got a guy to kill your mom. You went to prison. He's gonna spend the rest of life in his prison. In prison, you're out, but you didn't even marry that guy. You hadn't married somebody else.

Yeah. And you had like, she had so many guys writing to her. Yeah, they seem like a cute couple now together. I like their funny little, when she writes like the D is fire on his face. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's cute.

We'll see. We'll see where she is in a few months. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna wanna hear the podcast for a year. I don't know if we'll be over it in three months. It's kind of interesting to see like who lasts. Yeah, it's interesting to see like who the public attaches to

and- I mean, originally I thought they'd go straight to OnlyFans. But I don't think that's gonna, I don't think it's gonna happen for a while. But I like to predict what people are gonna do. It doesn't mean I'm gonna write. I think they're good at predictions. Yeah, I do.

I really wanna know what happened with these girls. I would love to hear from them. Yeah, me too. I think it'd be so interesting. Okay, now this girl, I totally remember this story. This has been a subject of like, I think a lot of date lines in 2020s. Tell us about this.

Yeah, this is Paula Sledewski. She posed for Playboy during the 50th anniversary Playmate search, which was done back in 2003. She later went on to live in Miami, and she went out to a nightclub with her boyfriend. One night, they got in a fight at the club, and club security kind of separated them, and they let Paula go first and waited a few minutes before they let the boyfriend out, because they thought, you know, They were helping in that way, but she ended up out there by herself and was wandering around this neighborhood Trying to get home and then later her body was found horribly burned in a dumpster

And this is still also an unsolved case. So she was just trying to get in the magazine as in this a search thing and trying to get in the magazine as in the search thing. But it didn't really go anywhere, right? No, she entered that big in one of the home videos that they sell, which is kind of like a compilation of the search. Okay. But of course, everyone's gonna grab on that. But I remember with this story, which I thought was,

it just, yeah, it was like there was this couple and it was very interesting because they were like this hot car. Like, he was like a mussely guy and she was a hot guy. I think kind of cheesy a little bit. And they go to like, you know, they're New Year's Eve and they're going to this hot night club and they're fighting and then she's like, fuck you. But it's like, this is all before.

Like what I think about how scary and how hard, how many women in my age and around me were like stuck at places and not safe because there was no phone with an Uber and a lift. Yeah, we forget how new Uber is. You know, like before Uber, you were screwed. You were so screwed. First of all, so hard to find a cab, especially in LA.

You know, this isn't New York. And then, so you, I remember like trying to like, like, find a phone, call information for a cab service, try to get a cab to come to a residential area. Takes forever. I mean, if you went back to like someone's house after a nightclub, you are screwed. Yeah, you're really stuck. So, like, up in the hills. Yeah. 100%. There was some story I can't remember that was someone was telling me or maybe it was just

it was one of those. Oh, I know it was one of the stories involving Danny Masterson. Oh, yeah. Who's now in prison? Who there were all these accounts of him, you know, drugging girls and raping them. And there was a story, maybe I did see it on a girl on TikTok where it was she and her friend and they went back to the night, from the nightclub back to his house and the master's and girlfriend was there.

Oh, the girl that, I see, it's not married to China Phillips, he's married to Bezhu. Bezhu Phillips, yeah. And they were just, I think they's not married to China Phillips, he's married to Bezhu. Bezhu Phillips, yeah. And they were just, I think they were not married at that time, but it was like that 70s show, the height of it, and they're like drinking, and they're just like cool,

because they're like, oh my God, I can't believe we're at this guy's house. Like let's just, you know, have the story to tell. And all of a sudden, the Girl Tone TikTok story, like looks over and the girl is like, like, she's like, how the hell did she get that fucked up or whatever? And she's like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom.

She like, gets up and then the master's thin guy goes and somehow she intercepted whatever was going to happen. And then the bees you fill up according to this girl got really mad at him. Like, are you fucking doing this again? Oh no. Yeah, like that type of thing. And so then they're like, we're gonna leave.

And they're like up in the hills above sunset, right? Yeah. And the phone is dead. There's no, but there's also no Uber or anything. And they literally just had to like sit on the curb in the cold. And it's confusing to get down from the hills too. Like there's my streets, like, you know. And they just sat there. The girl like passed out in the cold. And it's confusing to get down from the hills. Like, there's white streets, like, you know.

And they just sat there, the girl like passed out in the mud, and the other girl like stayed there. And they, and then by the luck of God, some cab just literally drove by, like dropping someone else off in six AM, and they got in the cab and we're okay. That's the worst. But I just, yeah, I just don't even have such a common thing though. I know, I know that people think like it's scary that we get into ubers and, you know,

and you have to be careful of that. But let me tell you, the Uber Lift world is one billion times safer. So much better than what we're before. In the past seat, you have your phone. I'm not saying you still bad things don't happen to you. But like the whole system is so much better that you can just leave when you want to leave. You don't have to have

cash on you. You don't have that credit card on you. You just have to have your phone charged. Yes. So much better. Yeah, people don't know the struggle. These days don't know the struggle of just the weird situations. Yeah, the places you get the struggle. These days don't know the struggle. Of just the weird situations. Yeah, the places you get stuck. And then they never found this girl because they said, yeah, there was different suspects. But then he was obviously a suspect being the boyfriend. Yeah, and because they had this volatile relationship

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Yeah, she was a playmate in the late 60s. She went by the name Angela Dory and then she was a playmate of the year. And she was close friends with Sharon Tay and she was really traumatized when the Manson murders happened. And it was always kind of something that was in the back of her head. Like, this could happen to me. Somebody gave her a gun to protect herself. Just to remind people, like,

Sharon Tate was this beautiful actress. Sorry, I'm just assuming everybody else. It is just a beautiful actress. And, but young, and she was pregnant with Roman Polanski's child, which Roman Polansky was accused of raping a 13 year old girl in which he was then left the country and he's never come back. No, I think he's still in front.

And then that case is really weird because that woman is, I don't know, like changed her story or come, I don't know. I don't know. She's changed her story. I got the impression she's just kind of tired of being known as only that and wants to move on, I think. Yeah, I agree. I mean, that is why people don't know, there's such. I don't know, she's changed her story. I got the impression she's just kind of tired of being known as only that and wants to move on, I think, and just wants to move on. Yeah, I agree. That is why people don't speak up sometimes,

because they're like, this was so horrible. I don't wanna go through this, you know? And then he's this rich, powerful director and all he had to do was leave. But at the time, that happened after the love of his life, I assume, Sharon Tate was this very promising actress, beautiful, perfect face. And she had these friends over and they were staying at the house off of Laurel and Charles

Manson and his weird group. He had gone there already and he believed that this record producer that blew him off because he thought he wanted to be like the next Beatles. So he was, and one day when she was there, he showed up when she was visiting Sharon and he was looking for the record producer. They're like, he doesn't live here and that guy's creepy. Then he got his weird cult following guys and girls to go to that house, told them you need to go kill those people in the house and they did.

And that was Sharon, Tate Wall, eight months pregnant and her friends. And so there was a very good chance that this girl, Victoria, could have been there but wasn't that night. She like wasn't feeling well or something. And I think that's something that can really screw you up. The person that doesn't get on the plane,

or they have the survivor skills. Yeah, survivor skills, for sure. Yeah, like when the plane crash happens, they need you to plane. And in some ways, you can be like, oh my God, God put, there's some great purpose for me, some divine intervention. But then there's this other purpose for me, some divine intervention, but then there's this other part I think

that really screws you up, where, or, and then in her case, she thought that somehow maybe they'd be after her. Yeah, so she always had a gun because of that to protect herself, but later in life, she ended up shooting her husband, and luckily he didn't pass away, he's still with us, but, yeah. But yeah. But in that one, I was reading the stuff, it was like,

you know, she went on, she still went to a lot of things and she was still kind of like one of those, like, the best 50, you know, the 50 greatest house. She was like doing, it sounds like she was posing nude, like probably late into her 30s, which was kind of unheard of back then. And but then she like meant this guy. And then it sounds like they were sort of like not killing it in life.

He had some drug issues and she was like a waitress. And in her in this case that she, the husband was shot and she tried to say it was like a drug at, like a drug dealer thing. But what did she ever do time? I believe she did do time, she's out now. Because she did, she did shoot them in a weird, so to speak. Yeah.

Like I just think there's such fascination like with just, like the beauty goes away and... Yeah, and I think there can just be a lot of, you know, mental health issues that come from being involved in such a high stakes world, or kind of your only value as the way you look and things like that. Yeah, and then just the beauty and like getting gifts

and all that kind of stuff. And like when you were there, like, would you get many presents? I mean, yeah, we would for holidays and things like that. But it would all be like evened out. Like as far as the- Like everybody would get. Yeah, everybody got the same thing.

It was very like even Stevens. And it wouldn't be enough so you ever felt like you were so, you know, rolling in it financially that you felt really free to leave, you know? Right, because it's like with girls that are like in a transactional kind of relationship like that, oftentimes, you know, they do try to get the real burkins

and the real cardying, because it's like that's their only security. And I knew a girl that lived like that for many years. And she really did try to make this relationship work. And then, you know, he was volatile and everything. And when she went to go leave, she wanted to come back and get her shit. And he did taking it.

And that was like her only security for all those years. She was not on a property or anything. I think that must have been what it felt like in the Sandy Bentley case because she was getting all these lavish gifts from this man thinking, okay, these are mine now. So if she had any other money saved, who knows? She might have spent that and then when they come

and say that was actually bought with stolen money that can be scary because you don't have anything left. Or even like Erica Jane, I'm gonna list those I'm really Hills. That was a very transactional marriage. And she said, play, I'm not gonna have a, you know, I never had a pre-nap.

I'm dealing with Tom Gerardi. She knew she was fucked. She knew even if she wanted to get divorced, she would be fucked. So in my opinion, and everything I've read, and I've read her book, and I've interviewed her and I've watched every episode, I think that after 10 years, she was like,

I think she tried, I think she was into it, and she was, you know, and then after 10 years, she just kind of was like, you can screw whoever you want. I'm gonna pursue this other career. And he was like, you spend, you could have this credit card and she spent it. And I mean, she really doesn't have anything to show

from those 20 years that she hasn't now built herself in the last five. Yeah, I mean, thank God she went on the show though, because now she knows she has that lifeline. And I asked, I was like, why do you think you would want her on the show when he's doing this corrupt stuff? Yeah.

And I don't think they ever think it's gonna come out. They never do, that's the narcissistic way. They just think they're smart and he thought, well, this will just get me more business. There's a lot of people that don't associate me with Aaron Brockovich or don't know. So he thought, oh, this will be great, you know, and this was the trophy.

And, but it was interesting when you look back and then he was like, want me finish? Let me finish, Erica. Like, it was just like a crotchety dick. And she just was like, whatever, I'm just gonna, you know, yeah, it's so rude. Get my jewels and whatever, but I mean, but in that power dynamic, you're kind of stuck with it, sucks.

I know what's that saying? Like anybody that marries for money works hard, it's the hardest job. Like you'll never work harder if that's the reason because you're in this weird. I do, I do, yeah, I do think when you agree to it, it is a different dynamic. Yeah, you get all the stuff, but you just don't have the say or like you're catering to this person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's 24 hours,

you're kind of watching your back and making sure you're always doing the right things. Now, do you, what about Crystal Hector? Have you read her book? It's not out yet, I don't think. Now, what about Crystal Hector? Have you read her book? It's not out yet, I don't think. Oh, OK, I've been following her. And I'm after to come on the show. She does, it doesn't respond. But I think she's saving it for herself.

I think she's doing her own show. I don't know. I unfollowed her. I was talking to her for a while. I was interested in hearing her story because she said some things before that I really resonated with. But then she started getting like really rude and mean to bridge it on our Instagram stories

for no reason. Like they don't even talk. And I'm like, I can't follow her anymore. I can't do this junior high shit. What do you mean? Like she was trying to say stuff back. Like not even say stuff back because Bridget wasn't even saying anything about her,

but she would do these Q&As on our Instagram story. And as we all know, Q&As on our Instagram story. And as we all know, Q&As are often curated, you know, if you want to say something, wait for somebody to ask you that question. So it doesn't seem something. No, I don't really know that. Really? But now that makes sense that you say that.

I feel like people do that all the time. You know what? I've had some drama in my own life, which I've joke about. And I'm like, I want off on the Real House was a podcasting because I don't enjoy it. I really don't. I wore hoops by the way, so I'm cream. But I really don't enjoy it. And it's funny that fans sometimes think it is

like curated, like I'm like, I wish it was that we got into a room and decided to do this together. So I think there's, I think that never happens. But I do think there's certain people that will leave a nasty comment under a post. As bait, as bait, knowing that like a reality blurb or something will grab that, make that a story. They can be back to Reddit.

Yeah, now there's a fight. Now you're responding. And because, but I personally don't like that. I, to me, it's like stresses me out and I, it's, it's not how I like run being a stand-up comic or what I do with this show. And so, unfortunately, now that I'm like kind of hyper aware of it, even when somebody's like, oh, this so and so said this about you on their podcast, I'm like, sometimes I'll go listen, but I'm like, I don't want to respond because then it's like, now I have the, you know,

the micro-influencers doing a thing about it and then they're never, and I'm like, and I'm not going to just keep like defending myself. So that, I never thought about with the Q&A thing because I've never done the Q&A thing on the Instagram. So meaning like you have someone, or you tell your assistant to go like ask the question, or you can put the question up. People can do that, or maybe you know it's something out there people are talking about,

and you want to respond to it, but so it seems less out of pocket, you just ask your fans, ask me a question, and hopefully somebody asks it, or you could ask yourself, I guess. Oh! And then get that drama going. Yeah. So then she started saying, just things

that were very hurtful to Bridgett, like saying, well, have never asked about her, have never wanted to see her before he died and things like that. And you know, have told me that those relationships weren't even significant in his life and just like really rude, hurtful shit. And I just unfollowed, cause I don't wanna do this junior high BS.

No, I'm just like, but the one reason that you kind of connected with her is that she was like, I found all the photos. Some of the photos, right? Yeah, they connect over that. I was expressing my concern on secrets of Playboy and saying that one of the many reasons I kind of felt like I didn't want to leave when I was at the mansion is you have all these kind of naked photos of yourself, candid photos from the bedroom, you're wasted, you don't

remember taking them. And he puts them all in his scrapbook. And then years later, I found out he wants to donate those scrapbooks to a lion. I'm just imagining like a scrapbook like of disgusting pictures. No, but like in my day, when we were before like iPhones, they were like stickers and like the cutouts. Yeah, they were women that would literally sell like a multi-level marketing packaging of scrapbooking. Yeah.

And I am like totally not crafty. I'm not a Michael's person. I'm horrible at art. I don't frame photos. I never did it. But like I'm not a Michael's person. I'm horrible at art. I don't frame photos. I never did it. But like, I'm a bitch. I didn't click. Yeah.

The cutters of the skull. Like, here we are. Okay, so go on. You know, his were very basic. It was just like a picture picture and then names and things like that. So it's kind of gross to know that. It's very revenge porn.

Like so many of these, the old fashioned revenge porn. Yeah, and there's so many of these women who were coming to test for playmate who maybe never became a playmate or a girlfriend or nothing ever came out of it. And they have their explicit photos that maybe they were wasted

and don't even remember taking with their name on it in the book that he wants to put in the like public library. That's gross. So, What do you mean public library? Well, he wants to like donate it to a library. Like, you know what he wanted to do.

UCLA has them now. They're just not like on display. I'd see what they went on display. So where to go? Wait, UCLA has some of the actual like all of them, I think. So then there were other ones that were even more explicit that were not put in this scrapbook that then she says that she took it through a way or something. Well, it's at once were, but he had multiple copies of all these photos too.

And he had this third story room, in the third story of the house, but it was the second story of his bedroom. There was a staircase that went up to it. And it was just like a hoarder mess of like all this extra scrapbooking stuff. So you would literally have mountains of prints from like his disposable camera and things like that.

So I believe that's what she meant when she threw those out. I don't think she went through his scrapbook archive and took out the ones that are not really cool to have. Oh, yeah, that's what I think. Well, okay, so let's talk a little bit about this Epstein stuff that's coming out. Yeah, that is so, and do we have any details besides what the victims have come forward,

like what was going on with these? Well, what I've always said from the beginning of covering this stuff is I was like, I've always thought that the way, because no one knew how Epstein got so rich, he was a math teacher that didn't even graduate from college that like faked his records to work at a private school okay which sometimes private schools are not as strict as who they hire whatever. He was so you know and he was young probably you know liking the high school students whatever. And then he gets into finance. And then he's running the Victoria's Secret Guys money. And then he was always getting more money from people.

And nobody really knew why he was so wealthy. And I always thought, I think he invites these people to his parties. And he's like, oh, I've got young girls around, whatever. And then has a wild party. And then the next day is like, oh, I've got young girls around, whatever. And then has a wild party. And then the next day is like, oh, by the way, the girl that gave you a blowjob last night is actually only 16.

Yeah. She's not 18. And on top of that, I filmed it. So I hope you're going to donate $5 million today. Like, I think that's what I've always thought. Yeah. And that is what I've always thought. And that is what I've heard now is finally coming to fruition in getting all this information, which the mainstream media is constantly like if they do anything about it, they're like,

and this person was on the flight log, 800 times, and all these people are saying this is what he said, but again, not accused of anything. We're not accused of, I get why they're saying that, but I'm still like, okay, so where is this, what is it? What do you have on these videos? Because I assume that's what it is, is that I think some guys came knowing that they were going to get with young girls.

And then I think some just thought that they were... Free vacation. Free vacation. And so I think some thought these were just party girls, like the kind that you'd play where I mentioned, that are young, but they're not 16. Yeah. And we're gonna have some fun and it's consensual

or whatever, but it's not, because they're being trafficked and they're forced to be there And so I think that's what hopefully we're gonna finally find out But the Stephen Hawking thing It's like so strange So what I heard most recently was someone was saying that Stephen Hawking like to watch naked little people someone was saying that Stephen Hawking like to watch naked little people solve math equations on a blackboard. And I'm like, but I mean,

I don't mean to make light of it if it's true, but that sounds like something somebody would almost say sarcastically, right? Like if you're being questioned, well, what was Stephen Hawking doing on your island? Oh, I don't know. Maybe he was watching naked little people solve math equations.

Like do you think that's real? Or do you think he was being sarcastic? It's so out there. Well, I mean, there are these accounts that he was a freak of dick, okay? He's been getting a lot of pain lately. I mean, well, that don't know, he is this genius, but he was severely handicapped

and I don't know what his thing was, but he would, you know, he was confined to a wheelchair and he would have the thing that would do, he was able to have a toxic sound in that way. I don't even know what his geniusness is, but here's a photo of him with, you know, on Epstein Island where they said, enjoy the barbecue on Jeffrey Epstein's Caribbean Island, little St. Jamesville attending a conference on gravity organized for 21 of the world's top physicists by Epstein's foundation on neighboring islands, St. Thomas. So he would have all these, again, parties.

And I think also he, along with trafficking young girls and being a horrible disgusting person, Jeffrey Epstein, I, you know, he was always involved with all these science and, and along with his science, he wanted to impregnate all these women in, um, he was building this thing in New Mexico to remember that story where he was going to like... Well, I heard Peter Nygard had something to do with that too. Did you watch the Peter Nygard documentary? No, remind us of that story. There's so much... He was a fashion guy from Canada. Okay. Got in a lot of trouble for similar things. Yeah.

Yeah. And he, yeah, and they were, and they, no, so they were not connected him or Epstein or were they? Not that I know of. I just remember. So many creeps are the last two years to keep track of them. There was, I just remember watching on the Peter and I guard Dr. Keechee. There was some footage of him talking with a friend about how they wanted to make all these

genetically superior humans or something. It was really weird. Yes, and it was so, yeah, and I just still am like, where, I just don't understand where Gisleyne Maxwell, like why she didn't share more? Like why, what, she is gonna be in prison forever, like forever. And it's just crazy that, I mean, listen,

she's a piece of shit, she's an awful disgusting person, and I think she's truly the coyote that, you know, plays with the puppy and makes him think that he's a dog, and then the rest of the coyote is come and kill. Like that is who a woman trafficker is. A woman female trafficker is, you know, and there's, it's so disgusting to think that there's any of them, but they exist a lot.

And she was one of them. And I think for her, like everyone was, I would kept thinking, well, you know, they had her before her trial staying in very poor conditions in a prison. And I'm like, aren't they getting her to like spill the beans? But then I do, I don't know, there's so many cover-ups and stuff. And I'm like, maybe she did spill the beans.

Maybe we just, and it was the wrong bean. And that, I know we don't want him. We actually want him. So unless your story lines up with this person, we really don't even wanna hear about this person. I don't know, but it seems like there were a lot of powerful people from all sides of the political spectrum, including the royals that are involved in this. And like, I just wanna know it all.

And then me too. While this is going on and every article is like, oh wow, we got more info. But they don't tell us the info. And then they're like, by the way, there's like aliens in Miami. Yeah, it's like, we're speaking of aliens. It's like when Tucker Carlson always goes on these shows

and says he knows the whole alien thing, but he can't tell anybody, because it would blow everybody's mind. Yeah. Tell us, why are you breaking that you know and you're not telling us that drives me up a wall? Yeah, like exactly. You can't throw out the bait and not reel it in. Tell her, why are you breaking that you know and you're not telling us that drives me up a wall? Yeah, like exactly.

You can't throw out the bait and not reel it in. I know, are you, and even if it's a subgirl on TikTok, it's like, let me tell you about the worst celebrity that I dated. Yeah, and then all the comments are like names, or it didn't happen. Yeah, or like what like, again, like it's just so annoying.

Like, I get it sometimes, you can't, obviously, but we want to know about the aliens. Yeah, and I want to, I'm like, when can we actually, when can we see these, you know, providing, like, if there's really video of like a president getting a BJ from a girl that we can prove was under 18 at the time and you know and it's saying yes, I was trafficked. I did this to this president. This was the day. This is my ID. Like why can't... Why can't we know that now? I don't know. What is this? Yeah. So strange. Because it's like, I really think it's interesting because Matt Murphy, who's a friend of mine,

he's a form prosecutor, and I just saw a little clip on his Instagram of him talking about this. He's like, the people that associated with Epstein like before 2008, that's when he was actually caught and for these like girls that were like 14, living in the town over. And they were all like, they were poor girls and they would say to each other, like,

come give him a massage. Yeah, come give him a massage, you get $200. And it's really not that bad. He's like an old crepe, but it's really not that bad. And like we get $200, we get $200, we get two fishes, whatever, they were young. And when that all got cracked open, then, and he got some ridiculous sentence

where he would just go to the prison like on the weekends from like eight to five. After that is when people, he was having dinner parties and celebrities were going. Yeah. And it's like Google existed. Yeah, the news existed. but you still chose to go. And again, maybe I forgive someone once

for being like, okay, I was new. I'm just getting invited to some Ailes shit. And Katie Kirk invited me. Next thing I know we're at Jeffrey Epstein's house. Well, this random guy asked to take a picture with me and I didn't really know him, you know? Yeah, I mean, like Chelsea Handler told us, tells the story and I remember she told it

when we were working together. And it was that whoever she was with, it was Katie Kirk or somebody said, would you wanna go to this Jeffrey Epstein's house and I don't know if she even put it together at the time. And then she sat next to Woody Allen and Woody Allen's daughter was there and her famous joke that she would tell is that she said to Woody Allen, oh, and how did you two meet?

Because that was just, it's a really good story. It is. It's a really good, I don't know if it really happened that way, but it's a great joke. And she told it years ago and she's told it recently. Now, there's these logs that I don't really know if they're true, and there's just all these names, and they're going around. And I'm like, but did she really go,

I think that's the only time she went, and I'm like, did she really go to the island, and the, you know, she and Jimmy Kimmel, and Wobby Goldberg are all being like, we did not hang out with Jeffrey Epstein. And there's no like proof to that. But there's all this other proof. So show that, right? Show these videotapes and things like what is, it's just so annoying.

Yeah, it's really weird. And I'm like, and the alien thing is just like, I don't even know. So I guess the theory is that aliens do exist or they don't, or they're faking stuff to make it look like aliens are coming down to distract us from all of this. That could be.

Like the submarine thing that exploded. Right. I mean, now that it's been a few months, let's just think about how fucking weird that was. Right. That was controlled by the biggest video game controller. Yeah, the biggest billionaires, some of the biggest billionaires in the world

decided to go on that. Rinky Dink. Yeah, that's weird. And I think there was something else going on in the world at that time that was like fair. Yeah, I forget what it is, but you're right. It was a big attraction. Because that was all, and was talking about,

and they're like, oh my gosh, they have 12 more hours before they all die. And then they proved that if this wasn't even true, it exploded like, or they were probably all dead, our days before it exploded. But then there is a woman that's like, no, my son is dead and he was part of it. I don't know, it's just like,

it's very, it's a very interesting time and I'm not, it is, we're not here at times. And I don't think it makes you a conspiracy theorist or wherever to watch the stuff and question it too. I don't know that it's true. I'm absolutely not, yeah. I don't know it makes you a conspiracy theorist or wherever to watch the stuff and question it too. I don't know that it's true. I'm absolutely not, yeah. I don't know that there's aliens. I've never seen one.

I know. I kind of want to. I mean, I heard it's awful, but I kind of want to. I don't know. They find someone that's like a little, there was a little one in Mexico or something. They found like some a little alien? Yeah, they found their two, they found these like

buried bodies that are not real. Oh, is that real? Who knows? Who knows? Who did I sound really funny to talk of yours where you were talking about how you're freaked out by the baby dolls. Oh, the real baby dolls.

Okay, so first before I talk about it, I have to acknowledge that there are people who love these baby dolls, and they are used, I think sometimes for therapy for people who are grieving, so acknowledge that, like you're not weird if you like the baby doll. But I think the baby dolls themselves and the fact that their mass produced is weird

because they now their mass produced. I always thought they were like a hard thing. Like, are they very expensive? But I think anybody can get them. Like I think there's like hobbyists and stuff like them. Okay. But these baby dolls, if you don't know, are they very expensive? But I think anybody can get them. I think there's like hobbyists and stuff for like, but these baby dolls, if you don't know, look like a real baby. They're so realistic.

And I just feel like their hair isn't perfect. They're a little blotchy. Yeah, like, and I feel like if I saw one, even across the room, and it was like laying weird, I think it was a real baby that somebody dropped. It's terrifying. Or like what happens when somebody's like, oh, I don't need this anymore, goodwill bag. Like, what if you found that?

What if you found one in the garbage? I'm so freaked out by those. I'm freaked out. Yes. Freaked out. I can't deal. And then people in the comments were saying, oh yeah, you know, we get calls.

Like I work at the police station or whatever. We get calls because people find these and they think it's a real baby in the dumpster. Scary. Oh, really? Terrifying, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I always thought that was a really weird.

Anytime I see like a TikTok of one come up and I'm like, hey, I don't wanna see it. Yeah. And, you know, it is crazy. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I thought that was really funny. Yeah, you were just like a really freaked out by it. Anyway, this was really juicy. I don't know what Stephen Hawking's is up to, but

I'm sending you this tiktok so as you never see it. Okay, so there's the sprinkle sprinkle lady on YouTube. She gives dating advice that's always very much about getting your bag and not putting up with bullshit. And then she says, yeah,'s always very much about getting your bag and not putting up with bullshit. And then she says, bring the, yeah, with guys. Yeah. And she goes, sprinkle what? Sprinkle the money or what does the sprinkle mean? I always pictured it like glitter or something.

Okay. All right. But she says, sprinkle, sprinkle. And there's just a really funny video of her talking about how Stephen Hawking cheated on his wife. And even Stephen Hawking is cheating on his wife. Totally. So I can't trust any man.

I'm sending you the TikTok. It's so funny. No, it's true. It's like, yeah, they're at any guy anytime, at least. Right. It gets two minutes to himself, you never know. Right, it's just like, yeah, just, yeah, you literally are not attractive and like this, but you know, that's the only thing,

even if it's not Stephen Hawking, even it's just like an average guy, and you're like, you know, that's the only, that's the thing, even if it's not Stephen Hange, even it's just like an average guy. And you're like, you know what? He's feeling confident. Yeah, he's really not that cute, but he's nice and the cute guys haven't worked out. So I'm gonna go for this guy that's not that cute, but whatever.

Just know that that guy then by you, yeah, by you lowering your standards to be with this person for whatever lowering your standards are, that boosts that guy's confidence so much that he's like, if I can get this girl, which is you, what else can I get? Yeah, I think we've all kind of done that in our dating lives. It's like this guy will be pursuing you and maybe you're not that into him, but maybe you've been through a string of bad guys.

And you're like, but this guy seems really into me. And he's like, he'll be safe. He'll be like, you know, whatever. And then no, he ends up like cheating the worst or something. Maybe this is meant to be a piece this into me. Maybe he's right. And it's hard meant to be together. And then you're like, then you lower your standards.

And then yeah. And then the worst one. Yeah, so like go for the best guy. Yeah. Also, the cuter, better guys are confident themselves. Like they're, sometimes they're not the ones that are cheating because or, or, you know, a taking advantage of women or whatever because they were always cute. Yeah.

So they got the girlfriend in high school and it wasn't. Yeah, they've been there done there. Yeah. And like if it didn't work out, it's kind of a mutual didn't work out. It wasn't like, no girl is like me for 30 years, but how you do. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh, well, I'm so glad you came. And I'm so happy for your success and that you're doing so many different things. You know what I have to say, when I listen to your podcast and the thumbnail comes up, you know those apps that will make AI finish your picture. Yeah. Like you see part of a picture in the AI will like draw the rest of it. I always picture the rest of that picture. Do you remember Kim Kardashian's Playboy cover and she's wearing like this red halter pinnacle? Yeah. And she's

like sitting on her knees and purged like that. That's the rest of the picture in my mind. Because you're like in the same pose like you never unsee it if you look at that cover. Oh my God. Like that's what they're saying. You're in like a pin up heels and pin up suit. Oh my gosh, listen, if a juicy scurver wants to finish the photo with your Canva or whatever skill set you have for photoshopping, I would love it

to have the Kim Kardashian ass of 20 years ago from the Playboy. That would be amazing. I need to see it. I love it to have the Kim Kardashian ass of 20 years ago from the Playboy. That would be amazing. I need to see it. I love it. So tell everybody where they can watch this as well as your podcast and everything else you're doing. So Playboy Murder season two premieres on Monday, January 22nd on ID after that it'll be streaming on Macs and there's seven episodes this season and after that my new series, Lethally Blonde will premiere. Oh, wait, when, what's that about? It's another true crime series.

It's all about people from fascinating backgrounds, but it's not playboy specific. So it's a little bit similar to this, but it is every girl blonde. No, no, no, I'm the blonde. Oh, it's your, your, your, your. We have cases of center around men too and things. Oh, okay.

They just all have to be really interesting. That's the one criteria. Yeah, that's what I'm into. It has to be like I'm not into serial killing stories. Like anything too like graphic. I like more like what was the motivation to lead you to the murder. That's the kind of stuff that fascinates me.

Yeah, or the one mistake or everything was great in your life. And you just met this person and you decided to cheat on your husband and now fucking look at your life. Two years ago, you were at the country club, now you're behind the bars. Like, so watch some of these cases and everything leading up to it. I'm like, well, those are choices I would have made, you know, and it just takes such a wrong turn.

Yeah, I love it. And then your podcast, girls next level, it drops every Monday. We love it. It's so fun. Oh, good. Well, thank you so much for coming. Thanks for having me. Thanks.