Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Police Sex Scandal and Playboy Murders with Holly Madison

Episode Date: January 17, 2023

Kanye is married to a woman who worked for him and looked like Kim. Chris Harrison, formerly of The Bachelor, tells his truth on his podcast. Amy and TJ of GMA have been permanently fired, and now they have both lawyered up. I missed Britney at Joey’s in Woodland Hills. Paedon, Kody’s son, did an explosive interview, and I got all the details. A female married cop and all the male cops she had sex with are exposed. RHOC Shannon is single again. Then Holly Madison is here to discuss her new show, Playboy Murders, on ID. These stories are from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and today. Holly and I get in to why women in the Playboy world find themselves in toxic and often dangerous relationships. We explore what one can do when someone close to them is in a manipulative and isolating relationship. Get extra juice on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop https://heathermcdonald.net/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The End Segment serial data and serial system. You'll be addicted and a tick-sick fast to the number one tabloid real life hot cat. Listen in, Lucero. Woo-hoo, Hannah McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. What a weekend. Well, first of all, Kanye got married.

Yes, Kanye West is married. He got married to this very pretty girl that I guess worked for his company for a while. So people like he married his work wife. It was very quick. People don't know anything about the ceremony or anything. But the girl is in this one outfit that Page Six highlighted. She looked very much for their hair back and her big sunglasses,

very much like Kim Kardashian at one time. So anyway, I get a lot of info from Page Six. I like them and I said, and people were already comparing that she looked like Kim. And I think they chose a photo that was a very Kim Kardashian outfit for that reason. He certainly has a type. And in this case, marrying her, not Julia Foxx with this girl. And so I wrote, oh, it's Kim before O's Ampick. I am not body shaming this girl.

I'm not body shaming Kim. I'm not body shaming anybody that chooses to take Ozone, it doesn't take it takes a knockoff of it wants to try it. It appears to be a miracle drug a lot of people are on it and I'm just stating the truth. So whatever, but thank you page six you chose a pretty photo of me. And then a lot of people said I was a bitch for saying it. So whatever, who cares? Okay, Chris Harrison, the most dramatic podcast ever. It's a great name to his podcast. Chris Harrison, as you recall, was the host of the Bachelor

of the Bachelor of Art for 19 years or 19, I think it's years, not seasons. Anyway, so I was listening to it today because I was really invested in the scandal. Let me remind you of the scandal because it's been now a couple of years. In the height of the 2020, you know, COVID, everything going on,

George Floyd, Black Lives Matter, all of that happening. We were watching our first Black Bachelor, Matt James fall in love with appeared to be a couple people, but this one girl, Rachel, she was appeared to be the one he liked the most. And she was a very pretty girl with dark hair and she was Caucasian, she was white, okay?

And Matt is his mom's white, his dad is black, okay? So we're watching it, it's a popular season. And Chris Harrison goes on Rachel Lindsay, who was a former bachelor. I don't know if she was the bachelor. She was the bachelor. Okay, so she went through as one of the contestants on the bachelor became the bachelor. She was the bachelor. Okay, so she went through as one of the contestants on the bachelor became the bachelor. She had a great show.

She's interviewing, she's doing great. They talk and she asked some about this controversy that someone had discovered on TikTok that the other Rachel, who's in love with Matt James, that when she was a freshman in college, she went to a party and the party was a frat party in which the guys invite the girls and it was a Madam Antebella party, which is an era of time pre-civil war and you're to dress like

that. Easiest way to say it, gone with the wind a tire. So of course that's problematic because no one should be celebrating a time where Americans were enslaved. So like, totally. But he comes on the thing and he starts to sort of defend her. She's a young girl, she's a nice girl. This is what I'm recalling.

I don't want to go back and watch it. to sort of defend her. She's, you know, a young girl, she's a nice girl. This is what I'm recalling, okay? I don't wanna go back and watch it. But he is kind of saying that, and I always thought, it's probably because he knows that final result is that they end up together. And he probably thinks he's being a great company guy in protecting this relationship.

Because right now people are like, he should break up with this girl. How could she have gone to this party? Why didn't she research it? There's photos of her at this fraternity sorority party like this, and he was just sort of defending it. And in defending it, he like doubled down, it went on for really long,

and he used like woke culture and stuff, which the only people that use the word woke are people that people think are actually not woke. So that, you know, so that he was there coming for him. And, and there you go. So it was, it really didn't go away, and he thought he was going to be fine, and then they let him go. And then he, in his own words, like, loyard up, he got a, you know, a nice big paycheck as he should. And now he's back with what everybody does when they get fired from TV, have a podcast. And he even joked about that.

Like I didn't want to be another loser. That's my word from the bachelor franchise having a podcast on I Heart, but I am. And so anyway, so I listened and you know, he's very articulate. He's a really nice guy. He's engaged to his fiance who's also a reporter who actually reported the story on me once. He's very nice. They're a lovely couple.

He's what I know is great relationship with his ex-wife, great relationship with his kids, all that. So I'm listening to it. And now I've list, there's three episodes out. I listened to the first one and the second one, I skipped over to the third, okay? The second one was with his fiance. But what I got from the first is he didn't explain what it was. He didn't explain why he did it.

He just continued to profusely apologize forever, even doing, saying whatever he said. And if he heard anybody and done it, and so that's where I'm just like, I want to know, how do you feel now that Matt James and this Rachel girl have this very popular Instagram, they're madly in love when at the time after he was fired, they did an after the rose with another host,

and Matt James wouldn't even look at Rachel. Like he was like, the guy was like, could you give her a hug? after the Rose with another host, and Matt James wouldn't even look at Rachel. Like he was like, the guy was like, could you give her a hug? And he was just like, no. And, you know, which now I kind of wonder, were they seeing each other the whole time? And if they were good,

this is one of the few bachelor relationships that are still working. And I felt like, why aren't people talking more about that now? Like the fact that they're still together and the fact that so many people in Bachelor of Loonation were not for this relationship working out based on his interview, based on the party she went to when she was 18, all of it. And now the two of them are just, they've been like this for a year and a half.

They're probably going to get engaged. I don't think they're engaged. I don't know. So then he also brought up everybody one in my job. And I, and basically, you know, every season, I was like birthing another 30 people that are probably qualified to take my job being a host of this show. And so I guess people assumed he was talking about Nick Vial, which I had said even before Chris Harrison, you know, was asked to leave, that I'm like, they're even letting Nick do little portions where he's like, hey guys, you know, as the bachelor, he was like, take doing spots that would normally be Chris Harrison. So he's like, no, he was delight.

He was great. And I think I put him in a weird position because he was going to ask his girlfriend to marry him. So this weekend, he did a huge video, great quality video for his Instagram and everything, which why not? My God, if I could only get engaged or give birth today, the amount of likes and views I could get, anyway. They got engaged, he and his girlfriend,

and he's crying, and he looks nice, and she's dropped it gorgeous in anyway. So he's like, so I congratulated him, that's that. So that's my opinion. I would just like to really know how do you feel now? Do you talk to me? Chabes and Rachel did.

Rachel ever say, my God, you didn't have to defend me. I can't believe you defended me and my dumbness at 18. And this was the result. Like you lost like who knows how much money. So I hope in the future maybe he has her odd if Chris Harrison wants to come on my show and answer those questions, then I think we could get a real juicy

most dramatic episode ever. But good luck to him. I think he's a really nice guy. I think he's really talented. Hopefully he'll do all the things. He did suggest. He said, I'm, wait, I'm going to jump over to, okay, he did bring up that in case you guys didn't know, Amy and TJ of Good Morning America,

now they have both been officially released from their duties as co-hosts. And Chris Harrison said, I'm suggesting Good Morning America that I do a sit down with them and that you shouldn't let them go and that, you know, and they are lowering up and he goes, and I have a great lawyer because of course Good Morning America is ABC who is very familiar with who you're going up against and like, let me give you this referral. And he's like, they absolutely should lawyer. And I agree, like everybody should when you're in that position. Why not? Well, get your big chunk of money because, you know, until you and TJ do a podcast

together, you're probably not going to get any more work. But my, I, what I think is going in a good morning America's head of why they have to let them go is not only where they both married, having an affair, not only did TJ have an affair with another married female producer there. There's stories of him having infidelity in his first marriage. She's been married twice. He's been married twice. So they're both getting divorced for the second time. If they put them on together. If I was there, I'd be like, what's the chance that they're going to be together doing the show, get married, and be happily faithful couple to each other, which is what good morning America needs for the next till they're 75 years old. What truly are the chances? So if we endorse this relationship that was sparked out of infidelity on our set

and really endorse it, I don't think it's worth it for the morality of the people that watch our show. So even if they have to pay them five, 10 million dollars each, they probably think it's worth it. That's just my opinion, Andrew Shoe, I guess ran into Amy on the street and we were lucky enough to get a photo of this.

Thank you, page six, yet a little dog. Anyway, so they are leaving. Okay, also on my weekend. So it was a rainy weekend here in LA. I used to go to rain all day Saturday. So I'm like my girlfriend wanted to go shopping, go to the pull-aloud. I go, I don't even want to deal with the rain. But I will go out Friday night. So I call my local girlfriend Liz Roman, okay? Liz killed my friend since first grade, and her sister Rosie met Rosie when she was four. They live in the area. What are you guys doing? I look cute from the day because I've done KTLA, and I'd like to not waste these lashes because the rest of the weekend I plan on being a gross slob in my house, okay? So she's like, I want to not waste these lashes because the rest of the weekend I plan on being a gross

slob in my house. So she's like, I want to go to this antiquey thing. So we looked at these antique stuff, got a little bite to eat. Now it's like six o'clock. And I'm like, well, I think we should go somewhere else. I always like Joey's. Joey's is closer to my house. It's in Wonder Hills.

I've talked about Joey's all the time, gone to birthdays there. I like the vibe of it. You walk in, if there's any way, you get a free glass of champagne. I really like it. And they were like, no, where we have to go is lovies in Calabasis.

And I'm like, isn't that like an old person like Deli? She's like, have you never been to the happy hour? There's an amazing happy hour and you get this enormous, enormous chicken pot pie. For a third of the price at the happy hour in the bar, then you would pay in the Deli part of the restaurant the exact same time. Now, they'll probably have to cancel this situation because now I've revealed it. These are two girls that are a family of eight Irish Catholic as well.

So we all know a deal on a rainy day and I'm like, well, you can't pass up that. Now, you guys must know what I woke up to on Saturday afternoon. Britney Spears went to Joey's in Woodland Hills Friday night with Sam and her bodyguard. The TMZ guys reporting she had a manic episode. The video is not that much to say. I think she sat down.

Of course, people are filming her. People think she is a juicy scooper. Me saying, why don't you go out? Why can't we see you? I don't blame people in this day and age to whip out their phone and just film her just to prove that she's out. She didn't like that. She lifted up her menu. And I can imagine that without be like according to DM's, TMZ, who got it from the witnesses, Sam stormed out and left, and then she left as well, and the bodyguard came back and paid. So I don't know what they ordered.

She then did a post of her dancing around in this outfit of her dancing and flipping up the camera. And she writes this long thing, which then was shortly, shortly later removed. Now, where is she's dancing? I, we've seen a lot of videos come from the spot. It looks very much like a hotel room. Well, the sluce have done it. It looks to be this place in Maui that she often stays at, the carpet match, the closet doors match. So that tells me these are videos that she's done and danced and flipped off and stuff. And whether she put it on after Joey's or somebody else,

it was, she didn't fly to Maui after she left Joey's to do this video, okay? She has an arsenal of these things. But what she wrote, which I thought was really interesting, is she said, she talks about the restaurant, it's funny, somebody said I acted manic at a restaurant. Geez, all I can say is I was flattered. The waiter brought me a sophisticated champagne glass for my red bowl.

Now I said they give you a free champagne when you walk in. So I don't really know. I'm fancy all, oh well, I'm remodeling this remodeling, meaning modeling it again. This white dress because well, it's kind of cool. I'm bored as hell. Anyway, so we know that this was shot some, you know, it's kind of cool. I'm bored as hell anyway. So we know that this was shot some, you know, who knows when months ago. Anyway, then she says, and I remember the transparent way, the girl at my wedding danced her way to my man, putting her hands on his knee,

then raising her hand to her neck with a heart. Guess it must be a new thing. I'd like to salute with my ass and my middle finger to this new thing and say, sup, SUV. PS, would it be appropriate for me to put it in her man's face on her day? Damn, I won't put my hand on his leg. I might be a cat end.

So very, very strange. Now there are a lot of conspiracy theories about Brittany. A lot of people are really analyzing her wedding day video. They think it's a body double. They've gone by with AI. They've done this thing where they're like, look at her face when you do this. I don't know. It's all this Photoshop stuff. I've seen. They've analyzed interviews between

Kathy Hilton, Paris Hilton, Drew Barrymore and Selena when they've been on talk shows and the host has asked them about going to Britney's wedding that they seem unsure themselves in talking about that they seem hesitant. Are they about, that they seem hesitant. Are they there? Are they protecting her? Was she in fact not there? Did they have a body double, have halfway through the time? Where is the marriage license?

What is happening? Is she actually talking about the body double at her wedding? All conspiracy theories. Call me crazy. I'm telling you what's out there and how strange it all is. And the fact that my friends took me to Lovis over Joys, it was a really hard weekend.

I put it on my Instagram. A lot of people are telling me I should dump these girls as friends and I'm not going to. So they're like, you should have widened your picture. I don't know. I just imagine how I felt you guys. Okay, then major juice happened in the sister wives world. My friend, Cheyenne Yates,

who has a great YouTube channel, who covers a lot on 90 day fiance, a lot on seeking sister wives and sister wives. He's a huge fan. He's watched every episode since it started. He got in contact with Peyton. Peyton is one of the oldest son, the only son of Christine,

who's, he's like in his 20s, looks just like Cody. And he did a three hour live with John Yates about everything sister wives. And so I talked to John yesterday live with John Yates about everything sister wives. So, I talked to John yesterday and he offered to give me the cliff notes of the three hour. And I'm going to read them all to you and then I'm going to tell you what I think. Sometimes small, daily actions really make a big difference, especially when it comes to caring for your hair.

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um here we go. Payton feels like Robin made no sacrifices when she married Cody. She married a man who was becoming wealthy and moved from a place she didn't like. Robin cries all the time but Payton has only seen tears once. Payton hasn't seen Robin in a long time. The sister's wife claws it. To no one's surprise is defuncted in pretty much. That's where they were selling their clothes,

I don't know, five seasons ago. As seen on the show, Cody tried to kick Janelle's oldest sons out of the house due to COVID rules. Dayton, whose Robin's oldest son is in the RV outside of her house, possibly because of COVID rules. Payton has suffered with depression often on since the family moved from Vegas. For two weeks, Cody wanted Payton to go to work and come straight home and stay in his room the rest of the night, but because of his history with depression, he just couldn't

isolate like that because of the COVID rules that he was so strict about. Cody's COVID rules are more stringent than the military. Dayton, Robert, Robbins, old son was happy to go away to college in Arizona, but Robin couldn't let go. And that is why the whole family was uprooted from Vegas, cul-de-sac to Arizona. This is all according to Payton, all his opinion, all allegedly. Cody was at Robin's house most of the time even in Vegas because the two youngest kids needed him before the COVID rules. He had already begun to neglect the other kids.

Peyton had a good relationship with his dad up until about age 12. Cody has a view of what his children should be and because they don't measure up, he expresses his disappointment. Christine asked Peyton to leave when he was turning 18, so he left, but that part was confusing because he then turned around and said

their dad didn't kick them out. Oh, in the interview, he said their dad didn't kick them out, but that Christine did ask him to leave. Garrison and Gabe, those are the older boys that belong to Janelle and Cody. As shown on the show, we're alienated from their dad because they were disrespectful to Robin and Cody and tried to get Janelle to kick them out.

They believe Cody tried to get Janelle to kick them out. Peyton said he is the gay best friend who isn't gay because women love him but always friend zone him. Cody was cutting off family members that he felt weren't respecting him and his rules both COVID and otherwise. Payton realized his mom was unhappy in her marriage years ago when McKelty pointed it out.

Mary, the first wife, was the favorite wife for years before certain things happened and then Robin became the favorite rife for years before certain things happened and then Robin became the favorite wife. Peyton said his dad was a good, safe person for the kids until after Cody's brother Kurdist died and he changed when Peyton was between 12 and 15 in Vegas before the cold sack. It was something to do with maybe something Robin said. So he's saying that his dad changed because he was grieving.

There is a shism, I don't really know what that means, between all the wives' kids and Robin's kids because Cody refers to them as your kids and his, but it's his kids with Robin. I do notice that that's weird. Cody wasn't as concerned with truly, which is the youngest girl of Christine, getting sick as he was with Robbins, little kids, getting sick.

So Payton didn't feel the age of the kids was why he was concerned as much as the mother of the kids. Leon. Now Leon is Mary's only daughter, Mariah, who has transitioned to becoming Leon. Leon and Payton don't have a relationship and Payton felt like Leon was jealous because right before the wedding of his, the brother Logan, it came out that Payton works at a strip club and it stole Leon's thunder about being trans. I think that's kind of interesting. I don't think any of the kids seem thirsty, but whatever. Cody gets on seven year kicks, meaning they move every seven years.

None of the kids had any of their vaccinations growing up. Interesting. Cody works at home and Robin is a stay-at-home mom and they have a nanny housekeeper. Both Payton and Christine have what what does the nanny do t-shirts remember that we Christine kept saying what does the nanny do? Robin is a bit of a hoarder compulsive shopper and they usually have shopping bags with new things. She has bought lining the floors until all the help and the nanny clean it up once a week. His grandfather had 10 children and when Cody got back from his Mormon mission, he found out his grandfather

was becoming a polygamous and then he married a few more times. When Cody was courting Janelle, his grandfather married Janelle's mom, I think. It was grandpa Mary, married the grandma, which was the polygamy. Mary was not nice to the kids, wife number one. Abracip was not a strong enough word for the way Mary was around the kids. Now this is the part that people magazine and everyone picked up. They weren't safe with Mary. He said Robin probably saved several lives when she recognized the warning signs

and Mary's relationship with the kids. His dad said him wearing the nanny t-shirt and texted him that that at least the nanny was respectful so he didn't like him wearing that nanny t-shirt. What does the nanny do? He went about eight months without talking to Peyton Cody did, but one day he called him out of the blue. Peyton was really happy until his mom told him, until his mom told him that he had a fight with Cody on that day about Cody's attempt to put legal strongholds on the kids as far as what the adult kids say about the family. So that's why he was reaching out.

He was trying to put like gag orders on them according to this interview. Robin asked Logan, the oldest boy, before Robin and Cody were married to do something and he refused. And that was the only time Peyton felt like Robin was really disrespectful outside of normal kids things.

So that, there's so much juicy. The biggest thing is that there were times where Christine would say, I didn't feel safe with Mary, I didn't feel safe. And I thought they were talking about the way real housewives say, I don't feel safe with you. And the way real housewives say, I don't feel safe with you. I interpreted that, I don't feel safe being in a scene with you that you're not going to pull out some bullshit

to ruin my life on camera that I then have to defend a rumor, something I told you in secret, I'd feel safe with you. Now I know that when Christine and people, when Christine said I don't feel safe with Mary, now I think it refers to either her verbal abuse of the kids or possibly some physical abuse or discipline. There is a scene in which Mary asked Cody and Robin, can I take four-year-old Solomon, which is Cody and Robin's son, with me to Utah? And they were very uncomfortable. I just re-watched the scene and they were like,

no, I just see he's being weird and she's like, well, ever and they're like, well, maybe. And she gets really mad and she goes out and slams the door. One thing I didn't understand during all the COVID rules when they hired this nanny is Mary is following the COVID rule. She's all by herself in this big giant house. She wants to be around the kids. Why don't they let her be around the kids more?

Makes me think that in all those years that Christine was watching all of she and Janelle's 12 kids together along with with Mariah maybe, were there times when they did arrange it the way that Janelle would go work outside home and Christine would be the main mom caregiver because they couldn't trust Mary in stressful situations with the kids. I don't know. It's very, Mary's doing a bunch of lies for her Lula Ru and she goes off on people and is yelling at anyone that says anything about her clothing or herself

and it's pretty entertaining. I really don't know what's gonna happen with the show. There's this other TikTok account that's been counted that has like a mask voices. People think it's the older brown kids answering all these questions. And one thing that they dealt into was the different laws between Arizona, Utah and Nevada and how they differentiate with how much kids can work in entertainment and how many hours and

how old they are. And I believe none of these kids ever got paid to be on the show. Only the parents did. And then I guess if they want to be on it when they're older, they could negotiate their own deal. I know real housewife kids do that. Or they just sign a release. Or maybe that's why they aren't featured that much now

that they're adults. So I really think TLC is like kind of shaking in their boots. I don't know what is going to happen to the show. I know they're filming it. Now all three women have said, I'm no longer with Cody, Mary, Janelle and Christine. So do we follow them all? I think it's worth it. I think this is the realest reality show I've ever seen. But I notice now Christine is doing like, now I dance, dance, dance, dance. And she's starting to do, she's starting to get a little house YV with her TikToks.

And so I don't know if she's gonna be the realist of the real, I don't know if we're gonna believe when TLC brings some rancher 50 year old man to take her on a date that that's not, you know, from central casting. I don't know, but I certainly want to watch it. I don't know if they'll be searching for other wives. I also wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing went away. I don't want it to, but I wouldn't be surprised

if after this next season it goes away because this is all just like too messy. And I think there might be some regrets on spilling the beans with these kids. But I love that they did. And if you want to watch the entire thing, go to John Yates's YouTube and watch it. So a little follow up on the sad story about the missing mom of three little boys out of Massachusetts that I talked about. As you know, the husband has been arrested for not cooperating with police,

but now we know he had said, and I believe as Attorney had said, he was the one to let police know that his wife was missing, that she left to go on a work trip late on New Year's Eve and hadn't seen or had men seen since New Year's Day. Now we know that actually it was her employer. They checked the logs of the police that called and they were the ones that called the police

and said, can you do a wellness check on our associate Anna who we have not heard from, which they did a couple days after the husband said she was last seen. Because of course, he said she went to take care of her work in emergency. And she was supposed to leave on the third, but she actually left on the first. And now I haven't heard from her. No, he never let the police know. The employer let him know. Since they also, what they have found, this is not good for this husband, also what they have found. This is not good for this husband. They don't know how she went missing, but they did find blood in the family's basement

and a blood-stained damaged knife. They also discovered a hexa, a hatchet, blood, use cleaning supplies, and a rug at a trash transfer station in Peabody, a little more than an hour away from the couples home that I assume was their rug. He also allegedly, Brian, allegedly searched for how to dispose of 115-pound woman's body online. And she was 115 pounds. So sad. I have looked, I talked about this on my Patreon, juicy crimes with Shannon, but I went to her Instagram and it was kind of an interesting

Instagram and that I don't think she featured any photo of him in like the last year and a half. She didn't post a lot, but she posted somewhat normally, definitely a few times a month. Most of the photos in the last year and a half were selfies, her in like a cute little short skirt, business outfit, traveling for work, occasionally photos of her three little boys. But a lot of just like in the mirror,

here's my outfit for today, sometimes laughing with like, I have the best team that I work with, and the only one that she featured of the husband, like I said was a while back with one other child, and she's blowing out candles, and she's like, all I want for my birthday is family. But nothing, you But nothing celebrating his birthday

or their relationship or anything for quite a while. And there was a past domestic violence report, but then she wasn't cooperative in going forward with it. And so I really think, in my opinion, that she was preparing to leave this relationship and was feeling confident in her career. And of course, he was already arrested for trying to self-fake Andy Warhol, so that was a whole nother case.

He was dealing with, which is a turn off. I'm sure to her. And just I think just kind of getting our ducks and around. So my assessment is something tragic happened that night. Some arguments, some coming to of like, it's the end of the year. I'm not doing another year like this, dude. Like I'm done. And something happened where he then did

something very fatal to her. So that also, this was kind of also interesting from the New York Post. I guess she approached one of her renters, she and the husband had a rental property and she announced to these renters who then gave a interview to the Boston Globe or something saying, we're going to, we're going to have to sell this place. And of course the people were like, wait, what? Like we're good, you know, renters, why? And they said that she freaked out and had like just freaked out on them. And it was very different than anything that ever seen.

And this happened just shortly before she went missing. So they said like her behavior was like erratic. I don't know what that really means. I think it means more that she was telling you that they were gonna sell a property that maybe the two of them own together. Like I said, kind of getting her things in order of like, we're not gonna be together anymore in one part

that I'm gonna start is I'm going to tell my renters they need to leave because I want to just sell this property and split that profit. Oh, anyway, very sad, but he is in custody. So also juicy story. This is a crazy story out of a small police department in Tennessee. There is this female cop who told people, apparently, that she had an open marriage. And in that open marriage, the story is so crazy and involves so many different cops. It is, it is like, what in the Jerry Springer police department, hell, is going on.

She is given BJs. She is in a jacuzzi with a bunch of cops. Many of them, most of them being married. Her tops coming off. She's getting with certain cops while they're on duty. Another cop, they went to a go-cart place together and then a hotel, but I don't know if that was while they're on duty. Another one involved a threesome with one of the cops she was having

an affair with and his wife and then another one with a cop that she was having relations with sexual relationships. That guy's wife found out about it and beat him up. And anyway, in the end, about it and beat him up. And anyway, in the end, she, she and eight officers were disciplined, five were fired. And I guess three are left. And I don't know. I'm sure she'll start an only fan soon. Oh, by the way, Catherine Dennis did start an only fans. I don't know if you saw, but I made a little real out of it because I love going to predict she had true. Catherine does of Southern charm has started her only fans and I assume so will this girl. I know that there was so another report that she had suffered from some mental disorders and stuff. So that would make sense. However, the husband's sticking by her. So anyway,

they're going to be hiring soon in this police department because they lost, like, half of their department because they were all, like, boning. Now, all I'm thinking about is what if this went down at the Moscow Idaho police department? Thank God, I mean, what if these people really were, like, in the middle of a massive murder investigation and this like, boning and everything was going on? Well, maybe it wasn't because they didn't have much going on. I don't know. But thank God it wasn't happening there

because that police department did a very good job. But my God, it really, it's just like, I guess this is like, you know, make love not war and people should be happy that cops were boating and not doing anything else. Okay, Shannon the door of Real House's Vosie is divorced and she's been dating this guy, John Janssen for quite a while now, like a year and a half.

Came out through People magazine that they broke up for quite a while now, like a year or a year and a half. Came out through People magazine that they broke up seven days after they finished filming the season. We don't know when the real house of the BoC is coming out. We don't have any trailer. We don't even know really what the season is about, except that Tamra's back, and I think Vicki comes back halfway through or something. Vicki being a supportive

friend, I assume that's what she's trying to be, either commented or something, page six picked it up, that Vicki, whoops, sorry, that Vicki said that Shannon Badoore's narcissist ex-boyfriend, John Jansson. And then they real half of those C-star savagery marks spotted on a Bravo fan account. So she made a little comment under and then they wrote about it. Now, I, I met John on several occasions. He seemed very into Shannon. They seemed like a great match. Okay.

Apparently he said to people magazine, um, we, I didn't break up with her while we were filming because I thought that would be humiliating. So I waited till we were done filming to break up with her. But then in turn, she was like, well, if you felt that way, I wish you had now a, I'm thinking we would have had a really good juicy season and some good trailers to watch. But therefore, I was blindsided. So I was blindsided because I thought everything was fine, is what she's saying.

I mean, I don't know what Vicki's thinking if she's thinking that her Steve Lodge, brother of Roger Lodge, if Steve Lodge and John Jansen are such opportunistic men that they were like, you know what, let's date these women that are in a reality show because we both love Bravo. Let's date them, then let's dump them. And then you and I have our own show called Buzz and Buddies. And it's about two, I mean, obviously Steve Laudger

already married another girl. But like, what is she? No, I don't think any of these guys are dating reality stars to, I think there's a thing. I think there's certain guys that date reality stars or date TV stars. And they enjoy the fun of going out at night and instead of just the two of them talking to each other,

a group of people send them some drinks, some other girls are kind of buzzed and gushing. They get photos, they talk about what they love about them, they talk about how they also hate the person that they hate on the show, and then they've had a few drinks, and they're like, oh my God, let me tell you what really was happening in that scene. And the night is just like a way more fun night

than if the two of you went out to dinner in the OC and weren't famous. Now, that doesn't make a guy a narcissist. That makes a guy like pretty easy, pretty outgoing, ready to go with the flow. But you wonder now like why it is hard for the Ramona singers of the world to find guys that want to date them because of exactly this, you know, like exactly this. When they, if it, God forbid, it doesn't last forever. If they break up with them, then you've got all these angry real housewife fans that are going to find your social media and write nasty things to you because they are fans

of Shana Bedouards or fans of Vicky's or whatever. So I'm just saying this is going to be, it's just going to make it harder for single real housewives to find guys to date. That's my prediction. But you know what? Hopefully Shannon finds someone. He's already been on another date with someone else, a quiet woman. People thought that was real bad that he went to quiet woman.

Well, you know what? He lives there. He likes that place. Is he never supposed to go out? He didn't choose to be on the show. He chose to date a girl who was on the show and he agreed to be on camera, which oftentimes, where are there cajines all her big dicks? I've got fresh dick, hard dick, dick around the corner.

Where are all those guys? They're not agreeing to be on camera. We don't get to see that. So I'm just saying, like maybe, you know, if you're one of those people that are like angry that, you know, your favorite reality star is boyfriend, like, supposedly broke up with her, which we don't really know. They could have been mutually good by and then kind of in retro set back now kind of telling a really sad story. Like there's only so many 55 year old men around to go. Okay. And a lot of our real housewives are

divorced and would like them. So let's not ruin it for everybody and go attack them once it doesn't work out and they don't get married. All right. Speaking of which, I follow this girl, Nicole James. You're probably like, who is that? Well, she was on Real House, was a Vosey for the first few episodes and then she left the show. I don't even know if this was, I think this was the last season.

Yeah. Then she was like, okay. And Shannon Bedore remembered that she had gotten a boob job from Terry Dubrow and apparently wasn't happy by the lawsuit and it was settled, unbeknownst to us. It was settled. She then gets put on the show, Heather DeBrow doesn't know because her husband's done a million plastic surgeries and that's part of the deal.

Some people aren't happy, sometimes you settle, sometimes you sue back, I don't know. Anyway, it all gets revealed on camera and that's where all the rumors happened. Did Heather DeBrow hit the camera where she rude to the staff, whatever. The Nicole James left the show. She, some, I don't know if she got out of it. I don't know if she

was ever a real housewife. I don't know if she didn't get vaccinated or say she didn't get vaccinated to get off of it. I don't know what how she got out of it. She got out of it. No, well, uh, is also off the show now. And she did the whole season, but she was getting divorced

from Sweet James Brown, who is, is that his name? His name's not Brown, is it? It's just Sweet James. Sweet James is a big personal, personal injury attorney from like Vegas to, I don't know, all over California. Build boards everywhere. That is her ex-husband. They got divorced.

Anyway, Nicole James posted, our podcast is coming soon. Make sure to follow us up for update. I'm gonna who's it with? And then she tagged, Noella. So I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen, okay? They're gonna put out their podcast. And it going to be like, wow, are you ready to spell it?

Yeah, I think we really are. This is crazy. And then know well, we'll talk a little bit about what happened that night with Heather Dubro. And they'll say some stuff that we probably have heard in a million interviews, but they'll be telling it themselves. And very few people even know that this podcast came out. But then all about the truth, a reality blur will listen,

and they'll write an article about it. And then someone will send that to Heather to Broden, and then she'll read it, and then she'll get her attorneys on it, and then they'll get a season to assist. And then the next week they'll come back, and they'll be like, so many of you are wondering where last week's episode went.

And unfortunately, the powers that we have advised us that we take it down. And but you know what, that's not what our whole show is about. Is it? No, we're two single girls in the OC dating. And so then we'll get a couple episodes of them dating, they'll bring on their friend, they'll bring on their Pilates girl, and then they'll take a break for like a week or two, and then they'll come back and do one more, and then we'll never hear from them again. That's just my prediction. I'm not wishing it, I get. That's just my prediction. I'm not wishing it. And if this is what you're thinking of, you could also now hear my prediction and say, let's not have this happen. But that's

the minute I saw this. I just saw, I just saw the, the, the way that it will go. Um, Jen Shaw, not only is she doing the six and a half years, but they said after that, you're going to have to do how many months in a mental facility, like, or mental, she's going to be have to do mental health rehab after she gets out of jail after six and a half years. So a lot of the comments are like,

well, why isn't she getting that kind of mental health in prison? A lot of people are like, that's what all prison is. She's doing retribution. They're like at 50 cents an hour. She's supposed to make up the $6 million. I don't know, but that's what she has to look forward to. So who knows what should be like six years from now without being on TV and being totally

humble. I mean, I can't even imagine what a different person she will be. And that's so weird. Like, what if you come out after six and a half years and you really are like, really got your shit together, you're, you know, reading the Bible, you're doing yoga, you're helping some other people in the group, like you're just like completely stripped down, humbled, just totally normal and not a crazy bipolar reality star, narcissist or whatever people perceived her to be.

Like, then you still have to go or can you be like, now could I just go home to you know, the Shaw, Shale, or whatever? I don't know. All right, you guys, I am excited because I have returned gas, Holly Madison here and we're going to talk all about her new, really juicy show. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have, I think now, third time returning gas, Holly Madison, who has got so much going on,

but you know her best from the Girls Next store. Now, her hit podcast girls next level that she does with a good friend and co-star Bridget. And now I'm really impressed. You're kind of entering this whole world of hosting juicy stuff, which you've got the Playboy murders on the ID network, which I love,

starting Monday, January 23rd. So when I saw this, I'm like, oh, I gotta get you on and talk all about this. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm excited because this is the first show I've been a part of that I think I would actually watch. Like, not hating on my other shows. I just don't usually watch like that light kind of reality show type stuff. That was kind of like an accident me. I didn't know about that. Right. Right. So yeah, I was approached to do this

show. And when I heard the title, I was like, no, too much playboy stuff like I can't take another thing, but they showed me the cases they wanted to cover. And I was so surprised because I thought I knew everything about playboy history and what happened to all the playmates. And there were so many cases I hadn't even heard of. And I was like, wow, this is something I would watch. So I jumped on board and it's been an amazing experience. Yes.

So I want to, yeah, I feel like I know everything about Playboy 2. You know, I was absolutely obsessed with Star 80. And I think that's probably the most famous because it's really the most like tragic and she was already becoming such a star. And just to give people a little bit of the story, it was Dorothy Stratton, was her name. And she came over. She was just like a girl in a dairick queen in Canada. And this kind of, kind of, too bit, like hustler, kind of a guy,

like love-bombed her and was like, you could be a playboy mate and sent in the photos and she came over here and she really was just so naturally stunning and beautiful and kind of had a real girl next door appeal and then started to, you know, have a lot of popular became, she was- Played me to the year. Played me to the year. Played me to the year, she was playing with the air. Played with the air.

She got movie roles. And then they were like, you have got to get rid of this weird creeper husband if he was like he's awful. And what's interesting about him is that he had a big part in trying to get Chippendale started. Yeah, it was his idea. It was not crazy.

And he got the idea to put Cuffson collars on the dancers for Chippendale's from Yeah, it was his idea. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? And he got the idea to put Cuffson collars on the dancers for Chippendale's from the Playboy Bunnies. Right. And then they kind of screwed him out of the fact that it was his idea, because it was easy to screw him out of it.

So he was just already so angry that he wasn't a Hugh after, that he went and he could tell that she is trying to get away from him. And then very tragically, you know, he lost his mind and murdered her and killed himself. And so we know that story. And then of course, we saw you in the documentary that is just, ain't still people are talking about how. Yeah, I had nightmares, like I always say every night

after I watched an episode hearing other people's stories. And so when you'd watch it at night, what was the name of it, the Duck Secrets of Playboy? Secrets of Playboy, and that was on What Network? Annie. Annie. When that's so interesting, because I think a lot of, first of all,

if you do dream a lot, there's certain people don't dream, I dream a lot, I kinda had weird dreams last night, and then I wake up and I'm like, why did I dream such a weird thing? And then I remember, oh, like around three o'clock, I saw this, and then right before I went to bed, I saw this, and so when you talked about having these nightmares, so you would watch the episode,

because every week it would come out, and like what kind, would you have dreams that you were back at episode because every week it would come out. And like what kind of, would you have dreams that you were back at the house? Or would you have, it would always be the same nightmare that I would wake up and find myself back in the mansion, back in that relationship, but inside I'm me knowing everything I know now.

And my first thought was how the fuck do I get out of here? And so it was scary. That is so interesting. Cause like a weird, reoccurring nightmare, I've had my whole life and it's a very common one, is that I'm back in high school. But I'm, again, me.

I'm like old, I've already graduated from college. And while I'm in the high school, I'm like, I don't have to take this test. Like I already have a career and I already graduate. And it's weird. And it'll come when I am stressed or even now with my graduate. And it's weird and it'll come when AM stressed or even now with my kids, if my kids are like getting ready for finals or something like that.

I absorb their stress. Yeah. I can't, so that's so interesting that you'd have a dream that you're back. You really are like down the rabbit hole. You're like, how are Alice like your first book? Yeah. No, it's scary every night I watched an like, I was like your first book. Yeah. No, it's scary every night I watched an episode, I would have that nightmare.

So, oh my God. So what are some stories that we're gonna see and that you're going to walk us through as the host? Well, there's six different stories. They're all very different. One of them actually, the murderer was just sentenced a few days ago. She was sentenced to, at least I forget what that time frame was,

but it was least 10 years. It was a she- It was a she- Yeah, she was a playboy model, and she killed a gentleman who, I don't know the exact nature of the relationship, but he was paying her bills, and she was extorting him,

and he ended up murdered. It was her and her two roommates were involved. I'm not sure who exactly did what. I think that's still to be determined, but she's just sentenced. Yeah. So it's very current. Oh, so I mean, it's not just the girls getting, yeah, no, it's, every story is so different. That's what's fascinating about it. Yeah. And then do you cover that other? Now I'm not sure if she was a plate. We'll go through a couple more without telling us everything. What are some other ones? Well the first episode that really hit home for me a lot was about a woman named Jasmine

Fior and what hit home so much for me about that was she started coming to mansion parties like right after I had left. And I know some close friends of mine had some deep conversations with her about relationships and knew her well. And she was also somebody who spent a lot of time in Vegas. She lived there part time. So that's something I can relate to.

And her story's really frightening. It was another abusive relationship story. There is a story about a woman. Was she the one, she's the one who was with her boyfriend in San Diego, right? Yeah, they were in San Diego. They were in San Diego. And then, you know, she went never came home, never came home from the San Diego. Yeah, he was the one who called the police and reported her missing. Yes. And then somebody found her. And then there was there's there were evidence of surveillance and of him doing very suspicious stuff. Like leaving the hotel. I remember kind of

remember the story like where you were, you know, the suitcase and like all this kind of stuff. And yeah, you know, it's just it's it is an interesting tie because it's like, yeah, it's the kind of girls that not only are really beautiful, but wanting to have kind of that flashy life or get into acting and modeling. And in doing that, you know, you're so susceptible to meeting people that say they can help you. Yeah. And also sometimes I think, you know, having been in playboy, you sometimes you'll meet the type of guy who like wants a playboy model on his arm,

but then he gets really jealous and wants to like turn that around on the woman. And, you know, being somebody who's been in different types of abusive relationships, I like to try and tell the story and try and bring some humanity to the victim, because I think there's so many people out there who don't Understand why people stay as long as they do or why they would ever try to make a relationship work And I like to talk about those things and kind of try and bring some perspective to it. And why do you think? Why do you think when the girl is in that position that she can't see that she's? I mean, you know for thing, sometimes it's just hard

because you do love the person. This is where you live. You know, there is something coming up and you don't wanna have the person, and then there's the other part of like, that you are really scared of them. But like, what are your thoughts on like, why someone talks themselves into not being like,

this is it, and I don't care how hard it is to leave. Yeah, I mean, it's different for different situations. There could be reasons people feel attached, whether it's kids or whether it's a financial situation, but I think the overarching theme that applies to a lot of people is they're in a relationship with another human and it started out really good. You know, they were probably being loved, bombed,

and swept off their feet in the beginning. And then one bad thing happens and you can tend to write it off or brush it off and say, well, that's not really who they are and it's getting better and we're just working through things. And when you're in the relationship, it's hard to see it in the same way that an outsider would see it. And I think that's another interesting topic too. And one, I don't even have the answer for is when you have a friend who's in one of these

abusive relationships, how do you help them? Because like bring it back to the door at the Stratton story, you know, it seemed like everybody who talks about her and everybody who knew her saw the issues with her husband or her ex-husband at the time. And, you know, he was banned from the mansion, you know, people were trying to talk her out of ever seeing him again, but it didn't work. And it's a really hard thing because you always want to do the most as a friend. And I don't even know what the answer to that question is, or how you can help as best you can as a friend. I mean, from my perspective, I would say just always being non-judgmental when you're talking to your friends and always offer them an ear

and tell them that they have a place to go and that they'll always have your support. Because I think a lot of people are afraid to talk to their friends because they're afraid of being judged possibly for staying in the relationship or sometimes there's a lot of shame with, oh, well, I put up with so much so far that you don't even wanna admit to it. Yeah, I also think with girlfriends and stuff, the hard part is sometimes a girlfriend feels like,

oh my God, I stayed up with you all night. I've done all this, you know, and you're still there. And then so what's bad about that is then the friend then stop sharing because they've chosen to stay and by not sharing, now she's really in trouble because with something goes wrong, she's going to be too embarrassed to then come back. I think the same thing goes with parents who don't really approve of their child's partner, especially when their child is a girl with a guy because just physically they're in a more vulnerable position. And I think the way, you always just have to be like, whatever happens, I'm always here for you

and by not being like, he's a piece of trash. I told you not to be with him. That's when they just, then the alienation that often happens with the abusive guy where he doesn't want you. Why would you want to be with them? They hate me. So it's like, even if you like kind of don't like your daughter or best friend spouse or

boyfriend, I always sort of pretended like I did. Like especially in their presence. Yeah, because then it can start a bigger problem for that your friend. Yeah, I think it's so important to express, you know, no matter how many times you've heard it, and no matter how frustrating it might be if your friend isn't making that change, to always express that you're not judgmental, and you're always going to be there, and you're always there to listen. Yeah, you know, because then it just turns worse. Yeah, you just want them to feel like they can't, they can't count, you know, so you have to be like, but it also can be very,

you know, daunting for the friend that feels like they're the dumbed on, the dumb one. Yeah. And so it's like in also in doing that, like you have to also protect yourself and not get so sucked up into the 3 AM calls and talk for an hour and a half. And then, you know, and I'm like, oh my God.

And look what she's doing. There is a new movie out that I think you would really like that we just saw the preview. It was called April Darling. Oh, Alice Darling. It's with Anna Kendrick. And we just saw a trailer for it. And it's kind of like a more of a subtle psychological abuse

that someone might find with their partner in that she's got these girlfriends. Yeah. And the girls are like to Anna Kendrick. So it's my birthday. We're all, we got a late cows. We're all going to go up to Northern California this week. And so you can come, right?

And she's like, yeah. And then she's figuring out how she is going to tell her boyfriend or significant other. I can relate to that so bad, not now, but in the past. Yeah, so she's practicing it and kind of saying like it's a work thing. Oh, you remember I told you about that thing? Well, it did come up, so now I have to go. And because she just doesn't want to get the shit from him,

but then she also knows, and then the girlfriends are like kind of onto it. They're like, what do you mean you're leaving? And, you know, and so, you know, it's just a trailer, but how do you feel like you just said you could relate to that of just like wanting to do something and knowing that it was going to be an issue to ask? Oh, well, living at the mansion, that was a constant. Like there was so many strict rules as far as like, you have to be at nine o'clock. Can't ever really go anywhere. You can't travel.

So just the feeling of, I'm always going to get in trouble. And because there were so many girlfriends and at the time, at a certain time, there were seven and we didn't all get along. And we were kind of played off each other. Like, it was a competition. You always felt like you're walking on egg shells and you don't want to ask for too much, even if it's the basic things. And you know, sometimes we would want to go to like a playmate's wedding or something. And I'd get shut down because, you know, he wouldn't want me to go into the reception or something stupid like that. So you would, so they'd be like, you can go to the ceremony,

but then you cannot go to the reception. Yeah. When he heard me refer to the reception as a party, he freaked out and shut it down. And this was like a playmate that we were all really close to that he knew, like it shouldn't have been a thing. It was so stupid. And so then it was really, I mean, also there's in that interesting to be in a relationship

where you're feeling like, you know, like I've been at a job where you're like, oh God, I gotta ask for this day off and you keep going through it and you talk, well, if know, like, I've been at a job where you're like, oh God, I got to ask for this day off and you keep going through it and you talk, well, if I say this, if I say that it's a slight lie, but like, to think that you are doing that with someone who's supposed to be like, you're supporter.

Yeah, no way. That's crazy. And that also that they like, I'm with a bunch of girls in a, like, according to this movie, I'm with a bunch of girls in a like, it to this movie, I'm with so much girls in a like how that's not big as, it's not this crazy thing. I'm not on a yacht with a bunch of like, you know,

rich Saudi Arabia, and like, it is such an innocent thing, but the man is so like insecure of you being around anybody other than themselves because they have taken such efforts to manipulate you that they know if you get out of their manipulation for any period of time, you might be like, oh wow, the real world.

Yeah. Take me back. Is it interesting? Cause it's like, you know, every day there's like a new cult thing that I see on Netflix and all the other shows. And is it just crazy when you watch those, when you see the similarities? Yeah, there's definite parallels,

like being isolated from your friends and family, being in an environment where everybody in that environment kind of looks to one person, like they're this semi-god-like figure. It's crazy. Yeah, and also the pitting against. Yeah, pitting the girls against each other. That was a big one.

And do you think that was always his intention? Because he didn't always have seven girlfriends. I think for him, it was just this kind of evolution with his insecurity. He got out of a marriage and he was dating three women. And then they left. And then he was dating seven women. And I think he started to notice that none of them were really lasting very long. So then it became, okay, how can I manipulate to get what I want out of the situation and get them to stay as long as possible? And, you know,

yeah, I don't know. Yeah. And I do think so often when it is your actual living situation, like, you know, one of the things I was looking at back at the last episode you guys did is just how you said, you know, I was kind of like, I was hanging out the man's show all the time, and so I was familiar with that these girls got to live there. And I actually was in a place, a financial place, and needing a place to live. And I think that is such a thing that people don't really understand.

And then if you were to have left and gone back home, then any progress you made in your dreams of wanting to model and act and be an entertainment are gone. Yeah, and plus I was always very aware that once I left the mansion, even before the reality show, I knew that the one thing everybody would always know about me was that I lived at the Playboy Mansion.

So it's almost like you're going back, but not even where you started. It's almost like you're set back a little bit because you have this reputation. So that was a big fear for me too. Right, and then just like the whole thing, I'm like, well, I don't think there's a lot of sympathy. No. Because obviously you're with the soldier guy, you're getting all these perks. Yeah. So I think that was a big, a big deal of not being sympathetic to women in your position.

Yeah, for sure. Okay. So tell me a couple, tell me about another one that you guys feature. Which one's having I talked about? I've talked about the Dorothy Stratton and the Jasmine. Yeah, another one that I thought was a really sad case was there was a woman in the early 90s who was a playmate of the month. She was married, her husband was super supportive.

She was like on track to become playmate. Wait, was she married while she became the playmate of the month? Yeah. Isn't that quite unusual? It is very unusual. Yeah. And she had a pageant title. She was Mrs. Ohio.

And Playboy always liked it when they could get like a pageant girl because that was really unusual. Right. That's a little like cleaner kind of like. Yeah, exactly. And somebody who was already like ordained by somebody else is being like really beautiful. So they were really excited about that. She was on track to become playmate of the year.

And I was really surprised to learn this is back in the early 90s, they had a one 900 number that people could call to vote for who they thought should be playmate of the year. But also they had the playmates talking to men over the one 900 number, which to me that was shocking. It seemed so off brand. Like, there's nothing wrong with talking to men over the 1900 number, which to me that was shocking. It seemed so off brand like there's nothing wrong with talking to people over a 1900 number. If that's what you want to do, but it just didn't seem very on brand to me. And they would have the playmates talking to these men over a 1900 number. And the way this woman's husband got killed

was by an obsessed stalker who would call this one playmate all the time. He racked up like $15,000 in 1991 money, calling this number. And I wonder how much she was even getting paid. I know. Probably is what her call was. Yeah, I would assume so. And he found her location through the one 900 number and ended up killing her husband. Oh my God. Yeah.

And then playboy just kind of cut ties with their election, get playmate of the year, there was just kind of like left on her own. Right, because it's such a bad PR situation. I feel like that from the documentary, the A&E documentary, just so many things of just like, no, we don't want that. No, we don't care that this person was assaulted. We don't care, you know, just as whatever way we can just keep it quiet, ship that person off, not have them talk. And I also thought it was so interesting about your situation and some of the other women is that you always thought, like I thought sitting at home when you see like a, you know, Jenny McCarthy or anybody,

I'm like, oh my God, it's such a great stepping stone. Yeah, absolutely. Such a great stepping stone, such a, you know, like to do other things. But like anything, sometimes in certain businesses, if you're like, you're too good at your job, we don't want you to fly off. So the fact that he like, like, having you as, you know, around and his girlfriend whatever, he wouldn't really, he wouldn't, I mean, then you got the TV show, but like,

I think with other women that he was with, that she would, they would think like, oh my god, I finally, I got an agent. And I'm actually going out for a part and then all of a sudden, like then the girl would get a call that, oh, actually, that was cast. Okay, well, at least I have an agent, you'll be sending me out again and then never sends her out again because he picked up the phone and was like,

no, she's not gonna be on three's company. Yeah. No way or whatever. She's my girlfriend. What the hell are you doing? If you ever want to come back to the mansion, you better not poach any of my girls

without going through me first. If it's what I don't care about, great, have her be the star. Let her, you know, but if so many I want, in my realm, I don't know that I want them to be a big star and leave me. Yeah, when we were on the show, we weren't allowed to have outside agents or management or anything like that. Or if we would get offers to do certain things, like they would say, no, you know, I remember Bridget got like some offer to host to the club in Vegas for a lot of money and they told us she couldn't do it. And stuff like that.

That's such a pain because wasn't that just the best easiest gig ever? Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I remember when that was such a big deal with like you girls and like the Kardashians and stuff. And at the time I was doing stand up but I was like, well I ever get to a place where I can just be like, what's my birthday? It was so easy.

You would literally show up for an hour and get paid so much money. Like how much? Like 20,000. Yeah, easily. And for like a New Year's eve, like 75,000 up. And when you would get these opportunities, did you know, like, Hey, this could be the start of something or this could like be the end of it or take

my money when I can, what was your like attitude about? Like where did, where was your, what did you think like the future would be when you were getting these lucrative things? Well, I wasn't really getting any offers coming to me when I was at the mansion, like I had no agent or anything like that where that could come through. But when I left the mansion, I was just like in survival mode, like hit the ground running, like I need to have a career yesterday. Yeah. And you know, I did a pretty good job with that.

But like I realized, like when I decided to leave the mansion, I didn't necessarily think that there would be anything waiting for me or that anything would be easy. So when you let the mansion and then you pretty much got your show about Vegas and was, did they come and go, hey, we're going to build a show around you. And the opportunity we have for you is this show in Vegas or did you have or did the Vegas people come and say, we want you? What was the name of your your peep show? The peep show. Like what came

first, the chicken or the egg? Like what? I got the show on my own in Vegas and then I was trying to shop a reality show of my own around. But then comes to find out the contract I had to sign where I was on Girls Next Door said that if E were to pick up the show with me, it had to be produced by the same producer that did Girls Next Door. So there was always still kind of that connection because he was very close friends with half, but that was the only producer I could use if E wanted to pick up the show. But the show was my idea, like I pitched it and everything. And he did pick it. And what was that like doing, like, a live show like that all the time? Was it exhausting? Did you love it? It was so fun. I mean,

it was very exhausting because to make a show of that size work, you kind of have to be there, like six days a week, five days a week, depending on what time of year it was. There were only certain times a year I could take like a week off five days a week, depending on what time of year it was. There were only certain times of year, I could take like a week off, like never in the summer, you had to like max out the busy seasons, but it was so much fun. It was exactly what I wanted to do.

It was kind of like the last show of its kind in Vegas and it was really fun. And when you think about like what are your thoughts because I'm just thinking about it now, like the years that Brittany worked as the lead of a show, like how exhausting that is. And now, you know, with what's going on with her and what she tries to reveal of, like, I never got to have coffee and everybody got to go to the spa. Like, did you have any relations with her? Because weren't you both at

Planet Hollywood? Yeah, but she started right after I quit. I did go see her show, but we were living there at the same time or anything. And when all that was, did you have any idea, like, we knew she was in a conservative ship, but I don't think we had any idea that it was so, I don't know, that she was so being seen as a workhorse that maybe didn't want to work that hard. I think that's like the biggest thing for me. It's like, I think when she was doing it, I was like, oh, this is great.

You know, for her, she can stay in one place. How easy must that be? And it breaks my heart that that wasn't fun for her. Because it was so much fun for me when I had a show like that. And I went to see her show and you know, her music and everything. It brings so many people so much joy. I had a blast and it just breaks my heart that she was allowed to like feel that or have fun for herself. I know and I really wonder like when people what now I'm like I really don't know that she's ever going to really perform.

Because I don't know that she'll ever really not that she won't be capable but like because I think she should be capable if she wanted it. I just don't know that she'll ever really, not that she won't be capable, but like, because I think she should be capable if she wanted it. I just don't know that she'll ever wanna work that hard because she feels so- Stunned her whole life. Like, yeah, it felt so like abused by it. Like, just every day, every day doing it. And then like, so I think we'll feel like,

what's she doing? And she's like, you know, I'm like, you know what, this might just be it for her. Let her live. Like, she deserves to just like romp in the valley. Yeah, I'm an eyeless and I'm very involved in trying to figure out what really is it. And then at the other hand, I'm like,

if you and, you know, I fall, I see like, she still has so many falls, but I see like once we're on a chuckle, but oh, she lost 100,000. Yeah. Some people are just like, I don't know if I feel right about this, whatever, you know, but I'm also just like. I'm also just like. I'm just like, I'm watching Instagram, even though obviously she knows she's putting it out there, whoever is on her Instagram, putting it out there. But yeah, something about it feels voyeuristic. Like I follow her, but sometimes I see stuff on my feet and I feel like, I don't know. Yeah. Sometimes every once in a while, you'll see a post and you feel like, I feel like I follow her, but sometimes I see stuff on my feet and I feel like, I don't know. Yeah.

Sometimes every once in a while you'll see a post and you feel like, I feel like I shouldn't be seeing that for some reason. I don't know why. I just have that feeling. Yeah, I totally agree. Do you think it'll ever be like another type of playboy situation?

Because the magazine that now has been gone for how many years? Oh my gosh, I don't know. I'm so confused on what happened. What happened to the magazine? The magazine happened, then the boys took over. His son took over for like a minute, and now it's like nobody from the family's involved, I think. And then at one point, I felt like it was like Playboy, but it was like not as new to something for a minute.

But while they didn't have nudity, and then they went back to nudity, and then I think the magazine stopped, and now it's like only fans. I'm kind of confused though. I don't really know Yeah, but like there really is a more playboy. Yeah, I mean as far as another situation like that do you mean like half's personal life or do you mean like the magazine? I kind of mean like I just I kind of think there really won't be I think what's interesting about You know I just, I kinda think there really won't be. I think what's interesting about, you know, like, I guess nude modeling in general, it's like what's good in, what's good

is that it's really in the hands now of the creators. Of the creators, and that's so much better because, you know, especially in watching the show and that, you know, they would take all these test shots. Yeah. And then later on, 10 years later, the girl finds out the test shots are being made into a poster and she's not getting a dime.

But you know, while she's getting her hot rollers in, okay, sign this. And of course, like you're getting a thousand for the day, you're not having an attorney for 1500 look at it, like who the hell is? And if you did, if you probably asked any questions, then you're probably like, this is the last time we're using you. You're not really very cooperative

and happy to be here. So you know what's so crazy to me? I think about the women who chose to pose in the 70s. And back then, it's like you're posing for this magazine. It's like the best of that kind of magazine. It's out for one month. If anybody wants to see the news after that, they've got to go to a library and the adult section.

I don't know. They never knew what the internet was going to be. Or that their news would be so accessible to anyone for the rest of their lives. Like that blows my mind. Yeah. And I remember during it, there was some Twitter back and forth with Hef's line one. mind. Yeah. And I remember during it there was some Twitter back and forth with, um,

Hefs line monkeys. Oh, wait, what's the flying? Flying monkeys as a term for like a narcissistic abuser, like his cronies and his followers will like come after you and attack you. Oh, yeah. Oh, and they were coming after you. Oh, I mean, that's always been a thing. Yeah, but I'm sure probably coming after everybody else who spoke out to you. Yeah. So Chris with crystal crystal then said I found all these. Oh, yeah, that's I thought you were talking about her other. I just worried them. Um, have you had any contact with her? Yeah, we've touched base over Instagram a little bit. We haven't had any like deep conversation but no. But like I think to her for that and everything, I don't know where his actual scrapbook stands.

Like I really don't know, I didn't ask what picture she's referring to because he had like, you would go up to the third level in the house and he would have a room that was just the floor. Like a room this size, the floor would be covered with just prints and pictures. So she might have meant those,

she might have been like, yeah, what am I looking at? Throw those on the dumpster. I don't know if she meant like the scrapbook, because he would keep a scrapbook of every night when he was out with these women. And there would be women who were just coming out to test for playmate that maybe didn't get the job

or he never saw again with like, nudes and all these like, compromising photos. And what kind of foot was it like a Polaroid? What the hell was it? Like a disposable camera. I so like, yeah, so you could have just been some girl that got wasted one night. No, or was like, that was fucking wack of do.

I'm leaving. I never got anything out of it. But then who knows years later, somebody could be accessing his scrapbooks and you've got the girls first and last name and some weird picture that she doesn't remember taking. It's creepy. Yeah.

So what else is going on with you? I do have two kids. They're amazing. So just trying to balance that, just any work stuff and like mom and I, you know, when I'm in one mode, I'm completely in mom mode and then I'm in work mode. I'm completely in work mode. So I kind of feel like I'm two different people, but that's fun.

What is with your dating life? I have a boyfriend. I've had a boyfriend for three years. Yeah. Oh, do we talk about this last time? Who's your boyfriend? Maybe. I think you were like very secretive.

Are you still very secretive? I'm kind of. Like, I mean, I've been in enough cheesy-ass public relationships to just not. I don't want to do that. Oh, yeah. Didn't you date the magicians? Yeah. So this boyfriend thing you've had for three years,

so you're trying to keep this a little bit private. And is it hard? Like, so you don't talk about your relationship or anything or your podcast or anything like that? Not really. Like sometimes something casual come up with Bridget and I are talking about our week and I'll be like, oh me and my boyfriend what did this, like casual stuff,

but I don't go into like, I don't know, deeper issue. Because she's been, and she's been with her guy for a while. Yeah, she's been engaged for a long time. Yeah. And so with the show, now that you've like really kind of covered stuff, like what's going on now, in like what are you covering now in the podcast that is keeping you guys interested in talking still and everything? Well every episode brings up something totally different like I started to review episodes on my YouTube

and I was surprised how every episode kind of brought up a different relevant topic. So it just depends on what that episode brings up like the next episode we're gonna talk about is the first time we ever posed nude for the magazine. So there's that, and there's the fact that we thought we were gonna be blurred. Was that the three of you guys together? I can't remember that, yeah. And I mean, that's another thing too,

is like he would only let us pose together. Like in the end, we got to do some stuff by ourselves, but that always felt kind of weird. Like it was almost like he was telling us we weren't equal to like one playmate. It's like we're only good. The pictures only worth it if we're all together or something. So that kind of felt a little weird. Yeah, like the fact that you guys were part of the show was almost like you would think that you would be at the, you know, yes, you'd all be like

playmate of the year and yes, you'd all be like, but it was dead. It was like the opposite. Yeah, because I think he still kind of wanted to keep us in our place. Yeah. Because for the first pictorial, the studio had a shoot like individual sets, like kind of like express their personalities a little bit and then together,

but of course he never used like the individual pictures. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's other things that came up in that episode, like Bridget asked the cameras to go away so she could have like a private discussion with half and they did the cameras exited but because she was still mic'd up, they used her audio anyway and just put it over like other footage of like the back of her head without her permission. So she thought she was having this private conversation. It's just like every episode is something. Yeah.

So it's a lot of fun to get into. Yeah, that's great. You're just like going through it and everyone's loving it. Well, I'm so excited you came back. I'm excited for this. Thank you for having me for this. And I mean, hopefully, you know, there'll be other genres of stuff that you can cover and get into. And like, you know, because I just think there's always just something so fascinating, I think. And it does get us, it is a juicier story when the girl is glamorous and was putting herself out there, you know, whether it was Playboy or something else.

And like it would get more press. And we You know, whether it was Playboy or something else and like it would get more press and we are more intrigued right because there's like these other elements of Hollywood and what not and what could have been and like, you know, if she wasn't pursuing entertainment, you know, would she have put herself in this vulnerable position? Probably not. If she was just like working at it, you know, working at some normal job, she wouldn't be like, sure, I'll come at you know, out in the woods to do this shoot by myself. You know, like every little thing, you're just like, the jobs are so few far in between, you put yourself in this like, yeah. So fascinated with any like Hollywood related true crime stuff. Like, yeah, it's so fascinating to me. Yeah, yeah, so fascinated with any like Hollywood related true crime stuff. Like, yeah, so fascinating to me.

Yeah. Well, I'm so glad. So this Playboy murders, it's on the ID network. It starts Monday, 23rd, the 23rd. So it's every week for six weeks and then girls next level. Anywhere, were you listening to podcasts? Yeah. Anywhere you listen to podcasts. That's every Monday. Yeah. Yeah.

Awesome. Thanks for coming. You look beautiful as always. Thank you so much. you