Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Real Housewife Arrested and Lesbian Affairs with Kate Casey

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

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to be here. So happy to see you. Thank you. We always have such a good time. We always have so much to talk about. And we're going to get right into it because it was a big weekend for real housewives of prisoners. There was another horrible arrest as far as I think there's going to be some real time done. This is real housewives of Potomac. One of their most highly educated housewives that we've ever had, Dr. Wendy would often say, I have four degrees. She was a professor at John Hopkins. Her husband was a lawyer. So Wendy and her husband claimed that they came back from a vacation with their kids in Jamaica to find that their house had been broken into, but only things were stole through a, someone came through a bathroom window and got it.

to her closet and stole jewelry and handbags and items like that. And then they reported it to the police and their insurance and went along their way. Then what they were arrested for with numerous felonies is insurance fraud and filing a fake police report. They believe that there was no robbery, that the crime scene was suspicious. It was like a screen that was open from the inside or something. And that in doing the insurance fraud, there was emails going back and forth between the lawyer husband and the four degree Wendy, who, by the way, did leave teaching at John Hopkins to try to sell candles and have her own talk show, Wendy. Anyway, that saying, what else can we put on it to get to the maximum $423,000 insurance claim?

Busted. They found that there were items that were on the insurance claim that had already been bought and returned before the alleged robbery. And then one of her wedding bands that was on the claim, she proceeded to wear in posted photos on social media. It's insane. You know that my first reaction to the story was? What a fun job to be the investigator for the insurance company.

Yeah. You know, when you start to suspect, like you show up to the crime scene and you're like, I'm not kind of buying this. And you have to play the long game. Right. And do all the research and ask questions and not let them know that you're on to them. Yeah, you can't go right off the bat. I think you're lying.

Yeah. It's like, you know, you have to go exactly, get them to continue. So the case gets stronger and stronger and stronger. And as it gets stronger and stronger, they're getting felony after felony after felony after felony. And I mean, it looks like 16 against her, 18 against him. Okay. So do you think this is a case of a housewife that has been living a smoke and mirrors lifestyle situation feels the pressure of maintaining this persona, this brand, this lifestyle to be. be a real housewife or do you think it's her husband having difficulty getting investment

because he's got a cannabis business, which is like it's hard to get loans for that kind of business. So do you think it's more because of his business or lack of business or it's because of the demands of what the show does to her brand, her persona? Sadly, no. I think this is her personality. I think she's a scammer. I think if they were never on the show, they would have probably pulled this crime. I never saw her as a liar or a scammer or anything like that. She was not one of those people. Like, I didn't like Jen Shaw's persona before she was, I remember. There was something, I just did not like Jen Shaw. I just thought before we ever knew what she did for a living, she's also doing time for stealing from elderly in a long scam

and for Real House Desert Salt Lake City in case you guys are like trying to remember all the criminals. I just thought she thought a little highly of herself, but I really thought she was an accomplished smart person, but she's obviously not smart if she thought she'd get away with this crime. Well, clearly. But there are people that now point out that the story that Wendy told about either this crisis of vacillating between academia and a career in journalism or on TV was not accurate. What are they thinking it is? She may not have received tenure or or been offered tenure. So she really didn't have any opportunity

to kind of move up in academia. So she made up this story. Because when she would go on TV to, you know, give commentary, that's not a paid position. Right. And didn't really go anywhere. I think she always wanted to be on TV.

Just be honest. I mean, I just think it's the same when you, you know, Emily not being an attorney and like all these things just because you have it. Like being, once you get a taste of this fame in the TV, and stuff. You're like, well, this is a lot more fun. I've gotten some plastic surgery. I feel more confident in my body. My kids are getting older. Like, I could do this other stuff,

which is going to be a lot less work than actually teaching full on college classes, grading papers, having to be accountable. Like, so I'd ever thought the fact that she left that I, that didn't make me. You're like, I don't blame you. Do you really want to work that hard? Do you want to have to have a syllabus and students and be held accountable? Yeah. I am actually. because I did think that they were like so on the up and up that they were so both like highly educated and stuff that I was sort of surprised I was surprised to see this. But I wonder, you know, the insurance scam thing, I just wonder how many people do it. I wonder if it's harder in certain states. Like I wonder if certain states are more excited to crack down on it

versus like California? Is there a statue of limitations on this? Like, you know, could something from four years ago in L.A. or Encino come up? And then they're like, hmm, we just were waiting this long to, I don't know. But that, who knows? So it makes, the only thing, though, I watched the premiere episode and I kind of sort of winced when she was talking about her husband's business. And she was like, wait, has it already money? Wait, Potomac has already started to air?

Mm-hmm. How many episodes? That's like two. Oh, my God. Yeah. Do you think they were waiting on that? You know, they're conspiracy theorists who do believe there is some connection. I feel like that would be too much work.

I think that sometimes they, that producers do have a heads up about, I saw something, too, that they're like, again, there's a theory that, um, there's a theory that, um, that the producers and stuff did know about the FBI that day with Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw, they were tipped off. Yeah. And I don't know. But I just interviewed the executive producer of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and asked her about that moment. But in her retelling it, it seemed like there are too many moving parts. Yeah. That I don't know. Getting back to this, she was one of the four Housewives among the franchises who were going to do Real Housewives swap. And they pulled it. Oh, they pulled her episode. episode, and that's why the premiere is a couple weeks later. I think so. So she's not even going to be on it at all. I don't think so.

How bummed if you were the normal family that got to swap with her? That's the first thing I thought. That's the first thing I thought. It's like, that person is like, I'm, okay, I'm going to be able to tell all my friends from high school, I'm going to be on TV. And then. So I saw that she did a podcast Zoom interview. And I apologize to the. to the guy that I don't have his dude.

Oh, no, she did, yeah. She did. She did Gibson's show. Yes, Gibson. Yeah. And so he's asking, you know, because it was out in the news that she had been robbed. Mm-hmm. And she is sitting there talking to him, straight up lying and talking about it.

Like, did you see she looked at the floor? Yeah, there was some, there was definitely some, you know, if you study lying body language, whatever. Here comes the OC acting lying. lie detector, but she, you know, he was being nice saying like, oh my God, and, you know, she went on like everybody, the violation, even though we weren't there and we came back. And you know, there's been no robberies on my street. So I think it was targeted. Like, she was adding extra lies. Maybe that actually would have been a piece of the, like, the nail in the coffin. Like, first of all, like, yeah, if I was lying about this thing. He deserves a journalism award for that. But also, if I was lying about that, I would be like, hey, um, you know, you know enough of these things, you can say, hey, don't ask me about my divorce or don't ask me about my son in rehab. She could have said, there's an ongoing investigation with my robbery, so just don't ask me about that. And she could have said that before. But no,

she got into it and played into the sympathy. She did. And it's just amazing. Falsy. Yeah. Wasn't, okay, and I could be wrong. Okay. But allegedly wasn't one of the things that was a problem with Teresa was that, you know, once they were, once they were going through before she was sentenced to prison, she was not going to have to go to prison. They did a bankruptcy thing. And she had to say, here's all my possessions or list them or something. I think you do have to do that. And then somehow she was caught line. Yeah, not sharing everything she was supposed to about that. And if I'm wrong, it's alleged whatever. Something about that, like she wasn't going to do prison until she again screwed up on some other thing about her possessions. And it's like with these possessions, like, what are you thinking? Like, well, I think you also have to really have good, really good legal counsel that goes through it with a fine tooth comb. Or just the audacity of just thinking that you're so smart that you're going to get out of this. Those are the same people. people who are agreed to do a reality show. You have to be diabolical, delusional, and

balzy to do it. Right. Normal people would go, my boss might think it's a little bit weird, or I don't know how I want my kids to think about this years from now. But you have to be missing that chip, that impulse that will tell you, like, this may not end well for me. I don't think they have it. It's just like the opposite of like the insurance thing. Like, I had a ring recently. that I talked about that was in this jewelry box. I switched it. And I'm like, yeah,

I think it was thrown out. I'm pretty convinced it was thrown out. I've had that happen to me with jewelry. You know, this is like the opposite. Like she was like, oh, no, I have it all. And I'm going to say that it was stolen. Yeah. Not even like I lost it.

Or it like fell down the drain. Like she could have said, oh my god my ring fell down the drain and it's worth $10,000 and now I need the $10,000 and then somehow I don't know hit it away but I guess those things get caught they also find those things like at a pawn shop too sometimes so you can't say it fell down the drain and then say that I mean it's just what about the fact that there was a whole scene like it'd been ransacked with like a mattress flipped over and in her house you eat yeah like who was the one who did that that they planned that's all out and i was just thinking and on top of it they're catholic

remember they had the boys first holy communion yeah that was a whole scene yeah and like and her mom like what what are the parents gonna say like and then in their her mom's freaking out because her mom was freaking out that she wasn't going to be in academia so you and also eddie's a lawyer and they is he going to get to sparred and by the way they're mud shots like she's i know it's such a weird thing They were smiling. I think they were high. I didn't want to feature their my shots, but they're smiling. You can look them up.

I think they were high. So he is not a lawyer anymore. He has a cannabis business. Yes. But he still, you know, went to law school. So you would think. I wonder if they'll represent themselves. It's surprising that he would send that in an email.

Like, what lawyer would? Huh? There's so many movie parts of the story. Like, why wouldn't you say that at night? Like, wait, where are we on this thing? Can we throw like 10 more? bags on there? Or if you're committing a crime, like, in the dark with a flashlight under your chin, like, you're going to, boop, like, email? What? And then, so, so they're not currently

filming the show, right? Or are they? No, I know. They picked up cameras. And wouldn't you? I would call headquarters and go. That should be a shirt. They picked up cameras. Juicy scoop. I'm going to make that a shirt. I heard they just picked up cameras. Yes. Oh, God. Well, I mean, I definitely think they're both going to do time, which is really sad because, you know, they have the kids. So they're probably going to try to have to do something like the Dujici's where it's like happened. Here's what they need to do. Yeah. Just cop to it. I think that's a little too late. Just cop to just go, you know, Eddie has this business. We really were facing some massive debt. It's been a lot more stressful. Like Pula Whitney Rose from Salt Lake City. It was like, and then just we made a big mistake. Now we're suffering. But we're not. We made a big mistake. Now we're suffering. But we're. we're going to get back up. Just cop to it. Yeah, I guess you have to cop to it. You're on a reality show. That's your career for the rest of your life. Okay, this is what they should do. Lean into it. She should say that's what it is. That she got sucked into this fake world of being rich. And she felt, and then they were in debt because they really don't get paid that much from Bravo.

And she, it was wrong for her to also include a ring. that is so close to her heart because it is her wedding band. Yeah. And they still love each other. They're still a family. They don't want to be taken away from their kids, from each other. Talk about that. Talk about that.

And, yeah. And that's why I still wore the ring. Yeah. Well, what about returning things right before and claiming that they were stolen? Well, again, I needed the money to keep up the image of being a real housewife. But the thing about it is, I wouldn't just talk about that. I would talk about the pressure. of your husband trying to build a business.

And I would say lean into it's really hard to grow a cannabis business. I think it's really hard for them. Like I said, to get loans. I know, but that's not like a sympathy thing. No, but you could say the reality of some, like your partner, leaving the law practice to start a business and I'm on TV and raising kids. Okay, well, in my, okay, you're only thing you could do to possibly get people to understand. Okay, if you're there to defense attorney, I'm trying to.

trying to get their business, too. I'm going to say, let's not talk about the cannabis business. I don't think that's going to win over a jury. But I also would say, you really weren't surrounded by, like, that wealthy of people. Your castmates are already in prison for a DUI for her fourth, which is Karen Huger. Giselle is that house that was made by Legos is not a fancy house. I don't think that Osefos live. I think they live pretty far away from.

But I'm saying it's not like she can really do the excuse of I had to keep up with the Joneses of my cast. Because that cast is not a wealthy cast. It's about being on television. Right. That's what we have to just go with the television. Go with the television. I think she says I started to believe that if I didn't increase my lifestyle, that it wouldn't provide me additional opportunities in reality TV. Great.

To be on traders, to be on, you know, this space. off show, shows I wanted to pitch, I felt like if I didn't have a bigger and more abundant lifestyle that I would be overlooked for opportunities. This guy said that he, I guess his name is Rob Smith, I think, but he is a also commentator of things. Okay. But I think he's more on the conservative side. Oh, I watched that one. So he might not like her because of her liberal views. I think that was a dig because they had been together on TV. But he had said that she was very rude and full of herself and blah, blah, blah, blah. But you're also going back to bat.

But that's just kind of interesting that like... I think they had been on several different. He didn't appreciate her when they were like talking heads together. So we'll see what happens with that. And to the person that's wife swapped with her... You know what I've got to be honest? More people are going to watch Real Houseways of Potomac this season. Because we're going to be looking through each up.

episode, like the Zapruder film to see if there are other inaccuracies. I mean, there is no way that the people at Bravo are never not happy, providing that someone is not dead when someone gets arrested. Yeah, probably. Like, provided that no physical harm has happened to anybody, they've got to be thrilled every single time. Yeah. I'm going to be watching all season. Like, I just think they get the news and they go, wow, wow. And then they shut the door and, like, do a dance. You know, like, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It looks like, you. and me when we call each other like, oh my God, what is going on? But it's, yeah, the audacity

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all season. No, you may not even have to watch the reunion, but you're going to enjoy this conversation because it's crazy. And let me say, I love this show so much. I like it. I've interviewed the executive producer. I always tell him it's my favorite of all the franchises. I love that show more than any other real housewife. I think they are all so funny, truly colorful. It's like

they all so you know multi cultural from different countries speak multiple languages They're all family of immigrants by the way Yes. All of them. Oh Yeah. All gorgeous outfits. I like their looks. All of it.

All authentically unapologetically authentically themselves. So here we go. Adriana says that she brought Julia, who's married to Martina, onto the show. Nobody would have found you with her goats in that place, Julia.

Nobody. And I brought you here to be on this show. Okay, I did it for you. And Julia, who's Russian, says, and I may not have her accent down, says, what you don't know, Andy. which could be some clarity on why Adriana and I are no longer close is back in the Hamptons, we slept together. They slept together. And that was like four years ago. And she

claims that Adriana held it over her, her like a carrot or held it over her head. Dangled it. Like I'm going to tell it. I'm going to ruin your marriage. And Martina is this a famous tennis player. She's, they've been together a while, married, now adopted these two boys just recently who are like three and one that are brothers. And she tells it. So that, we knew that last week. Then this week, Adriana comes back and she goes, you're a married woman.

What does it matter what I did with you? You are a cheater. You slept with a Haitian mortician. and they're like, what? And you had to give him a coffee machine as a thank you gift. What? He brought the champagne

and you banged him. You got the hotel room. You told me about it. And then you and you're a Haitian mortician. And they're like, what? Was this like, what kind of coffee machine? And he's like, wait, did it have a cream foamer? Like, what are we talking about?

And she's like, so then they leave. And he's like, who was the Haitian mortician? And people were like, in the comments, was the hastenortician, a woman or a man? Like, yeah. And she's like, a fair, hardly. Meaning, yeah, I fucked this guy. I fucked this guy. Yeah, like probably one time.

Yeah, one time I had a free coffee machine. But I don't think anybody cared. And you slept with a cop. No one cared because they're like, that tracks. But also. But also, it's also to me. so humiliating to Martina. Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

Let's think about Martina before she entered our world as the most unhappy, humorless spouse of any housewife in the history of the housewives. Like, you're just like, why are you agreeing when you had this, like, you know, really great reputation as this incredible tennis player your whole life? And now you and this wife who needs to be on TV, not only did you, I just thought I have to keep this sexy wife happy so she can be on the housewife's fine. She used to be a model. She wants to be in front of TV. Fine. With this, I'm like, it's so embarrassing because even if you did have an open marriage, it's just gross that you're like sleeping with some cop possibly. and a mortician at hotel rooms.

And then they went back. And do you remember when Larsa was like, I saw you making out with a black guy or something? And she's like, I kiss lots of people. What does it matter? So she's a serial cheater or they're open. She's an imp. She's an imp.

She's whatever. I don't think it really affects Martina because how many people in her tennis world are keeping up with every episode of Real House of Miami? The rumors are that she is, but I don't know. that's true, that she's very unhappy and that there was a time she was looking at a divorce attorney. But I have two new kids. Sorry. Also, Julia says that in the show. She's like, we're going through a hard time. And she says if I was pretty transparent, like our relationship's really difficult all the time. And you know, when you're having a really hard time in your marriage,

the best thing that you can do is adopt two children. And put them on reality TV. I know. That's always, every marriage counselor will tell you. that if there is cheating on a reality show between you and your spouse, this will definitely bring you guys together. And especially if your spouse has never been a mother and is 68 years old, there's nothing that that woman would rather do than chase after a one and a half year old and three year old. That is really going to help make them a close. I actually thought the big secret may have been that Adriana was going to say,

I know the real reason her daughters are not speaking to her about the kids. And I thought, now that would be much more painful. Which is what? They don't want to share an inheritance. Because I was like, that's what we want to know. But the cheating, I was kind of like, so what day is it of the week? Like, okay, that's not that surprising. I mean, the daughters are going to come around.

But, I mean, probably the daughters are just like, mom, you've had like a, she's been. One daughter is like, you don't even know the name of the school I went to. Yeah, she doesn't know what school is she what her daughter went to, never visit it. whatever. She had, you know, many men and husbands and fianc, whatever it was before she met Martina. And then Adriana says, wait, I just want to get, okay, so we'll go through this. Here we see them in their colorful outfits, hearing about it, hearing about everything. And so then she says, she keeps saying everything to Andy of what's going on. And the, all just did look so beautiful. And this was my favorite part is that Adriana. Oh my God.

You need to talk to her about comedy. You need about comedy. She's like, she's always like three beats behind and she has props. Well, listen, I can relate to this wardrobe situation where she put her dress on and was like, I want to get my favorite corset underneath to snatch my waist while I sit on this couch. however it's not low enough but no one's going to see it except when you keep getting up and standing and pointing and everything so you have the mic and all this stuff

and that's when she walks over and she goes she says Julia Julia whatever your name is she changed her name Andy from Julia to Julia from Julia to Julia he's like what? And she goes here you go you took my heart so now you can have it in a box and they're like what the fuck is

what in the Jeffrey Dalmer is this like fake crafty heart that's in a wooden box and I'm like okay well then maybe now I'm thinking you guys were full on lovers like now I do think you're in love with her because then she also goes back to this night that they're in the Miami rain and she's like Julia you taught me what love is it's you. genderless. It's this. It's that. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't make sense that you were so weird and so hard. You're supposed to be my best friend. When I'm like, Alexia and the other girl that she's mad that Julia's hanging out with, Marissel, to me, they've never done anything bad to Adriana. It's like, Adriana's like fighting a bunch of people that are like, I'm not even mad at you.

Like, who cares? Like, there was no, like, big thing. And, um, Anyway, I found her very... My favorite part was when Andy is standing with Alexia, Julia, like, backstage after they take a break. Yeah. And they're all trying to ask Julia, like, well, what all did you do with her? Sexually. Sexually, like, break it down. And Kiki, who is so absolutely hilarious walks in and was like, I'll tell you, I watch a lot of the porn.

Yeah. And there's so many funny moments. There's so many funny moments. and that with, like, O.C., which is unbearably not funny. Yeah. Oh, my God. And then Larsa cut. Larsa and Stephanie are talking about that, and they're like, well, we can't top the Haitian mortician. Can't do it. Like, she's just like, what are we going to do about that? Like, I don't know. They're

just, like, laughing. And it does. It shows what I do love about Stephanie, who's the new girl, is she's like, I'm good with everybody. I truly, like, love all these women. I didn't have a lot friendships before. I like that part. I feel like she made new friends. Yeah. And she's like, yeah, Alexia and I, we all like each other. So, you know, we still have one more episode to do things. I feel like, you know, Larsa and Lisa, they're going to be fine. Everyone's going to be fine. But where do you go when there was a lesbian rendezvous among cast members that aren't happy, are still mad at each other. They'll show up to filming.

They will. I think you got to keep them all, right? Of course. We don't want anyone to go. I don't want anyone to go. But then, okay, so someone put this in my group anonymously, when Adriana said, Andy, there is a spy among us. I did not realize this is her beauty photo.

This is when Julia, I'm guessing this is this is, not a doctored photo, but, because this was an anonymous thing. Among, among, is spelled wrong. I know. I'm not having, I'm taking it back about that. But she was Miss USSR. Yes. So she's, she's saying that she's like a Russian spy.

Okay. In a beauty contest. I think that's true. I think this is real. Anyway. I think we've got a long list of spies that we have to, that we're all looking right now. I think Julia is probably the lowest on the list. Yeah, I don't think we're worried about it really. But it's by within the, in the Miami real house. She's so stealth. She chooses

Martina Navratilova. Yeah. And then, no, there's nothing deceptive about Julia. I think she's, I do think she's a slutty opportunist. Yeah, she's like, that's all. That's all. Just trying to survive. So this came out today. Katie Ross, who has. has had a colorful past. She was on Real House Osatomac with Dr. Wendy, and she posted this today. Ashley and I love each other. There is no beef, but she has no cooth.

I got to throw a flag. My magical vagina that she told details about, she told Andy Cohen, I have a hamster pussy on national TV. She ate it, so I guess she would know. She is just a hater. she's just a hater we love you wendy but why is there a photo of ashley with her mother below that's what she chose to comment on it's really weird because i guess ashley somehow was not be was kind of laughing about the potomac arrest of dr wendy so then katie comes out of the woodwork to defend well i saw katie defending wendy first and so maybe that was just like her loyalty coming out but also a hamster when did she say, and what an awful description. I mean, a hamster pussy.

You lost me. I'm like, and I'm out. And then she said, she, she ate it. So I guess she would know she is just a hater. Okay, well, also, Ashley has said in an interview recently, I'm dating both men and women. She's been openly bisexual this entire time. And now so is Real Housewife, Atlanta. Portia says I'm dating both men and women.

Again, I don't think with the stuff. People are like, okay. I mean, I feel like in like two years, someone's going to be like, and then you ate me out. We're going to be like, what? Remember how it was like really kind of juicy when like with the Vanderpump girls

when they were doing that sometimes? That was like so many years ago. Lala and Ariana. And then also Kristen Doty. I think the only people that really cared about that were the guys that watched Vanderpump rules. Because I just think women are kind of like, but to me, I don't know. I've never in my friend group known somebody that's married to men and go down on each other. Yeah.

So if it happened in my real life, I would be like hit me over with a feather. I would be so shocked. But now I was like when it was happening with the- I think it's so much on TV that you're just sort of like. I mean, when it was happening with the Vanderpump girls, I would be. was like, well, I think, yeah, with younger people, this is more common when you're getting high and drunk and I don't know, just happens. Happens like it's like a Vegas thing. I don't know what it is. But like now I think that is just like someone just trying to. Good for them.

Retaliate. Okay. Now, new report on, this is from the Hollywood reporter, Amy Bradley, that is the very, one of the biggest docs that happened this year. This is the young, girl that went missing over 25 years ago off of a carnival cruise ship, which she shared a room with her parents and her college age brother. She had just graduated from college and they've been looking for her for years. And you interviewed the producers of this doc. Yeah. And you definitely think she's alive. I do think she was alive. I think she lived for a long time. Now, we, we, we should preface this is that we have a long history of disagreeing about true crime cases okay and rather than being angry about it no i think it's absolutely hilarious we listen you can have different views

and actually still be friends like it you can agree to disagree makes me laugh so hard so when you were like no she's she wasn't traffic she jumped off the boat i couldn't stop laughing accidentally fell i was like of course like we of course so and i and i you know what Obviously, I hope that she's alive or comes out of the woodwork and she just happened to never have a Netflix subscription this whole time or seen the numerous reports about her or seeing the posters or whatever because she's so embarrassed that she was trafficked and doesn't want her family to know that even though they were not happy that she was in a lesbian relationship, that it would have been worse if she was sleeping with men as a trafficked. I just don't believe the whole thing. I just don't. Okay. And I just, I absolutely believed that she was taken.

Okay. And I've been following this case for decades. And I've believed from the very beginning that she was taken off that ship. Okay. So there has been new information that's come forward that I wanted to make sure that you noted. Okay, number one, IP address hits on that website. It's, they found a boat off the coast of the western part of Barbados that they have been looking into. What do you mean? Wait, someone's living off of on a boat? Yes. And the pinging of

the IP address for the Amy Bradley's missing website, it's suspect. And that happens to be in an area that has high drug and sex trafficking. Okay. Okay, number two, during the documentary, there was, or there was discussion, I don't know if it would, I don't think it made it to the documentary because they couldn't track this woman down. But there was a barter. bartender, a female bartender who didn't speak English that well, who had said Senorita kidnapped the day that morning after she was, or she disappeared. That woman has now come forward. The man that was doing the video of the nightclub where she was dancing in the documentary says, I was told to get rid of that video. He has now named who that person was.

And that told him? And that person is in the documentary. He was like head of the vote. A fourth thing is they have now reason to believe that there is a child. Amy does have a child. So, I mean, she would have to have been taken off the boat to have had a child, correct? So what do you think happened? I think she probably had been talking to someone about doing some sort of drug. It could have been as simple as marijuana. And I think she went to her room.

I think she had a second wind, she went out, she met somebody, and somehow got off the boat, either on her own accord or with somebody pushing her. And then she's off the boat and then immediately realizes, I don't know how to get, like I'm in a bad situation. And I think when women are trafficked, they are given a prodigious amount of drugs. They are raped. They are tortured. And they're not only coping with trying to get off the drugs, but they don't know how to get home. They don't know how to get help. And there's also the psychological torture of the person that has taken them.

And if you had a baby with someone that raped you, then you would also feel a sense of need to stay there. And I do think there's an incredible amount of shame that comes with victims. and unless we've been through that experience, we really wouldn't be able to understand it. There are enough people that have had thrown up red flags in this case that I think there's enough reason to pursue it. And the fact that the FBI has put a new special agent, I mean, they've been to Capitol Hill since this has come out. So I think it all is pointing to there's enough information to lead us to believe that she lived past the day that she disappeared.

Okay. Very good. I disagree. I don't think that you are a target for trafficking when you are sharing a bedroom with your parents and your brother on a ship and you have a sensible haircut and you wear burk and stock. I don't think they like look at certain haircuts and clothes and they're like, you got the look that we're looking for. I'm just saying I don't think and I don't and I think if this was a thing of happening of people, being trafficked and getting off the boat. There would be, along with her missing,

are these eight, ten other women during that time? Well, there was a, all those people didn't look for their relatives. No, there was a girl that has come forward and said that just after Amy disappeared, that same man, Yellow, had been trying to get her to get off the boat too. And she has pictures with him on the boat. And that girl was only 13 at the time. So I do think it was happening, but I don't think a lot of people have the strengths to come forward. Do you think there's any chance that the pinging that's coming is her?

However, she isn't an okay place. It's possible. But is sitting back, is it ever possible that someone is okay and sees their family or their loved ones or their husband? or their mother begging for them to call and they just are like this is fun I fucking hate you

and you can worry about me for the rest of my life because I do think I've covered a lot of true crime docs where there are people that kind of disappear and it's on purpose besides like a Sherry Papini

so is it possible can someone really be sitting back for years and years and be like I just like to go on that website as my you know to see what just to see, you know, if they're still looking for me or whatever.

It's possible. I just don't think in this case. I think this case is a money-making case as far as entertainment value. I think there's certain true crime cases that you go into a network and you say there's a new wrinkle on the John Bonnet. And it's an angle that the guy that, whatever, you just come up with one. tiny new wrinkle and we have another person that's going to be interviewed and they're like yeah we know just like someone that does an article about Taylor Swift knows as long as we say Taylor Swift got a new bra whatever that the clickbait is going to go there it's it's that's all you need and that is why

there's so many docs about OJ so many docs about Jean Bonnet and I'm like many about Amy Bradley actually There were. Trust me. There are date lines, 2020s, and there was not that many. Trust me, when they announced it, I was excited because I thought thankfully, they're finally going to put the muscle into it. I'm hopeful. I really am.

All right. Yeah. Oh, going back. Apartment 303, or 603, what happened to Alan Greenberg on Hulu? Well, I started to watch it. Okay. And this girl, this girl, she's a teacher. She's not loving her job as a teacher, but she says the boyfriend, the fiance

is in their nice apartment, Millie in Brooklyn or wherever it was. Was it Brooklyn? Where was it? No, it was in Maniunk outside of Philadelphia. Philly, yeah. He's at the gym inside the apartment complex. He comes back up and this latches on the door and he can't get in. Yeah. So he's like trying to get in. He's annoyed. He gets in. And she's in the kitchen. And she has, he says, oh, my God, she stabbed herself. And so it's like, did he kill her? Was this suicide? This doesn't make sense. No one stabs themselves suicide. What, we never, we never found out what happened. Well, yeah, the problem is, is that the police, they came up with their initial report. And then they switched it to, to, suicide. So the whole story is sort of like how perplexing, why did they switch it? And I think the really big question is their political influence because the family of the fiance was close friends with the governor. And did that have some sort of influence? So but so but how would

he okay. So if he was responsible for her death, how did he get the latch of the door to shut because in the documentary the building manager says that there is this thing in that building with doors that if you walk out the door and like slam it from behind, that the doors sometimes latch back.

Oh, yeah. Well, I think if you want to watch it, it's an important story because I think it sheds the light on political influence in true crime cases. Hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next

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