Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Real Housewife Margaret Josephs, Ultimate Betrayals and Reconciliations

Episode Date: March 1, 2022

Hollywood couples sometimes reconcile! Colton Underwood is engaged, gay, and happy. Kimora Lee Simmons was one time with the ultimate financial and love swindler. Shanna Moakler escaped an abusive boyfriend. Then RHONJ Margaret Josephs gets into marital affairs, hypocrites, Teresa’s fiancé's response to his viral video, and who's dating who in New Jersey. We also discuss part 1 of RHOSLC and why Heather Dubrow of RHOC is mad at Margaret. Lastly, we cast Girls Trip 3 and what real housewives should join Margaret.  Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to get exclusive Extra Juicy episodes every Friday and get all episodes of Juicy Scoop, ad-free Or get access to Extra Juicy on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail]             Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Woo-hoo! And a McDonald! Juicy Scoop! Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm going to try to give you some fun, juicy, good news. This is coming from the show Dish Nation. Apparently, Lisa Bonet and Jason Momoa were so sad when they heard they broke up because they just ooze sexuality and hotness. Well, apparently they

are back living together. Last, I heard he was like living in some rich friend of his RV, like a fancy RV, near to Peggy can, so he could be near his kids. Well, I guess he got out of the RV and apparently is living back with her and they're trying to make it work. So, that's kind of sweet because you rarely, rarely hear that in Hollywood. But then in the same week, we hear that Ben Stiller and his wife christine taylor they have been married a very long time like twenty years have a couple kids um...

they who could you know announce they're breaking up for getting divorced i don't think they were like filed or how to turn user what but now they're saying they never even dated other people and now they are rekindling their marriage. So, you know, there's been a lot of COVID breakups, maybe now that some of the states are living, lifting the mask mandates,

maybe people will chill the F out and give it one more chance to fall in love. Oh, I'm watching Love is Blind, and I'm gonna get into details on Thursday's show once I'm finished with the series. So better catch up, you've got a couple days to watch it because Justin Martin-Dale and I'm gonna get into details on Thursday's show when some finish with the series. So better catch up, you've got a couple days to watch it because Justin Martin Dale and I are gonna get into it. But as I was watching it, I was like, oh my God, Peter,

we should be so much more in love right now. All these people want is just to be married and have a partner and like hear all the married people like miserable. There's whole shows about people that all they want to do is be married. If you're married, just know you're the envy of the world. Maybe if we start maybe if us married people start walking around just knowing that we are the envy of every person that's on a reality show right now that wants to get married,

we are their couple goals. Maybe we won't be so hard on ourselves. Speaking of getting married, Colton underwood for he did a whole show where he was on on the vatch lorette trying to get married then he became the vatchler trying to get married then he finally came to his truth and got another show called being called to know something on Netflix that nobody talked about anyway was it was him coming out and coming out called to know and keeping up with colton i don't know anyway he though you know cage was truth told his parents who were conservative and you didn't think

that he accepted that he is gay. Shortly, I think even before I could even watch one episode of the show, we found out he was already in love with this guy. He said he liked daddies, so that just means in the gay world, like just like a guy that's a little older than you, I guess, that could kind of be your dad, I don't know, or look like a dad. They're engaged. I don't know who asked whom, but they got engaged, and I don't know if this is going to be televised or anything. I

don't know if they can get a deal at KJUILORS like that other gay couple did. I don't know, but because I have to say, I don't think that their show got a lot of buzz. And so good for them. Good for them. I'm excited to watch what happens. They seem happy. I'm still so curious to know what happened to Cassidy. She absolutely didn't want to do any interviews when he came out of his gay. She does not want to talk to me. But if you do, I would love to hear your perspective now because you work his fiancee, you met him on the show, and he was pretty awful to you because he

wasn't facing his truth. But anyway, you feel different as time keel the wounds of anger. Okay. Just a small let you guys, his people are demanding that he get a new trial they are saying that this whole the verdict of him being found guilty of faking his own hate crime uh... wasting police resources lying to the police they're saying that this just isn't fair because uh...

they didn't they didn't get access to the jurors the way they think they should have it basically what I gather is one juror had family that was in law enforcement and she was part of the jury. So I find this kind of interesting because I do remember someone saying to me many years ago, if you ever get called for jury duty and you want to get a jury duty, just say that you have a lot of law enforcement in your family. And chances are the defense won't want you on the jury. But I mean, I don't, I think that's dumb.

I think people can be unbiased. And I mean, if you're going to just exclude everybody for any possibility that they might be sympathetic to one of the other side, I just don't know how you're going to, I mean, the whole point is you're having 12 people on there because it's not just up to one of the other side. I just don't know how you're gonna I mean the whole point is you're having 12 people on there Because it's not just up to one person anyway. I think they did a really good case And I don't think it was a hard thing to prove but he is trying to get another trial so Good luck to him

But you know what I wouldn't be surprised if he's on a TV show two years from now I really wouldn't. Everybody that was canceled seems to just be living their life two years later and no one seems to care. Okay, speaking of people that are living their life, TMZ is now saying that the tinler, swindler dude, that looks a lot like Josh Flagg, my friend friend is supposedly expecting to get 20,000 a night to appear at a night club. I mean, really, like you're the club rotor and you're like, you know, how we could fill this place on a Saturday night.

Let's get the tender, swindler here, pay him 20 grand. Maybe I can't imagine that you couldn't get other hot social influencer TV people and pay them that much or less and have a better crowd come. But maybe people are that curious. Hey, look, I'm still talking about him. Well, I wonder if the family that he was pretending to be part of got wind of this and his cameo money and was like, you know what, we are going to sue him for lying about us. He lied to all these people and said that he was our son. He photoshopped himself into our photo.

He changed his last name to match ours. He is not part of our diamond family fortune and they're suing him and they said that we'll stop at nothing and want whatever money we recover from this guy, and whatever money we recover from this guy who now appears to be making some, we will give to his victims. So I think we're not done with them. This is a crazy story that has so many elements. This ex-Golman-Sex banker, Tim Lester, is right now in court for allegedly stealing up to $200 million from 1MDB. It stands for this like Malaysian big financial fund. And it goes deep. And he said in court that he twice faked divorce to marry his next spouse.

And he used Photoshop documents to where reality star Kimora Lee Simmons. Kimora Lee Simmons, we haven't really heard a lot about her. She was kind of in the heyday of like, I, around 2008, 9, 10, 11. That's when her show was on E. So she married Russell Simmons. They had two adorable little girls. and she was on E for like

six years and I think she a couple years after that she had one more like show on another network but it didn't really hit. I was just kind of one of the shows where we just followed her around and her little girls and it was just about like trying an outfits and building brand trying you know having a lot of assistance and like rearranging a closet. She then met another actor forgot his name and had one more and had one child with him. Then she thought she married this guy Tim and they had a son. But now he is admitting this guy Tim that he submitted fake documents to Mary first, Judy Chan, a former analyst

at Goldman in 2000 while he was married to a identified woman. So he was married to one woman, still married to her, married this other woman at Goldman Sachs. Then I don't know what happened to that marriage. He must have still been married to her, maybe not. I don't know how many times he's been married, but then he photoshopped divorce documents to marry Model and reality TV star Camorrily Simmons in 2014 and When I looked up her Wikipedia, it says that she has a son with him But it doesn't say they were married because I don't think it was legal. I think she thought it was But in 2014 it was her last reality show was 2013 So she probably was like I have no more TV shows in my future

Oh my god this guy's smart. He's a business band. I'm done dealing with rappers and actors I'm just gonna have a nice Goldman Sachs just Salt to the earth business man financial guy only to find out that this guy is the worst okay so he only to find out that this guy is the worst, okay? So he, so this admission about taking this with women was after this guy Tim Leicester testified against Roger N.G. Goldman's former head of investment baking in Malaysia who allegedly led a corruption scheme. Earlier this week Le Lester also admitted to having a decadent long affair with a former client, Rohana Rossin, and then Rossin, the CEO of Method Broadcasting and

former CEO of Astro, Malaysia buildings, allegedly then blackmailed him Lester to buy her a $10 million home. So he lied to women, to marry other women, then he's on trial for stealing all this money. And at the same time, he was also being blackmailed by another woman and having to buy her a ten million dollar house. So, I mean this guy, I mean, why is there, there should be a Netflix doc being made about him? And he should, I don't think people would want to came. You know, we're gonna, you know, a nightclub. But I'm just saying he's right there.

Like this story, I'm still so confused. I was like, how have I not heard about this? It's just, but it goes from US to China. Like it's everywhere. And this guy was just a full of shit person. I'm just imagining like, come being like yes. You know him up at four for the stock market and it was just all bull shit. Yes. Okay Amanda Binds. You remember Amanda Binds? She was a child actor, she did all these fun movies when she was a teenager. Then she kind of struggled where she was wearing the blue wigs and people were concerned and

then she didn't want to be near her parents and she was going to go to fashion school. Anyway, she has been in a conservative ship that her parents, I think her mother does. And she believes her condition has improved. And her lawyer tells people that she is filing to enter conservative ship, which I think she'll probably succeed in. I really think Brittany helped with all of that. And I think people are really looking at this in a much different way. Brittany is having the time of her life. She's with her fiance, Sam.

They are in Hawaii. And she is dancing around in a little red dress. And just when I was like, you know what girl? You really, you're onto some new stuff. No, she packed the brown pumps. I have noticed that there are several versions of the brown sensible pump. This one is a lighter with more of a pointed toe.

The one that I kind of feel like is sort of her dancing shoe is a like more of a mini-mouse like rounded toe and it's a darker brown. Anyway, one of the things I noticed, someone else noticed, is that there was some woman that is filming her. And so, and then she was in what looks to be like a beautiful pool in Hawaii.

And it's just Sam's back and it's Sam's post, her fiance, and she's like hugging know hugging kissing him and I'm like now is that same woman have to get in the pool and film that I mean just imagine you're just the person that's like what do you do oh I just go on trips with rich people and just take their Instagram for them you know maybe sometimes I ordered some food or ask if we're gonna have more towels I mean I don't know how busy is the day for someone like that. But, I'm sure she's got a couple bodyguards and whatever, and everybody knows that it's to work an iPhone. So, that way we can be entertained. This was an awful story, Shanna Mokler, who is Travis

Partner Barker's ex-wife, who was on, I don't know, do we know who won? Big brother? Is it over with who won? Oh the girl I didn't know who was. Misha won. She's like a W. What is she? Oh a fighter, not a basketball player. Okay. Anyway, whatever. She won. Okay, but I woke up to this awful thing that someone sent me and it was her Instagram. So I don't know if this boyfriend that she had logged into it or took her phone or what, but it was like 720 in the morning and he's walking around filming himself and filming the house across the street from them saying that Shana is an awful person using the most disgusting derogatory words to describe her that don't even want to repeat He's pointing the camera at this house across the street And he's like this guy is married with a wife and this is where she spent the night and first what I watched it

I was like wait a minute did you spend the night there because she was fighting with you And this is the neighbor that she's friendly with and she's just like I have to get away from this freak or she was fighting with you and this is the neighbor that she's friendly with and she's just like I have to get away from this freak or He kind of was making it sound like she's having an affair with the guy across the street anyway she got arrested and this this person Sharon Tharp

she I guess Got the the police report. So this is pretty awful, but according to the police report, the suspect, the guy Matthew, had grabbed the victim, Shanna, by the hair, swung her by the hair on the ground, the suspect grabbed victim's face, and neck through chair at victim, and urinated on victim leaving visible injuries.

She got a protective and emergency protective order against him and it's valid through March 3rd and then she can go to court and hopefully file one that's of a longer time frame. Then he like posted, had somebody else post something about some niece that's his birth, that was her birth, they did you see that? That was that girl's face that he was like, oh I can't even wish my niece a birthday. Like he's trying to act like a victim. I don't know when they started to date or what. He also said on the video, oh she's not over his Travis, I've never been so disrespected

and humiliated in my whole life. She thinks I'm not successful. I have more money than she. I don't know how long I'm in dating. What happened with this guy? Why he freaked out, took her phone, acted like this. Again, this is just what I got from Twitter that someone's apparently, oh, I guess they got it

from us magazine. It's really horrible and hopefully she's safe. But my god, I guess she had just gotten home from doing big brother to high boy friend. And this is what you get, shit, awful. Speaking of new girlfriends, Kanye West has a new girlfriend. Her name's Cheney Jones.

And people didn't know how they met. Guess how they met. Well, she's slid into his DMs. How else? She looks a lot like him, but so do a lot of people these days. She's Tan. She has a nice curvy body. Pretty enhanced lips. She wears the big sunglasses. Another photo of hers. She got the long black hair. With those big sunglasses, another photo of hers got the long black hair. With those big sunglasses, I mean, she really does look like him. But even without like her, but even without the glasses, she looks like her. I don't know how serious it is. She's 20 years younger than Kanye. Meanwhile, Kanye is fighting the divorce. Kim has written 155 page response to why they should grant her divorce because

pleading with with the judge or whoever please grant the divorce by me being single It's a good sign to Kanye to move on with this life. It's good for our family that we have some finality to this He's now saying I don't want any of my social media posts that I've done to be used in court against me in this divorce, because I don't even, there's no proof to say that I actually wrote those. But then Annie reminding me about, meanwhile, he did all this post where he held up the yellow legal pad, just maybe was when it comes

yellow legal pads for when she was studying, and said, I'm not hacked, this is me, I'm saying all this stuff. I don't know, I just really hope that he can just leave her alone and let her like live her life. Apparently she gave Pete Davidson a big cakey before he went on stage on Saturday and do Saturday live. Just let them have fun and watch them on Hulu. Okay, listen, Nauwela on Real House was mostly,

I just came across, she just did a post and she is talking and she says as a black woman I would like my legacy to be that my great great grandbabies will be comfortable knowing that I fought for their joy and their sexuality and their gender identity and being strong women, that will be my legacy. And I'm like, I'm sorry, you're on Real House 5 of OC in which you told everybody that you gave your husband, who's a personal injury attorney, sweet James, a stack of a genus for his birthday, which was you and two other girls, who knows who they are, where you found them,

what they identified as sexually, what their job was, why they were there. Do you think the grand babies will be like, my great, great,mother started a great expression that is stock of ginas and it's just really empowering. I'm really, anyway, just, I can't with these people. Speaking of a housewife that's doing

some really wonderful things, Bethany Frankl, charity, be strong where she really comes in and has done so much for just disaster relief. She has got over $10 million already sent helping the refugees in the Ukraine. And I think she makes it really easy to donate and be part of it. So, you know, rarely do we talk about, you know, that's actually she can actually say my grandbabies will be saying this, which is better than a stack of a gin as a stack of cash helping people that need it. And now I'm very excited to talk about all the latest scoop. We had a reunion of Real House

says assault like City last night and I'm talking to Margaret Josephs who just as so tells it like it is who's on the Real House as a New Jersey and we cover it all but also even if you don't watch the shows you will really enjoy this interview because we just kind of get into what it is about you know exposing your life on these shows, dealing with marital problems, affairs, that is all very relatable to everybody. So right now, everybody, please join, return Juicy Scooper Margaret Josephs. So I am so excited I'm talking to return Juicy Scooper,

fabulous New Jersey housewife, Margaret Josephs, How are you? Oh my God Heather, I'm so happy to be back here on with Juicy Scoop with you. I mean, I missed you and I'm glad you're feeling well, so I'm just so happy to be back. Well, yes, thank you. And you just did Wendy Williams. Yes, I did Wendy Williams this morning with Michael Rappaport. It was a lot of fun.

And I'm just, and the way to make the day, being the afternoon with you. Yes. Well, Margaret, it's a very juicy season of New Jersey. Thanks in part to you. And I'm going to catch people up to speed. How would you check? Why don't you get everyone up to speed in case they're not, they're not watching people still enjoy the show because we get into really what makes

all these stories happen because it is revealed on the show that many years back, Jennifer, who's married to a plastic surgeon who has five children, her husband had an affair. Yes. I mean, and listen, this is something that I had known that he had an affair. You know, the timeline is questionable, what she says, but that I could care less, because I met my husband by having an affair, which I was very honest about. She calls it boasting, I call it just telling the truth. I had said it because, of course, if you go on a reality show Heather,

you know better than anybody, everything comes out. There are no secrets. So I knew prior to her getting on the show about Bill and his coworker, but I was like, all right, fine. You know, her and I might get along, maybe she'll say something about me,

true to her, she'll be honest about it. But no, she'd the loudest voice in the room to test eyes me, all the craziness. So I always held it in, but last year was too much. When I revealed about my sexual harassment, and she was like, you know, you slept away at the top, all these things negating everything that happened to me, making it out like victim shaming,

I was like, you know what, this projection has gone too far. I gave her opportunity to apologize. She didn't. So it was just like the hypocrisy was way too rampant for me. And I was just like, your family doesn't have the cleanest backyard. Shut your mouth. Kind of thing. Right.

And then we look back at the, the first season, I think that she was on. And you guys went to Leblanc and Cabo, which I've been to. I love that place. And you're sitting out there and you guys went to LeBlanc in Cabo, which I've been to and I love that place. And you're sitting out there and you just throw something out and you say, Oh, please, your husband sleeps in the pool house or something, which is her furious limit. And later on, you're like, I just said that to whatever, get your goat. But in retrospect, was it because you knew of this information

and figures you might be sleeping in the pool house because your marriage is not the most perfect thing? Of course, I did it to say something obnoxious because she was saying so many rude things and your mother's this, all these horrible things. So I also mentioned about the girlfriend. I said, well, that's whatever his girlfriend says. And I said, hit an herb. I said, well, you know, that's whatever his girlfriend says. And I said, hit an herb, you know, I said it like that.

And she had unraveled. I felt bad. She was a first season house. So it obviously upset her. I didn't want to cut her to the core. And I was like, you know what? I'm not going to hit it home. And that was it.

And I thought maybe, you know, her behavior would change towards me, but it clearly did not. No. And then last season we saw your book came out, which was really great. And yes, right from the start, when we first saw you join the cast, you were very honest about the fact that you were married all these years, not happy. Your contractor came in, Joe, and you guys fell in love. Yes. director came in, Joe, and you guys fell in love.

You did. Have an affair. And eventually you got divorced. You're able to save a very nice relationship and friendship with your ex-husband of all these years, who you have a son with. And, you know, that is what you know, you probably knew. This is my story. It's a juicy story.

I've never hit it for anybody in the neighborhood. I'm not going to hide it from the producers,. I'm not going to hide it from the producers And I'm not going to hide it from the viewers and I just thought that was, you know, interesting because look yes, affairs are not good But it is true that some people you know meet their second spouse Right while there was someone else and they do Last forever. I mean it does happen. It's like, yeah. And listen, I'm not saying people don't get hurt. No one's a cheerleader for affairs. Right. But you have to be honest, that's the way things happen. And going

on the show, I was not going to like pretend that's not what happened. You know, right? And so many, I look like an idiot. And so many times when people, when that does happen. And it's even happened with my, you know, a friend of mine who's husband cheated on her and you know, they were trying to, and she was trying to protect him and the children by never revealing that, you know, because the kids were little,

that this was going on before they got divorced. And eventually, you know, now the kids are old and they've kind of figured it out and whatever. But it's like, sometimes when that happens, people try to say, no, you know, we were separated or we were just good buddies. And then when I filed for divorce, then one night, and it's like, you didn't want to, you didn't want to create whatever, some different scenario.

And I really thought that was great. And what happened in the show for people that need to be reminded is, yeah, she would just constantly go after that and go after your story, your honest story of being in the fashion industry and having a sexual harassing boss and how you reacted to it and what happened and just being completely honest about it, which

I thought was so refreshing because we always hear, we don't always hear, but we hear all these different kind of me two stories. And I've always said, there's got to be people like with a Harvey Weinstein throughout his years that did it and didn't say anything about it and maybe got a part or whatever and know he's a pig and wish they didn't have to go that route but probably did, you know, because not every single person that he went after probably did, you know, because not every single person that he went after, you know, rejected him or considered it rape. Otherwise, he wouldn't have kept doing it. So there's some people

that I agree with. And that's what it was. And I was a very young man that were 20 something plus years older than me. And in the Garmin Center, I mean, this was going on. It was rampant. So I wasn't looking to even name the person or anything like that. I was just saying, this was going on, it was rampant. So I wasn't looking to even name the person or anything like that. I was just saying, this was the experience I had to flip it like, to sledge him in this, that just every of her hurt was projected on me. And she has to have some self-awareness

that you can't do this. My life didn't affect her. And that's just so crazy. Like when I said, I don't like your drinking, my mother drank. I know where it stems from. I was honest about it. Don't drink.

It's not attractive. I grew up with a mother that drank. She could have, she never said, she made out like her life was picture perfect. No, and I actually thought you being someone who doesn't drink that one incident where she got so wasted at whatever the pool party was. To Reese's.

And through up in her husband's car, everyone had to babysit her. I felt your concern as a genuine friend, a woman worker, even on the same show being like, slow it down. Like this doesn't look good. It's not funny. It's not cute. And I thought you were being like a good friend to her in that moment.

I was. And it was again flipped on me. So any time I showed any concern for her or any warmth towards her, it was always flipped on me. So I think at this point, I was just like, you know what? This is such nonsense.

You have such a fake facade of happiness. And you're really just trying to cover it because the truth is no one drinks like that. No one behaves like that who's truly happy in their place in life. And when she was being insensitive and cruel and pointing the finger on the fact that you were honest about your life in the fashion industry and the situation with your former boss. Was it just killing you inside at that moment to be like really, you know, really, who else has had an office affair? I passed it.

Are you kidding me? Like how did you keep it in? Yeah. No, I passed a comment last year's reunion. It just didn't make it in. Oh, they cut it out. I said something. And it wasn't to her, you know, just like stop, you know,

like every, you got to stop. And it just, but nothing seems to humble her because I really, I was thinking we're in a better place. I was hoping we're in a better place. You know, we do make up. It's just like, because we are two women and we do come from different perspectives and I can understand her

and her projection. I still, she pretended to know she understands her part, but she really doesn't and I think her social media is proof of that. I've tried to keep it very clean, a lot of people, but she's playing very much, you've tried to hurt my children and all that. And you know, that I'm like, Kruwela, Deville and I eat puppies and babies for dinner, which is obviously not the case.

I'm a mother, I'm very protective, protective enough that I don't name my children, don't have my children on the show, and do none of the above. You know, and keep them very private. And, you know, one thing I do think that she said that was kind of interesting in one of her confessionals last week as she said, you know, maybe I did lash out at Margaret last year because I was so, like, because the affair that was, that, you know, I had accepted and we'd gotten past was obviously still upsetting and by seeing her, something, I don't know, I don't and we'd gotten past was obviously still upsetting and by seeing her

something. I don't know. I don't even know if that's true. If she really feels that way, but I thought it was a good, I thought it made her look good. Yeah, me too. Yeah, listen, I agree. And I think, you know, some self-actualization is healthy. I can understand that she was projecting, and maybe that she realizes that now, but listen, any relationship, right? Heather, any marriage, if there is anything, you have to go to therapy. You can't just bury that pretend it never happened. And if she thinks that children aren't perceptive

with the mood and the tone of the home that there's some undercurrent, there is an undercurrent. When one partner pretends something never happened, there's an undercurrent. And that's what's going on. And I also just think like, if I was on the housewives or you know, so many of the housewives have like, you know, shady business stuff or, yes, yes, yes. You know, suit or whatever.

If that was in my past or if I was currently maybe going through it have shady business stuff or be a suit or whatever. That was in my past, or if I was currently maybe going through it or trying to figure it out with my accountant, like the last thing I would do at a dinner party is be like, how's that IRS situation going for you? Exactly. That's the last thing I would do. I would avoid it.

I'd walk out of the room when the conversation started. I would be like, I don't want to say the wrong thing. I don't want to draw attention to myself. I don't want to act righteous. And so that's what I found was so crazy. Like of all the things for her to latch on, that would be the last thing if I was in her position. Yes. Listen, I'm always empathetic to other people who've had law, business lawsuits. I've had tons of business lawsuits. And you know, most, and it's both my licensees or whatever it is. So I know the way things could go down the pipe.

That's why I was empathetic to Teresa. You know, the law isn't always justice. And so I always do, you know, understand both sides. So I don't, I try never to talk about anybody's legal issues or anything like that because I've had legal issues. I know when to keep my mouth shut. And that's why I don't understand why someone like her would just be so aggressive towards

me continually. Yes. And then what was the deal with the mean tweet that she sent? I guess it was right after the reunion. So everyone was not, you know, feeling for each other. And she kind of went off after Melissa and her Joe and saying they're crooks. And I don't really, they keep flushing that. But I don't really understand what that was about.

It was very much at the reunion. She was trying to triangulate relationships, claiming that I had said, my husband's a plumber, I know Joe Gorgas and Pais Bills, that conversation clearly never happened. I said, my husband's a plumber and works with Joe Gorgas, he works with them all the time. He wouldn't work with someone who doesn't pay his bills. So those words would never come out of my mouth and I would never be someone

who's confiding clearly in Jennifer. So she was trying to triangulate relationships, trying to say, I talk about Melissa, I talk about this, there's a snake in the room. So Jackie, myself, Melissa, even, we all realized, this is a woman who wants to get in between relationships. So Melissa was so, after she watched the reunion, she was like, wow, this person is so,

Harboss, when Melissa posted the picture of the reunion, she didn't put Jennifer in her photo. So she just said someone was missing. Nothing vicious or just and she didn't put Jennifer in her photo. So she just said someone was missing. Nothing vicious or just like she didn't put her in it. This obviously got Jennifer very upset. So she just takes everything to the next level. Then she called the Gorgas Crooks in her message, your crooked family, your Crooks, that I was a snake,

just every vial thing. But to call them Crooks, you know, vial thing. But to, but to call them crooks, you know, just takes it once and further. All right, you're, you know, you're not in a picture. Big deal. Yeah. It's like that's hurting someone's business. She called them crooks and it just escalated from there. And that's, we were just, I was like, wow, you,

you really know no boundaries. You know, it's not acceptable. Yeah. I mean, you know, and I, and I see that then she's, you know, connecting and then, you know, with Teresa, which it's like, you know, I get all that like that. It has to be that way. So then we get, so then, but before we move on to that, I want to talk about in general, because you don't drink. I have noticed that with a lot of the house, I especially O.C. and New Jersey, so much of it is like the evening begins, let's all do shots. Let's all do shots. Let's

all do shots. And I recently said on my show, like, I love to drink. Okay. I have a good time. No, I don't think I've had a girlfriend or anyone go, let's do shots unless like a juicy scoop fan is trying to buy me one at a bar or something, but I never started evening out with shots. Like at our age, it's about like, let's have a great martini or a glass of wine. And I just, is that because some housewives and stuff are like not great unless they've got a buzz on.

I think they can't bring it. I'll say. I think when the men are around, it's more about the shots. Okay. When we're, it's just the ladies, there's no shots involved. All right. So I think on our show. Yes.

Maybe other shows, Jersey drinks the least. I will say that. Compared to any. Yeah. O.C. seems. I think O.C. drinks the most. Yeah. I, you know what? I'm not sure of drinks the least. I will say that. Compared to and yeah, I think OC drinks the most. Yeah, I, you know, what? I'm not sure of drinks, but I'm saying sometimes people probably need to feel loose and open up their personality. Jersey, um, truthfully does drink the least and the men always want to do

shots. And I think when the women around, they're like, all right, we'll all do shots. But the ladies really, you know, have cocktails and they never pressure me to drink, which is nice. I mean, listen, Teresa's told me I got to loosen up, have a drink and crazy stuff like that. I was like, I don't need to drink to be loose. I'm naturally obviously crazy enough. If I had a drink, I'd just fall asleep and get ahead of it. Yeah. But I do feel some of them need their, I understand, liquid courage for sure. Right. So Teresa and Louis, her new fiance. But at this point in the episodes we're watching,

they are, they're not engaged yet, right? No, she's calling her boyfriend. And you know, very happy that, you know, she's very happy to be in love again after what you, you know, went through with husband number one, Jo, Jo, you guys. But so over the summer is when on my birthday weekend is when just like you girls got wind of this video that I guess he did at like a kind of like a weekend boot camp man up there it seemed very like Christian alpha male you know savior marriage type of thing

and he's doing a video with all these guys behind him yes and he's proclaiming his love to a woman that obviously he's looking back and maybe didn't wasn't the greatest partner to he says I want to marry you I want to make our family be together. And I assume he sent it to her. They are no longer together because he's a treacherous. And somehow she gave it to someone who then put it on these blogs and of course everyone picked us. That's what that's what happened. Yes. And so so so you get it just like the rest of us. Yeah, see, I saw it literally on Instagram. That's where I saw it.

Not in a D.M. Nothing like that on Instagram, like the rest of the world saw it. Yes, that's how I saw it. And I mean, I just thought it was hilarious. I did a parody and you used to. You did the best parody of it ever. I was great. Because I happened to be on a weekend with my girlfriends.

And I'm like, if we, if I went to a woman in power and meant how to be a better wife, like what would be yelling at me? Did what? Give better blow jobs. Don't be a pillow princess. You know, learn to cook something other than a chicken breast. Like get your shit together. You don't need any more black shoes.

Like keep going. And I was just kind of funny. And I thought it was funny and weird. But then I also see now the other side of not being so critical of it. Because she, I think Theresa was like on Mottraven's live and she's like, or someone said, like, look, you know, he tried to go to this weekend thing. He tried to save a relationship. And that's his past.

And whether you think that's a creepy thing to do, I mean, my husband would never, ever go to like a Christian boot camp thing. But there was a time when I would like be kind of jealous that they existed and that he would have no desire to do that. Like he'll go golfing with friends, but he doesn't know he preached it. I felt two ways. First of all, I can see the private moment. Yeah. And I felt bad that it was released.

But then the other thing is me. I was like, all right, maybe I'm being critical, it's a therapy thing. I'm all about therapy. I love to go to therapy more than anybody. I'm all about it. Right. But then when I looked up what it was, this warrior camp.

And you read about it. And the founder did a beautiful article in the post in 2017. And it's very toxic masculinity. He can't like, you know, men need to get out their primal urges or they're going to beat their women. Um, really? Yes, that's what the article said. So of course, I was like, he had some explaining to do because that I don't feel is very

therapeutic. I don't feel men have a primal behavior that they're going to be there. I just don't feel that way. You know, I don't feel like my husband. I don't feel men have a primal behavior that they're going to be there. I just don't feel that way. I don't feel like my husband Joe has an urge to beat me so to take out his frustrations used to go there or anything like that. That's in the founder's words himself.

Not, I didn't make this up, this is out there. So that's the only reason I thought it was very odd. I'm all about therapy and everything else. So I was like, just let this guy explain it. Every, you know, it was all out there over the internet. If it wasn't out there, I would have never said it. You know, the fans want to know, we would look like idiots if we didn't talk about it. And, you know, and and and and and by the way, he does explain it. When is it going to go ahead? When is this going to air tomorrow? Okay, after the episode or before the episode? Well, in the afternoon, yeah. Okay. So everybody

gets to see him explain. Okay. It does explain it. Yes. He explains it. We see a preview. We see a preview, which will now air tonight. You guys sitting on the fire pit. Yes. It's very controversial. It's not controversial, but you know, what happens in the video is not exactly what the explanation is. I'm just gonna leave it at that. And you guys could judge for yourself. And I feel like maybe he's not confident and doesn't exactly feel comfortable to say what happens or whatever it is.

And I don't think he's not doing himself any favors. I think it could have been put to bed if he would have said, I went there, I proposed to this this woman the relationship didn't work out You know, maybe I wasn't the best then but I'm working on myself. He would have sounded like a superstar and And then and that call be what it was, you know, it is it is a hard place for someone like him to Navigate because you know she keeps saying he didn't sign up for it But he did if you're to marry a housewife, a senator, you know, chief of police, whatever, there's going to be some element of your own life that is going to be examined and criticized and that you have to be careful

of. However, in his defense, yes, there are a million women, weekend, boot camp, from Tony Robbins to Teddy Melling Camp to get you shit together to goop and push and all this stuff. And we all might have gone to one of those things. I mean, if someone got a video of me at my senior Catholic retreat, which I would have loved to I would love to see that. That could look creepy and weird now.

Like, I don't know. So, yes, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm just not into like beating the crap out of each other, throwing people overboard, line folding you, you know, and at the end, they all beat the crap out of each other, beat the shit out of each other, beat the shit out of each other. You know, they kind of address this in the series,

you, did you ever see you on Netflix? Season three of you, you guys are going to remember this because I know my audience watch it. But the main character has a neighbor that then goes, come on this weekend with me and he kind of runs it himself and his wife is his huge social influencers. It's a scripted show, but I definitely think they got the idea

of this one particular storyline from the fact that it actually exists. No, it does actually exist. So I just said, you know, that's how bad you have to feel to go to something like this where you have to get beat up and all this stuff. That was it, you know, because it was out there. Right.

I actually felt bad for him. I truthfully, I actually felt bad for him. I was like, just explain it away so it doesn't have to like be lingering. Yes. And one thing what we always love in a reality show, especially Housewives, is when we see the producer and they break the fourth wall. I love it. I love it too. is when we see the producer and they break the fourth wall. I love it. I love it too.

So Teresa realizes that this shit's going down and he calls her up, Louis, and he's like, I don't know if I want to be there. Like he's nervous about coming and being on camera, which you guys do such a great job in us, like just zooming in on your life. But then we also have to realize that there are cameras around in life.

There is someone putting on a mic pack and like, oh, sorry, this is going to be cold and all this other weird stuff. And, you know, so he's like, yeah, I'm kind of nervous. And so she turns off her mic and then we see the producer come and be like, but really, we want him to come so that he can like explain it. And of course, they know this is, this is, I mean, as a viewer, this is the kind of stuff we love because it's happening in real time We all remember it happening. We all remember calling each other and being obsessed with it And you guys are actually filming it So it's like of course we want to see it, but you know

Again, I feel like you know, I always feel for a housewife that's Famous and falling in love with someone and they know that as great as this life has brought Teresa with her cookbooks and her fame and her daughters you know being famous and I know that she loves doing this show. I felt for her like you know struggling like oh fuck you know I don't want him to get scared and run away because I really do love this person. No, I agree with you. And I think that was a very hard moment.

But I'm just like, I don't think he could have just come. I just think it's just like, be honest. It's much easier as painful as it is. If she didn't pretend the whole time, everything's okay. Everything's okay. You dig deeper and deeper. If you just get everything out in the open, he knew what he signed up for.

He signed the release. He poses for the paparazzi. He has a public Instagram. Unfortunately, reality shows you gotta take the good with the bad. Yeah, that's true. And then, so we see Dolores, who just is getting prettier every day.

Yeah, I know, I know. She's just like just for kids and actual beauty. And natural beauty with thinking out a little help. But her, her, her, her. Her little help is so good. It's so really, it really works on her. Her face is like stunning. Like her bone structure is to die. Her body looks great.

But I'm just saying her face, you can't look that good if you didn't have it to start out with. Yes. And so she's with Dr. David or whatever, it's David, right? That was her ex. Yeah, they, yeah, they're ex. They broke up. So this is all over and there was controversy.

Was this, is the girl that the doctor is currently dating, or do you know, at at one time did she also date Teresa's Louis? You know, I heard that it's true. Her name is Vanessa. She's a life coach. I have seen her photographs with his other ex-Vionsa Vanessa. They have worked together. I mean all his exes have teamed up together so I don't know why she would have been with the ex. She says it's really not the case. They knew each other that Louis pursued her. They didn't date. So I don't know. I really don't know the real truth. But they do know each other. They're connected, but I don't

know the real story. Well, I mean, that's pretty juicy, but yes, yes, you know, I guess New Jersey is not that big of a place. I mean, it's like a little, it's a tiny little post. I don't understand,

you know, the working. It's the Bergen County area. So the season is off to a great start. We have a lot of episodes left. And so, So the season is off to a great start. We have a lot of episodes left. And so, you know, it's I'm enjoying it. Do we do we get to see the

guys go on their comedy tour on the show? Did the cameras ever follow them to that? You know, I think it's only in flashbacks. They follow them, but it's only like in flashbacks. Really? Okay. And all right. So let's talk about real house as a Salt Lake City. They had a reunion last night. What do you like this franchise? Do you watch it religiously? I love the franchise. I think it's a great franchise. I mean, they had a lot

going on. Yeah. And the, I mean, the only thing I didn't like about the reunion was the dresses, but that's a given. But it was just, I felt bad Mary wasn't there. I really wish she would have been there because I felt like they needed her. Well, yeah, I mean, well, she chose not to be there. And as I know, and that should be a lesson to other housewives, not only do I think you miss out on a big paycheck and kind of piss off the whole Bravo world, but also then you don out on a big paycheck and kind of piss off the whole bravo world. But also then you don't have a chance to defend yourself because on last night's episode, I mean, there's just, there was just, there's so much darkness that's happening. I mean,

so there's one girl, Jen, who's looking at, you know, I mean, they say maximum. So maximum 30 years in prison, that could be three. Who knows what it ends up with being. But she has her whole thing and she got arrested, basically got arrested while they were filming. Then we have the new girl Jenny, who has since been fired from the show. Since been fired. And then she was calling Mary of racist.

And then meanwhile, she got fired for racist tweets. Yes. And one thing I said that I thought was interesting because I've said it on my show is I brought up the fact that she grew up in Long Beach, California. And I said, I think that that unfortunately, Jenny and Mary are racist to each other. And I think it's partially probably because they're women of a certain age that were raised.

She, like she says, oh, you know, I was raised in Long Beach and it's so diverse, but unfortunately, sometimes the most diverse situations can breed like really mean racism as well as places that are all, you know, homogeneous. Yeah, homogenous, I'm not serious. Yeah, so it's like, so she kind of says all of that and it just like, oh, I think that part was just,

I, you know, the whole thing was just really unfortunate and it's uncomfortable, it's very uncomfortable. And I feel, you know, there were things about Jenny that I liked and then there were things that I was like oh good riddance like and she throws this glass at Mary I see that I think that was awful yeah I was walking away it was like at her back I was like what do you do it yeah and I really thought you know what even if you weren't fired to me that feels like a reason to start fire. Like, it felt so desperate to get a second season.

Let's be dramatic. Maybe she really is that violent, but if you really are, do we really want this? I mean, I don't know. I know it's hard because New Jersey became famous for flipping a table. That was the first time we ever really saw that kind of physicality. And then there were other physical moments throughout the stuff. And I guess we kind of like it. We like to see the anger. But then the more we watch it, sometimes you're just like, okay, is this real? Or this person like plan this out?

Yeah, it looked, she was like, I think that looked a little planned out. Yeah. I just want to also say, Jen, shock, calm, very calm. Cool as a cucumber. So I mean, I mean, I think want to also say Gen-Shock, come, very calm cool is the cucumber, so I mean Cons I mean I think I'd be crap in a brick. I'd be having a breakdown If you were looking at that kind of time. Yeah, I don't think I could do another season I would just be like praying I'd be in church. I'd be with my attorneys. I would just I don't think I could do I don't know but I mean I know

Maybe that but that maybe the hat is why she's in this predicament because she does think she's untouchable and She does think she's shimazing and she does think that she does nothing wrong and I think that You know take away You know these possible, you know these criminal charges that she has to fight. She was kind of like more likable. This I hated her last year. I agree, she is more likable. She's a little more likable.

She's had like some funny moments. She can be kind of charming. And but I mean, everything I've read on it, she's, it's not looking great. I mean every single person has done a plea deal under her and admitted to doing wrongdoing. So I don't see how she's gonna get out of it. I know what.

I'm just like, oh good, you know, it's just, I feel like. But then I think like if you think that you're gonna go to jail, why not be shamazing and have some fun? Like why not make as much money as you can make? That's true too. It's just like live your best life till you go.

I got, yeah, absolutely right. I mean listen, these women, I gotta get them correct. They've stuck by her. Yeah. They've stuck by her. This is like, you know, a group that you want in your sink and ship. I mean, truthfully. I mean, and then part of it is like, you know, a group that you want in your sink and ship. I mean, true, truthfully.

I mean, and then part of it is like, okay, she's here, you know, it hasn't, it hasn't been convicted. I mean, people were, you know, really harsh on Erica. And that was really the whole. And that was her husband, not even her. Right. And that's, that's what some other people were saying. Like, don't think it's weird that somebody had written to me, like, I was like, so anti-Araka Jane, so disgusted and everything. But I think it's because as the viewer,

Erika was so unapologetic, so like, I don't know. And then with Jen, she's just like, and what we've seen, she hasn't tried to defend herself. She's just like, yeah, I don't know what this is all about, but we're fighting it. And that's it. And the cast members don't have the information like the Beverly Hills castmates did, being in Los Angeles, the LA Times article, the number of lawsuits that were going on with Tom Gerardi.

So they could really arm themselves with some like easy information to kind of ask her about and discuss. And to this day, I still don't really understand the Jen crime and the Jen crime is not as juicy as the Tom Girardi history. And so it's like, I think we just want to sit back and I'll just wear your weird outfit and your feathers and dance around and still flakes.

I don't know. I know. I know exactly what you're saying. But I was just like Joe and I were just like mesmerized by the whole like herkiness and that light heartedness and she looks better than ever where poor Eric and Jane looked like she was through the ringer by the time her reunion came. You could see it wore on. Yes.

She looked her off. And she looks like a million bucks. That means she never looked better. Her skin smooth. She looks youthful. I mean, I was like, wow. I know what as weird as the outfit was. I'm like that purple eyeshadow looks really pretty. Yes. We see these ridiculous feathers.

But I mean, let's just talk about the outfits for a minute. I mean, I felt like it was put together by a children's craft store. All of them. I just don I felt like it was put together by a children's craft store, all of them. I just don't know what anybody was thinking because these are attractive women. I don't, yes, I don't understand the excessive feathers. I mean, listen, Jersey's not always known for the best style. So I'm not going to act like, you know, we're so above, you know, that we have the epitome of good taste. I mean, some of us do. But also, I think this hit an all time low. But also, they always give you like a theme, like, so I assume your theme was like jewel tones or whatever. I know,

but jewel tones, where was jewel tones mixed with Big Bird? I don't get it. You know what I mean? I think they both would feathers feathers but didn't like consult with each other. Each thought they were going to be the only one with feathers. Meredith and what do you think of Lisa Barlow and like why everyone goes after Lisa Barlow because again as a viewer I'm very confused why everyone thinks that Lisa Barlow is like the worst person on earth like the other cast members. I don't know why they think that I think that my moment really sealed her fate a little bit because her and Meredith were good friends and then supposedly good friends. I feel like maybe they're not such good friends because you really wouldn't say such a thing like that if that was your good friend.

No, it was really weird and I guess. And I think and I think when Lisa Barlow, like what tipped Lisa Barlow over the edge, I still don't understand what tipped her to a place. Yeah, I don't I don't get into that rant. Like that's where I think that there's so much going behind the scenes whether Lisa Barlow is someone that's kind of manipulating it to get good scenes or what and how she would bring up the fact that like, oh, but Meredith, you got a detective to or a private investigator to go after Jen and then she had to clarify. So I guess that they felt like her hands were dirty and all this stuff, but I mean, but then in the end, you look back at the season and you're like well if it wasn't for Lisa Barlow like I don't know that we'd have a that the show would have kept my interest

in glory. No I think Lisa Barlow is a beautiful great housewife. I mean she's getting it from every angle. Right. You know everyone's ganging up on her for sure. They're all very upset with her. And that's why I find so interesting because we have someone on the cast who literally is, you know,

possibly committed a very horrific crime, you know, innocent, a terrible guilty. But I mean, that should be, but then we're, you know, someone who really, you know, it's all about her. Yeah. Well, I mean, the Mary was so bizarre, but the bizarreness added to the show, but I'm not

necessarily sad to see her go, because I was very into exploring that church. I know you did a drive by, you were in front of it. I saw you. It was very bizarre, which I said when I faded on stage, I'm like, I kind of, I came for Mary, and Mary may have sent Jesus to me. Yeah, I think that's what happened. Yeah. Maybe a little bit on the head. Yeah, but I mean, that, I mean, come on, when those producers met Mary with her, you know, all her design of clothes and being up ahead of this weird church, they must have just been like,

I cannot, like I just imagine the person that found her and then brought it to the bosses and it's like, I think we have a really great housewife, she has her own church. I would be like, oh my god, this is like crazy. But then the only thing about this bizarre cast is like Is it that sustainable, you know like because I don't feel like there was a cohesiveness like when the start of New Jersey started it It began with women who really knew each other were Sisters and sisters and laws and and it just like oh my god This is so great and then it always built and with each person that left another woman would come in that had like a real connection Or create could create a real connection and that with this group I feel like it's very discombobulated like nobody was really that

besties when it started it seems like except maybe Meredith and Lisa I don't even think they were really back I don't know why exactly is going on there but listen Heather and Whitney are cousins they seem very bonded but then I don't know if the cousins going on there, but listen, Heather and Whitney are cousins. They seem very bonded. But then I don't know if the cousins, it's like they figured out they're cousins because they were like friendly on the show and then they like did a church. Oh, did it touch?

Is that what it was? Yeah, it wasn't like they were growing up as cousins. They didn't hang out, they didn't hang out. No, no, but now they're close. Yeah, they're close. So they're good. But I just don't understand, like I didn't understand the Meredith who is like obsessed with Mary because they're close. Yeah, they're close. So they're good. But I just don't understand, like I didn't understand the Meredith

who is like obsessed with Mary because they're very different people. Yeah. I wanted to go ahead. I wanted to know who everybody was dating. What's gonna happen with that? Oh, the guy? Yeah.

Well, do you know who the guy is? No, do you? Yes. Supposedly rumors. He's someone that has made a couple appearances on New York's show. Yes, so who could that be? He's either side's Harry Doobin. I will send you a photo and when I send you the photo, you're going to go, oh, okay, I

can't remember him. And I don't even know that this is 100% true, but this is what the rumor is and why. And so supposedly this guy, you know, kind of dated a couple women on the New York cast and then maybe they maybe they DM'd each other met up when they were doing watch out and fly over they were in New York and so then during that time supposedly allegedly he dated both Jen and and Meredith, but Meredith always made it very clear that they were separated and they were able to see each other during that separation. Jen has never revealed that that her marriage isn't anything.

But perfect. Well, not necessarily perfect because she does say they were like fighting at one point last season, but never to the point of like, seeing other people. But there was this one moment where she was crying after she like got in a fight and she threw a glass at her husband's birthday. Then she reels to the friends.

And for that. Like, oh, Coach Shaw left for a few days and we're fighting. But so I don't know if in this reunion they're going to bring up the fact that it was revealed that where Jen went home from the Uber, where they didn't know where she went after Heather Center and Uber home, and is she dating, you know, why does she know who Jen dated and why does not Jen, sorry, why does she know who Meredith dated and why does Lisa Barlow know and who is that person but pretty much in all i don't even know if this is in the shower of our her to from like you know

the detectives of housewives but i think the story is that at one time they both got with the sky and here you know what i don't think there's a lot to choose from after a certain point of the age. I don't think, I mean, he was probably pretty dapper. They're in New York. He's acting charming and they're like, sure, why not? I don't know. I don't know.

I saw him. I don't think he's that great. But maybe you're in Salt Lake City and then you're in New York and this guy's like, meet me at a hotel and he's flirting with you and you're separated from your husband. And so maybe it did happen. All right, okay. I mean, I could see Meredith. I mean, Jen, shy.

I mean, we're running around on the coach. I mean, all right, listen, you know, whatever. And the other question is that I'm excited for Andy to ask, what is Meredith wearing a chest plate? Because the amount of people that commented, he does, he does finally ask it. I think I even tweeted it like he better ask that he does, he does, he does finally ask it. I think I've been tweeted it like he better ask that. And the other is why is no one asking if coach

Shaw knows where her income came from when everyone was questioning Erica Jay. Yes, about where her house. I'm sure he has that. I'm sure he's going to ask that. No, he is. He is going to ask. I saw that in the video. I was like, that is a chest plate. Like, what do you think is to maybe that. So I saw that in the video. But that chest played too. I was like, that is a chest plate. Like, what do you think that she maybe have laser on her chest so she wore a chest plate? It has to be something.

I don't know because the outfit that people thought that Meredith was wearing a chest plate in, her boobs look flatter than they do in other cleavage, you think. Yes, yes. So that's like, it was show bizarre, but yeah, I don't know it could have just been a weird lighting. No, no, no, no, no way, no way. But why would someone do that?

Because it did you maybe just have surgery and there were scars that they couldn't cover it with makeup or maybe it was something like that. She just had laser or I don't know, just imagining like the makeup or the stylist, you know, guy who's like, this is so great. It's called a chest plate. I used to do drag like who would have thought like, I don't know. There's always some makeup artist that like tries to talk you to something bizarre. I'm like, okay, I guess you know better than me. Like, yeah, fuck. It's exact. I don't know. But listen, she has worn some outlandish things. So it would be abnormal for her to wear chestplate. So, okay, in Salt Lake City,

we saw a very ridiculous sex scene between Whitney and her husband where she basically is just wearing a G-string with pasties on and it's just crazy. And I remember you had a bit of a sexy scene with your show that the producers were. That the producers much has talked you into. And so I kinda went deep on this last week

and I'm like, how does this work? How do you agree to kind of basically let the, you know, cameraman and stuff see naked, whether they fuzz it out or not? Like how does a scene like that come about? And do you ever have regrets when you go a little to naked or sexual on the reality show? Well, I look at it this way.

You know, with me, I always shower with Joe. That's a common occurrence. So we shower together every morning and we don't have sex in the shower. We just shower together. So they were like, do your normal morning routine. We want to get you and Joe in the shower. So I was like, all right, to me, it's not a big deal. You know, so they didn't have a lot of convincing to do for Joe and I. Joe was

more concerned. The camera guys were going to see me naked. I was like, they have, I've done a tub scene. I mean, they're used to seeing me and, you know, I'm far from the, you know, best-shaped woman on my show so they could give two crepes. So to be, you didn't care. So you were full, the Gina out tits show. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't wasn't as bad, you know, for us, because we do have shower together all the time. So for me, that was like my normal life it wasn't. So the scene that Whitney did, yes.

I, you know, I don't know if I'd feel that comfortable. It was, I mean, it's a campy, you know, they must do that all the time. I mean, I'm obviously very lazy. It's a can't be real. They must do that all the time. I mean, I'm obviously very lazy. I don't do things like that. I mean, I always have a lazy bottom. I mean, what am I gonna do? I just kind of was like, wow, you have pasties on.

I mean, she's in good shape. No, I mean, she's hot. I mean, it's cute. She's a hot girl. I sometimes think like, you know, I mean she's hot. I mean it's cute. She's a hot girl. I just sometimes think like, you know, I just... It's not as you don't think about it. You get talked into it. Just like, you always hear about models that are like,

well, I was just going to be a regular model and then the photographer said, now take off your top and hold your hands. Now just put your arms above your head and now there's nude photos of me. Like I literally think a reality show producer can talk someone into doing something at the end. It's probably like, oh you guys are such a great couple. Yeah. Oh show is like a little sexy time and you know they're into

each other. They're like, I'm fine. Who cares? You know, I'm sure it's something like that. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's like what our show we're seeing with, I was like, all right, no problem. Right. Exactly. Well, I, um, okay. And then you we're seeing was, I was like, all right, no problem. Right. Exactly. Well, I, um, okay, and then you said you're watching, you watched a little of Miami. No, I, I happen to love Miami and I have to catch up. I think they, they all, they all look amazing. They're, they're all great cast members. Um, it's really good.

It's really good. It's a very good show. Very good. And you have the beauty of Miami and it's very juicy and it's very juicy with the larsa pippin and Alexia's life is crazy and the previews of their reunion which I think start this week look really good. Yes and I'm friends with Marisol and I love Marisol so I feel like a personal connection because I text with Marisol so I do feel you know they're just they're just natural.

It's like watching a telenovela, right? It's just like, it's just, it's like a, to me, that's like a real life summer. It's just totally, I think they are always like that, just the high drama of being, you know, in Miami. And are you watching Osea at all? I'm not really watching Osea and I know Heather Dubrow got very upset with me

because I was putting a position to say, you know, the best franchise, you know, they asked me and what's not as great now. And I did say OC and everyone's like, how could you say that, Margaret? You guys think Jersey's best, that's not what I'm saying. I just said I didn't feel like the cast was jelling as much and everybody took it as a personal affront. I was like, jeez, someone asked me my opinion. Everyone, you know, comment down. You know, we're all great. We're all great franchises, but right now, that's the cast that wasn't jelling as much as everything else. Well, I will watch it till I die.

Like, I still want to be the host. Yeah, I still want, I'm not in it, but I like to be there. But yeah, I mean, there's, you know, but that's a thing like sometimes and sometimes the fans are kind of awful because it's like Sometimes there isn't that much going on. I agree Sometimes not sometimes someone's not going through divorce sometimes someone's not getting investigated by the FBI I know and then everyone's like bitchy about it. And it's like, well, and they're not professional comedians. So sometimes it's getting wasted and falling over.

Isn't that funny, either? Sometimes there has to be more. And, you know, I think all the girls are great. But yeah, like storyline wise, is it as like super intriguing in juicy and edgy your seat as Beverly Hills and New Jersey and Salt Lake? Probably not, but like, what do you still do about it? It's still a good show. I'm not saying it's not a good show. I just feel like it's a little, you know, I just felt like it was just a

little disjoint to compare to, and not because they don't have natural drama or whatever it is. I still think all the ladies are great on that show. But everybody was like, woo, I got it, everyone's like, I was like, I'm gonna comment down. You can't have an opinion, you cannot have an opinion. Listen, Kelly Doug, very upset with me.

She said I was very full of myself at BravoCon. You know why I was, she said I was full of myself because I said I have good skin because I use Irish spring soap. I mean, that's the opposite of being pretentious. I mean, I'd be pretentious if I said I use lameir. Yes. Irish spring is, I mean, it's literally 99 cents a bar. Is that really what you use?

I guess, for years I've used that. At last year I started using Eve Lomb because everyone, you know, my germ, everyone was like, you gotta stop. But I swear that's, I think why I didn't have pimples and my skin everyone, you know, my germ, everyone was like, you gotta stop. But I swear, that's I think why I didn't have pimples. And my skin looked, you know, you could say you want. I sell you light, I did get a facelift, but that doesn't fit skin.

My skin is good. I don't think that's so bad to say that I'm good skin. I mean, that's not pompous. I mean, cut me a brick. Yeah. Well, are you in Kelly okay now? I mean, I didn't even talk to her. I just felt like it's been like two years.

I think she's gone over. No, no, no, no, I didn't even talk to her. I just felt like two years. I think she's over. No, no, no, that she said she's gonna argue with me because I'm full of myself if we ever go on girls, trips, season three. I was like, fine. I was like, you know what? You know, bring your A game. You think I care?

You and little Rick, well, death. I actually think you guys would have a blast. Yes, I mean, I'd love to see you on Girls Trip 3. I mean, it would be who else? Who else do you want on Girls Trip 3? Let's cast it. Okay, I mean, I don't know. I would probably do all current housewives or whatever it is.

I don't know. I mean, because unfortunately Durand just did the one that's coming out. Right. Because I'd love to do that. But like, if it was me, it me, I would take Dolores for micro because Theresa Melissa did right, right? So it would be me and Dolores. Let me just pick something from everywhere.

Okay. Beverly Hills, I would actually take Lisa Rina. Definitely. Definitely, because you know, you want a fun person, you want someone who's gonna say crazy shit, you need it. And that's gonna ask interesting questions and stuff. That's what kind of made the Bahama girl trip really great,

is that they had those moments of like, now tell me what you were feeling during this time in your life. Like it was kind of like having breakfast like you would with girls on a girl's trip. And so I'm excited for that. I'm excited for the, yeah. I'd be like, you know, right. I would take Karen Hueger.

I would you take Karen Hueger. I would you be Karen Hueger. Atlanta, I would really take Marlow. Oh, yes. I like Marlow. I always loved her when she was a friend of, that she's a peach now, she's amazing. I love she's funny. She's funny.

I met her in Andy's baby shower. I thought she was fabulous. From the OC, I would probably take Shannon. Yes. I know, I would take Shannon. Because first of all, we, you know, we're both blondes, I need my blondes. I would probably take Shannon. Yes. I know. I would take Shannon because first of all, we, we, you know, we're both blondes. I need my blonde, you know, since I get it, I know her, I feel like I'm more bonded with her than everybody else on that show. And who else? What are the friends? Oh,

Salt Lake City. Yes. Who would I have to take from Salt? I mean, that could be a tough one. That could be a tough one. I mean, the natural thing would be to say like I had their gay because we get a low and had to have to take a Heather gay. I think take a Heather gay because you got to have someone's going's what I'm saying. I think that's what I'm saying. I think that's what I'm saying. I think that's what I'm saying. I think that's what I'm saying. I think that's what I'm saying. I think that's what I'm saying. I think that's what I'm saying.

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I hope so. Margaret, tell everybody what you're working on and what's coming up besides the show. OK, so what I'm working on is, first of all, I have a mocktail coming out called Suarez. In the next month, God willing, it comes in from the bottle or because, like we said, I don't drink right it's coming out in slim cans For elevated flavors you could see the cans behind us. I love it. They're very fabulous

So that's that'll be coming in and that's just not a house I think that's you know I have a team and we're doing a really big thing so that's great. I'm very excited about it because and you could also spike it So working on that, my paperback is coming out actually this week and I'm very excited about that. And there's a bonus chapter that is an interview with Marge Senior.

Great. Which is good. And I've told you, I loved your book and a lot of GCCJP Reddit. Really liked it. That makes sense. It is a good, interesting juicy memoir with really great it. That makes sense. It is a good, interesting juicy memoir

with really great advice. Thank you. That sums up each chapter. That was really good. Yeah, and a great chapter with Mark senior, you know, about how he felt about the book and about her. And then of course, my podcast, Kavir on Dreamstune Fish Budget,

which is about entrepreneurs, people disrupting industries, people who had a dream and made their success happen. And that's great. I keep the pop culture because you're doing such a good job, but I don't need to step into that arena. So, Kevin, I loved getting your opinion on all things housewife. Thank you. We will keep watching. Every Tuesday night, New Jersey is really good, as always, and love to all the other girls love to. Thank you. And I hopefully let me know when you come out to LA

and I'll see you. Yeah, well, I hope. Hopefully soon I'll be out there. Thanks, Heather. Okay, good. Bye.