Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Real Housewife of NYC Carole Radziwill on Bravo, The Kennedys and Sex!

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

Return Juicy Scooper and Real Housewife favorite, Carole Radziwill met me in my hotel room just above the notorious Regency Bar to gossip! We discuss dating younger men. I recap Nicole Kidman’s “Babygirl”. I need your help on who should play a 30ish Carole in the upcoming Ryan Murphy series American Love Story about JFK Jr and Carolyn. JFK Jr. was Carol’s husband’s cousin and the four of them were best friends. Carole reveals what she got paid as a real housewife and how the show was produced then verses now. Carole also shares about her mother in law, Lee Radziwill and her relationship with Calista Flockhart who played Lee in The Swans. Carole discusses her book “What Remains” and the possibility of it becoming a play. So many laughs, so much juicy scoop! • Get 20% off your first order, plus free shipping, at https://MeUndies.com/juicyscoop, enter promo code juicyscoop  • Find exactly what you’re booking for on https://Booking.com ,Booking.yeah! Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald on iTunes, the podcast app, and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPodApple  https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up. Hannah MacDonald, woo. Heather McDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. From New York City, I am with return guest, Juicy Scooper, author, classy lady, sexy lady, Carol Radzowel is here. Hi. I think this is the fourth time maybe you've done it because we did it

one time here in New York and another time you were in LA. Twice in LA. Yeah and I brought the Barbie. Yeah you brought. Oh yes. And you were like really looking at it because I like made her eyebrows like better and stuff. Yeah yeah how my eyebrows. You look amazing. This is your color. Oh it is. Because of your green eyes. Do you wear a lot of green? Uh, no, no. My eyes have recently turned green like the last five years. I swear to you. I promise you. They have. My eyes were hazel. I'll show you on my driver's license. Hazel brown.

And just in the last five years they just started getting lighter and lighter. So now they're green. And I'm thinking, maybe I have a liver disease. I don't know. Do you know that my, I feel like my eyes have gotten a little more lighter green. Cause they're always like, we're always just like, shit brown.

And then, and I'm like, oh, maybe it's the eye makeup I'm using is like bringing it out or something. Do you think that's something to do with like, drinking? Oh, no, I don't know. I was gonna say menopause. Maybe maybe I don't know like as I went through menopause my eyes got lighter and lighter they're like bright green now well they look good cares no one talks about the positives of menopause no I

just straight up not having your period anymore is the greatest the greatest thing thing the greatest thing um you know, my son is 22, Drake is here, so get ready. No one has Drake's life perspective because the amount of times that like I would be in like a compromising position like running around with the kids and not be prepared for my period or for it to be whatever. And you remember when we were in Atlantis? That was bad. No, there's so many good things.

I think I'm not gonna preach about HRT, hormone replacement therapy, because everyone has an opinion on it, but if you really do your research, women who don't get on that kind of early on, really suffer. Oh, really suffer. I actually did not I feel like I had it pretty great. No but you need hormones you need estrogen is a lubricant for your brain for your bones for your heart so like

all right you know you don't want to get osteoporosis you don't have cardiac events it's like it's not just meant to go away. What is it is it a shot or what? No it's just a cream a topical cream. All your body. No. Oh, no, just a dab like on your okay, I don't I don't the amount of Medical literature on menopause is this much. Yeah as much and billions and billions of women go through it I don't I still I don't understand I feel like I never had a baby and I feel like I know more about childbirth than I do about menopause. Like, sort of our sexual health stops at 42 or 45, right? You know? I guess when you get deemed unfuckable, do you remember

that Amy Schumer sketch? No. Oh my god, she had a sketch show and it was like Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Tina Fey and she comes across these women having lunch and she's like, what do you guys do? Oh my God, this is amazing. Like you're all my favorite female comedians. What are you doing here? And they're like, oh, we're celebrating Julia Louis-Dreyfus's last, it's her last day to be considered fuckable. And we're gonna like, and they like,

send her in like a canoe and they send her off. And it was like, oh, this is the last day. I feel like it was so funny. I'm talking about that, okay, so. I can't say talk about sex in front of your son. No, it's fine, he has to put- I feel like it gets better. It's fine, he just has to put up with it.

It's just part of life. That's why I'm saying no one has his life perspective. There's not another 22-year-old man who has a female stand-up comedy mother that talks about sex with his dad on stage while he films it. No! Dude, I'm like, can you cut the clip where... That's so good.

But I wanted to, no, speaking of which, you know, when we saw you in Real Houses of Rony, you are a widow and you wrote a book and what made- The Widow's Guide to Sex and Dating. Oh, you did What Remains of Widows Guides. The Widow's Guide to Sex and Dating. Yes. And we have so many questions for you but since we were talking about the dating so we saw you have like a younger boyfriend, the

chef. Yeah. And the chef and you're still friends, are you friends? Yeah. Where is that situation? Yeah. I mean Adam I've known him 10 years now. Yeah. I feel like he's like family. You know how they kind of old boyfriends morph into like family? No, because I don't have any old boyfriends. I do. My husband is my family. I think we morphed into brother and sister.

Well, yeah, it's the same. It's the same. After 10 years, it's like you're a brother and sister. Right. You know, the annoying little brother. Right. Although, like in a lot of ways, he's more mature than me.

But so did you you were saying that that you just saw a preview of Bridget Jones's diary about a boy. It's called it's the it's the fourth installment of the Bridget Jones Diary saga. And it's Renee again, Renee Zellweger. She's she's kind of awesome. I mean, she's just really, yeah, I love her. She's great. And she's now a widow

because in the last installment, Mark Darcy dies in a terrorist bombing in Sudan, I think, or some sort of terrible dark ending to him. And she's Bridget Jones, so she's still like, she can't quite get it together. And it's so, and Hugh Grant is in it. And she in the narrative in this is she has a younger boyfriend played by this really hot guy called Leo Woodall.

I mean, he's very good, because I've seen him in other movies. So how much younger? He's in the movie. Is there characters? Like 20 years? It's not like the graduate where like Dustin Hoffman was 28 and Anne Bancroft was like 32. Oh, when they were playing the 20s. But I'm saying they're characters.

They're characters. He was I think 20. I think he said he was 28. Okay. And she's like 50. Well, yeah, but then he said, well, how and she was like, oh, and then he's like, well, what are you 35? And she goes, Yeah, I'll go with that. You know, which shows the 50. She's 50. Yeah. And it, you know, I don't know, people, I was asked about it afterward, because I've had several relationships, like, you know, kind of long relationships with younger men, sort of in their 30s. And I think there is a, there's an acceptance of it now that just didn't exist even ten

years ago. Totally. Like, I feel like people are more accepting of women in their 50s dating men in their 30s than men in their 50s dating women in their 30s or 20s. I feel like there's a little bit of an ick factor about that. Well, like the Bill, what's his name? Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick, yeah.

Exactly. So he's 72 and she's 23 or four. Yeah, it's ick. And I saw this one guy ask Tom Brady, like, well, would you ever help your former coach's new girlfriend rent a car? Because she can't rent a car because you're 25. I mean, I'll be honest.

And he just registered for like, took like a second, just like it took me and you a second. And he's like, oh my God, that is so funny. No, they're like, yeah, I'm like, listen, once in a lot. Now, it's like 20 years is one thing. Whatever. 50 years is another. At that point, though, who cares? Like, what do you really I mean, I don't I mean, I'm just gonna say that I think there's a there's there's a growing ick factor with much older men dating much younger women, because there's a growing ick factor with much older men dating much younger women because there's a power differential there anyway. Even if you're a man and a woman similar in age, the men is perceived

to have more power even if they're both 35, right? So at 55 and 25, there's just an ick factor that doesn't, I think, now exist as much with older women dating younger men. Am I right? But I have several friends that are in their 50s that are dating, you know, and they're attractive and they're put together and everything. But I mean, not lying about their age on the app or anything, and they're getting plenty of dates. And from guys their age and

from a little bit younger. But like, no, I think sometimes the guys are like, the younger ones are more aggressive. Yeah. Well, cause I, and then I think there's, yeah, where sometimes it's kind of the perfect thing where a guy is like, I'm not, if I'm married, if I'm whatever, if I'm 38, I'm dating a girl who's 37. There's going to be that pressure. Like, where is this going? Are we getting married? Are we having kids? And if the 38 year old guy is dating a girl who's 37. Yeah. There's gonna be that pressure. Yeah. Like, where is this going? Are we getting married? Are we having kids? And if the 38 year old guy is dating a woman who's 48 or 50, he knows babies aren't a part of it. That's why there's this... And you can have a really great authentic relationship when you both show up and there's

no game playing. It's like, it's very clear. It's very clear. Like in all my relationships, it's very clear what I wanted and what he wanted. So, and I'll tell you, like, I mean, with Adam was, you know, we were together almost five years. These aren't like, you know, flings. My last boyfriend was a year and a half. So these are relationships like any relationship you would have at any age. But it's just more on it. I don't know, there's not a good- Well, you're saying how in the Bridget Jones diary,

like, you know, of course, you know, it makes sense when you're writing a fictional story for at a certain point, the heroine to be be single again and it's easier if he dies. And so before Sex and City came back, I became friendly with Chris Knoth and I was so obsessed with Sex and City, like, you know, obsessed. And I was always, you know, with my writer friends trying to come up with what, you know, either Sex and the City 3 the movie would be or if the series ever come back what it would be. Yeah so I was at his like holiday party yeah and I just go well there's Big has to die. I go Big has to die because Carrie has to get out there and date again. He's like and then I

realized I can't believe I just said that like he doesn't want his character to die. So then the show came back and he did die. I guess it's easier to have them die than to have divorce because there's a lot of messiness with divorce. Although divorce, it could be funny because you kind of run into him with the young girl, typical young girlfriend and that's funny. But no, in Bridget, he died and she had this lovely

Oh, and Bridget, he died, and she had this lovely relationship with Leo Woodall, who's gorgeous and shirtless a lot, and you're just like, oh my god. And then she ends up breaking up with him, because that's always usually what happens. But then Hugh Grant is in it, and Hugh Grant is like, I could watch that guy read the telephone book. Like he's so good. And every time he shows up on screen, you're just like, he's a scene steal. You almost like you wanted to be with Hugh and not Leo, right? Even though Leo's like hot and whatever. Hugh Grant is just, he's so good in it.

I think there should be another one. I'm gonna put it out there. There should be another one where it's like Harry Metz-Ally. She ends up with Hugh Grant because they're so funny together. They love each other. They're like family. They just need to end up together. I put it out there and make it happen. I always I give all the ideas and I'm like make it happen because I would like to watch that. Yeah and it's very nostalgic because it's really like when you go see this movie it's like being back in the 90s almost again there it's like everything about it even the way it's shot and

stuff it's like it's like calm it's nice it's like calm. It's nice. It's like old fashion. So speaking of what's not old fashioned, I saw a baby girl with Nicole Kidman. Now when I first saw when I first saw people doing little reviews and talking about it on TikTok, they had seen it in the movie theater. And they're like, Oh, my God, like people were laughing, they're dying. And it's Nicole Kidman is a CEO of a big company that's like has like robots coming about and but it's modern day and she's in New York and her husband is Antonio Banderas. Yeah and he also really good

looking they have two teenage daughters and he is a director of like plays in the city and but he's not good at sex right. I just watched the beginning of it. I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm spoiling it for you because there's some things that really bothered me. So right off the bat, they're like boning all the time, which if you've been with someone for at least 17 years because of the girl's ages, that's pretty great. Like you're still boning all the time.

So they're boning all the time and then the minute they finish boning, she like runs to her bedroom and opens up a computer and like masturbates to finish off just some like porn so you're like okay I guess she isn't happy so anyway then the next day she do it with him though that's what I didn't understand like just do it with this whole thing the whole thing is I'm like so if you've had 17 years she then reveals I've never had an orgasm with you after she starts the affair with the intern. I'm saying if you had 17 years of not having an orgasm, but then being able to have it

on your own later, like at 57 or whatever she's supposed to be playing, and she looks amazing, her body's amazing, she decides this 25-year-old intern is the one that she's going to cheat on. They don't make it that she's ever cheated 17 years prior. So this is the person that you're like, this employee. So right off the bat, he's like kind of aggressive with her and stuff, like tries to kiss her in a meeting. But I thought, I'm intrigued because I love any movie that has New York in a background.

Okay. I literally like want there to be for me to search up New York affairs and murders, like psychological thrillers, sexy, those are my favorite kind of movies. Unfaithful, Fatal Attraction, A Perfect Murder, like those all are just, and wealth, people have to be wealthy in New York. For me to enjoy the movie. So they, all this, I'm watching the whole movie it seems like this affair is going on for a year but the Christmas treats are still up so I'm like wait a minute I'm watching it with Peter I'm like wait a minute this whole thing is like within two weeks of like them

finding time to go to hotel rooms and work late during the holidays, which is kind of a hard time to like work late. You have all these Christmas parties and kids have like, yeah, but they start boning and doing all this stuff. And of course you've seen the funny parts where he, she walks into, you know, they were getting, everyone's getting drinks after and the interns are over there and she's like with her CEO people. And then someone brings them a big thing of milk

and it's like a chic bar and he's like did somebody order that and he she looks over he's like and she goes and then she guzzles like this and it's not skim it's not 2% it's not 1% it's full she's having issues It's full, full milk. She's having issues. So she brings the whole thing and then she's like, and I guess the milk was supposed to be like on her face. Like, calm on your face, I guess. Or just that he can get her to do what he wants.

Like, because, you know, you always hear, I guess, about men going to like a dominatrix because they're this big CEO, they want this woman to be like, hey, you piece of shit, get on your knees. And they like, love it. So I guess that was kind of the switcheroo of the story. But then what killed me the most is I'm watching it with my husband, Peter. You're going to like this part.

Right. So they find out he, you know, it gets revealed that she, I can't, but I don't want to tell every bit, but it gets revealed and he goes, get out, the husband, Andrew, get out. So she's, but it's like, well, she gets out of her beautiful penthouse and goes to like the two story Connecticut or whatever house. But it's like, you know, how dare you kick me out to like our $5 million Connecticut house or whatever it is, 50 million.

And so she's there alone. And it's her money, by the way, right? He's a theater director. No, I'm like. She's in her house, and she's feeling sad, because she doesn't know what's going on with her marriage. And then she looks out the window, and the intern is swimming in the pool.

And I'm like, OK, wait. It's still Christmas time. We're on the East Coast. It's freezing. It's freezing. Is it snow on the ground? So I'm like, if Peter wasn't going to divorce me, my husband, for screwing a 25-year-old male intern,

it would be because I let that male intern turn on the fucking heater of the pool. And run out of the heat. And it must have started at like 20 degrees. I mean, it would have taken like 24 hours to get to like a solid like 90 degrees. And then she jumps in. So then they have a fun swimming time. And then you know and then it's like a fatal attraction he's

the glad they have that scene which I love because like when I was working on writing movies with the Wayne's brothers with like white chicks we watched all the movies like you know Tootsie and something like it hot any movie where there's men having to pretend to be women. And I remember it was like a film class because he was like, okay, now we need a scene where they almost get caught. And I was like, oh, there is like a formula to this.

And so being that this is a formula, I think to Unfaithful, there is a moment when, or Fatal Attraction, where she comes into the house and she hears his voice and the kids are laughing and everything and it reminds me of in Fatal Attraction when he comes home and Alex... No, she's pretending to be interested in buying the house. Yeah, and they're like, oh, I'll give you my number and he's like grrr. So he shows up because he's like, you left your here. And then they have a party.

And she has this beautiful assistant, this young black girl who's like her main right-hand lady. And she invites her to the daughter's party, still Christmas time. And it's like her daughter, Sweet 16, and she brings him, the intern. So she goes to him and she's like, daughter, Sweet 16, and she brings him, the intern. So she's like, goes to him and then she's like, what are you, she's like, I don't want you to be with her, you're mine. You're mine, and then the girl walks in

and she's like, we need more cupcakes. What the fuck is going on? So then, so then. Now this is where I like to rewrite a movie. Okay. So I am like, perked up. I'm like, now this gets good. Right. Now. Was the sex hot in it or was it like always like she was getting choked?

The sex was good but it was a lot of her like set like her orgasms were like an animal like so like we have a lot of coyotes where we live and sometimes when I get them all night like coyotes are like it's so loud and I'm like imagining just like a coyote orgy like literally in my backyard. So it was like, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uh like I'm like I would but I will see no right so so anyway perfectly dressed CEO is willing to crawl on the disgusting like hotel carpet I'm like I would but I'm well she no right so anyway so that so that he so I'm like oh my god this is getting good now because her assistant now knows there's something going on but the assistants with him and of course she could like lose everything so I'm like like, this is juicy. But what happens is, you know, the girl,

the assistant tells her, spoiler, tells her like, I know what's going on. All I want you to do is support women, you know, as the reporter would say. You know, support women? Okay, can you maybe give me a promotion? Okay, working hard for you? I don't even like your Australian accent.

Did they take that from Rone? Yes! She goes, I just don't think you're like supporting women enough and like so I guess she gives her a promotion and then all of a sudden he's gone and this other CEO comes in and he's like Kind of hinting that he knows and he's like I think you and I should talk about you know at my at my house Or something like it doesn't have to go to HR at some no nobody knows nobody knows but he can like, I think you and I should talk about, you know, at my house or something. Doesn't she have to go to HR at some point? No, nobody knows. Nobody knows.

But he hints like this other like executive male, it hints like, I know that you were fucking the intern. And he kind of is basically threatening her or maybe he's like, you better fuck me or I'm going to tell or something. And she has a really good scene there where she's like, like stands up for herself and is like, fuck you, I don't care what you say, like I'm gonna be fine. And he goes off to Japan to like work for Kawasaki

or whatever. Now I was like, the much better, the much better situation, if I was rewriting this, which the same thing happened, did you watch the Debbie Moore substance? Like I could have thought of the better, the last one third of the movie sucked. And I like I want to rewrite the ending but this one the same thing I was like it would have been so much juicier if we found out that the

intern and the assistant planned this out. Like pre-planned it, knew it, got chic, helped get him the job. He never even went to college because he had like he looked kind of rough like yeah., why would he target her? Yeah, like why was he targeting her so hardcore and it was like there could have been something so juicy there. No. So then the husband forgives her and he finally, you know, fingers are right and she has an orgasm. And I'm like, that's it? Like she didn't lose anything besides her heating bill for the month of December at the Connecticut House. I'm okay with her not losing anything. You don't have any men CEO's, induct interns and don't lose anything. So we're okay with her not losing anything. But the husband, the daughters forgave her, like everything is just fine.

The big flaw also is like you said, 17 years of marriage, they're fucking all the time and like she doesn't think to like, like masturbate or bring that to her. Or like into the, why isn't she with her husband? Like it would have made more sense if it was like some reference to that she was a serial cheater and that's why she's so brazen going for the sky that's hitting on her but it's literally like she's led like an exemplatory like sexy marriage. Like she's total prude in her marriage for 20 years and then she's like crawling and licking like yeah shoes that doesn't that doesn't make sense that leap of faith is like really

bizarre. But but but I actually like kind of like watching the movie. I think older women with younger guys, are they doing? I mean I feel like it's the reverse. Of what? I feel like they're not subservient to younger men. I think they're more confident. I mean that's what I think. So the younger men seem more subservient. Not subservient is not a great word but you know what I mean. Like they're just more interested and pleasing. It's like, you know how they always do different TV shows and things,

and they're like, it's a remake, but it's with a Latino family, or whatever. That's why I feel like, it's a remake, but instead of an all fart and a young girl, it's gonna be an old lady and a young guy. Yeah, yeah. And that's gonna be the DIU. Yeah, like he's the, he's the.

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just talking about war TV, but first, you are, tell me about, that you are about the play that you're an investor in, and there's a cool connection to the star, so tell us about that. I'm thinking about actually turning my memoir, What Remains, into a play. Absolutely should, it'd be so good. I know, I just thought it's so chic and elegant

and there's a lot of television, a lot of limited series, and they're just all sort of like, cringy and creepy. Well, Ryan Murphy is doing one. Well, yes, and we can talk about that. And he did the swans. And I also want people,

I don't know how much you'll be in it, but I'm sure your character has to be in it. And I'm thinking, who should we get to play you? I don't,'m thinking who should we get to play you? I don't... Who should we get to play you in the Ryan Murphy? You mean the American love story one with John and Carolyn? Of course you're going to be part of it if you're married to a best friend and cousin. If he's telling...

No, I don't think I have to be because I stayed out of the tabloid story. I would like to know if he's just doing the tabloid version, I don't have to be in it. If he's doing the real story, there's no way I couldn't be in it, but I don't want to be in it. From what he did with the Menendez brothers, because I know a lot about it,

he really kind of takes a little from everything, from tabloids, from people's theories, from several different books. And then also also because he can create you know he can create a scene in a conversation that nobody knows would be true or not you know because you're taking the characters. I think everyone thinks everything is true I think right you know which is the unfortunate part when when 90% is just from tabloids that are not true. Right. But whatever. It's entertainment. Yeah.

And I'm not wishing to be part of it. I'm just, OK, so I just want to ask the two scoopers to suggest some actresses that could play you. OK. Because at that time, what you were like in your 30s. Yeah. So an actress in her 30s. Yeah.

She doesn't have to have green eyes, because they weren't green. They weren't green. They were brown. New York, an upper class New York brunette who's thin with a nice ass. That's what we need. Upper class. I mean, I was a working journalist at ABC hustling.

Yeah, but still. I was not like, yes, I mean, no joke. But you had style. You had good style is what I'm saying. No, I mean. You had like the simple good. You always had the good style. Just like, just like she did.

No, I was, I didn't really have style because I remember Carolyn, like, you know, we used to go through my closet. She's like, honey, you got to get rid of this. Oh, really? Yes. And did you love it? Of course. I love it when somebody does that.

Of course. And she had a great closet and she gave me all of her, you know, all of her Prada suits and stuff that she thought she would need to wear, like that she never wore, you know. Oh, so then you had them for like work and stuff. I had them from work because I was like a little miss nerd going to ABC News. Yeah. She was fabulous and not going to corporate America. She left Calvert.

If you did yours as a play. What Remains. Yeah. I think I would be honest, and I'm just sort of brainstorming it now, but I think I would focus on the two girls. I think I would focus on me and Carolyn. And that would be more the focus because I just think it is interesting, very complex.

I mean, obviously my husband and her husband are part of that whole story, but the relationship- Because just to remind people, they're first cousins. Yes. They're, Jackie and your husband's- Lee were sisters. Were sisters, and they were the only two in the family, so they were very close, and there's been a lot of books

and stuff written about their relationship because it's something juicy and things that people wanna speculate about because one was the first lady, the other one had this great life in New York and then there's Onassis that came in and there's stories that Lee dated Onassis and then that ended. But then there's stories that basically like Lee was like, you should go form Jackie because

you need someone this wealthy because the secret services stopped and the Kennedys are being cheap and you have these two kids. And no, I'm just saying these are the things that I've read. I don't know anything, but these are the stories that are kinda out there. So it's like, yes, I think I wanna know what it was like for the two of you to marry into this. Yeah, it's just a much more,

it's like a deeper story of the two girls. And she grew up much like I did in upstate New York, not wealthy, but you know, she was a single mom, you know, with three kids. You mean her mom was? Her mom was a single mom. Oh, I didn't know that. I know, because the story in the tabloids is more like Gurb and Greenwich and it all seems fabulous, but she didn't, her mom didn't remarry until Carolyn was like in her teens,

so that was, and then she married a doctor and that was you know then they moved to Greenwich. But no she grew up in in Yonkers and you know much probably like I did. So it's sort of like this sort of Cinderella story. We both go to the you know make our way to New York City and kind of reinvent ourselves. Her in fashion and she you know moved up the ranks in fashion. I moved up the ranks in journalism. I don't know, it just feels like... And also that era, there's a lot of nostalgia. Like the Gen Zers are like, oh, what was it like to be in college without Instagram?

Like they love, they like to have, like with my book, you'll never blue ball in this town again. I always think it's great to have a book because I always tell people when they're like, should I write a book? I write a book because you never know. It's not like it has to turn it unlike TV that you pitch it. Nobody wants it. It's dead or the pilot is dead.

It's dead. A book is as a piece of real estate that can be turned into something later on. I feel like my book, just because you talked about it, I feel like my book, which was about a girl in LA, like trying to make it all these funny dating stories and all this stuff, but I was an old virgin and I really didn't want to be an old virgin, but I was. And so, but it's like, and I'm almost like a little bit of a Forrest Gump, like I lived down the street from OJ,

I made out with Kato, like there's all these like stories from the 90s that are like a little bit, yeah. And so that could be, there are such with the 90s that are like a little bit. Yeah, and so that could be there. That's because there's like answer machines. Yeah, like you had to wait. You could play the rules, which is the book about like making a guy kind of wait and wonder what you're up to. You met your husband at work a lot.

Like, you know, now it's like you can't meet them at work. Right. It was it was it was everyone's nostalgic for it. And my story, I think, takes place, it was everyone's nostalgic for it. And my story, I think, takes place really in the 70s when we grew up and that's such a great era. And the 90s, when I got to ABC News and moved to the city, Carolyn moved to the city, around the same time, we both met.

Well, I met Anthony, she met John in the early 90s. Who met the husbands first? She, I met Anthony probably in 1990, yes. And then she, Carolyn and John started dating in 91 or something, but then they broke up for a while. He went back to an old girlfriend. He was dating Darryl Hannah for a long time. So he dated her, he went back to her for a couple years and then they got back together in 94 after his mom. And then were you happy? Yes, because you had stayed friends with her.

Oh, okay, that's cool. Yeah, so I kept the connection a bit. So you kept that connection so that every time he'd pop over in his beret, I always imagine him on a bike in a beret but with no shirt. I know that doesn't make sense but it's the way you remember like that. But when he came over shirtless in a beret but with no shirt. I know that doesn't make sense, but it's like the way you remember like that. But when he came over shirtless in a beret and. He was never shirtless in a beret. And so, so then you, would you drop that like,

oh, I just had lunch. No, or he would ask. He would ask. I would never talk about it. And what would you say? And Carolyn was very, very, you know, she's not, I mean, listen, she was not chasing any boys, even John. So she wasn't like, she wasn't trying to stay in touch with me to get information. She in fact, she kind of like was like careful about like any interaction we had, like she didn't want it to seem even like she was like trying to like get get information. She was she was the ultimate cool girl. Like even as John Kennedy, she did not care. She's like she's

Carolyn Bissett. She really knew more than any woman I've ever met even before or since. Like she really knew she knew her worth in that way in a way that was extraordinary for the 90s, going back to the 90s, where women were just a little bit more like, you know, unsure where they were in the workplace, unsure where they were in the dating scene. You know, I mean, date rape had not been, you know, that was not even mentioned.

It wasn't even a term. So she was, yeah, she was great. And then when they got back together after his mother passed away, then it was, it was on. It was like, they were getting married. And then you were, you actually had the princess title, right? Explain how you became a princess. My husband, Anthony's family were like the aristocracy in Poland for hundreds and hundreds of years. And that was was that Lee's first husband? Yeah, no, Lee got married actually when she was young, like 19 or 20, to Michael Canfield.

But they were only married like two years and then they got and it was an old. And then she married Anthony's dad Stanisław Albert. Okay. And then did they stay married the whole time? They were married they end up divorcing like when Lee was in the 70s Anthony was probably like 16 so they were married for a long time. So when we see Lee's character who Calista is playing which will be back to the play that you were in. Oh yeah the play right. But in The Swans, which I loved, but it was interesting because you knew Lee and you guys stayed very close after her son, and you know, which is kind of really wonderful

because sometimes when you hear, you know, about a young death of a son or whatever, sometimes the mother-in-law doesn't keep that relationship with the spouse or whatever, especially when there's not kids or something. So I think that's really cool that you guys are connected. She lived 20 years longer, and there were times when we would not see each other. It was hard in the beginning, Yeah. And she was living in Paris. So but I went to Paris to visit her a few times.

And then as the time wore on, it just got easier and easier to be with her. And it was actually towards the end, ended up being the end of her life, the last like 10 years or five years. She was great. I mean, we would have dinner at her apartment, just the two of us.

And like she was really Extraordinary and I think people don't even understand the depth of what she really was because she's always couched next to Jackie But she was she had she was so intelligent so curious about everything like she could talk politics culture And then the one thing I'm bad about her one of the things I admired about her was she wasn't nostalgic at all about this life she had led like in the 60s. And she could have been. I mean, people lead less glamorous, less interesting lives that cling to those stories. You know, you hear them over and over again.

Oh God, is that gonna be me? No. No, that's me. When I was on Rony. No, we'll get to Rony, but you didn't even talk about Rony. So, yeah, we've got to really get caught. But she wasn't nostalgic, and it was just refreshing. And she was fucking fantastic.

She was fantastic. And yeah, I didn't see the swan, so I think, but I did have the opportunity to meet Calista because I invested in this play, and now I'm getting sort of trying to get into theater a little bit and I love theater I think it's elegant. What's the name of the play? It's an old Sam Shepard play wrote in 1970 I think called The Curse of the Starving Class. It's very relevant today. It's starring Callista, Fhart, she plays the mother, and Christian Bale, another 90s guy.

He's fantastic, he plays the husband, and then sort of these two newcomers, Cooper Hoffman is the son, he's kind of the main character, and he's Philip Seymour Hoffman's son, and he's unbelievable, he's like 19 years old. He is so good, and then Stella Marcus is a young girl. She plays the daughter. And this is such a brilliant cast.

And this is off Broadway. It's a not-for-profit theater. It's one of the, it's just been extraordinary to be able to see from table read to studio rehearsal to tech rehearsal, which is what we're in now, tech rehearsal and previews. And then it opens in a couple of weeks. The work that these actors do,

like I saw it from table readers only like a month ago, now they're totally off book, they're in previews, so anyone can go see the play now in previews, and they're perfect. I mean, it's extraordinary, like what they can do to bring, because I read the play, it's very dense, very intense, kind of dark play, and you're reading it, and you're like, wow, I don't know how to do this. The minute the actors start talking the dialogue and doing whatever the hell they do, it's

just like, it comes to life. It's really interesting. It's the thing that I really love about New York is I was saying the other day, I went to see Bridget Jones' diary. You can't get more like pop and fun and cutesy. And then I went to tech rehearsal for Curse of the Starving Class and it's just the greatest thing about New York that you can go at any day, any night and go see off-Broadway this intense, incredibly interesting play and that is totally relevant today.

And then the next day see like a Bridget Jones movie. Like premiere. Yeah. A premiere with like Renee Zellweger and like and, you know, Gorgeous Leo, what all? Like, it's just like, it's just a great thing. That's why it was funny talking to Sonya. Everyone should go see this play, by the way. I don't know. I'll link it in my Instagram.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, absolutely. No, I'll share. I'll share it. Okay, I'll give you the link. And it's super cheap. It's not like Broadway. The tickets are like $70. And the theater, Signature Theater, is small. So it's like you feel like you're a part of the whole production. And by the way, there's a sheep alive sheep

And I won't give it away. So you met so you met Kalista I met closely because she came over to me after the table read because we all went around and said our names and whatever and and and she said you know that she played my mother-in-law and And then she said this real first of all she is gorgeous she's so striking in person and I just I just was like she kind of looks like my mother-in-law like the high bones and the wide eyes I was like damn I thought it was a good cast is a good cast and she said that she had read something or heard

something I had said about Lee that she would repeat in interviews and she was just so lovely about it I'm gonna gonna forget, I guess I said something in relation to Lee always being in the shadow of Jackie. Lee was never the shadow, she was the sun and the stars. And I guess Callista had read that somewhere and she would say that in interviews and stuff. She goes, I think they cut it out a lot. Cause I think they wanted to perpetuate this.

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["Sibling Rivalry," by The Bachelorette plays.] Speaking of which, you know, there's all these, and because you're part of this, you know, Kennedy situation, you know, one of my favorites was Greg Gardens. Yeah. With Edie, which was like... Lee is buried next to Big Edie.

And that is Lee and Jackie's cousin was Big Edie. Yes. Yes. Right. And she had this fancy home, but she and her daughter like just... So anyway, I mean, I said it to Sonia, I'm like, it was like Grey Gardens with that townhouse with you. And she like, you know, was laughing in the whole thing. And I go, do you still have these interns? And she's like, oh yeah, they help me with my OnlyFans. Gosh, I have some feet for the pervs. But they really help because then I put it all together

and then they have it in a drop box and then they can distribute it. And I go, do you pay the interns? She's like, no, no's like no they get school credit I'm like the school credit is hosting the 60 year old woman's OnlyFans anyway she goes but you know what they have a great life you know do you want to work in a Barnes and Noble and like barely get to afford your sweet treats or go with me to a fashion show and hang out with Josh Flan like you know I think she like come on. I'm showing them the greatest life ever and I'm like, yeah

I'm sure I'm sure like you're so entertaining and I'm sure it's fun for fun I don't think they're getting any kind of school credit But she's a baby girl and she's like, oh we have some other interns that do more than just post the content. Post my only. But some of the comments were like she was so funny and entertaining. Some were like, wow, this is kind of sad in that she was on this show and they got all new cast. We don't know if they were coming back. Luanne is doing great with her cabaret.

Bethany obviously has her thing going Jill has her thing going and you know but like you you see that Sonia's like no I mean I'm modeling lingerie I'm doing only fans I can't do traders because I have to do my cameos and then it like you know and then I'm doing this cabaretsque show and all these other things and some people like wow like you're a housewife you you were married to this like, you know, billionaire or whatever. And I'm like, I wonder if there should be a little program

just like they now have with a lot of football players to be like, you're gonna be making this much money. We want to teach you, not just put you in an advisor that can steal your money, but we wanna teach you like, to not be overly generous with your money with family or how to keep it going and da da da. And I kind of wonder like, well we all know that you guys don't get paid a lot. But when you guys did it, you were not, the cast wasn't paying for personal glam and giving them hotel rooms and taking them on the trips. And I'm like,

at a certain point, like as a housewife. And I'm like, at a certain point, like as a housewife consultant, I'm like, learn how to fill in your own eyebrow. Like seriously, like before your house forecloses on, just because you're on Housewives, like I know you have to have this perception that like, oh, I'm gonna have this fancy party and they make you pay for your own parties and things.

But at the same time, like don't be in the red after being on a show that makes the franchise, you know, whatever, $300 million. It's like a half a billion dollars now, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we didn't fly around glam or anything. I'm trying to think. I wasn't overspending.

I was not pretending to be richer than I was. I was just being, you know, I was just like, this is my life, I live downtown, I love my apartment. It's a, you know, one bedroom, it's perfect. And, you know, I'm not trying to be rich. I'm not trying to seem like I'm rich and not flying in hair and makeup. But yeah, I think there's a lot of,

because the potential, like after the fourth season, you do start getting paid a decent amount. But after you take out wardrobe, hair, makeup, all that stuff, like if you're really overspending there, that could be your whole salary. Right. Like it really is, you know. And then I guess now it maybe is a little different because they make a lot of money on

social media. That didn't exist when I first started on Housewives. Can you believe it? Like Instagram launched the same year I was on the show. Like no one knew Instagram was like, no one was doing brand deals. Yeah, I mean I don't think until like Kim really started like, oh, I should be paid per post. And then she really kind of paved the way for like everybody to then make money off of it. And you're right, that probably didn't really start happening until like around 2010 ish.

Well, I started in 2011. Instagram didn't launch until 2011. Oh, okay. So I'm thinking Twitter. yeah, you're right. Twitter announced the same, March of 2008, the same month that Rony announced. So there wasn't even Twitter when Rony, originally, seasons one and two.

Like Twitter was just in its infancy. Right, and you told me that you know the new Rony girls, that you've met them all. I don't know who's on it now. I mean, I've met the ones that were on it maybe last year. I don't know if they switched them up. Right. Or are they switching them up?

No, they're all the same. They just added Rebecca Minkoff. Okay. And then she already announced she's not coming back. I mean, I did. And it wasn't really a good fit, but I don't feel like really any of them really were. It's just so different, because they're all like, you know, they didn't know each other

before and they're just like what made it, you know, what Sonya said is it just shouldn't have been called Roni. It should have been called like something. I don't know what else you call it. Had to be called Roni. But I think that's where, you know, Roni 1 and 2, I don't know. But yeah, I get why they had to call it Roni. I think just like where people are nostalgic for the 90s and, you know, and like the Bridget Jones and the, you know, John and Carolyn story, my story, I think there's a little nostalgia for

like the old original and cast. I mean, in their defense, when you guys came on, there wasn't really a way, even if you wanted to, to watch them all on Peacock and study it and then go, ooh, I gotta have a storyline and then I've gotta bring up this snarky thing and then act like I didn't mean to bring it up. Like, did I just say that?

And you guys were just living in the moment and then you were all smart and funny and had that New York, like, no bullshit way about you that would just get you to like, say it in your own funny point of view. But again, it was never like super mean or snarky. Like, even like, you know, with Ramona and stuff, it's like, she just is who she is,

and she's just not really self-aware. But then everyone says, like, you know, when you need her, like if someone passes or something, like she's still there as a great friend. Yeah. But she has all those girlfriends. Yeah. She has all those girlfriends. You know, I'm really impressed with girlfriends.

I'm not going to apologize for it. You know what? I'm not going to apologize for having a bunch of gorgeous friends that happen to be one percenters. I mean, they're probably, you know how I feel about one percenters? I mean, they're probably like a 0.5 percent. Like they're like really, really, you know how people are one percenters? I mean they're probably like a point five percent. They're like really, really, you know, and it doesn't change it because I have the biggest heart of anybody I know. The biggest heart of anyone I know. But that's who she is.

And it's like, based on like her age where she, where her bubble is, like that's what made it fun. We wanted to see these people that lived in a place, New York City, we don't live there. Like I wanna see what your life is like. You don't have to apologize. But I get why someone gets on it now and is gonna be way more self-conscious because they've seen that what happens to people

or that canceled or this one thing they said haunted them for the next 10 years. I totally get it. And it's not their fault. But it's why the show has changed. Like, they're playing for they're playing for the show and they're playing for social media. Yeah. And we didn't really have that. I mean, towards the you know, we definitely didn't have in the first six seasons of Veroni. And then when Instagram really started, when people really were aware that this could be monetized and brand collabs and then people were retweeting and reposting things.

But we had blogs. We had to write blogs. Yeah, you had to do that. But also there were like Housewife bloggers there's one called stupid housewives STOOPID and they were like so mean but it was just like a blog yeah right it was a fucking tick tock when you're like you know like there's a video of you saying some stupid fucking thing right and and then it's plays over and over and over again. I just

think the cast now is just dealing with a whole other host of things. And I think in a way you're right. Everyone's study, everyone can study it now. Maybe it's a bit studied and a bit like they know they can make their money off. They're going to make their money in social media with brand deals. So they're not going to they they're not gonna take their top off and make out with each other and jump in a pool naked. Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that. They have to really protect their business and their ability to make money, you're right.

Yeah, because you really don't get paid, I think they still probably get like $60,000. A year, a season. A season, and you're filming for a really long time, months. We've filmed a couple of seasons, like five months of filming. And then it doesn't end there. Then you're doing the promotion and the marketing

and the blogging and you have to screen it and then do Watch What Happens Live. It's a lot. It's not just like this finite little chunk of time and then you can go off and like live your life. You're constantly, you know, and then you're gearing up for the reunion and then you have the reunion and then you're gearing up for the next season. And so a couple things is...

So 60,000 after hair, makeup and taxes is like... You're very aware that you're gonna make a lot more money on social media now than you are from the show in those first few seasons. Right. And I think that, so we are filming this in the world famous Lowe's Regency, where the Regency bar is downstairs,

which is, you know, please don't say it's about Tom. When Bethany had a friend just happened to send her a photo of Tom in a compromising position who was engaged at Luanne at the time with some other woman. And last time you came on the show, you actually found out who was responsible for taking the photo, sending it. And it was Michael Cohen, who was friends with Bethany's boyfriend at the time, Dennis. Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's former attorney. And then so he got the call with the text to go down and take a photo. Yes, he took the photo. I mean let me just say I had not thought

about that in many many years. I had no interest in, I didn't care one bit about any of those characters. Right. Because you weren't on that season anymore, right? No, I was. Wait, were you on the season? I was. I was. You were on the season of the Tom.

You were on the trip when she's shaking with the Bethany, with the Steve Jobs. Yeah, that was Miami. I was on like two seasons after. Okay, I can't remember where. But I had been off the show for several years and not thinking about it at all when I was having dinner with my friend who was a movie director and Michael Cohen walked in and was trying to pitch my friend to do his book as a movie and sat down and I mean I thought oh God I do not want to have dinner with Michael Cohen and you know Trump's attorney and he actually turned out to be

so funny, so crazy. He knew all the housewives, like literally knew, he lived in the same building as Dorinda like 20 years ago. He knew Ramona, he knew all of them. And he knew Bethany through her then boyfriend and Luann, all of them. And he said he'd even met me before, but I didn't remember it

because he was close with Aviva. Yeah. Like I was like, and then he then he said, Oh, and then and then he said something about Tom and Luanne. And he was like, well, you know, I took that picture. Like he just literally I was like, wait a minute. What? And he told me the whole story that he got the got the message from. Yeah. I think it was like a setup. I think the whole thing was a setup. So that the girl had. Yeah, I think it was like a setup. I think the whole thing was a setup.

So that the girl had been talking to Tom and it was like, I'm going to go see him at this bar. Yeah. Someone takes a photo, sends it, and then Bethany can act like she was this great friend trying to stop this. But when I talked to Luanne, it was like, I have said, do you ever think, well, maybe she

was giving you a gift to maybe like not marry him. Yeah. And yes, but at the same time, it was one of those kind of what I'm talking about, those mean moments where you do it on camera. Yes. Like you could have easily been like off camera, like, I got to tell you something. No, but when you're on the reality show, you can't do it off camera.

If it happens, it happens. Right. If it happens, it happens. I think the main part of it, it was setting the whole thing up to begin with. Setting it up to begin with. You're right. Text me. Because she didn't just get the thing said to her. No. Out of the blue. Yeah. I think it was so long ago. She knew that this girl was going to meet Tom. I think she had met this woman, I mean, good luck or bad luck or whatever. She had met this woman and this woman said, oh, I still hang out with Tom.

Text me the next time you're gonna be with him. So it was kind of set up like that. And once it happens, whatever, it was set up, it happens, you can't say off camera. You can't just do it off camera. But the shaking of the skinny girl was always good. That was always good. Get that in there. I remember walking in and I'm like, I don't understand, you seem more upset than Luanne.

Luanne was in the hallway at one point and she was like, oh Jesus now I deal with this. Yeah. It was like Bethany was crying. It was so crazy. It was so crazy. But it was so good. Like it really was so good. Like it was as someone watching it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The other the other thing that you mentioned last time you were on was when you went on your one date with Prince Andrew. And that was a long time ago. It was like right after your wedding, you said you spent some time in London for the holidays. And I mean, talk about, you know, dodging a bullet.

No, I didn't know it. I didn't know at the time. mean, talk about, you know, dodging a bullet. No, I didn't know I didn't know at the time. I mean, I don't still know anything. Right. But I didn't even think of it really as a date. I just thought, you know, he was like, I don't know. He was being nice. He's the prince. So he's like the know, he was being nice. He's the prince. So he's just like the Minister of Tourism almost. Yeah, like, and, and he, he, he, we end up going to the ballet and to dinner. And he was, he's you know, did he sweat? Did he sweat? Remember, he says he doesn't sweat.

Oh, he does. I have a disease that keeps him from sweating. He didn't sweat. No. But I saw him only with his clothes on at dinner. So I don't know. But yeah, that was my only experience. I'd seen him a couple of times after that.

Listen, everyone to me, he was. OK, now I ask Sonia this. You know, these Ultimate Girl trips that I am spending all my Christian hours, I have to do Christian service hours for myself, are spent trying to get... What's Christian hours? When you're... when you go to Catholic school that you always have to do a certain amount of Christian service hours. But when did you go to Catholic school? When I was little. But it's in my head. Whenever I do something nice for someone, I go, oh good, I got my Christian service hours in.

Just something I say. Oh, okay. So one of my Christian service things that I'm doing is to get Ultimate Girls Trip back on the air. Because I think it's a win-win for everybody involved. They only film for one week. Yeah, it's lucrative. They pay the good girls good.

We get to see all the OGs. Oh, you do, okay. Sometimes they're from all one season, but no, no, no, normally they've been mixing them, but I'm fine for doing old season one week and just have them be nostalgic. And I know they were going to do that with the New York girls and then like fell apart. And then this thing happened with branding.

I thought they did Loni, or girls. And then all the Loni girls. Oh wait, they did. They did. You're right. They did that. And you know what? It wasn't really, it was, it was okay. But do they mix them up with other girls? They should probably now now now you say they should mix up. It was still fun, but it was like like it would have been

Jill Jill was supposed to do it. And then Jill was like, I want to be paid the same as everyone else, which is completely fair and whatever. There was a big thing. I still think we could bring it back, but they haven't done any for like two years because they did one and Brandi Glanville allegedly groped Caroline Manzo. And then there was like a lawsuit.

So we never will see that one. Morocco, which was like Camille Grammer and like Gretchen Rossi, like people that we like, Alex McCord, like it was like a good, it was like a weird mix. Oh, that's interesting. And so I actually am also starting a class action lawsuit of Bravo viewers that want to sue Bravo for the ability to watch this thing because we're never going to see it. And I talk about it

so much, but no. Why don't they just cut out those parts? Cut out Brandi and Caroline. I don't know. Cut them out. I think you just will get people talking and they want everyone to forget about it. And then they're like, Heather, shut up. You keep bringing it up.

So I want them to do a, would you, if they bring it back, would you do a one week thing, real, like of the, like an ultimate girls trip one week where they take you to Hawaii or something with a mix of women and you guys all kind of like ask each other about how does it do you get to pick what no you don't get to pick no oh they just put people to yeah they just say are you down and this is the week and will you go and I'm just saying because you've not really done any of the stuff since you left since you said to Andy oh are you afraid of her too now?

Okay, we had to bring that up. When you said that, there's something that I know but there's something about that moment that just like still like gives me chills because it was like, you know, and it almost makes you feel like, you know, like he's the king. And then all of a sudden you see that someone, you know, has said something and it's like, yeah, against the king. And then it's like, oh, shit, you know, I did not have an oh shit moment after I know you did I know you did. That's what's so good because you're like, yeah, like you're like, but that's what was so good about it. But would you go? Would you do an Ultimate Girls trip?

Yeah. I mean, would you do it? Just say yes. Yeah. Okay. So like, yeah, I'm going to make this happen. We're going to bring this back. Maybe they don't call it Ultimate Girlsrip. Maybe they call it something else.

I don't know any women other than the Rony women. Maybe they should call it Bravo Getaway. That's what they should call it. A Bravo Getaway. And you could even throw some guys in there or something. And it's just Bravo celebrities that we all love. Because like right now they're doing Traders. and people really like it, but they mix them with Survivor and Big Brother, and none of those shows I watch. So what about mixed housewives with Below Death? That's what I'm saying, that's what we call it, a Bravo, that's what we call it, Bravo Getaway.

And it's a vacation for a week or two, with a mix of people. Two weeks, maybe a week. A week, okay fine, a week, and it with a mix of people. Two weeks, maybe a week. A week, okay fine. A week, and it's a mix of people. And you could throw in some men as well. Yeah, no. No, no men?

No. Okay, only girls? Okay, fine. Women are more fun. All right. And you know, they get into it. Just trying to get people to work, you know. Oh, okay.

Yeah. No, no, is that like Harry Dubin to work, you know. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, no. Is that like Harry Dubin kind of people? No. Okay. Did I tell you that I hung out with Harry Dubin when I was in Palm Beach? No, but I'm not surprised.

So I went to this bar and Ramona was there. She was very nice. In Palm Beach? In Palm Beach. And then later on had lunch with Ramona. And, but Harry Dubin came on by and this woman was like I'm gonna marry Harry Dubin and I'm like does he know that it was very weird like women want him women want him and he's flirting with me and I'm like I'm

married and I just don't think that matters to some people, but whatever. He, you know, yeah. You were there then when the leg was thrown, right? Of course, yes. And the story, like yeah, we all know that this story is that she knew she had this planned. Like planned out. Yes, I think she's talked about it. The only thing fake about me is this leg. And when do you think she got the idea to throw it? Do you think she got it before she ever took the role? No, no, I think she got it because

I got the idea to do it after she didn't go to the trip Because I feel like she realized that that was a major Like mistake to miss all those days of filming and interaction. Because I think contractually, you have to, contractually, it's like you really obligate to go on the cast trip and the reunion. Or maybe it's changed. No, I know the reunion.

Or if you don't do it, like when Lisa Vanderpump didn't do it, I believe she told me she gave up $250,000 not to be there to talk about Puppet Gate. Right. Well, she probably did because it's probably three episodes and she gets paid per episode X amount of money. So maybe it added up to $200,000. Yeah. If you're not on the episodes.

Right. She had to pick that up. Oh. But if you don't go to the cast trip, it's just like there's some things. And I think probably she realized, oh, shoot, that was a missed up there. So she was just trying to do something that would be so dramatic. Can you believe that? Yeah, I don't know. It's one of the best scenes ever. But then she, she didn't come back after that.

Because I can't remember your, I can't remember your reaction, but I remember just the way I gave her the, I remember giving her the leg back and I was like, you need, you need help. You need to get help. I gave her the leg bag after she threw it across the- How heavy was it? It's not that heavy, it's light. Ha ha ha ha. Did you put it back on the table or did you- I handed it to her.

Because she put it out on the table and then she threw it. And then she threw it because- And then Ramona told me that originally, Ramona said that she also had a plan that Harry, who was her ex-husband. She wanted Harry to carry her out. Yeah. Harry told me too that that's what she wanted and Harry said, I'm not doing that.

That would have been so good. That would have been so good. See, there's like this, there's not a moment like that. No, maybe not. In the two seasons of Roni or any or very other a lot of other shows like very few shows have multiple hilarious moments and I think that's why the fans just like adore anyone from like your era of the of Roni yeah original Roni yeah well yeah it's it's nostalgia and it's it's just it was like I thought it was like a lot of comedy, especially in the first,

it started getting a little darker. I could see it kind of turning the last couple of couple of seasons and then just started getting a little bit more intense. When they cast like Leah and... Well then surely, but even when I was still on it, it just felt like there was like, you know, there's a lot of like, not just setups like setting up Tom and like that was kind of like, yeah, but like opposition research, like just like trying to like really, you know,

mess with some other cast and leaking of stories, putting in fake stories and page six or this and that. Like I just saw, like it just started getting a little like mean, like uh and not like funny crazy like mean crazy. Yeah. There's a plotting difference. Yeah. I think when there's plotting that's when I get turned off. Yeah. Like when you're really plotting to like hurt someone's livelihood or do it because you don't you feel like you don't have enough going on and I'm like listen if your life is what it is that's fine as long as you're a funny

commentator commentator funny in the moment but if you're not then you're like well I better pretend that I'm gonna have a baby at 50 yeah when we all know you don't want it no there's a new girl that that is very likable she's on Beverly Hills but I'm not the first one saying it but people are like I don't believe this story. She's 48 and she already has a daughter who's like 16 She says no she hasn't she says she's got this new boyfriend that she hasn't even said I loved I love you, too, but they're all their conversations and things are about Having a baby, but she also had to have fibroid surgery. The whole thing doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense. Like she's having a surrogate? Like a donor? No, like she says, I want to carry it myself. I'm like, are you in like crazy town? What are you talking about? See that kind of stuff is- And I mean, yeah, and I'm like,

and also it's one thing if she maybe had never had a kid, but like she already has like a 16 year old daughter. She's a widow. And then she, this guy that like comes on and they have not even said, I love you. And then she goes and has dinners with, you know, Dorit and Erica to talk about her plan to have a child with this man who she's doesn't say, I love you.

They don't live together, they're not engaged. It's not like they're married. Is she starting like IVF and all that? That's what I'm saying. I think it's a bullshit story. this man who she's doesn't say I love you they don't live together to not engage not like they're married and she's starting like IVF and all that that's what I'm saying I think it's a bit. I think it's a kind of a BS thing of like that well what could what what could up my all I have going on right now is got a 16 year-old daughter kind of dating this guy so what could up it.

And I do think you know when you watched it for 20 years whatever lovers bonds but on, 17 years, and you're cast, you're like, I need to like make a splash, and I can't just be there saying snarky marks about someone's outfit. Like I gotta have something going on, because it's the audience that keeps saying, you don't have a good storyline, you don't have,

I'm like, well, what about the woman who's like, no, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna get divorced, or tell you that, you know, I have some horrible ailment or something, like, no, I'm sorry, I'm not going to get divorced or tell you that, you know, I have some horrible ailment or something like, well, I'm not doing that. So if that doesn't make my life interesting, then like then I guess I'm out. Like, who cares? Yeah. I mean, you really you have to be you have to be. It's a hard job. It's hard to do. You have to be very clever and and funny and authentic. Like you really just have to really be,

and hopefully you have an interesting enough life that you, but if you're not, I always find if you're not really funny, that's when you start like having babies and like, you know. Like when Ramona was trying to say she was pregnant. I'm like, honey, that's menopause. And they were on the yacht, and she's peeing on a stick. I wasn't on that season. You know what, Mariette, we have sex every Tuesday.

And you know what, I don't know. I don't know. I had Avery when I was 40. So now that I'm 54, does it mean? I can't have another. I miss my period. So like, honey, you're in't have another. I miss my period. Yeah. I mean, you're in fairy menopause.

Or full blown. Or full blown at 55. Oh my gosh, this was so fun. Thank you so much. I'm really excited. I want to see your book become a play. I want the play to be a big hit that you're investing in. Thanks for all the scoop.

Did I give you any scoop? I feel like you did. I loved it. Oh, good. Because I Thanks for all the scoop. Did I give you any scoop? I feel like you did. I loved it. Oh, good. Because I like to give you any scoop. And then I spoiled Baby Girl for you and rewrote it. So we got a lot done. Yeah, and then who's going to play me in the Ryan Murphy?

Yes, I want to hear from people. I want to hear. I got a lot of DMs about when that was announced. I didn't even know that. I mean, I don't really think that I'm gonna be part of it. Because- Your character, yes it is. I mean, if it was true, I would be,

but I don't think it's like, it's from the headlines. Do you have any ideas? No, people started DMing me pictures of Miley Cyrus, and I was like, why am I getting all these pictures of Miley Cyrus? Oh. And then, and then I was reading- The only thing is she has such a distinct voice.

Yeah, I mean I don't know anything about it. It's so deep, it's very kind of smoky deep. Yeah, yeah. That I don't think she could pull it off. No, she's much too interesting looking and like interesting. Yeah, but I don't, I was literally, no. But I know, I wanna find a better person

than I think that could get your, that actually has the acting chops to get like your mannerisms down. Oh, okay. I'm gonna find it better person than I think that could get your, that actually has the acting chops to get like your mannerisms down. Oh, okay. I'm gonna find it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Love you. Thanks everyone. Remember, go to Heather McDonnell.net because I'll be in Palm Springs March 1st at the Algo Caliente and you want to get those tickets. Thank you. Bye.