Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Real Housewives’ Producer on Casting, Firing and Female Friendships

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

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Heather McDonald has got the juices scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know she talks Hollywood Tales for real life, Mr. Sigmunds, serial data and serial sisters, you'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. so excited to have a first time Juicy Scoop guest.

Paul Royston, he is a delight. He is adorable. But more importantly, his career has been producing Real Housewife shows in the reality world. And we met many years ago. Yes. And then I rediscovered your cute face telling juicy stories on TikTok. And I'm so glad you're here.

Thanks for coming. I'm honored to be here. I was like, before I start, I had to tell you, you are a part of like my my gay awakening because... Love it. Nothing can be more flattering. Yeah, I was going to say, I hope you appreciate this. When I was growing up, like, one of my favorite books was I'll never blue ball in this town again. Really?

Yes. You read it? Absolutely, I did. Oh, my God. That is so nice. And I wasn't out then, but I'm like, hello. I mean, I'm reading your book. And, like, you know, the straight guys are like, we're going to the football game in high school. I'm like, I'm at home reading Heather McDonald's book. That's amazing. I love that. Yeah, so you were a part of my coming out journey.

So thank you for that. I always love it. I always love it when a cute guy comes up to me at a show and is like, my mom and I used to watch. And I'm like, I hope that mom knew that if your son was 13 and staying up late to watch Chelsea lately and especially loving Heather McDonald, you have a fabulous gay son. There you go. That was our whole environment in our house. And I was like, you literally comment on one of my rules when I went to go see Chelsea at her book signing. and I got fired from my job at the time because Chelsea gave my brother a shout out on the show.

Well, wait, I remember this whole story. You commented on it and you're like, I wish I would have known because I would have given you like a show. I would have said something like on the show. Yeah. I got fired for my job because I called out rightfully so to do this and somebody saw the picture and I got fired from it. Okay, wait. So you had a job. What was the job?

I worked at the Phillies in Philadelphia. The Phillies, if anybody knows that, the baseball team. And I worked like. I think people know the Phillies. I was like, I don't know if your audience, I'm like, you know, the gays, hey, it's the Phillies. It's the, you know, baseball. There's a small baseball team called the Phillies, yeah. Okay, yeah.

And I once worked for them. And I worked like, pitch them and tip them in like the funplex where like the kids would go in there. And I'm like, so I called out one day and some. Saying I'm sick. Yeah, I just, I don't even to go do this book signing at the Philadelphia Free Library with my mom and my brother. Okay. And my brother, we got interviewed. And the interviewer from the Philadelphia Inquirer was like, how is like your son who's 16 and your other son 13 like love Chelsea lately as a mom?

Like you let them stay up and watch it. And that was like the article, right? Like so so scandalous. And it got out there. And then Chelsea gave my brother a shout out on the show at the time. Yes. And I remember that episode. Yes.

And people found out about it. And they were like, well, you weren't out. And I'm like what? So a drunken Delco mom got crazy and ran into the fly. on Plex that day. Like, what really could I've been doing differently that I could not miss this opportunity, right? Like, so yeah, I got fired for that moment. And what a full circle moment to be here now. And now I'm here on Juicy Scoop. I'm honored. So, yeah, so thank you for having me. So let's just get a little history about you. Yeah. After you lost your job. I've come a long way. Did you then go

on to college? Yes. I went to Temple University in Philadelphia. So I stayed there. I grew up in New Jersey. And how did you end up in the reality world? Yeah. So I grew up like watching you on Chelsea lately. I loved like the E news era of E. So I tried to finesse my way any way possible where I was like, I need to get out of New Jersey and I need to get to Hollywood. So my first job was working for E on the live from the red carpet show. And then I was like, okay, I'm finessing my way into the, you know, newsroom. That's a couple floors above because I've always grown up watching it. I grew up with like the Ryan Seacrest, the Juliana Rancic. Love.

Yeah. And it was like such a time. I mean, you know, you literally were there. Oh, it's the best. Yeah. And I'm sad because I miss like the Wilshire building, which I know was where you guys were at. It was just such a, yes. And it was always just where it was.

No, we weren't at the Wilshire building. I would go there for other things. Uh-huh. We were at, we were at a building that we shared with Hulu. Okay. And we're like, Hulu. Like, that's ever going to make it. Like, we were such assholes about this.

That was an Olympic and Bundy. Then she got her new dealer room, moved to Universal. Oh, okay. And we took over the studio that Conan had had. Oh, and then it ended there. But like,

which was better for me because it was closer. But yes, that Wilshire building was where it was. Oh, yeah, and the fashion police. You know, we knew other people that worked on other shows.

And it was a golden era. Now it might come back because it's coming back with the golden life. Yes. And which is interesting that the girls are going all going back to E. And I think that's a smart move because now E is no longer part of Peacom. So who knows? It could be a whole new thing.

Yeah. Well, that's why. It's kind of reinventing itself, I think. Yeah. Well, that's why at that time when I really was like, I want to work there, it was so lively. It was just everything was going on. And then I was at E News. I worked on like Daily Pop and I was like, I feel like this checks a box, but it doesn't

fully check everything. Like I loved pop culture. I loved like reality TV and I was like I need to get like my feet wet and I need to get in here. And I thought being like young and like being in TV, the jump from entertainment news is going to be so easy to get into reality TV. And then like I left that

job at a short stint on like this Lindsay Lohan like post production show for her like short live grease show, whatever that was called. Oh my God, I just talked about that the other day about she had a beach club. Yeah. It was like very short-lived, no good promotion. And it was a one-season wonder.

What was that? Wait, so she moves to Greece or she had, they just gave her a beach club. They just thought you could be like Lisa Vanderpump, but with a beach club. That was the idea. Yeah, it was like, let's do a Vanderpump rules. And there's drama and someone misses their shift or didn't fill the champagne bucket. Yeah, okay, I remember that. You know, big things like that.

So I had this like, you know, gig to work on like a post-clip show to promote it. Yeah. And it was like six weeks. And then after that, it was like crickets. Like I didn't work in anything because I was like, oh my gosh. I have no like you have to start over, you know, working from entertainment news to get into the reality TV world. So I'm just like, okay, this is more of a hustle than I really thought it was going to be. So months go by and my first reality TV credit was Vanderpump Rules. Oh my gosh. Wait, you know what? Let's like jump to Vanderpump Rules. It's not, wasn't my original order. Um, did. This article just came out.

Jacks Taylor, formerly of Vanderpump Rules in the Valley, and Brittany Cartwright, have reached a custody deal with alcohol restrictions. We're all rooting for Brittany. Always. And they're coming back with the Valley. And Lala and she are good friends. I'm good friends with Lala Lala Lala has said Britney's doing great and doing it, you know. And I did not stop following Jacks.

Has he disappeared off of Instagram? I feel like we have not seen him. I was going to say it's been very quiet from what I've seen and like things that have come out. But I always laugh because I feel like he is who, like what you see on the show is who he is in real life. Like the first time that that season that I worked on, it was the season that they got married. Oh, yeah. And I was like, you know, oh, I'm going to go on like all these fabulous trips. And it's going to be like, you know, I don't know, like the beach or something exotic.

and I got flown to the Kentucky Castle for my first. I'm like, oh, okay. And how was that? Oh, I mean. So that was their wedding. Yes, that was their wedding. Now, I do remember there was some controversy about the wedding that caused, that contributed to the cancellation of them and I believe them getting asked to leave the show.

Oh. Which was that their pastor had a, without spoken about maybe not being. as accepting of gay people being married and being part of the church. That's what I recall. I remember that. And the craziest thing was that the week that we were there doing it, it was Lexington Pride. I'm like, I didn't even know Lexington, like, had a pride. And I remember I went out with one of my crew members.

But was it a good pride? Was it fun? I mean, we're going to support, you know, the community. But is it like West Hollywood, where they go all out? No, not necessarily. but I remember just the irony of that happening with like the family and like you know all the things with the pastor and then I'm like we're here and this is Lexington Pride but no then they didn't they didn't have the pastor right they didn't they decided they had Lance Bass then yes because Lance that was the big like he came in that season he was at the wedding but yeah I remember now that you're saying it that was like a thing that came out where like everybody was like do they do it do they move forward with this person like what yeah yeah um But yeah. Was the wedding fun? Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, you know, you go into these shows and you think like you're going to be like a part of it or like get to enjoy it. And I mean, you're sweating your ass off. I'm like, my armpits are sweating. I got ass cracks wet. Like, you know, I'm here doing this and you're watching it from above and you're like, okay, it looks beautiful. But you know, you're not in the mix. So in that time your job, you are like what hustling the talent, taking notes on the scenes. Like what? What is it like to be a reality show? show like producer. Yeah. So for that I was a segment producer. So like there's, you know, so many.

There's you got talent, segment field. For this particular show, I was a segment producer. And, you know, what you do is usually clear location. So I remember like that first time on Vanderpump Rules, I like, it was my first location and we did it at El Campadre. And I remember they were like, you know, the crew, the crew showed up at the wrong location. Like, what are we going to do? We got to scramble and like, you know, this is my first one. You're like, shit, what do I do? Like, so it's things like that for segment where it's like, you know, you got to make sure that like the crew's in there. They're getting, you know, everything set up. You know, the talent's good and stuff. But for the Kentucky Castle, there wasn't really much for me to do at that point because

I already, you know, I had a supervising segment producer and actual segment producer above me. And then I was kind of bottom of the food chain. But I remember, you know, just kind of going along with the flow and like just seeing what was happening but I always laughed because um that was like the first time that I tried to open up my relationship when I went on Vanderpump rules what do you mean open up like I was with my boyfriend and you were like let's have an open relationship like we could yeah yeah so and I remember I was like not really into it but I'm like okay you know as a gay I feel like it's a right of passage that you need to do this right like let's do it so I ended up going on Grindr.

you know, you're in this hotel room by yourself. And I start talking to this guy. And this guy's very, like, aggressive. And he's asking about, like, my boyfriend at the time. And I ended up fine to come out that he ended up finding my boyfriend that I was dating. And my boyfriend and him at the time were having, like, a secret thing on the side because this guy found me on social media while I was in Kentucky. And him and my boyfriend had, like, this little, like, a fair, like, like, sexting, like social. while I was in Kentucky for this.

So I'm like, just like the irony of like the gay, a whole pastor thing to tie it back. I'm like, this was how my journey went. Because I'm like, you know, it gets lonely when you're on set sometimes and you're in the field. And I was younger. They are broken up. Now we all watched it from home.

And you want to root for them. I liked them both separately and everything. but the girl saw, poor Britney, saw the whole experience happen when he slept with the other girl, Faith, and it all came out. Oh, yeah. And, you know, rotten hell. And so, you know, is there, was there any, like, any doubt that it's over with anybody being, like, rolling their eyes at this wedding or was everybody, like, bells on, this marriage is going to last forever?

I mean, I feel like I remember the consensus of, like, the cast, like, the peers, like, you know, know, there, because I remember there was one time when I worked with, we were doing something at Hyde on sunset. And I was segment producer for it. And Jacks came in. And it was like, you know, man, everyone thinks that, you know, we're against gay people. Like, I love gay people. There's gay people on my wedding.

And I'm like, I love that he's saying it to like the one gay guy that's on the crew and it's me. And I'm just like, yeah. Like, you know, I totally see it. You know, I never got any vibes that they were homophobic. You know, like they're not. No, absolutely not. I was just, oh, hey.

my pastor and nobody bothered to go let me just make sure that you know that you I could see why you didn't a lot of people that aren't famous that are getting married I was at a wedding yeah and it was like a family whatever adjacent wedding and the pastor literally was saying kind of very non-inclusive stuff yeah yeah and some of the other like like we all had tension because we're like I'm bothered, but then also I'm like, I know my kids are going to be bothered. I know the cousins are bothered. Like, and we're all like, this is, what are you supposed to do? Yeah. And I don't even think that the bride and groom, like, thought about the whole thing of what that could be like. Yeah. So young people getting married, you know, it's an important thing. Like,

just make sure that you're, because I don't think it had, no, of course, I don't think either one of them are at all homophobic at all. No, definitely not. And I mean, I think it's public knowledge because the mom was very like, Brittany's mom on the show was like, are you getting, like, I think she like schooled Jacks on one of the episodes. Do you remember that where she was like. Asked Jacks if he was gay? Yeah, remember when Jacks had like the got older, yes. And that came up at one point. And I remember like while we were filming, you know, there was issue, because it was Lexington Pride. I remember some people of her family like didn't want to film at certain places because of it being so close to the gay Pride Festival. Oh. So, I mean, and when I think about that, I just, when you're there in Lexington, I mean, in Kentucky, I'm like, can you, I mean, you can't fault, you can fault these people for thinking that way, but like, you can't blame her. Right. That her family is like that because, I mean, when you look around, you're like, yeah, it makes sense why these people cannot be so open and understanding. Right. And you can't control everybody that goes to your wedding or everyone that's in your family or what they put on their front lawn.

You know what I mean? It's just like, yeah, I totally see that. But it sounds like she'll be thriving and, yeah, I don't know. I hope Jacks is doing better. I don't know what he is doing. I mean, I thought maybe he, maybe he'll be coming back and doing appearance. It doesn't sound like he's in this season at all. That's what it sounded like to me too.

Like I, that he's just completely out, not in the picture. And it's just. And not filming or anything. Yeah. But I don't think that will, hopefully that won't be forever. No. You know, I'm like thinking, if he does get it together and maybe she has a boyfriend and he comes and is supportive of the boyfriend hanging out with Cruz and then they could move him back in. I mean, he is just a very entertaining person to watch.

Well, there's also something. Even when he's, you know, mad. Yeah, like, it's just like, yeah, you just can't believe he's just such a character, you know. Well, there's always something funny. I mean, I guess it's not funny. but to me it's like there's always like a circle of life on these shows, right? Like Stasi, she was thrive, like that season that I worked on thriving, you know, she had, I remember saying to her like, oh my gosh, you're having the best year ever.

Like, you know, she got engaged. She had the book tour. She was getting a spin off, I think, or like podcast series or something. And then she ended up getting canceled, right? And then it kind of just completely won a skew. And then we didn't see her for a little bit. And then now she's kind of back up and it's like taking accountability. She's moved forward.

I think, you know, she's apologized for. Jacks, I feel like the same thing. Like we saw a really dark side of him. Things kind of hit rock bottom. And then I feel like now he's going to kind of disappear. And then at some point he'll come back around. What do you think about James Kennedy? Do you think we'll hear from him again?

I, I, the last thing that I saw, what was the, there was a big thing that happened with? He was with his girlfriend and there was an accountability. that there was a domestic violence call. And she, he was not charged with anything formally. And she, she did not press charges. They did break up. Yes. But the account that was told to the cop, which got out to the press, was enough to

make, I think, everybody just be like, there's too many other things. His relationship with Kristen Doty, there were other stories with Raquel. Rachel Raquel. And so, you know, and he was really out of height of a thing. Yeah. I saw him the night that that happened. Oh, you did.

And he was, is Kathy Hilton's, like, Christmas party through DirecTV. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he was, you know, very excited about all the, all the opportunities coming up. He's pitching shows. He's doing this.

The DJ careers popping. Invited us to, you know, he had like a residency. I mean, I don't, I don't, he's another one that I don't know if I stopped falling. longer or I don't think I did, but I just don't see it like in the cycle of things, you know, and well, see, that's the thing too is like you're hot, you're such a hot commodity. That's why I always think it's so interesting. It's like when you're popping and like you are, you know, in thriving on one

reality show or an unscripted project, like people are going to find ways to like pimp you out in other ways, right? Like you're going to get the podcast deal. You're going to get a spinoff series. So I always just think it's so interesting how some. I mean, granted, domestic violence is a very serious thing. But like, you know, when you are at that height of it, you know, you said that he's pitching all these shows. You get so much momentum. But then as soon as one thing goes wrong, it's like you're forgotten about. You know, Jacks, we don't see James Kennedy. Same thing. It's just like you go completely off the radar. No one will touch you. I'm not an astronaut. I don't need an astronaut. Audiences have spoken. Project Hail Mary is an awe-inspiring masterpiece. So I met an alien If you've fallen out of love with going to the movies This one will bring you back

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He was just don't watch for him's live Yeah, traitors was the best thing for him. Totally. Because I think when you get out of like, when you see people like Lisa Rinnah on traders, you know what I mean? There's something Candice on traders.

Like you get to see them in a different light than being in that type of pressure cooker and environment. And I feel like it, you get to see more of like a silly side or maybe not a side where you're like going in and you're like, oh, I got my boxing gloves on bitch. Like we're going at it at each other.

The traders is such a weird, simple, yet fast, great. Yeah. I don't know why. It's just such a great. It's so great. And there's House of Villains and things like that. But it's just not for me hitting like the traitors.

I hope that people are thinking of other type of shows like that. Yeah. That can really make it so fun for these former big reality stars to still kind of stay relevant and show what made them famous. Like, I would like to see Jacks or James Kennedy on the traders. Yeah. Like, to me, that would be interesting. I'm so happy you're saying that because I just met with somebody who was a network

exec and I was saying how I love an underdog, like a one-season wonder or somebody who just kind of fell off and you like to see them kind of pop back up. And I always am trying to find, you know, being in the unscripted world, I'm always like, how can you find these type of people who maybe like haven't had big momentum, but you want to see how they would be in a different format, like kind of what we're talking about. And the problem is, is, you know, people are like, well, they have the traders. That's where these people who kind of, you know, go into oblivion kind of can revamp their career. But I'm like, there's something different where I would love to see like you have these OG people like, you know, Teresa, Nimi, you know, people who Bethany.

What do you think about just doing like a trader's? or type of traitors for me I don't watch the challenge and the survivors anymore and I get that they mix them all up and also that might make it fun

because it was like oh the housewives are gonna have and when they're like the housewives are gonna have each other's back I'm like when they've never had each other's back why would they have each other's back from a different even franchisor season

like if they can't have their own cities back like who but like for me I would I think it would be more it would be fun just to see it with Bravo. Bravo should be working on shows like a Traders, but just for Bravo past talent. Well, because I think there's a lot, like these one season wonders that go on Housewives, right?

Like, where are they? You know, I want to know what they're doing. Like, I want to see if they're down and out and they're losing paychecks and they can't, you know, live the same life that they used to. Like, those are the type of people that I'm like, oh, it'd be really interesting. You see the people who have built an entire career off of it, like a Nini or Teresa or. Bethany, like I was saying. And then you see the people who literally have no momentum. They have no star power. And they haven't had that same kind of luck.

So I'm always like, oh, right. But then there'll be something negative that follows them forever. Like, sadly, on Real House, I suppose see Lynn Curtin's daughter is really struggled. And some buddy with an iPhone found her. And, you know, and then I think that person, God bless you. lesson, but I also feel like that could be a little unsavory. Like she keeps going back to her and Landcaster. Yeah. And being like, well, we're trying to get you some money.

And I'm like, okay, so you're collecting the money, whoever's doing the phone. And then we're supposed to believe you're giving it to Lynn Curtin's daughter to stay in this gross hotel. Like the whole thing. And then people are like, no, Lynn's trying to help her. And then she ended up doing an interview. And, you know, when she tells her story, she's like, I was 15 or sister, we were like 15, 16 when the show started. on the show, we're actively drinking. They showed that in the original episodes. We get evicted the same week that my mom is getting a facelift.

They end up getting divorced. It's just, yeah, of course, that is such a vulnerable time for a teenager. And at that time, there wasn't social media, but they were also like one of two shows. Like so of this So there was a lot more eyes on the show And then to have it go and be able to repeat over and over While she's down and out and struggling with addiction I mean that's the part where it's like

I know well that's the thing right like do viewers really want to watch that Like no you know yeah And that's kind of like the Mary Cosby of it all with Salt Lake City You know with people talking about like oh is it too soon for people to pick up cameras and start putting them in your face when you're going through something as serious as that. I've always viewed housewives as like escapism. But then for me, I like, you know, where things are real, because I think the big thing that I always say now is like on the casting side, you can see when people are coming in and they know I got to check this off the list.

I got to act this way. I got to show up this way. I got to flaunt this type of lifestyle. all. And when I know it's so tragic and dark, but like that is real life, right? Like you're getting to see a real emotion. You're getting to see real things unfold. And that to me is kind of what. I think it's a really hard thing. Because as the talent, as Mary Crosby, there's two ways to look at it. One is I'll just not share this and go mourn by myself, which sounds awful. or I'll use this opportunity to shed a life on this epidemic and also be busy. You know, a lot of people after a tragedy, they want to go back to work. They want to, you know, because they're like, I don't want to just be left at home to, like, wallow in my bed.

Like, I need to, like, get up and do other things. So, I mean, it's one of those things. I don't think anyone can judge. And as long as she wants to do it and is unboggles. bored to do it, then I think it's, you know, if she's going to do it, then I don't think they should say, no, you can't or you have to do it. You sign a contract. Like, and I'm sure that it was a mutual agreement to share this part of her life. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think of like when I have worked as like a talent producer on these shows, like I always felt conflicted in those moments. I mean,

granted, nothing ever as serious as that. But when, you know, a housewife, like, you know, a housewife, comes to you and your job is to like build a relationship and really like, you know, develop trust and understanding. It's very like conflicting, I feel when they come to you because they know they can trust you. You're this outlet. You have all these cooks in the kitchen and they're like, you're the one person that I can go to and divulge this information. And sometimes, you know, it's your job to like navigate, okay, do we put this on camera? Do we show this to the world or do I respect this person's wishes, you know, telling me, hey, this is between me and you. I'm just trying to like, you know, I feel like, I feel like the relationship between a housewife and her

real housewife producer is the traitors. It's basically the traitors. Can I trust you? Got you a traitor? Are you faithful? Are you truly my, well, that's a test. Yeah. Are you truly my friend as my producer? Or are you really Annie Cohen's best friend? Like, what do you, like that's such an interesting position to be in and I've always thought a great scripted show would be something fictional like Housewives behind the scenes and the star would be

a producer who's gets because every season could be like a different thing and they get caught into it and I always believe if like I mean I don't know how much the networks would want the cameras to really showcase those things and but like the castings part of it, the talent producing, like that's a series in itself, right? Yeah. Like I mean, how conflicting is it, you know, if somebody's sitting there saying like, hey, I, you know, I know this woman's really struggling, you know, her husband's cheating on her. I know this is happening. You know, she's my best friend. I don't want to put that out there. She's telling me this now and I'm sitting there like, okay, I really love this person who I've developed a relationship with. But if she says this and that other castmate is going to know,

that it was her that said it, right? Because she's the only one that's privy to it. And then that demises their friendship. Then that comes on me that I betrayed someone. It's just like so messy. Now, in protecting you in your position, so hypothetically. Yeah, hypothetically. This is the situation.

Maybe not you. Yeah. But would other producers figure out a way to get that juicy information out there without jeopardizing the relationship where the one housewife is like, I can't believe you told. Like, I think, you know, we've seen it like with New Jersey, where it would be, all of a sudden, Teresa would go, well, I heard a rumor that what was the girls, what was the,

Oh, Jackie Goldshniger, yeah. She's on in the photo. I heard that Jackie's, you know. Her, Evan was cheating. Evan was messing around with the gym. Yeah, yes. Which I'm like, at the gym, I immediately thought this is a double juicy scoop. Uh-huh.

Because I just thought like gay shit, right? You're at a gym. I didn't think, oh. I didn't think hitting on a girl or helping her do her squats. I just immediately thought like, you know, old school. You're on grinder in a hotel room in Kentucky. Or the sauna is like, okay. Like, I don't know what happened.

So I was like, oh my God, I kept up saying that. Well, it was just a rumor. Well, where did the rumor start, you know? And then sometimes as a cast memory, where you're, like, okay, so now to get the story off of you, or you have no storyline, at any moment, so I kind of want to know what you guys think as that. At any moment, I go to the dinner party. I've been on the show for five years. It's the real housewives of, you know, West Lake Village. And I go and I sit down and I'm like, I mean, I had a rumor that Sasha's husband was, scene with like a really young gay guy in Porta Varda. Yeah. So that you would most likely have already, like if you're a talent producer, you're already

talking to them about like, hey, we're going to try to get this scene with you, you know, at here, X, Y, Z with this amount of people, whatever. So at that point, if they know that they're going into that scene, like, they're going to be like, oh, and they're mine, it's going to be like, am I going to bring this up then, right? Like, is this going to be the moment that I'm going to unfold and drop that bomb? Okay. So now here's the hypothetical. Yeah.

I go do that, okay, and I tell another girl that, that this other person who's ready on the show, I had a rumor he has a little gay boyfriend, okay? And they were in Port of Artite together. And that girl kind of knows it's true, okay? But she's like, my friend is fine with him having a secret gay lover, but this would destroy her family, the conservative relatives. She wants to stay married.

The little gay lover does her hair extensions for free. She doesn't want this out there. She might like that. She doesn't want this out there. She does not care. She doesn't want to fuck the husband. She's glad he's gay. Like whatever, but she doesn't want to out this out there.

And so then that girl goes, Bravo, bravo, fucking bravo. So, excuse me, and she gets up and she goes to you guys and she's like, cut. Do not put that in. Now what do you do now? See, well, they're airing that shit because that's on camera. So she's already, if you're blowing up and you're making that, like, then now they're going to die deep. Oh, yeah, now they're diving deeper.

Yeah. If I'm somebody who they're just telling me on the phone and they're like, you know, kind of giving me tidbits, that's for me to say, okay, is this something we can push forward? Is this something that feels like there's holes in it? Yeah. It's not adding up. Because sometimes also, like you got to remember, if you're on camera and like you're watching a wife and a husband and their chemistry is completely fucked and they're not like

intimate or they're not seeing each other, you're going to be like, okay, we're a producer. Like, we're going to start pushing holes in this and seeing what's going on here. But if on camera you're showing up making it look like it's the best thing in the world, but somebody knows something that the producers don't know, then that opens up a whole other can of worms. For that example, though, you're seeing that, so you're going to push that further, right? Like, you're going to dive in and now get to the bottom of it.

If you're coming in saying, bravo, bravo. I don't you wish that was a real storyline? That's so good. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm sure that, honestly, I'm sure that there has been that. We just haven't seen it. I mean, there's been a couple questionable relationships on that show and throughout the cities. But, yeah, I mean, for me, it's just hard.

Like I always felt like so empathetic because I'm like, oh, I love these women. Yeah. They show up. They give us their all for the most part, a majority of them. They're coming in. They know it's a paycheck. They're dedicated to it for the most part. And, you know, when they start to feel like you're their outlet because if they tell

X, Y, Z on the show, they know it's going to become a storyline. So it's like that hard balance where I'm like, oh, you're their friend, but then you're also like, you know, their coworker. And it's like, how do you navigate that balance? of not putting their shit out there and losing their trust. The whole job for that particular role is building trust within somebody, right? Field producers. How does someone like, is there a training process for what you do?

No. There isn't somebody who's like. No, you're getting thrown into the wall. Yeah. Yeah, you just kind of figure it out and you kind of develop your own style. Yeah. I've gone through field producing, segment producing, casting, producing, development producing, all of the above.

And I feel like you never get a full, like, okay, let's have a, you know, a training manual that you're not, no, you're getting like thrown into, I mean, even casting, right? I mean, there's things where, you know, I've had women, you know, someone say hypothetically is telling me, I mean, I put this out on social media, but, you know, one of the shows I was casting for, you know, a woman was referring her friend to come on the show. And this woman told me, like, hey, one of my children is not my husband's biological. child, but, you know, this is something that we're not going to talk about. It's just off, you know, camera. She referred to a friend and her friend is now putting that information out there to try

to get on the show and make it a storyline. I'm like, that is so fucked because that is like your girl. That's your best friend, right? So I'm like, it just examples like that, like, you know, people know what they're doing. It's, it's very hard to navigate that, but. So the friend was like, I have this nugget. Yeah, yeah. And I'm jealous of my friends. friend who's a regular on the show and I want to get on it. So if you have me on it, I will throw this nugget bomb at a luncheon. Or if like, you know, this is going to be, I'm letting you know this because maybe this could be a future story that could unfold.

So is that a problem too in that the audience after 20 years who also might want to be cast members have become so savvy and sophisticated that they're coming and they're whatever, being secret bloggers like Monica Von T's. What was that? Reality Vantis. Yeah, Reality Vantes on Real House of Salt Lake City and like, you know, maneuvering their way into it or giving info to secret bloggers or they're the secret

blogger. Oh, yeah. Does that make it harder or better? I mean, at this point, does that help storyline that we're in this situation? Does it help? I mean, I personally don't like it because it's been done so much. now. I'm like if you're going to do like it's like the binder at the reunions. It's like if you're

going to come here like give me Kenya more Scepter at least. You know like that was something different. Like now I hate the same song and dance repeating. So I'm like, listen, I'm not going to stop someone's hustle and get their bag. Like if you're trying to come on the show, just be quicker and savvy about it. If you're going to do something we've already seen, no, that's boring. Like I had in, you know, we were casting for a show and one of the women found out one of the girls in town was on the show. She gets my number somehow. Being a casting producer, I guess it's just now out there. And she's like lambasting this cast member on the show saying, if you want to know X, Y, Z, she's a fraud. And to me, it's like, I get she's mad, but, and she probably thinks it's her way of getting on a show,

but it's tasteless because I'm like, you're doing something that we've already seen. Like, you're bad-mouthing somebody saying they're a fraud. They cheat on their husband, they're scammer. It's like, come up with something better, you know? Like, I'm just like, give me something. something more. Like, come up better than, come up with anything better than a grifting cheater, gold digger, because we already did that. Yeah.

And just kind of like telling the cast. Are they a vampire? Yeah. Like, give me something fresh. Like, do they take their head off at night and replay, like what, you know, what are they, like, what are they doing? I just need something more than this. Like, and, um, yeah, I, I'm not mad at that.

I think, like, if somebody's truly not, uh, forthcoming and they, you know, do have skeletons in the closet, you know what you're signing up for too. That's a thing. Like on these shows, I always say like, look, you're coming on these shows.

You're doing it. I just said this recently. It's like, you know, I've talked to like a billionaire's wife on the show, like to see if they would go on it. Like,

if you really want to be on this type of show, you know what you're getting yourself into. You know what you're signing up for. And it's a huge platform. And I think people, whether they have money or not, they want to do it for the fame. and, you know, these people will sell other people down the river because they're like,

well, I want my ticket. I want to get on the show. So I always think the behind the scenes of like all the casting stuff and just the trying to get on the show and the tactics like that to me is just so interesting because it, you have to be so calculated to do that kind of stuff. So it's just so it's crazy to me. You guys know I'm so busy, but there's nothing that bothers me more than when I open up the fridge and I want to cook something at home.

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not very eventful. Yeah, a little bit. I will always watch these women. I'm always like down. what do you do when just not a lot's happening with the cast amongst each other and also not a lot of exciting things are happening in the in the people's lives. I mean, sometimes you have at 50, you have kind of a smooth year. And this is about your life. Sorry I'm not remodeling my house.

Sorry my mother hasn't been dying. My husband's not cheating. Yeah, my husband's not cheating. I'm not getting divorced. You know, my kids are fine. No, my husband's gay secret lover is not adding hair extensions into my hair. Yes. Like literally, my other side career is non-existent.

I'm not doing Halloween 52. Like what? Halloween 52. Like, I'm still separated from Mauricio on the fourth year. Oh, I have strong opinions on this. So let's hear. Yeah, yeah. So tell me.

So meaning and so when you said, like what do you do in those situations? This to me all comes back to casting, right? Yeah. This show is hard to cast. I've worked on this. I've cast it on the show before. Beverly Hills particularly.

Yeah. Okay. It's hard to cast because the caliber is these women need to check a lot of boxes. You're in L.A. and Beverly Hills. You represent wealth, affluentness. Entertainment. Yes. Everyone's a little bit.

Besides Sutton, even I feel like Bose being that she was an executive. I mean, everybody on this cast throughout the years are like either entertainment, Hollywood, or entertainment adjacent. Oh, yeah. She, and I mean, perfect example. She's smart. Which one? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, you come on this show and look, she's on a show with Jimmy Fallon now.

She's building this whole brand. Like, that to me is the calculation of being smart when you're on a platform like this, right? I feel like it comes down to casting because we just got to accept that the women of Beverly Hills, they're not friends. Like they really aren't. Like when you watch Salt Lake, you're like, these girls love each other.

Like there's something there where they're connected, right? I've been watching, I watch just as much as I work on it. I'm a consumer of it. And I was like, have the last three episodes just been like three girls

filming in the Hamptons by themselves? Yeah. Every scene is like someone just face timing because the producers are like, okay, let's get a scene where it makes it look like you guys are communicating still. Yeah.

Because it just feels so disjointed. Then I feel like Amanda's just in her. house by herself and like everybody hates her and I'm like what is that like what is going on it just is like no one's connected at all yes and I think that's what's really hard because you want to have a boom moment you want to have a Lisa Rina or Garcell you want to have a Rachel Zoh stole my fucking house like you know like you want to have those one to have the star power of bringing those type of women in their heavy hitters they represent Beverly Hills but when Rachel Zoh doesn't know

anybody in the cast and it feels disjointed. It's like, well, yeah, that's why nobody's, no fights are really happening. So I would say if I was a producer, now I'm having to deal with casting decision on that. Now it falls on me to be like, okay, what is the story, right? What can we bring out of these women? What is actually happening? And it's how much those women are willing to go there and put out there. That's why I said, like, people are hating on Amanda.

I kind of like her because I'm like. I mean, without Amanda, this show would really be struggling. I like a girl that comes in and is like just making people mad for just being them. Like, I love a delusional housewife. I love somebody who's all manifestation whatnot. But yeah, without her, there would be nothing. I mean, but I do think it is interesting and relatable that, you know, at one time, you know, Maricio and Kyle and P.K. and Dorit had this great forsome friendship that we saw. This was the couples.

And this happens in life. Not only do one of them break up, but you all break up. But then Kyle and Mauricio are having their cake and eating it too and eating each other. I mean, they're just staying married, getting along like, you know, half brother and sister or something. And then people are just like getting mad that she's not filing or whatever. And I'm like, listen, she doesn't want to split up the houses. Why would she? He doesn't.

Yeah, why would she? Why would he, when he can have another apartment, show up at all the houses, be good with the daughters, fuck young women. Yeah. And just go, hoo, who, who, and show up on the show and, like, laugh. And she doesn't seem to care because she's probably been checked out for years. And now she bought a place in Tennessee. Listen, he's not getting divorced because he makes his rounds being married to her. He's been on Real Housewives of Potomac.

He's been on, I'm like, it's like, it's a great. And I just think you're like, you know, yeah, why would you have? I mean, I always said they're not going to get divorced until one of them truly falls in love. And that lover partner is like, pull the trigger and do that. Yeah. Like, we're not doing this anymore. And that's why I think the whole like secret of love affair with Morgan Wade had to be a secret of love affair because they were. getting divorced.

Yeah. And, you know, and now she's just like, okay, well, I'll, you know, walk around and I'll talk about Dorit and Pek, which in real life, you would be talking about Doreet and P.K. With your friends. Yeah, of course. 100%. Your friends are, your close friends going through divorce. Someone gets up from the table and you're like, oh, do you like her new boyfriend?

He wouldn't be for me. I mean, I live this life without cameras. Yeah, yeah. That's what she would do. So it's like, oh, well, you shouldn't be talking about that. Well, that's, that is reality. And like, if it's not juicy enough for you, I think it's, I think you can, what's good is that even though it's like a simple storyline, it's not, you stole my goddamn hell if someone's going to rehab. But it is like, gives us people at home to go, is, should Kyle shut the fuck up?

Yeah. Is Kyle actually being concerned for her friend, which I believe? Does she even like to read it all? should Doreet be annoyed that they're talking about her or not. I mean, I just kind of feel like do you, like I'm over kind of the story. I get why we get over the storyline. But that's where I feel like it's such a hard job. Because as someone who loves it as a fan also makes it part of my content and talks about it.

I all, I sympathize with the producers. I sympathize with the lady at home who's bored. I sympathize with the person who's living life who's like, again, I'm sorry, it's my life. Do you want me to create something? Do you want me to file for divorce when I really don't want to? It would not serve me at this time in my life.

Maybe in two years I will. Maybe in 10 years I will. Maybe I never will. Maybe we'll be grandparents together and call it a fucking day. I don't know. Well, that's why I think it's such a tricky show, right? Because I think if you lose, I'm like looking back

and I'm like going through each one. I'm like, well, so if you lose Kyle, you can't lose Kyle. Because at this point, it would feel like nothing is there, right? Right. It would just feel empty. But the thing is now what I realized over time in just the way that the housewives has been, you know, moving forward is that they want to skew younger. Because when you look at it now, Sutton, she's not married.

She doesn't have her kids really on the show. I mean, who else is on it now? You have Amanda who fits what they are looking for because she's got younger kids. And she's like 40. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You see more of that.

Erica, you don't see. She has, her kids never been on the show. She's not married. You don't even see the guy that she's dating. Derreet, her kids are in it, but she's not married anymore. Rachel Zoe. I just realized, we haven't seen the kids in it this season. I don't know if that's something they agreed together.

I haven't really seen, I don't think they have. She talks about them, but I feel like we don't see them. Not that we need to see them, but, you know. Well, that's the thing is that with these shows. It's like, well, then what is it? It's just that they don't have real, like, when you fall in love with housewives, it's because you had access inside their home. You got to see their day to day waking up, taking the kids.

Yeah, like, I remember one of the first years with Kyle. And when I had Kyle in my show, I remember I said this. And at the time, you know, I had little kids. And I just remember she's putting Porsche to sleep who's like two and a half. And when you have a little kid like that, you know, they lay down with me, Mommy. And she's having a party. and she wants to get back to the party. And so she's like laying there and she's like rolling out of the bed down the hallway

so that the kid doesn't wake up. And that's funny and like so relatable. Yes, exactly. You know what I mean? It's like. And the problem is is when the kids start not being on the show anymore, you're, I mean, I'm not a mom or a woman so I can't speak on it, but you could, I mean, you're like changes. Like you're not at home as much maybe.

You're not as involved in those type of day-to-day things. So what do you have going? on your life, well, you know, not much. So it's like, yeah, how hard is that for a producer to try to pull those things out of it, right? I mean, I just feel like for this particular city, it's been kind of the same storyline. Do you think like the merging of like, like, I feel like for the good cities that are like the city is also a character like New York and Beverly Hills where you just won't get tired of it because you see these beautiful city? Like, do you think they'll ever be a time where they kind of just do Beverly? Hills and they keep OGs and women at that age and then it's like Beverly Hills 2.0.

I don't know. I think the route that they're going to go forward more is new cities, new cities because I think you get, it's less money for the women. Because everyone's starting off at a lower pay rate. Yeah. Less money. And it's a way to skew younger in terms of getting to see, you know, you like, you know Kyle and you love Kyle because you grew up watching her, right? Right. So it's like, I've watched her kids grow up. When you see Portia's like, 21 years old taking shots at the bar now, I'm like, you're like, oh my gosh, I remember when she was in a diaper on the show, right? Right.

So you're like, holy shit. So you feel very connected to the, you know, as an audience member watching it. So I think my take would be, oh, new cities fall in love with new people and they start to build momentum. I mean, Salt Lake had like, you know, a rough start, I think, you know, in terms of the fan base. And then it took a couple years for it really to pop. but I foresee that happening with new cities and new... New cities popping like Salt Lake. Yeah, yeah.

I think it just makes more sense. I mean, it's a brand. Anytime you see the Real Housewives stamped on it, you're going to watch it. Right. So let's talk about ladies of London. There's just two episodes out. I think it airs right after Real House shows Beverly Hills, I think. Yeah, yeah.

So there's two out. I'm obsessed. It was brilliant the way they marketed this. So I'm giving Bravo props like I always do, though I wish I'd get some props back. Who do we got to talk to to get that for you? I don't know. Andy, I turned out to watch what happens live. And Bose was on next to, I'm learning everyone's name.

This girl with a pony. Micah. Oh, Micah, yes. She's the one that Derek is, they had the falling out. Right. And so right when it starts, Andy goes, now when was the last time you talked to, Dara, and she never came back to the show. Is it Dara or Dara? I'm saying Dara. I think it's Dara, right?

I don't know. And she's never coming back to the show. And, no, she's not in the poster. And I immediately go, oh, my God, London started airing. I didn't even know. I immediately went over to Peacock and watched those two episodes because I'm like, something went down where a cast member left after two episodes. Like, I was like, that is juicy.

So I watched the two episodes. And, you know, this, they're not calling it real housewives. Do you know why? Because there is a Real Housewives of London. And they didn't, they just want to start fresh? Yeah, well, because I think for them, in the culture that we're kind of living in, most shows that are breaking through are shows that either have original IP of some sort, right? Like you already are familiar with it. Okay.

I always say, like, the only thing in my mind that has really stuck out in its own form is Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because that's just like lightning in a bottle on a show, right? But like these shows like, ladies of London, you're always. already familiar because you know that there was already a series on Bravo before. So you're kind of like, oh, let's see what it looks like. So that is my take of why. It's just a ladies of London. Also, I think a ladies. So the ladies of London, so that could be, we could now do ladies of Chicago.

Yeah. We could do ladies of. I think it's brilliant because so many times they're not housewives. They're not married. They're not straight. And now we actually have a man on the show who is, I think, the star of the show, kind of the anchor because he's friends with everybody. He's a producer. He's a producer.

Oh, I'm just like, you could just tell us a cast. Like, he knows, like, he's like, hey, let's drive this story. And so, and I think that's the way it should go. I think if real housewives, I think should stay a cast of women. I mean, I think some things, we just. They're not broke, don't fix it. We just got to have. But I like this Ladies of London thing where it's just, it's predominantly still women, but a guy doesn't just have to be the best friend that comes in and out.

Like he can actually be a real person because he really is hanging out with these women and everything. And of course he's so funny and everything. I feel like they used to do that back in the day on Housewives. I mean, the gay wasn't like the focal point. You remember like on Real Housewives of Atlanta? they had like the, like those two guys. Yeah, they had, oh my gosh, it was, oh my gosh, it was going to say. One had cheekbones and one.

Dwight. Yeah. It was Dwight, Eubanks. And then it was like the hairdresser that was like. Miss Lawrence. Yes. Whatever. Yeah.

And so, but this, but I kind of, this was a really good casting. And, you know, I've never even been to London. But again, gorgeous, gorgeous city. Yeah. So there's a lot to look at. So it just kind of transformed. supports you into a beautiful place. And these people are different.

It's fun. And there's a handful, like half as American, which I also like. I can't tell who's who, but I was like, I don't even need to know who's who because if you have a premiere like that was, I'm like, I'm just locked in and I'm going to figure it out along the way. Right. And I was confused in the beginning between the two older women, one that lives with a bird and one that looks like she has smeared lipstick.

Kimmy and Margo. Yeah, those are those two. Yeah, Kimmy and the Green, right? So I'm like, those two are interchangeable. Yeah. Then there's three brunette, like, model actresses. Missy, I like her. That's the, the one who blew the whistle on Dar.

I like her. She's gorgeous. You know, and then there's this beautiful black woman who looks like Tandy Newton, who has, you know, some type of royalty. I don't even care if she's boring. Yeah. I just like to look at her and I like her outfits and I like that she, like, lives in a castle.

Anyway. the Micah story. So now I'm going to blow up the Micah story for you. So too bad, but you know, you can watch it. So Micah has this friend and she's American and she is kind of an influencer that's talking about etiquette. And she has this friend who she's like, oh my God, we're your best friends in college and she's this beautiful Asian woman. We don't even know her name Dara Dara. And she's actually an architect. And they are cutting it so brilliantly where the Dara girl is like, I barely knew Micah in college. We're not really friends.

And then they have this blow-up scene where it's called out at the dinner that Dara has called Micah Cringe and like been kind of nasty about her. And she just basically goes, this isn't for me. And gets up and like it leaves the show. I mean, it's like, it's great. I mean, because now I'm like, oh, we're still not even in the story. Like the two episodes are just about this. Yeah. No spoiler alert.

But yeah, I mean, it completely takes a complete term because now we're like, oh, that wasn't even fully getting into the story. That's like now one and done. Like we're over that. I related to the Dara because I'm like, if I was cruel and talked shit about my friend and was called out on it on camera and I didn't need to do this job, I think I might do the same thing. I might be like, just get me out. People will forget about it. And people will. If this becomes a hit, people aren't going to remember that girl in a year or two.

You don't think so? No, I don't. And then, but what I thought was really crazy in this day and age of Epstein Files is that the rumor they drop in the first episode is that same woman, Dara, who is a bitch to Micah, is a madam. Yes, she's an alleged mystery. Yes. And a madam. Now, this could be funnier 10 years ago. Yeah.

When there was the happy hooker and there were the girls that were hooker lights like I used to talk about and there was the Heidi Fleiss. But now it's all negative. Yeah, yeah. It's all not. One person wants to be a hooker unless they're on only fans and they do it themselves. Everyone's trafficked. We never used the word trafficked before. So it's just like, if she's being accused of this.

like setting people up. Well, it's a time that it's like you want to watch how you for, yeah, you're saying it. Yeah. And I'm like, oh my God. And then the fact that that Darrow woman like was like, well, it's not true. So I don't. Well, that's the thing too is that I said, see when that's that first of all, great casting. Because I mean, to me, I'm like, somebody had to reveal that there was, you know, suspicion that she was an alleged madam.

If that's already coming out like the first one or two episodes. Right. So like that to me is great casting. But for this, I think that's the problem is like running away from the cameras and doing that. Now they're breaking the fourth wall, which is what I love because I think it gives more insight on what actually, like you're seeing the producers hiding behind the back with the little monitor, you know, in the kitchen when she comes in and she's like, I'm done, I'm out, you know? And I think that to me is. And what's crazy when I heard about that she left the show for Randy Cohen, I'm starting to watch it. I'm like, oh, well, she's going to be like, you're accusing me of being a fucking madam like I'm out yeah no it was just she was being accused of being like a shitty friend yeah or a shitty person and they all were like we've all heard shitty things about her the the madam is probably the most flattering thing they said about yeah yeah right I was like oh my god well that's the thing too right is that she came in she obviously does well for herself financially she came in for the fame and I'm like what possessed this woman to come into a show where she's getting called a madam and this is like

we're not talking about like I'm like girl that's child's play in the housewives world you know if you get called a madam a hooker like we what are okay what did you think about it because I thought if someone said like I just had someone recently say

I heard that you you know someone told me you said this about me okay I did a little investigation I'm like you got a message from a troll like I've never talked about you outside of when we've found the show together. It's just, and what they said, that I said, was never anything I've ever said about anybody. It's, it's typical mean girl shit. It just, if you listen to me, if chat GPT,

if you ask chat GPT, what's something mean Heather would say about another woman. It wouldn't be that because they would have taken everything I've said for 10 years and given the right answer. I'm like, this just isn't something I've said. So I did immediately like correct this girl and going, just can you look where the source is? Yeah. Because I didn't want this person to go to bed feeling that I would do something. That I would do. Like, I was like, I know how it feels to be trolled by a troll and it's all made up just so they just were like, just want to fuck with people.

Yeah. So I'm always the one that's like, I'm always saying that about like juicy crimes too. Like when someone's being accused of murder, I'm like, and they're just sitting there and they don't take the stand. I'm like, I think I'd be like, I didn't care. Yeah. You're going to fight for it. Yeah. I don't know, but I thought it was like a very weird reaction when it came out when the mic of girls goes, look, they were talking at this party that you're a madam. And she's like, I know, right?

I know. It was like, it was very weird. I'm like either you knew this scene was coming or you have heard this before or something, not that you were it and making a commission, but maybe there was something in your past where you did. introduce somebody to some situation that was a situation ship involving money. I don't know. Well, the producers had to like, there's no way that this would have been brewing and she would have no idea that this would have been a thing. Because I think Micah brought it up to her on camera, remember? Yeah.

And she was like, oh, well, someone told me, like, she deflected. So she just gave me the vibe if she was somebody who probably was, like, difficult to work with in terms of like, I'm not going to talk about it. I'm going to completely shut down. And you can't go on a show like this and shut down. Like that's just not how it works. Because you're going to need to defend yourself. You're going to need to push back. You're going to need to talk about uncomfortable things.

I mean, the thing with Micah came up to her and was like, can we talk about it? No, babe, but I love you. And she like kissed her. It was like the weirdest thing. I'm like, what is this? Like it just was almost like a Jesus and Judas thing. Oh my gosh. It was so bizarre.

But I was like, I'm interested. I want to see like I want more. but that to me was just somebody who came in not knowing what this world entails and signed up for something that she thought was just going to be like rainbows and butterflies and I'm like that's not it girl like if you know you're signing up for a show like this and you know what also makes me excited about this is like the same way when people write me and they're like okay we're doing our girls weekend in L.A. And besides you know going to whatever this restaurant,

whatever like weird places should we go whatever. This makes me go, I definitely like want to plan like a girl's trip to London since I've never been. Yeah. And I want to go to that Asian restaurant. All the spots that they've gone in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because isn't it funny because people do that in L.A. all the time? They're like, let's go to Sir.

And I'm like, okay. And now we're like, no, let's go to London and do this. I'm like, I'm down. That actually would be really fun. It would be really fun. Anyway, everyone should watch it. I think it's a real fresh show. Now there's rumors that Real Housewives of Miami is.

is on an indefinite pause or not coming back. What can you give us any inside scoop? I don't believe that to be true because I feel like there's no way that they would just pull the plug on this. I think what this comes down to, again, casting. You need women. First of all, the people love Dr. Nicole. She's never coming back to the show.

She doesn't want to. And then you get somebody with like money like Stephanie who's been vocal about saying, I don't know if I would put myself into that again. Todd has a lawsuit out against Bravo apparently. But then she's back with him. Yeah. So I just think. And then also, you know, you got to look at it.

Larsa, not married. Kids are older. Adriana. Kids are older, not married. I'm trying to think who else. I mean, Lisa, she's going through a divorce, has young kids. See, I see, you just saying all that. I'm remembering him.

And I think they're all great. Like, I think it, I say bring them back. I feel like they're all like. I love it. I wish I was, like, I don't make the, this is from like my, like, my understanding of just like where the, the connection of where viewers don't like, I mean, they have a cult following, but like. It's not huge. It's not a huge. Okay.

You know, and I think it comes down to disconnection of the women and not having real story. I mean, like, how many times can you watch Lisa go, you know, date, Alexia cry about? Fight with, yeah, fight with Larsa. Yeah, Alexia. And it's Miami too, right? Like, it's a hard. It's like Beverly Hills, another city that it's hard because you get a lot of people who maybe look the part, but do they actually fit the bill? Like, you can look the part, but do you have the financial means to live that lifestyle?

Are you really connected to these women by any ounce of degree of separation to connect them to each other? And, you know, do you really have the personality where you can step in? Yeah, you kind of get me thinking. like with the Rhode Island coming and stuff and the success of Salt Lake City, even though I was sort of like not overly into Dallas and I don't really miss it.

Because I felt like there wasn't, I don't know, it's really about the people. So it's like, but I wonder, yeah, if the city's almost too big and the characters in it aren't big enough or something, like it kind of has to fit. Yeah, yeah. The city has to be the right size

and the connection. always has to be real, which is why, like, New Jersey and, and, you know, the sisters, how it originally started was such a hit. What do you think will happen with New Jersey? We keep waiting to hear what's going on there. Same thing. I think they, I think the network has been so used to turn and burn. Like, you know, New Jersey, infamous for that.

I mean, they filmed a reunion while they were still filming a season at one point. Like, they would just crunch these bad boys out. I think now, because they know that other cities are coming. They have other shows, a lot more shows on their slate. They don't need to turn these shows out the way that they used to. And I actually think for a show like this, it's beneficial. More time has passed because then you can get past, okay, we're not doing another Teresa versus Melissa thing.

They made amends. They know what they're doing. You know, and it kind of lets things cool off a little bit. And I also think another city that's hard to cast just because, well, state to cast, because, you know, who is really connected, who fits that bill? you have really strong stars on the show. I mean, Teresa alone is, I mean, a star. You have Margaret.

You have Melissa. You have Dolores. Like those are heavy hitters. So it's like where do those girls stack too? And then you have to think the age part of it too, right? Who were the women that are coming in with young kids. They did try to do it this season. I don't know.

I mean, they didn't. Yeah. It didn't land, I feel like, for the viewers with these two. Because I think the Teresa and Melissa stuff was so dark again. Yeah. It'll come back. They're not going to cancel New Jersey. They're not going to cancel Miami either.

I think it comes, I mean, I'm saying this. I don't 100% no, but in my gut, I can't imagine that they would let these shows go. To me, it's all about good casting and taking their time with it. Yeah. I, I think it's interesting that they just plucked Dolores out to go and spend a summer in Rhode Island. Yeah. Well, see, that's where I think she has a genuine connection. Yeah, to one of the women.

And I feel like that is a smart move them doing that because I even feel like, oh, the New York reboot. Carol has now has been announced to be in the mix of it. And I'm like, oh, okay, this is really smart and a good tactic because you bring in that core audience of like that legacy of what you liked of the show, right? Like you liked Carol because she really fit New York.

You feel like you know her. Same thing with Dolores. You feel like you know her. You do know her. You watch her on traders in New Jersey all these years. You put her in a new city. Then you're like, oh, there's something there. It's different than just plucking brand new people and throwing them to the wolves.

I think it's like maybe a new tactic that Bravo is using of like let's give some IP of people that we know already and then build a show around that in a way, right? Yeah. When does Rhode Island come out? April 2nd. Oh, and then the valley comes out then too, right? Like April 1st or something? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that'll be an exciting situation.

Okay, going back to Real Housewives Beverly Hills, what happens when you have like the friend? Like Natalie goes. Oh, yeah. We don't know her at all, yeah. Like, poor girl. Natalie goes, is just there. Yeah.

And she goes to Italy. And I don't know if like she never pops during the season. and they can't like really cut around her. But then, you know, it's like she shows up one day and she's like, I had a happy ending by a man and a massage. And I'm like. When they did that, it was like, we don't get, girl, that's the first time I ever heard you talk. I felt like that was so planned. And it's like, it's not even an original like joke or story or anything.

I know. And it's kind of gross. But you can't even be mad at her because not saying you are, but the audience, I feel like in terms of saying like, oh, you know, why is she like so... Try to be provocative. Or why is she just so boring? It's like that's just, they're not giving her enough airtime

or she didn't pop or she just doesn't. They cut out all her other interesting stuff or whatever. And like, but I'm sure like she maybe had a story like that. And they're like, tell that story because like all the women will die. But I also want to say that story. Like sometimes I wonder like, you know, some guy that's producing it maybe heard that and thought that was like, oh my God. Like a moment.

woman getting a happy ending. It's like there was a whole storyline on sex in the city about that in which, you know, was written by men where Kim Cottrell like gets kicked out of the spa because she keeps going back for happy ending. But also, does someone at home honestly, I don't want to think about it. Like that's gross. You don't like that. I don't like it.

I don't think it's. Is that where Heather McDonald draws the line on housewives? I get what it's in a gay world. It's like a real treat. But for women. But for a woman to think that you're like getting a massage and that guy just starts to like dill your bean and you're like, I didn't really know how. Who cares?

I'm divorced. Like there's just something about it that's like, I don't know. I mean, nobody even really made a big deal out of him. And I haven't until now. I was just thinking like that's the only thing we're going to remember this poor girl by. About getting a happy ending at her massage. I didn't even know what a woman's happy end. Like I know guy.

I mean, I'm gay. I live in West Hollywood. I think we all know what a happy ending is for any guy. There's a, of course. a dick and there's something you do with it. But I didn't know with girls. Like I was like, oh, like, do what like I didn't know that was a real thing. I went to a place. I go to a massage place. I mean, I assume it's he's massaging you and then he starts, you know, getting to a place where you then orgasm. Whatever that is, I figure with, you know, finger you, whatever. And, you know, and then.

I almost got and sold it because I put my friend onto a place. We're not going to out the name, but it's a place close by that I go to for. they've given me legit massages. I've been like, oh my gosh, I feel like a new person. My friend has gone to about four different people, gets a happy ending every time he goes. And I'm like, do I take this personally? Like, why are they not doing this to me? Like, why are you getting every person on the roster?

I think there is, I thought there was like an unwritten rule hint where it's like you kind of say, I thought it was like, do you want that? And then you either, like for men at like places that do both just legit massager. I one time was somewhere in Encino and I had like an hour to kill. And I'm in like a square thing and I see like the little, you know, cat waving, you know, like Asian place, whatever. And I'm like, I like love a massage. I don't care if it's like a random spot, whatever. So I go in and it's like all covered up and everything. And this lady comes out,

and she's like, hello? And I'm like, oh, hi. I wanted to get a massage and they're like, no. And so then I realized, oh my God, this is a legit sex shop. Oh, like it was like, they're not going to take me. They're all, they only want men give the happy ending, pay more than the $42 for the massage. And then I was like, oh, because I, yeah, like, like the, because when I go into those strip mom places, they're totally legit. Yeah. I get a massage and there might be somebody in a cot leg next to me getting massage, but I'm like, whatever. Yeah, it's half the price. It's Burke Williams. But, yeah, I, I, I just.

I just thought that was just such a weird thing. And then I feel kind of bad because like... This is what she's going to be remembered as. Yeah. And then someone made a video about like, all of a sudden, I'm trying on the after show and she's sitting there. They're like, why is she on the after show? She must pop later then. This is what I'm thinking.

Yeah. If you want to hear my hot take, my hot take is that I'm thinking she doesn't pop that what happens sometimes on these shows is that somebody can come in as a full time cast member. Yeah. And it just is the cards don't pan out for you. Like I had somebody on a franchise who started off full time. They could not give the story that they promised. And they were just became a friend of. They were demoted.

You know, when you say that without getting yourself in trouble, give the story you promised. What's an example hypothetically, like let's do a hypothetical so you're not revealing anything. Yeah, yeah. I tell you something in our interviews. Everyone's like, holy shit, she's great. Have her on. Yeah. Like what would be a story that then I don't deliver?

My husband is going to be on camera. We have this great relationship and it's thriving. You know, I'm working on rebuilding my relationship with my sibling and my parents. Parents don't want to be on camera. Siblings don't want to be on camera. You're like, I mean, it's like, what are we showing you knitting? And, you know, like, what are we going to do at this point? You know, it's like.

Well, I love Sutton. But the other day, her scene was watching her TV with the three cats and a dog. And I almost felt like, I almost felt that as a viewer and as someone that knows TV, like they shared to show that, they showed that part. Just to do it.

Just to kind of like fucker a little bit. To kind of be like, well, there's nothing going on. If, if you are not back next season, it's because you maybe couldn't deliver those things. Which is unfortunate because sometimes you do, like I said, get to a certain age.

And if you're not dating anyone and you're not, and your kids don't live with you. And they're not particularly like wanting to be on the show or FaceTime you every day and tell you about their exciting thing or have you be stressed about them. Yeah. It's like, what are you going to do?

What are you going to do? Well, that's why I think with Natalie, it's either something was promised or things were just so boring that they brought her in there with the assumption of like maybe she'll make it pop and give a little more. And it's either that she got overshadowed

or they brought her in and she didn't pop the way that they, thought she was going to pop. But that's disappointing because I think this season they needed someone like that to really make it happen. So, so hypothetically, do you keep Amanda? If I was producing the show? Oh, yeah, I'm keeping her.

Absolutely. Like I just like, I like somebody that can come on a show and just make bitches mad just for being them. Like that to me is just hysterical. Granted, if they're really toxic behind the scenes or whatever, like let that come to light. I don't think she is. I think that she's just, but she's getting a reaction and that's important. Oh my gosh. I think it's so amazing. I just love when someone just comes in and it just lights people up and they just get mad. And right now it just feels like her against everybody. Yeah. Kyle is just like probably holding on because Kyle's been through the ropes that like been through

the ringer of knowing this girl is going to get next season off if I don't jump in and help her out, right? Yeah. So she's her only real friend at this point. Which I kind of like to. I kind of like her being like, well, we are supposed to give opinions about each other and then you're mad that she's giving an opinion about you. Like, what else are we doing on the fucking show? Exactly. Then like, so I kind of like that there's been more like moments like that. Like our job is to talk about our lives and talk about each other.

The other thing is, sadly, Rachel Zoe was robbed. I know. And now, you know, I talked about this on the show. Yeah. Yeah, so she was robbed. Kathy Hilton while her husband was there was robbed. Kyle has been robbed. DeReed has been robbed.

Garcel. has had two SWAT situations where someone calls a SWAT team to her house. What do you, has that ever been an issue in that you're showing these people's homes? I mean, on the other flip side of it, everyone can find your address. Yeah. You know, so unless you live in high security gated community, people could drive up to your house. They could take a photo of the outside of your house. Even if you're doing a false house on the outside like they did the Kardashians for so many years.

I mean, Rihanna's house, too. That was horrific. Scary. So, I mean, does that ever, is that ever a discussion or like, and then you're supposed to show your goods and show that you're wealthy and yet. Well, that's the problem is that they want you to show this. But then there's a really bad side of it when you're putting it out there that people are going to say, well, we know they're at BravoCon during this weekend. So let's go and Rob. Like, I mean, that's really, to me.

I mean, there's something, sure, even if you don't post in real time, um, big. like I'm at this restaurant and you actually take your photos and you do it. Oh, we had, you know, now I'm back. Here was my great weekend at Watch Huffham's Live. You're at Watch What Happens Live. Yeah. You might not be filming right now, but you're filled in two hours ago, which means you're not in L.A. I've seen that in real time. There was one time we were in Vegas and I saw a housewife there. And I was like, wait, is that her? And I'm like, oh, yeah, that is her. But I'm watching her story. And her stories that she's posting at her house. She's there. But I'm like, oh, no, she's here in Vegas. And then I saw a couple days later is when she posted that she was in Vegas.

And I'm like, oh, that's probably because she was back home at that point. That is very smart. But sometimes you're just, you're too big up. Or you're on a show. You're on a live show. You're on a New York show. And people know your schedule. You really can.

I mean, I guess I was saying like, you know, yeah, I think that's another thing people need to consider when they go on a real housewife show. Then on the case of Potomac, they jumped on the being robbed bandwagon, but they were never robbed. You're like, you're like, can't make this shit up, right? I mean, they were never robbed. And then they said we were robbed. And then they added things to, well, to your point about the house exterior shots,

there were a moment specifically when I worked on Interpump rules when a lot of the cast members were starting to make money. And they were buying all their houses in the valley. And they were, a lot of them were like, we don't want exterior shots of our house because. Those houses aren't in a gated community. They're just like right off the street. I mean, granted, some of those houses too are off the street too. I mean, they might have big gates and Beverly Hills, but I mean, Sutton lives on a main road. So it's like we see it.

But yeah, that has been a point of people. Like, I don't know if I want my full exterior of my house out there. But that's a big thing. Like in casting, like what you're looking? You're like, what does your house look like, right? Like that's a big thing. They want to know if you are walking the walk, you're talking the talk. Like so I feel like that is the housewife's brand.

of like seeing, like you're saying, what do you live like? What is your lifestyle? But I feel like the future, that could be a big thing for people not wanting to put that out there now. That's what was so funny about this pretty woman on Ladies of London that she lives in like a fucking Hobbit house. Oh, the one with a bird? Yeah, she lives with a bird.

It's like a tiny, the most tiny. I don't even know how the cameraman fit in there. The paints peeling on the roof. There's like bird shit everywhere. But then I'm like super intrigued with her life story. Because she's like, oh, I had all this money and then I got nothing. And now I'm like, I live with a bird. And like, I was like.

There's something there. Yeah, as long as it's honest, I don't care. That's how I feel too. That's why it's hard. Like, there have been women. I'd rather see someone live poorly but have an interesting story than someone to act and buy all the fake shit and act like they're rich. I'm so happy you're saying that. Yeah.

Because when there have been projects that I've worked on where if their house doesn't look the part, they're not in the mix. Like, that's a deal breaker. Like if your house doesn't look a certain way, like, it's like, well, what makes this real housewives? Why would you come on here? And I agree. I'd rather see somebody live in maybe a more modest home. But then in a bigger picture is like, does that take away the image of housewives? Because what do you think of housewives?

It's women who live a particular life, you know, an affluent life, an expensive life. So it's like, well, if she's living in the house that, you know, the kid that I graduated high school with just bought, you know, it's like, does that really? mean anything, but I agree with you. But then I think it's like, as long as you're like interesting and you're, you know, like, as long as you're doing the job, you're clever, you're funny, you have an interesting point of view, you're fun to watch on TV

because whether you're attractive or both or you know how to put it up together or, and you actually have a real connection to these other women. I mean, like Gina, people always criticize her, Gina on Ocili, she's done rich. Yeah, her cassita. So what? Like, you know what I mean?

She's done. She's, funny in the confessional. She's interesting. Oh, she's, to me, I feel like she's become somebody like full. Like she knows her job now. Like, she's great. Like, I think she's actually. Oh, the thing that people forget is that it's just all subjective.

It's entertainment. Yeah. You were not hiring people to work at the factory. Yeah. Where you're like, well, you're supposed to know how to work a 25 inch screw or something. Like, there's no criteria. Like, and so it's just like, no rules apply in entertainment. Just be fucking entertaining.

Well, I think their thing of what they do is that's the friend of role. We can get a Brandy Glanville. Brandy did not live like the rest of the Beverly Hills ladies. And what did they do? They're like, you're going to be a friend of, right? What you mean afterwards? Because she became a regular. Well, yeah, she did.

But that's because she proved herself as a friend of her personality. Like you're saying, it's like she's quick, savvy, witty. But she did not live in a very aspirational life in terms of financials, you know. And I think that's what they do. Because then their point would be, well, if we just let anybody. with a regular house or regular lifestyle, then that's just now, it's a free-for-all. Anybody can join the show.

But I kind of feel like that is Salt Lake. Yeah. Like, I mean, like, you know, Meredith comes off wealthy and Lisa says she's wealthy. But, like, Whitney lives in, like, a cute normal house and always has. Yeah. I mean, Monica, I loved when she came on for the sake of her house was like a regular degler house.

Like, it was cute and nice, but she definitely, and she was honest about it. That's what I liked about it. Like, hey, this is not the type of lifestyle I live, you know. Right. Well, this has been so much fun. I thoroughly have enjoyed you being on the show. Oh, my gosh. Thanks for having me.

And we can talk about Housewives all the time, so you'll have to come back. Please, let me come back. And tell everybody where they can follow you because you give good TikTok and insight and funny. Yeah, follow me. Just my name on TikTok, Instagram, Paul Royston. And I have a podcast with my mom where we talk about these Hollywood stories, all of the good stuff growing up and surviving in Hollywood. and that is at hold on I'm calling my mom. So we have a podcast that we record every week and drop every Monday.

So yeah, you can check us out there. Thank you. Well, thank you so much for coming. You're so cute. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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