Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Ross Mathews on 90 Day Fiancé, Catfishing and Hollywood

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

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Well, I have such a great show for you today. I'm going to catch you up on some hot topics. And then I get into even more funny hot topics with one of your favorites, the infamous, fabulous Ross Matthews. We get into 90-day fiancé in which he is hosting the reunion, as well as many fun memories from our past and juicy things from the Drew Barrymore show to Inside Scoop in Hollywood. So first, let me give you some more scoop.

that came out just a couple days ago in the world of Bravo. So many people are speculating. Will Vanderpump rules with the new cast? Are they coming back or not? It's still up in the air. And the reason people are questioning it is because they announced that Lisa Vanderpump has a brand new show about her life

running her restaurants in Las Vegas, which I have said would have been great. I'm not saying I'm a genius. I'm just saying I do think this is great. I love Las Vegas as far as a genre of television and film. It is just such an interesting place. It's fun and exciting, depressing, aspiring. I don't know what other people will be featured in it,

but like I said in the past when I've manifested this, just manifesting mama, I said you could have an aspiring comedian. You could have an aspiring aerialist. You could have an aspiring magician, actor, model, you know, just pretty girl, looking to marry a sugar daddy. I don't know, all working at the restaurant, and I'm hoping they found those interesting characters.

The name is great. Lisa Las Vegas, like, Viva, Las Vegas. So I think it's going to be great. I predict that, unfortunately, I don't think Vanderpump will come back. The original one with the new cast, it just seemed to get very little buzz. I didn't even realize that they had a reunion. They did. So there you go with that. There's also

another new show called, let me read that, Secret Lies, Texas Wives. It's kind of taking off the name of the hunting wives, which was such a hit. The scripted show from Netflix about gun-toting bisexual late in life lesbians that also have husbands and are god-fearing women in wig. there is a place called Born, Texas, and they're supposedly all from there, and they live a life while working on a ranch. I'm getting some inside scoop about this show that not everybody is exactly from Born, or they don't live on ranches. That is always the case with these shows.

You know, they've got to cast them. They got to make the most of this production. And remember, Kim Richards didn't live in Beverly Hills either when the show started. So a real house is Beverly Hills. So there you go. There's also going to be some short vertical shows. We've talked a lot about vertical shows lately in Hollywood, which is basically a shorter episodic show that you watch like you would

vertically on your phone, like a TikTok. One Madison from Southern Charm is going to have one where she's doing people's hair and putting in their weave while they tell them some great confessional thing. I mean, I just want to say, do you imagine if, like, you spill your beans, okay, about having an affair on your husband or something real juicy or real confessional that you would tell your hairdresser? And you give it all for a free weave on a vertical show.

Like, you're not even on a regular peacock show. You're not making the most of it, like Risa Tisa, you know, that got 12 deals from telling her awful story about her husband on TikTok in the 10-minute long form. So I'm guessing, though I love Madison, she's very pretty, I'm guessing the confessionals are very produced and they're not any life-changing juice in which someone's life would be ruined. So, but fun little idea, and I think there's a version of that too, a couple other ones. We know the Gen Z, the next-gen kids of children from real.

Real Housewives, are they going to be doing L.A. I don't know when that's coming out. But so those are a little bit there. And they're doing like a one-day fan fest mini bravocon in Charlotte. So those are the big news out of that. Derreet and P.K., my God, this is just continuing on and on. I don't know who to believe. People are wondering, how does Derreet make this much money?

he says she makes 3.3 million. He makes 3.2 million a year. She spends all the money on the clothes. He spends his life living like a pauper, but spending all the money on the kids. And, you know, but nobody bothered to spend the money on the mortgage. And now their house is in foreclosure. And it's like a few days away. So I want to know how much was a mortgage payment. How, you know, in her defense, she said, that was his job. And I, I kept in there's text saying that she keeps asking about it. He's like ignore that letter. It doesn't mean anything. And he's saying he wants the world to know that she is a shopaholic of major desire things. She spent like a million dollars over a four month period or something like

that. So you know what it reminds me of? Betty Broderick. Betty Broderick, I'm not accusing anyone of going down the Betty Broderick route. But when she was going through her divorce, she was spending like crazy designer clothes just to spend the money that was still theirs together before it was separated. Now, it appears that Doreet always spent this way and she just was continuing to do it. I don't know. I don't know if it's a hoarding situation or what. The next exciting news is so many of you have asked me, what was my Netflix as a joke,

live juicy scoop like you were sad you couldn't get tickets it sold out right away the audience was absolutely fantastic so many of you reached out and said it was one of your favorite shows you've attended of mine and that means so much to be and now I'm very excited to say that I am doing what you guys have asked for and I will be releasing the extremely edgy juicy episode of that live show that we recorded just last week on my Patreon this Friday you go to patreon.com slash juicy scoop to make sure that you are signed up and you will get that on Friday. And it's so funny, it is very edgy, you know, so if that is not for you, then you wouldn't be a juicy scooper anyway. I know you're not going to say, oh, it's too much for me. You're

going to want to go. You're going to love it. And for those of you that were there, you are most likely Patreon people anyway and you can watch it or share it with your friends and of course Chris Vangelina and Brady and Julia are on it and it was just so fun and I'm so grateful to be bringing it to you. So again, you go to patreon.com slash juicy scoop and make sure that you have joined. You could watch that and then all the other episodes that have piled up for the last almost 10 years all commercial free. Thank you. Little more on Summerhouse. Oh my God. They show preview of next week of West, who is making out with Sierra. So there's three women that we've talked about with this West character.

There is the woman he's currently with, Amanda, who was married to Kyle. There's also a clip from this past episode where they're hugging and kissing and they say, I love you. Like a hug and like a kiss on a cheek. and it's a long embrace, it's tits against chest, it's boner against crotch, it's embracing, it's snuggling in the neck with your platonic friend while you're married, who is also screwing, or had been screwing your friend Sierra, and the I Love You just flows off the lips. They have claimed that nothing was going on during the summer sexually.

Well, of course, people don't believe it. my first thought when I saw this was, can someone check on Jen Fessler, the real housewives of New Jersey woman who Sierra accused of also sleeping with West. She has denied it. She said that West called her and spoke to the family and said, I'm so sorry,

I don't know how this crazy rumor got started. But then also they showed a preview at the upfronts, which is all the advertisers in which Kyle reveals that West has all. had a full-on relationship with a whole other woman this past year. So we might even be cheating on Amanda with her. Who the hell knows? And then we see next week he makes out with Sierra again. I mean, this guy, it's a fascinating situation. And I've talked a lot about it. And we even talked about it more at the live show, which you want to get. Also, according to the New York Post,

It's an exclusive. Megan Markle is basically the breadwinner. Yeah, we know that. And the funds are tight. And she's focusing on growing her as-ever lifestyle range after recently partying wanes with Netflix. Money is tight. How is she going to do it?

Well, they were just at Disneyland. I don't know that they got free tickets. All the photos were taken, hiding the children's identities, shooting them from the back. So obviously she allowed people to come with her and was like, show these photos. Let's get it out that that were just a cute family. And they even had a moment where the little girl, Little Bet gets to meet the Disney princesses.

And I'm like, what a shame. She even know that her mom at one time was a princess. She's going to Disneyland waiting in a hot, sweaty line with a bunch of commoners when she, in fact, is a princess or could have been had they not left. I'm telling you guys, I predicted the Las Vegas Lisa Vanderpum show. Megan Markle is going to be on something that features her kids and her husband sooner than we think. Whether it's a ensemble type show, reality, something. She's going to have to pimp out those kids, which I think is crazy because the whole thing was privacy, privacy, privacy.

the privacy tour. Our kids need to stay private. We're not safe without 24 security, yet you're going to Disneyland and we know what's coming because you don't have a deal with Netflix anymore. So good luck to you. Jamie Fox is going to be a dad again. He has a beautiful blonde girlfriend who I looked up the age. I've heard anything from 22 or 30.

He is 58. She's young and beautiful and she is having his baby. And I'm sure they're very happy to. together. All of that's so interesting. Remember when he dated Katie Holmes for like two years? That was a weird match. He has a 33-year-old daughter and a 17-year-old daughter from two different relationships, and we wish some luck. He's got a bunch of pickleball courts on his property that I've played out that are real fun, and I'm sure his kid will get a free paddle out of it. All right, you guys. Now I'm very excited to talk to my dear friend, Ross Matthew.

It's like two old gals laughing it up and remembering things and getting into some juicy scoop. And here we are with the television personality and everybody's best friend, Ross Matthews. I have one of my favorite people on Earth. He's really grown up. He's really become a huge star. are from intern to host to the star of the Drew Barrymore show, drag race, and now host of TLC's 90-day single life. Is that the title of the reunion?

It's 90-day, the single life, the tell-all. The tell-all. And I mean, talk about manifesting a dream come true. I know. Listen, Heather, it's like I would watch 90-day fiancé. I have since season one, right? And I would talk at the TV. You know me. I'm an engaged viewer. I'm invested. And I just wouldn't shut up about this show. And I talked about it on the Drew show. And I just kept talking about it because I love it. And then cut to now and I'm hosting the tell-all. It is like I'm crawled into my favorite show. It's like a dream. And how did the offer come about? You want to know the nitty gritty? I do. I kind of want to know. Like, was it just like, you know, you saw an email or was it something else?

There was an email. And then I was like, you know, Ia the tiger. I knew that this was the gig. I knew that I wanted this, you know. And so I just convinced them, I think. And the truth is, Heather, you know, like, there are some things that I know I'm not meant for. You know, like I'm not going to be good at that. this, I just knew it. I knew on my bones. You know, when I was a little kid, I used to watch

Regis and Kathy Lee with my mom. And I remember being, I just was like, I know I'm going to do that. I want to do that. You just see how you know things. I just knew it. That this was going to happen. This juicy scoop episode is sponsored by Daily Look, the number one highest rated premium personal styling service for women. With Daily Look, you get your own dedicated personal stylist to curate a box of clothes based on your body shape. and lifestyle. This is not an algorithm. These are real personal stylists. You get the same stylus every time. So head to dailylook.com and use juicy scoop for 50% off your first order. With Daily Look, you can try on up to 12 premium pieces per box in the comfort of your home,

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And juicy stuff. And look at me now. No, but truthfully, look at you now. But seriously, like, you know what I mean? You are doing, like, the 2026 version of that in your way. You're doing it. We do feel things in our bones. I also love when you said manifest because I've never, you know, I guess I do put the man in manifest, don't I?

Yes. Yeah. You're a married man. Still, like, I think one of the funest destination weddings I ever had the pleasure of going to. Such fun people. It was so beautiful. I love you were there in your yellow dress. You look so.

pretty. It was one of the best weddings in the history of time. It just was so fun. Everyone was in a great mood. The energy was the best, you know. And how many years are you guys celebrating now? Are you like four or five? Literally four was our fourth anniversary. Like, I think last week. Still going strong. It's the best. Mary, you know, I really just think my husband is the shit, you know, and I think that that's the key. He's like, smarter than me in different ways. I'm smarter in a couple, maybe like one other way. But, you know, we really, like, he keeps you on my toes. He thinks I'm the shit, too, but he also, like, nudges me a little bit.

I just feel like a better version of myself than I've been, you know. I just think maybe that's growth that's getting older, but I like it. I like how I'm aging. I do, too. Now, I remember when you told me how you met and you did meet in Fortevada, right, on a vacation. You were on a vacation and you met there. Yeah, we met like the pilgrims used to, you know, in person on vacation in Puerto Vallada. Like no apps, just like old school.

So do you think in your fascination of 90-day fiancé? Because I always feel like 90-day fiancé proves that I don't care where you stand politically, but there are people all over this world that will fuck some of our. ugliest citizens to become an American. And we need to be grateful to be American. You're such a pessimist. You are such a pessimist. But no, I'm just saying, like, you see there's certain couples on there that you're like,

this is never going to last. And then there's an extra thing of like they get to be on TV too. So imagine you want to come to America and you think, when you think of America, you think of Hollywood. And then they meet somebody and then the opportunity comes to meet and to pursue this romance and be on TV. It's like a triple header. And then we get to sit back and watch it. Sometimes it does work out, you know, but it's very, it is so much fun.

And, you know, there's been so many seasons and so many variations of it. But do you think had you not found the love of your love? your life, would you have ever sought out, you know, someone from another country? Well, that's a very interesting question. Okay. So for starters, you are a pessimist the way you view it. Because this is how I view 90 day. I view that their love has no borders. Like, you know what I mean? Like, no, I totally think. I think it's, but I'm saying the, an appeal has to be that this person from another country has a dream of possibly be living in America. But then they do it the other way too, which is fun.

I do like the other way too. Here's the deal. I don't know that it's all about getting to America, but I do know that there are certain hurdles that are just in place when you fall in love with somebody from another country. Do what would I have been open to it? Absolutely. Listen, I love my Wellington.

You know that. I like my husband. I if I found somebody you know like say you know online or something I was like dating and it was like oh let me fly over there and meet them like I I would have been open to it I wouldn't have let a boundary keep me from somebody now what do you think about sort of the catfishing element of dating someone in another country that can happen to people unforgivable listen A perfect example of this would be Jenny and Summit if you watched 90-day fiancé When Jenny first started dating Sumit, and by the way,

they have been together and now happily married for, I don't know, eight years. I mean, like a long time. I know the couple you're talking about. She is white, right? Yes, from Palm Springs. Yes.

And where was he from again? India. Okay. Okay. And yes, they went to the whole thing. When they first met, they were talking and he was using a different picture, right? And then, you know, came clean.

And, like, I would have been out. Out right away. You give me a different picture. I don't care. Like, you don't have to be a 10. You know what I mean? I'm lucky that I married a 10. But, like, you don't have to be a 10 to get with this.

You know what I was like? There's been a few less than tens along the way. So I wouldn't have. But if you lie to me, you're out immediately. But look, they, they were able to get over that little bump. But catfishing, I think, is a. red flag. Total red flag.

There are so many red flags. I wish I could, you know what? I wish I could help people dating. I would love to be like a wingman for people. I am really good at it. I dated for a long time. I liked dating. I liked it.

Yeah. You know? And I wish I could help people through it. People should ask me, send me a DM. At hello, Ross. I will help you with your dating life for free. Yeah. I think that you, yeah, I think that you do give great advice.

I do. You know, you've lived such a life. You know, you started out just a little boy washing Regison and it was Kathy Lee at the time. And then you became Ross the intern, which you truly was an intern and then you came on camera. Can you believe Heather that was 25 years ago that I started on Leno, 25 years ago this year? That's amazing. And then, you know, we met on Chelsea lately and, you know, had great chemistry. though I accept that a guy as fabulous as you has great chemistry with other women besides just me. And it's hard when you realize that there's other women out there.

Like, do you very more? I'm a gay womanizer, aren't I? You are. But more than anybody else. Oh, wow. I never thought of that. I mean, you and all the girls that you have. cheated on me with.

I also adore. So I think as a serial gay womanizer, you actually have a great picker. So I appreciate being in a great what? Picker. Oh, picker. You pick great women.

I thought you said, I, okay, I thought you said pecker. No, I have a great picker. Listen, here's the deal. I never thought about this before, but I, you know, it's not that I hit it and quit it. I didn't quit you, Heather.

No, you have long term. You're like, you're like Cody from Sister Wise. You have many women. I was going to say like Warren Jeff's, you know, of. Lauren Jess. You do with that guy, who had like multiple wives, you know. I'm definitely the hymn of gay womanizers. Without, yeah, without, you know.

Without the, like the child bright stuff. I don't do, yeah, without that. No, you don't do underage anything. So that's nice. No. That is nice. Isn't that nice? Yeah.

You have such great chemistry, but really so perfect for Drew. Thank you. The show has been on now for how many years? Gosh, you know, honestly, we just finished our sixth season and we just got picked up for season seven and eight. And Heather, you know, you know how difficult that is in daytime TV. And this has nothing to do with me. Honestly, it has to do with Drew. because she, in those years when it wasn't easy,

when we were like on the bubble, I think the powers that B said, if anyone's going to pop through, it's going to be Drew because she's got a work ethic. She's got an iconic, you know, she's iconic and she has that iconic name recognition. And I think they just took a chance on her. And I will tell you,

if you're going to take a chance on someone, take a chance on Drew Barrymore. Because she's real deal. You met her. She's the real deal. Yeah, she was your flower girl at the, wedding. She was. And she is, you know, a total delight, truly genuine. And we know now that authenticity is where it's at, whether you're an influencer, a reality star, or a talk show host.

And I think that, you know, it started when you guys started. It was, you were a COVID show. Yeah. Do you know the whole story that, do you know how it started? You want me tell you? Yeah, tell. So it was COVID. It was September 2020. My mom had just passed away, remember, back in May. I had met Wellington right before the pandemic. And then we were like, okay, bye, I guess. You know, like, six months. I was like, on L.A., he was in New York.

And we were like, Zoom dating, right? And so eventually in September, I was like, I'm going to go to New York. I didn't know Drew anything. And I knew her producer. So he was my friend Chris. I had Chris Miller. He's now the Tonight Show EP show runner. And I was like, do you want to get a drink when I'm

in New York, you know? And so he was, he said, oh my God, Drew just started the show and she's alone in the studio. There was no audience. Remember back then? Yeah. It wasn't even massed audience. No audience. And she would like talk to celebrities on a computer, right? It just was tough. And she was live. And he said, would you come in and do the news with her one day? And I was like, he said, if I can get you cleared through all the COVID things you have to do, let me, you know. So I did. He got me cleared. And I went and did the, her show once. And it was like, you know, she was a little lost in that studio and I was lost in life because I was cracked open after my mom. And it was like two people who needed somebody.

I can't explain anything else, but right away, it was like brother-sister, right away. And they asked me to come back the next day and the next day. And I never went home until the end of that season. And then I've been there ever since. It was one of those things that maybe my mom did it or something, but there's something magical about the connection and the timing. And I don't know what would have happened with Wellington. And we would have been married so soon if I hadn't moved to New York then and all of this had happened, you know? Right.

And everything always works out the way it's supposed to be. Now, I think it's funny because you started out and it was COVID and you couldn't touch anyone. But then she really popped off because people, the viral videos of how she likes to really get in the lap, literally. of her guests. Yes. And, you know, she has a great sense of humor around it,

but that is her and she doesn't stop that. And now it's continued. It's just her, her vibe. Was there ever a time? Yeah, I know what you're going to ask. Was there ever a time

when like the notes came in, the focus groups, don't do that? Or you thought or, yeah, was there ever any discussion about it or even a guest that was like, I love Drew, but that would make me

uncomfortable to talk that close or everyone just wants her perfect little cute face at like, you know, that close. I can't speak to what everybody wants, you know, I think if like, I don't know that there's ever been a guest who didn't want to be up close. I think people are kind of like, yeah. I mean, she's her. You want to be, I mean, it's authentic.

And it's also like, you don't get to see someone that famous that often. You know what I mean? Yes. But I will say, like, it wasn't lost on everyone when like at first it was being kind of made fun of that she was up close and personal with everybody. But too, like the power of her and honestly, Jason Kurtz, who

does our show is it was like, just lean into who you are. You have to be who you are, especially on daytime television. That is not about a set up punchline, daytime television. Daytime television is about opening your soul up. I know that that sounds cheesy, but really it's about like this is who I am, warts and all.

And so they just like dug in. And now it's become like what could have been, a like cringy thing is just an identifiable mark of how she does this job. And I think that's another reason why it's working. And that's a lesson for all of us.

Just like, just lean into who the fuck you are. Just be you. And like, people don't like it. They can change channel. Yes. And obviously, it's working out perfectly. It's working for you too. Look at you. I can you know how proud I am of you? I watch,

you know, I love you and I'm your friend. But just as like somebody who like sees what you're doing, I'm so proud of you because you have done that too. You really are. And I think everybody listens to this and watches you knows that. And I know how hard that is to do to make that choice just to be all in on yourself. And I just want to do your tutor. And thank you. I love that. And you know, we. It's true, Heather. We did a talk show pilot together. We did. And I love that show by the way. I feel like it could have been better. But I was. doing Chelsea late at the same time. It was kind of a, it was fine. It was called love it or hate it. Love or hate it? I remember one of those. I thought it was lover. Yeah, maybe it was love or hate. And it was like hot topics. Do you love it? You hate it? Let's debate it. But if you think about that really can't go on forever. Well, it could have. It could have. Always like, I guess you could always love or hate it. I can have like a segment on Jesus. Just go call it or hate it. But then after that. But I come on and do it with you and we just do it here and

of on E because we would get more people to see it. All right. Let's just do it love it or hate it right now. Okay. Let's do it. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Do you love it? And now they're doing ones in like the OC.

Do you like these girls dancing around in their messiness? Or do you hate it? I've never seen it. So clearly I hate it. Not making its way to me in my algorithm. I don't know. Is it worth it? There is so much out there.

And I'm a little busy with 90 day. I have to tell you, there's a lot of episodes and I'm not cheating on 90 day. Is it worth it? Right. You only have so much time in your life. Exactly. I'm a human. Right. Metball. Have you ever gone to the Metball or been invited? I have been outside the Metball. I covered it two years ago. And I used the porta potty. No, but I've never been inside. But I will say Anna Winter in the middle of a sense. sentence. She was talking. She stopped what she was saying and looked at me and said, I love your jacket. Come on. That's pretty good. It was pretty great. Yeah. No cameras were rolling at the time. All right. I want to ask you also, you've had quite the relationship with your body changing. So when we first saw you, you were a jolly kind of heavy. heavy set type young guy. And then you lost weight and then you maybe gained a little bit back.

But you've now been a slim gym, a stylish dude for, I don't know, probably like what, like seven years where you've been this size and maintained it. And so great with your recipes and using, you know, the healthy ways of, you know, healthier food and exercise and everything. How do you feel about now, you know, there are so many people now are having such great success with getting the jumpstart with the GLP ones and all of that? I just want to kind of hear your opinion of it and what you think is going on with that in Hollywood and are some people taking it too far. Okay. Well, okay, I have so many thoughts and I've never ever really talked about. I always ever asked me about this.

This is what's great about you, Heather, is you go. there. All right, let's go there. So my health journey started in 2020 after my mom died and I was like, the biggest gift I could give her is to get my own shit together so I can stick around on this planet for as long as possible. So that was my why. And I think you have to find your why and then you figure out the how. So my why was that. My how was like, I got to start cooking for myself. That was my recipes. Now, listen, this is back in 2020. You had heard maybe of Ozempic, but it wasn't something that was available, right? I wish I would have done Ozempic. And people use it as, a shame. Like whenever I'll post a picture and people will be like,

OZempic queen. And I'm like, you're trying to shame. One, I did it. But like, too, had I, I would be seeing it from the rooftops. Like, there should be absolutely no shame in this. Listen, it is hardy enough to figure out how to be a healthy grownup. You know what I'm saying? I'm not alone in that. It is difficult, especially when you have an unhealthy relationship with food. And something that helps you with that, that they say with the studies doesn't hurt you. Knock, knock, knock.

Hopefully that's true that there's no terrible side effects 20 years down the line. But we should not be shaming people. If you have a headache, you take a Tylenol. Like, things make things easier. If you have cancer, you do chemo for a reason. This is an issue that people have. I know I had it. And so I hate that people shame people that use it.

And I especially hate that people try to use it to shame me when I don't even do it. Do you feel that? you know, that once you changed to be fit and thin, gorgeous model that you are, yes. No longer a plus size model. Did anybody be like, you're not as funny now? You know, that always happens with someone who is funny and a little bit fuller. People seem to think that is what is one of the things that makes them funny.

And then they get thin and they're like, you're not as funny. You know, it's maybe people thought that. know, I don't know people thought that, maybe they did, but I'll tell you, it does take away your own punchline. You know, I always, there were certain things. I could always, like, if I didn't have an observational punchline, there was always like, oh, through the gay lens or through the fat lens, right? And they're, you know, a self-deprecating thing. So when you take that away, you are taking away a weapon, you know, like a comedic weapon. And so it was funny as like, your body changes, but your mind, there's a delay before your mind catches up with where your body is.

And I would be like, you know, writing jokes or even in the moment saying jokes from that point of view and the audience was not laughing or responding. I was like, oh my God, Ross, you need to catch up with who you are now. And so that was the bigger shift that I felt, whether people think I'm funny or not. I don't, one, I can't control and two, what are you going to do? Yeah. And then how do you feel about, you know, now being a silver fox, like going full, natural gray. I never did anything other than let it just be what it was, you know? And so I don't know. I always thought it was kind of gray. Is it jarringly gray now? Should I die? I just feel I No, I think it looks good. And I don't think you should start that. I think it's really hard for guys

with short hair to dye it. And I don't think you should. I mean, Peter's calling me a hero? No, but I mean, Peter's gone full white and there was a time where, you know, there was a little whatever, the gray men in a box or whatever it's called. What is that called? Just for men. Gray men in a box. Yeah. And then one day it was just like, oh, fuck it. And it's just like, it is great. And then I saw the episode where they brought in the famous hairdresser and Valerie Bertinelli and Drew. Yeah. Yeah. So they put gray wigs. on them. And I mean, I think when the hair is great hair and your makeup is done, it is a cool look. The natural gray. For some people, I think it can really work. Listen, yes, I think you

should do whatever you want to do, period, blanket statement. Okay. I will tell you, going gray wasn't like a decision that I made. I just am kind of too late. And I guess I didn't realize until recently that it's this gray because people start whenever I would see someone like you who I hadn't seen in a while people go like love your hair. And for a while like until I mean like really recently like weeks ago, I thought like oh, they noticed that I kind of grew it out a little because it's longer on the top. I didn't realize they were saying that because it has gotten Santa white. Like you just don't see your own Santa coming out. It never. I didn't see it. And then when you say it and I look, I'm like, oh, I guess so. But. So anyway, that's my point of view. Now, Drew looks great. Val looked great with gray hair. They'd be hard to look bad. But I will say, like, it is much harder for women because, like, let's say, for example, you or Jennifer Aniston, all of a sudden we're like, I'm going to do it.

I'm going to go great. Like, when does Jennifer Aniston go great? Does she just like, ever? Or does she just come out one day? Or she'd start, you know, that when, you know, they had like the skunk stripe and they just let it grow. And it's like a half and a half. and you just do it and you figure it out. Will she ever go gray?

Will you ever go gray? I don't know because you know your really good friend, Nikki Boyer. Yes. She rocked it. You know, creator of dying for sex. Peabody Award winner for dying for sex. I mean, amazing.

Jenny Slate played her in the... I am so proud of Nikki Boyer. Thank you. She's in Italy right now on vacation, a well-deserved vacation. She's amazing. And yes, she did decide to go gray. And it was a whole process.

And even some of our... Our close friends gave her shit for going gray. Really? Yes. I see, I think, I can see it. It looks, yeah, for me, not there yet. I don't know when I'll be there. But anyway, I think it's a cool thing that's really working for people.

So much harder for women than men. It's the same thing about with weight. I know. No one in Hollywood ever gave me an issue for my weight ever, ever, ever. Ever, ever. And meanwhile, like, I know these women who I was standing with on the red carpet were getting pressure. I know it. The gray hair was the same thing.

So that's unfair. Yeah. And now it's the criticism of, oh, now everyone's too thin. You know, it used to be you're heavy. Then, okay, you know, then there's some bitterness of when someone that they admired that was a little fuller figure, they get to a healthy place. And then it's like you've abandoned the cause. And you're like, what cause was that? Like just like, let me just do what's right for me.

You know, like again, let me just do what's right for me. I understand when people get too thin, though. I do because, and by too thin, I want to do air quotes, right? Because it also, it is a weird game. You know, like you feel like in control when you're at a certain number. You know, I remember I got to like 165 and I was like, this is probably five pounds too thin and this is perfect, right? And then now I'm at like 173 because it's like the neighborhood.

And I feel like, oh, is it gross? Am I gross? Am I gross? Because I'm not like 165. So it's like I understand where you, if you get that low, you think if you get above that at all, you feel like it's more about the scale as opposed to your body, you know? And like, I think that's the struggle sometimes. It's this like self-imposed thing that you do.

What was the reality show that you did about weight loss? That was a nightmare. This was back in, what, 2004 or five? It was called Celebrity Fit Club. And they asked me to do it a bunch. I was like on Leno a couple years. I had no contract. I was making like $500 every couple months, like nothing.

And they called me like, do you want to be on the show where you lose weight? And I was like, absolutely not. And they said it pays whatever it paid. And I said, what? time should I be there. And so I did it. And when I showed up, it was like me and Screech, Tiffany, the thing, I think we're alone now, right? All these things. And when I got there, nobody knew who I was. And Tiffany asked me to get her a water because she thought I was a PA. And you know what I did? Got her water. I got her a water. And then she's like, wait, why are you getting mic up to go do a jump jumping jack or something? Yes. Why are you? you getting jumped up to kayak against DeBrat. Well, Tiffany, because they're paying me too.

Anyway, so I, like, it was the first time I ever lost weight, and I just starved myself because they would, you know what a great diet is? Weighing in every week on national television. That's a great diet. So I just didn't eat anything, and I lost 40 pounds, and the second it was over, I ordered two large dominoes, thin crust, because I was on a diet, pizzas. and I finished them because I was starving and then the weight came, weight plus came on, you know? Like there was no conversation about my health at all.

It was about can you lose more weight than Maureen McCormick? Oh my God. Wait, but you won it, right? You won it? Of course, Heather. Of course. How much was it that you lost total? Do you remember?

41 pounds. I know exactly. 41 in how many days? Six weeks or something? I mean, really not good, Heather. Like, too fast, unhealthy. I just was like, I guess I won't eat. And that was before the controversial show that they just did the dock on where they weigh the people.

What was that called? The biggest loser. The biggest loser. Yes. That was before biggest loser. Probably the same time. What, 2004? Yeah, something like that.

And awful. Awful, awful. But the check cleared. And it wasn't even like life-changing money, but at the time, it was like what my mother made in a year, I remember. Yeah, because you were, and you were young and. Oh, my God. I was 24 and like just figuring it out. And you know this business?

Like, you know, you figure it meant I was going to be on TV for a couple months, you know, and like. When you got your own talk show. Yes. Hello Ross. Hello, Ross. It was, was it once a week? Once a week, Friday nights. Friday nights and it was under the Chelsea umbrella you were on like the floor above or below us.

Yeah. And, you know, I mean, that must have just been like a major pinch me moment. Yeah. But when you find out it's not going to continue. Yeah. What was like the how, what was your thought process was it was like bigger than bigger and better or what was that for you? Completely devastated because one, like, you know, Regis, remember? That was the goal, the North Star.

And so in a way, I thought like, oh, I did it, you know. And we were on for two seasons. And then it went away for multiple reasons. You know, like Chelsea was leaving the network for a bunch of reasons and whatever. And I remember thinking like, like, I'm over. This is it. I went to Palm Springs and I painted the cabinets in my kitchen. And I painted like all the walls in the house.

I just was like, what color? White. Black? No, just kidding. Black. No, white. Like white, bright white. And I just, my friend, Taya came over and she's like, what are you okay? And I just was like, I'm painting this wall today. Like, I just went crazy. Didn't Taya also work on the show? Yeah. She was my best friend. Taya is still my best friend from elementary school, high school. We wrote Chelsea lately. My books together. So it was just, she's just a brilliant writer, producer. She's just brilliant. And so I just. So that's hard, too, that you like, have you hired some friends. Oh, all of my college roommate was a producer on it. Tonight Show people came over on staff because that was ending and stuff. And there were just, you know, that's the burden you feel too when you lead a team like that is like not only is your dream dying, but like all these people are now out of work. Yeah.

Yeah. And so I worried and I put a bunch of weight on and I just worried like would I ever work again or did I ever, did I want to? Did I want to ever have something like that again that I could lose again? It's almost like when you, when someone breaks your heart. Yeah. Do I want to get in a relationship again? And I took a long time and it wasn't to Hollywood Today Live.

You remember there was this show that I did that you were on. Yeah. It wasn't until that that I thought, oh, I can still do this. Yeah. But it was, it was a real, I should have gone to therapy. I didn't, but I should have. Yes. Yeah.

And I remember like, yeah, that is really hard. And then we had fun on that Hollywood Today Live. And Garsell was on it. Yeah, it was me and Garcell-Bavay and Ali Landry, Tanner Thomason, Amanda Salas, who's on Good Day, L.A., Kristen Brockman. Yeah, it was a great show. Anyway, I love doing that. And then, you know, and then I did that for a couple years. And then, you know, but the thing is, Heather, you know, you kind of have to count on, like, bank on yourself that you'll figure it out.

So now getting to your latest venture with the 90-day single-life reunion, the tell-all. The tell all. So tell us, so these people that are the favorites over the seasons that are no longer with their love, they go explore single life? Yeah, so what happens is, you know, we watch a lot of people on 90-day fiancé, whether it's the OG show or the other way. we see people fall in love and try to make a relationship work. Now, what happens is we really care for these people. Like, I get invested in them. Now, the relationship doesn't always or usually work out in the long run, okay? But some of the people who become fan favorites that we really root for, they get put on, if they choose to, they get put on the single life, where we can see them afterwards what happens when they're back out there dating.

And so there are major fan favorites on. There's Pedro. There's Sophie, there's Colt. Colt is my favorite. Colt is, oh my God. What happened to his ex? Well, there were a few. There's been a bunch.

The brunette girl that got a lot of plastic surgery. You're going to have to be more specific. Okay. So anyway, when we find him, we had just seen him and Hunt for Love, which is this other spin-off. He and Courtney have this connection. So when we see them at the beginning of the season, he and Courtney are dating. Now, Courtney is another fan favorite. And they're an odd match.

And he had a major injury, he's been living in her house. And taking care of him, they can't have sex. And then it turns out he's been cheating on her. This is what played out over the season with this woman from Brazil named Deanna on text. So they sort of break up. And she kicks him out of, she's living with her parents in a retirement center, kicks him out. And then he has to get surgery. And so in a fast forward a couple months, you see him living with this.

Wait, hold on. She lives with their parents. Mm-hmm. And had Colt living with them. In a retirement community in Florida. Is that even allowed? Heather, what am I? On the HOA?

I don't know. Speak to your local representative. I can't be bothered with that. So, okay, he's living with her and her parents in a retirement home. Oh, my God. He's been, wait, there's more. He, this is a what, this is. is what played out during the season. She kicks him out because you're cheating on me.

Like, you don't have, like, anyway, you don't have to pot to piss it. Yes. Yeah. He goes and lives with the girl that he was cheating on her with in Brazil for a bit, but then he has to come back to the States to get a surgery. So we fast for it a couple months. We see him in a house and he walks out and like greet his roommate, who is this 66-year-old man named Phil. Now, it turns out that Phil is Courtney's new boyfriend. He loves. He, lives in the same retirement center as her parents. Okay. And Colt is now living with them.

We just saw recently that, well, I don't know if that I can ruin anything, but they are all going to be on the tell all. Okay. So I just have to tell you, it's so good. It's so juicy. There's so much to talk about. And that's just one storyline. Colt has all these other connections with all the other people that are going to be there.

I really did my research. I really took this seriously, Heather, because you know I love this show. And I wanted to do a good job for the fans. I wanted to give them a tell all that delivered, you know, accountability and answers and drama and twists and turns and surprises. And I have to tell you as a fan, I got everything I wanted, including a walkoff. You know what I mean? Oh, I love it. I mean, you have to have a walkoff. So I got so upset. And the reason they got so upset is something that I didn't even know was coming. It's a real show. shocker. Oh, good. Well, I mean, I can see it now. You, did you have a hard time deciding what snazy suit to wear? There were lots of opinions. There were lots of it. I knew what I was going to wear. I knew it. And it just took a second for everyone to arrive there. But I would have worn, I didn't care what I wore. I truly, Heather, if they said wear Mrs. Roper's Mumu, I would have been like, great, let's go. I just put me in there. I really didn't care. But

I love this final suit. It's a Brooks Brothers, rich, almost cobalt blue with a blue and white striped tie. It's the perfect thing to wear. And I really hope you watch this tell all because I think... Oh, definitely. I'm watching it. I think I did a really good job. I really had a lot of fun

with it. It airs May 18th and May 25th on TLC and it's like, I don't know, feel free to watch every episode leading up if you want to, but I also recap a ton. So if you haven't watched every episode, you can still watch the tell all and get everything. The living at the retirement community is so fascinating to me because I remember years ago, you said you identified as an active senior citizen. To this day, I have a book treatment that I want to turn in called an active senior citizen,

a how to guide. I think it is a great idea because I have lived my life that way. I wear a sensible slip-on shoe. I don't have time for leases. Plus, it's dangerous. And hip injury is the first. Anyway, so I do that. I love a happy hour. I love a sensible bedtime. What time do you like to eat dinner? Oh, it's 545 would be kind of the latest. We've been to the restaurant. I've been, you know, those commercials like open, open, open for Mervins or Marshalls or something.

That's me at the restaurant at 445. When I know they could serve me a martini, I'm there. You may not be open, but the bottle's right. there. I love an early dinner. I love pre-sonset golden hour. We've had dinner at five. I know we have. Oh, I always, always love the dinners at five. Now, I am sad that you're no longer a resident in the Palm Springs area, but I get why it doesn't make sense. You have a beautiful home on the East Coast. I have the dream home on the East Coast, I have to say. I love my house here. I never want to leave. I it. We have an apartment in the city. I don't even go to the city. Just for work. But, you know, I love where I live now. So do you spend the night at the city apartment during the week with Drew? I'm supposed to, yes. What do you mean you're supposed to? I'm supposed to. That was the intention when purchased, but I don't. And so how long does it take you to get from the Drew studio to the

regular house? Fifty-one minutes. So I just do that. Exactly. And, and so I just do that. Exactly. And so we're selling the apartment is the point. I love the house. But when I had the house, you know, I was in Palm Springs forever, ever. Yeah. And I kept it for three years when I moved here. And then I had been back maybe twice because I just couldn't. And I was like, this is such a waste of money.

I can't. So luckily it appreciated and I earned that money back that I had wasted, you know, not living in it, whatever. But I haven't been back to Palm Springs since I drove away after we sold the house because it is my home. would just hurt my feelings. It would just hurt me too much to be there and not live there. What? That's so stupid. This is what you guys need to do. You need to come and stay at one of your favorite hotels. Okay. And I don't know. I feel like it's running into an X that I know I'm going to end up with. You know what I mean? That's how I feel about Palm Springs. Like it hurts too bad to see them, right? You're, you're afraid. You're like one, one. One, one. You're afraid. You're like, one,

One screw will be too much and you won't be able to give it up and you'll be cheating on New York. What I know about Palm Springs is that we're meant to be and we're just in different places right now. You know what I mean? And I'm afraid if I see Palm Springs, I won't be able to resist Palm Springs. You know, I just had dinner with Martin Ballard. The best. And went to his house. The house.

And he had a party for Modernism Week. I saw the pictures. And everybody dressed up, like, from that era? I know. I know. And none of that shit is happening where I live now. You know where I live now? You know who I...

Oh, my God, Heather. I live, like, minutes from Martha Stewart. And I see her all the time. And we do dinners. I've been to... I had New Year's Eve dinner with Martha Stewart. What did she serve? Did she cook?

Oh, no. We went to a restaurant. There are just five of us around a little table. It was. it was uh it's wild it's wild and magical and she's the only reason i'm like hesitating now is because i'm looking up at the you can see me right now i'm looking up and thinking of myself like should i shut up because i don't want her to find out that i talked about this and have it end you know what I'm saying i should i just shut up right now i think it's just saying you had dinner at a restaurant

where witnesses were i it's okay acting like you slept with her or something oh i'm not oh my god she's another one is she another one is she another one? woman that I have womanized now as a gay womanizer? Because it's just you just have a gift and it's okay. And, you know, you're, it's, it is what it is. You're, you're loyal to one man. You're not loyal to any woman. And it's, it's what you are.

It's a, it's a version of being polyamorous in a gay land. It's very, it's very complicated. It's weird how much sense you make. Like, it's really weird. From Martha Stewart to me, I mean, it's amazing. Wait, I, okay, now I think we need to plan for, I want to be your house guest. Up here? You have, you.

Yeah, for like a night or two. Yeah, like, come to New York. And, like, give me a day in the life if I come and you have like a Saturday. Like, fabulous. I'm an early riser too. Early riser. So our house is so, it's like super. private. Just trees all around. We're up like on a hill. We have a phenomenal pool like in the rocks where like

there's a stream that goes down into the from like into the hot tub that into the pool like beautiful. Do you heat your pool? Of course. What am I? What a Neanderthal? My God. Heather. Are you okay? Then I'll be in all day if it's warm. Okay. Yeah. Trust me. It's warm. So we would we would do that. We'd probably wake up. I would make you a frittata. Okay, we're not doing crust It's not a quiche, okay? It's a frittata. Love a frittata. Okay.

Then we would probably do a dip. We just have to, like pre-shower. Let's just get in. Like, it's nice out. Let's just get in the pool really quickly. And then while we're floating, I would like, be like, what do you want to do today? Okay.

We're gone. I feel like we then get cute. Yeah. And we do lunch off campus. Of course. Or we don't even need lunch. We just get to like a snacky poo and walk around whatever the cute area is that has some shops. Does that exist?

We would do lunch. I'm sorry, but I get low blood sugar. We would do lunch. Okay, good. But we would have a cocktail at lunch. And I would tell you, you know where I'm going to bring you? Heather, I'm going to bring you to my favorite antique mall. Done.

Okay. Where Lara Spencer has a booth. Okay. Love it. Yeah. And we will, and we'll buy a little something for you. Okay. We'll get you just a little something like something not big that you can bring home.

like something like so whenever you look at you can be like oh my god this is from when i visited ross and wellie in yeah so let's get you something and then i would go like now let's go back to the pool great and i would tell you in the pool i'd be like what are you in the mood for do you want to like invite a couple people over in barbecue or do you want to go somewhere fabulous no i at that point i want to have fun dinner party exciting people yeah start boozing in the pool late afternoon, keep the party rolling and the party by 845.

Great. So I would pick up the red gay phone that calls all the gays and I would be like, Heather McDonald's here. I need you to come over. I have friends who work in the restaurant industry who would bring like some steaks maybe. Great. I don't know if you're eating red meat right now.

Down. Down. We would go to the bakery that Blake lively goes to and we would pick up something great. Right. something something fun love it and we would then we would barbecue and I'd bring you would have the music out you know maybe some edibles if they were there and people wanted to they could partake yeah um and then uh we probably would like take a nap at some point for like just like 45 minutes

like just and you can just be on your phone if you want but like nap and then like let's go out a little alone time okay yeah if you need it yeah and then um we'd probably watch something great after everyone went home on the TV and, like, kind of fall asleep a little bit, and then I'll see you in the morning. You know what I'd like to do also is watch and just like that back. Would you like to watch my episode, the scene I was in? Oh, that's right. What scene were you in? Season five episode or season three episode, no. I was in the scene where the one with when Aiden came back. So season two, episode four, I think it is. Yeah. Yes.

When Mario Canton comes on the Drew show. Oh, yes. And then I play myself in the hallway. And you know, did I ever tell you the story of how that happened? No, tell me. Okay. So it's true story. I heard that they were going to come and shoot with Drew at the show.

And I was like, what day? And it was like a Friday. And I'm not there on Fridays. But I went in. And I emailed Michael Patrick King. And I said, I actually had my realtor, Arlene Cohen, Keller Williams is friends with Michael Patrick King. So I said, can you let him know?

And she said, oh, email him. So I did. And said, hey, I'm just going to be there. Like, come say hi. And he came in and he was like, Ross. And I'm like, no. And he goes, I'm going to write you a scene, okay? And I was like, you don't have to do that.

And he was like, I know why you're here. And he did. And I got to be in it. But it's because I showed up. And I was like, hello. Hi, remember me? Hi. I sometimes wake up with the middle of night and curse myself because I covered and just like that in a hate watching vein.

It's your responsibility that it's gone? It is. I think that Michael Patrick King, Saratisl Parker, they were just like, screw these assholes. We're not going to do it anymore. And I wish they didn't listen to me because it was getting better. And I loved, I loved every second of it. I loved if it was bad. I loved if it was boring.

I loved if it was weird. I loved if it didn't make sense. I mean, every Thursday we'd watch it. I made my son, my straight son Drake, watch it. And my other son, Braddon, we all loved it. We loved Che Diaz getting a sitcom. We, it was so weird. bizarre. Yeah, it's my fault. And I will never forgive myself. If I would have known that ripping on it in a

hate watching way and having other people do the same would have ever contributed to them quitting, I wouldn't have done it. I want to be a friend to you in times like this. But I'm also not going to lie to you. It's not, it's not your fault. I do think that, and I, it's not, it's not you alone. No, it's not me alone. But I feel that I feel like I was probably like a top 10 person that. Oh, for sure. Did it. Yeah. I would just like to, I wish I could go back in a time machine, because I didn't know it was going to come to an end either. Yeah. I wish I could go in a time machine and say, hey, guys, it's like pizza. Like, even bad pizza is good. It's good. Okay. And we didn't even know what we had when we had it.

And I'd like to go roll the tape. I never once publicly said anything bad about it publicly. Okay? And maybe the history books will call me a hero. And let them. I mean, the day the news broke that this is it. You knew you did it. You knew it was your fault right away, right? I just was like, you know, I felt like that saying, like, and this is why we can't have nice things.

Like, I felt like the person that like broke the base in the living room for like playing around it too closely. So do you want to make like a public statement now? My public statement is I loved and just like that maybe more than sex in the city. I loved the changes. I loved the weirdness. I loved the goofiness. Every episode surprised me. My predictions about where the show was go was wrong.

Okay? I didn't. I mean, I predicted some things when I thought there's going to be a sex in the city three. But instead it was a series that Miranda would be gay or have a gay. or have a gay relationship, but not everything. And then I kept wanting to, you know, rewrite it and be part of it. And then never did I think that it would be ripped from under me. I thought for sure I'd get two more seasons out of it.

Well, we should have. We should have. We should have gotten two more seasons out of it. I'm glad you finally said something. I feel like it was causing a riff between us. It's awful. I'm saying like when this that's why when we have our sleepover

I do I want to watch it I want to watch it I want to watch it I want to watch the Chay Dea's episodes when she was doing the stand-up concert and all of that and when did you forever the episode where she had to do the cameos No I honestly don't oh my god Miranda spends the night Miranda spends the night and she

wakes up to her like under the bed being like, hey, it's Che Diaz. I know it's your birthday tonight. And she's like, ah! And we were just dying. Like, the stuff that they would do was so funny and perfect. Oh, shit. It was funny and perfect and hilarious. And you said something earlier and you were right.

It was getting better. It was. Right? And then even was gone. And that guy, the next downstairs neighbor, that was interesting, the writer. Like they, right? There was just places for it to go. Yeah.

I know. You know, but that's what happens. You can't expect something to come back with some people that are that rich, that successful. They don't need the show. There is a risk that they will open their phone, read the hate, and quit. Yeah. Yes. And.

Well, we learned that lesson. Didn't we, Heather? Yeah, we did. So what happens? What if it comes? back again, 10 years and it comes back, are we just going to be grateful for what? Oh my God. I will be, I will only praise it. I will go to anything, the premiere. I will treat it differently. If I want to rip on it, I'll call my sister or you. I won't publicly do anything

because I need it to stay. Can I say something slightly connected but different? I just went to the movie theater yesterday yesterday and saw Deborah Wors Prada too. How was it? I haven't seen it yet. So in the same vein of like a beloved thing like, I, and maybe it's because of what happened with Sex and the City, I was prepared to just be grateful. Just grateful. I loved it so much.

Oh, good. I thought it was sensational. Oh, good. A perfect movie. like good on its own and a great, great, great, great addition to that, except for one thing. There's a scene where they cut the, and I'm not going to ruin anything, everyone, but they cut the budget at the magazine and Miranda has to fly to Italy for a fashion thing. And they show her walking through first business and sitting in coach. And I'm telling you right now, even if they cut the budget, she would have paid for her own first class ticket.

Hello, right? That was the one thing that took me out of it. But I do that. So I give it an I get an A, not an A plus because of that. It was so sensational, I thought. So one snafu, but the rest. Okay. I totally agree with that.

I don't like, and I get hung up on things like that, which is what got me critical. I'm definitely going to go see that. Did you see the Michael Jackson movie? No. No. They cut my part. You were in it? No.

I'm kidding. I can't imagine. No, I was Liberace. No, it was, I haven't seen it. I don't know. I don't know. It seems a little, I'm speaking about something. I'll tell you why I don't, I have no interest in seeing it. Now, I may see it and love it because I have no principles. Okay. So let me just put that out there that I may change my mind here. It just seems a little controlled by the family for me. So it kind of seems like not real life version of a biopic about the real human being. It seems like a sanitized cure. Well, I guess. There's no mention of anything, of any accusations of him with the young children, which I can understand not to do that. But I thought you could do it and you could have made it part of his life. But you also could have just shown the perspective of what he said the whole time, that he was innocent and that it was these parents that were doing this and there was a connection, whatever. But I think they just wanted to be about the music. the fun and all that.

Because the goal of the family is that the music always remains popular and therefore the musicals and things like that can continue. Did you know that they never mentioned Janet Jackson at all in the movie? Yeah, apparently she declined to sign off. To sign off on it, apparently, is what I read. So she would have had to have someone, because I feel like that's interesting because I think if you're a public figure, you know, if someone was going to do the movie of Chelsea lately, which they will in a few years. Yeah, I was going to say when they do. And some young guy

plays Ross Matthews. Sure. You're not going to have to sign off on that. You're going to wake up one day and see that they cast someone that is either better looking than you ever were or not as cute as you. They would go so not cute, right? You know, it'd be like, he has no possess. You know what I mean? Like they would just get some Pillsbury dough. boy with no personality to play me. I would need to sign off. I would need to see. I would hold auditions.

But that's only if you can do that. That's only if you can be allowed to do that. You'd have to be part of it. I'm just saying they don't have to tell you. When there's movies done about, you know, things that happen in history or movies or crimes or whatever, they don't have to. But I guess something with this. Probably because the family, they were like, she was like, now I'm doing fan fiction. But she was probably like, I don't even want my name in it or something, you know.

Because when they did the Jackson 5, like when they did that movie where Angela Bassett played the mother and it was like a made-for-TV movie. Mini-series, yeah. Mini-series, you know, and it was about when all the kids were little and stuff. They had every kid represented. Yeah, they did. And it was not good. It was about the dad being abusive, a cheater. Yeah.

When they make the Chelsea Lately movie, who do you want to play you? I need two options. Oh, my God. Honestly, like she doesn't look like me, but Megan Stalter from Hacks. Oh, yeah. She's so funny that... She is so funny.

And she's like, you know, in five years would be like the right age of me back then or so. I'm just thinking of someone who's funny. I mean, I'd also go with like a no name that, that just it would just have to, it doesn't have to be the look so much as the personality, someone that could play it off well. Yeah, but she's got to be like,

and this is a compliment, she's got to be ambitious too, you know what I mean? She's got to be like smart and not just, not just funny. She's got to like be like, you know, like a boss a little bit. Right.

I mean, it could be, God, you know what? You could probably just sadly have AI do the whole thing for us right now. Oh, my God. Give me five minutes and I'll make the movie. Hey, because I pay for premium. Give me one second. Give me one second to him younger Heather McDonald, younger Ross Matthew, put him on a panel with Chelsea. No, it's, I saw Chelsea last night at the after party for Kevin Hart.

How was it? It was fun. She was great. I've seen her a few times. She looked so beautiful. In the last couple of years, yeah, her outfit was really good. And she did a great job. So, you know, it was, we had a few minutes a hug into like, how's everything going? I told her, you know, I thought it was good. I said, did you get mad?

Were you anything upsetting that they were saying to you or were you just able to play that off perfectly? Because it's just so harsh on everyone. And she was like, no, I don't fucking care. I'm drunk and having fun. Like, she was just. Great. Yeah. So it was all, it was all.

Good, but I think, yeah, I thought it was really good. Yeah, so that would be... I like that you guys are good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I saw her a couple years ago at a restaurant when I was celebrating my birthday, and so that we were good then.

And it's like, yeah, it was great. I know you guys had like a fun dinner. Yeah, we've actually seen each other more since I lived in New York than when I lived in L.A. Oh, good. So when she makes a stop there, she reaches out. She's good at that, you know, reaching out. Like, I'm going to be here. I'm going to be in town and do this.

And I really, yeah, I'm really grateful to have that kind of relationship with you. But I have, don't you feel like, I have that with everybody that was on the roundtable. Yeah, there were a few writers that wrote with her that I worked with at Chelsea that were at the party too. Oh, good. And lovely to see them. And, you know, I mean, the show's been off for almost 12 years. That's wild. Wild.

It's really wild when like, you know, like I did my live show for the. that Netflix is a joke, live juicy scoop on Saturday night. And it was at the Avalon Theater. And these two young girls were setting up the stage and everything. And I just was like talking to them, you know. And then the girl was like, no, I know who you are. I read your book. She was like a stage person, stagehand.

And I'm like, she's like, yeah, I used to watch it when I was younger and I read your book. And I was like, really? Like I just sometimes you just sort of forget. And then you realize, like, how long ago that was. And so, but it's really fun. And that's why it was fun that, you know, that Chelsea and Kevin Hart have remained friends that whole time and as she has with you. And so it was all, it was great. It was really, it was a fun.

I'm glad I went to the party. I'm glad you went too, you know. And I am glad that we're all still so close. I just talked to Josh Wolf on the phone two days ago. Yeah. When I was in Vegas, I was like, any chance you guys can get dinner. but he was out of town. So when he comes to L.A., he does juicy scoop.

And I love that his son works with him on the road. And yeah, it's like, it's so good. I'm really proud of us. We're growing up, Heather. We are growing up, you know. Isn't that weird? I look at you. I'm like, what the fun?

What is happening? But I also am like just so really grateful to like, you know, it's like I told you about my mom. I want to stick around for as long as possible. I feel like I'm holding. holding up my end of the bargain or at least trying to, you know. And I'm so excited. So tell everybody when they can watch your debut as the reunion host of the tell all of 90-day single life.

It's May 18th and May 25th. So this coming Monday. It's a two-parter. It's a two-parter. And I really, you know, I don't make it about myself. I really make it about them. I try to do it with heart, but firm, you know how I am, and as a lover. And I really think the fans are going to be excited about this because I took it seriously

and I had so much fun doing it. So there are a lot of 90-day fiancé viewers out there. Hello, I'm Ross. I'm one of you. And this is really sort of a culmination of a dream come true. You know I get infatuated with things and then I like to, like I say, crawl into the TV and get into the thing that I'm really obsessed with. This is my favorite example of doing that. So I hope everybody loves it. Well, thank you so much. This is so much fun.

We covered a lot. And I love the catch up. And I will be in touch about planning our weekend. For real. I love you for real. You know I do. I love you for real. Okay. Love it. Love you. Thanks. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye.