Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Scheana Shay, Denise Richard’s Ex Responds and Amy Bradley is Missing

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Scheana Shay is here! Her memoir shocked the Bravo world! I read her book and ask the hard questions and Scheana answers. Scheana shares her regrets, who on Vanderpump Rules made her feel disposable and why she kept her husband’s affair a secret. But first, I cover the latest on the Coldplay concert affair. Denise Richard’s soon to be ex husband claims she was abusive and more unbelievable claims. I watched the Netflix documentary “Amy Bradley is Missing” and share my controversial take! Enjoy! So juicy! Match cakes, cookies, and candy in thousands of fun puzzles, when you download Cookie Jam today using the link: ⁠http://jamcity.me/JuicyScoop⁠  Get the best savings of the season during Boll & Branch’s Annual Summer Event! Get 20% off plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at https://BollAndBranch.com/juicyscoop  Go to ⁠https://RO.CO/JUICYSCOOP⁠  for your free insurance check. Give your summer closet an upgrade—with Quince. Go to ⁠https://quince.com/juicy⁠  for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty-five -day returns.  This year, skip breaking a sweat AND breaking the bank. Get this new customer offer and your 3-month Unlimited wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month at  https://mintmobile.com/juicyscoop   Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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we get into. I asked the tough questions. I asked her if she has heard the criticism that she's been receiving since coming out with this information in her book. So we get into it. But first I've got to talk about some of the hottest topics that have come out since the last Juicy Scoop. Well, of course we all saw the viral video of the Coldplay concert where the CEO of a billion dollar company called Astronomer was seen wrapping

his arms just under his employees tits who was, they were both similar age, probably like late 40s. She is the HR executive at this company called Astronomer and they, the cam got them and they see themselves on it and they immediately break apart, shut down and Chris Martin is like, either, you know, you're having an affair or whatever. So the whole thing went viral. You know what I'm talking about.

So the first thing I thought was, why, God, they really look happy. They really look like a couple that is into each other. And sadly, there will be times when I've been married for so long that I would see a couple my age, like way too into each other. And I would run to a fellow mom at the school and say, please tell me that she is divorced and that's her boyfriend. Because if this is her husband of 20 years, and they're that handsy into and that's her boyfriend because if this is her husband of 20 years and they're that handsy into each other, I'm going to be depressed.

Well, of course, it's an affair. Now what's really juicy is that she was married with kids. It's her second marriage. Okay, so she's already got two guys to get on their knee and say, marry me. The second one comes from an extremely wealthy family for like the last couple hundred years. They're well, they're just the family she married to is married to is worth like a billion dollars. Yet she still has this executive job at the HR company. So many people think was she already having an affair with this guy and he hired her as the HR exec

so that they could see each other and have fun? Well, he stayed married. His wife has a Facebook account. Right when this came out, she removed her married name and changed it to her maiden name. According to the Facebook photos, Page Six has picked them up,

they've covered the two kids' faces, they look like they're college age kids. So they've been married a long time. And there was a false report of the guy who got caught for cheating, right away making a statement saying that he feels that his privacy has been violated by the Coldplay cameraman and that he doesn't want to be seen like this,

but he also feels violated. That story went viral. However, that was fake. So you know, there is a lot of fake news out there. There's a lot of people that can put out a story on social media that make it look like it's a legit story that they're just recapping or whatever. So it's, you know, several people did it. I did not though, because I wasn't recording that day. But however, he has stepped down. There is a new CEO who says, we're going to be bigger

and better. You know, we're going to get past this. Of course, she's no longer working there. But all I could think about is this cheating woman married twice has it so good. She's got this cushy job. She gets to F her boss, who's also like pretty cute, go to Coldplay concerts. She has an ex-husband and a better second husband who comes from a super rich family. I mean, what, again, the Venus fly trap vagina, I wanna know what your secret is. How do you get these dudes? You look kind of average, which is great.

Maybe the vag is that good, maybe the brain is that enticing. I don't know. I'm always, I mean, I'm always just really fascinated about these type of people. The other people I feel sorry for are the people that were working with these cheating losers who were like, what if they did have a problem

with maybe somebody else harassing them or any problem at the company? You think you want to go to the CEO's mistress, who's head of HR and be like, Hi, I really want to talk. You think she's going to be protecting you? No. Well, she's like boning the CEO. She's going to be like, we got to get rid of Jennifer. She's really not happy. And like, so that's what a bummer is because I know there's some really great HR people in this world. And I know there's some really great HR people in this world and I think it's a valid career,

but this just goes to show you like, you can't trust anybody in the corporate world. And then the other girl that was there who clearly like worked with them and she's smiling when they get caught. And you could tell there's probably like this moment of relief. Like I've been keeping this gross secret of these two entitled assholes for,

you know, a year. And I have to act like I'm excited just because they're giving me a free Coldplay ticket and the arrogance. Like you're having an affair and you're going to a big public concert, not just if you're on the screen, how is it that you didn't think you'd run into like another mom, like getting a drink or that someone that you know wouldn't be seated next to you? It's just that is why the story is fascinating.

Also everyone loves a cheating story. They love it. They even said that Pornhub views of cheating like porn and people having affairs skyrocketed over the weekends. People like this is some hot shit. It is personally my favorite genre of film and television is infidelity and affairs between middle-class to upper wealthy people. That's what I like to watch.

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filed for divorce last week and said the date of separation was July 4th and that he has no income and that she makes 250,000 a month doing OnlyFans and television and brand deals. And therefore he needs half of that a month doing only fans and television and brand deals. And therefore, he needs half of that a month to survive because he needs to live in the lifestyle that she's made accustomed to living to in these last six years. He said he has no income. We saw on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills that he's some weird energy healer or whatever. If you remember the show, he also sat at a very awkward dinner with everybody talking

about how cars are following them and that with your mind you can cure cancer and all this crazy stuff. That the only one that was agreeing to it was Mauricio, who was probably very high since he likes to enjoy some gummies or whatever. So, there was that. There was also the scene that's gone viral, which Denise and Erin, her husband, are at a garden dinner party of Kyle's and something goes awry, and she feels they need to leave.

And he's pissed, and he's very aggressive with the women. There was another scene where he was giving it to Teddy and Erica and they were like, stop mansplaining. And he was just very aggressive, very uncomfortable, very entitled. And she says, Denise, please stop. Like we're being filmed. And he's like, if you don't shut up

or something like that, I'm gonna crush your hand. So after Aaron filed for divorce, asking for spousal support and all these things, asking for his tools, his only personal possessions or his tools and his car or something, but he wants big payments every month from her as she's taking the photos of her in OnlyFans. She then filed and received a temporary restraining order against him. In that restraining order, which is very hard to put together to fill out and be granted, you have to have a lot of evidence.

It's very hard for someone who doesn't have an attorney to fill it all out. That's why it's a scary moment if you truly are someone without means who needs to get a temporary restraining order from someone you know, like a domestic situation. And she provides red carpet video photos of where she clearly has bruises on her arms that she didn't cover up. I don't know if she included anything from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She probably forgot that hot Mike moment of where he said, I'm going to crush your hand. In it, she said he would choke her, oftentimes push her head against a wall, that he hit her, that he squeezed her shoulders and her arms and her hands. She also provided a very disturbing photo of her with one very bad black eye in which

she said she was going to his office at the time. I don't know if he still has his office or not, but she was going to his office at the time. That is where he got all paranoid. He thought there were bugs or whatever, recording devices in potted plants. And when she tried to calm him down, they got in an argument. Police came because they were so loud. The police left.

And that after that is when he hit her and she received that black eye, which was a photo, I think from 2022. He now after that came out and she received her temporary restraining order from him, she also said he has numerous unregistered firearms. So that made her nervous. More coming back from real half-past of Beverly Hills, as we remember the famous storyline of which Brandi Glanville said she went to visit Denise on set while she's doing a Hallmark movie in Canada and they were scissor sisters for the night.

They had some fun, a little lesbian love. Brandi has always said she's bisexual. She has gone on my show and said that she's had full relationships with women. She reveals all that, but she says to the girls on camera, Denise says, Aaron cannot know he will kill me. And Brandi felt very caught off guard by that because she thought they had like an open marriage or that he knew that she was kind of like bi or bi on occasion or whatever. And that was not the case according to Brandi Glanville. So now Aaron went on TMZ and is saying none of this is true. I've never

been abusive. I've only been protective of her. She was cheating. And I found out because one day we were about to watch TV and she got up to get something to eat or something. And I looked at her phone and since I have all of her pass codes and passwords, I looked at the phone and I saw that she was talking to a guy very inappropriately. I'm like, are we sure it's not her OnlyFans people that, you know, pay $10 for her to like talk to any of them? I kid. Obviously, I don't believe anything he says, but possibly did he see that she was talking to somebody? Yeah, because you're a fucking nightmare to live with because you're scary as shit, because you're controlling. Who knows?

Maybe she did. So he said she begged for him not to leave her and he tried to stay longer and make it work, but that she was cheating. So we're supposed to have sympathy for him because she was talking to guys that weren't her husband on the phone. He also said the black guy is caused from her drinking problem, that she has a Vicodin and drinking problem. And then when she was going to visit him one day at his office, she slipped and fell on

the stair going up there and like the handrail hit her in the eye and that his brother can or somebody can contest to it. We know from the show that for some reason with her generosity, his elderly parents are living in the home that we saw them have on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. In her show on E with him and her two daughters, they live in another unit. The parents live there and you know, she's doing all these things. She also adopted a daughter. She has the two daughters with Charlie Sheen who are now like 18 and 23. She has a daughter who's like about 10 that she adopted as a single woman,

Eloise, who has disabilities. Erin never adopted that child. And now Erin, her soon to be ex-husband is saying that she was such an addict that she was violent towards that little girl that has disabilities. I mean, this guy, I don't, this is my opinion. You're a piece of shit. You're a liar. I don't believe you. Okay. That's my opinion.

But it's juicy. And that's why we're talking about it because we know these players and because we watched it on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills play out, their relationship. And also when I first announced that they were getting divorced because he filed, I said, I'm not surprised. And people thought maybe this was all an act because he was being sued for not a lot, like $75,000 or something. Maybe he's doing this to protect her assets. I said, no, I don't believe it.

Nobody's going to ask for these things and all that. So I was right about that. This is a real divorce. This is really happening and it's really getting ugly. She accusing him of physical abuse. He accusing her of cheating, child abuse, the worst thing you could choose someone to accuse someone of, due to addictions. And he also wrote a letter to her family begging for an intervention because she's been so abusive

to their daughter, the daughter that she adopted as a single woman that he has never legally adopted. He also said, my parents are living in a house, I guess, my parents are living in a house, I guess, that she put them in, that has a lot of maintenance issues and they're in their eighties and they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart to care, to help care for Eloise the handicapped daughter and all of her animals.

Why is it her responsibility to take care of your elderly parents? And if you don't like the house in Malibu, get the F out, okay? And if no one's buying your healing practices, like this guy, I am enraged. And that's my opinion. So I hope that this gets cleared up. I hope that people protect Denise at all costs. And maybe it's good that it all came out.

She can be free. She can get rid of him. And wow, what a dick. Okay. Now I've got to talk about the show that everybody is talking about, which is Amy Bradley is Missing and it's on Netflix. It came out this weekend.

It's a three-part documentary. And it is like the number one rated show on Netflix right now, and everybody's talking about it. So I watched it. Now, I'm gonna give my opinion. If you haven't seen it, you wanna skip a couple of minutes, fine. I don't think it really matters.

I just wanna say a couple of things, and maybe I'll get more into it on Thursday's show as well. This is about a girl who was 23, college graduate, played basketball in high school, athletic, though not extremely tall, but athletic, went on a cruise in 1998 going out of Puerto Vallarta for like a week to like Aruba and everything with her mom, dad, and 21-year-old brother. And the dad, they looked to have some money, but they decided they would take their 21 and 23 year old kids, not give them their own room.

They'd all share one very average room with a small balcony and the kids, I guess, the brother and sister were gonna sleep in the pullout couch or maybe there were two double beds. I don't know, but that's where they were staying. And after a day of drinking, she and the brother came back from the disco about 20 minutes apart, one at 3.30, her at like 3.45.

And they know that because of the card sliding into the door and she and he smoked cigarettes on the balcony. The brother went back into the room to fall asleep around 3.50. The dad woke up at 5.30, saw that she had stayed outside because she said, I want to stay outside on this lounge chair. And then at 6, he woke up again, 6 a.m., and she was no longer on the balcony, but her Birkenstock shoes were left there.

He never heard her leave or anything, looked for her, couldn't find her. They never found her. And the mystery goes on for 30 years. And there are several theories based on people who said they saw her in these different islands in the area, which are that she had something to do with this guy who was a local musician, not local, but a musician on the cruise ship, that he may have taken her and trafficked her.

And she's been trafficked for the last 30 years and has never called her home or anything. And maybe that's because she has given birth and that she's so under the spell of these pimps that she met on the cruise ship that after being there for two days that she could never call her. Oh, the other thing is she was an out lesbian. That part's very interesting because it was 1998 and she came out to her parents and the dad was not happy with it and he wrote her girlfriend a three page letter saying

that he was so disappointed in her. Like what? Someone else's child you're writing her to? So they didn't accept her sexuality. And to me, I'm sorry this is juicy scoop but I'm going to be honest, I think she looked like she was someone that could have a girlfriend. I think she had short hair. I think she kind of seemed to carry herself in a way that you would not be surprised to

hear that. But the parents weren't having it. And so I will talk more about it and I want you to tell me what you think and why you think. But a lot of the comments of people talking about this are that they don't totally believe that she was trafficked and has like Stockholm syndrome living in Barbados. I just don't believe it.

I don't believe that people that work on cruise ships would sacrifice a career as a musician on a cruise ship, who's like a native of that area going, oh guys, I found a good one. She's 23. She's a college graduate. She also plays basketball. She's staying on the cruise ship, not with a bunch of other drunk girls, but her mom and dad and brother. Okay. I think we found our golden girl everybody that we're going to make so much money off of. Let's lure her off the boat somehow and

put enough drugs in her that she can be under our spell for 30 years while we traffic her in the islands of the Barbados world. There's all these, you know, eyewitnesses and things. I think they're thirsty. I think people love to be part of trying to solve a juicy crime. But most importantly, this is a documentary. And documentaries get greenlit and do well because it gets people talking. If you're a documentarian, you are going to edit it and create it in a way that in the

beginning you think one thing, in the middle you think another, and by the end you're just confused and that does this and that's why it is really well done and is really juicy. In the beginning, you think one thing, in the middle, you think another, and by the end, you're just confused. And that does this. And that's why it is really well done and is really juicy. However, it is my opinion, unfortunately, that and I did a TikTok on it right after I finished watching it. I think that she wasn't that happy with her life for a number of reasons. That she was also drinking all day, probably had more alcohol than her seven beers that was on her tab, might have

been on some drugs. Seeing that water on a cruise ship, I've been on a cruise ship, it's very alluring. And there's where you're like thinking about it. And if you're not in the right state of mind, I think that she went for it. And if you're not in the right state of mind, I think that she went for it. And I think it happened between 5.30 and 6 a.m. I think the parents would have heard her walk through the tiny room and leave and have that door shut. I don't know.

I think the parents don't want to accept it. I think they would rather think that she was out being a victim of somebody than that she chose to leave them on this earth without her. I think that's my opinion. Also, I've been on cruise ships and I remember I got the wristband to get all the drinks. Peter didn't. We'd like to save a buck back in the day and it all worked out. I'm doing fine now. I wouldn't have to do this then, now, but I did it then. So that's the type of thing. You're trying to get drinks. I would go and get a drink and then hand it to Peter and then I'd run down to another bar so that I could get another

drink and I didn't want people to think that I was doing that. I was doing that. We didn't pay for internet one year when we were on the Caribbean cruise and I lost my son several times. It was a very stressful trip because we didn't want to pay for the extra internet. Those are the kind of people that go on these cruises. And then the staff is there and they just want to make their money and send it home to their family. They're not looking to do a pimp business on the side.

And that is what I think. And then just yesterday, the brother, Brad Bradley, what a name, he tweeted or went on X and said that there were some things that were not included in the documentary. One, that she was dating a man before she went on this cruise, which we see the girlfriend that she has,

who says she has a lovely letter from her apologizing and saying that she feels stranded and she loves her, that she received like a month before she went missing, which also leads me to believe that she really wasn't as settled in her life as we'd like to believe, and therefore could have taken her life into her own hands.

Now the brother says, oh, I forgot to tell one thing I've always wanted to investigate it is before the pool party, the day that she went missing, she was talking to two black women on the pool deck that were wearing uniforms, but they weren't Royal Caribbean uniforms. I realized later that they're Sea Org uniforms from Scientology. And so he thinks that one of the other possibilities is that maybe she wasn't trafficked. Maybe she was kidnapped or lured into Scientology for the last 30 years. I disagree. I'm sorry. That's not how Scientology works. They want to get people in there that'll stay in for years, that will recruit other people,

that will buy years and years of materials and use their credit cards. And it's not, oh, let's just find this one girl who again is on a cruise with family. These are not the people that get taken into cults or traffic. They, an established person with family, family around, they are not an easy target.

That's not who, in my opinion, get taken. So when you think about all that, tell me what you think. But it's on Netflix, it's available now, so go watch that. All right, you guys, before we get into my juicy interview with Sheena Shay, remember to go to heathermcdonnell.net, join my Patreon. That's where I really get into the juicy stuff. I give you the behind the scenes feelings

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time new customer offer for first three months only, speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan, taxes and fees extra, see Mint Mobile for details. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have the woman everybody is talking about. I'm confident New York Times bestselling author will be also on her list of singer, mother, star of Vanderpump Rules, the masked singer, possibly Dancing with the Star winner at one point. Sheena Shea, welcome back to Juicy Scoop, friend. How are you? Good.

Thank you for having me. Always good to see you. I know you're so busy. So we are doing this, you know, so it's on the zoom, which is fine because sometimes I like it better because other times people say I interrupt people in this way I can on zoom because I have so much to talk about. The book is great. First of all, I'm going to tell you how good the book is. It's so good. And I'm not blowing steam up your ass. So I'm sure the haters will say that.

But there's one, what I love about it is it kind of reads like what I used to be studying Shakespeare, Shakespearean plays, and I'd read Cliff Notes. Because that is what Vanderpump Rules is. It's so much of like, and what we didn't know is that these two people were talking and I ran around the corner and said this and if you've ever studied Shakespeare that really he was like writing reality TV. It was it's

preparing me to Shakespeare. I'm comparing reality TV to Shakespeare but you the way you describe what was going on in your life but also in the show, which was, you know, he wrote plays is like, it's why I'm always been fascinated by reality TV and why I've studied it and covered it. But how did you enjoy the process of writing the book? Oh, that's a loaded question. Um, it was a lot, you know, it cathartic for sure. It was great to put it all out there and to just literally put it in the book. Yeah, but collaborating with someone, you know, I touch on that a bit in the book, there was a leak, it was a process that didn't go

was a process that didn't go extremely smooth, and it was very challenging. So going through this, I now know if I do ever write another book, what I would do differently, what I would maybe do the same, but for my first book, for a memoir, I didn't know what I was doing. I may be a natural storyteller and have a journalism degree. However, I don't

know how to structure a book. I don't know what people will want to hear, what people won't want to hear. I could go on about my childhood for chapters, but how do we make it a little more concise? So the whole process, it was definitely a learning experience, some great cathartic times, but also a lot of tears, full on panic attacks, and wanting to just quit after I had a book deal in place. Well, you know, first of all, I guess you're saying, you know, I'm sure you, I've read all the criticism.

I mean, you've done some interviews that reveal some of the juicier parts of the book, and I'm seeing people, most, so the most juicy part of the juicier parts of the book. And I'm seeing people, most, so the most juicy part of the book is that you reveal that Brock, your now husband, father of Summer Moon, that after you had gotten married, which you got married after Summer was born when she was about two, during the Scandival thing,

Brock came to you because he, now this is where I get a little confused. So he saw something on a blind or a Reddit that that they that someone was saying that he had had an affair and therefore he wanted to tell you before it came to fruition. Not exactly. So there were several blind items about him and Raquel that were complete bullshit. But I still had to

question it. I still in my brain was like, I mean, if Tom and Raquel did this, could Brock and Raquel have done it? Like, no, no way. So those, it was annoying, but that was fine. Then there was another blind item that came out about a girl supposedly who he dated before me in San Diego, said she helped him pack his bags for the Australia trip where we made it official. He said that that was also bullshit. But then part of me was like, there's probably some truth to this.

Maybe it wasn't that she packed his bags for Australia, but they probably were talking before me. I do know he was seeing someone before me and he cut that off and we made it official in Bali. And as far as I knew, he was always faithful after that. So with that blind item, I think he was like, okay, the recall thing was completely bullshit. Like, yeah, there was someone I dated before, but also knowing what he had done. What if that's the next blind item that comes out? Because now either that woman feels like revealing it or she told a friend or someone wants, you know,

a few hundred bucks to sell a story. I don't even know how much you get for those. But I think he just felt like if this is gonna come out, Sheena deserves to hear it from me, not on some blind item on a blog site. And it never did come out. Well, then a couple days after my book sold, there was a big blog site that had a blind item saying I was writing a book.

It just got picked up and there was going to be a chapter where I revealed Brock had a physical and emotional affair. It was never emotional. So that was the part of the blind item that wasn't true. But this came out two days after I sold my book and it didn't go anywhere else after that. It just kind of lived there, but knowing that it was out in the world, not knowing if it was going to be screenshot, if it was going to be posted somewhere else, it's behind a paywall. But maybe that is going to go somewhere else. Maybe it's going to go to Reddit. Like, I don't know. So then I felt like Brock had to tell my mom needed to tell my sister because I don't want my mom finding out from a blind

item. You know, I've kept this for over a year secret, but now what do we do? I had a rough outline of the chapter of if we put it in the book, here's what I would wanna say. He read it and he was just like, no, like this can't go in the book like this. And if you are gonna put it in the book, you need to give a hell of a lot more detail, which I did. And he didn't read it until it went to print. And then he was like, oh wow, you really went all in. in I'm like you told me if I was gonna put it in the book to add more detail

But once there, you know was a blind item and the more we talked about it We went back and forth for probably about eight months. It's in the book It's not in the book the book sold without them knowing at all What chapter 16 was there was a very vague description of what this chapter could be the book sold without them knowing at all what chapter 16 was. There was a very vague description of what this chapter could be. The book sold. So I felt like the book stood alone and was a good enough book without it. But the more I sat with it, the more I thought about it, I'm like, this is completely inauthentic of me to put out a book, a memoir, where I'm telling people that I'm an open book and I'm going to tell you everything about me that you didn't know, but I'm going to leave out a chapter in the book, leave out a chapter of my life and go from Skandoval to this past December.

It doesn't like, how do I talk about that last year and a half now, two and a half years of my life since I've known this. If I don't put it in the book, it just it wasn't, it wasn't going to be a real memoir that I would be genuinely proud of because I would feel like I did a disservice to myself and to everyone reading it that it wasn't the whole story. Well, I totally understand that of what you're sharing and and why you decide to share something, especially at your level of fame and the way the internet works. And I can relate a lot to that to like revealing something now. So I mean, as someone who knows you personally, was very into the scant sandoval, I follow a lot of people. I can say I never saw that or heard about it. I never had someone

DM it to me. So, um, that's kind of amazing actually that it didn't really get out there that much. I really am. But I just knew also if I didn't put it in the book for the rest of my life, sure, maybe I take it to my grave. Maybe we die with it and no one else ever finds out, but I will always be thinking about it in the back of my mind. I will always be looking over my shoulder. I will be in every scene moving forward

of my reality TV career, wondering, do they know, did they see that blind item? Are they gonna say something about it? And then let's say it comes out, my book is inauthentic. Like why would Sheena hide it on the show then say it comes out. My book is inauthentic. Like why would it Sheena hide it on the show then hide it in her book? Like I wasn't willing to do that. I didn't even hide it from production season 11. I was processing it. I wasn't ready to reveal what we were going through because I hadn't made a decision on if I was going to stay or leave. I was

going to fight as hard as I could to see if I was strong enough to stay because of course it's easier to walk away. You betrayed me done with you by moving on, but it wasn't so cut and dry. I have a child to think about. Well, we were life together. I'm not going to let a mistake you made two and a half years ago define our future when you've proven what an amazing husband you are. He is such an incredible father to summer. And I know that he has so much

regrets from his past. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve a second chance at being a dad. So to just get the timeline straight for people that are big Vanderpump people. So you're pregnant, unbeknownst to you, he is going to the gym and meets a girl, and they have an affair for a short period of time, but it wasn't a one-timer. That ends.

You have summer, you guys, you know, plan on getting married, you get engaged, all that. Scandal breaks. And during the scandal time, you hear the stupid rumors about Raquel, but you don't know anything that he actually had ever stepped out while you guys were a couple. So when he tells you, when you're about to watch Real Housewives of New Jersey, which I'm guessing, I don't know if that if you've ever been able to watch it since, but maybe it's not coming back. No, no, not saying I want that. Not saying I want that. So, so then you still have the final season that you guys were all in together to film. So you have this in you. And we see you, you know, being worried about Tom Sandoval having,

you know, thoughts about ending his life. You say that can't happen because in the book you reveal a very sad experience that you had with someone who did. And that seems all very real. And then, you know, it's coming to the end. And what's also really interesting about the book is you really go there in revealing what things you are pushed to do because of producers or Lisa Vanderpump. And what just one particular thing that you and Lala and a couple of the other girls decided

to make a bigger deal out of to have like a better fight happen, which was, were you going to share your proposal or not that you guys were actually engaged while Raquel and James were celebrating their engagement party? So I really appreciated that knowing how these shows work, knowing that other shows like the Hills we now know through my good friend Spencer and Heidi, who are just the loveliest couple ever that you know, they weren't assholes. They weren't you know, that that was very scripted. But yours really is. I talk about that a little bit in the book too.

That you like were to did like a small bit with them and then she drives up just like, Hey, girl, hope you know that's me. Yeah, so that all that stuff is, is why everyone should buy the book because there's so many great other LA moments and things that were never caught on camera. And you like, you know, your early years in LA, which I find so fun and relatable.

But so with that, you know, the criticism that you're down getting from people who are never going to be your fan, no matter what you write, you know, but this is big news story is she, I could see this being completely fake. She and Brock, I could see her putting Summer to bed and going, Brock, I know how we're gonna sell this book. Get me Secured on the Valley. Get me On Dancing with the Stars. Get me all the parts because now I'll have sympathy because I was cheated on. And of course we know that's not true,

but how do you feel about people thinking that you guys made this up to sell a book, which when someone put that, I immediately wrote, no, it's not true. There's no way there's not a man on this earth that would say, Yeah, let's do this and make me look fucking horrible. Like, there's no way. Yeah, no, I okay, so I've pretty much stayed out of the comment section. So the fact that people are saying I made it up. First

of all, let's, let's go back to season eight when they brought in new cast members and the show was being planned to split into two, which now became The Valley. And I was going to be a part of both shows. I was a part of The Valley before it existed. Then, you know, pandemic, season nine, the cancellations, all of that, everything gets pushed. Now season 10 is picked up, which I'm offered a day rate for the second time, slap in the face. Wait, I wanna just go back to that part because I just read that part in the book.

And which is another reason why, you know, even if you, people are like, why wouldn't she have shared this on the show? I am so proud of you that if you were going to share it, that you were going to save it for yourself, whether it was going to be an explosive podcast episode, if it was going to be a special on NBC or for it was going to be a book. I am so glad that you didn't give another huge part of your life on a platter,

because reading that scene in the book that you're about to go and watch what happens live and the producer calls you, doesn't even know that you're about to go on watch what happens live. This is how disrespectful, you don't even know I'm doing your, to say, we need you to come in for the meeting

and then you call Alex Baskin, five minutes before you're about to sit with Andy Cohen, scared and you're like, what is this meeting about? And he's like, it's not one before you're about to sit with Andy Cohen scared and you're like, what is this meeting about? He's like, it's not one that you're going to like. And then they demote you and put you to the day rate, which I'm really glad you didn't quit because they did the same thing to Luanne and look at her. She had like, you know, made the most money that season, did a juicy thing. But it's a huge ego crusher, especially because we all know the show started because of you.

So like- Yeah, no, a huge slap in the face. So then have it happen to me a second time. And so in the pandemic, pregnant, you know, there's talks of the valley. It is gonna happen. I meet with producers, they, you know, are wanting to shoot a pilot.

They shoot us Zoom interview and all of this. And then I find with producers, they, you know, are wanting to shoot a pilot, they shoot us zoom interview and all of this. And then I find out for season 10, I'm only being offered a day rate. And I'm like, you know what, do we just walk away? Do we just say, fuck it, let's try the valley, let's go on that first season, and do that. But then they weren't going to be filming anytime soon. So I'm like, or we do one more season, I collect my day rates. Maybe we get married on it.

Maybe we don't. We'll figure that out. We're already married. And then we'll talk about, you know, the Valley next year. Well, then we get picked up again. So I'm sorry, I'm not going to take a season one new show income over a season 11. Right.

And so I pop in on that season two, I pop in on that. Cause we still thought we had a season 12. I was never choosing the Valley over Vanderpump Rules. Now Vanderpump Rules has gone its way and who knows what will happen season three. But for everyone saying I'm so desperate to get on the Valley and I'm trying to sell a book and use my family

and all of that, I just want to remind them that I've been a part of this show since before it actually existed. And I would never sell my family out to sell an actual book. I'm telling my truth because it's my story and there's no way I could put out a memoir and not tell my full story. And if there's anything missing from the book, it's not anything that's a skeleton in my closet because all of those are out. And maybe could have gone into some more detail on some stuff, but I'm like, no, this is literally all of me.

And it's kind of scary. I mean, I think that's great. And I can imagine the feeling you felt of being underappreciated. And the fact that, you know know in reading the book how often you did you were the yes person you were the person the producer could call or Lisa and say hey when we film tomorrow you need to do this and the conversations with Lisa are you know you're being truthful I can see it happening I don't

think it's a bad thing she's's got a show, you know, it's kind of what the other housewives have said, you know, that she would, you know, have a way of talking and dropping things. I am friendly with Lisa. And she has told me things that have yet to come out about cast members on certain shows she's participated in. And she's like, now don't tell anyone. And I don't think she knows who I am, because I don't tell when people say don't tell anyone, actually don't. And I kind of was like, hmm. And she's some of the

stories she's told me a couple times. And I'm like, I know you think I'm like, maybe these other bloggers don't say anything. Yeah, these other bloggers or whatever. But I that's not how I run juicy scoop. That's not what you scoop is about. It's not what Heather McDonald stand of comedians about. I love this stuff. And I love to talk about it and explain it in a way that I know is juicy. And that's not, you know, jumping the gun and destroying someone's life before it's out there. Like, I'm always like, I'm not breaking news. I like to have the news out there and then I'll comment and talk about it because I'm

not out to destroy someone's life. So I can totally see how that works. Don't necessarily think she's a bad person, but when then in the book, you kind of felt like, you know, then again, when you're not useful, you felt unappreciated, pushed to the side, thrown away. And I think that's a really vulnerable thing that you wrote about, too. Yeah, I kind of felt, you know, used after all of these years. It's like, she could have told me from the beginning, look, I know you were involved in this situation a few years ago, his ex-wife is on the show, you're probably gonna run into her,

but you know, this could turn into something and maybe it would feel cathartic of you to apologize. She could have just been so honest with me and I would have been like, yeah, absolutely. It still would have been the same decision. But it's- It's dating Eddie Cibrian and the brandy situation. Yeah, when you really realize how blindsided you were, however, as a viewer, maybe it was

the smartest way to execute it, though you were used as a pawn, but you did get a show out of it. It was a successful show. So it's like, in hindsight, would that have been the classier thing, but it probably wouldn't have been as real, and the show is reality TV. But you know, so it's all,

but that's what's kind of interesting is then you, as a 40 year old woman, you know, but you wrote this when you were 39, but like, you know, reflecting back on knowing everything that you know, reflecting back on knowing everything that you know. Now let's jump to the final scene of the end of Vanderpump Rules as we know it, okay, which is you guys are in San Francisco and it's the final episode and it's very clear from everything we know now and what you guys have revealed on your own podcasts and in your book

everything we know now and what you guys have revealed on your own podcasts and in your book, that this one particular producer, Jeremiah, I guess it was him, if it was him, that was pushing you guys to want Ariana to have this scene in which she felt it would be a redemption scene for Tom Sandoval to like, hey, I'm really sorry, whatever. And she just wasn't going to give him that she didn't want to give it to him. And to the viewers watching it, they

many of them felt that you and Lala were coming from a place which you did say, you know, this is or one of you guys, it's this is our show. We have children. But it to some people interpreting it was like if you if Ariana doesn't do this scene with Tom Sandoval, she's taking food out of, you know, Little Summer Moon and Ocean's Mouth, which when you say it like it seems yeah, it doesn't seem great. How do you feel now about that time and how you're being pushed in these directions, and also being the breadwinner of your family. And this being the majority of your income is being a star on Vanner Pumph rules.

It was frustrating at the time where I felt like there was a big emotional weight put on Lala and I to carry out this Tom storyline. I obviously had extreme sympathy for the mental state he was in going through losing someone very close to me to suicide in my past. So that definitely struck a chord, whether Lisa knew that or not, I'm not sure, but that kind of changed the path on how I was approaching him. I also knew that if I continued

to project anger and hate on him, then I kind of had to keep doing that to my husband. And I wanted to work towards forgiving my husband. But then did that mean I had to forgive Tom? And it was this whole inner battle with me. And people wanna go and say, you know, that I was so jealous of Ariana for getting Dancing with the Stars and all these opportunities. And now I'm trying to have my Ariana moment. And I'm like, no, I'm not trying to have that at all.

I'm just trying to give some more context. And also I think if anything, one thing that I was envious of, of Ariana, it was two things, actually, she got to just walk away from the relationship. She got betrayed and she got to leave. It wasn't that easy for me. But also one thing that I envy that I also have so much respect for are how strong her boundaries are, because that's something that I struggle with. And now in hindsight, looking back, she didn't owe it to anyone to have a conversation with Tom. Not me, not production, not the network, not anyone. She lived her truth. She was real on reality TV. She was authentic. And that meant walking away. And in the moment, it was frustrating when I felt like

I was picking up the pieces of a job that I didn't want to do to fill in for her. But now looking back, I'm like, she handled that like such a boss and I didn't handle it as well as I could have. I also felt like my entire world was crashing down on me. And the one thing I was good at doing was my job. So have you, you know, I know that you are happy for her and

she's just killing it on, you know, and it is amazing that she's on the show that is the most talked about show right now with with the Love Island and doing great. And I have no doubt that you are happy for her. But where is your friendship? Has she reached out since your book came out? By any chance has she read it or at least read interviews in which you spoke about her? We haven't talked since anything has come out with the book.

I did send her a copy of it. So not sure if she's gotten that ready yet. I know what she said on Amanda Hirsch's podcast. She's more of an audio book girl. So it does come with a you know, audio book credit or whatever. But I mean, I hope she reads it. I hope she listens and you know, I hope we can have a conversation about it one day, but I completely respect her boundaries. I understand that I hurt her. I hope she understands where I felt hurt in this situation as well. But at the end of the day,

I was the one hiding something. And I am a really good actress, apparently, because no one fucking knew. I said in the book, you know, I wished she would have noticed because I would have thought she knew me better than that. But then even after I wrote the book, I thought about it, like my mom didn't notice my sister didn't notice people closest to me, did not notice because I just acted like everything was fine and dandy. So that's not her fault. That can't be on her, you know, but I guess I just wished that maybe back then those closest to me checked in on me a little more.

And I like, but how are you? You seem a little off because I'm like, did I just fool all of you guys like that? Well, like no one ever noticed that something was just like, why is this affecting you so much? Why are you going so hard on Tom? Why are you trying to like, Yeah, but you know, I'm going to tell you, she does seeing that just read the book, you have a real pattern. And I'm sure maybe you've realized I haven't. You take care of all these men in your life, you know, and the same thing happened with Shay. You, Mike Shay, you put him, you know, he was on the show, you married him, you had cold feet the day you got married, you, and you have that scene with a couple of the girls,

and they say, and the producer says, what is off? And again, you only give half of what was off, which was you're pretty, he was lying to you. I remember we talked about this on the first, I think the first time you came on Juicy Scoop, because I thought it was so compelling that you realized he was abusing some type of prescription drug that he was not prescribed for.

And he, but he was lying. He was lying, you knew that from phone situations, he barged your sister's phone, you could just check on an iCloud. But in the lying about where he was for possible drug and alcohol abuse, you had at that time from the show and from some friends that you saw suspicious stuff of women writing him and DMing him and all of that. So I do feel that you have a real thing inside of you to protect the men that you're with. You've been on this show for so long. And I think there's something in that

you bring these guys on, they're on the show with you and they love you. But if something doesn't go right, somehow you feel guilty because not only is this a fight for a normal person, maybe a few friends know, maybe a mother knows, but the world knows that your boyfriend fucked up. Yeah. I mean, that's accurate. I don't really have any. Yeah. I mean, and I think that's kind of like, I kept seeing it like in reading the book, you know, for whether it's, you know, the Eddie Cibrian who, you know, really, I mean, you're right.

You were 21. He was 33. He didn't wear a ring. This was before Google. You didn't know. He was out with you at places. You weren't exclusive. But then when you guys go to Mammoth and he pays for your ski equipment and he teaches you how to snowboard and you're with friends and how would any, why would anybody expecting his second child with a wife? And you know, and so that was, I was like, yeah, and that is a huge difference and age difference and everything.

And so, I mean, it was, it's a very, what I think is so interesting about the book is those beginning, those, those chapters all before Vanderpump starts. And, you know, you living in your, your cute apartment, I know exactly the building you mean. The Fondantoy. your cute apartment. I know exactly the building you mean. The font. Yeah, it also makes you a little bit sad as a native Angelino, how much LA has changed. Because I had a similar, such though I'm older than you, like, you know, 25 years ago when I was, you know, living the Brentwood life and doing groundlings and stand up, I had all those fun stories, which is in my book, you'll never live all this town again. You talked about all the guys who fucked. I talked about the ones I dry humped, but it was a lot of those fun stories that I do

when younger people read it. They're like, Oh my God, you went on this date and you went on this date. Like people don't date anymore. Oh my God, your neighborhood sounds so cute. It kind of makes me sad. And I'm praying that like, Los Angeles can get cute again, because it feels like I don't know that a girl could like live the life that you and I live now in LA the way we lived it, you know, it sucks. So different. I mean, just even with social media, camera phones, like, yeah, it's changed just so much. I felt like my

generation was the last one where we got that normalcy at a club where you could go out any night of the week see Britney Spears 2000 or 2007 in a blue wig at Ladoo and no one's taking photos of her unless you know paparazzi is outside. It was just like, what a time. Right? Yeah. So that was all really cool. Now. Another juicy thing is kind of like you, your relationships with like threesomes and girls, and even one time you say,

at one time you started to catch feelings for one of these girls. And I feel like that is something that is pretty juicy to someone like me. I don't have friends that are married to men that had relationships with girls prior. I know it's like a much more fluid time, but you know, we know from the show, Kristin and Brittany allegedly had a one night, you know, eat out and then Lala and Ariana did. And then you talk about Don, how do you pronounce your name? Donya? Dana?

Oh no, that wasn't Dana who I was talking about. Wasn't there one girl that you said when you were pissed at Brock, you made out with her at a concert? Oh, that was Dana. Yeah, no, Dana, Kathan, like from the show. But then there was another girl that you, I guess you don't say who it is,

but like you kind of were like, oh, can you speak on that? Cause I think that's pretty juicy. Yeah, I mean, this was a girl who I met at stagecoach 2019. It was at neon carnival, the only time they've ever done a neon carnival for that. The guy who she had just been with, I guess she ran into or something with him. And then I ran into Rob and his new girlfriend at neon carnival. And I just wasn't in a good place. Some guys from the Bachelorette show,

her friend was talking to one of them. So it kind of ended up just being the two of us at this after party. We totally hit it off. We bonded, we met up the next day for the festival. And it just felt like we had known each other for so long. We had an instant connection. And when we got back to LA,

we just started hanging out all of the time we were inseparable. And then there was one night I remember we're at the shop bar at Tom Tom. And she just grabbed my face and kissed me and I was like, what was that? Like I was not expecting that but then also I didn't hate it. And then it became a more regular thing and then would be out and we would hold hands and we would have our little date nights and whatnot. And I felt like maybe this could turn into something. Like, I don't know if this is my forever, if this is my

future, but maybe it's my for now. Like maybe we explore where this goes. And I felt like both of us had deep feelings for each other, but I didn't know if either side was necessarily romantic. And I didn't want to have like the talk. I was too afraid of rejection and her being like, Oh no, sweetie, I just kissed you when I'm drunk. Like it's nothing more. So neither of us really ever had that conversation because I met Brock that year. She was with me when I met him. So that kind of transition of, I don't know that this is going to turn into anything because now I'm dating this guy and Brock was not okay with it when I kissed her one time when we were all out together after him and I were already official. And so naturally we just kind of started to distance

from each other. We went from being inseparable, talking all day, every day to just not hanging out much. Then we go into a pandemic. Brock and I were living at my house in Palm Springs. I actually gave her my apartment in Marina to go to with her cat. I was like, there's just, there's more space there,

like go and quarantine there. And he knew that and he was fine with it. But then just slowly through the pandemic, we just kind of grew apart. And I felt like it was a slow fallout, but I also knew the day Brock and I made it official. And when he got so upset that I had kissed her again once that I couldn't keep someone close to me in my life who I did have feelings for who, you know, I was considering exploring

something with and slowly we just kind of stopped talking and she had sent me a really long text, like one of those ones that you have to click on to expand. Never received a text like that in my life. But after I read it, I was just like, oh my God, did I break this girl's heart? Or does she just miss her friend? Like it was a very confusing time in my life because I didn't fully explore what that was or what that could have been

because I met Brock and Brock and I just had a spark from the beginning as well and that was the path I chose and you know. So in your wild days of you know, really the wild days were all kind of pre Vanderpump but in your wild days, you would have threesomes and stuff. But this, but with this girl, did you only kiss or would you go all the way just the two of you? No, we didn't really make it to second base or anything. It was pretty much like cuddles, handholding, makeouts, like we hadn't gotten to the next level. I wasn't against it necessarily. It just hadn't happened yet. And had I not met Brock when I did, if we had a few more months together, or however long, maybe it would have crossed another line. But it hadn't gotten there yet.

So a couple other things. One, another thing I thought was really juicy in the book is when you talk about how there was a editor named Brie Bree who went on a podcast and laughed and said her favorite thing to do was to edit all of Sheena's cringiest moments together. And she got fired, which I'm like, God, even the editors are thirsty to go on a podcast. Like what the fuck? Like, and I think I relate to you as the pick me girl or whatever, because I, you know, when I was on Chelsea lately, we kind of had a heightened personas of the regulars. And we did a show called, you know, after lately, which was like a curb

your enthusiasm, we're playing ourselves, but it would be heightened stories heightened. And so my persona was literally on the poster, the fame whore, like the fame, which is like, because I knew the Kardashians because we live near each other. And before either of us were an E, I knew them. So whatever. But meanwhile, I'm the fame whore, but you're the one that's, you know, hanging out with, with, you know, Jennifer Aniston and all these people. Okay, whatever. But I went along with it because, you know, I'm like you, ready down to do anything, down to wear a camel toe and an open sketch and have the camera zoom in on my crotch.

I did everything to keep that fucking job and provide for the family. So I totally relate to you. But that, like, that is heartbreaking, but it's also just like, I love that you included that part for people to know that. And part of the thing of Rob putting up the TV in seven minutes is a kind of a really fun moment, I actually think, that should be embraced.

But it also made me go, you know, you kind of had this, you know, husband, I'm sure he was a nice guy, but you know that Mike Shay wasn't doing that. And these other guys. And this guy actually was capable of things. And I'm like, Rob was handy. But Brock, the builder is handier. He is handy. I cannot believe how impressed I was that the wall, like the hinges, whatever it's called, like that framework was already on his wall. He simply put it on, yes, in under seven minutes. But the fact that it took him close to seven minutes to put a TV on the brackets that were

already in the wall, not so impressive. Putting a hitch on a truck for the boat, not so impressive. Putting a hitch on a truck for the boat, not so impressive. But compared to my past relationship where I'm the one hanging up the artwork in the house, I'm the one fixing the wifi when it goes out, setting up our landline, because when we lived at Park La Brea, we had no service. Just like all of those little things,

like I was so used to doing. So the fact that this man just put a TV on the wall, I was like, oh my God, he's a man. I mean, that's amazing. Okay, now let's jump to the whole Sandoval thing with Raquel. One of the things I didn't really know, and I felt like I knew everything,

was when you found out, when she blurts out after you guys were hanging out that night after you watched what happens live, where she says, I was having an affair with Tom Sandoval for seven months, Ariana just found out. And your reaction makes so much more sense when you read the book, because Lala was suspicious, Katie was suspicious, you asked her point blank on more than one occasion if something was happening. And it was just it was truly like such a weird gaslight situation. That that just makes, you know, it made so much more sense,

because it was a shock, but it wasn't totally it was more like even a larger betrayal because you were like, we did ask and I and I was like, you're crazy Lala and like, I believe her and all of that. Now all this time passed, like, what's your feelings now towards her? She, she had the podcast tell all she ended that is she appears to be doing soundbats and like with a non entertainment person. Do you think that you would ever want to have a conversation with her? I think that would be up to her. She's the one who has me blocked, but you know, she's

also the one who put me in the legal system. That was just, when that was going on with the restraining order and all that stuff, that was just shocking. Where does the case and maybe you don't know, where does the case, where's the case now with her and suing Ariana and- No idea, honestly. And Tom. Yeah. Their lawsuits.

Because I mean, even when we talk, it's not about anything serious like that. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, going back to that, I just just I did feel like I needed to put that all in the book because there was so much more to the story that people didn't get, you know, and I wish her nothing but the best, you know, I hope she's happy in Arizona doing her sound baths. I think she needed to get her side of the story out on her podcast. And that's what she felt like she needed to do. That's why I wrote a book, you know, it can be cathartic,

but I think it is healthiest for her to have stepped out of the spotlight. And yeah, I mean, I hope she's doing well, you know, enough time has passed. Yeah. But I'm certainly not gonna be reaching out. And how do you feel about The Valley as a show? Have you enjoyed watching it?

I mean, you show up, but you're not a part of the drama. You basically, Janet's the drama, and Janet was your friend and met you at an event, which people are criticizing her. You know, she was a fan. It's like, you approach people because know, she was a fan. It's like you approach people because you saw them on a show. I mean, she's been around quite a long time to finally make it on the show. So what are your feelings towards all of that?

Well, and also people are acting like I posted I was going to be at the Mondrian that day. Like I had an appearance and she sought me out. It just so happened. I went to the Mondrian that day and ran into her. You know, I think, yeah, she's getting a ton of hate right now and watching the show. I can understand why the audience has certain perspectives and hopefully one day you're able to see more of her story and more context and she has her podcast and whatnot.

So it is hard to watch. Alex says, he's like, yeah, everyone's saying the show's dark. Like, yeah, it is. This is reality. You know, people are going through dark shit. So it's hard to watch my friends go through such hard times. You know, it is challenging to watch and hopefully moving forward. It's a little more fun. And, you know, I think that was the reality. I mean, I wonder being that she, you know,

was around it being your friend, we see her in several episodes of Vanderpump Rules. She was always like at your parties and stuff. Even she probably thought out of all the people to be on reality TV, okay, I'm prepared, I'm prepared. But the truth is, if it's a reality show, yeah, you say something, and you can't put the toothpaste back in the bottle.

And if it's juicy, they're gonna keep it. Even if she went running up to them and said, hey, can you take out the part that I said about Dani essaying? They wouldn't. So it's like, you know, there's nothing she can do at this point. She was just, you know, in an argument. And when you're in arguments with people that, you know,

if cameras weren't around, those things might have been said. It's like, yes, you're on the clock, but you've been vacationing and you're drinking and you're living your life. And like, you know, it is it is really hard, you know, to be like, okay, what if I, you know, even when in the book when you're like, I didn't really want to give them the wedding, because they were like, we don't want to see Brock anymore. And then they're like, Well, if you do the wedding, you know, and it's just kind of like, but then again, you know, like, I have to

give them something. So sure, let's have a fun wedding. Now, the thing that you know, like I have to give them something. So sure, let's have a fun wedding. Now the thing that you put the wedding on the on the show, besides us, maybe the venue giving you a deal because they want to be featured on the show. This the show never gives you like, hey, here's 30,000 towards your wedding, or do they? No, there's small budgets towards a tab for a party.

It's like never more than a thousand dollars, like maybe two to 500 where it's like, okay, we have this at the tab or you get two drinks, like whatever it is, there's a very, a bare minimum that gets put towards these parties. So when you see all of the housewives with these elaborate parties and stuff, the network is not paying for them.

Production's not paying for them. We either get trade outs and we get shit for free for posting or we're paying for it out of our own pocket. They did not contribute anything to my wedding other than we were able to get some trades for stuff because it was featured on the show. And I mean, the wedding was incredible. So I was really happy that they did end up filming it, but they didn't pay for it at all.

And are you happy that you didn't wear a two-piece wedding gown? You know, it would have been probably a more appropriate setting on the beach, but I wanted to go a little more timeless, a little more classic, and that's what I did. I felt like my first wedding too, I regretted the color of my hair. Just like, why would you have your wedding photos with this, you know, blonde

kind of highlight, ombre look? Like that's not classic. I wanted my dark hair, but what am I going to do? Retake our wedding photos? I mean, yeah. Yeah. And isn't it crazy that, you know, the, the dress designer, you know, and his husband, that, that had they said the right last name and not just Tom, where they said, we saw Raquel kissing Tom, they actually told you that and you didn't inquire, you just assumed it was Tom Schwartz how different that's why when I'm reading it which reminds me of like the Shakespearean plays that were too hard for me to understand and I'd get these things called cliff notes and the way they would describe you know like so many things in your life too is like that where you say if I hadn't of you know

been hurt by this person then I wouldn't have gone to this party and I hadn't have, you know, been hurt by this person, then I wouldn't have gone to this party and I wouldn't have met this person. And then this, I wouldn't have been on the, I wouldn't have worked at Villa and if I hadn't worked at the Villa, then I wouldn't have got Villa Blanca, then I wouldn't have been on the show. And like, I think that's like a really cool thing that you've recognized in your writing as well and reflecting on your life. Like, I always say that too, like there's times where people go, do you have regrets? And there's little regrets I have.

I should have bought a play set for my sons in my backyard, whatever. I always bring that up a million times. Okay, my husband was like, you can go down to the park. Whatever, I would have just liked to have a cup of coffee and watch them play. But as far as like jobs, losing out on a home that you maybe made an offer on, all of those things, I will say, they all work out.

Like being fired from a job, breaking up with someone, they all work out. It just might take months or years. And then one day you wake up and you're like, thank God that happened. Thank God I told off that person and the relationship ended in a negative way because then I wouldn't have been at rock bottom and I wouldn't have built this new business. Like all those things have to happen. And so, you know, in concluding,

like there's just, it's a great book. I think it should be a TV show. Thank you. I think it should be a scripted show. And I think that's what I'm going to manifest for you in your new thing that you will be executive producing things that would be very interesting from that time. I think there's now we're on almost 20 years, you know, Happy Days was about the 50s. It came out in the 70s.

People are thirsting for stuff 20 years ago. And so I think it would be a great show. I think people would love to see LA during that time. And I think you are the story of a girl that did all the right things. She went to college, she took that class. I took that same class with Marquis Costello, that hosting class. All those things, you know,

thought you do all these things got into the beginnings of the explosion of reality TV, but not the infancy of it, like you were familiar with it. And, and then also, like, as you embark on this, you know, the fact that you are, you know, committed to your marriage, and that this did happen two, the fact that you are, you know, committed to your marriage, and that this did happen two years ago and you guys are still together and working through it. How, how is he taking it? Like, how is he Brock dealing with it? Is he off social media? Is he turning comments off? Like, what are you guys doing to get through this time

while you also enjoy the success of the book? Yeah, trying to protect our peace for sure. He has had a hard time with it. You know, he's trying to stay off social media, stay out of the comment section. He will be on my podcast next week. So we will be going into more of this then. But it's been tough, you know, we've dealt with it privately for so long. And for the past eight, nine months, you know, we've dealt with it privately for so long and for the past eight, nine months, you know, with family and the closest friends to us, but now it's out there for the world.

So it's not easy, you know, having an Us Weekly cover that I'm so proud of, but then the giant word cheating across my chest, it's like, he's like, well, I was proud of you for getting a cover, but like, I don't really want to post that on my page. And I'm like, I understand. But you know, this is something that we chose to put in the book and it is going to be a big topic of conversation. So just know that like we're in this for the long run. I'm not going anywhere.

He's not going anywhere. We're committed to working on our relationship. You know, and the thing that does tie everything together is cheating and infidelity. You know, the show started because, you know, they found out that you had an affair before he got with Leanne. What's her name? Leanne Rimes. However, I remember seeing that it was,

the first story that came out was Eddie Cibrian is cheating with Leanne Rimes, and he's married to this woman, Brandi Glanville. No one had heard of Brandi Glanville. They sought her out then, and I remember my friend said, you know, the newest housewife on Real House at Beverly Hills is the girl that the woman that Eddie Cibrian cheated on. So she got

hired because he cheated with Leanne Rimes, who was a bigger name. Then they brought Vanderpump in because you had a history and put the you know, the scarlet letter on you. And then the Scannable thing exploded because that was so interesting because not only was there a cheating layer, but it was a layer with a best friend. And I think the audience is women,

and we do find this very compelling to talk about. You know, it's the oldest sin in a marriage. It happens. You know, it is why it's interesting. You know, if everybody on these shows had perfect marriages and perfect friendships and perfect businesses, they mostly, those people don't get asked back, like, or they don't get hired.

Like, it's not juicy enough. And then they're like, come up with a better storyline than your kid, you know, suffering with a learning disability. Well, you're like, well, that's all storyline than your kid, you know, suffering with a learning disability. Well, you're like, well, that's all I've got. Like, what do you want? You want me to have a, you want me to just suddenly create something?

And I know none of these things are created. That's why I was like, oh my God, I'm seeing these like TikToks and stuff of like, I think Cheena did it so that she could sell books and finally get on Dancing with the Stars. That is so not a goal of mine anymore. I'm just like that was a dream of Sheena from her 20s and 30s. That's not a dream of Sheena in her 40s.

So if they ask today. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I know. You know, it is so much work. Yeah, I mean, it's so hard right now is stressing me out leaving my daughter. I think I'm going to bring her on the last leg for us because you know, being gone for five days and I'm back for like one and a half. You have a, you have a huge tour going. You're doing, I see lots of city wineries, which I've done those. So those are great, intimate, good food and drink.

Like what can they, if they go to your live show, what can they expect and why should they buy a ticket? It's gonna be such a fun show. Honestly, there's gonna be performances of some sort in every show. The Austin show, I'm really excited to do for those performances. I am gonna be giving very fun prizes away at each show.

And each show is going to be a little different. I have some amazing guests who are going to join me at different cities and different legs of the tour. And it's just going to be very entertaining. You know, there's the 92 Y event with the chicks in the office. That'll be more of a sit down moderated, um, serious discussion. But I do have something fun planned for the end of that and the rest of it. I mean, it's going to be an entertaining live fun show. Yes. Well, thank you so much. Everybody get the book and if you prefer audio,

get the audio. You know where to find Sheena Shay and her podcast as well. And your dates are on there. So if she's coming to a near city, sitting near you and you've got questions and you want to see it, go see it. I do like to read a book, especially if my friends have written it. And I think you did a great job. And and you know, I wish you guys the best and I'll see you soon.

Thank you. Thank you.