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Starting point is 00:02:43 Woo-woo! Hannah McDonald. Juicy Scoop. All right, let's get into some hot topics. Scott Peterson, one of those murder stories that I have been obsessed with from the day it happened. It was very tragic. It happened over 21 years ago, I believe. The sky Scott Peterson was married to a woman named Lacey who was pregnant and she was about

Starting point is 00:03:10 a month or a few weeks away from giving birth to their son. And she went missing the day before Christmas, I believe. That same day, he said he was going to take his boat fishing. He said he that she was going to walk the dog. He came home. The dog was there with the leash still attached. No Lacey to be found. They start frantically, you know, looking for her. It's all over the news. She's a very cute girl and they live in this cute house in Modesto, California.

Starting point is 00:03:42 They were like just this young couple, barely 30 if that first baby. Nobody knows where, where, you know, she is. And then we find out that he has a girlfriend named Amber fry, who he went to her Christmas party with and he told Amber fry, I'm a widow when they met. She thought it was a widow and she had a young girl, Amber Fry, a young daughter and he said, oh, I'm a widow. And so this will be the first Christmas that I'm celebrating without my wife. He was talking plans.

Starting point is 00:04:17 He met her daughter. She thought she'd met the greatest guy. Well somebody that was at that Christmas party is like, uh, Amber, are you watching the news? And she's like, oh, I Amber, are you watching the news? And she's like, oh, I'm not big on watching the news. Well the guy that you took to the Christmas party, his wife is missing and she was nine months pregnant. So she goes to the police.

Starting point is 00:04:34 They start, um, recording her phone calls with him while he is at a service where everybody has candles praying for her safe return. He goes off and is like, oh, I'm in Paris for work. And the fireworks are going off at the Eiffel Tower because it's New Year's already here. He's still playing along. They eventually arrest him and they catch, when they do finally arrest him, he has dyed blonde hair

Starting point is 00:05:01 and he had several thousand dollars in his car and he was driving to the border So they thought that looked very suspicious Many many months later Sally her body and the body of the baby Gets found on shore which would have gone with Did he dump the body that day? So everyone, the prosecution said, I think they got in a fight or for whatever reason, he killed her the night before and put her in a boat the next day and dumped her in the

Starting point is 00:05:36 ocean, came back with a boat and then pretended that she'd gone on this walk. Now his defense was people had seen a pregnant girl walking and so she definitely was on the walk. Now, his defense was people had seen a pregnant girl walking and so she definitely was on the walk. Other accounts were like, no, I don't think she ever went on the walk. He gets convicted. He's been on death row for 20 years. His sister-in-law, so his brother's wife, she has been working on his defense saying that there were leads that they didn't follow. There was a robbery right across the street. And so their theory is that when she went to take the dog for a walk, she, and she was kind of like a feisty stand-up for herself type of person, even though she was petite,

Starting point is 00:06:20 either saw that robbery happening or was like, hey, what are you guys doing? And they in fact took her and they're the people who killed her. And he just happened to be having an affair. And then he just happened to not be that sad when his wife went missing. He was like, wow, this is amazing luck. Um, cause I wasn't into her anyway. And I'm actually not that sad about it. But you know, I guess I wouldn't be terrible if she came back,

Starting point is 00:06:47 but it's kind of great that she didn't. I don't know. But there were a lot of interesting things, since I've studied this case, I've watched a lot on it. There are a lot of things that didn't add up, so the Innocence Project has taken this case. And the general public, at least the people in the comments, are not thrilled

Starting point is 00:07:05 about it. They're like bringing up the fact that he had a girlfriend, bringing up all these different things. I remember one of the things is that the day she went missing the next day, he got porn on his cable. He never had it on before. And he was like, well, now that she's gone, I mean, when she came back the next day, it was something that she didn't want.

Starting point is 00:07:24 There were all these things that looked very suspicious. There was a time-yacted strange at Disneyland. I remember somebody writing me in when I was covering it a couple years ago who said that her husband worked in the same business and met him just about a month prior at like a conference. And he was very flirty. He was getting numbers. And this guy, this woman's juicy scooper's husband, he thought he was single the whole time. And then lo and behold, they're sitting at dinner one night

Starting point is 00:07:58 and they see that this guy is on the news and his wife is missing. He's like, that guy had a wife? He was very, like He was collecting numbers. He was, so there is so much about it why I am so interested, but we'll see. We'll see what real evidence they have. There were also pregnant women in the town

Starting point is 00:08:17 that had gone missing. Some pregnant women of color that just did not get the press that Lacey got. Their particular house looked like it was in a nice cute little clean neighborhood, but there was a lot of crime surrounding the area. There were, there was, people thought there might have been a satanic thing that happened in kidnapping these women. So did he just have the worst luck and they just happened to have thrown the body in the ocean? It's going to be a really juicy situation to talk about,

Starting point is 00:08:46 but he has been behind bars for over 20 years. Also, weird crime that just came up. The woman who was in charge of the show, Cheer. Actual Cheer show on Netflix, this junior college where everybody does a cheerleading named Monica. She also went on to be on Dancing with the Stars. One of the main people that was beloved on the show for a couple of seasons named Jerry Harris.

Starting point is 00:09:12 He was arrested for sexual assault of a young boy and corresponding with young boys. He's doing like 13 years in prison. He met some boy or corresponded on him. That was like a cheer situation. So he was a total predator. Now this woman's son has now been arrested for possession of child porn. So they said the videos are children under 10 engaging in sexual acts.

Starting point is 00:09:46 He is in possession of them. He has been let out on bail. But very, very weird, the connection between all of this and the show cheer. Shady as is no longer coming back to and just like that. She is the non-binary standup comedian slash podcaster such slash failed sitcom star. She believes it's because of her political views regarding Palestine. They're saying no, it's just because the show because of the writer strike. It's been gone for so long it won't even be back till 2025 and Her characters Che Diaz who was romantically involved with Miranda the character Miranda they've broken up. There's really no

Starting point is 00:10:36 You know, there's no reason to keep around however in the last season even after they broke up Carrie was still friends with Che. She was still inviting Che to events. She was still acting like she and Che were best friends, that they had had this amazing podcast that also failed. So that's why she had to go back and work at a vet and live in her mother's grand, live in her grandparents' house or anything. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:11:02 She's not coming back. I think I'm okay with it. I think there's gonna be such a long break that I'm ready for them to do new and fresh stuff. I'm sure Carrie will have a new date every week and it will be, hopefully will be back more to the Sex in the City vibe. So I think it was just kind of like,

Starting point is 00:11:21 sometimes with these long breaks, I think a lot of people got, the studios were happy to get rid of shows and they're like, well, you know, it's been so long. Sometimes I think that's why the writer's strike lasted so long is they were like, these contracts will expire based on time or whatever. Get rid of shows, get rid of characters they weren't into anymore. And there you go.

Starting point is 00:11:42 Meanwhile, Mary from Sister Wives has a new bow. Yes, the original Sister Wives, she's dating someone as well, and she announced it on her Instagram. Well, the son went and did an interview with one of this guy's ex-wives. He's been married four times. And in that interview, this ex-wife,

Starting point is 00:12:03 an ex-girl from a couple of people that interviewed are allegedly saying that he was always into the sister wives and he was into reality stars all the time. And one story that was kind of funny is this person said, well, we were in Orange County and he wanted to go to Coda de Cosa and he was housewife hunting. He was looking for, he wanted to find Tamara. He wanted to go and see if he could date a housewife or just meet them or something. So they're worried, there's a consensus that's worried about Mary dating this guy who's

Starting point is 00:12:33 been married four times and he's the only after being, only after her because she's on the show. This is what I say. Oh my god, let Mary have a boyfriend. At least he's real. You don't remember that she was catfished by someone that she thought was a man who was actually a woman That she never met that didn't exist at least this guy is real of course He's been married four times and of course he's excited that she's on sister-wide. It's her job. She's famous I don't really think that's such a negative thing that someone likes what you do and they're like down to be on TV She better hope that whoever she's dating is down to be on TV. She better hope that whoever she's dating is down to be on TV and have some fun. So yeah, she's not, I mean she's not a billionaire.

Starting point is 00:13:12 She just, she shouldn't marry him. She shouldn't give him any money, but let him take her out, love bomber, have some fun with her, let her hang out with someone other than her best friend. Maybe he can help with, you know, making little quiches at the bed and breakfast. I don't know. But I'm excited to see it and see if then now that she's got a bow, if they start hanging out with Christine or anyone else and poor Janelle's got to find somebody soon. But there, there you go with that.

Starting point is 00:13:40 The last thing I'm going to talk about before our interview is Ann Marie, who is one of the least likable new characters I've ever seen on a real housewives of Beverly Hills. And part of it is because she came forward saying, I'm a nurse who does anesthesiology. Crystal said, no, when I first met you, you said you were an anesthesiologist. She said, no, I never said that. But with her medical knowledge, she challenged Sutton. When Sutton said, the reason I don't eat much is that I have a small esophagus.

Starting point is 00:14:18 Ann Marie, you see her saying it numerous, numerous times in numerous different settings. I don't believe it to be true. That doesn't make sense. That's not, I'm in the medical profession. I think she's lying. I think she has an eating disorder. And Sutton is like, I'm sorry, am I on a doctor's appointment right now?

Starting point is 00:14:35 Who is this woman? And they're like, well, Sutton, you invited a Barcelona, so she's coming on the trip with us. I mean, if this was real life, like you'd ever invite someone that just basically called you a liar and that you had an eating disorder over and over and over again.

Starting point is 00:14:49 And also is not really vibing with anybody. Supposedly she was Kyle's friend because they lived down the street from each other and Encino, obviously they met through casting. And anyway, the American Society of Anathesiologists have made a statement saying this is the difference between a nurse of anathesiology and an anesthesiologist. And she was very upset that they posted that. She's like, I feel like this is defamatory towards me. And then here she is here. And then she also went on to say look this

Starting point is 00:15:26 esophagus storyline is boring I don't like watching it back either I wouldn't like my performance in this either I get it however she says that storyline was unauthentically dragged on for too long and I have been dragged through the mud in the process I wanted I want to highlight the real in reality TV. Well, in my opinion, what she's trying to say is, the producers, knowing that I am a nurse, either put it in my head and maybe question it, or maybe the first time she questioned it,

Starting point is 00:15:59 they were like, bring it up again. Now bring it up again. Make sure when you talk to Kyle, you bring it up. Make sure at Kyle's event, you sit down and you bring it up to Crystal. Remember Crystal said at one time she wanted to go to medical school. So you should bring up that she's, so now that she is getting so much hate from the fans and she thought it was going to be so fun to be on the Real Housewives and here when she goes back to being a nurse, the nurses are going to hate her.

Starting point is 00:16:22 So it's already screwed up her day job real life, most like she won't be asked back. Now she's like, okay, now I want people to put two and two together. Hopefully Heather Betelef, Jussie Scoop will do it. They made me do this. They made me talk about it much longer than even I was interested in talking about it. And it is a pretty dumb, boring storyline, but it's really all we got besides Kyle and Morgan. dumb boring storyline but it's really all we got besides Kyle and Morgan and I don't know how I don't know how my pretty lady is gonna do in Barcelona without me we just attached up the hip we are having so much fun together we're doing Amazon lives and whatnot anyway you guys remember go to howthermcdonald.net I got all this cute merch. And now for my interview with the very funny Dulce Sloan.

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Starting point is 00:19:53 Dulce Sloan, welcome to Juicy Scoop. Hello. You're looking adorable. Thank you. Thank you for your lip gloss. This is purse vodka. I'm wearing right now. Yes, that is Giggle Gloss. We have six different shades.

Starting point is 00:20:08 Me and a comedian, Lace Larabee, started the line, and all of the names of the colors are jokes, because I'm currently wearing Lafayette Majora, which is like a mauve shade. Yeah. And then they have like a glittery gold on top of it called No More Broke Dick, my ministry. So, a lace has three colors and I have three colors.

Starting point is 00:20:29 And so this is one of her colors with my color on top and like a brown liner. I do love that bit about No More Broke Dick. I saw it from your Netflix special. And why don't you just explain your theory to the Juicy Scoopers? Well, you never know when you'll be called upon to start a ministry.

Starting point is 00:20:49 You never know when the Lord will lay something upon your heart. And as someone who has been, I don't wanna say victim, but someone who has had to deal with the nonsense of a man who's not stable is a compliment. A man who is in no way financial. It is a burden. It is a... It's a life that no one should have to live. This isn't a this isn't a

Starting point is 00:21:19 women's issue. Being with a broke dick. No. This isn't a woman's issue. This is an issue for anyone who sleeps with men. The hardest part about it is a broke dick. No. This isn't a woman's issue. This is an issue for anyone who sleeps with men. The hardest part about it is that broke dick is amazing. And that's why it's so hard to get away from, because the devil is truly a liar. So if you're someone who is trying to do better for yourself, is doing well, you know, maybe you're living by yourself in Hollywood,

Starting point is 00:21:41 out here being a unicorn, okay, having the means to not have a roommate That broke man's gonna make sure that he's in your house eating all your meats and cheeses on a regular basis You have to get him out of there. I know it's hard. The dick is amazing, but he knows that there's nothing else on his mind This is what he does all the time that the dick is so amazing because they knew they were good at that So they never had to sharpen any other skills in their life besides their love making. Why did the two and two go hand in hand in your opinion? I think it's a skill that develops because you're not at work.

Starting point is 00:22:16 Oh, so you have a lot more time. You're not gone for 10 to 12 hours a day. No, you're just out here sitting in someone's house, playing video games, eating cereal at 3 p.m. You have the time to really perfect. You didn't do anything all day. So all you have time, so when I get home. You're not tired. You're not ex, what did you do? What did you do?

Starting point is 00:22:39 You thought about doing laundry. You didn't do it, but you thought about it. So this man did nothing all day. He has nothing but energy. So he better be dropping it off when I get home because I'm probably gonna have to feed him. So they have nothing. It's a skill that develops because you're like,

Starting point is 00:22:52 hey, listen, I'm not contributing to society. I'm not contributing anything in this home. So I might as well be dropping it off. Now for somebody that wants to leave that in 2023, what are some of the lies that maybe you tell yourself to convince yourself that this is going to get better or that you should stay with this person? Or what is the inner dialogue that you have when you find yourself putting together sandwiches for incredible dick that doesn't work?

Starting point is 00:23:25 You tell yourself things like, oh, he did send out resumes today. Okay. He was looking for a job. But also it's like, hey, this is, I'm a modern woman, it doesn't matter if he doesn't work, that's not true, he's an adult that lives in your house. Right.

Starting point is 00:23:44 Also, do not let that man borrow your car. He's not looking for a job. He's at another woman's house. Or another human's house. I don't know what he does all day. Right. He's got things to do. He's got a cell phone bill to pay for it.

Starting point is 00:23:57 So, yeah, you have to, you know, someone's paying a cell phone bill, someone's paying for something. Yeah. He's got to text everybody back. He's got to eat today. He's gotta eat today. He's gotta sleep indoors. So he has to make sure that the phone stays on

Starting point is 00:24:10 and somebody's connected to wifi. So it's hard, because you have to tell yourself, it's like, yeah, it doesn't, you know, I'm a modern woman. You know, it doesn't matter, it matters. Gloria Steinem did not march. She did not burn bras. She did not work as hard as she did

Starting point is 00:24:27 for you to pay for dinner. She didn't. Not the woman, she didn't. It's the right to choose. You can be a stay-at-home mom. You can be a career woman. That woman did not march. All those women did not march.

Starting point is 00:24:39 For you to pay for Southwest Egg Roles. Have you seen something that's kind of movement or talking like on the internet about how people think that feminism did kind of trick us into feeling like we all should be working and having a career while still being mothers? Like they're kind of they kind of say like their theory is this that the government and the feminism movement kind of tricked women into like you should have your own career so that they could collect taxes from another half of the world who really wasn't working before because if you look at like the way the world was like 40 years ago, people could live a decent life on one income, the man's

Starting point is 00:25:22 income. People live a decent life because inflation wasn't crazy. People live the decent life because the standard of living, because what you earned was closer to what the standard of living was. The problem is we have states where the minimum wage is not even $10, but to have an apartment by yourself, you need to make $25 an hour.

Starting point is 00:25:45 Right. So because there's such a disparagement between how much money people make and what the cost of living is, no matter how many people are working, your kids need to work. Everybody needs to have a job, if that's what the standard of living is.

Starting point is 00:25:58 I think what they did with feminism is that men flipped feminism against us. As in, one thing we always have to remember, poor women always worked. There's always been, women have always worked. men flipped feminism against us. As in, one thing we always have to remember, poor women always worked. There's always been, women have always worked. So you had to be in a certain tax bracket to be a woman who did not work.

Starting point is 00:26:12 Or be of a certain culture where you were in a woman who wasn't allowed to work. And so the whole point was the right to choose whether or not you worked. It wasn't so all of us need to be in the workforce. It was as a woman, I should be able to go. I do want to stay at home and take care of my children because my husband makes enough money

Starting point is 00:26:31 or my wife makes enough money. My partner makes enough money. It was never all you ladies go to work because at a certain point in our society, a hundred years ago, if you got married, you weren't allowed to work. It's like, why are you working? Your husband has a job. What are you talking about? Right. Get out of here, you weren't allowed to work. It's like, why are you working? Your husband has a job.

Starting point is 00:26:45 What are you talking about? Right. Get out of here, misses whoever, get out. And so, because we have to remember women couldn't have credit cards or bank accounts up until like the late 60s, early 70s. So it was never set up for us to do this. Right.

Starting point is 00:26:59 So the whole pink tax and putting extra, like feminine items and all that other stuff, it's just, it's a way to punish us for going to work. That's what that is. It's like how dare she work. And it's like, how dare you not think that we having a tampon as a human right?

Starting point is 00:27:14 What are we talking about? So if you look at how baby formulas started getting pushed, there's a whole generation of people that think that baby formulas better than breast milk. But for all of human history, we breastfed. Other women would breastfeed other women's children, we're wet nurses. And now all of a sudden, breastfeeding is disgusting.

Starting point is 00:27:31 What are we talking about? Right. But you had to convince us of this because it's like, OK, none of those women workers that go into the workforce, now we have to tell everybody that breast milk is not good. And this flour we then chopped up and put in the can is better than that. Now, were there women that needed formula?

Starting point is 00:27:45 Absolutely, because some women didn't produce milk. But the idea that we did it wrong, I think is another way to make women think that they don't know what they're doing. Right. I think that it was used against us, what was just like, well, y'all wanna work fine. You went to work, now you're gonna have to pay more taxes.

Starting point is 00:28:02 Cause like, if you look at like, when did you get to the point in your life where you're like, I'm gonna buy men's razors, this is stupid, it's not a different. Nothing new was happening with the right, you just made the plastic paint. I remember my stepdaughter, and this was like six years ago when she was in high school,

Starting point is 00:28:18 she had like a cute little short hair cut. And she is the one that pointed it out. She's like, why are the boys' hair cuts more than mine? Because I have two sons. And I go, I guess because it's styling for a woman. And she's like, but my hair is short too. Why should? And I was like, oh my god, I never thought of it like that.

Starting point is 00:28:43 We just accepted. Like like yeah, okay, yeah the dry cleaning, the blouse is more expensive than a man's shirt or whatever. And we don't even know what dry cleaning is. I know, I don't know how dry cleaning works. It's just chemicals, it's just chemicals. Your shirt's just dirty. Your shirt's just covered with chemicals and it's dirty.

Starting point is 00:29:03 Yeah that is so, and then, yeah, and then I think we can also be our own worst enemy as far as women, because now in this world where everyone has an opinion, you post something and you might get, you know, 90% of the comments are for you, but if the 10% of the comments are women questioning your motherhood or how you're doing something, those are the things we unfortunately latch onto.

Starting point is 00:29:26 And the same thing then went for breastfeeding, like my kids are 18 and 20 and I chose not to breastfeed because I had trouble breastfeeding for the first. And so by the second one, I was like, told the nurses, yeah, I'm not, and they were cool. But like I remember like being out of- Other mothers? Yeah, and almost like wanting to fake it.

Starting point is 00:29:46 I had a joke in my standup where I would fake that I was breastfeeding, but I really had a bottle under there at a restaurant just so that people wouldn't be judging or wondering or coming. Like my friend's mom came, my mom's, sorry, my mom's friend came up to me at a grocery store and she's like, congrats on the baby. I heard the breastfeeding didn't work out.

Starting point is 00:30:04 I'm like, mom, why are you telling people? Like, it was, so there was a lot of judgment there and I really think the ultimate feminism is like doing what the fuck you want. As a mom, as the person who's raising, if you're raising kids, deciding what's best for you and whether that's staying at home and having an only fans or, you know, whatever. I think that's where we have,

Starting point is 00:30:27 but it's good that we're aware of it and people are pointing out or you're discovering it on your own, and sharing it with people. I think the best feminism is telling somebody to mind their own fucking business. Leave me alone. What do you need?

Starting point is 00:30:42 Why are you so concerned about what my titties are doing? Go away. Right. Why are you pressed about this? You're worried about my boob and my kid's mouth. You sound weird. Right. Just tell somebody, this is weird. This is weird.

Starting point is 00:30:53 And the same thing goes for when people would be really critical of someone going over two years of breastfeeding. I'm like, listen, the kids not go on your boob when they're 10. And if it goes until they're four, again, that's that family's issue. Like, it's not what I would want. Shabu when they're 10. And if it goes until they're four, again, that's that family's issue. Like it's not what I would want, it's not what worked for me.

Starting point is 00:31:10 But like there's cultures that go much longer and like there's cultures that carry the child around them and do the baby wearing and all that. And then there's cultures in LA where people do dog wearing. I mean, they wear their dog like a baby. Yeah. And if that's what's working for them in their puppy, and that's what makes them happy,

Starting point is 00:31:30 and that's the bonding. You can put a dog and a baby in a stroller. But it's like, now there's like, I guess it's like in Nordic countries, the Snow Whites. Yes. Just leave, just set a baby outside. Denmark, they say they leave the babies in the strollers outside to sleep.

Starting point is 00:31:44 They say they sleep better. Nobody takes them. And you have to understand as a wild, that's a wild, like you have to understand as Americans were like, nobody takes them. Yeah. What a wild thing to think. What a wild thing to have to think. Where somebody's like, damn, you left the kid outside and nobody took it?

Starting point is 00:32:00 Yeah. What an awful thing for us to be happy for them. They can leave it here by the side and nobody takes it. That's amazing. Why can't we leave our children outside and nobody takes them? My mother grew up in Miami. My mother grew up in Miami in Atlanta. My mother grew up in Miami.

Starting point is 00:32:14 And she said at one point when she was a kid, they couldn't play outside. Because somebody, a man, would literally snatch you out of the front yard. Right. So they couldn't play outside in the front yard because a man would stop his car and snatch you. But at that same time that we were taught that, because I'm of the Gen X generation, taught not to be careful when you're outside, we were also taught to get ourselves home

Starting point is 00:32:39 and be a latchkey kid. Yes. And just lock the door behind us. But that also had no problem with it. And if the phone rings. Don't answer it. Yeah, you're not supposed to answer it, you're supposed to act like your mom was there. I mean, the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:32:49 And so now people are like really sort of discovering why we are the way we are this generation, like nervous, paranoid, and the way we, you know, raised our Gen Z kids is very reflective. And they're like, oh my God, mom, why are you like that? And then I'm like, because.

Starting point is 00:33:08 We were in, I remember, it's like, we were the last generation that was in danger. Now how old are you? I turned 40 last year. Oh, I thought you're much younger. You look young, you look young. But you're technically millennial. You're millennial.

Starting point is 00:33:22 Technically, yeah. Yes, yes. So I was a latchkey kid, but I also started babysitting when I was nine which I found out was illegal I did not know that you could not babysit a child while you were a single digit who knew um hi baby I started babysitting when I was 12 so so when I saw a little bit about how you said you you looked a lot older when you were nine yeah I look like a mother I describe that yeah I have a nine. Yeah, I look like a mother. Describe that. Yeah, I have a joke where I say, um, I look like a mother of three since I was 15. Because I had like, when I was nine years old, I had like, seek up boobs.

Starting point is 00:33:53 And I was like five one, and my mom used to dress me in suits. Like, of like a woman's business suit? Yeah, because I look like a realtor. What is going on? At all times I look like a grown ass adult. If you look me in my face, like I do a bit about how like the first time a man ever hit on me I was in a painless in Miami and my mom and my aunt would do my hair

Starting point is 00:34:12 like an adult hairstyle. So every little girl in Miami, every little black girl had an adult hair. So I had like probably a French role in some finger waves. So I was never participating in PE. Cause like we got, I was like, do you understand that these finger waves gotta last me until Sunday coach?

Starting point is 00:34:25 I won't be playing football in Miami. Thank you so much. And so, it was crazy. Why would we touch football with finger waves? You sound stupid. So, it's Saturday morning, we're in this pay less, I'm wearing a suit. And,

Starting point is 00:34:38 why was she dressing you in a suit? Because the children's clothes didn't fit. Cause I had, I had see cut boobs. I was nine But I was always built like a woman so she kind of wanted to cover up the womanly curves So instead she made you a penis woman. I literally couldn't wear children's clothing. I Little bit. I was just in her clothes. It's like I was in her clothes because I was five one All right I couldn't the first time I had a shirt with a cartoon character on it is when they started making adult clothes the cartoon characters on them

Starting point is 00:35:06 Right, I'd never wore children's clothing So like I would have like regular stuff like a you know t-shirt and shorts or whatever But yeah on this particular find there. I was wearing a suit. She'd buy me these little suits And I have a picture for now as a kid. I'm trying to find it I'm wearing a suit. Yeah, and so they go hounds tooth one But it's like the 90s style where it's like short sleeves and shorts. And then I wore like a size nine shoe. So I wasn't even in kid shoes.

Starting point is 00:35:29 So I wasn't in kid shoes. I'm wearing a dog. I'm just in this playlist looking like a young business woman. I'm here giving you Khadija James, right? Just very much just Queen Latifah living single situation. And so we're in this playlist and this man comes up to me and he goes, and like, I'm my back a backist turning them looking at adult shoes so wear size nine and he goes and I just hear this man go so what's your name but when I

Starting point is 00:35:52 turn around at the face of a nine-year-old right so I turned around and I was like I'm nine and he was like no no no and he says he's like and then my mother comes around the corner like what the fuck is happening he goes why does she look like that and then he ran out of a Miami Payless. That man didn't know he would have woke up to be a child predator. I was a setup. That's one of his fault. Where's Chris Hansen?

Starting point is 00:36:13 Where's the cameras? I was, it's not his fault. Oh my god. But that's when the first time a broke man hit on me. The first time a broke man talked to me was in that pay less. And I was like, if you're in a pay less picking up women You're not doing great. No, no, you're not even in a mall You're just doing like it's it's where it was trip mom. We're just yeah, we're in the motel of malls All the doors face out

Starting point is 00:36:38 The cars are right there But get away car they get listen when I say that man, why'd you look he ran out of the pay list and I was like What happened? She's don't don't worry about her Because he saw my face and was like oh fuck when I turned around I was like upset. When I say this man ran out of the store, ran out of the store. We were talking before we started about the controversial Cat Williams interview. God bless that man.

Starting point is 00:37:15 He gave us so much. What does that actually mean? What does that actually mean? 15 million views. And I wanted to get your opinion on the whole situation. And I already talked about on the show what he revealed. He talked about several other male black comedians that he is not a fan of, not a friend of.

Starting point is 00:37:32 He felt like in some ways they sabotaged him. He thinks they're phony. He doesn't think they're real stand-ups. He doesn't think they're real talent. One, he said he could, he said one couldn't read. One's not a real stand-up. They all have light skinned wives that look the same. which is weird weird face light skin wise, which is what a time um What did you take from that part? Let's just talk about it was well

Starting point is 00:37:53 He said he was that kind of a dig he said that he was a fan of earthquake, but he did say earthquake was illiterate I don't know the man. I can't speak on it What I do think is it what has always been a conspiracy theory that I would hear growing up and I would hear the comics still is that to be a black man and be successful in entertainment you had to engage in some type of homosexual activity and I've always been- Now why do you think- I have no idea. Could it be- It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. Could it be just that there's just jealousy? Yes.

Starting point is 00:38:30 And so it's like the same thing. I mean, I remember going into a casting after my first job was writing on Ken and Irwin's late night talk show. And it was my first 27, and he had the show for maybe like a year and a few months into it My agents like would you want to you know try to write a packet for this show? And I'm like, yeah, you know back then I couldn't just look up YouTube and watch a bunch of clips

Starting point is 00:38:56 I had to stay home for like five nights in a row. Yeah watch the show and come up with like commercial parodies and monologue lines and stuff. And so after that show end and I was out doing an audition, a white female casting agent goes, you were writing for Keena and Ruins and I go, yeah. And she goes, who's dick did you have to suck to get that job? I couldn't, I was like, I could not believe.

Starting point is 00:39:24 I was like, are you joking? And she's like, oh yeah, you know, I was like, I could not believe. I was like, are you joking? And she's like, oh yeah, you know, I'm like. I was like, oh my God. I'm like, no, it was so legit. It was so, it was the most professional rooms I've ever been. Because she couldn't understand why a white woman would be writing on a black show. So something had to be, well she had,

Starting point is 00:39:44 this has to be a favor, because one, as much as that insults you and is disrespectful to you, it is also disrespectful to Keenan Ivey-Wayne's and his team. Because that means that he cannot recognize what talent is and he cannot recognize what a good joke writer is and also you can't be good enough of a joke writer to work on a show that is hosted by a black man. So she's insulting you especially. But it's also, she doesn't have the understanding enough of comedy where she can't understand

Starting point is 00:40:20 why a white woman would work on a black show. But you know, now that you've said that, it makes me wonder if there was chatter about me among other comics and stuff, because when I first started doing stand-up, I grew up here in LA. So I get a couple, I get an eight o'clock spot at the improv. And I'd invite a shit ton of people because I could.

Starting point is 00:40:46 And all my friends came, and my parents' friends came, and they were so hap- they were so supportive of the other comics. But then the mean male comics started spreading rumors that AI stole jokes, which wasn't true, and then also I filled the room. She's a room filler. But you did.

Starting point is 00:41:07 But who doesn't love that? You wanna go to an empty room? I've never understood. You filled the room because you knew the people in the city. Right? Yeah, I was like, here come to, I mean, come to the show. They're all laughing at you too. It's all, it's all, I've never understood

Starting point is 00:41:23 why comics would get mad at. So, it's, I've seen it where it's like, you're not upset with the person who's filling the room because there's somebody in the room. And then, but nine times out of 10, a person who's a room filler isn't a good comic, but they're on the show because they're a room filler. So the problem was you are a good comic who also could fill the room but they can't

Starting point is 00:41:48 see both sides of that. Either you're good and you can't fill the room or you fill the room and you're not good. Right. But since you were both well she look at all these people here it's not like she wouldn't even show other friends. I mean she's known as people that are in comics it's crazy. she's a room filler she can't be good so it's just a way to be ugly to people and I was talking to another comic Shalee was sharp she's an amazing comedian and we were talking about because it was you know we were talking to some younger female comics and they're asking about us just our experiences being female comics and being women and comedy and

Starting point is 00:42:23 all of that. And they're like, well, have you got any issues of like, you know, guys being, I'm like, no. Guys being what? Just being, just making you uncomfortable or saying. Like they'll say, if they're saying something that's rude is not sexual, it's just rude. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:40 Just, you're just being an asshole. And so they're like, people sliding in your DMs like, no. So what do you mean? I said, when you are a woman that most of these men don't want to sleep with, they just let you be a comic. And it's very interesting to see how different women have to move. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:56 Because there are, it's like, and this guy was, he was asking me to do this, da, da, da, da, da. And then, but what was interesting is when me too started happening, all of these male comics got very nervous. And every, all of these male comics got very nervous and every all of the men got very nervous. And they're like, well, I don't want you to think that, I'm just like, you've never been that way with me.

Starting point is 00:43:13 Or it's like it got, because it like it sprung in one direction and then all the guys got super cautious and you're like, okay, calm down. Right. Also it's like no one's checking for you. That was the thing that was most interesting. It was like the guys that were the worst, most worried about being in trouble.

Starting point is 00:43:33 I was like, no one's thinking about you. So I'm glad you're thinking about this. Yeah. But now you're making everyone uncomfortable for this fear that you shouldn't even, you're an open mic-er. I- Why are you- Like I understand, like, check your behavior, but also making all of us kind of uncomfortable because you're worried about something?

Starting point is 00:43:53 Cause then we went in the opposite direction, where it's just like, just be cognizant of what you're doing and how you're talking to people and how you're treating people. Don't be at a show going, man, you can't even say, how are these women anymore? You can't even hug them. And I was like, nobody wanted to hug you in the first place. You're not even funny. Go home. You know who I don't mind giving me an inappropriate home?

Starting point is 00:44:11 Somebody who fucking killed. Yeah. Somebody who had a great set hugged me for too long. I'm fine. You bomb every time. Why are you worried about this? Go home. I definitely feel like the only man I had issues with,

Starting point is 00:44:25 it wasn't about hitting on me. It was about being bitter and jealous and saying that I didn't deserve what I got, you know, and trying to take it down a notch because I was female or halfway decent looking or that I was from LA and could, you know, invite my friends who showed up and were delights. They were the best audience ever, you know?

Starting point is 00:44:47 Sir, we gave them an audience to stop talking. It's very, one I wish comics would be nicer to themselves. Two I wish comics would be nicer to each other. Yeah. Um. ["The Game of the Year"] All right, let's talk traders for a minute. It has gotten so juicy.

Starting point is 00:45:08 And what I really like is just when you think you know how the game is being played, they kind of make a twist on it. So I love that it's in this beautiful Scotland castle. I assume they're all living in the castle. So I think that's always really interesting how like the traders like Phaedra and this guy Dan Phaedra from Real House of Atlanta And this guy Dan they're the two original traders how they have to like meet in these different rooms and like talk and make sure nobody sees it And so it's very interesting how they do it all and so the next thing is they're like okay We're not going to just let you guys choose who the next person is to be killed.

Starting point is 00:45:45 You have to give them this chalice, which is like hidden in a book, give them this chalice and make sure they drink it. So she gives it to this girl, Eken Sue, who was on Love Island. And then they're all waiting for breakfast and she walks in and they're like what the hell and they're like How is she even alive? Well, she drank the poison. They say she drank the poison, but we're not gonna know

Starting point is 00:46:12 You know who drank the poison and and it's not gonna take effect until the end of the day And so they all have to like walk to their funeral and they also wear like their funeral outfits and stuff. And I do really love the drama of it. And I love that even though they're all reality stars, that they kind of get into it and act and hoping to like, you know, stay alive. And then they start questioning who's doing it. Now, Larsa, Larsa Pippin, who is dating Marcus Jordan,

Starting point is 00:46:44 they kicked him off because he was so smart before. So she's like real bitter. She truly is like a widow out for revenge. And so she is being like, I think that definitely one of the alpha males that are left in this cast is definitely a traitor. And she kind of has been coming for Dan a little bit, but Dan is trying to stay really quiet because she's like,

Starting point is 00:47:07 I really want to get one of these traders off and each time they vote and get rid of a faithful, it makes it harder for them to win. So I just love the whole like sneakiness and trying to figure out who's your real friend and the backstabbiness and how like their careers are playing whether survivor or challenge or housewise comes into play. who's your real friend and the backstabbiness and how like their careers of playing whether survivor or challenge or housewives comes into play and so then they have to walk to their grave

Starting point is 00:47:32 and then we find out that it was Ekansu so she is now gone. So going forward it's like I just like that there's all these different like twists and now they think that, oh, maybe it is a housewife, which would put Tamara in jeopardy, but obviously Phaedra, who is the traitor, she doesn't like that. Shirei from Atlanta is also a real housewife. So, and then MJ is from the Bravo world, but she's from Shaw's The Sunset.

Starting point is 00:48:02 So I think they're kind of like, so Phaedra's like feeling, I think she's gonna start to feel the heat. And I think that Phaedra and Dan, who are the original two traders, I feel like something's gonna happen with the two of them. It's gonna be hard for them not to get pissed or start to turn on each other.

Starting point is 00:48:19 And so anyway, you gotta watch it. It's on Peacock. There's four episodes out now, and it really is fun to watch and get into. And it's got lots of twists and turns. Anyway, it's on Peacock. You can only watch it there and new episodes every Thursday at 9 p.m. Eastern.

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Starting point is 00:51:46 Do you know him? No, I'm Brooks okay from here. He this took place in San Diego, but he's a comic from Maybe LA or so maybe around here. I don't know but anyway He was headlining a club in San Diego Mm-hmm, and I came across He was headlining he was headlining I came across first, the white female who was doing a tell-all on TikTok already had a few hundred thousand views. So she's telling.

Starting point is 00:52:13 What'd you do? So she's like, I have been doing stand-up for eight years and I got asked to open for this comic. And I did, you know, the audience was loving it and they were loving me and he wasn't even there for a while so I kept going on and she goes and I Googled him so that I could introduce him properly and then he got up there and he basically dissed me

Starting point is 00:52:41 and was like I shouldn't be at this show. So I'm like wait, what is this? So then I go deeper into looking and I find his response and he's the headliner. And he came with receipts. He had video of her finishing- Bombing. Finishing up. Finishing up.

Starting point is 00:53:01 And she goes, okay, your, your headliners in the house, not. So he's like, Hey, it was my show. I sold it out on a Saturday night with my name on the ticket. And in my understanding, they provided the opener and he said, sure, great. Maybe he's not from San Diego. You go to a club. You're like, sure, whoever. It's fine. It's great. Not me. I got to see a video. I got to do. But I've been in the position where I want to be easy breezy and yeah I need an opener this how much time this is before I started to

Starting point is 00:53:34 say no I got to see if that who they are at their comedy works with mine you know now I can be a little more selective but maybe he wasn't maybe he was like cool I'm thrilled to be there to be to be nice. Try to be nice. Throw him up. So she gets up there and it is a black crowd. They came to see him. He is black. He's apparently really funny.

Starting point is 00:53:55 And she goes, okay, let's get the energy up. Woo! Not really. And they're still being really nice. The audience still like, yeah. And then she goes So your headliner and he blew up on the internet Which I think is not a cool thing to say it makes it sound like you

Starting point is 00:54:15 You're in a net comic. Yeah, you're net not like I'm sure he has some type of special I'm sure he you know, whatever you could come with something all the nicest things It's he's very popular, cause it's like, if he's popular and successful on the internet, he's getting a lot of views, he's funny. So she's trying to be as nice as she can. But I don't think it was, I think he was saying like, I don't think you specifically really looked up

Starting point is 00:54:35 what my vibe was because it seemed a little lazy. So anyway, then he comes out, but then she says, are you guys, I'm excited for this. Are you guys ready? Are you ready to get buck wild? Okay. So she's never met black people before. So then he comes out and he's kind of making fun of that.

Starting point is 00:54:56 Like you guys, okay. And I don't think he was being overly dissing to her, but he was kind of like, okay, you guys, we're ready to roll and let's get going. And she took it as really offensive. He was like, I've had female comics on the road with me. I think you have to be respectful of the, I've gone up after somebody that's bombed and really bad.

Starting point is 00:55:19 I once went up after a guy that in my audience in Aspen did a whole bit on why it's so great to have sex with 40-year-old women because they're old and they're grateful. And I'm like, grateful. First of all, do you know that at this point I'm well over 40 and my audience in Aspen is guess what? Some rich 40-year-olds like what? So I'm like, if you're going to open for somebody. Rightful. Yeah, exactly. So I had to follow that. like what so I'm like if you're going to open right somebody yeah exactly so I had to follow that and and when he also before introducing me being like this is my really good friend we just met backstage that that and whoa good friend and I remember so how early your career were you touring clubs and colleges all over the country?

Starting point is 00:56:06 Because people will lie, or your credits, and it's like, I want everybody to know. It's like, you know, she's a good friend of mine. We've gone clubs and colleges all over the country. I said, sir, I've never left the South. It was like, this is like the beginning of my career. I have not crossed the maze of Nixon line telling jokes. And I've never performed in a college.

Starting point is 00:56:23 But they don't need to know that. Yeah. They don't need to know that I've never performed nobody at school. So yes, the whole, she's a great friend of mine. I was like, there was literally a comic. We weren't speaking to each other at all. He pulled some fuck shit. And I am very good at boundaries,

Starting point is 00:56:41 which I just learned at therapy. They're not speaking to someone because they disrespected you is not me being a bitch. It's a boundary. So leave me alone. And so I was not speaking to this gentleman because he pulled some fuck shit. And he brought me up.

Starting point is 00:56:56 She's a good friend of mine. And we had to hug. And then he gets off stage. And then afterwards, he comes back on stage. All right, great set. Because I had a great set and he's a good host. But the audience does not need to know that I will kick him in the traffic.

Starting point is 00:57:10 They don't need to know that. I agree. So I came out and I did not diss the 40 year old joke. I just was like, let's shake it off. Let me get your focus on me. Right. Let's get the focus back on me. Let's have a rich joke.

Starting point is 00:57:20 You're better than me. So in talking about this, I don't, I would say, I would say maybe don't share that you're pissed with your opener because it depends. Now mind you, you're better than me. If it's my crowd, I would just come on stage and go, grateful? And that's all I would have said.

Starting point is 00:57:42 I don't even have to go on anything else. You heard what he said Grateful Ho Where in this economy? How dare you and then I would have moved on because sometimes you can address the thing Sorry, I'm slowly coughing on water You can address the thing without coming for somebody's neck now. I I think we're to the age now where we're just like, instead of you, I've had people try, like there was a comic who brought me up on time

Starting point is 00:58:11 and said my name completely wrong. And so afterwards, so when I got up, I joked about him saying my name wrong. And then after that, he tried to like school me, quote unquote, and how I did wasn't right. And I said, you said my name wrong and I made a joke about it, get over it. And in doing sometimes with that,

Starting point is 00:58:28 you can be sort of self deprecating, like way to make me feel special. Thank you, I've sold out the place. I remember Leanne Morgan, I had her on the show and she was so excited to do a show and it was like she sold out. It was like one of the first times she sold out that a guy opened for her.

Starting point is 00:58:45 And his intro was like kind of dissing her. Like sometimes I think with these guys when it's with a female, their egos are so fragile. And I think sometimes as women, we recognize that and we're too like nice. And you know, everyone talks about emasculating men. I think there's women who masculine men that don't deserve to be masculine.

Starting point is 00:59:06 Like, why are we feeding their ego and being like, oh yeah, we sold out this show. Great, when you know it's you. But you're just like, oh, I don't want this guy's ego to get out of check because he's an insecure man and I know it and I can play Kato a little. One, you know, he's in the city, you're never gonna see him again. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:28 Two, you know you can, I can tell you, I've been, this is my 15th year doing stand-up, it'll be 15 years in May. There's only been one male comic who I saw was trash. Yeah. And actually ended up making something of himself. Okay. But that was because I saw him start doing the work of becoming a better comic. First time I saw him I was like ugh. And in pain but in mine. Also he was rude. And so there's only

Starting point is 00:59:57 one time out of all the hundreds of male comics that I've seen or just comics in general that are just like no. There's only been one time that I was seen or just comics in general that are just like No, I've only been one time that I was wrong Every other time you stayed in your city and you open for whoever and you didn't go anywhere Because you may took more time to be disrespectful to your headliner Because in my mind if you're disrespectful to me Every other woman that comes in here you're gonna be disrespectful to every other black person It comes in you're gonna be disrespectful to the issue that I had when I started because when I got daily show That's when I could start doing clubs because we've all seen white male comics do late night one time and now all of a sudden They're on the road. I had to book daily shows so I could start doing clubs

Starting point is 01:00:38 Right I start doing clubs and it's like after a while. I'm like hey, I want to be able because I keep getting these shitty Openers and I was like who is this or y'all didn't even try or well such as I couldn't make it but y'all don't give a shit that I'm here but there's people in the audience so why are we acting like this. So I started going so I'm starting now I'm like I want to bring my own person and so because when I because I was bringing people out and the clubs were fighting me because they were worried that I was gonna bring another black woman and the show was gonna be very black.

Starting point is 01:01:06 So I started taking one of my friends who's a white dude on the road with me. I was like, can I bring my, I was like, because my manager was like, well, we're not sure, I said, tell him it's a white dude and I promise you it won't be a problem. And 70% of the time, they didn't have an issue because I brought Joe Kelly with me.

Starting point is 01:01:22 He's a great comedian, he's a very sweet man, he's beautiful. But I had less and less issues when I would bring a Kelly with me. He's a great comedian. He's very sweet man. He's beautiful But I had less and less issues when I would bring a man with me Then I ever was like well, this is it. Well, we're not sure what are you not sure about it's my audience Right. Why are you worried about the show being so black? It was my audience also have a diverse audience. Yeah I'm on a diverse show. I have a diverse audience so I'm on a diverse show, I have a diverse audience. So, because I remember there was a guy, I was doing shows like the DCM prof, and I had an opener and he was eating dicks,

Starting point is 01:01:54 like he ordered them, like just. Bombing. Not doing great. He had more merch than jokes. Had girls selling his merch and I was like, I don't. Oh, I had the opener that talks about his merch. He does his 20 minutes or 15 minutes and then talks about the merch for another 10. Yeah, never again. No, so. That won't happen anymore, but I had those days. Yeah, go on.

Starting point is 01:02:16 So we were doing like, I think five shows together, five or six, and he does like, and not only that, he's not even speaking to me when we're in the green room. And I was like, I know this, and all of the jokes were like, well ladies, you need to, oh, what do we need to do? What do we need to do? Tell me, what do we, what do we need to do?

Starting point is 01:02:42 You mediocre fucking man, tell me, thank you. So what, what, tell me more, what do I need to do you mediocre fucking man tell me thank you so what tell me more what do I need to do so I'm watching this very regular ass comic so these regular ass jokes and then not speak and they almost out like he's too good to speak to me in the green room like sir I'm the reason you're making money this weekend so the manager of the club comes up to me in this comedian Eagle wit I love Eagle wit he's an amazing comic. He's so funny I'd never met Eagle before and so the manager was like hey his you know his kid Eagle Whitt

Starting point is 01:03:10 Just and we took only just give him a couple minutes. I'm like, I don't know just kid I don't know him. I don't know but then I looked over and saw this man just talking I don't even know what's telling jokes anymore. He's just on stage just saying words and I was like Well, he can't be worse than him. He can't be. So I let Eagle go up and do like seven minutes on the first show and then Eagle got off and I went to the manager and I said,

Starting point is 01:03:37 Eagle's featuring for me now, I kicked that guy off my show. And I took the dude off the show. Eagle and his seven minutes showed up and showed out and I was like, at what point I was like, Jesus please send me any body to get this dude off the show. Eagle in his seven minutes showed up and showed out. And I was like, cause at what point I was like, Jesus please send me any body to get this man off my show. I know, but sometimes when they're bombing stuff out, you're like, is the audience just getting it tired? Are they going to leave?

Starting point is 01:03:54 Like this is just like, you're just like, oh my God, flash the light. Get him out of here. Yeah, I can't take it. Cause the weirdest part was, it's not that he was, if he was bombing bombing, it would have made more sense. Yeah. What he was doing was just making everyone just kinda uncomfortable.

Starting point is 01:04:11 Ugh, the worst. And so it was like even the- The vibe. Right, cause then it was like, men in a comedy show are there with a woman. Yeah. Cause people were like, well, I don't know, it's like, you're really pretty, why are you single?

Starting point is 01:04:21 And I was like, I do stand up. Yeah. What do you mean? It's like, you don't meet guys that shows us that single men don't come. It's like you're really pretty. Why are you single? I was like, I do stand up. Yeah What do you mean? It's like, you know me guys that shows us that single men don't come to comedy shows Single men I saw bachelor party at a comedy show one time years ago And I was like whose wife wouldn't let you go to the strip club and they were like Bobby He's like what I'm just being respectful like Bobby's wife wouldn't let us go And I was like why did Bobby have to come in like, he's the best man.

Starting point is 01:04:45 I was like, you could have just not invited him. You could have gone to a burlesque show. Your wife wouldn't know that's art. There's still titties in it. Right. But yeah, so it's like, no, single men don't come to comedy shows, it's a man in a relationship. So if you get on stage and make this man's woman uncomfortable

Starting point is 01:05:00 with your stupid comedy, comedy, what women need to do. Now he's gonna spend the next two days Having an answer for all the things that you told women a need to do well Well, you're messing his whole night up and hers a couple things just finishing on this guy this girl going on tiktok I'm sorry. I did a tiktok. No, no going no, I loved all of it I just want to say go this girl the opener or the feature going on TikTok and talking smack. It's like, not talking smack, telling her story. She's a right tiller story.

Starting point is 01:05:29 She got, she's probably so excited that she got all these, you know, views. But who is going to want her now to open up for them? It's the same time when I see like a makeup artist that's telling on a bad experience they had with, you know, Astar or Adiva. I'm like, well, I'm never hiring you because how do I know that you're not gonna walk in and maybe I just got some really sad news? Maybe some deal fell through.

Starting point is 01:05:55 Maybe I broke, you know, how to fight with my kid. Like, so every moment, if I'm not 100% the biggest delight that you can now go and do a tech talk about it. I know I've met thousands of people that will say I'm a delight, but is there one floating out there that could fucking ruin my life? Maybe, maybe.

Starting point is 01:06:16 This is what people are always so worried about cancel culture. This is what I think is interesting about cancel culture. We all took all of these people, men and women, who were using, abusing their power to get sexual favors from people. Or not even that, if you're, people were abusing their power to get sexual favors or whatever favors from people is wrong.

Starting point is 01:06:44 But I noticed that we were only looking to take down certain people. You're not going to the manager of a Hooters who's harassing those girls all day. You're not looking for, I've had plenty, I've worked plenty of jobs where a supervisor made me uncomfortable. You're not trying to find the night manager of pet boys and he's harassing that girl in the back. You're not trying to take him out, you're not trying to find the night manager of Pet Boys, and he's harassing that girl in the back. You're not trying to take him out, you're not trying to get him fired. You're trying to get famous people, rich people fired.

Starting point is 01:07:12 Yeah. So if the whole point is to make sure that women and people of all backgrounds and whatever cannot be harassed and terrorized in their workplace, then it needs to be across the board. If you're going to take down Harvey Weinstein, take down Harvey Weinstein, he's a horrible human being. But also, take down this man who's running in Arby's

Starting point is 01:07:37 and terrorizing these little girls who come in here to drop these fries all night. It needs to be across the board. It can't just be rich, famous people. Yes, they have a lot of power and influence, but also I've worked places where this one man had power and influence over 20 women answering phones. Or where I worked in a car lot,

Starting point is 01:07:56 where my boss told me that if I wanted to make more commission, I had to sleep with him. It's in my book, hello friends. So like, you see what I'm saying? So it's like, if we're going to do this, then it can't just be rich people. It has to be everybody. Because then it's going, oh, you only want to,

Starting point is 01:08:16 I promise you, Harvey Weinstein will never work again. But he has enough money to where he's fine. Well, he's in prison. He's in prison. And he'll be fine. Is money on his books? Yeah. Is money on his books? So he's gonna be all right.

Starting point is 01:08:30 But the people that worked around him made enough money to where they'll probably be fine. Right. Everyone who's gotten canceled and taken down, they had money. And the other thing is about it in Hollywood is there were all these people that knew that he was a rapist and everything

Starting point is 01:08:44 and probably knew their friend stories or knew of it But when the opportunity came to be in the movie they were just like well I just won't go to the peninsula hotel and But I will still do the movie and I will still work with him and I will still take the Oscar and I will still thank him And then when it all gets revealed they've got the me too You know black bow talking about it like it's enough times up and it's like bitch Where were you you were just acting like la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la to a certain standard because the general public is responsible for their money. Brad Pitt is rich because people wouldn't go see him in movies.

Starting point is 01:09:29 All these people, we all are, because people come and take in our media, come and see our shows, come and buy our book, and all of these things. So they feel like that we owe them something, right? Yeah. Because it's like, well, I contributed to your success, so you have to acknowledge me, which I understand.

Starting point is 01:09:46 That's so true, yeah. So that's why I was like, people can get upset where it's like, well, that person didn't want to take a picture with me. That person was crying. Yeah. And so it's like, and so what has happened now with social media is like, we've taken,

Starting point is 01:10:01 when you were growing, I never knew what Mariah Carey was doing on a regular basis when I was a kid. Right. Nor did I wanna fucking know. But now it's, oh, her and her kids are learning to new dance in front of their Christmas tree. Right. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:10:16 And so now, but now that's her job. Now she has to dance in front of a Christmas tree. Now she has to dance in front of a Christmas tree. I mean, when all the big stars had decided for Instagram, I was like, oh, how pissed are they? Girl! When they were like, okay, guess what we're doing, I'm like, they don't want to, they had it so easy.

Starting point is 01:10:30 Mariah Carey used to sing the highest note you never heard. She's the queen of Christmas. It's her and Jesus, is who we know about. Now she has to do a cookie recipe. And now she got to dance in front of a Christmas tree with her children. Because you can't, why you to mark her out here she she's listed since the 90s she wasn't talking about all that and I kind of get

Starting point is 01:10:49 annoyed too because I'm like also like some of them are coming on it and doing the same things and that we're all doing and I'm like God can we have one thing like you're up here can you let these influencers be here but at the same time they have to do it they have to do it otherwise they're being told they're inauthentic and not accessible and unrelatable and so, they have to do it. They have to do it. Otherwise they're being told they're inauthentic and not accessible and unrelatable. So then they have to hire a team of social media person who's like, okay, you're gonna do,

Starting point is 01:11:12 do you see the Kim Kardashian bit? That's one. Where she, you know how people go that one trend that's going on like, hi, we're from Orange County. Of course we're gonna go and gut it in. So she did one in her beautiful mansion and she's like, I'm Kim Kardashian.

Starting point is 01:11:28 Of course I have all my magazine covers framed down the hallway. As she should. And all this, and then she, you know, and then she goes, I'm Kim Kardashian. Of course I have a tanning bed and an infrared light, whatever, or the red light thing. Of course I was like, what are you doing with a tanning bed?

Starting point is 01:11:43 She's like, I have psoriasis it helps with it Which is my crazy one thing that a tanning bed helps with my dad had psoriasis and he would go to the tanning He would do the standing tanning Because we've all seen if you were if you are our kadoshy on yeah I remember there was an episode where like she had a photo shoot and her psoriasis was flaring up and she was in tears Because it was like my arms are gonna have to be it's a photo shoot You're gonna see my arms are gonna see my legs right and so what I think is interesting is like as much people I Remember we need someone that was like I hate watch that show and I was like let me tell you something

Starting point is 01:12:19 The ratings aren't different Yeah, you hate watch something it doesn't become a half a point. It doesn't stop being a rate. It doesn't stop being like we got a view. So it's like, you don't have to hate watch. You don't have to sit there in your, you don't have to see for an hour because they bought a house or whatever.

Starting point is 01:12:38 I've never understood the hate watching of things. Cause it's like, you could have done something else with your day. You could have used that hour to do anything else. You're gonna watch something you liked. But instead you would have said, would an hour be a mad at Kim Kardashian for what? That girl ain't thinking about you.

Starting point is 01:12:55 Okay, I wanna get a little into your success. Yes, hello. So let's talk about the Daily Show and how that came about. So once you stopped wearing adult suits, then left the Payless Store, when did you start stand-up? Did you go to college? What was a little bit of your past? So basically I started acting when I was a kid. So then, so I went, acted all through school. And then I got a theater degree,

Starting point is 01:13:26 graduated from Brinnell University in 2005. And then a friend of mine worked the door at a comedy club in Atlanta. And she let me in for free. And that was 2007, so I wasn't like, working on a play, cause I did, still did plays and stuff. So I did like, I played Bonita in,

Starting point is 01:13:42 Raisin in the Sun. I used to work at Stone Mountain Park and I did the Veggie Tale show where I would in the Sun. I used to work at Stone Mountain Park and I did the Veggie Tale show, where I teached the children. So I did, I did SummerSock, I did multiple theater camps, children's theater camps. So was your goal, what was your goal?

Starting point is 01:13:56 What did you see? The goal was to be an actor. And did you see movies, sitcom, and all of it? Cause I wanted to make a living as a performer. That was the goal, I couldn't do anything else. I couldn't think of anything else I wanted to do. At one point, I did want to be a Myrian biologist and work with dolphins, but they make you learn so much math.

Starting point is 01:14:12 And I was like, for what? Dolphins don't know fractions. Why am I doing this? You sound wrong. It's sound crazy. So I, so it's like 2007. It's two years after I graduated from college. And Big Kenny Johnson, who was a comic in Atlanta, I met him in a couple of the comics,

Starting point is 01:14:31 you know, Y'all say Collins and Clayton English. And just from talking to them in conversation, I'm like, you're starting to understand them. I'm like, I'm okay. And one day Big Kenny pulled me to the side and he's like, listen, you're supposed to do this. I was like, because I was afraid to do stand up because I'd never been on stage and said my own words and been myself. So did they say it because you just were a funny storyteller?

Starting point is 01:14:50 He was like, he said, you know how to tell a story. He said, you know where a punchline is in a story. He said, so you're, he's like, you can, he said, the fact that you know how to tell a joke is already going to make things a lot easier for you. He's like, also, you've been acting your whole life. So you know how to stand on stage. You have stage presence. You know what your light is.

Starting point is 01:15:06 Yeah. You just need the other parts of like how to write a joke, what's the setup, what's the premise, what's all of these, you need the structure of a joke. And I was like, thank you but no. And so for two years, and then Big Kenny was in this all black improv group called Black Top Circus. And so he would have me, he would invite me to comedy shows, he was performing at, he'd have me and my mom come see an improv and then I was an improv troupe for two years and then in 2009 I wasn't working because I got laid off again and because you know we were in a recession and I was on unemployment again which is not welfare by the way.

Starting point is 01:15:46 And the number of people that don't know what unemployment, they pay into it every time they have a job. It's insane. I remember one time the first time I was like, I got laid off my first job and I had this boyfriend and I go, oh, well now I can get unemployment. I was a fire at Robinson's May and they like fired me or whatever. And he's like, hmm, I don't know how I feel about that.

Starting point is 01:16:08 I go, what do you mean? I'm like, I paid for this. Yeah, we paid for it. The government set this up to if you lose your job to no fault of your own, you're not destitute. Yeah, so anyway. It's one of the lines on your page. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:21 Medicare, social Security, unemployment. I'm so tired of explaining to white people how America works. Me too. It's exhausting. Y'all been here your whole lives, what happened? What don't you get? Spaniards.

Starting point is 01:16:35 Good continue, go on. I'm here to help. So I'm on unemployment and the kid is like, I'm teaching a stand-up class. I was like, ah. And it cost 300 bucks. I said, that is basically my whole unemployment check for a week. I can't do it. And he's like, you'm teaching a stand-up class. I was like, ah. And it cost 300 bucks. I said, that is basically my whole unemployment check for a week.

Starting point is 01:16:47 I can't do it. And he's like, you're supposed to be a comic. I'm not going to charge you for the class. Oh my gosh, this is awesome. And so I go to start and I'm not sure and I tell my mother about it. And she said she had a dream that the whole world was laughing at me.

Starting point is 01:16:59 But she didn't know what it meant. Because she was like, why are they laughing at my baby? And so she's like, I know what's going on. You were standing, people were laughing at you. And I was like, why are they laughing at my baby? And so she's like, I know what's going on. You were standing, people were laughing at you. And I was like, all right, he's only gonna take the class for free, I'm all man of dream. The universe is telling me. All right Jesus, let me go take this class.

Starting point is 01:17:14 And so it was interesting, because I graduated from college in May in 2005, and I graduated from the standup class in May in 2009. Not to break it about me, but I had the standup thing. I took a class too. And I had a friend that threw down the class and said, you've got to take down Maya Dreyer and my friend. She believed me, I'll give her credit until the day we die.

Starting point is 01:17:35 And she's like, this is what you should be doing. So I took the little class and you need the class to figure out how to get your stories to be relatable to the rest of the world. And so I love that there's that. So when people say, oh, you can't learn comedy, I go, no, you got to have, you got to have the it factor. Yeah. But there are things that will help you get there.

Starting point is 01:17:54 And they're classes, they're writing classes, basically. What I think is the number of times, I remember that the seller one day, I was at the other comics table, and all these, and I'm just minding my business being a Christian I paid attention what's going on and then I get roped into this conversation sitting there again sitting there mind my business and they're like they're just talking about stand-up classes and they're so stupid Isn't that right doll saying I was like I took a stand-up class He was like what I said you probably should have asked me a question Before you put me in this conversation.

Starting point is 01:18:27 He's like, you did, and I said, I did. I said, the reason I do stand-up is because a comic told me I was a comic and put me in a stand-up class. I said, if I hadn't taken that class, I wouldn't be a comic. And he was like, yes, sometimes you gotta work, but other times I'm like, mm, and everybody at the table was like, no, you can use her as an example.

Starting point is 01:18:43 She's more successful than you. She took a stand-up class. And everybody's path, especially now in today's world, can be very different. You can really pop doing your funny stories on a TikTok or whatever. But you should also try to get on like in a trooper, an SNL or something, because you've got to collaborate with people.

Starting point is 01:19:01 That's the one thing about these funny people that you know are fine. And I'm like, there might thing about these funny people that, you know, I'm fine. And I'm like, you, there might be someone telling you, oh, you don't even need to be on SNL. You could make more money doing TikTok or whatever. I go, but you're not, but you got to work with other people. You got to be in a room with other people and be collaborative.

Starting point is 01:19:17 Thing though. Mm-hmm. Here's what, you've been on the road and you've seen it. People these, I'm not going to discount it, they are People these I'm not going to discount that they are comics. I'm not going to do that. They are funny, but some of these online comedians who do sketches, doing sketches is not doing stand up. Right.

Starting point is 01:19:38 This is a different skill set. I've taken a sketch writing class. I've taken a stand up class. Sketch writing and doing stand up is not the same thing. So there are people who are online comedians who do these sketches. I'm waiting for the day we stop saying skits, truly am. So they all had comedy skits.

Starting point is 01:19:57 I'll fight you in the street, ma'am. And so they do these online sketches and then they get booked at comedy clubs to do stand-up No, this big following. Yeah, what they should be doing is their sketches In the stand-up in clubs. Yeah, you have proven yourself to be very successful at doing a sketch Doing stand-up is different and so I have seen I've seen online comics lose their following Because I can't remember who it was. It was the Hodge twins or somebody

Starting point is 01:20:32 They were at Carolines and They were supposed to be doing stand-up and we were just watching just one by one as Their audience was walking out of the room. And it's a shame. Because no one told them, hey, this is hard. In the same way that writing sketches is difficult, we've all tried to write a sketch, it's fucking hard. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:20:55 Success in one thing is not success in another. They're very different types of comics. It doesn't always translate. No, there are people who, even the number of dramatic actors who could never tell a joke. Right. You can't put certain people in a comedy. There's also comedic actors you can't put in a drama. So, okay, let's get back to you because I took you off. I took you on a

Starting point is 01:21:15 tangent. You took me on a tangent. Okay, so, but, so, so you do, you have a successful first time at the graduation. I have a graduation and one of my college professors came because he actually told me when I was in college that I started doing stand up and I was like, that's cute, thank you so much. But no, no, no, no. Yeah. Because, and then he gave me a radio show.

Starting point is 01:21:35 And so I just started doing, just stand up around the city, but I like, passed it one of the clubs in the city within a year. But also it was a huge scene. Yeah. I was starting out, there was was not a show on a Tuesday. Right. And so I remember like, okay, this is Monday,

Starting point is 01:21:50 we're at Star Bards, so here we are, because I started out in Atlanta. And so the good thing was, is like the club I perform at a regular basis, I met so many different, it's like how I met Baron Vaughn, who was like a mentor to me. And that's how I met Tom Bell,

Starting point is 01:22:04 who's like a big brother to me. Our parents literally live them mile apart from each other in Atlanta? That's how I know Bobcat go wait So who was very supportive of like younger comics newer comics and Tom Segura and Aaron Foley That's how I started opening for Sarah Tiana for every time she came to Atlanta. Oh, no, sir. Yeah, so Sarah's amazing Yeah, when I moved here in 2016 and moved to LA, she was down in Melbourne. She's gonna be done at the Melbourne Comedy Festival and I saw her at the improv one day

Starting point is 01:22:31 and she's like, come get my car. I was like, what? She's like, I'm gonna be gone for two weeks. You have to come get my car. I was like, I don't, what? She's like, come get the car. I was like, okay. Because it's like, oh, this is a big sister moment.

Starting point is 01:22:43 Yeah. We're just like, listen, I'm gonna be gone. You can have my car. Come get, she's like, don't you have to go to meetings and stuff like that? I was like, yeah, she's like, come get my car. Oh, that's awesome. So it was, once I started performing,

Starting point is 01:22:57 but then it's like you get to a certain point, it was around 2013, I was just like, I just was like, I said, okay, I'm passing all the clubs in the city, I'm doing something on a regular basis, and I would get off of work and drive two hours to Augusta and do shows and come back. Or drive two, I would get off of work and drive

Starting point is 01:23:12 two to three hours in any direction outside of Atlanta, do comedy, and then drive back and then go to work the next day. Because- What was your day job? Oh man, I had so many day jobs. I would always do bilingual customer service. I speak Spanish.

Starting point is 01:23:28 Oh good for you. Thank you so much. You know, that's what happens when you're a little girl in Miami. And you're just like, hey, you know this language? You should probably speak it. And so I was in speak Spanish, I was nine years old. And so I worked at a power company, a trash company.

Starting point is 01:23:41 I managed an auto body shop. I worked at a car lot. I worked for a power company, trash company, I managed an auto body shop, I worked at a car lot. I worked for car insurance companies. There's a whole chapter in the book called I Keep a Job. I love it. Just because, because like it would be crazy to me where I'd meet someone that's like, I wanna start doing this, I stopped comedy full time

Starting point is 01:23:56 so I quit my job and I'm like, oh that's stupid. Right. Like what do you mean? I was like, I'm. I always had a regular job too. Yeah, you have a regular job until you can't It's like my last day job. I Did bilingual sales and customer service for a stucco supply company in Atlanta?

Starting point is 01:24:15 Which is no longer open, but I'm still friends with my boss because I owe her a Mercedes because This is the agreement So my last year working there. I was only supposed to get five days off of work as a regular job and she take five days off Which is insane by the way. Yeah, for as many days as a worker you it's many days out of job you work To give me one week a year out of 52 weeks. Yeah Demons and so I was only supposed to get five days off, she gave me 13. To do, so 2015 everything changed. I did a comedy festival and I got second place in the festival and then one of the judges, Reg Tigerman, became my manager. One of the-

Starting point is 01:24:59 Oh he was my manager! Why does that name sound familiar? Oh he was my manager at one time, cool. Yeah Reg Tigerman, he was behind me on a shirt one type, come on. Yeah, Reg Sagerman, he was at Levitie. Now he started his own agency. Okay, good. And he's still by manager because he is amazing. Good. He's young, and also it's like, just a sidebar, like I did not know how much of a blessing it is

Starting point is 01:25:19 actually be friends with your manager. Cause I didn't know so many people weren't friends with their managers, it's very like a business interaction. I was like, ah, but this is the person you're like planning your life with. Right. And your career with. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:31 So like sometimes like I don't realize, like after talking to other comics, I'm like, I'm very fortunate and blessed in my situation because I'm like, he came to a taping, I was doing it, and there was a guy there. And he's like, yeah, so we got to do it. Yeah, yeah, and he goes, so who's this? Yeah. Right? So he's talking about boys.

Starting point is 01:25:48 And so at that festival, and then it's like Michael Cox was there, and he was in a group. Oh yeah, he was, our booker at Chelsea lately. Yeah. Right. And so at the time, he was working with NBC, Santa for Diversity. And so that, so then he put me in the call background of stand up for diversity so I didn't have to do the big cattle call audition part and then I ended up winning stand up for diversity that year. And then the former Booker for JFO was there and then that's how I got new faces. And so and

Starting point is 01:26:19 then at the time I like I signed with Reg and then I got a college agent and then started going to knackers Oh, yeah, and so and did you enjoy doing it during the colleges? No, no one enjoys doing colleges and the reason but because it pays well well At a certain point it does yeah, but when you first start when you're working with like when you're going to these knackers Yes, if you go to the the conference to get chosen so I went to eight knackas oh wow in two years and I ended up doing like 60 shows uh-huh and so cuz when I first got cuz like when I moved here in 2016 like I did Conan and then so I moved

Starting point is 01:27:00 here on a Thursday to Conan on a Monday here's the people like oh my god you moved here got Conan that quick no that Conan on a Monday. Here's the people like, oh my God, you moved here and got Conan that quick? No, that's not how that works. I already knew I was gonna do Conan. I just lined up when I moved here. But people love to switch the story. Or it's overnight success, we know it's not overnight. Like when I look at like Tom Segura now, it's amazing.

Starting point is 01:27:22 Because I remember opening for him in Atlanta in 2012 and we were bonding over at the twerk team. There were two girls on Twitter, it's amazing. Because I remember opening for him in Atlanta in 2012 and we were bonding over at the twerk team. There were two girls on Twitter, they were amazing. Just blessings, I hope they're doing well, God bless. But so 2015, my whole life changed. And then in 2016, so I went to college at university, had a holding deal, so I had to move to LA. But I remember when I started doing colleges

Starting point is 01:27:45 and I looked at my boss and I was like, this is like November 2015. And I was like, I gotta take a day off cause I gotta go to Texas to do a comedy show. And she's like, you're gonna have to put in your notice. And I was like, why? She's like, I can't give you any more days off of work. You have to quit now.

Starting point is 01:28:00 And I was like, what am I supposed to do tomorrow? She's like, God's got you, you're fine. And so I do the show and then I fly to Texas. I'm an Airbnb, some lady, some random woman comes, like the lady who had the Airbnb was like, I'll pick you up too. And I was like, okay. Sure, sure.

Starting point is 01:28:16 And so I'm like praying like, Lord please, I don't know what I'm gonna do. And I go to sleep and I wake and I take a nap and I wake up before my show and I got a call from Sarah Tiana She was working on Riggles pics and I she'd got me a job with them like a year before And she's like they're gonna be in Atlanta on Friday. Can you do it? It'll pay like a thousand dollars. I was like, thank God. And so stuff just started

Starting point is 01:28:44 picking up yeah, and then I moved it LA February of 2016. And then in July of 2017, I booked Daily Show. So in September of 2017, I had to move to New York. And in doing Daily Show, were you, I mean, obviously you're very intelligent. You can talk about different politics and have a fresh take, but was there any, were you a fan of it, did that make you a little nervous at all, like being that it is a political show and

Starting point is 01:29:14 it's not just you know fluff? Um, what was interesting is that, uh, to talk about the whole audition process in the book, so I don't want to spoil it for anybody. But I never saw myself as a political comic. But since I talk about my experiences as a black woman in America, people see me as a sociopolitical comic, because I'm just telling you what happens in my life. And so once actual politics, politics gets involved, and I'm like, oh yeah, I can do this also the show is a machine

Starting point is 01:29:46 Mm-hmm, so I just stepped in and just like alright. What am I gonna also? Thank God I'm talking about the baby Jesus and the grown one too. Thank God For Roy Wood joker. Yeah, the number of times where I was law. I didn't know what was going on I just walking. I was like oh cuz I knew Roy cuz I'd met him like an anaconda year before yeah and everybody knows Roy is the nicest comic he's to sometimes like you're too nice all these open mic are shouldn't have your phone number either you need a Google line you decide the side phone you decide for open mic or stop being so nice just're using only too much of your time

Starting point is 01:30:26 between doing nice to people. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be helped, but you can't help everybody. That was rude, but I don't care. He's a very nice man. He's too nice sometimes because it takes up his time. But the number of times I was like, help!

Starting point is 01:30:42 And I would just be in his office. I was like, what the fuck is happening in here? I have no idea what's going on. I'm not sure what they just asked me to do. And he's like, oh, and then he was break down what's happening. Or it's like, I'm pitching. I was like, I don't know what I'm supposed to be,

Starting point is 01:30:53 what the fuck, just leave him, come here. And then he would help. But there is an email that Desi sent to me. Who's Desi? Desi Lightick, one of the correspondents on the show. Okay. And so Desi, it's an email that, so since the show started,

Starting point is 01:31:13 there's this email that has been going from like correspondent to correspondent to correspondent. And I can't, I don't think maybe Samantha Beeson into Desi maybe? Okay. But you can see the thread. Oh cool. And so it's like just encouraging words

Starting point is 01:31:26 to let another correspondent. I think I might as well just do a Djibouki. I can't remember. But I remember getting this and it's just like, you could see like, oh, because I went back on the thread and I'm just like, is that Rob Rickles' name? Is this this person?

Starting point is 01:31:40 Is that Steve Correll? And you could just see like through the years, somebody was like, here's some encouragement. Here's some encouragement. So it's just one email thread that it's just been passed on and passed on and passed on because it's a very difficult job Yeah, it's a very difficult job. The correspondents are not writers on the show. We are not in the WGA We're all in SAG and so what is interesting is because we're all stand-up comics We all in sag. And so what is interesting is because we're all stand-up comics, we're all stand-up comics, so we know what comedy is. We know how to perform stand-up. We know how to perform comedy.

Starting point is 01:32:15 We must have our own voice. And the thing that was most important to Trevor, when we came in, because before the show is the writers would write for the correspondents, and then you just say these words. Trevor didn't and then you just say these words. Trevor didn't want us to just say the words. He wanted every time we came on camera for it to be in our voice and our comedic voice. So that's why when you see us on the show,

Starting point is 01:32:37 I'm saying words that I sound like I would actually say. Yeah. And it's in my syntax, it's in my terminology. And then it got to a point I think where I just came out to yell at America. Yeah. And it's in my syntax, it's in my terminology. And then it got to a point, I think, where I just came out to yell at America. Yeah. A lot of times we just yell at America. Well, your stuff is really funny.

Starting point is 01:32:51 You got to also guest-tust. Where are we and who takes over the daily show? Have they? You know, as a performer, that the talent is the last person to know anything. OK. OK, I just keep hearing things. So I didn't know if I missed something.

Starting point is 01:33:04 Well, I can tell you all of the articles that came out after the Emmy's Arconjecture. last person to know anything. Okay. But I just keep hearing things so I didn't know if I missed something. Well I can tell you all of the articles that came out after the Emmys are conjectured. Okay. Because it was like, well they won an Emmy, we gotta say something. Right. And it's like, because I was looking at these articles

Starting point is 01:33:17 and I was like, who the hell said this? Yeah. And Lily asked our EP of the show, I was like, what's happening? She's like, we didn't, this isn't us, this is just I'm talking. So are you back on it as a correspondent Yeah. And Lily asked our EP of the show, I was like, what's happening? She's like, we didn't. This isn't us. This is just, I'm talking. So are you back on it as a correspondent

Starting point is 01:33:28 and occasional host, or where are you now do you stand with the Daily Show? Oh, I'm still on the show. I just go back, I live in LA now, so I just go back and forth. So I didn't leave the show. No. And then when you were the guest host,

Starting point is 01:33:40 so you did it for a week, or how did that work? So this is what happened. So my week was the week where the writer strike started. So originally it wasn't going to be my week. But then it was a get. So we had to, there's always been adjustments to schedules. Right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:01 So it's like, OK, this person can do it here. We'll do this. And it's like, OK, this one on the correspondence are going to do it. Boom. We get the schedule. I don't know that there might be a writer strike because I'm at the WGA. So I host on a Monday. The show airs. 30 minutes later, the strike started. And then I don't host again until I remember. Okay. So I only hosted two nights, so my week got cut.

Starting point is 01:34:28 So it was like, cause I was like, well what are we gonna do if the strike happens? We're like, we'll see. Okay. And so, but I got to interview the amazing winner of season 15 of Reproject Grays. I watched that and you want to, a glad for that? We got nominated for a glad award for the interview

Starting point is 01:34:47 where she talks about being a happy trans person. Yes. Which I can understand because it's like, she said so many times we're just portrayed with these tragic stories. And I was like, yeah, it's kind of like being a person of color on television. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:02 Or it's like, why, I got to show like, if you're an actress that looks like me, you're going to be the best friend. Right. Because why would I be the owner? Why would I be the sitter of attention? Right. Why would I not be the best friend in someone's story?

Starting point is 01:35:14 Why would I not be? That's why people love like Michelle Bato's of Survival of the Thick is so much because she's the main character in the story. Yeah, she's great. She's amazing. She's a help. She really helped me with the book. Oh, good. Because she wrote her story. Yeah, she's great. She's amazing. She's really helped me with the book.

Starting point is 01:35:25 Oh, good. Because she wrote her book. Yeah. And I, does my man, Reg tricked me. This high wrote a book. He was like, well, what if you wrote a book? I was like, I don't know. There's something that could work.

Starting point is 01:35:35 And he was like, well, let's just take a meeting. I was like, yeah, I can take a meeting. You can always take a meeting. And so we meet with the book agent. And she's like, listen, we'll just put some feelers out. We'll figure it out. Sure, we'll just take some meetings. out. We'll figure it out. Sure We'll just take some meetings. I'm like I can take a meeting. I don't know if I'm gonna write a book

Starting point is 01:35:48 Who knows I'm gonna write a book right? Who knows and then We take some more meetings and then we take some more meetings And we take some more meetings and it's like okay. Well as a proposal and I was like, well, what's that? They're like, I just write up what you think you'd write make a book about I was like, okay And I was like, what was that? They're like, I just just write up what you think you'd make a book about. And I was like, okay, figure that out. Then you take some more meetings.

Starting point is 01:36:09 And it's like, okay, so, Ants Games gonna write your book. And I was like, wait, what? And they're like, oh yeah, you gotta write a book now. And I was like, what the? What just happened? I took some meetings and I wrote a thing. So then you got an offer. And then I got an offer.

Starting point is 01:36:22 All right. And then I was just like, who? And they're like, Ants Gate. And I was was just like, who? And then like, Anscape. And I was like, what's that? They're like, what's Disney? I was like, what? And so they're like, yeah, so you got an offer. So we're going to accept it.

Starting point is 01:36:31 And I was like, wait, I got to write a book now? They're like, yes. And what was your process of writing the book? Calling Michelle Bouteau and being very worried. Because I was like, I don't know where to start. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Because I have the proposal, but then it's like, I don't know where to start I don't know what I'm supposed because like I have the proposal, but that's like three pages and

Starting point is 01:36:48 Book that's that that book is not skis not skinny Yeah, so like three of a proposal and like three close to 300 that's the two different things And I was like I had an idea, but I was like I don't know where to really start start And she said she suggested that I start with stories that I can't tell on stage because they're too long. Right. She's like, people are gonna wanna go to know, want to know, you know,

Starting point is 01:37:11 I think people are gonna know how I grow up. She's like, yes. So it's like, how you grow up, how you got into comedy, all of that, being on the show, she's like, but really the meat of it can be, these are stories that I can't, that are funny, but they're too long to tell on stage.

Starting point is 01:37:24 Right. And that's where I started from. And, I'm gonna just, well, I wrote two books too. And it is, I always say like, yeah, when you had all the time in the world, or, and you would have loved to have gotten a book deal, that's not when you get it. You get the book deal and you have no time in the world

Starting point is 01:37:45 and you have to give yourself deadlines. And so my advice to people is like, make it about quantity, just get it down and you can always go back. Did you have a time of day that you wrote or like how did you get through getting the 300 pages? I had to find time to write it when I wasn't on the road when I wasn't you know because I do the voice of Honeybee on the cartoon Great North. Yeah. So when I'm not recording for Daily Show not doing the voice of Honeybee

Starting point is 01:38:13 not on the road because it was like when we were in lockdown lockdown. Yeah yeah. Come on boy. So you got a lot done then. That's not what it happened. It happened when. Exactly never happened at the right time. It never happens we have all that time. Yeah. It happened when I got recorded for great north from home. I'm doing right show And so it does take it did take a year right to write definitely But the times that I saw Amber rough in she just did a she did a talk with Zainab Johnson at a sketch fest I was there yesterday. So they're over the weekend and Someone asked like how do you find the time to write?

Starting point is 01:38:47 And she said, you sit down and you write. All those writers block whatever. Even if it's not good, you just sit down and you write. And I was like, that's what I did for the book. Now, when I got to the chapter about dating stuff, I did get very sad and very depressed because it made me so reflective of the decisions that I made in my 20s and Trying to be nice to myself for

Starting point is 01:39:10 Who I was when I was 23 24 25 26 because it's like I'm still single. I still want to get married. So I don't have children but I'm not any closer to that than I was when I was 25 years old now am I successful yes and Am I taking care of my family? Yes as my mother have to work new But for me, it's like how do I make sure that I don't think that I'm not successful Or that I don't think I have half a life Because of my career is very good

Starting point is 01:39:41 But my personal life is a ghost in the wind just a a Victorian ghost, just writhing in her hands, wondering where her husband's coming back. Why did my children die? You see what I'm saying? So drink. It's just, the whole process was me just going, I didn't start with going, I got something to say. It was, this is me as a person,

Starting point is 01:40:04 which is what my stand up is. I'm never up there going, I'm trying to say. It was, this is me as a person. Yeah. Which is what my stand up is. I'm never up there going, I'm trying to make a point. It's, no, this is some wild shit that happened. Can I tell you about it? Right. And that's the whole book. This is the whole, y'all listen, because I've always been a storyteller.

Starting point is 01:40:18 Even when I was a kid, I loved telling a story. So the whole book is me going, okay girl, come here. I love it. So it comes out you said February 6th February 6th you can pre-order it now it's very important that she gets her pre-orders and also then you have the book or whether you're gonna do it on audio or reading I do have an audio book I read the audible man audio book is crazy you should never listen to your own voice

Starting point is 01:40:43 for that long well I do but do, but yes, I agree. And recording it, they're strict about it, so it's kind of a pain in the ass. So it was interesting to try that. Also follow her on Instagram. Yes, I'm on Instagram. It's her name. Duos Eislin.

Starting point is 01:40:58 And all of the things. Yes, and then you can just click on the link there to pre-order, depending whether you want to do audio, an actual book so that you have it in your possession when it comes out. She becomes a best seller. Yes, it's unaudible. It's gonna, I think it drops the same date

Starting point is 01:41:14 that the book does. It should. Yeah, that's what it was the day after Christmas. It was me for two and a half days. Just reading my whole book and I was like, I wrote this? It's so great. It's crazy, because you don't think you can do it.

Starting point is 01:41:29 Because you should, listen, when you get the book, look at the dedication. That's all I'm saying. Look at the dedication because I dedicated it to me. This shit was hard. Yeah. I was joking with Reg, I was like, should I dedicate this to me?

Starting point is 01:41:41 This shit was hard. It made me very sad. But I was very excited. And then because of when I was like, oh, I'm gonna tell them this, and I'm gonna tell them this, and I'm gonna dedicate this to me, this shit was hard. Yeah. It made me very sad. But I was very excited. And then, cause when I was like, oh, I'm gonna tell them this, and I'm gonna tell them this, and I'm gonna tell them this. So it was a lot. It's very, it's a-

Starting point is 01:41:53 It's very much a lot. It's a hard thing to do, but what I love about having two books, and in fact, I grabbed my book the other day, and I was like, I should probably read this, cause it's been, my first book, it's been since 2010. And, but it is, it's such a great calling card.

Starting point is 01:42:10 And, you know, it could always be made into some, if it doesn't, I'm sure you're gonna get a lot of action from her, but even if it, even that, even if it doesn't come to fruition right away, it's this calling card, it's this piece of property. That could be something or a different version or maybe one chapter becomes a movie or whatever. And that's what's so great that you were forced

Starting point is 01:42:34 to get it down and you did it. I was tricked and then I was forced. I was like, cause I got to a point where I was just like, oh, they gave me a book deal. I should probably write a book. I gotta give him a book. Cause somebody gives you a book deal. Yep, you gotta give him a book. Cause if somebody gives you a book deal, yep. You gotta give him a book.

Starting point is 01:42:47 When you have a deadline, you gotta do it. You contract your contractual obligated. And nothing will make me write more. Nothing will motivate me to be somewhere or to do something. Cause you told me I had three months to do this. Right. But I'm doing it three weeks before.

Starting point is 01:43:02 Well, I loved getting to talk to you. Thank you so much. I enjoyed your stories and what we had in common and the standup and everybody go get her book. Hello, friends. And thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Make sure my mother never has to work at Amazon ever again.

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