Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Shut The F*ck Up and See How Your Life Improves!

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

My friend and now author, Jorge Perez is here! Jorge shares his inspiration for his new book “The Shut The Fuck Up Method, Silence your way to the life of your dreams” which emphasizes that there are times to speak up and times to shut up. Jorge and I met 15 years ago and have some crazy stories we share involving The SoHo house and Hollywood. We discuss the importance of just having that one person you share your problems with rather than several – definitely a different way to approach life which makes so much sense – and we even play a game from his book, “To shut the fuck up or to no shut the fuck up." Enjoy!!!  • Visit https://Sonobello.com/summer and listeners can access the exclusive summer savings event featuring the best pricing of the year • Go to https://Booking.com This summer you can book whoever you want to be on Booking.com, Booking.yeah! Book today on the site or app. • Go to https://ProlonLife.com/JUICYSCOOP Right now, Prolon is offering Juicy Scoopers 15% off their 5-day nutrition program. Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is an advertisement from BetterHelp. Everyone knows therapy is great for solving problems, but turns out therapy has some issues of its own. Finding the right therapist, fitting into their schedule, and of course, the cost. BetterHelp can help solve these problems. It's online, convenient, built around your schedule, and surprisingly affordable too.

Connect with a credentialed therapist by phone, video, or online chat. Visit betterhelp.com to learn more. That's betterHELP.com. Make your nights unforgettable with American Express. Unmissable show coming up? Good news. We've got access to pre-sale tickets so you don't miss it. Meeting with friends before the show? We can book your reservation. And when you get to the main event, skip to the good bit using the card member entrance.

Let's go seize the night. That's the powerful backing of American Express. Visit amex.ca slash ymx. Benefits vary by card, other conditions apply. Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales, her real life Mr. Safe and Serial data,

and serial systems. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo. Heather McDonald. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well I hope you're surviving the heat and having so much fun. I'm having a blast as you know as I always do because I love bringing you the Juicy Scoop and I want to do it live for you so go to Heather heathermcdahl.net, get your tickets there. Only go to heathermcdahl.net to go. I want to talk about some of my fall cities, you guys.

I'm going to be in Vegas in September. I am going to be on the East Coast, New York City. I will be in Chicago, Minneapolis, Red Bank, New Jersey, Boston with Julie. So many of those dates. All of that is at heMcDahl.net. So I don't want you to miss out. I want you to get the good tickets.

Summer's almost over, you guys. What are you going to be doing for the fall? Get your friends together. Go on your trips. If there's a show that is like, let's make a fun weekend out of it, look at my dates there at HeatherMcDahl.net and make those plans. And now for a really great interview with a dear friend of mine that is going to teach you to shut the fuck up. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm

excited to share with you an incredible author but also my friend of, I don't know, 15, 16 years. We'll get into how we met. But first of all, this is the book and it is doing so well. And you told me about this. And I said, well, I don't know about the title, but so far it's working. So it's good that you listen to me. It's the Shut the Fuck Up Method, Silence Your Way to the Life of Your Dreams by Jorge Perez. You know, sometimes when I-

That sounds so good when you say it. You know, I've always called you Jorge. That's how you were introduced to me, Jorge. But then when I meet other people, mutual friends, they're like, you know my friend George. And I'm like, I don't have any friends named George. I'm going to recap this whole thing really fast. So basically, I'm from Venezuela.

When all the Jorge's moved to Miami, which is where I grew up, they immediately become George. And I think because, you know, the name could have a Jorge thing. And I think because, you know, the name could have a whore-hey thing. And I think there was like an unspoken rule, all the whores were like, we're George, we're George. So anyway, so George all my life moved to LA and then, you know, every once in a while, like whore-hey.

And then I'm like, all right, I kid you not. After the whole George Floyd thing happened, all the white people are the one that all of a sudden were like, you're Jorge. Don't let them call you George, you're Jorge. And I'm like, okay, I'm Jorge. They're like, you're Jorge. And I'm like, all right, so.

Well, I'm proud. Now I'm Jorge, now I'm Jorge. I'm proud to say that I've always called you Jorge. And probably not pronouncing it as great as I could. No, you're sounds great. But we, I was excited because I am a whore for a really good Hollywood dinner night, and especially if it's a rooftop view type of situation.

And the first time I ever went to the Soho house was a mutual friend of ours invited us. Did I broke your Soho house cherry? Yes, because you're a member of the exclusive Soho house, which is really beautiful. We have a couple, and I'm sure you've heard about it. I know you have, because you guys are juicy scoopers. But there's one on Sunset, at the top of that building.

But because it's exclusive, you're not supposed to have cameras out. You're not supposed to be discreet. It's supposed to be where you really can go, and you can see Jennifer Aniston and somebody working out the next streaming series. And like, you're not supposed to go up and say, hi, I'm a really big fan.

Okay, so. They revoke your membership. I've seen it. Now, I feel it was the first that we were with fault that you got and you got the three months suspension after that dinner. Yeah, cause we took a picture. We took a picture.

And then funny enough, I was like, oh, no, we took a picture of a picture. And she was like, George, if I had a nickel. No, basically, you know. I thought we were also being kind of loud and dramatic. Yeah, we were. But they didn't tell me for sure it was because of someone. They went under the rule of no pictures.

And they're not strict anymore. but yeah, I was suspended. And you know what's funny? She's like, I'm not suspending you for three months, but I lowered it to two. And I'm like, and then that's it? She's like, what under the bridge? So I was so ashamed about it at first, but then after a while I'm like, yeah,

I'm like the Soho House rebel. And now every time I see her, because she still wears it, she's like, dude, you told everybody. It's my badge of honor. I wear it proud. Yes, and then you took me to the Malibu one, which is fabulous right next to Nobu. I love this so much.

I mean, now that you guys know, that's the only reason we've remained friends is because you are going to sell home memberships. That's why she takes, she wants me to take her there, so I take her. You know I like doing nice things. No, but you have such a, That's why she takes, she wants me to take her there, so I take her. You know I like doing nice things. No, but you have such a, when I met you, your predominant job at that time was you're representing

high end photographers as an agent. Yeah, correct. And, so tell us like a little bit about your background and how you found yourself being kind of this self-help author and person. For sure. Well, I think anyone, so this year marks my 20th year anniversary in LA, right? And I think after 20 years here,

like you need a lot of self-help. And I'll tell you why. And it kind of goes into our culture, right? In LA, it's like, we're a group of very talented people that left our homes, right? To like, I'll show you, you picked on me in high school, I'll show you. So we're a group of very talented people that left our homes, right, to like, I'll show you. You picked on me in high school, I'll show you. So we're brimming with talent,

but we're also brimming with frustration, you know, because your friend is the one that got that Netflix deal and she's on the thing. So it is a culture of people that we kind of have to, there's only two things that are gonna happen in LA, in my opinion. I talk about this in the book. You're either gonna succumb to the ego of of frustration, of like, this town sucks,

I didn't get there, all that stuff. You're going to succumb to that frustration or you're actually going to evolve from it and realize that you can't take it seriously. I think LA is just an augmentation of reality, of materiality, and of kind of like desire and ambition, you know? You know, the interesting, because I just mentioned like Jennifer Aniston. And I remember during COVID, like the first part of COVID where everything really stopped.

There was nothing you could do, especially in film and television. And she was being interviewed and she was like, now of course for someone like Jennifer Aniston, her business not working isn't gonna keep her from paying the mortgage. So in her particular case, she was like, something effective, I liked it

because I wasn't working but nobody else was. Because you are so much like, if you do have any downtime, if you ever wanna take a break from your pursuit of something in the Hollywood world and entertainment, you are bombarded with the fact that like, well, wait a minute, my, you know, even if I don't do standup on a weekend,

and I'm so excited not to do standup, I'll look at my phone and I'll see that my friends had a killer night in, you know, whatever, in Phoenix. And it just makes me feel like, oh my God, you know, a little bit, not so much anymore. But there was a time, especially before COVID, where I'd be like, oh, I'm not doing enough. Or a little bit of competitiveness and stuff.

And you want to tell yourself, it doesn't matter. Your path is your path. But when you're seeing it everywhere and you are going down sunset and you're like, oh, my friend, your path is your path. But when you're seeing it everywhere and you are going down Sunset and you're like, oh my friend I went to acting class, hi. She's on that billboard. Hi, you're on that bill, oh hi, yeah, you're on the billboard and I'm driving to an audition.

Yeah. You know, early, I think it was like my first month into LA and I have the story in the book, I just don't use the names, but I became friends with this celebrity photographer, he was a big deal, and he had a celebrity muse. And I remember that they invited me to this party, and I literally, Heather, I walked in with the both of them.

I've never, I mean, the host of the party, like treating us like I was the biggest star in the world, like, and I'm like, okay, I was like, wow, I can see why it's addicting, you know, when people are just rolling the red carpet and whatever. And then he was like, oh, I'll be, the, I can see why it's addicting, you know, when people are just rolling the red carpet and whatever. And then he was like, oh, I'll be, the party will be here all week, come back tomorrow, whatever.

The next day I come back, but without these two celebrities, with non-celebrities photographers. And like the guy, I was like roadkill. Like, I even was like, hey, and he was like, like moving me away. And finally I even grabbed, and he was like, like moving me away. And finally I even grabbed him and he whizzed my hand away. And in that moment, like it was, it's like time stopped.

I remember that I was like, all my New York friends that kept saying like how LA was so fake and I'm gonna hate it, like it dawned on me. I was like, oh my God, everyone here is so fake and it's all about this. And all of a sudden in the middle of that, like a download came and it said, and I heard the voice, this guy's like,

God, it said, it's not personal. And I'll tell you what that means. When they love you, it's not about you. It's what they think they're getting from you. And when they don't love you, it's not about you either. It's what they think they're not getting from you. So it was never about you. So if you take it that way, you could just enjoy LA

and have a blast and not take it personal. And that's been my trick to love LA for 20 years. I feel like I'm the LA publicist. Everywhere I go and I'm like, where are you from LA? Ooh, it's bad, huh? And I'm like, no, it's great. We have every season, you can ski, you can go to the desert 45.

And then they're like, oh my God. I mean, I just heard it was so bad. You know, it's like, it's great if you don't take it seriously and personal. Yeah. That's my trick. You don't steal it. So we become friends.

And I, you know, I found you so funny cause you like, cause you could like imitate our mutual friend and he loved it too. And so I'm like, oh my God. So we, we ended up being good friends and keeping in touch all these years. And that's when you were telling me

that you were doing all these, the landmark and the form and these kinds of things. And I like that stuff, but also, you can be very deep. I'm a little weary about it too. I was kinda like, is next step Scientology? How far are you from getting into these? And I also just think also in this town,

you are looking for the thing, which is why Scientology, I think, is popular too. And I even thought about it for one minute. I'm like, I don't know why everyone's being so mean about it. If this is how people are getting parts, maybe it'll make me less nervous than an audition. I don't know. So I think people are always looking for something whether it's you know a Christian church or the hillside or the Catholic church or the you know Kabbalah to be like what is it or the

AA or whatever I remember people were like you should go to this AA meeting on Robertson. You should start drinking bad. Because they were like, no, because they were like, there are so many agents there and I needed an agent. And at one point I was like, listen, I'm not an alcoholic, but I have juicy stories to tell. And that's actually how I got into juicy stories is my brother was in a rehab when I was 13 and we'd go every Wednesday into Beverly Hills.

Also we'd go to a beautiful restaurant after. Like my dad would be like, okay, we're gonna go visit your brother. And he'd get out the Zagat guide and he'd be like, oh, let's go to this hotel. So I was like, my whole summer was going to the rehab meetings, hearing the juicy stories of the LA people.

And like, I just remember this one girl was telling her story and basically she became like, you know, a sex worker at the time and my mom was like that gorgeous girl she has the face of an angel like and we were just like and I would listen to these things that I'm like I kind of like to the juicy stories but then I was always so then at the thing I was like oh my god I could go to these AA meetings and I could get stage time I could practice bits in front of an audience, and I might get an agent. It's like you're Toastmasters, but you know, a little sauce.

But I didn't do it. But I'm saying you're looking for anything when you're not at your place yet, you know? I think when you're so ambitious, right, and you have that frustration, you're looking for community. So you're looking for a community that can hear you out, that you could feel relatedness. So I think that LA obviously has a lot of that.

And it's weird because since it fosters that kind of isolation, then the pendulum goes the other way. So it also fosters community. I've always had a sensibility for spirituality. My mom was really into it since I was 20. I went to India for a month, and throughout my life, I've been an agent, you know, representing photographers,

shooting, whether it's like Brad Pitt or Jennifer Lopez or any of these people, and it's been great, but I think in the back burner, I've always had my spirituality, whether it was, you know, I did do Landmark, anything that has to do with me. What is Landmark? So Landmark, anything that has to do with me. What is Landmark? So Landmark is just, is a study of ontology,

which is being a human being, the study of being a human being, and basically how you dissociate the mind with, how you dissociate the mind with your thought, like that voice in your head that's going like, I suck, I suck. And you isolate it, you go, wait, I don't suck. That's just the voice in my head.

So you kind of create that, you separate, separate. That's kind of, yeah, that's kind of what Lamar is, yeah. A fresh voice can speak to you and open your ears and your mind to new views and new perspectives. The call of the wild, a crescendo of culture. Listen as a chorus of fresh voices moves you, taking you to greater heights. Add your voice to the mix and let fresh answer back with perfect harmony in Pure Michigan.

Keep it fresh at Michigan.org. What do you think about, this is a new thing that I've only heard in the last couple of years, is someone being like, look, I suffer from imposter syndrome and that's why I lashed out because I don't, I guess, or you say I think someone has imposter syndrome

where they basically find themselves in a position of power or fame or success. And they really, they believe they are not qualified to be there. Yeah. And like what that, like, what would, do you, I mean maybe you're not familiar with this. No, no, I am, I'm very familiar.

Like what do you think of all of that? Listen, at the end of the day, Heather, we all have that voice that thinks we're not supposed to be here. Like, I have a friend actually, legit, that he was an actor and he did a scene, he was in a movie with Anthony Hopkins and he goes, I'll never forget one day

I went into his dressing room, and apparently Anthony Hopkins said, you know, sometimes I just feel like the acting police is gonna come here and arrest me. Someone like that who's such an incredible actor is dealing with imposter syndrome. So imposter syndrome is something that we all have. I don't care if you're Jeff Bezos

or you are anybody else, we all have it. And I talk about this in the book actually, it's just like we need to, when we have a really good meditation practice or we start cultivating, shutting up, then it's almost like those thoughts don't have a grip on us that much. So let's say the thought of I'm not good enough

hits you at a 10% instead of a 90. You can live with a 10%. Like let's say you're trying to do, you're gonna go on stage and you have that comedy thing and you go, oh, I don't think I'm gonna do that well. But let's say it's like a 10 instead of like a 90, you can deal with a 10. And then guess what?

And then you kill it and you go, oh, that was that little voice again. Does that make sense? But I do think, I mean, it's such a beautiful, this book is such a rabbit hole that really explains our brains are actually wired to survive. Our brains are not made to make us happy. You and I and everybody here,

we're the descendants of people that had to do like some crazy stuff to get to this country. We didn't leave Europe because it was a little chilly. So imagine, so you're dealing with genetically, like you're the genetics of people that had to steal, kill or something. So now you're here, you're not fighting anyone, no one's trying to kill you, but the new enemy is

the girl that's gonna get your audition job. Amazon Prime is coming in late. You know what I mean? Like we're built into attack to survive, but there's nothing to really survive. So the work in my opinion is, how do we lower down our survival instincts so we're not stressing ourselves out? We haven't talked about this, but the reason I created this book

is because both my parents died of cancer back to back. My dad was leukemia in 2019. I was a stem cell donor. My mom, two thousand twenty two breast cancer, I metastasized. I took a deep dive on epigenetics, which is a study of how we, as people, metabolize our environment, how we metabolize stress. And we are, there's studies about this. You can look it up.

Most people are living 70% of their lives on fight or flight in stress. That's not sustainable for the human body. The body is almost like telling you like, hey, I can't do this anymore. So when you know how you see like these epidemics of ALS or MS or Parkinson's, that's actually, I've talked to so many of these people

and they all pretty much remember something that happened emotionally that detonated it. And then shortly after they were diagnosed. Yes, shortly after they were diagnosed. These are neurological diseases. I used to look at people in wheelchairs and in my mind be like, oh, he got into an accident or she was born that way.

I was with this guy. I do a lot of retreats with Dr. Joe Dispensa, who's my biggest mentor. And his retreats are these meditation retreats where you actually go into the brain and you rewire the subconscious mind, so you stop the patterns. But a lot of people that have MS or ALS go,

I was with this guy that had ALS, which is, if you guys don't know, it's a neurological disease that stops your motor skills, right? All of a sudden you can't walk. The guy is a year older than me, a dancer, a Broadway dancer. Two years ago, he wakes up and he's like,

well, I can't walk, now he's paralyzed. Wow. And I asked him, we spent a lot of times together because I'm in the medical team there and I help people out and I'm like, do you think this was something emotional? And he goes, I know exactly what this was. So he's like, every time I had problems,

I would go and tell so many people that then I would have to manage conversations about those problems. So imagine, when we tell more than one person or two or three our problems, then it's like, imagine you solve it, but then you have Betty to answer to that's still gonna be, Heather, so what happened with your husband?

That's really interesting. And imagine like, imagine if you already, you sorted it out and all of a sudden that scab gets picked again. And you're like, oh, so now you're driving your cortisol levels again. And you're like, I, so now you're driving your cortisol levels again. And you're like, I don't know. And then she's like, I don't know

if you should give him a chance. Hypothetical. I don't know if you should forgive him for that. And you're like, I don't know. Then all of a sudden, the thought again comes. Then you call your sister again. So I just talked to Becky and she thinks that I shouldn't forgive him.

What, I was gonna tell you that too, Heather. I don't think you should forgive. You know what I mean? Like we start creating networks of conversations of our problems. And before we know it, the problem that could have been solved with you just either telling your therapist

or one person and saying we're done, now you have a whole ecosystem to deal with. Yeah, I think that is, I mean, I've said that in, you know, the past couple of years or whatever, because I wasn't, you said that in the past couple years or whatever because I wasn't in friendships and stuff that have been around forever. And we would share so much with each other. And one of the friendships was like someone I talked to

like every day. And one day we just both kind of like stopped, talked like, and it was COVID. And- You both got the perfect out. And I really was like, I was kind of sad about it, but I was like, I think that we might both be better off.

Like, I wasn't like, you're the worst and I was a queen. I was like, I think that for all those years, it was almost like this relationship where if something did happen, I would almost feel obligated to share with the other. And then I don't know how many other people were sharing their stuff with, you know, because that's what happens with women. Then you get together and there's like a great scene in, did you ever see the movie Wine Country with like all the girls?

I loved that, Tina Fey I think was one of the writers, but I was like, when they all get together, this group of girls that like waitress together, they're celebrating someone's 50th, and then two of them get alone and they're like, I think so and so's marriage is on the rocks. And there's nothing wrong with that, but that is how we operate. And it is out of so and so's marriage is on the rocks. And there's nothing wrong with that, but that is how we operate.

And it is out of love and it's scary and it's why we like Housewives and stuff like that, because we're watching it. We're watching it and hopefully not living it. But then I've also talked about that with Dr. Drew of why so many marriages break up in reality TV is because they have these arguments on TV and then six months later, they have to relive it,

which is kind of what you're saying. They have to watch it. They have to hear all the people, not just three friends. They have to hear all the people saying like, your husband's the worst or you're a bitch or you were wrong. And that is the risk I think think, of being on these shows. That at one time, we're just about, when OC started,

it was just, we're gonna follow these ladies that live behind gates. Nobody had lashes or lips or anything. And then they realized, oh, what really works is when Tamara threw wine at the one lady's face. And then, and when Teresa flipped the thing. And so now it has to be about arguments. And you know why?

Yeah, why? Okay, so the mine, right? Like we're wired to survive. So when we, we naturally, and this is, we gravitate towards bad news. So we can't blame CNN or Fox News or anything, or watching the housewives like beating each other up. Because in a very primal way,

we gravitate towards bad news because if our mind tells us, if we know where the problem is, then we're gonna be safe. So our fight or flight like instinctively gravitates to bad news because I'll know what's going on in Gaza, but here's the kicker and I talk about this The the fighter flight there's nothing wrong with fighter flight by the fighter flight is great If there's a dinosaur chasing you your brain goes on beta

Your immune system drops and then you run right and you know that feeling and then all of a sudden Dinosaur disappears you go back to gracing your immune system goes back back up, you go back, your brain stabilizes. But the problem is by us watching CNN, right, a 24 cycle, or watching these dramas that are constantly spiking our cortisol, our hormones, our cortisol levels, we're also in stress. It's almost like we're going through it, but we're not.

And then that built-in alarm system that was supposed to just be there for a little while so you can be on high alert is actually, the same alarm system that's there to help us is actually killing us. And I think that's like insane. The way, because we very innocently, we gravitate towards these conversations of stress

and then we are perpetuating and making the stress even bigger and bigger. And then our body, we're like addicts. We're like emotional addicts. Our bodies, we attract situations. We don't attract what we want. Yes, but I also kind of feel like there's so much that's always like, well, we got to have a conversation about this.

We have to talk about this, whatever. And I had a, you know, I had a joke in my act a couple years ago or whatever that I would talk about, you know, maybe the way you stay married sometimes is just to like wake up and serve some, you know, denial eggs and coffee and move the fuck along. Like sometimes, you know, maybe it's just not worth it to like dissect what the fuck happened, you know? I 100% agree. So you know what? This is

actually very scientific. Are you familiar with the quantum, with the whole quantum field? Like the movie, everything everywhere all at once. Did you see that? No, I didn't see it, but I, like my kids saw it, I found it to be really like not my vibe, like I wanna watch like remakes of like unfaithful and fatal attraction, but what was it? I'm gonna explain, I'm gonna explain. Okay, so consider this, consider that we as the observers,

right, Heather McDonald, the observer, you observe something. So let's say it's floating and you go, Maria, Maria's a bitch, you observe it. And then you tell me, you and you go Maria, Maria's a bitch. You observe it and then you tell me you know what I think Maria's a bitch. By you calling it out it's almost like you lock in the particle so then she has to start appearing that way to you. So observation believe it or not is actually a very active thing. We need to observe things into what we want them to be. Not just like we're not like there's just like, we're not,

there's a chapter called, we're not reporters. Like, we're not like, here I am in my shitty house with my shitty wife and my shitty, like the more that we observe these things and talk about our problems, the more that energetically they're gonna get bigger. I'm not saying to ignore things, like handle it, but when we go around complaining

and talking about something and that rumination, it actually, it's energetic. It gets bigger and bigger and bigger. I also, you know, I post a question of like, I have a friend that I was talking, that I was telling him about this other friend that just moved in with his girlfriend. And my friend was like, oh my God, Kevin has a girlfriend? And I'm like, yeah.

And she was like, unlucky and love Kevin? And it dawned on me how Kevin would always go around saying like, there were no girls in LA available. All the girls wanted his money, all this stuff. So we need to also be our own best publicist because we're the ones that are tarnishing our. When you're that girl that's always talking about your issues, then everyone knows you as that girl.

So we also have to be mindful how we, like, we assassinate our own character. We're like killing everybody. We're killing Sally, we're killing ourselves. So it's not repression, it's how do we inject mindfulness so that we are, so we are intentional about what we want in life. Does that make sense?

Yeah, now you said you had like a fun game in the book. Yeah, I do. OK, how does it work? So this game, it's you're the first person that's going to experience this game. It's called To Shut the Fuck Up or To Don't Shut the Fuck Up. OK. OK, so I'm going to give you a few scenarios. It's almost like games against humanity.

So I know my answer, but I want to see what you would pick. OK, good. OK. So your best friend is finally dating someone. It's been a long time. You're super happy because it's been forever and you actually, you thought it was never going to happen. The week after you meet the new guy, which you really like him, you go to a party where you clearly see him drunk, putting the moves on somebody else.

Do you shut the fuck up or you don't shut the fuck up? I definitely tell my friend. Okay. Because she's been dating. I mean, because she's just starting to date someone. And, you know, I wouldn't want her, I would say still have fun with him. I'm glad that you're going out,

but just know that he's a player because he goes out and flirts with other people. Doesn't mean that if you look at our age, I don't have a friend who's looking to get married and have kids. So it's like, if it's like a Harry Dubin type, which is this guy that screws everyone in housewives, let her know that she still might have fun with him.

But I would let her know, just so that she doesn't think, just so that she's not love-bombed and thinking that this, because obviously that this guy is like that, he's probably pretty charming. And if you are new to dating, maybe from freshman divorce, then you might think that you're super special. And you should know that you're not probably that special,

but it doesn't mean you still can't have fun with him. Yeah, I would differ. I would shut the fuck up. Because I feel that, you know, finally she's dating again, Heather. It's been a long time. All right. And also, you don't know what arrangement they have.

You don't know if he told her, hey, I'm going to do my own thing. And she's like, like okay with it and then the fact that I bring it up, then it would almost like humiliate her. That's a good point. And make her feel like, and then all of a sudden she goes up to him and she's like, you know what, this isn't going to work because for her maybe her ego and how she looks in front of her friends is more important than her finding a really nice guy. A lot of people are learning about all the benefits of fasting, weight loss, but also mental, physical performance, and gut health. But worry about the whole not eating part. Well that's exactly why Prolon was created. Prolon is a revolutionary plant-based nutrition program that nourishes the body while making cells believe they're fasting. Prolon isn't a diet. Prolon is a science. Science based on Nobel Prize winning

discoveries in medicine and it all starts with the Prolon's five-day program. Snacks, soups, and beverages all designed to keep your body in a fasting state. It's unlike anything you've ever experienced. If I was going to start a nutrition program, Prolon is exactly what I'd use. It's convenient and backed by Nobel-winning science and it works. Right now ProLon is offering Juicy Scoopers with Heather McDonald 15% off their five-day nutrition program. Go to ProlonLife.com slash Juicy Scoop. That's P-life.com. That's prolonlife.com.

That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com.

That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com. That's prolonlife.com. and her husband was clearly on something that was not a business meeting. What would you? Something definitely not on your friend. He was on something other than your friend. You know, what would you do? And I think it changes based on the person, their situation, how close you are, how, where they are in a stage of life.

You know, is this happening and she's pregnant with her second child and is 33 and is, you know, very much in love, then maybe you go to the guy and be like, I know what the fuck you're doing. I'm not gonna say anything, but you better not hurt her. But now you're gonna be cut out of her life. Because once he knows that you know,

he's gonna go to her and be like, and he's gonna work on breaking up the friends. So sometimes you don't wanna say anything if you know that maybe someone's husband is stepping out because most likely you're gonna lose your friend for the same reasons. She's gonna love you for a minute, but then if she gets back together with him,

then she's humiliated because she thinks that you don't think she's a strong woman. And people do have their arrangements. And sometimes people, infidelity isn't the worst thing that someone could do. because she thinks that you don't think she's a strong woman. And people do have their arrangements. And sometimes people, infidelity isn't the worst thing that someone could do. You don't know. You don't know what someone's thing is,

even if you're close. So I think it's such a hard, it's very hard and very subjective. And I think you have to decide on where it is. And if your friend also is like on the verge of breaking up with them and is pissed and annoyed and all this stuff, and you're like, all right, well, then you should know that there's like another straw.

Is this the thing? But I mean, I had a friend who had, I think, one of the worst things happen in America that I've ever heard. OK? What happened? I mean, I want wanna try to do it so people can't totally figure it out.

Yeah, you gotta, no names. No, she called me like hysterical, and this was like six, seven years ago, okay? And she was someone that was confiding in a few of us about her unhappiness with the husband, just, and some suspicions of like trips and things. and some suspicions of like trips and things. And she had a friend over and woke up and something happened between them, okay?

The girlfriend and him. And I was like, well, the reason you woke up, God woke you up. Why did you wake up in the middle of the night? There's now, I'm like, now you have to figure out if this was going on for a long time, or was this a drunken thing? Was he the only one to blame?

She's saying like, she didn't know what happened and da da da. And, but I was like, but here's your thing. You didn't want, you've been like, you've been complaining about him. Now there's, this is just, and she went and told like a lot, she wanted everyone to know what a horrible person he was.

Well, then they, it all went away, they worked it out, they, whatever. Then continued with their life as a couple and she clearly didn't want to end it. And I was always very nice to him whenever I saw him. Because I'm like, she's just chosen to stay. And we're not super close. But when I'd see them in a social setting,

I was always like, oh, and I'd just ask him about his business or whatever. But then at one point, she was like, I can't believe that these other people didn't include us in something. And this one girl was like, I can't believe that these other people didn't include us in something. And this one girl was like, well, it's because of your husband's behavior. The other husbands don't want to be around him. Because they don't want their wives to think that if they're friends with him, that they

would do something like that. And that's what I was saying before, like how we assassinate our character and like our partners. And all of a sudden you don't get invited and everybody's like, oh no, after all that. But you're the one that told everybody. Right, right. And I even said that to her.

I was like, I gotta ask you, do you regret sharing it? Because you know, I didn't spread it. My other friend didn't spread it. We were like, we thought we were gonna take it to the grave. You know, and she just went off and she wanted everyone to know in our circle. And she said, no, I don't regret anything. I was like, okay, well good.

You know that's actually- And she recently moved. And I said, I think that's great. Because I'm like, you're gonna go, you're gonna go and no one's gonna ever know this history. I didn't say that to her, but that's what I was thinking. And I'm like, you're moving to a great different state. You know, it's gonna be, yeah.

Yeah, you know, in the book I have, they're called the Shut the F of Commandments, 10 Commandments, and the second one is that when you have a problem, pick one trusted person to tell and that's it. And actually to tell that person, it's like Heather. And that happened to me the other day. I had an issue with another friend and I just I called three people. No one was calling me up. One person called me and I said, it's you, right? I'm like, Heather, I'm gonna tell you something I'm not gonna tell anybody

else. You're my one person. And then it creates a bond because then you're like, okay, hold it, give it to me. And then I let it rip and I cried and I got that shoulder and I got that empathy and then I was done. And then the other three people call me back and they're like, so what's up? And I'm like, you know what? I have this thing where I only tell one person and I did it, but thank you.

And they're like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, I'm really sure. So that's like a hack. Yeah, that is. And also I think even with my one person, I have been better about being like, I'm gonna see how I feel tomorrow before I share this little thing.

Because I don't wanna burden the one person because it's like, I don't want, again and again, you know, so I'm like, let me just see where we're at. And so many times with what I do for a living, and it was my stepdaughter who said this when she was very young, like she was like 12, and I was like annoyed, you know, and she's with her brothers and I'm like,

saying, and she just goes, don't worry, mom will be fine in two weeks, this will be in her act and she won't care. And I was just like, what? And I just thought, you know what, I do have that ability. And there's times where I am like distraught, upset about something, no comedy in it at all. This could be a lifetime movie, drama scene, and sure enough, like I can find the humor, you know, providing no one died. I can find the humor in a lot of frustrating fights, whatever situation with time,

because that is comedy, is comedy is tragedy plus time. So you can find comedy in it. So if you wait, if you take the breath and you don't spend all that, but you know. The universe gives you material. Well, you know, I do buy, you know, Heather, she's been to a couple of my comedy shows.

I'm pretty good, I'm pretty good. But you know, I remember when I was in the thick of doing comedy, all these crazy things would happen in my life. And I was like, oh my God, this is what happens when you're a comedian. Like everything is ridiculous. And you're like, how is this right? Do you feel like your life must have all this ridiculousness? You know, when working on projects that are more like scripted storyline stuff,

all of a sudden, you know, I'm telling something and I'm like, well, I could work that in my act, but actually that's a whole episode. That's a whole episode. That's, you know, and it's really kind of fun because when you're in a creative mode and you're using your life for content or whatever, it does piggyback on itself.

Yeah. I always say this exact point. I've never said it before on camera. But you think of someone like Kim Kardashian, right? Like Kim, God bless her, probably her biggest dream ever was to always be the most famous person in the world, or something like that, right? Do you really think, like, she could have architected

for her stepdad to become a woman that was only gonna even create more headline news. I'm just saying, when you have an intention of whether it is being a great comedian or being the most famous person in the world, it's almost like the universe is gonna go, all right, we're gonna give you a stub.

You know what I'm saying? I think in the fact that it happened that way. People say, oh my gosh, she architects everything. I'm like, there's no way she architected for this stuff. I think that what they are great at, and she really being like the one that catapulted the family, is they are truly nice people. Yeah, for sure. And everyone says that, and I'm sure you're going to say too, they're truly nice and polite.

Nobody has a story about any of them being rude. And they're always giving people respect. And on time, super professional, they show up on set on time, whenever we work with Kim. Always a great work ethic, and also respectful of the smaller people in the room. You never hear those stories about them. But also really making the, like in the room, not like, you never hear those stories about them. But also really making the, like I always say,

Kim and Chris are the best at making the lemonade out of lemons. And the way Kim did react to that was pinnacle like in the history of it because her acceptance and then them accepting made, you know, trans people, everything, such a larger conversation and has really, and I've said that to Caitlyn Jenner. I said, Caitlyn, like you, you know, you are who,

I mean, you know, the ego, I know not everyone like, loves, but I'm like, and- She opened the way for so many people. Yeah, and then, and what she said was she's like, you know, this isn't the first time this happened in my life. And she said, I, and I remember this, but she had, growing up as Bruce, had dyslexia, but people didn't know had dyslexia,

but people didn't know what dyslexia was. And at one point she did an interview and it said, I'm dyslexic. And it became this thing where they're like, what is dyslexia? Kind of like how autism kind of became, we never talked about autism when I was 10. I never even heard the word. I don't think I heard the word until like my late 20s, you know?

So it's only been around for like 20, 25 years that we've really talked about it. And so the dyslexia, but then one thing she said is that she felt that then it became such a big news story that then people were like, are you dyslexic? Maybe you're dyslexic. And it became ways to make money on dyslexic kids and all this is, and think about it.

Do we talk about dyslexia that much anymore? We don't. It became such a thing that like everyone was dyslexic. And so it was just sort of interesting. That's like when she was like, this is the first time that me telling something about myself has become such a in the zeitgeist conversation type of a thing but in her case it was good because it made people

you know aware and more accepting but like yeah I think that's part of it is just seeing what comes down the way whatever it is and if it's something bad trying to be like I mean even you know with anything with them, they just, they definitely, they have the, they pretty much are good about having the blinders on about the hate. And then the opportunities they make a positive thing for their themselves, you know? It's an art form.

Okay, go to the next one. Yeah, keep going. Okay, this is actually, you gave me advice kind of like this. This was inspired by you. Oh my God. Okay, you're all hypothetical kind of like this. This was inspired by you. Oh my God. Okay, you're starting, this is all hypothetical, everyone's single here.

Yeah. You're starting to date someone, right? And on the third date, you just realize that you're not into it. Okay. You're not into it. He's a nice guy, but you just, he's just not for you, Heather. Not for you, because you know Peter somewhere

in another world. Yeah, but I had lots of third dates where I was not into it, okay? Right. He keeps texting you, and he keeps texting you though, and unfortunately he's just not getting it. He's not getting it. Do you tell him how you feel,

or do you keep just letting him phase out and for him to just get it on his own? Do you shut the fuck up, or don't shut the fuck up? Okay, I think this is so interesting because in my day, we did not have texting. So you had voicemails and stuff. So people would call and leave a voicemail and you could call them back or you could not.

And definitely back then, it was a much easier way to ghost back then. It was still a ghost. It was still, you know, you just didn't call them back. And you try a few times. I would too, too. I'd got blown off by guys. And I'd be like, wait.

Like one. Yeah. No. But it would be like, oh, you know, wait, did he go, was this the weekend for the bachelor weekend? Like, why am I not hearing back? And you hear it a few times and then you're like, okay. And then I feel like with dating apps and things,

I've heard from people that they do wanna cut them off quick. They do wanna be more definitive and be like, had a great, like someone would be like, well, right. I had a great time with you tonight, when can I see you again? And then my friend will be like, I'm not into it. So I just said, thank you so much for the drinks. I don't think we're a good match.

And then that is like the etiquette of just not dangling, not a slow ghost. I think, you know, with that, I think- For three dates- Remember, you personally, you personally. Three dates, I think you owe someone an explanation. Okay. Maybe that's harder.

See, maybe it's harder with three dates. Three dates, I never ever explained to anybody. Back in the day, I don't only just never called them back and I had to wonder why someone didn't like me. I never knew what it was and they had to wonder why someone didn't like me. I never knew what it was, and they had to wonder too. And the one time that someone was told, it was my sister. So we were dating all these guys and we lived together and she was an attorney, a DUI specialist, defense,

and I was a comedian and she met this guy and he was a firefighter and they dated and they were dating. It wasn't super serious, but it was kind of becoming like a boyfriend. And he asked her to come over one night and he like sat her down and broke up with her, but told her why.

And he was like, I just am not okay with what you do for a living because I'm a firefighter and I'm like cleaning up dead bodies from drunk drivers and you defend them. Mm, okay. Well now everyone needs a defense and that wasn't all that she did. But it was like, she came home and she's like,

gosh, you know, we always wonder why somebody doesn't want to date us anymore. We always want to know the reasons. And she's like, I could have lived without that. She's like, I could have lived with him just blowing me up. I didn't have to drive 35 minutes to be like, hey, we're never going to date again. And so, yeah, now I'm going back to just blow them off and you should just, and it's best that you don't know. Because if it's not gonna improve your life,

it's just not meant to be. And if it's something really specific, like something physical or you just don't have enough money or I don't find you interesting enough or I don't like your job, if it's something that you can't, like then why do you need to know that? How are you helping someone?

And also like even if they're giving you... so people you know, it's like I need closure. I need closure. They could be lying to you. Yeah. So then you're getting a fake closure. Right. So it's like, you know, I was joking around. I was telling you I've heard I was like the new maybe he's not that into you is maybe he has a rash in his ass. Like seriously like you don't know has a rash in his ass. Like seriously

like you don't know why someone's blowing you off. You they could tell you like hey I'm getting back with my ex or I'm not into it but at the same time it's still a fictional story. The thing I always told people now that I'm thinking about it or I sometimes I would break up with people as... You gave me that. I would break up with someone as... So wait what did I tell you? You told me that. I would break up with someone as, so wait, what did I tell you? You told me, it was so good, and I used it to break up with someone, you were like, this is what you do.

Oh, getting back together with someone, like, yes. That's what it was, because I felt nobody, you can't. You told me you're a lesbian friend from some studio. Okay, you must have. What you can't, I always thought it was the perfect thing because it's a nice letdown, and it was, and it's if you're dating someone just a short while, you know, but you maybe gone out a few times.

And you're like, listen, I heard from my ex and he is apologizing and really wants to give it another chance. And we were together for years and I would be mad at myself if I didn't try to be with him one more time. So we're gonna give it one more shot. And so I would do this for friends.

They'd be like, can you do my voice and call and break up? And I would call as my friend, and I'd be like, hey, I don't know. I just, it's really hard. And then I remember this one guy goes, wow, all right, lucky guy. And I hung up and I'm like, you're a fucking bitch. You should go out with him.

First of all, there is no ex-boyfriend. And this guy really liked you. And then I would be like sad about the fake backstory. I was like, where is this guy coming back to say sorry for everything he did to me? That should be a moot. You should have been the breakup doula. And the breakup doula trying to work her way

into one of those people she let down. Yeah. Wow. Okay, do you have another? Yeah, I have another one. All right, this is a harmless. You go to your favorite Rosé all day brunch with your four besties. Okay.

After the best boozy brunch you've ever had in years, you notice that the waiter comes back and he only charged for three brunches instead of five. He made a mistake. Do you shut the fuck up or you don't shut the fuck up? You shut the fuck up and give him like 40% tip, 100%. He knows what he's doing. Yeah, absolutely. You gotta let the universe, you gotta receive.

I mean, especially if it's like a big place. Now, if it was like they were struggling and they were like a mom and pop shop and they could not have been sweeter and something, then maybe if I felt like I'm kinda screwing them over, like we're the only people there all day and they forgot to charge this expensive thing and the person was a new waiter. Like that would be the only thing. So that would be such a rare case. Mostly I would be thrilled that something was missing and I would just tip

really well. Okay. Yeah. Okay. This is kind of funny. Yeah. All right. So your rich, super wealthy older friend invites you to same bards in his yacht for New Year's Eve She's loving it. Yeah There's a group of four of you much younger girls that were invited as well So the four of you are talking outside of the bathroom where he's currently in the bathroom Your wealthy older rich friend comes out of the bathroom and there's some mysterious white powder in his nose While he's talking to the four of you very aggressively. Do you shut the fuck up or you don't shut the fuck up?

Of course you shut the fuck up. You're his guest. He can do as much coke as he wants. But you don't tell him that he... What I mean by that. Oh, you go like that? Yeah. No, I don't think so. Eventually he'll go back to the bathroom to get more and see it. And you know, no, only if, first of all, I've never really had that happen.

Okay, I have a story. Where I've seen it because I just, I've said this before since I've never even ever tried cocaine in my life. I feel like people know if you're down, sometimes I've had people be like, I can get you some whatever. And then when I'm like, oh, no, thank you. I'm not interested. Then the minute they register is like, you're not one to participate. They really keep that

part of their lives separate from you. Doesn't mean you won't be invited. You might not be invited to some things. But if they end up doing it, they're not going to be doing it in front of you because there's something that goes with it. And I don't know why, because I don't judge people for that. Well now I judge you because there could be fentanyl in it, you could die so that's stupid. Yeah, this was in the 80s. But I do feel that for some reason like people I know that were in my circle that loved cocaine that I was on trips with that I can honestly say, I never saw them do it. But listen, this could be also food in your teeth. Right, food in your teeth, food in your teeth, yes.

And it's always so embarrassing, but yes, I do tell someone and I do appreciate when someone tells me. So I think if I saw that and I knew somebody, I think maybe I would, not in his case, because he's the man, he's paying for everything, who cares? But if it was like a friend and it was a party or something and it was really obvious, I'd be like.

But you know what? And I'd like wink at him just because I wouldn't want them to then be embarrassed, yeah. Well, you know, that actually happened to be years ago. Yeah. When I was, you know. Having fun. Years ago.

And I was on a boat, it was my friend's boat and he was talking to our other friend. It was only like four of us, and I was on the other side of the boat and they was talking to our other friend. It was only like four of us, and I was on the other side of the boat and they were talking for a while. And after for a while they were talking, I came to them and I'm like, hey, and then I see my friend that has a substance

and I go, hey, you have something right there. All of a sudden he turns to my other friend and he goes, how can you not tell me we've been talking for the last 30 minutes? What kind of a friend does that to me? And my friend was like... So yeah it could backfire. Yeah. Yeah. So that was... Okay let's do one more. One more. These are like a different would you rathers but you better. Yeah. Okay so you go meet your best friends in South America for New Year's and you're single

so you end up on a date Yeah, and you meet a really amazing guy and the chemistry is on point. Okay, wink wink But on the third day you have a little cold sore outbreak Okay, okay and on your lip and now it's very small so it could pass for a for a pimple But also and also you're probably never gonna see this person again. Do you shut the fuck up or you don't shut the fuck up? Okay, so I have herpes and I'm having an outbreak. I didn't get the herpes from him.

No, not necessarily, because you get it once in a while. Or like every four years or whatever. Back in the day, I had a couple close friends that had herpes. And it feels like there was like so many herpes commercials back in the day. Again, a dyslexic person with herpes was everywhere 20 years ago.

Where are they? Anyway, so, and they, both of them were attorneys and female attorneys. And female attorneys. And they felt they had to tell every single person that they had it. And I was like, but wait a minute, like if you're not having, if you haven't had an outbreak for six years and whatever,

why are you putting someone in this position to have to decide to get with you or not or whatever? And one of the person that disclosed it before sex, like you're supposed to, like she's gonna be disbarred or whatever. And the guy was so into her and he went to his brother, was a doctor and like asked about it and was like, the guy was like, you'll be fine, da da da.

Unless she's having an outbreak, you're going to be fine. They have been married forever, have kids. He's never, ever gotten it. Well, first, it's not just sex. People have the, it just, stress builds it, triggers it. It's not necessarily a sexually transmitted. But there's been lawsuits about about, I mean, obviously about like AIDS and stuff, but like there's things like that which, you know, you can like, I get why people are like, when

they get it and at the time it was like, oh my God, and it was so shameful and like, oh, it came from this and who must have given it to me and all of that. I feel like hopefully in today's world of dating, of STDs and stuff, we have medicine that it's not as big of a deal as it was like 25 years ago. But I would say, I would say you do, I would say wear a condom and don't tell anybody that you have it.

Right. Well, in the example, it means on the lip. So you get it on the lip and it could pass for a pimple, but you know, it means on the lip. So you get it on the lip. And it could pass for a pimple, but you know that it's a cold sore. Would you tell the person, hey, like, I really like you, but this thing just came up and... I mean, I think I would not engage with him anymore because I wouldn't want to give it to him

if I had something like that. But I'm saying if it was dormant, and I'm dating somebody and I really like them, and we're about... That's what I'm saying. But was dormant and I'm dating somebody and I really liked them and we're about, that's what I'm saying. But these girls were telling everybody. And for one, it was fine, cause she told the right person.

And they stayed married. For the other one, I mean, she's still single today. And I don't think that's the reason cause she's got other issues. But I do think that's kind of like an interesting thing and I kind of wonder for the dating people, what is that today? Because I don't know, I haven't been single in so long.

What is it when you have something? Are you supposed to tell somebody? No, if something's dormant, why would you say, first of all, the, you know, a cold sore can be triggered, it's stress triggered, right? It's not necessarily that you're engaged in some sort of making out or something, then you it. So if something's dormant I don't think it needs to be disclosed. Now if it's there I think yeah, I think

you have a human duty, citizen duty to tell the person, hey I'm having an outbreak, this isn't a pimple. Just I want to be responsible. So your book is doing great. Yes. It's only $18.99. It's an Amazon number one bestseller right now. That is so awesome. Thank you. And you said it's doing really well, and maybe because the title is so like catchy.

Yeah. And... You know, I've kind of... It's the cliff notes of so many years of really studying just the human experience and how we can be not just more effective, but just more compassionate with ourselves and others. It really is you start loving and accepting people more and really injecting empathy. We live in a... I bring up a lot of questions about just human dynamic. For example, like let's say you and I are coworkers and we have a boss and we're always saying

what a nightmare he is. Like if you knew that talking about him and describing him as a nightmare keeps him being that way, you keep experiencing him as a nightmare, would you still do it? To get those 20 minutes of banter, is it worth those hours of you suffering because this guy or this woman is a nightmare to you?

So it's like the way that we just- Yeah, I definitely also think, yeah, but also in an office thing, that is where one bad apple can rot the rest. And that's why when someone is clearly unhappy, and then you're like, and then they fired me and they're like, well, what happened? Well, they brought me in.

They were like, you're not happy. And they're like, I am. And it's because they know that like, if you're miserable, and you're pointing out all the things that are wrong with the job, then you go to coffee with another person from the office and you can be like black mold, you know? And so that's the other thing. Like know that if you're not happy at a job, but you're not ready to leave, these people that are working with you are not your friends. They are not like, I know it's fun to go get coffee and commiserate and bag on this person, but eventually you're going to be gone, whether

you leave or you get fired. And these people that are, you're not gonna hang out with them in two weeks. You're just not. I mean, maybe they'll stay friends on social media, but you're really, the relationship was strong because you saw them every day. I saw the funniest thing that this guy put on TikTok.

He's like, there's no two people more in love or something than two people that in love or something than two people that you work with that are both married to other people that are flirting. Like the relationship, like it can work both ways. You can, two people that one person hates the job can make the other one hate the job too. And then one, and then two people that are not in great marriages that,

but are together every day at a job, that's the most common affair. And then they get married and then they realize like, oh, it was just fun because we were flirting. And you know, it is, but again, it's that connecting and like feeding, like fueling the fire, you know? Adding to it. What if we can retrain what relatedness

and connection is? You know, if like, instead of commiserating over like, gossiping or whatever, like what if you could actually, those are the hacks that I have. Like if somebody's saying something, you could literally just be like, I hear you. Like, just don't add to those conversations because that's where those conversations,

they just, they come and bite you back in the ass. And people don't even have to know, like you could have a group, you could walk into a situation where everybody's badmouthing somebody, you could just go, wow, I hear you. And they'll think you're jumping in, but you know that you're not. And that's what makes all the difference.

So it's like, so I give you like all these different hacks that you could do. Like if you're going to talk about a friend, just don't say their name. Like just get it. Just it's a little hack. Like be like, oh, so I have this friend just by you not saying their name, you're just, you're saving your integrity about it. And you can still be funny and tell great stories and crack up the whole room.

But it just has a different tonality. Yeah. Yeah. So tell everybody where they can follow you and buy the book. Yeah. So you can follow me at JorgePerezJR on Instagram. My website is stfumethod.com. Under Amazon is the Shut the Fuck Up Method.

And yeah, let me know what you think. I'm really excited about this. I think it's gonna really do a lot of healing and thank you for having me. You're the best. Thank you. A lot of people are learning about all the benefits of fasting but worry about the whole not eating part. Well that's exactly why Prolon was created. Prolon is a revolutionary plant-based nutrition program that nourishes the body while making cells believe they're fasting. Right now Prolon is offering Juicy Scoopers with Heather McDonald 15% off

their five-day nutrition program. Go to ProlonLife.com slash Juicy Scoop. That's P-R-O-L-O-N Life dot com slash Juicy Scoop for this special offer.