Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Sonja Morgan and The Points Guy, Brian Kelly

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

A double Juicy Scoop episode for laughs and travel tips. First, I talk to OG Real Housewife of New York, Sonja Morgan. She is fresh off a romp in the sack with a new man before she models lingerie in New York Fashion Week. She gives her unfiltered opinion on RHONY and her future on Bravo. Then, I talk to Brian Kelly, The Points Guy about his first book “How to Win at Travels”. You won’t believe these never been heard, amazing saving travel tips. Get ready to vacation first class! We also discuss his love of real housewives, entrepreneurship and choosing to be a single dad of 2 boys through surrogacy. He is a smart delight who is here to share all the juice on how to use your Points! So fun, so great! • Go to https://Quince.com/juicy for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  • Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code JUICYSCOOP at  https://www.irestorelaser.com/JUICYSCOOP ! #irestorepod • Find exactly what you’re booking for on https://Booking.com ,Booking.yeah! Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald on iTunes, the podcast app, and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPodApple  https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a double header great show for you guys. Before I get into that I just want to say congrats to all the lucky Juicy Scoopers who are coming to see me tomorrow night Friday at the Playdium in New York City Times Square. Such a great show. Also then the next day I'm jetting off and I'm gonna see you in DC at Lincoln Center. That is Saturday, February 15th. And then Sunday, February 16th, I'll be at Red Bake, New Jersey with Andrea Lopez and Anna Reussman for a funny, hilarious, juicy, everyone will love it show.

So get your ticks. Come see me. Make the most of this Valentine's weekend. Okay. Make the most of this Valentine's weekend. Okay, and Everything's that Heather McDonald net along with my Palm Springs date March 1st with Brandon Julie So let me tell you what I got for today's show. Okay, really hilarious funny interview with our girl, Sonya Don't touch the Morgan letters. Okay, Sonyia Morgan. Oh gee I got her backstage. She was just about to take the stage and model as she says lingerie and This is very funny. Very juicy. It's just Sonia all the way and then we go right into my next interview

with the points guy Brian Kelly is an amazing guest. He's an incredible author. He will tell us everything, how to get the most out of your credit cards, travel. But we also get into some housewives juice and because he's a fan of that as well as how he became a single father as a gay man, which is very interesting about surrogacy and all of it. Love being an entrepreneur at age 12. You're going to love both these interviews. So what a fun Juicy Scoop episode.

And here we go. Hello, I am here with the one and only Sonja Morgan. Sonja, thank you. So you are modeling tonight, you said? Right. I'm modeling lingerie tonight and they're waiting for me backstage. But I said, I have to go on the Juicy Scoop. This is my girlfriend through Josh Flagg.

You know, we're like family. She sat at the family table or, you know, his party for Nikki Haskell. Remember, with the parents? Yes. Is it? Is it? Yes, that was a really fun night. Wait, is it lingerie or lingerie? It depends if you want to say it in English or French. So lingerie is French. So what I'm eating, of course, as a, you know, 60 something year old model,

this is what I eat before. Pesto, cream. So my belly sticks out like Kate Moss. Remember they killed Kate Moss when she model lingerie, like the haters came out saying, oh, you're too old, you have a belly. Honey, never too old. And so wait, were you doing, so this is for Fashion Week,

you're doing all like cool, real fashion shows. This is official New York Fashion Week. And they said they're having iconic, you know, people on to model in each set and then there's this singer Maya. I'm a part of pop culture but I don't know anything about it so she's supposed to be like some famous singer and absolutely gorgeous and they have some top models and I didn't brush my hair. You know, I got shagged last night. And so- Oh, you did? Who'd you sleep with?

Well, because the Viking and I are done. It was a year and a half. He ghosted. Now, why do you call him the Viking? Was he really from? Yeah, he's a Icelandic or Norwegian. Like a Nordic? He has a beard, like red strawberry, red blonde hair.

And you guys were exclusive- He was used to have- Wait, you were an exclusive boyfriend a girlfriend for a year and a half? Yeah, the New York Post like tried to out him and everything. I kept him you know, I have to keep him under a rock. You know what happens around me? Everybody steals my boyfriends. So who's this? Who's the guy from last night?

So I met a guy last night that I met before. So we did a little rendezvous because, you know, I'm in New York. I sold the townhouse. I'm at a hotel. So he met me at the bar and it's looking up. It's looking up. It's going forward. And I didn't meet him on one of those dating apps, you know, with the fish in your hand

and no shirt. Yeah. No, this guy, I'm telling you, this is good. So I'm excited. And so now you live in Palm Beach? Yes, I have a beautiful condo and that's my home base now. So when I'm flying out, like this weekend I'm doing the Paramount Theater. You know that theater, it's huge.

Yeah, uh-huh. And the Wellmont on Saturday in New Jersey. So I have friends from New York coming to both. And of course they do my hair and makeup, so I don't bother. I know it's true to show up like this. So you're living in Palm Beach. Have you heard about the new reality show that's starting in Palm Beach? Have you heard about this? Yeah, I heard about this. There's nothing there. There's nothing there. Trust me. Okay.

I mean, you might as well watch the new Ronnie, the new Rony or however you say it, Real Housewives of New York. That's not gonna, no, nobody's that I know is accepting that one. So I would tell you, if I thought it was something you should be talking about or be on the, it hasn't even been picked up. Okay. I just wondered if they were like trying to get you on it. No, I mean, I'm too expensive for Bravo now. Who the hell can afford me down there? You know, oh geez, get too much money. We're out. We're on the curb, baby.

We're doing OnlyFans and Cameos and Zooms and Cabralesque shows. Cabralesque. Listen, so wait, so have you watched any of the Rony the last two seasons, the new girls? No, I haven't even watched the end of Crappy Lake and I saw the first three episodes because I was with my lover, you know, it's been a year and a half Viking and he liked watching it. Guys really like Crappy Lake, you know, with my snatch guard Luanne Dills. But you know, people are calling me Guard, Luann Dulles.

But you know, people are calling me and Luann and everyone. They all want to hire us and do sizzle reels and all that. So something else shake out. Oh, a lot of people want to do new shows with you guys. Yeah. Yeah. And you know me, I don't want to do drama anymore. I'm tired of turning the other cheek. I want to do the comedy like you. I like to be the funny girl.

So what about doing more Ultimate Girls trip? turn in the other cheek. I want to do the comedy like you. I like to be the funny girl. So what about doing more ultimate girls trip? I think they put like a they put a pin in it because of all the controversy with Brandi and Caroline Manza, but all the fans want to see more ultimate girls trips. Wouldn't you go do that again? Is that the word on the street? As a Vivaer would say? Okay, yeah, we are all open to a trip and short season, you know, short filming, you know, I think it's gonna be just a couple of weeks, 10 days, and we'll get a few episodes short.

Me and Louanne are totally booked on our tours. Like you have your tour dates. You don't just go cancel them because you're gonna go, you know, do something else. So I really need to know how to time. I've got like 15 cities. I'm doing like four cities in California. I'm doing Florida.

So now I fly out of PBI. It's incredible, Heather. I don't have to do LaGuardia. I don't have to do Kennedy. And I don't have to pay $120 to go state near practically like Fred Flintstone, you know, making the car go from myself. You know, I, I just go to PBI. It's like $6. It's so close because I live in West

Palm on the water. Yeah. Now, what about although you're too young for Palm Beach, you're so young. I performed in Palm Beach and I love, it's just the cutest, most like, it just, it feels like a movie. I love all the colors and the style and the rich people. What about the men down there? You've got the baby suit bod, you know, you still have that. I wear one piece and hide. I'm like, oh, meanwhile I'm doing lingerie today, but that's all right.

That's to inspire all the other women like me out there. So yeah, and you're too young to go to Palm Beach because you have your son still. He's still home. My daughter moved out. She's in Hollywood. She's doing fine. Well, you know, both my boys are in college,

but are you looking to score like, you know, some rich older men? Because I went out one night and I saw Ramona out. Oh, she has a great boyfriend. She has a great boyfriend. And so what about like, you don't want to find someone more serious or you're just having fun playing the field? No, I do.

But I don't think she met him in Palm Beach from what I can tell is, you know, that's a very small pond, Palm Beach. I'm more of an international jet setter type. Those, you know, a lot of the hot looking guys there, I don't know if you noticed, they're looking for sugar mama. Yeah. All the cute guys are married to women that you say,

oh, she must have the money. You know, you can just tell. And then the older guys are all married, I suppose. I mean, I do like a guy, you know, less hair than me and a bigger belly. There's plenty of that, but I'm not gonna go around eyeballing people's old men, you know, down there. Like I can't do that. I don't want to be like canceled by the local matrons of society.

So when you hear about all the fans being like, bring back the OGs, we don't, we miss our girls and everything. Is there some a little bit of vindication because they did just send you guys off to pasture and replace you with girls that are not nearly as entertaining? I think they're all wonderful women in their own right. But as an ensemble as a show, it just cannot compare to the original Rony. How do you feel about that? Well, I'm not vindictive. That's not my style. I mean, I'm sorry it didn't work out for them. Not vindictive. Not vindictive.

They couldn't fill our shoes. They can't fill our shoes. I mean, that's why we're the OGs. That's why we had so many seasons. Plus, Andy Cohen's first book said the best franchises are the girls who really are friends. We're all dear friends. We knew each other for decades. You know, it's more like, you know, it's an ensemble cast of people that know each other

and have a trust level, and they can fight like sisters, you know, it's more like, you know, it's an ensemble cast of people that know each other and have a trust level and they can fight like sisters, you know, and be real about it. But I think also, but what I do feel is, I didn't say right, Heather, it was good for us to show that you don't know, but I didn't want to wait, I just want to get us. I didn't say vindictive. I said vindicated, vindicated, just kind of like told you so a little bit. I think it gave us a seal of approval that, you just can't fill our shoes.

They should have done a different title first of all, I think it was unfair to those girls to go with hashtag real housewives of New York. That didn't make sense to me, that's our hashtag. I think they could have been the new lives of New York City or something. You know, the new kids on the block because they are basically kids compared to us. Other than Jenna Lyons, I think she's more our age. And I've met all the girls. They're all great. You've met them, right?

I think they're all great and gorgeous too. I just think it's just a different type of show. You're right. It should have been called. And also they're all social influencers. So we have to, so I think that plays a part in it being a little less fun because they're seriously working all the time, but in a job that's not fun to watch on TV. Taking photos of your outfits and posting about it is not a fun job to watch on TV.

Having you guys put together a charity event that you were really doing that then had a bunch of snafus in real life was really entertaining to watch. And you didn't all have your phones out trying to get your own content at the same time. I think that's what the biggest difference is that people haven't really realized. Well, I didn't watch it, but that sounds about right because the feedback I'm getting from people is just like, we don't want to watch them.

They want to hear about our divorces and losses in our life and how we keep going and inspire others to let them know that they can relate to us. And then of course, there's the more money, more problems thing that always makes people feel better. People want wisdom and they want to laugh. And I think all of us are funny. You're all funny. You know, Jill, Dorinda, Luann, everybody. And it's also that no filter New Yorker. Like you guys were a, there is a type of woman that makes you the New Yorker that I am not. That I'm like, oh my God, like Jill will just say stuff

and I'll just die laughing because it's like, oh my God, you remind me of my New York aunt back in the day. And like, there's something about a New Yorker that when you're true blue New York, you just don't give a shit and you say it. And that is what I also think made the show so authentic. I think so too. Even myself, when I see someone from New York

and I recognize the accent and the mojo, you know? Like, loading the plane from, I forget where it came from, DC, because I had a show in DC. I'm in DC, coming off the show, and people there are like really easygoing. And I'm going to get on the plane to LaGuardia, and you can tell they're New Yorkers. They're just like moving that line so fast.

And all the stewardess are so happy because everyone has their ticket ready. Everyone has their baggage the right size. There's no fumbling. You don't get in front of somebody at Starbucks in Manhattan. And I know your order, right? Right. That is great. So tell me a little bit about your shows.

What are you doing? How does it work? So it's it's it started out. I had a couple of sidekicks and you know sing song skits that you've seen me do on Real housewives, you know the white swan or you know The Marilyn Monroe like fun skits and then I got too expensive like you always hear the way and say it's too expensive I can't pay you babe, You know, here's 250. Try to get your nails done for that. But no, I just, I cut the expenses down. I don't have the piano player anymore.

I don't have the, you know, big screen up there. I don't have like these new songs. I'm just coming out, doing improv, flying from the hip. I start with my chair dance, which is always hilarious. You've seen that when I did them on the show. So I put some new moves in there for this first quarter. And then I wear my headdresses and fans and ostrich, you know, everywhere flying. It's chaos. And people are scared I'm going to break a hip at my age. You know, my fans love me. And so they're always like, oh, oh my God.

Oh, and then we do the Q&A, which I've got some crazy fans. You know, I don't call them fans, they're contemporaries. I mean, they're telling me about three ways and choking each other out. And you wouldn't believe the things they tell me. I mean, they're asking me questions. Have you ever done that? I'm like, no, I haven't been choked. No, not literally.

Yeah, I know it's like that thing guys do, but it I'm like, no, I haven't been showt. No, not literally. Yeah, I know it's like that thing guys do, but it's not like, oh, you won't believe what comes out with the Q&A. And then now, I mean, the meet and greet, I used to like sign people's phones, then it was their boobs. Now they bend over, pull down their pants, I sign their ass cheek. It's like total chaos. It's so much fun. Oh, good. I mean, do you sign people's asses at your show? Um, I'm not signing ass. I have signed a boob. I do get great, um, gifts.

I got a Chanel wallet. Oh no, my friend never gives me Chanel. They know I'll just, you know, give it to my daughter. I like the fake shit. I gave my daughter all my Birkins. They know I'll just, you know, give it to my daughter. I like the fake shit. I gave my daughter all my Birkins. She took everything out of storage. Oh yeah, she had a viral TikTok. People didn't realize she was your daughter

when it first went. And she was like, oh my God, and look at all these Birkins that I have for my mom. And then people looked down at the name and they're like, oh my God, that's Sonia's daughter. Yeah. I'm so proud of her that she does that on her own. Yeah, yeah, it was good.

It was funny. So- I think she learned from her mama how to do that, but still have a professional job in finance. You know, she has- What was it being your daughter? Has she ever had a problem with you and your reality stardom?

No, I think when she was younger, like she'd come home from school at three, I would always be with her, do her homework, have her snacks. She's like that. She has to have the hope. She's straight A's since forever. She graduated summa cum laude, or however you said. Sounds like cum laude.

I don't like to say it wrong. But she always has been a bookworm, a Libra, very balanced. She doesn't like the limelight. She likes, you know, she's the ambassador. I think when she was that age, she would mind if I had to go film right after, you know, I'd leave her at four and then she'd go to bed at six. That bothered. But once she got older, she was fine. Some loser, he knows who he is, I'm sure, but some guy that has a podcast somehow got my daughter on there. And he actually said to her, and she was very professional and very

inspirational. I didn't watch it, but I got the clip because someone sent it to me. He said, oh, don't you get embarrassed of your mom or something like that? She's like, no, without skipping a beat. She said, everything my mom does is for me. She's pop culture icon. That you know, that's what is our today. So she's very cool. She goes, I don't care how little you get for just dumping because I found the place in Florida, but get your life started.

Do you feel like that townhouse was just like an ongoing nightmare? Like it was another character on the show. It just like kept coming back from the dead. Like it was like, what was that? It was great gardens, right? He's coming back from the dead. Well, you know, that's the whole thing. I want my daughter to have security. She was a very sensitive type and the divorce shook her up a bit. So I just wanted her to have security in the house and all her friends are international. My godson, who's like her brother, he went to the Rosse in Switzerland and she went to Taft. So we had all these international kids staying at the house. Every couch was made up as a bed.

So I didn't wanna take that out from under her. And then when she moved to Hollywood, I'm like, why am I one person living on five floors, my garden, my balcony? I used to spend a day in the basement, like Dorinda in the basement, you know? No, good riddance, goodbye house. So what did you finally get for it?

I don't even remember, it was so low. I know I had to take a mortgage when I was sued. I had a chapter 11, I had a slate of, it was so low. I know I had to take a mortgage when I was sued. I had a chapter 11. I had a slate of pictures I was doing. Well, one movie was with Forrest Whitaker and Gabriel Amar. And that won awards. I was doing great. And then somebody set me up.

It's called like a whatever. It was terrible. So yeah. So you were like an investing producer. So I took a mortgage on the house for that lawsuit, this is what I was saying. So that whatever I sold it for, it covered the mortgage plus some crumbs and I'm out of there. And now any income I have is just for me, well, I'm still supporting my daughter like many of us.

I mean, anybody who has a kid over 30 has to help them these days. It's just not the same. Yeah. When I grew up. Right. And do you feel, still, what about the Morgan letters? Well, it was one of famous moment. Don't touch the Morgan letters. How do you feel about the Morgan letters today?

Good, you know, I still do the, I'm doing the LGBTQ parties in the summer at the Morgan library and I'm still on the board of some of the Morgan charities. And you know, I'm a Francophile, so one of the museums and Morgan, JP Morgan's daughter is over in France. So I still have all that going on. And you know, I support artists, LGBTQ animals, our, you know, children. So that all ties in because it's a French American museum

and a lot of my LGBTQ friends are artists so I can help them out. Like Hans Leinam is a really good friend. He just texted like a few minutes ago. Yeah, that is great. And so when do you come to LA again to stay with Josh Flagg? Well, he just texted me,

when am I gonna see your pussy? I'm just like, okay, how many times do I have to show it to him? He misses me so bad. So now he has this new, new house, right? He has the new one he's still building, and then he has the new, new one that I just stayed in. And he has Kelton, who we call Kruton,

that's his, I wanna say fiance. He was crushed when his last relationship broke up. And I had to go there and sleep with him and take bubble baths and take care of him. He lost so much weight. He was very sad about that breakup. Now I can tell you he's a new man with Calvin. They're a wonderful together.

So people put together. So I'm gonna go out there soon because I have these four shows in California and I have Seattle. Tell us about the California. Do you know your California dates offhand or where can they find all their dates? March, I think. Maybe I can come to the LA one. I'll try and go to the end of February because he's not going to wait until March 12, 11.

He's not going to wait. But I do have Monterey. I'm looking to end of February, because he's not going to wait till March 12, 11. He's not going to wait. But I do have Monterey. I'm looking forward to that. NAP has already sold out. Oh, great. And then I'm going to do Ventura. That's when all my LA's friends are coming too.

And that's between Ventura and Ventura. I'm close to Ventura. You should be the MC. I think I already have an MC. But you should be the opening act. Whatever, call me, I'm ready, but I'll be, I'll go for sure. I like to also be an audience member and cheer you on.

Yeah, you're working a lot right now. You could deserve a little rest. Yeah, whatever. It'll be fun. Well, anyway, this was so great talking to you and I know you have to go and be a supermodel. And yeah, let's go out. Let's hang out. Good luck with all the shows.

You really are funny off the cuff and I'm sure people will have a great time. So where do they buy their tickets? There's their one site to go. You can get them on my website, Sony Morgan Official, or just put in Sony in your city, but don't go through their shit sites because they shitty sites, as you know, they don't have the meet and greet. Yeah, they have to go to the actual theater. Also they're more expensive too, because they might be like second hand.

So we don't want people to ever pay more than they have to. All your other endeavors, the tipsy girl, the toaster ovens, the clothing, like what happened? Are you just ready? Are you thinking you'll ever get back into those fields? Tipsy girl, as you know, went 86 with that partner, which Bethany said it would anyhow, not because of Bethany, I mean, we survived that fight and we're good friends to this date.

But I have my Sonya Sangria is doing very well. It's in Canada and in the US. And it's white and red. You know, there's no added sugar or anything. It's all natural and organic. So that's great. And then cameo on like if you're on the board there, you know, I'm always in the top 10 worldwide. But in the Bravo Liberty list, I'm always in the top one or two. So that's been a mainstay for me, cameo. And then my OnlyFans on there, I share my makeup tips and things that people are usually like following me.

I don't like whatever you call that, when people surf you to find out what you're wearing. And yeah, it's just like- So for your OnlyFans, you don't do sexy stuff? Oh, I will put on some sexy things for the perfs, but it's a sex workers channel to begin with, but then Hulu did this whole special on OnlyFans, like Cardi B signed up right after me.

So it's an English company, and I had to get a big sign on bonus big sign up, but you should do it make them pay you up front. Oh really? Okay. I can intro you, but you don't have to like Cardi puts on there like for $500 you can see a video of her backstage making a new album. Okay.

Somebody 20 bucks to get my my favorite travel cosmetics or something. But I do put some, you know, whatever I did on the show where I was like nude or whatever, and I'll see it like blurred out, I'll put that on there, I'll put on a booby dress that I'll post things that, you know, some people want to see my feet. I don't want to get paid for my feet.

They said, can I pay you 500 to see your feet? And do you say yes, don't you? Yeah, I don't really wanna track that kind of thing. I don't know. I know some girls like it. I'm not a foot fetish type of girl. Yeah. Will you come back to BravoCon if they ask you?

If I have a show to promote, I only did it two times because we had the crappy leg, but if I have a show to promote, I only did it two times because we had the crappy leg, but if I have a show to promote, I will do it. I think you're right, they should do another Ultimate Girls trip. And one of these other, you know, what do you call sizzle reels or pilots I'm working on, something's going to stick. I mean, there are people out there that want to have us and not just a rotating cast. You know, these rotating casts where they have you on once and then bye bye.

They don't want to have like 13 seasons where they have to keep paying you more. Right. Not, not just like doing, would you do the traders? Now they asked me to do that all three seasons, right? I can't just say, Oh yeah, I'm going to, I'm just going to, you know, clear my calendar for six weeks of Sonya and your say to give you my phone and I can't just say, oh yeah, I'm going to, I'm just going to, you know, clear my calendar for six weeks of Sonya and Yersi to give you my phone and I can't do county-os. Yeah. You don't get your phone then.

I don't, you know, I don't understand. You couldn't do OnlyFans then either, right? Yeah. I have interns that compose stuff for me on my OnlyFans because I have a stack of, I put everything in Dropbox that I want going on OnlyFans. And there I don't really have to put a caption. It's not a back and forth. And I got a hundred dollar tip from a woman in Texas when I posted a moomo I was wearing at a pool in Texas. That's nice. Not even a lesbian from what I can tell.

So do you pay your interns now? No, they get school credit and then they don't leave. It's kind of like my lovers. They get breakfast and they don't leave. They check in. They don't check out. Once they get around, like sitting front row at this fashion today or flying with me to do Fiber One or Vita Coco, like flying around with me and styling me and getting all that sexy resume next to working at Farms and No the last job. You know, they really like the access.

And my daughter said, you have to understand most kids, we go to work in a cubicle and then we go out to Sweet Greens and we come back. They don't have the access you and I have. They're not at jock-flags parties. You know, they're not going to the Morgan Library and saying, hello, Mrs. Morgan. It's like they get to see shit. Yeah. And what about, have you ever wanted to get your daughter

to work for you then? You said she's in a little cubicle. Maybe she'd rather be doing it. Oh, no. She has a boss job. OK. She actually has an office now. Because she was in Paramount and Disney.

She went to Paramount and then a headhunter picked her up. And so now she's with the boss team of 18 people, you know, doing, she crunches numbers for motion pictures. She's, she knows everything. She knows everybody, everything. I can't wait to see you one day being the mother of the bride. If she was to get married, do you think you'll be a good mother of the bride or a bad one?

Oh, yeah, I'll be great. I've been great at all her graduations and meeting her dates. She always says, oh, I don't want to date for a while. I'm going to have a boyfriend and then a year, two years, and then right away she has a boyfriend. I've never had a DTF kind of girl. So I'm just glad she's been with her boyfriend now four years. two years and then right away she has a boyfriend. I've never had a DTF kind of girl. So I'm just glad she's with her boyfriend now four years. Escorted to the Adore Me Fasten show. Okay, you go have a great time. This was really fun and we will see you soon.

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Everyone thinks they are. No, but I really like- Have you really helped anyone though? Have I helped them? Have you really whispered and they've taken your advice and done something great? Oh yeah, I mean I helped them all travel. Oh, helped them travel?

Yeah, I mean, and I also like, I'm an entrepreneur, so I wanna start a side business like helping them through their storylines, cause like as a gay with the pulse on like pop culture. I don't know, now I feel competitive with you. Because I truly have been the housewife consultant. But I'm better than you, because I do it for Christian service hours.

And I just help out of the goodness of my heart. I do too, yeah, I shouldn't charge them. But like, you just watch some of these storylines, like you watch like Mia talking about her abortion storyline which she thought was gonna land differently and you're just like, no. And they just, they need good gays in their lives and good fabulous women. Yes. And also, I originally when I created the Housewife Consultant side business for only

Christian Service Hours, I- Was Jesus Judges your first client? I have helped her. She needs it. I helped Alexis Bellino before she got the boot. I was giving her lots. I think I was giving her very good advice. And I actually told her to tell Alex Baskin,

I said, you need to say that, you know, at one time you are so positive and now that you and John are together, this is Real House, and that you're going forward in your relationship, that when you come back on the show, you wanna prove that you and Shannon can be friends and maybe even like double date one day. Like, why is that so unheard of?

Like, you know, this was all just, can be cleaned up now or whatever. And she was like, what, I can't say that. Whatever, whatever. But I was just trying to, because I was like, I really wanted her to come back. I really did. I wanted to see the wedding.

I wanted to see Tamara as a bridesmaid at six years old or whatever, which is all great. I wanted to see Heather DeBrow attempt to sing again like she did at Tamara's wedding. I wanted to see one of the other housewives officiate it. I wanted to see- Vicki should officiate. Yeah, I wanted the whole season to be

if Shannon was gonna attend or not. Yeah, but she came in too strong swinging, rubbing it in Shannon's face. Totally. And like, that's not a storyline like, you know, the female audience wants to watch, like the bitchy new girlfriend rubbing it in Shannon's face. And that's not a storyline the female audience wants to watch. The bitchy new girlfriend rubbing it in. That's never going to win with its audience. But tell me how you give it.

Let's go back a little bit about yourself. So when did you become such an expert of figuring this out? Because myself, my husband is very good at it. But he's excited to get the book and he had some questions, too. But without my husband, I don't even know that I ever would have figured done anything. I probably would have just always just called an airline and just said, get me a ticket to Phoenix or whatever.

I or you know, went online and I don't even know because it all seems so confusing. It is. It's like learning a language. I actually learned in the 90s. So I'm 41. So when I was eight or nine years old, I got Prodigy Internet. I was like the hacker in my family.

I'm one of four kids, middle-class family, grew up outside of Philly. And I remember installing the modem in my computer, putting the phone line in, waiting to connect to the internet. So I became the little hacker of our family and my dad, he had gotten a job working from home for a startup actually based in Chatsworth, California. And so he had to travel from Philly to California every other week. And he challenged me. He was like, I need to book my own flights. And this is 1995 when Travelocity just launched. So I was his travel agent.

I was 12 years old. That is the cutest story ever. Booking his flights. And he would pay me $10 per flight because he thought I'd have to take like an hour to do it. Meanwhile, it was like 10 seconds. He didn't realize how easy it was. So it was a very lucrative gig for a 12-year-old. And so I was booking 10 seconds. He didn't realize how easy it was. So it was a very lucrative gig for a 12 year old.

And so I was booking his travel. I just, like a little gay boy, you know, in the closet, like I always just wanted to live this fabulous life. Like I always knew suburbia was not for me. And I was always jealous of my friends, like the wealthy friends who would go to Europe and you know, my family, we were very, like I'm one of four kids.

So like we would drive to the, you know, outerer Banks or Maine for, like, a lake vacation, but my parents were not, like, the fancy jet setters. Well, I also just think it's, like, either that's your vibe as a family or it's not, or you're very comfortable with going. I remember Phil Rosenfeld, who created Everyone Loves Raymond. And now he has a show or did, you know, where he goes around and tries food

of all different countries and it's a travel show. And he came on and he's like, you know, here I am working with Ray Romano. We created this show, Everyone Loves Raymond. And he'd be like, what are you doing on the summer break? And he'd be like, oh, we're just going to Jersey, to the Jersey Shore. And he's like, you never want to do anything different?

And Ray's like, no. And he's like, no, you really should. So then they actually wrote a whole episode where they go to Italy for the first time. And even for Ray, who certainly had the money, certainly had somebody who could plan out the trip. I think sometimes for people, it just seems overwhelming. And I went to Europe for the first time,

and it was almost like a panic where I felt like, if I keep putting this off, I'm gonna be not being able to walk around. What am I doing? My kids are older. It's time that I go and explore and and do these things. But I just, it does seem overwhelming to like book it and know that you're getting the best price and okay, so you're this kid and you start doing this. Twelve year old and then one day-

Do you take on any other clock that's at 12? And funny, my other job was, I was on the AOL classifieds. eBay had just launched and eBay was so popular that thrift shops, which is what it was made for originally, they couldn't upload because the servers were slammed during the day. So when I was 12 at night, these thrift shops would send me lists of what they wanted to list on this new marketplace. In the middle of the night as a 12-year-old, I would upload because that's the only time the servers were free.

So I was like a little entrepreneur in the 90s. So yeah, my dad one day was like, we have all these frequent flyer miles. If you can figure out how to use them, we can go on a trip. And I had just read The Firm by John Grisham and they were in the Cayman Islands. And as this overactive imagination kid who wanted to explore the world, I figured out I called American Airlines and US Airways and I flew my mom and I on American miles, my dad and three siblings, and Verbo Vacation Runtals my owner had just launched as well.

That was the first marketplace where you could rent someone's vacation house. We rented for $1,500 this two-bedroom, cute bungalow on the beach in Grand Cayman in this rum point, this beautiful secluded part of the island. And speaking of Jersey Shore, growing up in the Philly suburbs, everyone went to the Jersey Shore. And it was expensive. It was like 10 grand. Like, you know, rental homes there are real.

It's almost as expensive as the Hamptons, but you don't realize. And so we went to the Cayman Islands for less than $2,000, all six of us, free on points. We rented this house, and I talk about it in the book. What number of are you in the family? I'm the third of four kids, so I have two older brothers and a younger sister.

Okay, so when you brought everyone to the Cayman Islands, was it just like Brian is the greatest? Like did you suddenly, were you suddenly the favorite child and the favorite sibling all in one fell swoop? Yeah, well so the night before we left I had my first, I was in my bunk bed and I had a full-blown anxiety attack. I remember so vividly sitting there like, my hands were in my armpits, like, am I going to get grounded?

Like, what did I just do? Like, this is 1996 now. And you're 12. I'm 12. And true story, I told my dad, I was like, we're going to Grand Cayman, but he thought I said Grand Canyon. And back in those days, you didn't even get email receipts. So the tickets come in the mail, and he's like,

Owen Roberts International. He's like, where the hell are we going? We didn't even have passports. Back then, you didn't need a passport to go to the Caribbean. And he's like, I remember him going, Brian, what the hell are the Cayman Islands? He's like, are there hospitals? I remember he panicked.

He's like, what if we get sick? And so they basically trusted me at age 12 to book the trip. And I remember going through the airport cause my, my dad and brothers got there first and I was like, either he's gonna be furious or like, and I walked through, we go through immigration and he just like gave me the biggest bear hug. And he was like, you nailed it. And it was like the most epic trip. We were, there were six of us in this two bedroom.

We're like all sleeping on sofas and stuff, but we were on the beach and in the Cayman islands where we just snorkel all day. We all got sunburned. We would play cards at night. Like to this day is like one of the most amazing trips we've ever had. And, and I pushed parents today. I've talked to a lot of parents of teens, like give your kids responsibility for the family trip, like allow them to like start planning even just a day.

You know, you all need to figure out what the tours are, where we're going, do the research, set a budget, figure out the restaurants. And even if it fails and it's miserable, I firmly believe like being given that responsibility to help plan the trip, like taught me so much, like never in a and it's miserable. I firmly believe being given that responsibility to help plan the trip taught me so much. Never in a million years did I think I would create a little empire out of points and travel, but I do think getting that responsibility

set the groundwork. I love it, because I've seen people show TikToks of their child, or they have a group, they have a family trip, and each person does a like a little presentation of where they want the family to go, you know, the parents are paying, but like it's that same type of thing.

And why? Like bows on the housewives. Her daughter has to like do a PowerPoint. I love that. I love that. Instead of just creating spoiled kids, you know, you roll out the right carpet. Yeah, like what museum are you interested in?

Totally. Why? Like why don't you look up what would be a cool, or why not take the train from one country to the next? You figure out the cool train that I see on this TikTok, tell me where that train is, how to get the tickets, what the best route to go, like all that kind of stuff. So that, I love that idea.

So that like, so in the 90s, my dad and I, and then every year, so he traveled a lot for work, he'd miss my basketball games, I was terrible at basketball, so it was probably a good thing. I was like, but I'm six foot seven, so my dad was always just, he's like, I'm the tallest in the family, I was terrible at basketball.

But every year we would go to Barbados, Caymans, it was like, so we were doing this points thing in the 90s, like I didn't even know that other people were doing this. And then it wasn't until like the early 2000s I went to college, I was student body president, and I studied abroad in Madrid. Where'd you go to college? University of Pittsburgh.

So I studied Spanish. I like, I just always knew I wanted to be rich. So you're fluent. I mean, I'm not fully fluent. So I studied abroad in Madrid for six weeks. And so it was not enough to really pick up the language. And true story, I almost failed study abroad, which is very challenging to do.

Like study abroad, you just- It's supposed to be kind of easy, right? It's so easy, but have you been to Madrid? No. Spain, I mean, Spaniards know how to live. And they eat dinner at 11 p.m. That you go out to the club in Madrid at like one or two, and then you close it down at 6 a.m.

And then what do you do? Do you sleep all day? Basically, and then they go into work at 10, then they have a siesta in the afternoon. But I had all these field trips for my study abroad program. I missed every single one because I'm coming home at six in the morning.

So I almost- Honestly, that makes me not want to go to Spain. Well, I mean- Like, not that I'm doing nightclubs at this point in my life, but like that whenever I've heard that or about Ibiza or whatever. I'm always like, oh I like the Palm Springs lifestyle of eating it like 530 for sure and Ibiza I just went this year and I think it's like Spain

I mean every destination like you can go to Mykonos and just do beautiful spa relaxing. You can miss but um, but I really caught the bug in You can make, but I really caught the bug in college, and then I had miles of my own, and then I realized there was this whole underworld of people. So there's this frequent flyer community. So I discovered it in 2004. It was a website called Flyer Talk.

So it was basically Reddit, but for these frequent flyers. And it was a moment where you realize like there's alien life out there because there were all these people doing what my dad and I had done,, people maximizing these airline programs to get the most value out of them. So I realized, oh my God, there's a whole community of people. I became really engrossed in this world.

And then it would- Do you ever fear that by cracking the code and sharing it that they'll change it? For sure. I mean, and so when I started the Points Guy in 2010, like that community did not like, there were other bloggers out there, but I took this hobby.

And I mean, the Points Guy, it started off small, but it took off pretty quickly. I mean, we have now, you know, well over 150 employees, like 10 million people a month are reading the site plus millions more in social. So I took like this little community. And what is the name of your thing? Is it just the points guy?

The points guy is the website, yeah. It's a website. And you have 150 people working on the website. Yeah, so we're one of the top travel websites in the world for content. If you Google anything travel related, or bread and butter, how I made money off of it is credit cards.

Because the best way to get points is credit cards. In the US, there's like 15 top banks, Chase, Amex, Capital One, Wells Fargo. They'll give you tons of points to get a credit card. Then they all have bonuses. You can earn points on rent now. Anyone listening, if you are paying rent, there's a credit call called BILT, B-I-L-T, no annual fee. You earn points on rent and there is no fee to pay your landlord. Even if your landlord wants a check or a direct deposit, you will earn points. So this doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. Like the US is the global epicenter of points and credit cards. So I was writing about credit cards and a friend of mine from college was like, you should be using affiliate marketing and in 2011 affiliate marketing was kind of I was like this sounds shady. This is scammy and

But I realized like because my audience I was naturally writing about credit cards Right went from you know, it's making like a couple hundred dollars a month in Google, you know ad sense You know and then with affiliate marketing I made a million dollars in six months. It was like wild. Because you had ads of hotels and stuff being part of your website? No, so it wasn't even ads, it was just links. So I would say the Amex Platinum

is the best credit card for Delta. And so then the New York Times wrote an article about me, which in 2011 shot my SEO ranking through the roof. I didn't know what was happening at the time. I'm working at Morgan Stanley. I'm like an HR recruiter, college recruiter. So my job was like going to college campuses. I'm making 70,000 a year,

like basically living paycheck to paycheck. But at that job, I figured out how to use my corporate AMEX because Morgan Stanley would pay it and I would get all the points. So I was broke as hell. Like I would leave New York on the weekends because I couldn't afford to pay dinner. Like when you go out for a friend's birthday

and everyone's like, okay, everyone throw your card in. Like I was broke. So I would leave, fly first class somewhere and I would get upgrades, I would get free breakfast. It was cheaper for me to fly first class around the world and stay in hotels than to stay in New York City on a weekend. Question, bringing it back to Housewives.

What did you think in the Real Housewives of New York when Jessel's husband said, I fly to Vietnam just to get a sandwich, and they all insinuated that he might have had a Vietnam girlfriend, boyfriend, who knows what, besides an egg roll or whatever? So justice for Povit. I'm actually friends with Povit and Jessel now. They came to my book launch because when that episode came out, I am so culturally inept

because I never watch movies on planes ever. I don't go to the movie theaters. What do you do on planes? I'm housewives because I don't have time usually when I'm home. On my computer, I will buy the 299 episode and I will always have all the Housewives episodes. That is my time on a plane. I just catch up.

I will say, I want to say, because I'm flying to New York tomorrow, and I find that the five hours go by quicker if you watch a series, whatever that is, with a lot of episodes, 45 minutes to an hour, versus two movies. For sure. Even if they're good movies. For sure.

Even if they're good movies, I don't know. There's something about them starting another movie. But if I'm just watching Veep or 30 Rock, to the next one, to the next one, next thing I know it's like. For me that's just house. I get so much joyed of having my house-wise moment. No distractions.

Okay, get back to the pavits. So anyway, the internet is like, points guy, points guy, we need you to weigh in. Like. Yeah. And justice for him. So what he was doing was called mileage running and to get elite status. And so he got a mistake fair to Vietnam

and he was going to get frequent flyer miles. He's flying first class on Cathay, which is an amazing airline, like fully, he's not there for sex tourism. And Sai and the Bozos were just, were being completely out of line. And also, I mean, he has two, you know, his twin boys that are little. Twin boys, a beautiful wife.

But also, it's a chance to get away. It's a chance to just have a hotel room by yourself and the plane ride by yourself. Like, for some people, that is luxurious, you know? And most people, and why I wrote the book, and in the book I say we're in the platinum age of travel because yes, in economy, it sucks. Don't get me wrong, back in the day it was nicer in economy. But what people don't realize in the golden age of travel, economy was more expensive than first class today and only rich people could fly back in the

day. Nowadays- That's why they were all dressed up? Yeah, that's why they're all dressed up, but like it was expensive, it was dangerous. There used to be hijackings. This notion that the best days of travel are behind us is false. What you're looking at now, if you know how to fly in the front of the plane, like what Povit was doing, you're getting Krug caviar, you're getting weighted on, and you have a lifelap bed, and you can get tipsy, watch your show, sleep,

and then you wake up in Asia. Like it's actually enjoyable to travel. Like people in this points game, like flying to Vietnam, most people are like, that sounds horrible. The only reason you'd want to go is to have, you know, sex with a prostitute. But it's actually people in the points world.

So I'm watching that episode. I'm like, oh my God, my blood is boiling because these idiot women are just being shady and they don't even know what they're talking about. So I chime in and episode. I'm like, oh my God, my blood is boiling because these idiot women are just being shady and they don't even know what they're talking about. So I chime in and then Jessel's like, thank you. And Povit starts sharing it. And Povit's a great guy. So total team Povit there.

And it's very normal for people to do that in this mileage world that we live in. So now you're working on your website. It's growing. You're a single guy. You still have your regular job. Yep. But then the New York Times writes this article. And what I'll tell to any of the entrepreneurs out there, always check your spam inbox. So I had started the points guy. I'm working at Morgan Stanley. I'm like blogging for fun, but not making any money.

I'm like $200 in the Google ads. I get into affiliate marketing, which seems scammy, but all I had to do, I was writing about credit cards anyway. You know, what's the best credit card for United? And I would just do analysis of which card, but instead of linking directly to Chase or Amex, I was just using affiliate links. And so boom, all of a sudden I start making money from the site. I quit my job at Morgan, and just the site starts like growing like crazy because, Oh, back to the spam inbox. I was going through my email and a reporter for the New York times had emailed me and it sat in my spam box for a month. And it was New York times interview requests. And I remember exactly the exact time and location. When I opened that, I was like, this is huge. And I realized I met with the

reporter because there were people had, there were like frequent flyer miles are useless black updates, but I met with him and showed him and he had a girlfriend in Brazil and I showed him how to use his frequent flyer miles to go see his girlfriend. He surprised her and he's like not making a lot of money. And he, his mind was blown. He's like, you just showed me how I can visit my girlfriend when I didn't have it in my budget. So he ends up writing an article.

It's like the points guy website is gold. It links to the points got this tiny little blog. But then Google then sees this blog getting linked to by the New York times. And so from that point forward, it was like a rocket ship. Cause then my traffic, you would search for the Amex platinum and the points guy will come up before Amex. So then also I just start making money.

And then I realized using media, because most travel bloggers are very awkward individuals there, um, there's not very many charismatic of the original points blogger, so I'm like, let me be this, you know, hip tuned into pop culture, like show me actually traveling on planes. And kind of create a lifestyle around it that I think people aspire to. And instead of me just like being like ultra filtered picture in first class, it's here's me flying first class and here's how you transfer your Amex to Emirates to fly on your dream trip.

Like I want to bring people along for the ride and back to your point about the community hating me sharing secrets. They do, but like my millions and millions of fans get to live incredible lives. When people come up to me in the airport, it's never to ask me a question. People hug me and they're like, you helped me take that trip to Hawaii. Or I got to take my kids to Cabo, I lost my job,

but we still, to me that's like, I firmly believe I have the best job in the world. Okay, so now cut to, you're living the high life, you're, people wanna be your friend. Where do you go from that to then deciding I wanna be a single dad and not try to find a partner? Well, so I was, so I always wanted to be a dad. I mean, my life was wild.

Like when I was 28, when I left Morgan Stanley, I then a publicly traded company comes in to buy my life was wild. Like when I was 28, when I left Morgan Stanley, I then a publicly traded company comes in to buy my blog in 2012. So I went from making 70,000 a year, I had this like, you know, almost $30 million offer to buy my little blog after a year and a half. So it's like, it was like winning the lottery.

And I get to travel. So you sold it. So I sold it, but they were like, you know, I'm 28, they were like, and I'm the points guy. So they were like, you have to still run it. I had a three and a half year deal. But then the site just keeps growing and growing. I'm doing press and media.

So they re-up my contract. They're like, just keep doing what you're doing. We're, I mean, the business is gangbusters because, you know, I have a team of writers, but we're now like becoming, we were essentially the top credit card website in America for getting. What was your major in college? Spanish and a minor in economics. So it's like.

So you weren't a business major, but yeah. But I had business internships. I was student body president. And for anyone listening with kids in college, we're all, I think, as a society, obsessed with grades and testing and scores. But student government and learning how to be a leader.

I was campaigning. I joined a fraternity. I was the big man on campus. But those skill sets, far and away, set me up to succeed and move to New York. I worked in fashion, ended up at Morgan Stanley, and then started my own thing. So I actually had a 2.8 when I graduated college,

because I never went to class. But I was running a student government board, traveling, and kind of learning how to connect with people, which I think has paid off more than Roman philosophy or astronomy classes that I didn't like. So now you have a couple bucks, but you still get to do your work and your fun. And so how did you get to, okay, I'm ready to start a family on my own?

So I'm one of four kids. My mom's one of 10. So big Irish Catholic family. Long Island. Oh, my dad's from Long Island, Long Beach, Long Island. Yeah, both my parents. My mom was born in Garden City, Floral Park, like big Irish Catholic, middle class family. I have three siblings, they have 11 kids.

So like, just like, and I grew up in chaos. I don't know how many cousins I have. I think there's like 38 on my mom's side, but like family events were just chaos. Like, and I loved it. I had a really, so like, I think that's ingrained in me to have kids. But I'm in my 20s, 30s, building this website, traveling the world, I was dating people,

but didn't find the right one. I actually, business is good, I'm in my late 30s, I proposed to someone after like nine months. He was really fun, he was not meant to be my husband, and then the pandemic hits. So it was the week the world was closing down and I just remember thinking, I was like, I don't want him to quarantine with me.

So I was like, let me call off this wedding. Wait, that is why? Well, there was a lot more going on behind the scenes, but like the pandemic, it was like that do or die moment. I remember like New York shutting down. I remember thinking that bridges are gonna close. And I was like, I really don't want him locked in a house. But you hadn't called off the wedding yet.

So this was the do or die moment, really. Everything was great until I proposed. And then things started to like chatter behind the scenes. So the pandemic, I'm one of those people. It was like the best thing to ever happen to me because I couldn't travel. I was like traveling nonstop, partying. Like the pandemic for me was like pause,

called off my wedding, didn't travel, reconnected with my family. I have a farm now in New Hope, Pennsylvania, which is like the new hotspot. Like the Hadids lived there, Bradley Cooper, Taylor Swift just bought a farm in the area. So it's like this beautiful little farm town outside. I'm gonna interrupt for one minute What is your prediction for Taylor and Travis? So here's my prediction we're getting back to that story I need to you know off the record they deny buying a farm in New Hope where you know

It's like and I might might think is that I think she's like pregnant or will be pregnant. I think they may just like I think she's going to want to have kids and I think they're going to like she's going to have kids stay with him. Well then I don't know that you saw our girls post recently. Claudia, Claudia from the toast. What did she say? She said, Do you think it's possible that Taylor has gotten the ick from Travis, you

know, after he lost the game and dropped the ball and was wearing his cheesy outfit and like strutting around like a housewife that's, you know, looking her runes. And what do you think? And then Paige DeSorba wrote, yes, or something. Now I have said, there's been moments where I'm like, she might, I was afraid she'd get the ick once he kept trying to sing and get on stage. Yeah.

And since she didn't get the ick then, I don't think she's going to get the ick because he lost a game. And I think for her, the last thing is having kids. All of her best friends have beautiful, gorgeous kids. Like, I think she's probably just like, his genes are good. I've got everything. I, but I disagree.

I think she is that I got everything traditional girl, and I do think she wants to be married before pregnant, or at least engaged before pregnant. Yeah. I just think that she wants that. Yeah. And I said, if he doesn't ask her by April, I have no hope for this relationship.

Yeah. But you said you if he doesn't ask her by April, I have no hope for this relationship. Yeah. But you said you think they already have this farm. I could see them. Like, she has a surrogate somewhere, and like one day she's going to have a kid, and they bought this farm near Gigi, and all of these other people are raising kids

in this beautiful area. Like, I don't know, could that? I mean, that's just like my, you know, thoughts on it. Cause she's conquered the world. I mean, and I think she sees it with all of her best friends and their young kids. Like, you know, having kids is it. Like that's- She might want to be like a trad wife.

Yeah. You never know. Make your own bread and butter. And she's from PA, you know, grazing kids in this like area, not far from where she grew up on her Christmas tree farm. So you have your fabulous place, you have your money, you're still working, you're single. Yeah, but the 2020 hits, not traveling, kind of had an existential. But I was like, I've always wanted to have kids, I have the money, I know I'm going to

be a good dad. And so I start the process of finding surrogate, I do the whole process on my own during the pandemic at an egg donor. Was that difficult to find the right surrogate. I do the whole process on my own during the pandemic at an egg donor. Was that difficult to find the right surrogate and the right egg? You know, surrogates, the surrogates were in such, are still in high demand. So the traditional surrogacy agencies have like two, three year waits. And so luckily for me through social media, there's, I was like posting, I think it was like in a press interview, I was like, I want to have kids. So a surrogacy agency, Elevate,

who's done a lot of celebrity, they LGBT owned, these guys are fans of mine, they're points people, and they're like, oh, we have this amazing agency and we actually have this incredible surrogate we think you'd be perfect for. So it kind of out of the blue. And was this the first time she'd ever done it? No, it was, so she was the golden possible.

So it was her third time doing it. So you want someone who's done it before. She was in California, which is a very- And you want someone who did it before, just because they understand that, you know, that they are carrying this baby and there shouldn't be a tie and they're not gonna have a problem with-

Yep. So when you're looking for a surrogate, you want someone with a stable family because stress, like you don't want someone who's really going through hard times or doing it for the money or stress and this and that like, and you know, this is, she was in California, which is very strong as a single gay dad.

I have friends who have done this in Kansas and other states where all takes as one clerk to screw up the birth certificate. So she was California, she had done it before, she's a lesbian, married, kids of her own, amazing, we connected. And she's just someone who loves being pregnant. Loves it, and she was a nurse assistant and doing surrogacy, she made enough money,

she put herself through nursing school, now she's a full-time nurse and has kids of her own. So, but at the end of the day, surrogates are doing something, because a lot of people love being pregnant. And so she was just like the most incredible surrogate. I got very lucky. I transferred one embryo. My son, he came October of 22,

like changed my life. He's the cutest Dean. He's been to 16 countries in two years. He's just like the joy of my life. So when I see you traveling with him and you're like in the little pod of the first class and everything, there's gotta be at least one person with you to film and help. Yeah. So I have, being a single dad who works, I do rotational nannies. So I have two full-time nannies that work for me and they just, basically two weeks on, two weeks off.

So seven days a week, they live with me. My parents will take my son one, usually like one day a week, so the nanny gets time off, but they work 26 weeks a year, and they make full-time salary, so they basically switch on and off. And how did you figure out that, Ruchita? I've never heard of that before. Yeah, so I hadn't, so originally I had a night nurse,

and then I just figured it out. So I had part-time, you know, nannies, but it's just the scheduling of it because last minute I need to travel. And they, so yeah, they have to come. And these, so I basically, there are agencies out there who specialize in like celebrity families, like entrepreneur families

where you're on the road, jet setting. So these generally are, you know, they're called career nannies. They're most, you know, college degree and education. A lot of them were teachers and you can make double what a teacher makes doing this and you get to travel the world. So I treat my nannies like gold.

They fly first class with me. I get them massages. Like I, you know, that's, you know, you got to take care of the people who are taking care of your kids. Of course, yeah. So yeah, so I, and then I found out about rotational nannies and to me I'm like, this is perfect,

because during the week I'm in New York City a lot, I'm on my farm, I'm traveling, like, trying to do a weekly schedule in advance is just like chaos. Right, that is true. So yeah, these rotational. Yeah, because you can't have them like, I got a 1.6 to be with my, yeah.

Yeah. So, okay, so then, and then when did you can't have them like, I got a 6 to be with my, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so then, and then when did you decide to have another? So, you know, I was like, let me just have my son, Dean. Traveling the world with him has been amazing. I mean, fatherhood, I mean, parents, you get it. There's just nothing like your child, you know, it's challenging, but seeing him grow. And then me having three siblings and just big family, I'm like, yes, it would be easy to have an only child, you know, it's challenging, but like seeing him grow. And then me having three siblings and just big family, I'm like, yes, it would

be easy to have an only child, but like I knew I had one other boy embryo and I'm like, me and my brother are two years different. So I was like, let me just try. And it worked. So Cooper Kelly came into the world in December and my son Dean is like obsessed with his brother kisses his head. Like, so I'm so excited now to see them. I wait till three months to start traveling,

but I think Cooper's, I'm gonna take them to Thailand for the month of April, since I haven't really had a paternity with launching this book six weeks after. So, but yeah, it's been just like. And what do you love about Thailand? I haven't been in years, but Thailand will be one of the biggest destinations

because White Lotus just filmed there, so that's coming out. So it's similar to what Leitis did for Sicily. Thailand is a huge destination, but everyone's gonna see the beauty of it. I mean, it's stunning. The beaches, the culture. And is it a good deal?

It's a good, once you get there, everything is, the hotels, Thailand is, Bangkok is the there, like everything is, the hotels, like Thailand is, Bangkok is like the hotel capital of the world. And it's probably like half as expensive as Italy in the summer. And I think people are just getting so sick of paying like 2000, $3,000 a night for a hotel.

And especially like going to Italy in August, it's like sweltering, it's crowded, it's hot. Like I think people are now starting to think, okay, and I push people in the book, don't just go to where everyone else is going. Thailand's far, but especially if you use points, you can fly through the Middle East on Emirates or Qatar Airways.

I highly recommend you can fly, well, I mean, from LA you probably wanna go through. Tell me how to get there from LA. From LA, I think going, well, and you can do stopovers. So when you use frequent flyer miles, a lot of the airlines, you could fly to Japan, stop for four days, get a full Tokyo experience, and then, you know, Tokyo to Thailand's, I still think,

like seven hours on a flight, but it breaks it up. But I think the quickest way, they don't have non-stops LA to Bangkok, but going through Hong Kong, Cathay's an amazing airline per povet. But using frequent flyer miles. And then where will you stay? Will you get a house? I will get a house because I have two kids,

nannies and stuff. But like the Four Seasons, that's where they filled Four Seasons, Cosomoi. I might do hotels. Being in travel, I usually get hooked up at hotels, but it's a whole different ballgame now, I'm needing multiple rooms, and that gets expensive really quickly.

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Most people don't want to open up a Cathay Pacific account and learn how to use their award chart. There's a website called point.me, And it's basically like Google Flights. It'll tell you there's open flights to fly through Seoul or Tokyo, and it does all the heavy lifting for you. And if you have an Amex card, you go to Point.me slash Amex, and it's free to use this tool. And it'll give you live availability on all the partners. And that's where you can get an amazing value for your points

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my points guy. Which cards currently have the best welcome offers? Yes, so there are the cards that I really recommend. The Capital One Venture X is really good. And here's a tip. So you know, a lot of times you can refer people. So if you have an Amex card or anyone you know has like an Amex, the Amex Gold card is where it's at.

Everyone thinks Platinum. But Platinum, you know, it's good for getting in the lounges, but the Amex Gold gets four points per dollar on dining and groceries, which like most families, we spend a lot of money. So my tip is I get the credit cards, like built will give you points on rent. So if you're renting, get a bill card.

But Amex Gold is 4X on dining and groceries. And when you think about how much you spend in those categories, earning four points per dollar, that's how you keep the points rolling in. So many people I know will be like, look, I've got my Amex Platinum, and you're paying for dinner. And I'm like, you're earning one point with that gold card. And so Capital One Chase Sapphire Reserve.

So I would say Chase Sapphire Reserve, Capital One Venture X, Amex Gold and Bilt are the core cards that are no- no brainers. And what about your credit score? Do you have to have a certain high credit score to get these great cards? So in the book I talk about this because credit cards will open up. It's so lucrative. I mean, in the US you can literally get 100,000 points, $1,000 just for getting a credit card.

And what most people don't realize is getting, so you need to be able to pay your bills off in full every month. So if you're paying 20% interest, you're losing the value of all those points. So to play this points game, I wanna be very clear. You have to, just like if you're using cash, pay it off in full every month, avoid paying interest. But your credit, generally the credit score is out of 850.

And if you have over 700, you'll get most of these cards, and as long as you don't have any negative, like, missed bills. But the more credit cards you get, the more available credit you have, and the less you're using, your score actually goes up. I have 28 credit cards, I've got an 810. I mean, anything above 750, it doesn't really matter.

And you bring all your cards with you in a thing? I've got my George Costanza wallet. I actually have a Gucci passport with 20 card slots. I got it at duty free once. So I have my credit card. I don't travel with them. I only use five. For dining, I use one card.

But I have, in the book, I talk about points are one thing, and points are really valuable, but also perks. Perks, I cannot stress enough to people. So lounge access, but when airlines cancel your flights, airlines are cheap and they don't owe you money. That's what people don't realize. There are no passenger rights in America. Unlike Europe, if you're canceled, they owe you 300 euros.

So there's, but in the US it's like, screw off. You're gonna refund maybe in six weeks, but a lot of credit cards what people don't realize if you use the right credit card, like an Amex Platinum, the Chase Sapphire, if your flight's delayed six hours, immediately you get $500 a person to spend at restaurants. You can take your family to a resort down the road

for a 10 hour delay and be spending and getting meals all paid for by your credit card company. Don't wait in line for a Motel 6 voucher from an angry American Airlines agent when your credit card will pay to put you up in a suite at the Westin at the airport. So if I was in that situation and I know I bought my card with whatever, my United,

and they're like, sorry, it's been canceled, there's some crazy thing going on, even if it's weather, whatever. So then I call the 1-800 number and I say, and then they look it up and they're like, okay, go ahead. Yeah. So there's usually it's like six hour delay or some credit cards have a 12 hour or cancellation where you have to spend the night.

It depends on the card and everyone listening, you can Google your credit card that you have and it's called flight delay and cancellation coverage and you just keep your receipt. You don't even need to call right then and there. You spend, put it on your credit card, put the hotel, the Ubers, and it says anything necessary. You can buy stuff at the store, makeup, deodorant, whatever, and you get reimbursed for it. You submit a claim and as long as the flight delay is corresponding to your coverage and they just reimburse you.

Same thing for, this is crazy, people don't realize if you buy gorgeous pair of sunglasses, you leave it at a hotel, or you drop them off the side of a boat, you're new. Within 90 days, almost anything, the credit card companies will give you it back. Even if you lose it, break it, it's stolen. It's called purchase protection. My son just took a Sharpie and drew all over a $1,300 Jonathan Adler chair I just bought. Instead of, I just called Capital One, filed a claim,

and they're sending me a brand new chair. Because you bought the chair with Capital One? Correct, purchase protection. And this is a game changer. I lost a Moncler jacket in Iceland once, I was filming. You just call up Amex, they just take it off your bill. It's crazy, and it's up to like $10,000 per occurrence. So this is-

Wow, I did not know that because I have lost and left things in hotels so much in all my years. And if you bought it within 90 days usually, or six months depending on the card, but your credit card will give you money for all of this. It's crazy. So even if, during COVID, if you got a villa and so many people that summer, you prepaid for villas in Europe.

I know so many people, you call up Chase and say, hey, technically it wasn't in policy, but it never hurts to ask. That's why these points people, and what I teach people, there's a whole chapter. When things go wrong with travel, flight delay, you show up to a hotel and they don't have your room. So the book is 15 chapters, but you can, you don't have to read it front to the back. There's a whole chapter on having kids. So everything I learned traveling with kids,

what airlines will let you bring a car seat, which ones won't, what your rights are. It's really a resource guide to give people. I saw a little video of a guy and you know, also they had the music going, but he had this little baggie and this single mom was, I mean, maybe she wasn't, she was a mom alone. She didn't have a partner with her and a baby and the baby's crying and stuff as they do on the plane.

And she had made these little baggies of treats with a little thing. I'm so sorry. It's our first time traveling. Maybe you could enjoy this. And so then he went up and just was like, I want you to know it's okay. And you know, anyone that's like that's life. Get your you know, there's babies and they deserve to be in first class and all that stuff of like, you know, baby adults only first class. I'm like, that's an impossible thing to do. By the way, I will die on this hill, in my millions of miles of travel,

the most annoying ass travelers hands down are drunk adults. Like I have been bothered more. I mean, I saw a grown man collapse. I'm a flight recently blackout. He was waiting for the bathroom, collapsed into this woman's like pod. I thought he was waiting for the bathroom, collapsed into this woman's pod. I thought he was gonna knock the screen out. Oh my God.

I mean, yes, babies cry, but put your headphones on. In the market, control what you can control. Put your noise canceling headphones on, read a book. Shit's gonna go wrong when traveling. It's your mentality. And so many people choose to lose and are harried and stressed. Actually, George Clooney gave both noise-canceling headphones to everyone on

his flight when he flew with his kid and like that's nice but you don't need to do that like there's so much like child shaming in America most other countries when you travel Europe is so much more child-friendly like you don't need to feel like you're doing something bad by traveling with a child like we were all children. I know that's so true. Now this is my biggest fear when I see this and that's when you see a video or you hear about how everyone has been trapped on the tarmac in the plane going on like six hours. Either they haven't never taken off or they landed and they couldn't get off.

Have you ever been in that situation? Yes, not six hours, but, you know, living in New York City, there's always delays, you're always gonna be taxiing for hours. But now there is a rule, like a three hour rule, so they have to go back to the gate. But three hours is a long time, which is why I tell people always bring snacks, always bring water, like, because some airlines are really naughty. Oh my God. Now I feel like we just one-on-one

and they don't even give you anything. So yeah, I think you got to have your water and the refill, all the refill places are great. It used to be such an expense. Bring a thermos. You'd be like, I'm not going to buy water. Yeah, you get a filtered water now. And bring the food. Bring some food. And even like the Wi-Fi is never going to work when you really need it.

Don't like always just prepare. You know, that's why I pay. I'm still so stupid with like iTunes, but I'll always have a library of shows on my laptop or iPad. So because even in first class, you're going to have this, you know, you're going to finally get up there and your screen's going to be broken. Right. So always plan for what you can control.

Yes. Yes, that's a good one. Is there a particular best time to apply for the popular travel credit cards based on offer history? Yeah, so a lot of the credit card companies will have limited time offers. You never really know when they're going to come and go. Also I recommend, so there's the pointsguy.com slash card match.

So there's a tool, like if you've never had an Amex card, Amex, the credit card companies are now doing more and more personalized like special offers. So they know if you have good credit, you've never had an Amex, they'll give you like 150,000, 250,000 points. So before you apply for like a public offer, always Google on the internet, just be like, what is the best offer on the Amex Platinum right now? This card match tool does not run your credit, but you can put in and see if there's any special offers.

So see if you've got any special targeted offers and even open up your snail mail from Amex or the others. Sometimes they'll send really rich to get you to get a credit card. Is there any kind of scam to be aware of or mistakes? So mistakes are, so a lot of times the credit card companies will send you, oh, upgrade to this card. And so the problem is if you upgrade,

usually they won't give you the big sign up bonus, like 100,000 points. But you can apply often as a new card holder for a credit card and get the sign up bonus. So don't, if you're listening to this and you're like, oh, I wanna get the MX Gold, let me just change my, you know, platinum to a gold sometimes, or if you had a green card,

it behooves you to like apply new for a gold card instead of just upgrading, cause you could forego that hundred thousand point signup bonus. So you know in the book I have a whole chapter on earning points. By the way credit cards are just one piece of this shopping portal. So if you never ever ever go directly to a retailer's website on the internet. So the airlines and credit cards have their own shopping portals where they'll give you extra miles.

You just click a link. So if you're going to to Saks, never go to Saks.com. You want to go there's a website cashbackmonitor.com. You'd put in Saks or whatever the retailer you're shopping at. It'll tell you all the airlines and credit cards or even cash back you can get for that purchase. You click through that shopping portal and then you get extra miles in addition to your credit card points. We call that double dipping. So for all your online shopping, all your back to school shopping, you could be getting tons, and sometimes it's even Apple purchases, six American Airlines miles per dollar spent

to get all your Apple products. So think about, you know, and those American Airlines miles are very valuable. So like there's all these different ways. If you take Uber, everyone listening, you should be getting free Marriott points. All you have to do is link your Marriott once to your Uber account. That's the top way I earn Marriott points.

So I get free hotel stays for the same exact Uber I would be doing, but you click once to attach your Marriott, and you'll have free points just rolling in after each ride. So besides being the special credit card person to get the upgrade at the hotel, is there any other thing to say or do to get that better room when you arrive? Well, the first thing you want to do is not book through online travel agencies.

So if you're booking through certain, you know, like the Expedia's of the world, they hate those bookings because they have to pay Expedia or the others a huge commission. So on a totem pole of guests staying, like you're at the bottom because when you book directly with the hotel,

they're making way more money off of you. You're a better client. So I'm not saying to never book on an OTA, but price check. And often the hotel won't booking direct will give you the same rate or better. And in that case, book direct with the hotel. Um, because if the hotel is sold out, they literally will walk those guests who booked through online travel agencies, give you the worst rooms.

This is the only exception to this is luxury hotels. So many people I know will say, Oh, I want to go to Four Seasons, Maui, you go to Four Seasons website. No, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Don't do that. You want to book luxury hotels through luxury travel agents because you're going to get way more perks than usually directly on the hotel website. And these luxury travel advisors are worth their weight in gold because they book tons of clients at these hotels. So think about

it. If it's your honeymoon or whatever, get a travel advisor. They're not going to charge you anything extra usually because they're getting the commission, but they will call that hotel. They will let them know it's your honeymoon. And if anything goes wrong at a hotel, you kind of have to go to the front desk. Hey, my room sucks. It's not really ocean view. If you booked directly at the hotel, they're like, well, sorry, that's what it is.

If you go to a top-notch travel advisor who books tons of clients at that hotel, those travel advisors, you better believe they pick up the phone, they're talking to the GM and they're like, if you don't take care of Heather and her family now, we're not going to send other people to you. So when you have the backing of a top notch advisor, Virtuoso is like the creme de la creme of travel advisors. Plus they can do so much for you. If your airlines screw up your travel advisors, you don't have to wait in the long line at the airport.

You can call your top travel agency, and they can rebook you on another partner, because they have full access to the airline. So even if you have to pay for the travel, if you're spending a lot of money on trips, safaris, Roar Africa is like the best safari agency. They will do everything for you, especially traveling within Africa.

Flights are canceled. They'll have people waiting in the airports for you if anything goes wrong. So, whereas I think a lot of people are like, travel agents are a dying breed, false. They're actually now more relevant than ever and getting good ones can totally elevate your trips, save you time and hassle, and they know the ins and outs.

And when anything goes wrong, you call them and they'll fix it in a heartbeat. Wow. Well, I love this. Now, are you looking for love or are you just full dad mode? I mean, are you guys into finding a built-in family or what have you found? I think a lot of guys want to have families, but I mean, it's stupidly expensive. I don't understand how, I mean, I'm very lucky I have, I've done well in life, but my God, like just the surrogacy, it's like 200K plus plus plus, and then kids.

So now, wait, did you use the same surrogacy, surrogate for the second child? So she, this was her third time doing it with me, and her wife at times was like, sorry, she's closed for business. And she was, she didn't want to do it again. So I found through Elevate, they got me an my, my second surrogate was a queen. She was actually a nurse practitioner in, in a neonatal NICU.

So she like takes care of babies for a living. She was the best surrogate. Um, we're super close. I was like, my son was born over the holidays. We were at her family's house. We're really tight. So I've had two amazing surrogates. They are angels on Earth. And then the egg donor was all from the one person.

Yeah, so I did a retrieval. So when I got my egg donor, I did a month's worth of eggs that we retrieved. And then I made embryos. So I had seven top notch embryos, like on ice right now, like I had two boys, use both of them and they worked, thank God, the first time each.

I was very fortunate. Dr. Donnishman is my IVF doctor in San Diego Fertility Clinic, the best. Like San Diego Fertility Clinic, Elevate Surrogacy Agency, they have been so amazing for me. And so how did you choose your surrogate? Not surrogate, sorry, how did you choose your egg donor? It was kind of fun.

I mean, I would, there's a lot of things you can look for, education. For me, it was like, I wanted healthy, and where possible, like, you know, mental illness, you try to, some people will list their health histories, like, I tried where possible to kind of weed that out because I see how challenging that is. And I do know that there is a lot of hereditary.

So if I'm gonna try to help my kids, so I was looking for like healthy, and they tell you their parents, their grandparents, how they died. But then I think, I mean, I want a beautiful and sort of kind of look like me, since my kids will be, I didn't want people to look at them and having them look so striking and be like,

oh, what's your mom? What's your dad? You know, like, so anyway. That's interesting, because my friend who, her son is 19. And so she was, it was called single mom by choice back then. And it was, you know, not as many people were doing. And I remember she said,

I chose a sperm donor who looked like me because I'm like, I have one, I'm gonna have one kid and I want the child to look like me. So. Yeah, I think it's natural. You kind of get protective when you're, so yeah, so, you know, she's beautiful, healthy. And at the end of the day, I just,

like you look at these profiles, you can sit there all day long, but I just went with my gut. I was like, she loved animals, rode horses, seemed cool. I was like, this is just someone I connect with. And did you, is it the same thing? Cause like my other friend like bought

the whole lot of the sperm. So were you able to have her then not donate anymore? No, so she had donated to others. I didn't, I don't know if you can like take them off the market. Oh. So I got like a month's worth. So I had like seven embryos, which

they say you want like three embryos for every child you want. And luckily for me, I had a high success. If you do genetic testing to the embryos, it increases your chance. Because they will actually rank all your embryos. They know how to see the healthiest ones. So I was able to use the very top-notch embryos,

which dramatically increases the approval rate when you know some embryos are just not meant to be vulnerable. So when you do the analysis. So yeah, so I have some other, I have other embryos on ice. We'll see. I'm very happy with my two boys, very busy.

I'm 41. But yeah, we'll see. I'm very happy with my two boys, very busy. I'm 41. But yeah, dating, it's just, I mean, with this book launch, two kids, it's hard to really create space. But I'm always open, we'll see. Yeah, probably gonna happen now that you're, you know it's always been a fish. But I find, I have had no trouble dating.

I find people, because I- But I'm saying the right one was gonna come when you're not even. Exactly. Where you're like, I don't even. Yeah. Or not, or maybe you don't. Maybe that you want to live that single life.

I think for all my friends that have gone through some horrific co-parenting, I've been saying for a long time, like Andy Cohen did it right. Yeah. Then when the love comes, the love comes. Then if it goes away, it's not taking your kid every other weekend. You know, it goes away, it's not taking your kid every other weekend. You know, it's like,

it's something to consider if you're at the place of making the choice to be a parent. Don't rush in and go, let's, I need a partner for this because I'm at this age or stage in life. Like, because it's a lot easier to get divorced than to co-parent with somebody. So I go to bed at like knowing my kids will always be mine, 100% nothing like that to me is like takes the stress out of being with someone

that you're rushing into. I avoided a near disaster. Yeah. So people are always like, you're so brave. I mean, I'm like, I just know I'm a good dad and I have great family, friends. It takes a village. I have great nannies. So I love the setup that I have. I have a good dad and I have great family, friends. It takes a village. I have great nannies.

So I love the setup that I have. I have zero, you know, I push people to, you know, a lot of people are successful, busy, you can't find the right spouse, but like wanna have kids. So I highly recommend. Yeah. I think if it's in your heart where you're like, my whole life, I knew, like,

I remember when I was just single and I'd like come home from like doing standup and I'd watch like reruns of Jerry Springer. And I remember just being in this bed. I had no boyfriend or nothing. I was like 27. And I was like, I know I want to be a mom. If I never meet somebody, I'm still going to be a mom. Like, and then there's other people that are like, I don't even know if I really want it. I'm like, that's a gift too. That's a gift. If you're not dying for it, then don't do it because you'll never know.

You'll never know what you're missing. And the thing when people go, what's the biggest thing? I go, the biggest thing is when you are a parent, you are going to worry about someone till the day you die. It'll never change. It'll go up and down, but it'll hit you or you'll see something and if you're not with your kid, or then you all of a sudden imagine the worst.

And that is what a non-parent will never experience. And that's good. Like that to me is the worst part. Of course there's all the great stuff, but the worst part is just that forever, there's just like, you know, there's always gonna be some anxiety if you're a parent. It's just an impossibility.

Now my boys are with me all the time. I haven't done school yet. So I'm like, and living in this happy bubble, they come with me wherever I go, we're on the farm. It's like, once they start like going in and like becoming friends, and then you just have to give up control where they're like, just hope they're making

good decisions, like that, but you know, parent, you just learn to deal with every phase of it, right? Every, everything. Like you can't prepare for it. And sometimes you're like, oh, I wish my kid was more social or less social, and then you see an awful thing that, a terrible thing happened at a high school party and you're like, well now I'm glad my kid

wasn't that social. Like it just is like, it's just, you know, but, but I do think it continues to get better. I mean, I, my kids are now grown and I, I love it. And I like, I. What was your favorite age? If you could choose like zero to 18. My dad always said his favorite was nine. And I think nine is a great age because I remember like sitting across from my son, like getting yogurt and it was like just the two of us.

And we were having such a fun conversation and like so they can like get their own shit together. They can take their own shower. They can pull their own suitcase. But then you can have this conversation and they're still into you and they still have to ask to do things. But of course, the cuddly wuddly kissy time is something that if someone said, could you, if you could jump back and have one day, oh, I'd want one to be like eight to 10 months. Yeah. And then I'd want the other one to be like three.

Three, yeah. Like I'd want to jump back to that time of when my kids are three years apart. So like that and like go to the park. Eight to 10 months, juicy. And like make the kid lunch and take the nap and like all of that stuff, you know? But it's exhausting too and I know that. The reason I think I don't remember a lot of it

is because it was like sleep deprived. And when I think about like coming home from like working on Chelsea lately and still having to do like homework, food, bedtime, make up a bedtime story, do the bathing and all that stuff. And then all of a sudden I got to a place where I was like, oh my God, I actually have the evening to myself.

That's like a weird thing too. I mean, I'm deep in that now. My two and a half year old, and he's, I'll make up a really creative story. And he's like, another, another. And I'm like, There were so many creative ones. I'm like, how many more? Why was I? And I'll say something I really creative story. And he's like, another, another. And I'm like, There were so many creative ones. I'm like, how many more?

Why was I? And I'll say something I said like a month ago. He's like, no, no, you told me that. I'm like, geez, I gotta really be creative here. He's like holding me accountable. I think you should, when you do it, you should like record them. Cause I wish I would have done it.

That's so true. Cause I feel like I came up with some really good ones. And not that I was, you know, need to do a children's book, but like there were some really fun creative ones. And then one day they just go to bed and they don't ask you for that. And at first it's like, oh my God, this is amazing. And then one day you're like, oh, that's over with now.

It's really, it's great though. I'm really happy for you. And I'm so excited to read the book. And I know my husband and I and my son is super into finance and money, and he's getting his own credit going and stuff. So I'm excited to share. So important for the parents out there with teens, get them started young.

Like I talk a lot about it in the book. But even just adding your child as an additional card holder on your credit, well, they can inherit your entire lifetime of good credit, which allows them to start setting their own, getting them their own card, making sure they're responsible. I made so many mistakes. I think a lot of young people do, because they're not taught this in school or, you know, I'm sure in your, in wealthy areas, kids are just giving credit cards and not really told how to responsibly use them. So I think credit education and setting your kids

up for success so that when they graduate college, they don't need you to co-sign. They understand how to pay bills. I think that is such a service to kids to give them the responsibility and not just have everything handed to them. Yeah, I love it. Well, thank you so much. Brian Kelly's book is How to Win at Travel.

Founder of the Points Guy. How do they follow you on Instagram and all that? So personally, I'm at Brian Kelly. So I share all my travels and tips. But the company is at the Points Guy. The Points Guy is our website. We have a daily. I write a weekly newsletter where we break down all the best

deals and tips. And then you're going to tell us when you get a glimpse of Taylor with a bump. Yeah. That's some a bump. Yeah. And. That's some juicy scoop. Yeah. All right, thank you.