Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Stagecoach and the Hilarious John Crist

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

I recap my wild Stagecoach experience and my thoughts on that scandalous leaked audio from Summer House. Then, I am joined by the hilarious John Crist for an incredibly open conversation about his rise as an internet sensation and his long-standing career in stand-up comedy. We dive deep into his unique upbringing as a pastor’s kid, how he successfully bridges the gap between Christianity and comedy, and the personal mistakes he made that led to a powerful journey of redemption. It is an honest, funny, and insightful look at his life today that you won't want to miss! -As an exclusive offer, new listeners can get their choice between chicken breast or top sirloin for a year OR ground beef for life, PLUS $20 off when you go to ButcherBox.com/juicyscoop  -Refresh your spring wardrobe with Quince. Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Quince.com/juicy⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠for free shipping and 365-day returns.  -If you’re ready to feel more rested, head to bioptimizers.com/juicyscoop and use my exclusive code JUICYSCOOP to get 15% off any order. -Go to ⁠⁠⁠RO.CO/JUICYSCOOP⁠⁠⁠ to see if you’re eligible for the new GLP-1 pill on Ro. -Treat yourself to the most advanced bras and shapewear on the market. Use our exclusive link to save 20% off Honeylove at honeylove.com/JUICY  Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heather McDonald has got the juices scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know she talks Hollywood Tales for real life, Mr. Sigmund serial data and serial sisters, you'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.

I have such a great interview for you guys today with the hilarious John Christ. He is so funny. And we also get into some heartfelt moment. So I know you guys are going to love it. And first, we tell you, yeah, I went to stagecoach. I had such a blast. I went with my girlfriend, Stacey. We met the first day of USC. So we had just such a fun girls weekend. And we went Friday. And we went at the golden hour. I had worn my boot barn outfit to a party before, took the photos that I needed, and then I switched out my shoes to tennis shoes. And it is a life changer for everyone. And I don't know how these girls did it like multiple days. I knew from the previous years. So in one of the photos, I showed my tennis shoes because I told you guys I was going to go tennis shoes. But then we stumbled

into a karaoke bar that I did not realize S-Y-R-N is, I guess it's pronounced siren, but it is the name of Sidney-Sweeney's lingerie brand and it was her pop-up, her thing. So I go, oh my God, it would be kind of great to do karaoke and get this on video. And I said, I'm sure the line is long. It wasn't. This is Friday. There was only like two people out of me. So yes, I did my classic Bonnie Raid, which for those of Juicy Scoopers, have been around forever. I even talk about it in my book. You'll never blue ball in this town again about what is the best karaoke song to sing. So I sang it and it was pretty fun. And then, you know, all, all comedians really want to be singers. I mean, Theo Vaughn got brought up on stage.

And then I was like, if I'm not going to be brought up on the actual stage code stage, I'm going to go and do my karaoke. But what happened is right before I about to go on, I told my friend, this is what sorority sisters do. I said, we have to switch out the shoes. Give me your boots. So when I go up on stage and you film it, I have a full Western outfit on. And that's, she took my ugly tennis shoes and I took her boots and it was all good. And then we switched him up and she said, you know, even for that three minutes of me filming you, I was like, wow, Heather's sneakers are really a dream. So the next day, we went to a fun party like at the, Tommy Bahamas Hotel right there in Palm Desert and had like barbecue, got this cute charm

necklace, look at the, uh, Stetson hats, did all the things. And then we went to the rodeo, which was really fun. And then I was like, okay, now we need to work the outfits around the tennis shoes again, which we did with jackets. And the wind was starting. And it was the first time I ever was smart about something. I was like, Stacy, I'm telling you, I think, the wind is going to get way worse and this just isn't fun let's go let's get out before everybody else we then start the trek she was wearing her tennis shoes too start the trek and it was like i've never experienced this kind of wind i thought i was on the moon if someone has ever gone there which we still don't know if they have but anyway i was on the moon i was trekking through and we're like oh my and i

said i don't even know like should we call the ubers what no let's just she said remember there were cabs let's we get a cab overcharged who cares got home, jumped in the shower, and then they said, we're evacuating the place. And then I was like, oh, my God, my juicy scoopers are going to be so worried about me that they were going to think that I didn't make it out in time. And I almost did a video just to say, you guys, I'm okay. And then I saw what was happening in D.C. And I was like, maybe I don't need to talk about.

How about right, you guys? I didn't get to see the whole concert, but I am safe. So then I, then they said, come on back. well, I don't know if you were probably half the people didn't come back. It was, but you know, you had to be safe. And then Sunday, I just didn't go. I watched a post Malone from my comfy couch. Anyway, it was really fun. It's a, it's a lot of walking, but it is a good time. So then over the weekend also, there was a summer house audio leak, which sounded like somebody just had their phone there and we heard a little bit of Sierra giving it to Amanda about her being a cheating hoey friend with West. And everybody was like,

did West do it? Did he leak it so that he could just get fired and have a big career as a podcaster? Like, what is it? And then today it came out that, you know, it was somebody from production. No shit. Of course it's someone from production. I knew right away. I'm like, it's coming from inside the house. And everyone's acting all angry. Oh, my God. If you're a Bravo content creator and you repost this leaked audio that they found on Reddit, oh, they'll never work with you. No, no, this is what they wanted, okay? It wasn't even that juicy.

We're all going to, the people that are interested are going to watch the reunion no matter what. And like, I believe all those reality producers are all over Reddit because I think anyone can write anything they want. And then they'll write something about one of the people in the cast. And then that person will be like, I can't believe. there's a rumor on the Reddit about so-and-so's husband cheating, and then now they've got something to work with on the show. That's my opinion. I think there's a ton of reality producers that are anonymous people on Reddit pages of their cast. Okay, that's my thing. All right, you guys, I'm very excited for you guys to enjoy this interview now. Let's go with John

Christ. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm so excited to have a new guest on Juicy Scoop, a hilarious comedian. I'm sure you're familiar with him. And if you're not, you're going to be in love. Because he is a hilarious delight. He's a Southern boy. He's a God-fearing man. And he can make fun of it all. John Christ, welcome to Juicy Scoot.

He finally did it. I think it was six years. I've been DMing you. Nothing, nothing raunchy. Just DMing you being like, you're hilarious. Come on my show. I love your videos, your stand-up, your take on life. I couldn't get out here. But I come out here a couple times a year, but we can never really make it work.

Yeah. And you have a bunch of shows this weekend out here, which is amazing. I loved the video that you did about how you got the nicknames of some of our cities here in Southern California. Is that correct? I have not. You haven't heard them. I haven't heard those exactly. I grew up in the valley.

And when I grew up in the valley, people were very snobby about the valley. Now they're not anymore because it's like everything's so expensive. but it used to be... The valley's better than it used to be? Yes. The valley's nice now. Yeah, like it used to be like, ooh, like when I went to USC, ooh, you live in the valley.

It's 10 degrees hotter there. Like, how can you handle life? And I was like, I don't know. I'm like, I'm doing pretty good. I had a nice pool and two parents and, like, went to Catholic school. Like, I feel like I'm killing the world. But is it as nice as important? Let me close my eyes and think if someone said they were from the valley,

if I would think they were, I think they were rich. Oh, okay. I feel like now, but that's not, yeah. It wasn't always like that. No, no, it was like the second, because Hollywood and Beverly Hills started and in the valley was where porn was. Oh, right, right, right. And you actually had to go and be filmed and on a VHS tape and go and rent it at a blockbuster. They had like an office.

You'd see porn stars at the coffee shop. You'd see, they were kind of faint. Like, it was sort of like, oh. Would that be better or worse to work at the office versus on the, A lot of them would get out of porn to become realtors. And then when the market dropped, they went back to being in porn. And they said porn was easier than holding an open house. And sadly, as a former realtor, as an emotional realtor, you get fucked over harder as a realtor than when you're actually getting paid to fuck.

Oh, yeah. No, the realtor, the realtor we have, we're looking for a house now. And it is, it, it, she knows what she's doing. But it's probably the same as Jerry Seinfeld said that. with comedy. Like, if anybody on the street wants to, they will introduce you with the same title that we have. Right, right.

Yes. Tonight. Right. Like, if you're a doctor, you want to become, have doctor in front of your name. It's going to take you 12 years. True. If you want comedian, they will introduce you tonight as our next comedian. You got the title day one.

That is so true. But that's real estate. Yeah. Is that everybody can just take that. You're like, I'm a real estate agent. and the people in Beverly Hills sell a billion dollars for the real estate and the guy in the valley. The only thing easier than becoming a comedian or a realtor is a podcaster. So everything I'm doing, everything I've done is been like literally anyone could do.

No barrier to entry. No, no. I did like what you said on last podcast about nobody cares about the plight of a comedian. Oh, thank you. I feel like we should all get. Unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately, yeah.

Nobody cares. Because to them it's still an easier job than roofing, you know, so shut up. And it is. It is. So it is. I wouldn't know how to do something. Yeah, every comedian movie is just so sad. The comedian is struggling.

Yes. His parents are estranged. His wife. That's why I didn't like that movie. I didn't even see it. But the plot was like, why does the comedian always have to be like a bummer of a guy? Yes. He's always so downtrodden and like everything else has gone terrible.

Right. And he's like, I guess comedy. And people would say like, oh my God, you're a comedian. You're like so happy and normal. I'm like, yeah, I actually had parents that said you should become a comedian. You're really funny. And they all saw me. You and Chris DeLea.

Yeah. Yeah. Was that the, I think that. Did he say, well, he came in. His dad was in the business. Yes. So when you're parents and also when you live here. here, it's not like I grew up here.

So it wasn't like this taboo thing to pursue the arts. It wasn't as horrible and depressing. There were as kids, though, you knew, like there were six-year-old kids that were like a lot of palates don't get picked up. Good luck, sugar. Yeah, yeah. You know, you're going to. No, you need to do. I think you need to move to Nashville.

You tell, you go out on the street in Nashville and you say you're comedian. Then you're special. You're a God. Because everybody else is a. Because nobody's a comedian. Here, everybody's, like, doing a job like this. Yes. Because it's like, oh, I'm in the arts.

You're like, oh, okay. Right. I work in, you're like, oh. But go into any other city in America and say you're a comedian. They're like, that's unbelievable. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And then also as a woman, it was always just like, guys were really, like, overly shocked by it.

You know, like that I was one. I couldn't. But I always kind of, I always liked that. Well, you know what, I came up. know where I came up. Well, you probably don't know. No, I know your whole story. No, you know where I came up in comedy. You started doing, like, open night. Oh, I did do that. But I would sign up. I came up at Comedy Works in Denver. Oh, that's the best. And I would always try to get on your shows and I never could. Because you know how they have all the comics there. I wouldn't, I, yeah. I wasn't good back then. I wasn't

good. You weren't good enough back then? No. But you were coming, you would come through and your shows would always be sold out. And I was like, I want to, I want to get on the head of McDonald's. We'd have to sign up. Like every Tuesday, we'd have to run down there and put our names on for the... Oh, my God, this is like the best story ever. For the comedians that were coming through the weekend. No, that makes me feel so special that I was like a hoot. You had that one headshot for a long time. Not the red and the white?

Let me think. It was, uh, back, you didn't get new headshots every back like 10 years ago. I still don't because I just don't care. Like, I'm just like, so when this came up on 10 years, I was like, I don't want to rebrand because my parents had their same real estate. They were residential real estate others, and they had their same photos for so long. Keep it. And then my mom would be like, oh, it's like, you know, Coca-Cola or the Smith brothers or whatever.

And I was like, well, as long as I still look like my photo that's on the podcast, I'm like, I'm good. I'll do another one in a little bit. You've seen somebody like on their headshot and then they walk out. You go, wow. Last show I did in Vegas was at the MGM Grand. And part of my fun was we stayed another day and we saw David. Copperfield and we're in the second row and we were we all grasp we were like grabbing each other's hands we're like is this an impersonator really and why is there a Coke can in his pants

the dick was enormous and it was right it was right there because they gave you're in the front row you're like I don't need to be it was it was I thought that about Chris Angel too oh it doesn't look like a magician is a magician it's like you can make anything disappear except your old face Like, Jesus. Well, somebody has to tell you, I think. Yeah. We should do just a tour. We see everybody.

We're in charge. Hey, you need new headshots. Yeah. Yeah, because Brian Regan looks totally different. Have you seen him lately? No. He's like all different. And you go, this is the different.

Maybe I do need to get, who wants to take. I also like to get everything for free. Who would like to take my headshot for free? But should we, don't you think the, okay, so I got a buddy on Ozimpic. Oh, I love Ossempic. Okay. I'm not on it. I'm not on it right now, but I've dabbled.

I've taken a shot here or there. But we should, we should, like, I'm used to him being 250 pounds. Him 150 is different person. Is he less funny? Is he a funny person? I have to adjust who I'm looking at. We knew him big. And it happens so fast.

Does that make sense? Yes, it happens so fast that it's like shocking. And so, and for a funny comedian who was heavy, that was their entire. act. I always remember when I was starting to do stand-up and I wasn't famous or anything. There was a big heavy comedian and he'd come on stage because I always felt like I never had that good opening joke. You know how someone would go, I look like so and so-and-so. I had a baby and you'd be like, oh yeah, they did. And it could work forever, right? And then you're good for it. Yeah, yeah. But he'd come out and he was heavy and he'd go, and he would take the mic stand and he

go, let me move this so you can see me better. And the whole place laughed. And I was like, that's such a good one. I wish I was fat. But now if he got skinny, he wouldn't be able to say that joke anymore. Nate Bargazzi is a Nashville comic. He's everywhere coming now. He's hilarious. He's so good. Yeah. He tells a story about he was coming up in New York City.

And the comic had a ponytail. Yeah. His whole act was about his ponytail. About how girls would and how he would interact and he couldn't get a, he was a ponytail. And then one day he cuts it. He goes, I don't need this. It's not part of my act. I don't need this ponytail.

and so he goes out, Nate tells the story better than me. He does 30 seconds, 45 seconds, just bombing. And he goes, so I used to have a ponytail. And then he went back into his old act. That is so good. There should be a, you should, if people do and jokes about being overweight. Yes. And sometimes they're not overweight enough to be doing fat.

Right. You know? Yeah, you have to keep it authentic to your life. and some bits, you know, can go for a while and then other times you have to be like, maybe don't tell the birth story when your kid is 28. You know what I mean?

Like maybe, maybe tell a different perspective. Do you think a comic would not go on a Zimpic to keep his act? I think some people struggle with it. Really? Because there was a guy on SNL, not SNL, a mad TV that was really funny. Pre-Ozempic days, like 15 years.

And he did lose weight. And I mean, he's, probably still doing fine, so I don't want to be rude, but I don't think he, you know, I think it did affect his, like, getting jobs and stuff. Yeah. Because it made you special. Now you just look like everybody. Yeah, now you look like everybody else.

It's good for your health, but, and I'm sure it's, like, fun, you know, to zip up your pants, but at the same time. But if you're, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's fun, a standing ovation. Exactly. That's pretty fun, too. And having all those fun jokes about, you know, not being able to fit in the tea. cup. You know what I mean? That's a whole, oh my God, a heavy person can go to Disneyland. Orlando's even better because it's humid and do a solid 45. That is relatable.

Now, if I do go to Orlando, what am I going to say? It's not I can. Not interested. Not as good. Not as good. Don't you think all the other all the other comics, like this, this podcast has become a behemoth is look at all the other. All the other. I don't know how to ask this question appropriately. I feel like a lot of your peers are getting crushed out there. Female comics from that like 10 years, like the era when we were like there, none of them are doing anything. Oh, okay. Yeah, it is a little hard because I think sometimes.

Does that make sense? Does that my question make sense? Yeah, because I think sometimes people didn't like jump on the social media train. And because I did and I joined. I got started the podcast over 10 years ago. I was, like, on Twitter and Instagram when I was doing Chelsea lately. So it's like I was doing all that kind of as a little bit of an older person. I was like in it, in it, doing it.

I saw this one thing, though. They said, if you could suddenly become 21 again today, like on TikTok, what would you do? And I wrote, I would start my career even earlier. Yeah. I'm like, I like, when people say, what would you do if you, I'm like, when I was, with the Wayne's brothers working on some movie, some of the nephews were like, you haven't heard of YouTube.

I wish I would have gone home that day and created a YouTube channel. I wish I would have doing the podcast and the YouTube while I was doing Chelsea lately. I don't know that they would have let me, probably not. Because they would know what it was. Well, they would get mad if we would do like a funny Twitter joke at our home like the night before.

And then we'd go. Because they'd be like, and I kind of got it. They're like, this was a topic. And now you've like put it out there. So you've got to kind of like keep The Chelsea era Yeah you got to keep that a little bit Because you're working on the show

Which is great because now everybody does does their own thing Who came out of there? Are you and Josh? Josh, I mean as far as writers Josh and I and Chris We were all writers on the show And then But

Unfortune And then but also like people that were just regulars on it all the time Were Joe Coy Natasha Legerro They were not writers But they were regulars Yeah. But that was wild how that made so many careers. It did because the way we structured the show, like I was there from day one, the way we structured the show gave the audience much more of a personal insight into the regulars because it wasn't just doing jokes.

And it wasn't even like an at midnight where you're just like doing, like in when we would come up with how to talk about it. And then we'd say to the other writers like, you know, like I would start to say, well, with my kid, if with Britney Spear, I'm like, I have two boys and da-da-da-da. And then people would know, oh, Heather's the mom. Joe Coy has one son. Oh, yeah. And like all of a sudden. Everybody had their personality.

Yeah. And then we promoted the day too, like your dates. But then also, yeah, people got to know you better. So then when you come on stage, they knew that you were the southern son of a Baptist Baptist contrast. Yeah. Like you kind of got your right. So then you weren't just telling, you know, pop culture jokes.

Yeah. So I always thought that was really important to do. I always told the people. Like if you can work in background about your life while you're telling the jokes on pop culture, that's going to give you a further way. You know it's taking the place of what? You know it's taking the place of what's his name? The show's getting canceled, the CBS, Colbert. Colbert, know what's taking place of it.

You know the answer to this? I don't. Comics Unleashed. Oh, oh, yes. It's taken that time slot. Oh, cool. Have you been on that? I have, and they asked me to.

That guy's like the richest guy in Hollywood. They asked me to do it and just, and the timing just didn't work out. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But maybe I'll do it now. I don't know, you know. You know, but I did it back in the day. And I, and it was, it was good. Those were good clips to have when you didn't have clips, when you were like putting together a tape tape.

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Let's talk about you a little bit. I love your background. So you're one of eight. You're number three? One of eight. Yep. And your dad actually was a pastor. Is he still a pastor? Well, you probably didn't get this deep into the research.

I'm sorry. Did he die? No. Oh, sorry. Okay. Sorry. Wow. He is saying, he is now the mayor of our city.

Oh. Lilburn, Georgia, where we grew up. Happening. Good for him. Yeah, dude. He's switched over. He's, you know, you try to control people by fixing their hearts. Okay.

Now it's with the rules. Okay. He actually said this to me. He goes, and you're a comedian. He was a pastor and he's the mayor. He goes, we wake up and we look at the world. We don't like it. We don't like it. We don't like it. He said at first I try to change it. I try to change it in religion. Then I try to change it by legislation. And he goes, as his son, he goes, you're kind of doing the same thing. You're just trying to change it with ideas. Oh, that's beautiful. I love that. Is that too sincere for this podcast? No, I know. I love it. I love it. I love the sense of family and, and, you know, so your parents are still together. They're still together, yeah. And one of the things I loved is, so I'm the youngest of five. From the valley.

From the valley. And so my, we're Catholic. And my parents are very, like, they were like, they could have been comedians. Honestly, they could have been comedians, but they were in advertising and then real estate. And so they would just tell me out and out that, like, my sister and I were mistakes. because my dad was like, said your mom couldn't read a calendar. And then every time I came home from a business trip and she had made a steak and a martini, I was like, oh, fuck, you're pregnant again.

And I was just like, and then they're like, but you were such a great surprise. And so then I was like, oh, okay. And so as the youngest of five, I was this bit, which I'll let you tell because it was so funny. But I remember I never got in trouble. And then one day my dad was like, knock it off or something. and my older brother started to do like an 80s slow clap like finally because they had a completely different dad.

Yeah, like and even though there was only 10 years between us, it was just like by the time I came, they would throw me in the station wagon and we would go watch Rosemary's Baby, Jaws. I was like four. They didn't care. Nobody cared. I like, I'd come to school and I'd be like,

did you see that made-for-TV movie about the mistress? And these kids would be like, who's letting you watch this? And I'm just like, I don't know. Like, nobody's watching me. Like, no one cares. I think everybody in the comments of this bit is there like older siblings get disciplined less than the younger. Is that everybody just said.

The younger's get disciplined less. They have no discipline. Right. But they. Because their parents are tired. That's what everybody said. Yeah. Everybody goes, they're just like the first one.

You know how like, especially in L.A. is probably, we're going to. Yeah. New mattresses. We got to make sure the sheets are. Right. Different because the toxins and the sheets because you heard about the in the bottle feeding versus the, we're going to do like everybody in the south is big on like cloth diapers now. Oh, God. What a nightmare.

Never. That sounds like, they're like, hey, we're doing it. And then every parent, you go, oh, you got that stroller. Well, did you know that if you got a, you got, I got to get a new stroll. But then by the, especially by kid number eight or five, after three. Now, did you have one of those families not to compare. to the Duggards, okay. But did you have one of those families

where you were assigned? They're not doing good. No, they're not. Love them, but I know a couple of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not doing good. But were you, like, assigned to, like, raise a little one?

Mm-hmm. Which one was yours? Well, we would always have, so if Emma is my youngest, second to youngest sister. That's the one I'm the closest with. Okay. That we were like, I remember my brother Elias, I was in, I was probably 12 and somebody came over and they were like, well, you shouldn't be babysitting.

I'm like, well, I am. So I don't know what do you want to me to say. I'm in charge. Because you're a boy. Because you're a boy or so young. I think the older ones were gone. Okay. And they were like, well, John's there.

Yeah. But I knew, I don't know. I knew about the house. And they're like, like, there was just no, it's not like it is now. I was babysitting at 12. I had people under me. I was like the pimp of the nature. I was like, I can't work tonight, but I've got a girl.

We got somebody to come over. Yeah, yeah. Like, I was so, I was 12. Yeah, and nobody now, like, if you have to babysitter now, the background checks. Oh my God. Yeah, all of it. It's a different time. Absolutely.

In a better time, I say. And so when you, in this bit, this stand-up bit, you say you go home, it's now your younger sister. And I loved it. So you just, can you just tell the story? Yeah, she get, I mean, I remember, I remember she gets like, we couldn't, first of all, I come home, because I, Lilbert and Georgia had a show in Atlanta, so I was like, I'd just stay at my parents' house. I come home, my sister is in the basement watching a movie with her boyfriend with the door locked. I'm just like, what is going on here? And she's like, my parents are like, John, leave her alone. I can leave her alone. We had to watch TV in the kitchen on a, on, on, on. On, on. On, on. On. On. On. On. On. On. On. separate couch. If I had a girl over separate couches.

Oh my God. And blankets? No shot. My parents would turn up the air conditioning. So we couldn't. And we were freezing, but there are no blankets because they don't want to, you know, a kid, a teenager's going to be under a blanket.

Under the blanket, no shot. And Christian movies, no cussing. There's actually a technology that's actually, they've been sued. But it would go through movies and take out all the sex scenes. We had, I had a friend. Something similar. That I'd be like, can, let's go to the. movie. Because like, again, my parents are working. I would be like, let's take the RTD, which was the

bus, down to the movie theaters. Like nine. I'm not kidding. I believe you. I believe you. And then I'd be like, let's go see like Greece or whatever. And it was like, no, that's too dirty or, you know, like, or, you know, the tidings or the Catholic, whatever. There was like a Catholic review of movies of what could be okay and what not could be okay. And we did not, my family didn't follow that at all. Oh, they didn't. No. And we didn't do confession after the first confessioner or we do it through school. And then I'd be like, mom, why aren't you going to confession? And she'd be like, well, I just think when you're perfect, why waste the priest's time?

There's just, they've got so many people to see. And I was just like, yeah, I don't know. Like we'd go to Mass every Sunday. We'd go to Mass every Sunday. We'd say grace. We would talk the Catholic talk. But like there were like, then my dad would be like, what are we, cafeteria Catholics? Which mean you like handpick.

Like maybe you go on birth control. but you still go to Mass, you know. I'm doing this part, but not that. Yeah. Cafeteria Catholics is what that's going? Yeah, because you're picking just a few things. We're not doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, but they can, y'all, y'all drink. Catholics can drink. Yes, we always drink. See, we can't drink. At all? Pentecostal, like in the South. It's just not, or like a Baptist, no. But Catholics are always.

Do you drink now? Well, I'm sober now. I went to rehab in like 2019, but I've been sober. When did you start drinking? Dirty. Once I got popular, I didn't know what to quite do. Oh, yeah. So what was that like?

So you really popped when like about 10 years ago? Yeah, I was no name comedian struggling. You wouldn't put me on your shows. And then I pop. And then Heather's like, oh, what's up? Come on my show. No, I don't think I. I'm just joking.

First of all, I never picked it. I would always say, can I have an opener and a, and even back then I wouldn't look at the people's stuff. You tell Wendy. Now I do look. Now I say, I need some. Can I have like four people? And now it's so easy. They'll send me their Instagram.

And then I'll be like, okay, this is my first, is my second, third and fourth choice. That's nice. Just because, but in the past I didn't do that. And I would get some dozies. Oh, yeah. And that would like, I remember I had this one guy before show in Aspen. And he says his whole act is like how he doesn't like screwing women over 40. I'm like, who do you think is in my audience?

Yeah. And it was just like, and he's like, I'm, you know, doing charity work. and I was like, I'm waiting on the wings going, I can't believe, Heather, you didn't check out this. So after that, I checked out everybody that, like, I tried to find a good match. He's not working anymore. He never turned out to be fading. No, obviously, because you wouldn't do something like that. Yeah.

And then as he's late, as he's introducing me, which he's just met me 10 minutes before he went on and say, he's like, this is a really good friend of mine. We've been friends for a long time. And I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just dig the hole on stage. Yeah. Okay. So you said you, so when was kind of a moment where you felt like you like kind of popped?

And you're like, I can't believe this is everything I dreamed of. Yeah. And like when was that? What was that moment? 2016, probably. I remember I put out a video. It's called Christian Girl Instagram where like I, Christian, like evangelical Christian that would like take a photo. This is back in the early Instagram days about they had their Bible open.

A verse highlighted. Totally. A cup of coffee and a cup of fruit there. And it was so ornately organized that I go, you probably read the Bible for, same thing with cat. You probably read the Bible for two minutes. Yeah. It took you 30 to organize this photo. Remember it was before reels?

Before any, like Instagram photo. There was not even carousels. It was just one photo. Yeah. And then the caption would be like mornings with the Lord or something. And I thought that was so silly that I made a video. making fun of, like satirizing it. Like, hey, if you're going to do this, make sure you do this,

make sure you highlight these verses, make sure you put these books in the background. Make it look, use these filters. Make it look good to get more likes. And everybody would, it kind of just. Blew up. You like going viral? Yeah. And were you doing a lot of like Christian church-based, funny, you know, relatable jokes in your act from the beginning?

Or did you kind of fall into that? Oh, you always did. I was like, yeah, but I would like, but do you know, do you know any like comedians that do churches? I mean, I've followed some. And I do think it's really great when you can tap into that world and also be clean. I tell younger comedians, too, like, listen, I am kind of dirty. But I didn't start out that way. I like, like, you know, start out clean because you'll work so much more if you can.

You work quicker. Quicker. I don't do any churches anymore. I've been not necessarily churches, but just be. Being a little bit of a cleaner act can also really be good. Maybe you can make 500 bucks to go to your country club and do the party for at the beginning. At the beginning. Yeah.

But I always stayed in the club because I came up in Denver. So I was always staying in the club because I felt like the club comics were better. Yeah. Actually way better. They were sharper and they were like and I was like, well, I got to stay here. If I go over that route, it's over for me. Even though you're getting the offers and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

But I knew that was kind of like a. Like you could get. pigeonholed. Yeah, so I stayed in the club the whole time. I stayed in the clubs the whole time. And now I just do, I don't do any churches anymore. But yeah. I'm still on the team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still on the team. Yeah, yeah, I'm still on the theme. Do you go to church now? I go to. What kind of church do you go to? Not Catholic, I'll tell you that. We have some strong opinions about y'all. I'm just joking. Yeah, yeah. Catholics are hot these days. Catholicism is coming back. I've been watching that. I've been watching like the young, especially younger people going. And. Yeah. I think it's all great. I just think anything that gets young people out of the house, whatever it is, providing it's not a dangerous cult or terrorism, I'm like, good, go meet some people. The evangelical, like, mega church is a lot of people say it's a failed experiment. Oh, really?

You know, but it's just too, it's too. Do you think there was just one too many docs exposing that it's not? I think documentaries, I think Netflix docs in the last eight years has turned people against a lot of religions, Like honestly, it makes you kind of go, God, could I be a preacher? Like, could I start my own church? Like, who is this person? And why, you know, and why should I be like going to them and listening to them every Sunday? Like, I don't know, you know.

Yeah, well, a cult is based, literally the only way it survives is based on limited information. So in the 80s, 90s, you could move out to Salt Lake, have a kind of a commune. They had their own textbooks. They didn't have cell phones. so they've stayed there. So you could tell them whatever you want it. Right. Now people go, no, we're not.

The whole thing kind of falls apart. The whole idea of a cult does kind of fall apart. It's like kids in like foreign countries. Now they see what we're all doing. Right. You can't really control if people have information. So true. So the whole idea of a cult, unless you're cutting off the information, it wouldn't.

It's not going to work. And I also feel that like, I mean, okay, so with the mega churches, okay, like I was like, wow, like you can drink a coffee. Like, you could have a star, like drink a coffee during Mass. And like in, in my Catholic church, there's always a wood bench. Yeah, drinking anything in there. There's no cup holder. And wood, like, uncomfortable chair.

And so then I like, you know, someone would have something or I'd go and I'm like, oh my God, I'm in like a movie seat. No, I'd go to like a Christian church. Someone would invite me. Well, don't say that. Catholics are Christian. Right. I always say, I always say Christian service.

Like I was like, when I was saying when I started Juicy Scoop, I was like, spread the word of juicy scoop as you would Jesus Christ, do your Christian service hours. Amen. When you go to Catholic school, you have to do a certain amount of Christian out, Christian service hours. Yeah. And so that's just like, so every time I would ever do something as an adult that I wasn't that thrilled about, I'd be like, Heather, just compartmentalize. Those are your Christian service hours.

You got to do that thing. Yeah. Go do that thing. and be nice. And so just to kind of like keep a balance. But I remember going, wow, like this chair is really comfortable. It's really nice to have a cup of coffee. The music is better.

This guy's pretty cute. I like his tight jeans. This is like kind of fun. It's got like more commercial. Yeah. Yeah. But then I would have the Catholic guilt of like, no, Heather, you need to go to the boring mass where the guy's accent is so strong. You don't understand what he's saying.

The acoustics are horrible. Can't hear. You can't hear. You don't know what's going. on. Then you need to feel guilty because you didn't listen. Yeah, but at least you got in there so that when you have that audition on Thursday, God will bless you. Because you were there. Because I was there. Yeah, you got to leave Catholic Church. You leave with some guilt.

You leave with them. Totally. Yeah, not in the mega church is you leave feeling great. They give you a cookie. You feel good when you leave. But I think I went to Catholic Church like a month ago because I didn't ever been. Who took you? My buddy Matt Fred. Wait, oh wait, I have that photo. attending Catholic Church for the first time. Okay, tell me about that. Well, he's like a, he has a big podcast. He's like a famous Catholic.

I didn't even know there was the. Did he get to go to the Pope? He's doing a pod with him, I think. With the Pope? Yeah. But did he get to go with Jim Gathigan to the Pope? No, he's not a comedian. He's not a comedian.

Yeah, how annoyed I was when I saw the people they invited. I was like, hello. I didn't like that. I'm like, hello. Like I did 12 years of Catholic school, paid for Catholic school for all my kids. Jim was there because he's Catholic. Oh, yeah, but I mean, he deserves to be there. But some of the other ones that were there were not even Catholic.

And I was like, again, whatever. Just like the country club. Just like I just, yeah, they're overlooking Heather. They're overlooking me. Yeah, I've been, I had the guilt since day one. Yeah, I've been, I've been promoting. They had some Jews in there. I go, you guys are against each other.

Exactly. We're never against each other. No, Catholic Jewish dialogue was like a class I took because it was so similar. and there was such a thing. But I was in writers, I was in writers rooms. I'd done podcasts where, like, my faith was challenged. Like somebody was like, how do you believe? What is wrong with you?

And then I would say why. And then they would, then the podcast host would get so much hate for how he treated me that then I'd be like, hey, can I be on your show again? And he was like, hell no. Like, no. And I'm like, I did nothing wrong. You were the one that was mean to me. You cornered me.

And then people, but, so tell me about what you thought when you went. Well, a Catholic church, first of all, the first thing I said was there's no lobby. If you listen to it, there's no, you go in and you're in. Yeah, you're in. You open the door from the sidewalk. Yeah. And you're in. I can smell it.

I can smell it right now. Yeah, you go in. There's a little greet team, welcome center, kind of like, you know, like the mom's gossiping in the, in the front lobby. Not Catholic Church. They've spent, they wasted no money. They go, we're every. And also, you know what?

Catholics don't send the kids to a different, they're in. No, you go through the whole, you have to sit and hear the crying and you have to be pinched and you have to. That blew my mind. No, it's. We have, the kids go off to their own section. Like color and stuff. Yeah, yeah. They're coloring books and they learn about Joan and the Whale and stuff like that.

Yeah, fun. Not Catholics. But I think what has happened is why Catholicism is, hot is because it went so far the other way that it's like, all right, let's, like, when you have a, like, you had to have taught him something. Yeah, yeah. So you go, well, hey, don't cuss. Right. Why? Or don't. And I also just cussed like three times. No, one when you're little. Yes, yes. Or when other people are, don't cuss. I have an infant. Yes, yes. Don't cuss. Well, why? Yeah. Or don't steal. Why? It has to come from something. You have to, every parent has to give

something. Yes. Some semblance of why the world is, why would we... I didn't really realize how lucky I was to be raised with something until I got to college. And my friend goes, and we're all just talking about there was certain girls in my sorority that had gone to other all-girl Catholic high schools. And my one friend goes, have you ever noticed that anyone you meet that went to an all-girl Catholic high school, nobody regrets it? Nobody says I wish I didn't go. And I thought, wow, that's interesting.

And then this one friend of mine later on goes, I wish I knew the stories. really? She goes, I don't know the stories you're talking about because she wasn't raised as anything. And then I was like, oh, wow. I am better than people. Like, no. But I just thought, you know, I never thought it made sense when someone said it.

We're not going to raise her kid as anything because they should make their own choice. Well, they're not going to seek it out. You could teach it to them and then you should be understanding if it's not their thing or if they take a break. They still learn the basics of doing onto others. And that's all I cared about. I was like, you know, I'm not super. Well, there's a second part of that doing to others.

Yeah. You just said the beginning. Yeah. As you have them doing it. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think everybody, I think in, I would say that when it becomes like, when people have religious trauma or something, is because they weren't allowed to ask questions. Yes.

So you go, hey, we're going to go to Catholic Church. Why? Well, we believe that a God created the universe. We do believe that not lying, not murder. We don't believe in that. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the general worldview of what we believe in life.

Yes. And where people go astray is that you have to go, don't ask questions. Yeah. This is what we're doing. And you go, why are they wearing those outfits? And then why do we have to do the confet? Nobody ever explained it. Right.

And that's how people get off track, I think. Totally. And now there's, yeah. And when, you know, in entering hall, becoming a bigger star and doing Hollywood stuff. Yeah. Now, you know, had this success because you were one of the few commercial comedians that also could talk with knowledge about this very relatable thing of being raised in the church. Yeah. Did you ever, did it ever get weird in that Hollywood is, I mean, I was in writer's rooms where they would say, how could you send your kids to a Catholic school?

Are they getting molested today? Yeah. And joke with me. And recently I talked to a writer that used to be on Chelsea with me. And I was like, oh, how are your kids? And he told me, now he married a girl who was raised Catholic. And I go, oh, where's your son going to go to school? And he goes, oh, we're hoping to send him to Loyola, which is a really great school here.

And it's all boys. And I go, oh, really? And you don't feel bad that you, like, tormented me for eight years. Well, well, well. Yeah. And then he's like, and he paused. And he was like, no, and kind of laughed. And I was like, all right.

That's all you need. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was like, yeah. It was like, yeah. It was, like, actually hard to be a believer in Hollywood and not be, and especially with comedy, which is so, there's so many comedians that are just cynical about it. And, like, they just don't understand how you can have faith, you know. Or something.

Yeah. Some other, like, I remember this. I was like, I'm not going to tell them your name. I'm not going to tell the name because you probably know them. Okay. But I was like kind of like me-toed by like a male comedian. He said you hit on him? No, he me-toed me.

Oh, okay, okay. Does that make sense? Oh, saying that you were... He was very famous. Okay. And I was young comic. Okay. And I go, in essence, kind of like, I want to be successful.

I want to be famous. I want to be popular. I want to be, but not at the extent of my... So he was hitting on you. Yeah, like, he was... Yeah, like, come to my room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all of the time. Sorry, got, got it.

That was confusing. Sorry. No, I understand what you mean. You're like, who meet? Oh, okay. And kind of laying it out as like, you got it. You understood. At first you didn't.

And then you're like, oh, shit. Yeah. Like, you know, paying for things and coming to my room. And I was a young comic and I was so hungry. And adorable, I'm sure. Well, thank you. You're still good looking, but I can imagine. But just no, but you go, well, I'm not doing that.

Well, you're like, why? Don't you want to be a comedian? But I go, yeah, but my parent, they, I was raised with something. You know what I'm saying? Yes. I go, I'm not doing that. When those type of things. Does that make sense or no?

Yes, because as a woman, it happened to me too. And I remember thinking, but I, I, I, my parents live in. Woodland Hills. I'm not going to be homeless if I don't do this thing. I can go to their house. They're going to still support me. They're going to, you know, I can work in real estate. I'm not, I didn't come off a bus with nobody in Hollywood. I actually have a whole support system. It took religion out of it. Just like a parents that were cared. Yeah. And that you know, and I'm not embarrassed to go home. I'm not embarrassed to say it's taken me this many years and I still haven't made a dollar. Like I wasn't because I was just, no, I know that I'm being entertaining.

Even if I'm not on a sick comment, even if I'm not making money, I'm good at what I do. It just has to take time. They don't ever do anything like in auditions, like sexually that you said you wouldn't do or no? No, but I did have this one. I met this guy at a party and he was an agent at a major agency. And he got my number and I, of course, needed an agent, you know? And I had this VHS tape. And I, with like all my little bits, and I did this one woman show of like all my characters from the groundings and everything.

And so he's like, yeah, come over and I bring the tape. Where? To come over where? To the agent. Okay. To the, like, to the Hollywood. Like, I go up, you know, the secretary brings me in. I'm sitting there and I'm like, you know, so like, you know, I need an agent and like here's my, here's all my funny characters and everything.

And he's like, come sit over here and it was a couch. And he wasn't an old guy. So it wasn't like completely creeped. But then, you know, he's like making moves on me and stuff. And I was just like, okay, then I leave. But I still think. If you, yeah, yeah, I know. And then he like calls me one night like for like a booty call.

And I'm like, could I just get? Because I of course dropped him off six tapes because I'm thinking he's got to give it to everybody. He wants me to come back again with a new tape. Yeah, I'm the next Lisa Kudrow. Come on, you know, like, get me on a sickup. And so then I'm like, I really did those tapes back because each tape costs like $10, you know? And I come back to the office. I give you the tapes back.

You know, you try. So when you told the guy, like, no. Yeah. Was it, did he then just drop you like a hot potato and was sort of embarrassed of the rejection or? No, I just said, and I just said, I'm not going to come to your room. because we would tour. Yeah. Like on the way,

like you'd bring me on tour. So you're the opener or feature. Yeah. But, but like, looking back. Which is a huge opportunity. A huge. To open,

I opened for Chelsea and that was very, very good for me. It also made sense since I was on the show as well. But that is huge for the stage time, to get in front of all those people. And before, and looking back now,

you're like, I was not skilled enough. Right. So be, I shouldn't have been. And you look back on it now, you go, oh, oh, oh, oh. I thought this is on merit. They're like, no, dude.

No, you look like someone we could turn. Yeah. You look vulnerable. It's not funny. It's not funny. I know. But it is. But you go, and we still went on the road for a while.

And I do credit him with, that's the thing. That's the, it's the, it's tricky part about this podcast because some of these people are, very, very brilliant and talented would do anything for you and they also have the darkest demons. So all the people on the pod, you go, what do we make of them? And you want to put them here or here.

Yeah. Like, do we like this guy now? Yeah. Or now this guy's out. Or Taylor, Frankie Paul, or whoever we're talking about, you're like, no, X. And you're like, well, that, if I, you know, they could, the people can be both.

That's what's tricky. Is this guy helped? to my career and would literally do anything for me, but also had like the darkest, it sincerely would do anything for me. Right. I think it's, I think it's different like with the Taylor, Frankie Paul. I don't know. I brought her up. She's just recently in the news. I think it's kind of different when it's like a reality star because you are entertaining to watch, but you are not an entertainer. You are not, you're not writing music. You're not singing. You're not, you know, you're not a comedian. You're not a writer. You're just a, you got to stay in the news. But I also

think that she can absolutely come back because I think people forgive. Of course. Kanye West came back. Yeah, I think they're less forgiving of women. And I think women are harsher on women. But I think, and then I think, you know, but I think for, I think even more and more, the cancellation is shorter periods of time. Yeah. It's shorter and shorter and shorter.

But. Yeah, it goes less and less. Yeah. When the other girl, the other girl is doing great on Broadway. Chicago. Yeah. Yeah, she got on the show and was like a dancer to begin with. Yeah, and she was like, I'm going to do this.

And yeah, I love this one when you talk to the audience about you got baptized or you Catholic. The baptism thing is so interesting too because one thing I was going to say about Christians is that I like. I can't wait for this generalization. I like to get invited to parties. I like to feel wanted. And I liked how in college and everything, I must have been someone that they felt that they could. Turn. Turn.

They can get to the. Because I did like talking about Jesus and stuff. You were generally interested. Yeah. But then and then they'd be like, are you saved? And I was like, yes. Like I've always believed. So how am I not?

And then I was like, oh, you know, like one time this cute guy was an essay, he kept inviting me to go to this thing. And I just thought, oh, he's so cute and he likes me. And then I realized, oh, it was the Bible study. You know, and it was a Bible study. Oh, yeah. Oh, she's going to want to come to the Bible study. And so the baptism thing, you know, we all get baptized.

when you're young. Yeah. And then... An infant baptism. Yeah. So then... You were that guy's service hours. Yeah.

You're like, wait, I'm the service hours. He's like, Heather's the service hours. I'm going to dinner with Heather for the service hours. My son said when he was at ASU, these guys called and was like, hey, do you want to play whatever flag football or something? The Arizona State? Yeah. I probably know who this...

Yeah. And so then he was like, yeah. Like, he was excited that people were like... It's the bait and switch. Yeah. And then eventually it was like, hey, we're all going to go. to the Bible study after, why don't you come? And he was like, no.

He's like, I went through Catholic school. Like, I don't need to now go to a Bible study while I'm in college. Also, now that, oh, I thought we were buds. Yeah, he would, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's up there with, like, joining an MLM, like, the lady being like, hey, girl. Or the guy bringing you, he bring me the tapes. Yeah.

Like, oh, oh, oh, okay, yeah, yeah. I said, I've always said this about, about this whole, like, like, everything everything in the podcast, everything in this podcast, it comes down to gold, glory, or girls. The three motivations for any kind of anything. Oh, interesting. It's gold, glory, or girls, meaning money, women, or power. Yeah. Like, why did they, you know, every, you do break down everything and you go, it's one of those

three. Interesting. It will always be one of those three at the end of the day. For men, I guess, because I'm not doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I guess I, yeah.

Yeah. But it's always, why are they? at the very end, oh, where they want to be tagged on Instagram so they can, oh, so it's a... Right. It's always one of those three, which has been around since the dawn of time. Yeah, definitely. And it's even in this business when, you know, I've been on the receiving end of thinking that this person was my friend that I brought on the road and helped and did all the things with and tagged them a million times. And then they were becoming resentful behind my back.

It wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. Crazy. And I was like, oh my God, like, why wouldn't you just tell me it wasn't enough? Or, you know, or, you know, why did you have to do this deceptive mean thing that, like, fucked me up? Because, like, I'm very fortunate and that I've been married for 25 years and we've never had a cheating on each other. But when it happened with friends, it's really, you're like, oh my God, like the two of you were like going around the court. Like, what?

Against me. Yeah. Like, I was just like, this is what it must feel like. When someone, like, has the hairs in the back of their, and they're suspicious of their man or their girlfriend. And then they find it later, and they're like, I wasn't crazy. Oh. You know what I mean? Like, I wasn't.

Yeah. I was in rehab in 2019 for alcohol. And they, they, they, there's, it was all men in there. And they said that, you know, everybody's at different stages of their marriage. And he said the women, the every, you know, you're in there for four weeks and then your wife's going to come. And you have like, kind of like a. heart to harder. Yeah.

And he said, you know, all the women were so relieved because they were like, okay, thank God, I thought I was going crazy. Like they would tell stories like, I come home in the guest room and I find a condom in the guest room. And he was like, the husband is like, the landscaper must have come in. And you're like, okay, you go, okay. Yeah, yeah. And then you finally realize this.

guy is cheating or isn't. And then you go, thank God. Yeah. Because I thought I was going insane. Right. And you're finally, like when you finally learn, yeah. Oh, it's very, it's going to be a disaster to kind of work through it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in your church, at least, I at least, I'm glad I'm. Yeah. Yeah. The gas lighting of just like, yeah, like, yeah, like of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's very helpful, they said. It was all very helpful. Yeah. So in your church, do people get baptized? Like, where they wear the outfits and go in a pool and stuff? That's a wild way to ask that question.

Yeah. Well, they just wear your regular clothes. Oh. You just wear, hopefully dark, though. You don't wear something white, but we got baptisms at our church coming up on Sunday. No, it's not. I thought they were supposed to wear, like, white flowy. Oh, that's in like a different denomination where they put on a robe and then they

full immersion into the water. Okay. We don't, yeah. We do like very, we do it in a horse trough and a bar. or in a river, somebody's pool. But, I mean, essentially people could be baptized like 10 times. Yeah, it's all very, yeah. You'd be baptized in a million different times in church or say, I need to be re-baptized.

Oh, but Catholic baptism is only once. That's it. You get your one. Yeah, and you're good to go. It's like a punch card of all the, you know. Well, let's not say it like that. Well, I'm just saying you get your check off of that. Yeah, yeah.

You have to be baptized. Yeah, you have to be baptized. And then confirmation is kind of like. That's like getting saved. No. So it goes, it goes baptism, then confession. Yeah. Then confirmation.

which is sort of, you can decide it. Like, it just basically saying, I confirm now that I'm a young teenager that I want. You're old enough. Yeah. Then it's like marriage. Baptism was non-consensual. Yeah. Then it's like, yeah.

And then vow, like if you're going to become like a priest or a nun or whatever. And then that's the thing. So then last rites. Well, my, my, that's when you die. Right. And that's only if you have the option to like call the priest. My friend is getting married to a Catholic guy and she converted. Okay.

at like 25. Cool. So how does that work? She got to go through a class or something? Yeah, she goes through a... If I wanted to become Catholic today, what would I do? You'd go through like a class. It'd probably be like Tuesday and Wednesday nights or whatever.

For how long? I think they can do it. I mean, who knows now if there's like an online element? But like definitely the church... There's an online degree. Yeah. And I think it's really beautiful. And like an adult decides to do that.

Like I think it's so cool. My husband had some familiar. with Catholicism because he had like a grandmother who was. But he wasn't raised and he didn't go to school. And then not until we were getting married. Yeah, but once we were getting married, when they said the Our Father, I couldn't believe he knew it. I was like, how do you know this?

Like how do you? And he just like came back to him from like the grandma. But no, just one of you has to be Catholic. And the other one has to say if we have kids, we will raise them Catholic. So you don't have to convert if you don't want to. You just have to say, I'm on the team. Yes. So my sister married a Jewish man, Goldstein, and he just said the kids can be raised Catholic,

and they were. And that's that. Yeah. So he didn't convert. He never converted. He never converted. He could have, but he never did. And it was fine.

And it was fine. I mean, I do think it's nice if you're both, like, into it. But as long as someone's not like making you not go or something, you know what I mean. Like, yeah. And they're not like fighting about the, you know. Well, isn't it marriage? I'm getting married in October. How did you meet your fiancé?

On Instagram. I mean, she slid in or you're slid in? I made a, I made a, could have been me. I was been sliding in your DMs for years. In,

yeah, I made a, I made a spoof video about the news. Okay. Making fun of the news about how news anchors like in the snow. Yeah. They're like,

why am I out here? You can see it snowing. Why do I need to be? Yeah, yeah. It was a fake. It was back in 20, I don't know, 6, 2020 or something like that. And she does that for a living.

She's a news anchor. She works for NBC. And somebody sent her my video. They're like, look at this guy making fun of news anchors. Somebody sent me a video of her doing it sincerely. And I thought she was cute and I slid into her DMs. See, I feel that's very like the universe working in God in your favorite. Like that's just kind of.

And I was in rehab. This was wild about my whole story that I was in like burned my life to the ground. I was in rehab. And I, there was no. They would like let us watch TV on like the weekends for like a three hours. And we were watching the local news because there was no Netflix or there was nothing. Yeah. And I was watching that we watched the local news and I saw a news anchor like doing that.

And I was like when I get out of rehab, I'm going to make a joke about that. If you do if you don't believe in God. I believe. I mean, I love all that stuff. I know, dude. And as I get older, I feel like it's, I don't know if it's just me. I don't know if the universe or. my, whatever. But it happens so much more now. Like, I'll literally think of somebody

that I hadn't talked to in a while and I'll get a text from them within an hour, like within an hour. And I'm just like, what is that? There's just so many things like, and like my parents are both passed. So there'll be little things like, I'll tell a story about my dad with a bunch of girlfriends and we're about to go to the spa. And then they're like, Heather, you know, it's your turn to go to the spa. Here's the key to your locker. And my dad's sports number, 34 and it's 34. Yeah. Like just like just like just like like just like all those kind of like signs and I'm like

just think it's amazing and then and throughout life of like knowing like whether you work like manifestation or whatever even if you're not like really working it though you'll look back and you're like I thought of that or I saw that or I said one day that'll be me and now it's me and like I love all that. I think it's so powerful. Yeah. And you look at the it's a dark and you look at the universe. and you go, my word.

Yeah. You just go, I'm not sure. They wear weird hats and the thing with the chanting. I'm not sure about all that. Yeah. But there's got to be something. Yeah. I think that's the start of it.

Yeah. Or my, or my, I had a loved one pass away. Or a child being boring. Yeah. Do you think you ever missed out on opportunities in the business because they are prejudiced about the fact that you are someone of faith? It's, I don't know if this is a, I just think it's a crutch to people to blame stuff. It's like a lot of times people are like, oh, it's because I'm Democrat, that the Republican,

I go, it's not good enough. Yeah. You know, like, oh, it's because I'm Christian that I go, it's not that good also. Oh, it's because I'm a lesbian. or because I'm blackout. People don't, they want to make money. Right. They don't care about if someone's anything.

And I always say there's so many entities. Can you be blackball for one particular show? Because someone hates you and is the person who's a talent booker? Yes. Sure. Yes. But there's other shows you could get on to. So it's like, yes, sometimes that'll happen and you'll never know why.

And it's not with the victim. Yeah. Like you'll never know why. It's a nice, there's a comic. In our scene that is, one is a female, she's like, it's because I'm female. I go, the GM of the club is a female. They are, and it's or it's because I'm black. I go, I assure you, it is not.

Right. And I mean, it's never been a better time to not be a white straight male. And in my day, like, yes, there would be 10 people on the bill at like the L.A. improv and it would be eight straight guys one black guy one woman and it would unless we want if we wanted more than one woman we would put our own show together and but i feel like it all in all but it all did work out and it was but it was also like you know there was tv shows you know so you always were like trying to get a sitcom right there wasn't podcasts and instagram and reels and i realized like the executives that were choosing would be a certain type of

of guy. And then they would really, they'd see everybody perform and they would gravitate towards the guy that lived their childhood. So they'd be like, that's the funniest guy. Because comedy is subjective and you relate to who you relate to. So my stuff about being Catholic and sorority girl and Valley Girl, there was no executives that were like, oh my God, I grew up with Woodland Hills and went to USC and I know exactly who this chick is. Now there's such a variety and there's such a way to find your own audience without the gatekeeping of only having television stations. So that's what I think is so great about today. If you go to Zanies, like I live right next to Zanies in Nashville, there's two rooms now.

There's probably five shows a day. There's probably 20 plus shows a week. And it's like, when I was coming up, you would just go to the comedy club. You wouldn't look. There was no YouTube. There was no, you wouldn't look. It had to be Jerry Seinfeld, Jay Leno, For everyone.

It had to be for everyone. Now there's like black, Jewish, gay comic. And if you don't get it, you're like, I don't know this guy's podcast. I have no idea of this is. And the lines wrapped around the block twice. Yeah, great. For that. Yeah, because they found, they found their.

There's like a comic that's from Wisconsin. And he just does Wisconsin. Great. And everybody that, like, used to live in Wisconsin are like, we love this guy. That's what I think is so great because there was exactly what I'm saying. It was like. There's no excuse now. Yeah, like, you know, and it's, it's, so I think that's really great.

Going back because you brought it up and that you went through this hard time, I, you know, I wasn't going to bring it up because you, but since you brought up, I want to say, I really think it's great how you dealt with that and you took that chunk of time. I think if more people that fall into a hard moment, just put their phone down, maybe don't perform for six months, and just take that time. I don't think enough people take. take the time that's necessary. And then when you come back,

you can come back. You can come back and be struggling than ever. But I think so many times people are like, you know, and that must have been like shocking to have to turn stuff down and cancel your tour

and put your book on hold and all of that. Oh, you did do some research. But I do think, well, I remember when it was happening too and I remember thinking that you were handling it right. Yeah.

And I think in this day and age, like, that's a lesson to learn. Like, it doesn't mean it's over. It just means like take a breath. I mean, you know, and just like get good, you know, with yourself. Yeah, if, well, first of all, the only reason we probably talking about this is because you did go around my publicist that you did DM me directly. Like, if you would have talked to them, they would have. So funny, dude.

If you want something cut out, this is not live either. I like to talk about it. They don't want me to talk about. I like to talk about all the time. Yeah. I think it's part of my story. It's awesome. It was 2019.

and I had a Netflix special coming out in that fall, and I was like on the Tonight Show and I had a book deal, and I was like performing in churches, but I was also like getting drunk. Like, and like doing all kind of behavior that was not, you can't do. It's like, it's kind of like if you remove, the part of the religion that is stuff is the shame involved in it.

But if it's kind of like, well, these are the rules. You can't wear jeans on Friday. I wore jeans on Friday and I got fired. Oh, from doing the church kick? Yeah, but they were like, you can't. You can't. There's a kind of a unspoken rule that if you're performing in church that you probably are behaving as a Christian. Right, got it.

And I wasn't. Oh, okay. So that all kind of, there was whispers on Twitter and that stuff kind of came out. But it was also like every, all of my comedian buddies were like, They would read that article about me. They're like, this sounds like a regular Tuesday. So when I read it, you know, and it was just that like you're flirting with women that might have, I'd be married or something and they were flirting with you. I mean, in the scheme.

Yeah, yeah. That's what everybody said. That's what everybody said. In the thing from Woody Allen to Louis C.K. To who was the other? Aziz. Aziz. Azee who would just kind of had what I would refer to as bad bedside manner.

Yeah. act like they're a little more into her when you're calling the Uber. Just act a little more into her. She's going to get her feelings hurt by that. But like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was like, you. I was pretty down, pretty far down on the list. You, you.

But that's what was so honestly, like, noble about it, like that you were like, no, this was wrong. And I am this person. And that is why it's wrong. And that's why I'm going to go make myself right. And you proactively ended this stuff for yourself. Yeah. Which is like amazing. I would probably say I look back on that.

So it was a lot of, it was, it was 2019, which is a very, in terms of, remember people like just that executives were like, I slept with a girl in college, I'm quitting. People were like proactively quitting their jobs. Remember that? Yeah, yeah. It was so scary. It was so, and like the Harvey Wein. It was so scary.

Like 17 to like 21 was like, yeah. Terrified. Yeah. And then it was a lot of like, um. It was so with the religion aspect of it, it like adds a whole other level of like, I don't know, I guess I was so scared. If you look at it back on it, maybe I should have been like, yeah, I'm not perfect and I could have just gone touring. But again, I got sober because of that. Yeah, so it was like everything falls in the way it's supposed to, which is also like believing in faith.

And I hate to say that and I'm getting married in October. It's like I thought the way I was going would do have no shot to be in a healthy relationship or marriage. I hate to say that cancellation. 100%. Does that make sense? It was kind of good. It would save my life. Yeah, absolutely.

And I hate to say that because I don't want people to be calling people out publicly. I don't think that's the way forward. Well, I remember reading your thing and I was like, wow, this is like, it's not like you actually. were a pastor of the church with a wife and three kids and banishing people that, you know, it was just that you were part of that world. And I thought, wow, that is real. That shows that he actually does walk the walk because he like wants to do better. That's wild to hear that from you because I didn't.

No, I didn't. I didn't. Yeah, I didn't think that it's wild to hear. I mean, I was, yeah, it was a. it was a very I'm like sorry I'm not a normal community podcaster

I actually like talk about shit like this so it's probably like not what you were expecting today but it was so like a lot of people like you or like reached out to me I was getting crushed on the internet

obviously on Twitter but there was so many people that were like that's probably how you heard of me no I had new about you before and I like because I'd seen your stuff and I thought it was really funny and I loved like the pastor and the jet the jet the pastor that has a jet all that kind of stuff so like I thought it was really funny and then I just was like reading it and I kept trying to find like the bad part of it. Yeah yeah yeah you're kind of reading for some key words and you don't see what it's going to happen and then I was like oh my God like and so then to see then you like come

back and find you and you're doing your funny stuff again and I just thought. this is what it's supposed to be. Like this is what it's supposed to be. Your life shouldn't be. And entertainment should be this, you know, providing, you know, you're not, you know, violating women, children, men and, you know, murdering people. But, like, things that I'm just like, wow, like, that was so just important to see. And when you think about your life now and how you found the love of your life and every, I just think it's like such a beautiful story. because it's true.

It's like, it's very much, you know, I believe in like everything happens for a reason, and I believe in life's rejection is God's protection, and sometimes you don't realize that you spend three years laying in bed going, I regret this, I regret this, I regret this. And then all of a sudden you're like, well, on the small level, if I didn't do that, I wouldn't have had this hilarious bit. If I didn't do this, I wouldn't have, you know, ended up here. I wouldn't have met. And then you're like, oh, my God, I wouldn't.

I mean, even for me with this podcast, I had. career things that I regret it, like for a long time. And then one day I woke up and I'm like, the show wouldn't be here. If I hadn't fucked up over here and then missed a bunch of opportunities because of this fucked up and I could only work on this and now thank God I have this and I have no envy to be over here. That's what I said at the beginning. Yeah. And if you didn't have this pot, like imagine going into those like audition rooms with like. Yeah. And you can say whatever you want and have whatever conversations you want, and you go, oh, thank God.

Like, I can, anybody can go back and if they don't know the article, that you can go back and look at it. I got no shame about it. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't hold any kind of shame for me. And I'm a, it's just wild. It's truly wild because people don't believe in God or, like, that there is some kind of plan for you.

I mean, remember being so mad at God. Like a journal that all we had was like journals and it was just write. This is a, this is a horrible plan. But then you kind of come through it. What's truly wild is it was fall of 2019. So I had a music manager. He was not a comedian manager.

I was about to release the Netflix special and then go on a stadium tour. Not a stadium tour, sorry, an arena tour. Oh, my God. I had no material. Because I'd working for 10 years for my first Netflix special, and he didn't know that you got to kind of go. Yeah, you can't just do the exact Netflix special that everybody just saw. Yeah, because in music, you do. You do the album and then you go tour it.

And then I was like. Oh, my God. What a panic. And then it got canceled. And then COVID happened. So everything got canceled. Right. And then.

This is kind of perfect. Yeah, too. I come out. And now I have like, I have a new show that we're working. on that we have been more successful by far than we ever would. That arena tour could have been the end. Right, because you could have bombed or disappointed or gotten better. No, I would have bombed.

And I had no material. So you go, yeah, even if you're like an atheist or you go, hey, that's fine. I'm not going to try to press it on you, but there's some things that happen in life that are too, like, what? Yeah. That it's just, yeah. Amazing. That it's too much to, I mean, when you're in treatment, I never, I was so, everybody was so sad. That's like the best comedy came from.

I mean, I met my fiance. Like your team, you mean, and your family or what? No, no, the, they, everybody just wanted me to get help. The people in there. Everybody burned their lives to the ground. Right. And I remember one guy goes, my buddy Warren, we were all in there together. he had blown his life up.

We'd all blown our lives up. And I was starting to kind of feel better or start to get a little like, oh, maybe I can, I don't know about it ever do comedy again, but I'll be able to go to the golf course. And I was like, am I getting sued? Do I have any money?

And they're like, yeah, it's not an ideal situation, but you're going to be fine. And I start to kind of have some pep in my step, you know. And he puts his arm around me one day. We're on a walk. We're on a hike. And he goes, hey, it looks like you're doing a lot better. here and you make a lot of progress.

I just want to let you know, don't take suicide off the table just yet. And we would die. We are so, like, humor was so, that's the most morbid thing I've ever heard, but we've died. Like, it was so, the comedy was so fresh. Yes.

And so painful. The world was so painful that it was like comedy, I fell in love with comedy. Yes. All over again. And all the things. that happened in the world, by the way, since then. Yes.

And you have to be in a mindset to, like, be creative. You can still kind of chug along. But then when you're, like, in a great mental state, because it's like you have to go on stage whether, you know, something horrible just happened or you've got a text or something that you've got to go on. You got to be like, hello, I did a night. Yeah. And then get in the moment and still enjoy talking to the people and telling the stories and all

that you can't just like blow it off because you need a mental health day it's like not you can't do it you know i'm sure people message you all the time just because of how big this podcast is we're like hey i've been going through a tough time in my life and your pod is it provides me an escape but i feel like i'm part of this community or i feel like you are like doing as and you could hear directly from those people i mean i love it and i still have that like you know guilt where like on occasion there was like a mistake where like I had some work for me. They put up the wrong podcast. Like they put Tuesdays podcast again on Thursdays.

Oh yeah. And of course it goes up at like 1 a.m. You know, or to midnight on the East Coast. So I wake up on the West Coast to like all these messages of just people like, hi, you know, and I literally thought about the people that mentally really depend on waking up on their commute, whatever. And it wasn't what they want. And I was just like, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

I'm so sorry. I'm not because I've been so consistent that they, like, depend on it so much. And it's like because of they're so great, you know? And it's not, by the way, no one's saying that to the lady that's in the Fabriz commercial. Yeah. Or whatever, whatever anyone else is doing. Not that other people's work doesn't matter. But like, if you have, if I believe truly, if you do have that ability, like every time people are sad, they go to art.

Yeah. They don't go. They go to art. They go to music. They go to podcasts. They go to comedy. somebody, they go to something to, if you truly had that ability, I believe, to give that gift to other people, like, who's your favorite? My, like, Chris Martin from Coldplay. You're like,

gosh, dude, what if he never did it? Yeah. What if he never, who are you to that, I believe God gives people these talents? And who are you to not share it? Well, like, I didn't, I wasn't pursuing it at first. I thought, I'll be like a business woman. Then I was like, well, I mean, I just was like, I knew how hard it was to make it in acting growing up here. and stuff. Yeah. But I knew I had this like comedy gift that like I could imitate and do impressions. And I just remember I kind of came to the conclusion like if I don't pursue this gift that not

everybody has, like I always tell people, find the thing that you're good at that like not everybody else can do. Yeah. There's a lot of things I cannot do that I have friends that are very good at. And I'm like, please pursue interior design. Please pursue like you're cooking. You're so good at it. Yeah.

And so I'm like, I was like it is like a. after you to God, if you don't use the gift that you know was blessed upon you that not everybody can do. And like, it could be amazing. And the other thing, which I've told the story on this show so many times, but I'm just going to say quickly, when I was like 10, I was watching like a call-in show and it was someone called in and Eddie Murphy was a guest. And this woman said, I just, if I, knew if I ever had a chance to talk to you, I have to tell you this. You know, so many years ago, my son died. Like it was like a young child and it was the worst day of my life. And I said, I will never laugh again. And that night I turned on S&L and you were Gumby and I laughed again. And I

remember at 10 going, that's what I want to do. Yeah. That's what I want to do. I'm like, if I could do, if I could make someone laugh on their hardest day and be an escape, I just want to be an escape for an hour, hour and a half, whatever it is. And I'm like, I think when your intentions are pure like that. Then the success will come. Some will be making $100 million and some will just be very happy in their house, but they still get to be creative. Yep. But if you do it for the right reasons, you know. And it doesn't, if you are like, look at everything, whoever put this together is, I believe, doing God's work at Starbucks.

I mean, these people are evil, obviously. No, but I mean, I left, no, like an exactly, a yummy coffee. Yeah. He wasn't like the person who grew these beans. all the way in wherever they come from. That guy wakes up with the same intention that we do. Yeah. He does it.

Like, I hope I make money. I hope I, but I was born to figure out how the best way to plant these beans and to grow them. And he sees everybody here commercially enjoying what the God gave him the ability to do that. Yeah. I think that's everything of that camera. I think that's the road that you drove on over here. Yeah.

The guy was like, I'm obsessed with this mixture of cement and asphalt. that I could put together so if people can drive on these roads. Christianity aside. Yeah. I feel like more people listening to this podcast can get about the business of doing the reason why God put them on this planet. Well, before we end, I want to say, I love. We're going to ask everybody to get saved now. I feel like that was too much.

I don't care. That was too much. It was too much. The other thing that's happened in the last few years for me positively is that I was way more conscious about saying the wrong thing and being caught. saying the wrong thing and all that. And I do feel like, now I'm like, fuck it. You know, and go listen to someone else then. Like, I'm sorry.

This is me. You may not like every episode. You may not like every guest. I'm going to be me. You not, you choosing to unsubscribe. I'm not going to lose my home. Like, it's not going to change my lifestyle. My dad always used to say that too.

If I lose this client, it's not going to change my lifestyle. I don't do this gig. Like, it's okay. So like, you know, at this point, I do think, thank God, the pendulum swinging where people are a little bit able to breathe. But not if you're on the networks. Right. If you've got a reoccurring on a network, sitcom, and you put out a tweet, they will write you out of that show.

Right, because the morality clause of the contracts and things like that. They can. They can say that. Actually, I know a person that has happened to this year. They were cast at a show? They were in a show and an article came out about them that the network did not like. And they wrote them out of the show. And it was just politically incorrect?

Yes. Not hateful. No, it just was not on the side that they were. Got it. And they go, well, but now, like, you look at Rogan, you look at, what's the guy that, I'm sure you talked about it that was, he was locking the doors from the inside and he was hooking up with all the girls at the morning show, the CB. Oh, Matt Lauer. Yeah. Yeah.

You're done. Yeah. Because you're with CBS. Right. And now, he never had his own audience. Yeah. Like, Rogan has his own. Right.

So you can't. Right. It's amazing. It's the greatest. It's really, and all the complaints that we all in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s, you're like, well, you, we made our own show. Yeah. So I want to talk about this show.

I love this. It's filmed like the office or Parks and Rec. And tell me a little bit how you thought of it and how you executed it and everything. Well, it's called Springfield First. So it's basically, my father-in-law has passed down the church to me. So I'm this young, you know, trendy kind of pastor, which, and it's always, if you have a church of 5,000 people, there are very human scenarios that are going on.

Drama, yeah. There has to be. My dad was a pastor, and I've worked at churches, so I know how it goes. I know all this are like, this guy's nuts in the church, but he tithes a lot of money. And that means gives a lot of money. Yeah, that means he gives a lot of money. So let's hear him out. Right, right. Or there's a lot of human things going on at a church. It's Catholic church too. That you go.

But the thing about the Catholic church, like I said, like if I don't, if I didn't go, like they're not calling me up and being like, where are you? They're not knocking on the door. That's the thing where I'm like, I wish the Catholics would take some marketing classes. There needs to be a middle between the evangelicals and the Catholics. Like Catholics don't care if you're there. No, they don't care. You're not special. You're not special. You know, it's like, you know, whatever. Evangelical everybody's too special. And if you do a lot, you still can't reserve a C. on Christmas Eve. You could give $100,000. You could be singing in the choir. That's why people like Catholicism now. And if you can't find a parking spot, you're screwed. You're standing in the back and your heels in the cold. Gosh. You can't buy a seat. And in this evangelical scenario, like that one of the is, we have a greet team. Like every evangelical church would have a

great team, meaning you walk in. There's a, hey, how you doing? Good to see you. And we did like a review of the headshots of like it's Easter we got to get the hottest readers I love it everybody in the DMs by the way is like this is my church like this happens like I mean this is also sorority life of like yeah it's like putting the cutest girls in front

to do the sexy dance you know but think about that conversation yes you're like okay but it's God too yeah much is she way or like well she's a little bit hotter she get more likes on her Instagram let's put her up for it's like we would be sitting back from communion. And my mom would be like, my mom, who is a good woman, Michelle,

she'd be like, what happened to the O'Malley girl? Well, they set her off to the Midwest. And I mean, talk about the freshman 15. I think it's a freshman 15. I thought you could barely walk back. I'm like, Mom, we are in church. Like, you literally just got the body of Christ. I'm like, you are so, but we would still go to church every Sunday. And we would be like literally judging people's outfits. And I'm Like, what? Okay, so when you thought, now, I'm guessing in your career, as you're rising up, many people, network people came to you saying you should have a sitcom. Sure, sure. And this is what it should be. Was this ever one of the ideas you had back before you decided to do it yourself? That's a thousand people. I've pitched this to a thousand people. And did it, how far did it go?

They shut it down every time. Did you ever get to the point where you wrote the pilot but not acted out? Yeah, we wrote and filmed the pilot. And what did your network? No, we pitched it. everybody. Okay. ESPN, not ESPN, Netflix, CBS, Amazon Prime, all of them. But it never got, you never got to the point. And so then you're, so then what made you go, actually I'm on a point where I'd like

to finance it myself and film it myself and how does that work? It's really not, I mean, just between us. It's not in between us, I guess. But it's just a, it's a, we work. Oh, you went to a we work. That's what that office is. That's net. That's the set.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's an office. I mean, the outside of the church. which is AI. Right, right. Yeah.

So that's, like it's a, and we have a camera. We have all the stuff. And how long are each of the things? A couple minutes. Okay. Fans could be two, could be five, just a simple scenario.

And where I know it's on your Instagram, but do they, is it also on YouTube where you can watch it all at once? Yeah, but, no. It's not, they're just released daily.

Oh, okay. Yeah, it's the springfield first. It's like a... And then did you finance it all yourself? Yeah, I just financed it myself.

Because... And has anyone now come and said, we think this can be a bigger show. And I go, I've tried to pitch to steal, like, for years. I wish the same thing with you. But people are ahead of their time sometimes. Sometimes you're just ahead of your time. Same with you that you go, God, I'm so glad they didn't, they turned it down.

Yeah. Because now, like, we did a, we had a joke in that somebody getting towed from the, okay. Oh, I loved that. That was such a, the, no kings route. Yeah. And I go, are they, which side of the no kings were they on? And but I go, people are getting towed from the church parking lot. But I go, I don't care if you're going to a Chris Tomlin.

It's like a big Christian singer. I don't care if you're going to a Chris Tomlin concert or a clan rally. Yeah. You can't park in our church parking lot. But look, that would be cut. The network could have cut that. And anything we're talking about here, the network goes, hey, we can't. Yeah.

So you go, well, all right. Well, then everybody's just doing it themselves. I actually watching it, I thought, ooh, that's kind of even edgy that he's saying this. Yeah. But I thought that was so true. But edgy to who? Because I'm watching it and it was really funny because it was like, we're not really sure if they're for the no kings or they're going to protest the no kings.

It's all like. But it was like, it was so confusing, but like so funny. And then you're like, just tell them. It takes like a very, all the most touchy subjects. Yeah. But doesn't take a side. Yeah. Like the next episode is somebody comes, you know, like what a Bible says.

study is. Yeah, yes, of course. Like a group. Yeah. There's like, the church has like a hundred of them. Yeah. If you join the church, you can choose which Bible study. We're going to do the Book of Romans. We're a empty nesters Bible study, college Bible study. So somebody comes and they say they want to have black Bible study. Yeah. And you go, oh, man, uh, okay, does, like we can't allow that, obviously. The white people are going to be upset. They're like, we don't have a white Bible study.

be like we got a NASCAR pickleball Bible study. You're like, all right, we kind of do it. And then I just, it's like very, I go, well, they can't, what do they want to call it? They go, black Bible study. I go, can we switch it to like the Bible study cookout? It's like insane, like it, but it doesn't say, it doesn't take a side, which is what's brilliant about it, but there's nobody in our ear to like tell us. It was so funny. I was talking about this like scandal, this cheating scandal on like a reality show.

and under the video, they said, well, you're missing the point about what Sierra said in the AA community. Yeah. And I go, AA, I'm like, is she Alcoholics Anonymous? Yeah. And they're like, no, it's African American. Now we know that Heather's so clueless. And I was like, well, I just see her as a beautiful girl. I go, I don't think he was dating her or not dating her because of the color of skin.

I think she was hot and it didn't work out. I was like, what? I'm like, I only know AA as AA. Sorry. Everybody knows AA. And then they're like, yeah, the haters are like, we got her. Like, there's like one person in basement, like just trying to see you slip up and you're like, I don't fucking care anymore. Or like you can't, you can't like, I have no boss for you to like, you know, if a guy's like sending like inappropriate things, they can find his boss and then send it to him and then he gets fired.

Right. Like, well, we don't. Yeah, what are you going to do? That's what is weird about being canceled also too. You go, well, he already, we already kind of tried to get him. And he's here. Or he's like, I don't know, what do you want us to do? I mean, that's the other thing is once you go through that too, it's like, you know,

you've already, you know, done this once to me. And if it shows, and if the Lord shows it to me again, I will know how to react even better. So go ahead and try, lose her. Or it's not scary. I mean, it used to be so, like when somebody first said something critical about you, It was so terrified. Oh, yeah. Like, especially publicly.

Yeah. They were like, Heather McDonald. And you go, oh, my. You're like, that's not me? Yeah. And now you're like, I'm not going to waste my time defending. No. Like, I know who I am and the people that listen and Ben, would they go to my show?

Like, if I lose someone or whatever. It's such a beautiful time. Yeah. It really is good. It is good. But in energy, like you can go find if you are obsessed with. rock climbing in South Dakota, there's a, there's content for you. Yeah, I love it. There's an Instagram feed. There's probably a podcast. You don't have to watch

what everyone else has watched. There's a, between me and you and the pod, there's 10,000 tonight shows. Right. Totally. And you can go watch the one you want. The one that, because people don't want the view. Well, they all have one view. But I'm saying at one time, there used to be, let's have five people with different points of view. Actually, no. Like, they're all being canceled. I just want to hear, I just want to hear like someone that I jive with. And I might disagree with them, but I still know, like, deep down, I, I like their personality. And I like that. I think that they're a good person and whatever, you know.

And you don't have to the, I want to hear what Heather McDonald has to say about the thing that happened over the weekend. Right. Exactly. Well, this has been so fun. And I have your dates here. You have this huge tour. Oh, God, I did love the P.F. Chang's. Oh, yeah, right?

The P.F. Chang's. Is they have that in the Valley? Go to his intro. Oh, yeah. And I remember, I remember he does this really funny name about P.F. Chang's. And it was the fancier Chinese thing. And there were cocktails. I remember the kids were little.

And we were not, we didn't have the iPads when my kids were little. So we would just not really bring them anywhere. And we would just, you know. The kids are the iPads. Yeah. We were like, you know, we're not going to put it in a place where they misbehaved. Yeah. So one day I decided I looked cute.

I came from an audition or something. And I was like, can we go to P.F. Chang's? I think the boys can handle it, you know? And my little one, my little one was like, whatever, two and a half. And I thought he could handle it. Well, remember those big booths and whatever? He managed to climb over the booth, steal someone's like fortune cookie and run out past this. And I was like, and my husband's like, really?

Was it worth it to go to P.F. Chagston? I'm like, no, we've got to wait like another two years. We're not ready yet. We might be white trash. Yeah, yeah. Too nice of a place. Yeah, it's too nice. P.F. Chang's was, the suburbs of America was,

changed the game. What I saw, this is the horse. My God's so funny. But here are your dates. You're everywhere. Oh, dang. And in, right now this weekend, you're out here and all, and then coming in May. You're in Texas, North Carolina.

Oh, we're going everywhere. Florida. Where are your viewers at in L.A.? Everywhere. They're everywhere. Yeah. I mean, we're in the main. They're all these places.

My best. you know, city, states, whatever, are L.A., San Diego, New York, Chicago, Florida, Texas. Beautiful. Those are my Philly, places like that, Washington, D.C., all that. And then Nashville, too. I mean, obviously, you're in the south, which is amazing. And it was just... So, if you are not following you, I know that you, everyone should because it's such funny content.

You're such a delight. Congrats on the engagement. Maybe God, it was God's plan for me to not be on your shows. So that we could have this. So we could finally do the podcast. And you're welcome to come on ours anytime we come to Nashville. Come back to these. That's a delete.

Well, I know I'm working on putting my fall in 27 together. And I know we're definitely going to do a Nashville show for sure. Nashville is popular. Yeah. And I've performed there before. It's been a couple years, which is good too. Then in a few years, people are real thirsty for it. Yeah.

And it's, you know, there's nothing cuter than Nashville. Yeah. True story. You just have some white cowboy boots. You'll fit right in. Oh, I already have white cowboy boots. I will be bringing up. Yeah, because I'm going to Lakeita this weekend.

I have a house there. And, you know, for Coachella and stagecoach, I was like, I think I need to put the boots back in the house. Oh, yeah. It's going to be fun. Yeah, yeah, he got to. Well, I don't know if I'm going to go. I'm hoping to go some parties. And then, I mean, it's a pretty young vibe.

So I kind of like to just enjoy and then go to, like, a party here and there. And then maybe. You're not going to that. Yeah. for the three days, like my 19-year-old niece, you know? Stay in a tent. Yeah, no, I have a house. Oh, yeah, I know we're not doing that.

Yeah. Thank you so much, John. Total delight. Thank you. Absolutely. Your website should get the ticket. What's the best tickets so they don't get screwed over? And they're like, tickets are $600.

I go, no, they're not. You have to go to what? Johnchristcom. And that's C-R-I-S-T. Yeah, like, well, Christ, but no age. Exactly. So easy. And it's J-O-N.

J-O-H-N. Oh, you are, J-E-E-R-E. There's an H in, but not in there. It's not an H in the Christ. There's an H in the first, not the last. So John is J-O-H-N. Yeah. C-R-I-S-T.

The H is gone in Christ. Yeah, there you go. And the Instagram, it's John B. John B, Christ. Chris. Chris. My middle name is Barack. No way.

Yeah. It's a character in the Bible. Is that name in the Bible? Oh, interesting. Yeah, my parents are very Republican. That's crazy. It's so fun. Yeah, they're like you named after I go, wow, I was, I'm 40.

I'm 42. I couldn't be named after Baragel. That's amazing. Yeah. So interesting. Thank you. Honor to be here. Everybody go to Heathermigdaln.net for all my stuff and my Patreon.

Love you. Bye.