Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Summer House Scandal, Zack Peter’s Take on Lively vs. Baldoni, and Taylor Frankie Paul’s Day in Court

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

I am joined by the fabulous Zack Peter for a jam-packed episode! We dive into Blake Lively’s shocking courtroom loss against Justin Baldoni and unpack the latest cheating scandal rocking the Summer House. Over in Beverly Hills, Erika Jayne is reaching her breaking point with Dorit’s chronic lateness, while Mauricio Umansky makes headlines for suing his own father’s girlfriend. Plus, we recap the premiere of The Real Housewives of Rhode Island, question the paternity drama surrounding Lala Kent’s baby on The Valley, and check in on Jen Shah’s return, though it seems the fans are just fine without her. Finally, we get into the high-stakes preparation for Taylor Frankie Paul’s legal woes. This is a Juicy fun one, enjoy! -If you have an iPhone, head to https://ladder.fit/JUICYSCOOP and take a quick quiz to find your perfect Ladder plan. Use my link and get a free 7-day trial with NO credit card, and $10 off your first month if you join -Head to https://DailyLook.com to take your style quiz and use code JUICYSCOOP for 50% off your first order. -Take proactive care of your health and head to https://OPositiv.com/JUICYSCOOP or enter JUICYSCOOP at checkout for 25% off your first purchase.  -Refresh your spring wardrobe with Quince. Go to https://Quince.com/juicy for free shipping and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too -Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/9l268n36 #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Direct deposit and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Mr. Sagan's serial data and serial sister. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. We have so much to get into and I am very lucky to bring. bring an expert in the field of everything. Zach Peter, of no filter with Zach Peter, is here. And Zach, I mean, I was on vacation. And this is how dutiful his life's work has come to a climactic point.

And I got a text from him. And he was like, oh my God, Heather, what did you write me? that Blake's case has been dismissed Well, it's been gutted. Most of it has been dismissed at this point. Blake suing Justin Baldoni for that she was sexually harassed, which we have always questioned the validity

and the facts of that element of her claims for so many reasons. And, you know, we covered it a lot here, but Zach was always like head of the steps, reading all the stuff. really in the forefront It is, I feel like when they do the

Made for TV movie Which they don't do Made for TV movies When they do the streamer movie About your life I think this is a pinnacle chapter Well I hope that if they do a movie About Blake and Baldoni That there's like a caricature of me

That like is the YouTuber Or the TikToker And there should be a parody character that is based on me because I was one of the only people that never joined the Blake Lives Matter Coalition and believed her story from day one. I was the only one that questioned the New York Times article and I took my beatings from the internet accordingly and I can now fully sit in my vindication. Do you feel like you're one of those people like, I was on the right side of history? I'm always on the right side of history. And sometimes it takes a few years for the history to catch up

to Zach. And you know, Is there anybody that you could see playing yourself? Because I want to warn you, I've only had one time a person play me in like a reenactment. And it was Hollywood ghost stories. Oh. And I told a story of where I thought I was in a hotel with a ghost. And part of my story was when I travel and do stand-up. So there was a girl playing me.

And when I saw it, I was not thrilled. With the choice of the of the, they just picked like what you would think would be a brunette standup, but it didn't look like me at all. And so I just want to warn you, who knows what will end up being. Listen, let's be real. It's going to be a lifetime movie. So I'm going to get some like low budget, like, you know, real TikToker that's going to be grateful for five minutes of camera time. Okay. Well, for the people putting it together, you know, you can easily just, you don't need to, there used to be a thing for in castings where they would. say we're looking for a Kathy Griffin type. We're looking for it. And there was a story of Tracy Ellis Ross, who said she saw the breakdown and said they're like, we're looking for a Tracy Ellis Ross type. And she's like, why can't it be me?

No one's called me to do it. So you could actually get the real deal. I hope so. I'm available. So let's, I mean, in this saga, explain. Okay, so 13 of the things, 10 were thrown out. Correct.

Those all had to do with her claiming she was sexually harassed on set during the filming of this and us. It ends with us. Yeah. Sorry. It ends with us. Yes. So there were multiple claims that she was making, including sexual harassment, toxic work environment, defamation, retaliation, all of these things. And 10 of 13 have been dismissed, including the key ones being sexual harassment thrown out.

So that's because the judge really looked at all the evidence and there was nothing that would justify this going further or what? Yes and no. So it, because you'll hear a lot of the Blake supporters say, oh, well, it was dismissed on a technicality, which is sort of true, but also not because the judge broke it down. And I think it's 152 pages, his full ruling. And he goes into each of her different claims. And he makes it clear that, you know, or he at least. gives his professional opinion as to why those specific allegations wouldn't stand at trial. And so he dismissed it.

The biggest piece of evidence that really came back to bite her is this PGA letter that she wrote, where she was requesting a... Producers Guild. Correct. A producer's Guild Association. And so she wanted the PGA credit on this film by saying, I did all of these things. And she broke it down and listed all 70 things that she did, including overseeing HR on a daily basis. Okay. That's one of the things that she wrote in the letter as to why she deserved this credit.

And so then that is what combats her claims. That she didn't have any power on set. And she wasn't a vulnerable employee. So he's like, well, no, she wasn't an employee. She was an independent contractor. She wasn't an underling. She wasn't, yeah. Correct. She had a lot of power on the set.

So she wasn't classified as an employee. She was classified as an independent contractor who did yield some. power on the set of it ends with us. And he even gets more specific. Like there was one allegation where she's like, Justin Baldoni described his genitalia to me. And then you get into the context behind that conversation. And it was before the movie even started,

before she'd even agreed to be in the movie. And it was in regard, she was pregnant with her son. And Ryan Reynolds was there. The nannies were there. They were hanging out at their house, which she likes to refer to as Buckingham Palace, which we learned from the Taylor Swift text messages.

That's what she calls her house. And they were talking about. weird. Yeah. Just to like. Well, she says because so many, I'm a queen. So many famous people come in and out of there that it's like Buckingham Palace, I believe is the message that she. Okay.

That's annoying. Go on. Yeah. So, but the conversation they were having was about her baby boy and whether, and it was her first boy and whether or not she was going to circumcise him. And so in this conversation where Justin Baldoni was not her boss at the time, I guess it came up that he is circumcised. And so in the context of talking about circumcision for a baby, the baby that she was about to give birth to. So the judge is like, well, no, that doesn't, that doesn't qualify as sexual harassment. And so all of these pieces or all of these different allegations just didn't rise to the degree of sexual harassment.

If you lump them all together, sure, but then you factor in she was not an employee. She had a lot of power on the set. So the sexual harassment piece was one of the biggest ones that got dismissed. Yeah, I mean, really in studying it too and going through this for the last year and a half, it was like every single thing really had. a circumstantial reason and explanation to it. And really what was the most fascinating part was in myself in analyzing it was what she, who she is as a person as an actress, married to Ryan Reynolds, as someone who's been married to someone for 10 years,

who's pushing 40, who has four kids, who is excited to have a little crush at work. Yeah. who then, you know, what I like about what I do on Juicy Scoop, whether it's house private or this, is these stories are relatable. Yeah. They are relatable. And so it's like she, what I believe happened, it was a rolling effect of where someone should

have stopped the train. Yeah. And it was this whole thing happened. There was arguments or whatever. And she let Ryan Reynolds know that he had come on. to her that this was going on and then that sparked, I don't want him even near me at

the premiere and because Ryan Laredo's is more famous and because she's the more famous face. They just wanted to like keep her happy, let's get through this fucking thing. And when that press came out and everything, it's the movie still did well people were fine. Then there was like

a little bit of like, oh, she's kind of a bitch on other shows and stuff that popped up. And this is where you make a mistake, whether you You're a small content creator or Blake lively. You start listening and reading and thinking the entire world thinks you're something that you're not. And you start spiraling. And then you have a husband that's like, let's spiral together.

Yeah. And then fuck this guy. And now we're off to the races. We're going to destroy him. And whether he believed her or not, whether she believed herself, whether they exaggerated, whether someone put it in their head that this is a real thing and it's really happening. The fact that there was no one to just go, stop. Yeah.

Stop. Just chill a minute. You're all, you're going to be fine. You're absolutely going to work again. Give it a fucking minute. Louis C.K. is selling out Madison Square Garden. Give it a fucking second.

Yep. People will forget that there was, that you have a little bit of a dismissive bitchy attitude with a makeup artist. Who cares? Had she just let this play out, another simple favor with Anna Kendrick was coming out the next year. She'd already filmed it. And I think had she had just let the dust settle and went straight into another simple favor. Like the movie itself, like it's very campy and it's a little cheesy. But it wasn't bad.

Another simple favor. Yeah. The sequel. It wasn't bad. And I think people, I mean, I think people are hating the movie because they dislike her. But I think had she just let that play out and that movie came out, I think people, people would hit she would have won people over again i actually was a huge fan of the first movie of simple favor i thought i loved it i thought it i thought it was funny i thought she was really good

yeah whether she was playing herself or not who cares like that's kind of interesting yeah she was great i i originally didn't think she was terrible in the town i love that movie yeah now i die at how bad it is i die at the parodies of people doing her like how she's like oh you're the crime stopper you figure it out. God, you know, I'm a drug addict. Charlie's going to know what's going to happen. Now I'm like, oh my God, that was like really bad. And then people look further into it.

And they're like, why was Ben Affleck driving around at 2 a.m. while he was married to Jennifer? Affleck or whatever. And, you know, so then you're all those things. But still, people move on so quickly. And even women who hate on women and whatever, they move on so quickly. There's a new story in a week and a half.

In her case, God, learn from it. Like, relax. Put your phone down. Yeah. Go on a vacation with your family. Like, just chill. I think to that same point, I think she thought, let's just do the New York Times article and we'll bury him there.

I think she thought that that's where it was going to end. And then he just, he called up Steve Sarowitz, his, you know, his, um, the executive from his production company, who's a billionaire. and he's just like, we're fighting this. And they did. And they fought back and they came back swinging and now, you know, here we are. But it's interesting. So do you think that she and Ryan and her team never thought, again, in strategizing what you want to do?

And then, and the team wanting to please her. Yeah. Okay. This is what you want to do. You know, and being a sycophane or not really saying or just being too dumb to not go, okay. So Justin Mildoni, he's best known for being the actor on what was it called? Jane the Virgin. Jane the Virgin.

He's cute. He's done some directing. He's not, you know, Martin Scorsese. So fuck him. We're going to bury him because you think, because really he like wasn't into you and you think he called you fat. Yeah. Okay, whatever. And so let's do that. So nobody said, but now wait a minute, honey, what if he doesn't crawl back into a hole and start doing, you know, a hallmark movie on the side and move to Canada? Yeah. What if his partner who is a billionaire is like, I'm a fucking billionaire, dude. No, no, no. I know you're a good guy. We're going to fight this. Do you think that's what happened?

Do you think nobody said there's someone behind him that might not crawl into Canada's Hallmark? Well, they always knew that he would, that Sarowitz would step in because they named Sarowitz in the lawsuit as well. So they barked up that treat. They named Sarowitz. They named Jamie Heath. They named Justin Baldoni, his publicist Jennifer Abelon, his crisis manager, Melissa

Nathan. whom have now been completely dismissed. So the only defendants left in this lawsuit are Wayfair the studio and it ends with us the LLC that we're producing the film. So all of them have been dismissed personally. So just it's not even Blake's battle against Justin Baldoni anymore because he's been dismissed. It's just his studio that stands as a defendant. But I do think they knew that that would be a possibility, but that's why they put so many of these legal protections in place. Like they were really, really smart about how they went about this lawsuit. I just don't think they expected, because once you throw out allegations coming off of, you know,

Me Too and Times Up and all of that, once you throw those allegations out there, there's kind of always that stink on you regardless. And so I think they thought that that would just be enough to, you know. And also do you think this will be like, you know, crisis PR like 101 like case study, like what to do, what not to do, like going forward in a digital world when she said in her statement like this is about digital violence. Yeah. And I'm like, girl, then we're all victims of digital violence. Anybody that, someone who has 200 followers and their best friend looked at their story but didn't like it.

They're a victim of digital violence. Like, I mean, come on. Well, that's the, so that's what's going forward to trial now is that retaliation piece. So there are two, sorry, three claims that are moving forward. it's the retaliation in part, it's breach of contract, and it's breach of implied covenant. So the case has really been reduced to a contract dispute and whether or not the studio violated their contract by retaliating against her. But so what she'll have to prove in court now is, one, she has to prove that she doesn't

have to prove sexual harassment, but she has to prove that she did formally bring allegations against them, which as of right now, based off all the evidence we have, there's no evidence that she brought. There are no HR complaints. There's no, you know, emails or text messages to any of the Sony executives. We have one Sony executive, Angie Giannetti, who has already come out and said that, no, there were never any formal complaints that were brought against Baldoni or any of the parties. So she has to prove that there were legit claims that were brought. Then she has to prove that retaliation did take place. And this is where she's going to have to say the smear campaign was real. And she's going to have to prove that and not that he was just

defending himself, but that they were intentionally trying to harm her reputation. And then three, she's going to have to prove that they did and tried to harm her reputation specifically because she brought these allegations and they were retaliating against her for bringing forth those allegations. But even when it comes down to the contract dispute, and this is what the jury is going to have to determine, with the contract, it's really writing on this 17-point list of demands that she made. She halted production halfway through, and she said these are 17-point.

points that I want to make sure for the next phase of production are met. They said, okay, fine, whatever. Give her whatever she wants. We'll sign the agreement and say, yes, all 17 points of those will agree to you. One of them mean we won't retaliate against you. What that means, nobody really knows, which is what a jury is going to have to define, but they say, okay, sure, we won't, we won't retaliate against you. But that specific contract, the terms of that are really going to be what the jury's going to have to look at because it was in relation to production. These things cannot happen during production. And at the end of production,

she signed an agreement saying none of these things happened. The second phase of production went by smoothly. And the alleged retaliation happened after production. It happened during the promotional tour. So we don't even know if that retaliation even would apply in this case.

I mean, and this is why people are like, maybe AI and Hollywood isn't such a bad idea. Like, seriously. Like, my God. I mean, the movie was so not good. Like, it made no sense that this like,

that she has this flower shop that, you know, is just all boarded up. But somehow she manages to get the least to do dry, black, dry flower arrangements. And then the rich sister is like, I'm bored. I'm just walking around with my Birkin. And I just want to, like, work anywhere. I just would like to get a job. So I'm just knocking on a door that's all boarded up and dusty. Do you want me to help you?

And I don't want to come in once the place is clean. let's not hire anyone to help clean it up. Let me just, let's turn on the music. And so I have to say, like, it was lame. There were so many lame things about the movie. So it's just like, it wasn't even good. Well, that's Colleen Hoover's problem. Yeah, it's true.

But it was lame. So, yeah, now it moves forward to trial, May 18th. And then the sequence, the sequel, what happens to that? There is no sequel. I don't think. I mean, he still technically owns. I thought there was a second book that was a second book. There's a second book.

It's called it starts with us. He owns the rights to the second book to make it into a film. If he wants to, I doubt that he will. Oh my God. His character isn't even in it. Or is not really in it. I wonder if he will though just to like be like, you know what? This is the full circle moment.

And what if it was really fucking good? Like what if he got someone to rewrite it? I guess he could. And it turns out to be great. And he's like five years later here is the, you know, the cherry on the shit Sunday. day, but it actually tastes good. I don't know. I think he would get support. I think people would show up in theaters for him. Amazing. Spring is officially here, which means I suddenly have the overwhelming urge to open all the windows, deep clean my house, and completely reinvent my wardrobe.

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One last time, daily look.com and promo code, juicy scoop. Well, Savannah Guthrie, she spoke on Easter, a video that was picked up a lot of places. I think knowing that she was going to come back today. Yeah. To the Today show. And saying it's her home. I'm home. And then some people are in the comments were like, you're home.

That's kind of a weird thing to say since your mother was taken for her home. I remember like thinking if and when would she come back? People speculated I would never want to be in the public eye again. This was obviously related to her or not. Other people saying, yeah, but when you lose someone in your life, whether it's a parent or a child, you need to get back into a routine. And why wouldn't you?

It's an easy job. It's a fun job that you liked. And I thought, I think my prediction was like that she would go back in September. because I thought she'll take the rest of the school year off, then the kids and her will like go on vacation and then once they go back to school, she'll be like, okay. But it also could be contractual and mentally, yeah,

sometimes you just need to move on, you know, and just go back to your job, no matter what the tragedy is. I think September probably would have been the smarter decision. And she didn't even need to go back to the Today Show. She could have written a book. You know, she would have gotten a good, good deal about healing from grief and like she could have really turned this into you know her

her next chapter in life um i i predicted that she was going to do a sit down with hodacopi before it was announced that that was going to be the one-on-one and i predicted that by the end of that interview that we would have a date for her return which we got april 6th which has now happened she came back and joy is her protest that's the the tagline that they're going with joy is her protest. What do you mean? So it means be happy, like, don't. You're not going to, you robbed her of her mom, but you're not going to rob her of her joy.

Okay. Her joy in life. Okay. All right. It's just not that I'm trying to judge her, but it is very soon to be embracing the joy of life, considering you still haven't found your mother. And you don't seem very upset about the investigation into finding your mother. But yeah, listen, she's back.

it is a little soon, but I think Hoda Cotby was gunning for that spot. So I still think now I do think it was not something as like calculating and weird and conspiracy and about her and what she's reported on and all that. I do think

it was just a crime that happened like a John Bonae that we might never know what happened. but it happened. It happened and she's no longer with us and it was then they took her and then fake people did the ransom. And it was like either they meant to kill her or they didn't meant to kill her, but they took her and they left the house in a panic. And whoever that is, whether it's a deviant essay or they didn't mean to kill her and they were just trying to rob the house or they're just some weird dude that knew that a rich lady lived down the street whose grandparents would watch her daughter. Savannah on the news every day and he was like,

that house must be rich. And he was like, dumb and did this. I don't know. I don't think. That's, I thought. I don't think, well, the latest reports have come out that the house was pretty clean. So whoever did this, I think,

cleaned up after themselves, which makes the blood on the porch a little more suspicious and then the back doors being wide open, also suspicious. I think the family knows what happened. I do. And what do you think happened? I think something happened to her. I mean, I've played around with a few different theories,

but I think it all goes back to the sister Annie and the brother-in-law, Tamaso. They were the last ones to see her alive. I mean, you do juicy crimes. You know that statistically and with the pattern of crime, it's usually somebody close to the subject, number one, and number two, you have to look at what could the motivations be? And then when you look at the traditional motivations, it probably wasn't a crime of passion.

Nobody was having an affair with Nancy Guthrie. You know, so it's probably financial. Well, who had the financial motivation? Well, Annie is a poet and Tomaso is a substitute teacher and they just bought a house last summer. So how are they funding their life if it wasn't motivate or if it wasn't linked back to possibly Nancy, who was also, they were also her caretaker? So then why do you think that Savannah, because it is her sister, she just doesn't want to believe it. She doesn't want more pain to the family. Like, because that's what I originally thought, too.

I thought the mother is helping them. Or even she secretly was helping her son-in-law. He was convincing her that he was going to do this great business and Bitcoin. Who knows? And she gave money or was giving money. And finally they had that last meal. And she either told them both or told him privately, I'm not going to help you anymore.

And then something happened, whether it was intentional or not. Yeah. But, well, if she's gone, then we will get the money. And there was something that happened with the house recently where they're like, they are able to, it doesn't have to just stay. It could go in the trust in meaning now they could sell it and stage it and then use the money. Or they could clean it up and they could move into it, the brother-in-law and the sister. Sell their house.

And then they could sell their house. and they could live on that. And then that way, if the mother ever came back, her house is still there. Yeah. And not sold. Yeah. No, I agree. I mean, it's just there are too many unanswered questions and there's not enough

outrage, I think, from the family and not enough utilization of all of these resources like the Today Show and NBC that could have been used in the first two, three, four, five, six, seven weeks of this case. And the whole, the rest of the world was more invested in finding Nancy Guthrie. So I think Savannah came because she believed her mother was missing. And then listen, if your sister comes to you and is like, holy shit, we accidentally killed her. We needed to get rid of her. Like if it was an accident, it was unintentional, something.

Would you cover up for your sister? Well, look at the theory with Jonbenet. I don't know, maybe. Look at the theory with John Bonnet Ramsey. The theory is that they covered up for the brother for the son. For the pineapple. But then you take it a step further, right? Could she be covering up for Annie?

maybe, but then you go a step further and you're like, well, what other motivations would Savannah have outside of protecting her family? You also have her job and her reputation. If she's known as the woman whose sister murdered the mom, you're forever going to live with that scandal. But if you're the woman whose mom never was found, then everybody can watch you come back to the Today Show in your bright yellow dress and joy cometh in the morning. You know, joy is your protest. Like you get to then just be the lady who lost her mom rather than the lady who sister killed the mom. And when you think about, because she's so aware of these cases, I think about it too. I was like watching, you know, these crime documentaries and things.

And I'm like, people don't realize that every time there's an appeal, every time that, like then the poor victims, the victims of the family have to go to the court, have to live through it again, have to go through it. So it's always like, oh, you know, they were just about to catch the guy and he ran into the woods and killed himself. Thank God. Thank God. We don't have to live through a trial in this. You know, it's because it's just, and then, you know, and then people write about you and then people talk about you and forever

and they do movies about it and you don't like the person that played you. And like, it does, it's like when you're, and people don't realize like, you know, there's always, you always think of the mother or the child of a victim. People don't think about the sibling. Yeah.

The, you know, the Eastern nephew, the person that had to live through it and it changed the trajectory. directory of their life because someone close to them was a victim. Yeah, very juicy, very juicy because we don't know. And that's why it is interesting. And all these factors are something that we can never, there's never been something like this before where a regular, you know, one of the most famous faces in the world because she does a national morning show. Not her child, but her mother. You know, it's like the Lindbergh baby from a long time. But like,

These things are, yeah, and Jean-Meney wasn't, they weren't famous, but they, because she did the pageants, because of all that. And then what happens is they know that these magazines, any time for the last 30 years, well, there's some weird guy in prison who says that he shared a cell with some guy who talked about John Manet. Okay, at least you're bored, you're out the, you know, all right, I'll buy that magazine, backboard magazines or I'll click on that. So they know that there's certain stories that no matter how many years go by, OJ, whatever. Yeah. For 30 years. Finally, the OJ articles have stopped because he's dead. Yeah.

But like it literally, anytime there was a slow period, it was like the story would come up again or a new movie would be done. Yeah. Because everyone's like, oh, I know that one. Yeah. And it's juicy. And that'll be this. It's just, I don't think it will ever. I don't think it will be, though, because it's, it isn't a beautiful blonde with who is married to a famous football player.

who maybe was selling drugs or had a lover. The whole OJ was so, you know what I mean? It's like those factors. It wasn't a beautiful little dog. So I kind of think, I think this story is going to die. And I think it's dead already. Like it's dead. The sheriff keeps telling us this could take years to solve,

but she's probably still alive out there, which makes no fucking sense. And then you have Savannah who's just like moving on. I mean, her sit down with Hoda gave us absolutely nothing other than, remember, I'm sad. and so that when I go back to the Today Show, don't judge me. Like, that was the whole premise of that interview. I just want to go work.

Three parts. Yeah. We did three parts. Over two days, they milked the hell out of that interview and gave us absolutely nothing. No. That's why there aren't any clips or anything because there was nothing to clip from it. And even, you know, and Hoda was a terrible interview from Hoda's end because she has no follow.

Even easy follow-ups. Like when Savannah's like, we believe at least two of the ransom notes were real. Okay. Why? What made you believe that two of them? them were real. And also, even the bigger fucking question is, why didn't you pay them? Yeah. The initial

offering for the mom was $2,500 before the FBI stepped in and then upped it to 50. And then the FBI upped it to 100. And it took what? Over a month before Savannah's like, you know what, okay, I guess now I'll put in a million dollars and go home to New York. And it's like... But didn't she also say, I did want

to offer a million like the first couple days and the detectives or whatever said don't? She hasn't said that, but that is the speculation is that it was likely the sheriff or the FBI that encouraged her not to do that. But that's what we've seen. I mean, the rampies put that out there early on.

Every time there's a, you know, a kidnap ransom movie type of thing, it's always like go meet us at this, you know, phone booth with a million dollars. And you're like, well,

if I do this, there's no, how do I? And then, but if you call the police, we're going to kill your kid. And you're always like, well,

what do I do? So it's always like, what do you do? But the kidnapper is going to play it out on TMZ? Like, it just didn't make any, it didn't make any sense. I mean, and also, there was no search party. There were no cadaver dogs. There was no family with her face on the shirts going out digging into the desert.

Like you traditionally see with high profile kidnappings. Even to this day, the sheriff is not even considering that this could be a homicide. They still believe that there's this crazy old, lady snatcher that just took her in the middle of the night and poof she disappeared. It's like, you don't just lose a whole ass lady in 2026 with zero documentation, evidence, footage, GPS, anything. She had a pacemaker that was connected to Bluetooth and poof, this lady disappeared. Aliens had to have come and taken Nancy Guthrie at this point. All we have are little drops of blood, which also mind you, the drops of blood, there was no splatter of blood. There was no footprint

and stepping the blood in. It's just convenient little drops that are going right out to the driveway that Brian Enton was able to come in in less than 48 hours to come and film with his phone and post that on the internet. I'm not accusing Brian of anything,

but I'm just saying, who's Brian? Brian, oh, he's one of the news nation. He's the lead reporter that's kind of been in Arizona covering this from the beginning. But the crazy part is he was just able to within the first couple of days

walk right up to the crime scene and film the blood on his phone. It's like, when do you ever have blood in a crime scene that's not closed off to the public. Like reporters are walking up to her porch. It was just, yet the pool guy in the first week going and cleaning her pool. And it was so strange and so bizarre. And it just felt like-

Yeah, she's going to have a pool party. The whole thing was so weird. And it's like, yeah, you wonder like, is this just the shoddy's police work ever? Is it they actually do have major scoop that they're keeping under wraps so that they actually have a case so they're acting like we're not looking at the brother-in-law.

Yeah. Because, I mean, that happens a lot when like a husband kills a wife. They act like everything's fine and it can be like two years later and they were looking, you know, so it's like, and they, but they make the person relax.

Yeah. They don't even call them anymore for interviews. They're just like, we're getting our ducks in a row. So we'll see. We'll see. Maybe it will be, maybe we'll never. hear it about again or maybe we will. That's the only thing I'm thinking that, yeah, everyone's criticizing our stupid county,

but we actually just, you wait, you know, like. I'm hoping. Bring the lady home. So, Summer House, which is the hottest show to be talked about since Vanderpump's Scandival. This is where these kids all go in the summer. They rent a house that's been going on for 10 years, and many of them date each other. They have these parties and they go every weekend in the summer.

And Kyle and Amanda met on the show. They got married. Every summer they fight. They don't have kids. And, you know, some people have been on a little while. Other people come in. And then a couple years ago, this guy named West came in. Some people call him Wes.

That's the biggest controversy. Some people say, is it named Wes or West? He comes in, not my type. He's kind of cute. But he's kind of funny. And so he's a good reaction. show person. And then this beautiful girl, Sierra, comes in. She's black and gorgeous and just one of the most attractive people. And they have a flirty situation on and off this summer. Amanda and Kyle,

Kyle creates this liquor company called Lover Boy, which is like Salsa drinks. And he's like, you need to help me more. And she's like, I hate working, but I have a good body. I want to have bikinis. And then he's just like, you don't support me. And then he's like, you want to be a bikini designer, well, I want to be a DJ. And then she's like, what? And then he becomes a DJ, which he was good. We saw him at the show after Bromukk. Yeah. I had a good fucking tie with him.

And he was very nice afterwards and he DM me. And he said, thank you for your support. You had a good time and blah, blah, blah. Everyone's like, I can't believe he's a DJ. He needs to be staying home with his wife and being a better husband. He shouldn't be at nightclubs. Thank God he became a DJ because then Amanda was fucking West.

And they're going to get divorced. and so thank God he has a DJ company because the lover boy company is suffering financially. And then some people, you know, then there's more speculation where people were too harsh on Amanda that she's walking around the Hamptons with the scarlet letter A, not for Amanda, but adultery. And then, you know, she, Sierra was such a good friend to her. And when she knows that Sierra was still pining for her ex West. and then West, did he deceive his friend, Kyle, and why, you know, so what are your thoughts? And then we'll get into some more elements. Is this a Scandival or no? It's not the level of Scandival and it's certainly not. Like, these players aren't important enough.

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remembers that. Like, she's been very forgettable when it comes to anything outside of Summerhouse. I think that this was like a Lindsay Hubbard or a Paige DeSorbo, who are, I think, the breakout stars of the show. Or, I mean, Kyle Cook, I guess Kyle is the star of the show. But I think Sierra just, you know, she wasn't the star. And Amanda's also not that interesting. And West is so new to the franchise that he's not that interesting. No, I mean, West is just a typical, he's a triple a triple thirst bucket. Yeah. He wants to be,

he wanted to be a reality star and so he was. He is a player. He flirts with women. You know, he's flirted with other women in the Bravo world that I know for a fact

in which he like was writing them saying like we could have a PR moment like when a younger person goes for an older real housewife, let's go. So yeah, let's fuck, but also like we could also play this out. So he's very publicity hungry and he's a player and he's been DMing other women.

So she left who everyone thought was an annoying child, Kyle, to be with the one, you know, she's just that girl that a guy shows interest in. He's a love bomber and she went for it. And people were speculating if this was true. And then they came out with a statement, it is. Wild. And everybody was like, oh, my. God. And then Sierra, there was something being that she is a black woman, some people felt

that this made it extra bad because sometimes white guys just want to experience a beautiful black woman. I think it was a typical fling in which he was a player. She wanted more. He's just a fuck boy. I don't think that meant anything. But as her friend and Sierra was such a good friend to Amanda when Amanda's crying every day about being with Kyle and not knowing if she's going to owe two million dollars in lover boy or not because they don't have a pre-in-up and they kind of want to get divorced and everyone's tired of hearing them fight. That's where it was like it was deceptive.

Yes, I think the deception is Amanda and Sierra. I mean, but people are really putting a lot of pressure on this relationship between Sierra and West. Sierra and West dated for a summer in 2023. It's been three years. Yeah. And they dated for a little bit. And since then, we have seen West be abhorrent and, you know, be a whore and sleep with all these women. And he's a douchebag player.

He's not the prize that either of them should be fighting over. But I do agree. I think Amanda's betrayal of Sierra is the worst part of it all. But I also think Amanda's been in a loveless marriage for a long time where she's never been emotionally fulfilled. Call Alison Dubois. He'll never emotionally fulfill you. And Kyle never did. And so now she's technically single.

And West is also single. Even though he was still kind of keeping Sierra on the burner, they were, you know, Sierra hated him after they dated. And then she blasted him at the, I think, season eight reunion, and they weren't friends throughout season nine. And then season 10 comes in, and now she's kind of giving him a second chance. And, you know, and he's not committing to her because he's not the commitment type of guy. And I think Amanda got, I think he likes to go after the girls that are unavailable.

Amanda was unavailable because she was married to Kyle and that's where we see her and West be kind of flirty and have this really flirty relationship throughout season 10 and then now Amanda's out of her relationship is looking for some sort of emotional connection which I think West being a love bomber was giving her and he also knew like I probably shouldn't go for her because she's you know she's friends

and she just came from my friend Kyle's marriage and like now she's technically single So I think it was just forbidden fruit. They fell for each other, and it's more infatuation than anything. And now they have to commit because they blew everything up. And then the lemonade of it is that they have this spinoff called The City and Kyle, who's now was always the villain. Everyone hated him.

Now women are feeling sore for him. They're saying, how can we support lover boy or, you know, alcohol can company? What can we do? Can I have it at my baby shower? Can we support the scorned woman of Kyle? I saw somebody did a little funny Photoshop of him being the next Roxy Hart. And in Chicago, and I thought that was brilliant. I'm sorry, who's ever joke it was, it was not mine.

I thought it was really funny. Anyway, it's good. I'm glad that you are a DJ making 20,000 a year. Loverboy might make it or not. And now everyone's going to watch your spinoff. Yeah. So, and you guys had a horrible marriage anyway. He doesn't even seem that bad about it.

I think he's like, well, you know, and then they go meet to walk the dogs. And this is the 30AF club, put this together. And Amanda's wearing his hat that Wes used to wear, a shirt that Wes has, the same headphones. She's got all his clothes on to go meet Kyle to walk the dogs. and he's telling, you know, reporters like, leave her alone. You know, she's mentally, she has mental health issues. You cannot be on a reality show if you can't take the mean bitches on the internet. And, you know, learn from Blake lively.

Digital violence. Like, but now you've run on the show for 10 years. What else are you going to do? Get a job at, you know, Neiman Marcus, which is closing. What are you going to do? So I get it. Stay on the show. Who knows, though?

Sometimes, listen, sometimes affairs happen or whatever where someone very close to you, this is why in the Bible it says, thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife. It's oftentimes someone you know that's in your circle, that, you know, you're going to swing with, that you're going to do whatever, that lives next door, that's the mom that you acted like you're best friends with. I'm always fascinated by the woman who goes after her best friend's dude. That's why we were fascinated by Scandival And she's you know And Sierra had shown being such a good friend Now the other thing that came up is

Wait hold on, let me just okay So first of all I want to ask about these parties So they always have these parties every weekend And it's always a theme And this one was let's be old people Or whatever theme But they had like prosthetics and all that stuff So clearly right

The producers have to come in and give them all this costume I mean, it was like, it was like complete makeup and awful theme for a party. Yeah. You know, I think it was somebody's birthday. And so they're like, oh, you're getting old. So it's all dressed up as old people. But then everybody else at the party, nobody dressed up as old. So it's just the stars of it doing the walkers and the tits.

Yeah. I mean, I get it. Like Vanderpom started to do. Everything was a theme. Let's be in drag. And whatever. It was just lame. Okay.

So then, and like, Carl, you know, is. looking older. And, but he launched his non-alcoholic, um, restaurant, drink place. And maybe it'll do okay. Maybe it'll do okay. But I wanted to wait. I wanted to say that this was interesting. So then this girl, Toronto pop zone, people think that it was interesting when Paige was dating,

um, Craig and she was on the show. And Craig and Amanda were very huggy, very supportive. And at one moment, someone also caught. an old episode where Paige is sitting across from Craig, her boyfriend, and Amanda is sitting next to Craig at dinner and they're holding hands. I have never in my life hugged a man like this that's not my husband or son or gay best friend or whatever. I have never hugged someone else's man like that or held another man's hand like that in my life. to re-hugged Maricio after her burglary.

Right, she kissed his... His head, right? No, his like shoulder or something. So it's weird. I think Amanda's just that kind of girl that is very... Like, she doesn't know boundaries with guys and she just doesn't realize...

She's a girl that does the piggyback ride. Oh, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha. You're carrying me on your shoulder. He's like, my brother. Shut up. Well, then you're a brother-fucker. Yeah. that was from simple.

Blake life. That was from Simple favor. That was such a good. That was so good. Okay. This guy came across Kurt Walker, and I loved this little video he did. He said, I have some scoop on West. And he didn't say scoop, but it's okay if you did.

I want to tell you about it. And I do think this says anything. It says something about a person. And when I tell you, I think everyone will agree. that this says a lot. He said they were at the summer house party at the house. He goes, which are not fun and lame, and I think we can tell. And the party ended and a couple of them, including West, said, yeah, we want to go out with you guys at the local bar.

So lucky for him, I can imagine how hard it is, he got the table. He knew somebody that had, they got on the VIP table behind the DJ booth. And they give them wristbands. and everybody, when you go to stage coach or anything like that or Coachella coming up this weekend, everyone knows not to do it super tight in case you want to skip out on the third day,

whatever, they make it really, really hard, you have to have a very tiny rest or whatever. But this was just, he gives them there's a span and is like, don't tighten it so that, you know, we can go back and forth or bring someone into the thing. He said, he gave it to Wes who immediately

tightened the shit out of it on his own wrist. Of course. And I think that says everything. Yeah. It wasn't your night. You didn't get the table. You didn't buy the wristbands.

But you're so entitled because you're this big star that you think that you're allowed to do that. And so then this cat couldn't leave the booth. Couldn't get a piss. Couldn't go say how to a friend.

And he was the one that hooked up the whole fucking thing. So I think that says it all. West is that guy. You know, he's not. And he also, like, you know, he, I think he knows how to pander to the Bravo audience. He knows how to say, like, before all this scandal, like, the girls did like him because of his personality or he was funny. I just always saw him as a hack and he just always knew what to say and, like, how to, you know, get them to like him, which to me just always came across very disingenuous.

But, I mean, he is cute. I think he's a cutie. his little belly. All right, good for you. I also love Austin Kroll. I love all the bad ones. Yeah. He's fun. Madison! That was my favorite era of Southern Charm. Real House of the Beverly Hills. Okay, so they're in Italy and it comes down to Derreet, which by the way, I've noticed she does this thing that's kind of annoying, where she's always like, she's always like, whatever she's talking, she's like, well, I'll tell you, like, it was, like, she's always, like, parched a little bit and

trying to get it out. And she's always like, why is it that Kyle was so determined to make everyone realize that I was an issue and let me know that everybody is against me. That is what Kyle did. And to me, that is inexcusable. And then for Erica to get so upset because Bose has, Like, I don't know. So, everyone is like, bitch, you've been late a lot. And it's been really fucking annoying. And then she's like, I'm going through a very hard time, Erica. And Erica's like, so have I.

Why? What's been going on with you? What's been going on with me? I still live in a rental. I am still being sued for like a billion dollars. My husband is in prison. Screwed everybody over, including me. And it is in prisons with Alzheimer's.

I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like it was when she said that I was like oh my god Well you don't talk about it Erica Don't talk about it because I had to talk about it for the last three years But you could still check in with you. You don't think it's fucking stressful Yeah like oh my god and so then she They've just had it with her and she is a smoker and she's been smoking the whole time she's been on

And that's another thing that they couldn't reveal but now that smoking's in they can but that lots of times she'd be off, not checking on her kids, but having a cigarette break. And I remember that back in the old days of working at Robinson's May, that I thought, wow, the smokers get to leave the building. They get to leave the building and have a break. And I was like, at one point, do I develop smoking? Do I say I have an elderly mother that I have to get home to? Because I don't have a kid. Like when I was single as a non-smoker, you got no fucking breaks at a regular.

job. And I've said it over and over again, this is a job. Yeah. And the longer they're on it, the more they're like, I was at that boring fucking dinner for four hours and 32 minutes. And you left at three hours and 51 minutes. Therefore, I'm fucking mad. Why did I couldn't be in my bed scrolling TikTok 40 minutes earlier? This is why these shows. And they had to go to all the homeless, not toothless dinners. Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah. They did all that for Doree. They did all those things for Doreet and um you know so that's her deal what do you think i enjoyed erika lane into d'oree oh loved it was because i think there's just like it was a fatigue that i think the audience has felt of being like Doree like we get it you're going through a hard time but also like

kyle's going through a divorce rachel zo's going through a divorce bo's is having fertility issues sutton's going through this identity crisis where her kids are growing up and she's wanting to The Catholic Annalia. And her friend's dating him. Her old friend might marry her husband and the Catholic Church. I wish we were able to. I know that legally she has trouble getting into that type of stuff because of her ex. That's so interesting.

That's still so much that she's like everybody's going through something. But Doree just sucks up all of the oxygen in the room. And then when we had to watch. And then why should we feel sorry for you that P.K. wasn't paying your bills? And then you go buy four Gucci bags. Yeah. Which, come on. Like, you don't need four Gucci bags.

You don't need the Kelly. I wasn't like this was the one thing they make in Italy. And I've been wanting it my whole life. And it's going to go up in value. So yes, I did spend $30,000 on this thing because I see it as a little bit of a nesting. No, it was just like, no, I'm going to show you that I can buy four Gucci bags. And I was just like, ew. Yeah.

I don't want to hear you bitch about your money. It's like when you lend somebody money. And then they're like, I'm going to actually, could you add lobster to that Caesar? And you're like, okay, I thought you were broke. Yeah. Because I'm just having the regular Caesar. So like why? Anyway, it was frustrating.

And I, like, yeah, I think that. And then when Andy brought up, like, when she was on her home's live about the being late, being late on the plane, it's, you are never late. I'm not a late person. I believe there's three types of people in this earth, okay? There's the people who are 10 minutes early or always on time.

There's the people that are always 15 minutes late. and then they're the people that are an hour plus late who never feel bad about it who don't, it's like I'm here it's such, it's the most arrogant thing and the fact that she left

them on the plane walked in and was like where do I sit? I mean if that was me and I found myself in that position and it was something related to my kid I would be bawling I would be like I'm a piece of shit I cannot believe I made you guys wait I'm fucking a shit

of my human self. Like I tried to tell the producers they told me to wait. Like I would have just said it all. I would have been like, I can't imagine her just being like, well, no, now I do feel badly. Now you feel badly?

It's a fucking job. It's a job. Yeah. Even her apology. Again, a job that she needs. Right. She needs the job because PK's not paying rent. And also now, not that I'm team PK,

but not that I'm not team PK, but like I, I understand him not paying rent on the house because he's like, you're literally, you just got your book. Like, you know, her thing is like, well, the arrangement was you were supposed to always pay for the house and you were supposed to always pay for the bills. And after a while of her just draining all of the money, like, I would be. And no matter how good a divorce is and how rich you are, the spending that you had when you were in love. Yeah. If that's your transactional marriage that you can shop and he, you know, love you.

That's going to change. No one's fucking, and they're all living together. He's in an apartment. If you're going to keep the house, like curtail the glam, curtail the shopping. I am, look, I get it. I get it. Maricio is in this family drama. He is father, who, I guess he and his mother, he's the father and the mother divorced a long time ago.

He's had this girlfriend, the father, for 18 years, 18 years. and my understanding is they he and his sister are now suing this girlfriend of 18 years for um you know like they don't think she's taking care of the elderly father who has Alzheimer's well enough and they're suing over $400,000 which were gifts over the years that the father gave her and also that she spent the money on a facelift i don't have all the details okay i'm telling you what I'm telling you what I think. Fuck you if I was the girlfriend. Yeah.

Fuck you. 18 years is not 18 months. No. 18 years is significant. You're going on after 400,000. I would hope that if someone to be used, you're going after some fucking jewels that he gave her. And that she got a facelift.

Most women in Beverly Hills get a facelift after a certain age. Your own wife has gotten one. So is your sister-in-law. Your daughters have had work done. What does it matter? So the woman that took care of your dad for 18 years, and if he has Alzheimer's, whatever, oh, it's not up to the case.

So now she's not a good enough character. You go visit your dad who doesn't know who I am anymore. Yeah. She took care of him for 18 years. I'm sure he wasn't in pristine health 18 years ago. I'm sure he's slowly been deteriorating. And if they were never married, guess what, asshole? That's why you marry the girlfriend.

Because one day you might need her. to actually really take care of you. If you don't marry her, she's free to go. She's free to say, hey, your dad needs you guys to visit him and you need to put him in a home. Because I'm not in the will. I only got a few pieces of jewelry over the last 18 years. Yeah.

Isn't there a law in California, though, where if you're together for 10 years, there's, like, common? No, that changed when gay marriage passed. That's my understanding. the gays ruined it. It's called palomony doesn't exist. Sometimes we may need to reverse it sometimes. I think I see some of these people. My understanding is there was a time where palomone when you're with someone for seven years, you could sue for palomone saying I've become accustomed to this lifestyle.

Then a lot of gays would use that because they couldn't get married. And then my understanding is once they got married, that kind of went away. And so if you are in a non-marriage and you're in a transactional thing where one of you makes the money and maybe one takes care of the home or the kids or the pets, you've got to make sure that there is a, if you're not married, some type of agreement where you're like, for every year we're together, I get a million dollars. Or buy me this piece of property. It's called real estate for a real reason.

It's real property. It can't be jewelry that can be stolen. It can't be lost on a trip on the sea. It can't be revoked. You know, like put my name on a real piece of property. And then your nasty kids can't take it from me when you die. And they act like I never, I never was there for 12 Christmases. Yeah.

Then he was seen with, he's got a girlfriend, some girl from Love Island. I'm tired of him and all his little 23-year-old girlfriends. Well, she was, she has a house. Kyle has a house in Nashville. And she's been spotted by many people enjoying a cute lunch with Morgan Wade. I'm going to make you love me. Well, she came and bought a house in Nashville. I don't know why you live in here.

We're just friends. But good for her. Good for her. She's a fun town. She's Sierra chasing West. Or they just have a good time together. I could see her moving on from the House West. I'm very curious to know who will be in the cast next season.

I think there'll be a big shakeup in Beverly Hills. I think there has to be at this point. And they're moving towards such younger cast now. Like Rhode Island just premiered. Very young cast. Besides, I think this one woman who looks like Dolores, who from New Jersey pops over to like bring it together. But they had one episode. And the juiciest part of it is there's this really pretty girl who's like 30, who lives in an enormous, gorgeous home.

And she's had this boyfriend for like 10 years or something. And they're not married and she doesn't have kids. and he just goes, lives in Miami for six months when it's better to be in Miami than Rhode Island. And then when it's nice in Rhode Island, then he's her boyfriend. And she just waits around for six months, but she doesn't have to work.

So it pays off. And she comes out with story right away because she's like, this is probably why they picked me. Yeah. And I think because they're not married, either he doesn't even know she's doing this. And she's like, well, if you break up with me,

at least I've got a job. Yeah. Or she's like, well, you're going to realize how great I am and you're going to get rid of Miss Miami. But, I mean, now everybody knows who he is. Yeah. Who probably they've figured out who the woman he spends with in Miami. I mean, you know. And his dad was some famous judge or something.

And so he's there very, very wealthy. And he's. So that, I think is pretty juicy. Yeah. I mean, I think she was looking. I mean, at this point, the playbook has become so transparent, right? like Bronwyn. You're in a weird situation, so you go on the show to give you your second leg and then you can leave the relationship and, you know.

You either get your real estate license or you get on the real housewives. And then sometimes you have to do both. Yeah. Sometimes you have to do both. Gina from OC. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I honestly don't know if Rhode Island has legs. That's my hot take.

I wasn't, I kind of am like, look, I'm, I'm curious. I think it's interesting. groups of people. I think that people have said you're going to die. There's so much like juice behind it. That's what they said about Dubai. It's what they said about the Roney reboot. Well, we'll see. It's what they said about the Vanderpump reboot. I like the Ashley I is interesting. She's from the Bachelor. I was a fan of her because she was like an old virgin. And she then falls in love with the other guy she met on that was in the Bachelor franchise. they have two of the most beautiful boys. They kind of both,

they kind of look like brother and sister, first of all. And then they made like these beautiful, like, eyes are like, I don't know, they're just really cute. And so she's in the thick of it now. She's two little boys. They run this coffee shop. But he was from Rhode Island.

So, like, she gets in it. And I think that's interesting. But it's a lot, it's like, they're skewing it all so young now that it's just a lot of child rear. and I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I think the sweet spot of housewives is you are married and you have some kids, but they're kind of older and they're not really part of it.

Like maybe they're like 12 and above. Yeah. And so you have time to go out and go on things and you're not looking like a bad mom if you go spend a week in Ireland or whatever. And I just feel like right now there's a lot of shows that are a lot about little babies and little kids, but whatever. Might be good. I don't think it has legs.

I think it needs a scandal to keep it around. Otherwise, it's going to die like Dubai. All right. The Valley came back. On the poster, there's 13 people. That doesn't include Jesse's girlfriend. That's come to the play. Leasy.

The juiciest part was Lala, who her second daughter, Sosa, she went and you know, they shared it on Vanderpump rules and everything that she, after having the breakup of her relationship with her ex who produced her daughter, Ocean, then she wanted to have another baby. So she got, went to a sperm bank. And when I was talking to Lala back then, and she was telling me about it, I go, are you going to buy the whole lot? And she goes, what do you mean? And I said, if you can afford to or if they can give you a deal, you should

buy the whole lot. Because I have friends who have done this. And then they find out, you know, that, oh, well, maybe it's nice, but maybe it's not. My kid actually, there's 13 other people. But you could also not know and possibly those two people could fall in love, whatever. It's just so if you can. So she did do that. And they have this scene where she's joking with Luke, who's Kristen's fiancé and they have a baby together, that Sosa looks like him. And then he goes, I actually did donate sperm.

And she's like, ha-ha, but not to my sperm bank. And he goes, no, I did. And then they go back and they're like, she's like, he's this. He has a business degree. And he's like, I do have a business degree. Like, but I think did it, did a follow up that they actually did a test eventually and it's not his kid, right? Well, it's definitely not his kid because she saw what the guys looked like. You have to see the point.

No, she didn't. This is what you don't know. Really? They give you only baby photos. Oh, that's weird. Baby photos or childhood photos. You could kind of see, like I told her my friend who did it, okay, but she did it 22 years, 20-something years ago. As a single woman, she was 40. And I go, how did you choose?

And she said, I chose a sperm that, I mean, I chose a man, which I only saw baby photos, that looked like me. Because she was blonde and fair. And she's just like, I want the baby to look like me if I'm going to have a baby. Yeah. And so I said that to Lala too. I'm like you might want to like, you know, choose somebody that really kind of looks like you. And I said, and she said they only show you the like childhood photos. So you could kind of go, oh, this sort of looks or I, whatever.

Because you could run into them. You could find them. You might recognize them from Tinder. Like it's to protect the donor. Interesting. So, I don't know if that works the same with eggs. It doesn't. But at least, and I think maybe any place could have their own rules.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I think if it's like, hey, if you're willing to show you at every stage in your life, then your egg will go more because go for more because people kind of really want to see how you grew up to be. I think anything can be negotiable. It's just up to your thing. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

And like, so anyway, I think we, I think I read somewhere that eventually, spoiler alert, they do do a DNA test or saying. Probably. But the reality of them springing on her in that moment was beautiful reality TV. Like, and then when they reveal it like on the after show and the guys didn't know, like, that is, that is not acting. No. And that was really, and they put them side by side. And it's like.

And he looks exactly like the little girl. Yeah. Like sparkling blue eyes and like fair. And. Who knows? But, you know, it's good there. Right now, Kristen and she are getting along. And Kristen is not getting along with, what's her name?

What's the girl's name? Michelle? Janice. Janet. Janet. Janet. And I thought this was, they have a pool party off camera. And Brittany invites everybody.

It's hot as shit. It's summer. Okay? I really felt for Janet in this story. So she invites Janet and she invites Kristen. And Kristen's like, Janet better not be coming. And Brittany's like, oh God, she's probably not going to come. She always flakes.

Don't worry about. She won't come. She won't come. Just come. She won't come. Janet, it's fucking hot as shit. Yeah. It's the valley.

Brittany has a nice pool. She has a toddler. All kids want to do is go swimming. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's the scary part because many of them can't swim. So it's like not a good time for you until they're like 10.

but they want to go swimming. And she goes, I went there and Kristen's immediately like, what's she doing here? So she had to get her kid and leave. And when Janet said, and wrote Brittany and was like, why did you invite me? Now my baby is crying.

And like, I just thought Brittany, I know you have a heart, the heart the size of Kentucky, but like don't fucking do that what involves kids in a pool. Well, I don't think she thought it was. But you don't invite two people and then, and no, like, you need to go.

Like, I, we've all had that situation where you either invite one or you go, are you guys cool to be together? And one says yes. And one says no, and one goes, you know what? Invite them. I'm going to bow out. You don't. And then say, bring your kids where a toddler is like all with his, like, little wings on.

It's like, come on. That's awful. Anybody. Janet doesn't have a pool. Janet, I want to invite you to my pool party. I feel so bad. Like I really feel badly. And then Brittany goes and she has fun with the guy that she's no longer with.

But they went to Cobbo and she's like, I got my sparkle bag. I mean, but I do, what I now, what I actually really like about featuring crews is I'm thinking like he runs up to the camera. He has autism. And he runs up to the camera and she's laughing. I actually think in his case, it will be interesting if having the cameraman around, maybe that's beneficial. I think some people might have been like this maybe isn't. I don't know. Nobody's ever really tried it before.

Like having other people around and he seems to like them. Like he seems to be like going up to them. We saw it with Jacqueline Lareda with her son on Jersey Housewives. I feel like we didn't see him that much. I don't know because your brother has autism. So I kind of wanted to ask you, like, I don't know. I thought when she did the sensory room, I thought that was really cool. Yeah.

That's coming up, I think. Yeah. I don't know if you. She does, she goes, I did, I put everything in his playroom the way they do it at the therapy. Yeah. And I thought that is really cool because there's people at home that might really get some great ideas from her. I think that's the biggest beneficial piece. And I think even with Jacqueline, you know, I remember when she was going through that.

And I'm still really good friends with Jacqueline to this day. when you see someone going through it, you just, you feel seen, like you get it, you understand, and then you see things that they're doing and, you know, you're able to kind of support each other, even though it is kind of through the TV. And Brittany and I have DM'd about it a bit.

And, you know, I just told it, I was like, listen, I have every resource you could ever want. Just, you know, let me know what you need and I'm here to help you at any point, because, I mean, it's tough. And it's nice to say, see crews at least reacting in a positive way and not being not being overwhelmed by the cameras

because it can go either way. But it seems like, you know, he's enjoying himself. And I would imagine that also, you know, makes things easier for her too. Yeah. I mean, she's just positive

and doing it her own. I mean, do we know where Jack's is? Last we heard he was, what, living in Tom Schwartz's apartment building, remember when he moved in there? I just wonder, like, I mean, it sounds like she's not getting

support from him. No. And it sounds like he doesn't have an income. Yeah, I don't know, his podcast is gone. His tour got canceled. His, I don't know what he's doing. I mean, he's probably, I could see him doing like a camsoda deal. You know, Cam Soda is always

reaching out to the reality stars to have. What's Cam Soda? Is this a joke? What is Cam Soda? It's streaming, like, adult streaming. Oh, I thought you meant like a soda. No. I was like a soda. drink and I'm like you know like poppy or something I was like what are you talking about oh well I could see him going well who is the I hope dad bad Chad from The Bachelor he did he pivoted to

only fans I could see jacks going in that direction mm jen shaw oh god she did her people magazine which by the way I predicted that I think I only said it at my live show in salt lake but she was on the cover of people or did a people interview which they filmed and the little bit that I saw, you know what? Don't miss you. No. Don't miss you at all. Don't want her back on the show.

Don't need her back. She still, it felt very, a little, still no accountability. Like, not until I was, you know, walking to the courthouse. Did I realize that there were actual real victims? She's still not saying

like, we were scamming people, but I didn't think it would lead to, you know, them ending their life or being destitute. I just thought we were scraping from the top from a lot of people. Just be honest. Yeah. Like you're not being honest, though.

I don't want to see you ever again. Yeah. Well, that's right. She's just like, you know, I didn't realize that what I was doing was wrong. And then I had to take accountability once I did realize it was wrong. It's like, no, you knew it was wrong because the feds were investigating you for years. And we saw the messages where you're instructing your team to get rid of the servers. Yeah.

You moved your operations over to Kosovo. I mean, they don't bring you. they don't put together a federal case because they were like oh she's on the housewives and has a Gucci bag like there's a lot so yeah they'd investigate it and she knew that they were going to come to her because all the other

all the other people that were part of this part of the other pieces of this fraud scheme they were all going down and they were all flipping on each other so she was inevitably going to get pulled into it and that's why she was like I'm innocent and I'm fighting for people that don't have the means. And it was just, it was such a bad luck. I don't think anyone wants, this is my prediction.

And they're not always right. I don't think she's going to be picked up for other shit. No. I don't think there's anything funny, juicy, compelling. Teresa, like, won our hearts over. She was interesting. Like, her case was bamboozled. Yeah.

And Teresa was bamboozled. And it wasn't a malicious thing that she was actively doing like this. That was your whole business. and you're walking around bragging that you're a businesswoman. And she was always screaming. And I always thought it was performing as so I never liked her. And I'm just like, I don't care about you and Coach Shaw and the Polynesian cultural center. I don't care about you.

Please. I watch. Please don't come back to Salt Lake. I watched the full interview. And there were moments where she would, she's charismatic. And there were moments where I was like, oh, you know. And then I was like, no, Zach, she's a con woman. Like this is what she did.

What part turned you on? No, I don't. About the hemorrhoid pads that she put on her face? Oh, that was funny. She was like, I was the Ulta of prison. I learned how to get hemorrhoid pads and use them as an astringen for your face. Like, there were just moments where I believed that she, you know, had learned. She looked good. She's really pretty.

She does look good. Where she's like, you know, the restitution, it's more pain everybody. Like, there were just little moments where she would just come across soft. And then I was like, no, that's literally. her whole thing. She's a con woman. She knows exactly what to say and how to, and, you know, how to lower her voice and, like, how to do all of these things to make you, you know, like her.

Taylor Frank Capal, the latest is she says she's moved away from the Mormon church, but she does believe in Jesus and she did a whole thing that got, you know, 100,000 likes. She went away with her older kids and thanked some company that, I guess, sponsored her. And many people have been, subpoenaed for the temporary restraining order that Dakota has tried to put on her. So they are going forward with that. Dakota's also been cut out of the villa footage of where the dad talks went to the villa, which is coming out.

That happened. And also Jesse, who does hair, who had an affair with Marciana from the villa, they're posting that they're a couple now. And everyone's just like, exactly. Everyone is like, I think I'm tired. Yeah, I'm exhausted. When I saw Jesse and Marciano at Soligave in Salt Lake City and then Harry Jousy's jumping in and he's like commenting and posting like his text thread with them being like, what's going on? I was just like, I'm tired. Like you guys are doing too much and it's just like it's it's fatiguing.

Like the only one I like is Whitney because she's just like, I'm out of this drama. I'm doing Broadway. I'm with Mark Ballas and we're doing Roxy Har and like we want no part of that drama and I'm like you're the only one that I actually like even like right now. Agree. Because the rest of them are doing TikToks and doing videos

and like trying to like the Jesse stuff just looks so bad. Like we don't like Jordan. The Jesse stuff I think is she's like scared that the show's going to go away completely from Salt Lake City and only film in Orange County with the other girls that have moved

and their new cast. Well that's not even a real show yet. Okay. Well, I think she's striving and I understand why. She's got kids. She has, you know, a couple of baby daddies, I think, or maybe she only has one. But anyway, she's a couple kids.

She has this huge business. She cannot go pick up and go to L.A. for $100,000 a year to be on a show. So she's got to keep the, she's got to keep the filming in Salt Lake City. So I think she's doing whatever it is. And in the meantime, she was attracted to Marciano, so let them walk around and party.

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