Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - The Lindsay Clancy Timeline Inconsistencies, Alex Earle's Stepmom, and Wimbledon's Influencer Problem

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, what a week we've had. I have so much scoop and funny stuff to get into. And then the second part of the show, we are really going to explore with a true expert about what is going on with Lindsay Clancy. There was a mistrial. There was one, now we know, man who held out, who did not agree with the. not guilty by insanity plea. And what is going on with Patrick threatening to sue and come after people that are talking about maybe what they've discovered in watching the entire trial and why

the evidence does not match up to what was told inside the courthouse. And it's absolutely fascinating and we have timelines, we have, you know, supposedly his Reddits. We're going to get into all of that. And it's just so interesting. But first, let's keep it kind of fun and light and exciting, because I want the Juicy Scoopers to know, especially if you are Patreon, you can buy tickets to be the first ones to buy tickets to my show, November 14th at the Magnolian Theater in Alcon. Cajoon, California, which is more like in the San Diego area, and it's going to be, we're going to be going to be a fabulous show. I can't wait to perform for you and give you all the juicy scoop that I've been saving for these live shows so that if you are part of Patreon, you will

know the code and you can buy those tickets before everybody else. If you're not, I believe they're on sale at hathamendarmaddle.comnet starting Friday. Of course, I also have my upcoming show at Cobbs in San Francisco, October 2nd and 3rd, two shows a night, and then at the Desert Ridge Improv in Phoenix, October 9th and 10th, two shows a night. So very excited to get on stage and see you guys up close in person. And there are meet and greets, the IP meet and greets for all of those that you can also get. And you know those always sell out first. That's why I wanted to give my juicy scooper, Patreon, people, the opportunity to get in on that San Diego show. Okay, everybody. Burning Man came and went. And I just need to talk a little bit about it because it's been going on, I think, like 40 years. And I've always been very curious about it. And so I really went on some deep, deep dives to find out what it is, what makes it so special, why people keep going back. Turns out that Gen Z is like, fuck this. I mean, Gen Z doesn't even want to deal. They don't even want to deal. They don't have.

want to fuck with Airbnb's because they're like, we don't want to clean up. You know, we'd just rather go to a hotel. We don't want to clean up and follow the rules. Well, if you look into Burning Man, it is so much personal responsibility about cleaning up after yourself. That's what I, I'm still fascinated honestly. Like, how do they even do it? Like these huge art installations and these like, it's like Disneyland electrical parade everywhere. And I am like how, who like, like puts the art thing together and test it out at home. And then they put in a bunch of cars and they drive and then they set up that along with all your own water. Okay. So you have to bring all your own water and you can't leave a droplet. Like there's no way to like once you take a shower,

they want you to take your old dirty shower water back with you. And then people go around the sand and they pick up every single piece of trash. And this year the people are like, you know what, the vibes were off. You know, there vibes were off. People were filming. People are taking, you know, there was a big art installation that said, fuck Elon Musk. And the next to it was Starlink and how to get on the Wi-Fi. I thought that was kind of ironic. So the whole point is you're not supposed to be on your phone, but people were, and they were filming it. And so then I asked, I asked someone very close to me who went for three years. And this was the first year she said, hey, she had to sit down her friends and her husband and go, I'm not doing it anymore. Now, she's a

very capable young woman. There's a certain type of friend that would do this. And they, they're like that firstborn female, firstborn granddaughter, they're maybe Italian. They know how to like organize shit because it takes so much planning. And that's why they keep going. It's really hard, but it's amazing. You absolutely have to take drugs. I don't know. how you would stay up to be on noodle duty from 4 to 6 a.m. Because that's your contribution. Like, everybody has to contribute something. I had a really wealthy friend that went with her husband.

And, you know, she had the 18 billion outfits and the wigs and all that. And she was like, it was so hard. It was so hard. I'm like, why was it so hard? And she's like, oh, I had to be a maid. Like, part of her thing. And this is like a very wealthy woman that has multiple homes. But in order to go, you have to like.

So then I said, well, Aren't there just some rich people that don't have to do shit and don't have to clean up after themselves? Yes, that's like the $100,000 people. They spent about $100,000. And I'm like, and aren't there like some yacht girl type sluts that can go with the $100,000 people and not have to clean up and not worry about bringing their own water in an RV? And yes, I guess that exists too. And that's what's killing the vibe people. It's just not as fun as it used to be in 1996. They said the average age, of the burner. It's like there, you know, like how we have juicy scoopers,

you're like a burner. So is 38. And there, but in some of the photos that I had, like, I zoomed in and like I found this like one guy, you could tell. Like, he's hot, he has a good body. He's got gray hair. But he's fit. He's on a peptide tour. He goes to Burning Man every year. He could be rich. I don't know.

And then there's like a There's an orgy dome, which is pretty self-explanatory. Oh, my God. But then, you know, then the weather gets bad. And they have to wear those goggles and Bethany Frankel went. And, you know, her stuff, people were making fun of it. Somewhere, I don't know where I saw it. This gay guy goes, I can't wait to see all the gays at Halloween being Bethany Frankel at Burning Man.

and she's like standing on an RV in a dust storm with her weird like Mad Max goggles. And, you know, it was kind of interesting that she went and she was smart. She's like, people will follow this because nobody's really understood it. Even though there's been documentaries on it and everything, the fact that I have known people that have gone, I've heard about this for the last 30 years and never really understood it until this year because I started to ask the right questions. I just, yeah, like they drive out to this weird desert and then they have their own city and they they ride these bikes, but then if it gets muddy, you can't ride the bikes anymore.

And then the mud and if you have contact lenses, like the dust gets into your contact lens and then you just like have to huddle down. And definitely the average person probably spends like $8,000 on everything. there is a ticket, there's all this stuff. But then, you know, some people fall in love. Some people come back and they're like super inspired and they take the burning man energy into, you know, finishing their book or focusing and all of that. And that's why they have to go every year to just like renew the energy and like go to like say goodbye to their loved ones and go to some weird temple. Then they actually burn the man. Now a lot of people go, I'm leaving You know, it's like at a concert where you're like, you know what, let's go. Let's start walking

to the car. Let's get a head start. But wait, you know, the band hasn't played like their biggest hit yet. And you're just like, I don't care. Like, I don't want to be stuck on the 405. Let's get the fuck out. So those people just, those people leave and they're probably just so happy. They're like, we can watch. And then when they show the burning thing, I'm like, this looks really dangerous. Like the wind is swirling. This big thing is burning. Like I'm like, How are they're not like horrific fires and how long would it take a fire truck to get there? Two people were found dead. I don't know how what the story is behind them.

Last year someone was found dead. And then, you know, so I guess that's just kind of like, well, I guess that's not that bad when you think like 40,000 people went. And that's it. And the closest I came to it was my spring break of junior year. We went with some ATOs from USC. We went to Lake Mead. and nothing depresses me more than going on what I think is going to be a warm vacation, and it's like gloomy for a week. And it was gloomy, and we were on some weird houseboat with these guys.

I don't remember hooking up with anybody. But it was my closest to Burning Man, because that was, like, the first time I tried mushrooms, and I've only had it twice since then. I tried mushrooms, and there was some sand. And I just kind of remember feeling the mushrooms walking through the sand. And then there was this other houseboat that got stuck in like a sandbar. And these kids were from St. Mary's. And so we took them on our boat. So that was like my burning man. We're like, come on our camp. We don't know you. We're never going to see you again. But we can't, they were like stuck there. And this was like before cell phones and stuff. And it was like shitty weather. Like we never like jumped in the lake or like, you know, was hot and sexy like a havasoo. And so I feel like I've experienced. Burning Man enough. And it's definitely, you know, not for me. Camping, packing. I don't even like to pack a bag for a two-day beach trip, which we did. We went to a beer. We went to a beach house this week with family. And that was like very, very nice. But even that was like overwhelming for me to like figure out which bikinis to bring. So not for me, but it's not going away, but apparently the

vibes have changed. Here's a photo of this. This is what Burning Man looks at 6 a.m. Again, just like a lot of older guys. Like I could see why like Gen Z is like, no, thank you. No, I'll just join OnlyFans and be a yacht girl. See you later. Not for me. Also, Wimbledon, according to the Daily Mail, UK, is banning influencer credentials after the U.S. Open turned into a zoo.

So it was in New York. Matthew McConaughey was there. All right, all right. They showed him a lot. We watched a lot of tennis this weekend because I was with my, sister and nephew who plays tennis. And I saw a lot of stars there in New York. And apparently one of the tennis players had to tell the referee, like, I'm smelling weed so badly right now. And I'm trying to like win this freaking thing. Can you tell the people to stop smoking weed behind me?

They're like pop and champagne. They're taking photos. There's ring lights. They're talking. They're talking on their phone. They don't even know what tennis is. And so again, The vibes are off. They had a choice to either go to Burning Man or the tennis, and they really didn't belong in either one. And that's the world we've created. We can't have anything nice anymore, people. But here I am. I remembered when I met a very famous tennis player, Federer. And here I am. And so I posted it. It was from 2015. But I just was like, what a great weekend I had. enjoying the tennis. And a lot of people were like, oh my God, I'm so jealous. It was Moette shunned on. And it was something that they invited to me at the last minute because somebody probably flaked out.

But he was a delight and I got to meet him. Okay, very excited. You know how I'm obsessed with Elizabeth Holmes, one drop. If I, if you knew that one drop of blood could keep your loved ones alive forever. Wouldn't you do it? I'm very excited about this opportunity to save the world. And I am being completely transparent and truthful with you right now. We were obsessed with this story of Theranos, which was her fake made-up company, where you take one drop of blood, and then you could go to a CBS and they would tell you like, you know, if you had any diseases or if you had cancer or whatever, just from one drop of blood. Anyway, the whole thing was BS and she defrauded all of her investors.

And she is not set to come out of prison, I think, to like 2030 or something like that. She was in the prison in Texas with Jen Shaw. They became asshole buddies, as my dad would refer to people being close. And which I know probably means another thing now that I think about my dad saying, Asshole buddies. What does that really mean? Anyway, Nathan Felders, he did a documentary with her. And the trailer came out on social media this weekend. And she allowed him to film her being herself. She since she has two children, I believe two, with her husband, who's also some very, comes from some hotel air or some. He visits her with those kids all the time.

I think she's so weird. I'm like, I cannot believe she, like, scored this rich guy, but whatever. And the rich parents were like, great, great, we'll just be raising the kids like, you know, Mary Kay Leterno's in-laws had to do while she's in prison for like five to 10 years. Anyway, it is like shocking. And I almost thought it was like a parody because she just didn't really look like how we knew her when she was wearing the turtlenecks all the time. And her hair was like very blonde. Now it's just kind of, she's kind of natural.

And she's looking at him. And she's like, I'm being completely truthful with you. I'm going to tell you everything. I would never deceive you. And I hope you realize that. Like, it is so creepy. And everybody just cannot wait. And so that is coming out.

And the fact that this happened right before she went to prison, like, does she even know this is coming out? Was she shocked? Is she excited? Is it going to make her look worse or better? I don't know. Also, this weekend was the premiere where you get to see all the episodes of Earl meets World. Now, this is Alex Earl. And yes, I've spoken about her and many of you don't know still who she is and don't care. But she's pretty much here to stay. And I think it was a pretty interesting move. She was a young, beautiful girl from Miami that started doing TikToks. And after doing them for like a year and a half, it just really popped off. And it's because she was very vulnerable about her life. And she was just that sorority girl that, you know, was hung over the next morning, showing you her outfit, get ready with me. We're going to get wasted. We're going to pregame. Oh, my God, I like this guy. but she was also like very attractive and skinny. And so she's been really honest throughout her journey of becoming an influencer.

And then she really exploded with, you know, commercials and being like a regular name. And Netflix came a calling and was like, would you like to have a reality show? And I actually think it was a really smart move because when you look at like a Charlie DeMilio and Addison Ray, well, Addison is doing music. But with Charlie DeMilleo, she had a family and they did a reality show. But I feel like that didn't really work. Maybe it was the timing. Maybe it was just Charlie is just really more of a cute dancer and the personality isn't really there.

Maybe she made it when she was too young. She still has 150 million followers, Charlie. I want to go look at her and she's still doing those same videos where she puts the phone on a stand and then shakes her ass and she's got a nice big fat ass. Like she's very hot and she's a little freckles on her face. And that's pretty much all she does. But when you look that she has 154 million followers and she's only getting like a couple hundred thousand views, you're like, maybe you're not that hot. Anyway, so I think it's good because I don't think you can just remain just an influencer forever.

And this kind of puts her again even more in the mainstream. So she has a very interesting life in that she comes from money. Like her family has a big, rich, fabulous, huge acre home in New Jersey with a bunch of animals. It's beautifully done. The dad is rich. He's like a freeway contractor, much like David Bador, Shannon's husband, something like that. He makes good money. And he's pretty hot.

And when her parents were married, she's one sister, when they were like 10 or 12 or something, he got caught with a. with this woman named Ashley. And because Ashley was previously famous for being a call girl, sex worker, hooker, light, whatever you want to call it, with the governor of New York at the time, they were kind of following her and still knew who she was. Now, I don't know if he was a client. I don't know if they met. But then it was found out the mother, you know, filed for divorce.

Her mother's named Alicia. They get divorced. and but Ashley and he get married and they go on to have three kids. So the cast is Alex, her sister, Ashton, there's a lot of similar names so it's hard. Her mother, Alicia, the mother's hot model boyfriend. I don't know what he does for a living. Her dad, T.J., who is her dadager instead of a momager, who is the freeway contractor but knows what's up in business.

He's very likable. the stepmother Ashley, former hall girl, but she's been with the dad for 17 years. And she's produced three half siblings to Alex. So it's like, it's really kind of interesting because she has this, the history of being the other woman. But she was much younger than him when they got together. And she's been like a really great stepmother. And she's also given him three kids.

So it's not like she just came last week. So I think there's something very interesting in the stepmom of it all of like how many years are you expected to, you know, not be included or be disrespected or stay out of the family photo or whatever it is. So that is all interesting. They're all very natural. They're living their life. They go to the one kids like equestrian thing. There's two little girls, and one is like, you know, 13 and wearing like a full face of makeup and is also trying to be an influencer. Then the other one is kind of like the Chloe Kardashian of it, kind of sassy, only 11.

She's the most logical one. Great. And then there's like a little boy who's like quirky and cute and into dinosaurs. So that's the story. And I have to say, my sister and I binged it. We kind of liked it. It kind of like brought us back to those days. of parting. She's very honest. And in it she breaks, she's just broken up with her boyfriend

named Braxton. And she's crying, talking about him so much. And she even gets drunk, which I, one of my first jokes and sketches was drunk dialing. Friends don't let friends dial drunk. In front of like Friends don't like friends drive drunk. It's dial drunk. So she does that, but it's texting. And she texts him at 4 a.m. And she's like, who let me. do this. And I just want to say, God, I wish I had the knowledge that I have now at the Alex Earl age of 25. Because watching this show, I don't even think Braxton is going to watch this show. I really don't. He's a professional football player. He's a babe. He is like, yeah, I will talk to you, but I don't want it to be on camera. And literally, she's filming on camera. So I always thought it was

cute that he didn't seem to mind and he would like do the get readies with me and they look so gorgeous going to like a friend's wedding and all that and he was all down to be with her forever and he seemed very accommodating but she felt with her career exploding she just need to be selfish you break up with him so then the whole time she's regretting it and talking about him and everything and I'm like you know what I believe that guys just don't think about us the way we think about them. And I think I know that after being married to a guy for a really long time and raising sons. And listen, they, I just think that when you're out of sight, you're out of mind. And I don't think he's pining about her. I think he's got other girlfriends that are like really

into him. And I think it's the type of thing where if a guy sells a car, he's not like, I want to go visit that car, you know, at its new home every three months just to see how it's. doing. No. So sure, if you come around again and the time's right, he might be down. But he is not thinking and pining about you. And, but entertainment wise and thinking most of the audience is young girls, it's pretty juicy, pretty interesting. But yeah, like, you know, I think about my old boyfriend sometimes and I'm like, oh, I wonder if, no, I don't think my old boyfriend's even read my book and it was about them. I don't think they did. I don't think they, I don't think they, I don't think my husband read my book. I don't think they care. So I don't think he's watching

eight episodes of you, Alex Whirl. But you were very interesting. This back-to-school season, spend less on your kids with Amazon. Hi, I'm Laura Clary, mom, overthinker, and someone who has a complicated relationship with the back-to-school supply list. Can we just be honest for a second? Kids are expensive. Last year, I went all out on my daughter's school supplies, color-coded folders, the fancy pencil case, gel pens, and 17 colors. She absolutely needed. By October, she had one pencil left. One. I don't know what happened to the rest, and honestly, neither does she. Amazon has everything your kids need for back to school at prices that won't make you want to cry in the school supply aisle. Great prices, huge selection. And when half of it goes

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... New season hits September 18th on Paramount Plus. Where some see heroes and others see egos. Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes. While others follow the noise, we follow the money. Learn more at Bloomberg.com. Okay, the other juicy part is the Alex Cooper of it. Okay, so Alex Cooper has Collar Daddy, big show. She reaches out to Alex Earle when Alex Earle is exploding.

But it takes a while before she reaches out to her. and then she has her come on her show. And then they have this episode where she asks her all, and they flashback to it. And Alex Cooper asks Alex Earle, all these intimate questions, are you an anal virgin? If you weren't with your boyfriend, what other professional football player would you want to be with?

She asks about her stepmother Ashley's infamous Hooker Light Pass. And they revealed the show that after that, explosive interview. They all didn't talk. She didn't talk to her family for three months because it put them all in such a bad place. And it really put the stepmother in a place of like, actually like, she kind of ludes that she like wanted to end it all, if you know what I mean. So what we do find out is that Alex Earle asked Alex Cooper to cut that stuff out before airing it. And Alex Cooper didn't. I think that's a really important thing to know when evaluating. the character of these two women.

Because I've been doing this for 11 years. You're like, Heather, we know. Whatever, it's about 11 years. And anytime someone has asked me to cut something out, I have. And let me tell you, there's been times where someone's telling me something, and I'm literally getting wet, thinking about the clip and how juicy it is and how much press I'm going to get it. And I cannot believe they're telling me this.

And I say goodbye, and I'm like jumping up and down. and seven hours later, I get the panic text, and I honor it. They say, could we please cut that out? Yes, yes. And a lot of people don't do that. They are like too bad, and they don't have the ethics that I have. So I thought that was pretty interesting because it's not like Alex Cooper needed to have a killer episode that week or she was going to lose her contract.

Like, yeah, sometimes every, sometimes the episode is shorter than you wanted because someone wanted something cut out or it wasn't as juicy as you thought when they were leaving the building. That's life. Like, that's being respectful. So anyway, that was interesting. Then she, Alex Cooper starts her podcast network and she has Alex Earle do it. And this is when we finally find out what happened because I have talked about what I thought happened between them on this show quite a bit. And the dad, who's the dad of j.

Like I said, who's very likable as a dad. He goes to therapy. He seems like he's a good husband. He seems like he's a really, and he's a good ex-husband, even though at one time he cheated on his wife. Like, he seems like he really kind of keeps this family and this business together. Anyway, he basically says, hey, this is, you know, he kind of explains it with Alex Earl that they got this podcast and they didn't know what to expect.

But allegedly Alex Cooper's. people said, here's a camera and go record yourself, film it all yourself. No help. No producer help. No booking help. I mean, it sounded like she was doing all herself. And then they would split the profit from the ads. And then they would take out production costs. And he was like, what production costs? Like, we were filming at ourselves. We didn't have a crew here. We didn't have. and she was taking the camera around where she was traveling Alex Earle to film herself doing this podcast. Now, I also think she must have agreed to that. And they probably thought, well, since you do all of your own TikToks, you could do this while you travel. And people will like to

see all these different places you're at. I think she just didn't, and this is what I've said from the beginning, I don't think Alex Earle realized how much work it was, how you have to share so much about your life or you run out of things to talk about and maybe you don't want to share that much about your love life and your personal life. There was also some talk that I heard somewhere that Alex Cooper was like, it'd be so much better if you're single and dating because that provides so much content to tell stories. As you remember, Alex Cooper with the original caller daddy was like a lot of like Alex Cooper, we're like, hey, daddy gang, I just went deep on the throne. Like talking about giving blow jobs and everything.

all the time. And then she switched to like interviewing Kamala Harris and doing other things like that. So I think she almost wanted Alex Earle to kind of take over that arm of the podcast network where it's like you still want that fun 20 something drunk sex funny talk. You can go to Alex Earl for that. And if you want Oprah, you can come to me, Alex Cooper. So I think she realized and the dad realized this is too much work and too much stress for the little bit of money that we're making when we can make so much money just dancing around in a bikini doing a major brand. And then I also think Alex Cooper was like, yeah, your numbers aren't as good as we thought. These are, this is what you have to work harder at. You need to get more celebrities on. You need to call your own personal

friends. You need to book it. And they're like, well, my God, my other friend is doing a podcast and he has a producer and he walks into a studio that's beautifully done and shot and filmed and everything. and they book him guess and they write down the card so he has questions to ask, why am I not getting that? And I think because Alex Cooper came from a place where she kind of self did it all herself. She expected that her talent could also do that. And so then, so what happened was Alex Cooper in the show you see this, I didn't realize that the course of the timeline. But then she just announced like, you know, Alex Unwell. Alex Cooper's network

Unwell has dropped Alex Earle's podcast. So it sort of looked like Alex Earl was like dropped or fired from lack of performance. But it was more like a mutual agreement of not to work together anymore.

So then they have it out and kind of have it out in that Alex Cooper calls Alex Earl out and is like, I don't like that you're liking things. She does this video and she's like, hey, enough with liking things that are, you know, not nice about me. There's no NDA, girl. Say what you need to say. Stop teasing it. Stop manipulating it. And then I think what was interesting

is Alex Earle, knowing that she's filming this show, knowing that this could be really great content, having probably a great director and producer going, wait a minute, don't give your scoop on your Instagram or TikTok, save it for the TV show. Because I really was watching every single episode going, what are we going to really find out happened? And so I do. I think Alex Cooper kind of wanted to utilize Alex Earle when it didn't seem to be utilizing her anymore

to cut her off the way you would with business. I think she could be a little jealous that Alex Earle is so well liked, and even though Alex Cooper is well liked and so wealthy and successful, it's like Alex Earl is just so likable. And she's done charity work and she started charities. Now Alex Cooper is like, I'm going to give, you know, pay for people's baby registries because she's about to give birth. I guess they were all at the same agency. And just a couple weeks ago was announced that Alex Cooper left that agency to go to another top agency. I think she went over to William Morris. And so that's interesting that she did it right before this show aired. So there's

probably some grievances about feeling like the agency wasn't protecting Alex Cooper and more protecting Alex Earle. So that was, it was juicy. And, you know, I think her sister is kind of dull. Ashton, but I think the relationship is real, and I think they really like each other. And it'll be interesting to see what happens next season. And if she starts to hold back on her own social media and not sharing as much as she should to save it for her TV show, will they start going to more events and things, living the high life, which is what happened with the Kardashians? The first year was all of them at home, throwing each other around and spinning Courtney on the ground and Chloe picking up or throwing her in the pool and you know and then it was you know Chloe and Kim take Miami or whatever and then they went and you saw them doing all their brand deals and getting more famous and going doing Dance With Stars and all that of their stuff so she's already done dance with Star she's already done a lot so we might that might be more the next season, I think, and maybe less of like the little kids and all of that. But it's interesting because of the

Ashley the stepmom, who was the hooker light. What was interesting is like she was already kind of like famous and she said, hey, I was a waitress and at a nice lounge and someone said you can make $1,000 to go on dates with people. That's how she presented it, which I think is pretty honest. Probably some of the dates, she didn't have to do much. And some of them she didn't. She didn't. She didn't mind and she decided and whatever. And this was like, you know, 20 years ago. And so she just says it and explains it, which I think is good at this point. But she loves doing TikTok and social media too. And that's kind of interesting too how they come into some arguments where Alex Earl is like, hey, Ashley's stepmom, like, could you not? Like this was one of the best ones. So during Super Bowl,

the infamous Super Bowl with Bad Bunny, Alex Earl was there dancing in the background with some other famous people. And she got some shit. Like why is blonde, blue-eyed Alex Earl dancing in the background of Bad Bunny? And she was like, I don't know. They asked me, whatever.

So she just kind of like let that die down because what can you do? And then like a couple weeks later, Ashley, the stepmom is like doing a dance with like writing on it. And it's like, what you don't know is we have such a diverse family that we have a Guatemalan niece. And Alex Earle's like, what? Like, I just let this Super Bowl thing like die down.

I don't need. This is just so wrong. And she's like, I understand your intentions were good, stepmom, Ashley. But like, this only just draws, I mean, stirs the pot, gets people to dissect it. Like, you really have to think about what you post and what you comment on. And I think Ashley, the mom is like, listen, girl, I was on the cover of the post before you were even knew what the post was. Like I was the it girl. And I remember she would go on like Howard Stern.

She was very unapologetic about it, which was kind of cool. So it's oftentimes what I said about Monica Lewinsky with President Clinton. I mean, years ago, I just was like, wow, talk about being ahead of your time. I mean, if there was a girl that had an affair with Obama the way she did, who was an intern, that girl would be a Kardashian today. That girl would have a whole career. So I feel like if the Ashley story happened with the governor of New York, if that had happened even like five, eight years ago, Ashley could have been as big as Alex Earl today. And I think that is what's also an interesting layer, along with them all functioning as mother, stepmother, friends, getting, you know, but it was interesting because there's just one time where they're all sitting around with the original mom and the stepmom. And the stepmother says to Alex and her sister, she goes, you guys just need to get out there and just realize that all men cheat. I'm sorry, they all do. And the mother is there. She's like, all men cheat. They just do. It was just so funny.

And I don't feel like those things were planned. Like, I feel like they have a lot of dinners and a lot of meals. And they're just really, you really see what their family is like. So I think it's a big hit. I found it to be fun to watch. Okay, now let's just get into really quickly the latest with our girl, Vicki Gunvilsson. She celebrated her 64th birthday on season 20 of Real House West of OC. And, you know, it's chugging a little.

long. It's not real juicy. However, she's like, well, you know, Mike and I, I don't know, I don't know if we're going to get married or not. What does that matter? What does that matter? Well, I never saw a ring. He never asked me to, if we get married, we'll just get married. We'll just, we'll just, we'll just, we'll just, we'll decide together and we'll get, we own a home together. Sometimes he's not here, but he doesn't, well, he's not going to like this. He's not going to like that. We're all talking about this. And so then, you know, Tamara's like, oh, okay, so now you don't want to share your relationship, which is part of the job where they always get mad when someone's not sharing their relationship. But Vicki's like, no, I did this before.

I did it with Dawn. I did it with, you know, Brooks. I did it with a guy who wanted to be the governor of California. I went and I don't blame her because she's like, this is the it. She's like, I got my orange back. I'm doing back-to-back shows. And I'm doing the bare fucking minimum. But still, so entertaining because we're understanding why.

And she's like, I don't want to piss off the man that might be by my side for the rest of my life because they want it to be part of the TV. And I don't want to share that. I say, I tell Mike all the time, I say, take your pants off. Take your pants off. And she's like, oh, he's not going to like that. You're not going to like that. And then Shannon is there. And she has a sneezing attack.

And, yeah. And Emily is just like, well, what? What's going on? Why? What's happening? I don't even know. It's just not. Yeah. So then let's move over to. Oh, Tamara. Oh, my God. So Tamara, it says that she almost got divorced from Eddie on a trip back from Big Bear. Well, it is a windy road. I don't know what the fuck they were fighting about. But it could, it might not help when you're coming back from Big Bear. I don't know why you'd leave Newport for Big Bear, but whatever. And she's like, that was six months ago. And Eddie's like, why don't we file for divorce? So I'm going to do, and they do a whole other sexy night. Remember the infamous bathtub night where she was like, and she, they go to Laguna, Sand and Sea Hotel, and she wears like, her body's banging. She wears this lingerie outfit and shows it to him while the guys just like got the camera like sweating and the waiter's like, here's your coconut shrimp. Like they're at the bar at the restaurant and she's like opening up her thing and she's got like this

sexy outfit on. And then they have to go. to the hotel and get the crew in there and they have to read sex games. And he's like slapping her ass and she's barking on the ground. And then they're like, okay, let's take our clothes off. Now, like, are we done? Is this shoot over with? Can we get the mic off? And that's what it feels like everybody's just literally working for the DMV of Real Housewives and they are doing the bare minimum. So then we pop over to Ultimate Girls Trip and everyone is so mean to Lisa Barlow, especially Heather Gay, who supposedly has a boyfriend now, so good for her.

But the best part is Vicky, they have to wear costumes. And Lisa Barlow and Kyle just wore Western hats. Like they just packed some black jeans and a Western black hat and were like done. But some of these women that were invited, especially from like Atlanta, like Marlowe and stuff. I mean, they must have spent thousands of dollars on these outfits. It's absolutely insane. and Vicki decided her alter ego was Jackie O. And she put on this black wig and kind of like a wrinkly dress.

And she was like during the party, she's like, I'm going to go. I just don't feel like anyone even notices me. I'm feeling visible. I don't like this wig. And the wig really ruined it. And as I've told you guys, one of my biggest regrets was wearing that black page boy wig to Chris Jenner's 60th birthday for a roaring 20s party. and really be careful what you decide you do.

For a costume party, Halloween is around the corner. It can ruin your time. If it's uncomfortable, if you don't feel cute, and she didn't look cute. And let's just remember when Lydia had to, they all had to go and drag as men, and Lydia was Charlie Chaplin. And I just, I wake up in the middle of the night and I think about Lydia and this outfit and her face and that she did a little stash and whoever did her makeup, whoever talked her into the this, it's one of the worst real housewife's moment. So I think Vicky was feeling like that in the dark wig. And it's a big, it's a big regret. All right, you guys, now let's get into the latest with Lindsay Clancy and what really went down with Patrick. This is shocking stuff. All right. Now,

we just have to talk about the latest with the Lindsay Clancy case, as I promised. And I have with me someone who I really think has really spent hours and hours doing the homework and explaining why so many people have questions about what was presented in the case, the people versus Lindsay Clancy. And welcome. This is known as Maddie Addy on TikTok, but your name is Matthew Addison. And you have a really interesting life. You're a product designer of a great skincare, which we'll get into.

and you've written a book about when you were an assistant to the diva of all divas, which we will get into, a true story. But I came across your stuff. You have a huge amount of followers, 667,000 because I was very impressed how you were walking. You know, you became obsessed with the case. When was the first time you were watching it and you were like, wait a minute. What was the first thing that said that made you say, I'm watching this case and this does not make sense based on the testimony that's been given? I actually was not going to watch the case just because I, from what I had heard about it, it was very clear that she had done it and who cares past that.

She had done it, go to jail, whatever. But I kept seeing all of these inconsistencies presented on TikTok that grabbed my attention. And I was like, wait a second, what is going on here? I guess it was probably the day of Patrick's testimony that I started to lock in. You know, now Patrick's people are, you know, they're saying because, well, just to reiterate for those, it was, came out as a mistrial. So we now know that it was 10 to 1, I guess, right? Because it's 11. It's 11 total. No, 11 to 1.

11 to 1. Sorry, 11 to 1. saying innocent by reason of insanity and then one hold out said no and he is a man which is interesting because a lot of this story seems to be somewhat gender like people that don't really know what's going on was like how are these women you know supporting this woman who admitted to ending three of her children's lives right you know in a postpart of depression and like what is wrong with society today and I understand when you don't follow a case and we were told from the moment it happened. I remember when it happened. Oh my God, this is horrible. This woman did this. She admitted it and then tried to end, you know,

and it tried to end her life and is now wheelchair bound. And now here's the case. And so first it starts with, you know, well, is she guilty? Did she really plan it? Did she really know what she was doing? Or she did a postpartum psychosis. So that was the first thing. And then this started to go of like, wait a minute, then going to the restaurant, doing the errands that Patrick did, leaving this timeline, the Apple Watch. And when people weren't following it as much as I, and they're like, all right, just explain to me like what happened. I'll say, it's not like three things. It's like 74 different things. And there's even more that's come out. Right. So now that there's been a mistrial, Well, the juries have said, you know, that he admitted the one person that held out that he did have reasonable doubt whether she was guilty or not, but he wasn't willing to say not guilty by reason of insanity.

He just wasn't. And that's what really pissed off Reddington, her attorney, because he was like, well, then he's not following the rules. And the judge was like, there's nothing I can do. It's a hung jury. he's also saying maybe Trump will pardon her, which is very bizarre because it's not a federal crime. Right. You know, that was strange. And when asked about Patrick, he said, I think it's just been horrible what he's been going through.

But he didn't say this is a ridiculous, anybody that's assuming that he had anything to do with it other than finding her on the ground is, you know, insane people. and there were just thousands of insane people that spent hours watching this that are questioning it, he just said what he's been through is horrible, which is true. Right. Whatever that might be.

So I will say going back to what you were talking about with the 11 to 1 and it being a man and obviously I feel like everybody already assumed that it was a man. But what really stood out about that to me is that he wasn't looking at the evidence in the same way that the rest of the people were. And that was something that really bothered

the three female jurors who were in there, they were like he was not taking his time to look at the evidence. So that really stood out to me. And everything is moving and changing so fast with the case that even this morning, there was another interview on CBS mornings with Gail King. Did you watch that one yet? No, tell me. Okay. Because now my opinion has changed on everything in the last 24 hours. So Kevin Reddington was on CBS this morning and they were talking about the fact that everyone keeps accusing Patrick and that Reddington has not been very clear on his stance. Like he's been sort of evasive. about it. And today he was very clear about the fact that he needs to be left alone. He's been a good

husband to Lindsay. So I feel, you know, is this now just as simple as postpartum psychosis? There's all of the... Or is he just a tired attorney who just doesn't want to even step his foot into this thing? And also by even saying, hey, these things don't add up and let me look into it. It doesn't make him look like a good attorney then because he took all this evidence and and assumed, you know, laid it out and assumed it and all these things where people were like, oh no, he does, he does suspect this. And that's why he's doing these weird little things and making him pick up something with his left hand or his right hand. And I, I mean, I just think he's a tired attorney who was hired to do a job. And he very much wanted it to end.

And now he's in a position where he'll look horrible if he doesn't do the next trial. Right. You know, when there's been retrials in the past, mistrials, take Menendez brothers, for example, it benefited the prosecution. And they knew what to do. And the prosecutor, the DA was like, you better not lose this one. We already lost OJ. We already lost this. So I don't, you know, without the idea of the third party, like pointing like, hey, maybe it wasn't how it was said, then, you know, the prosecution might even have a better advantage. I don't know.

Right. And going, I guess going back to the Trump of it all as well, is that how is she going to have a fair trial when the president of the United States, regardless of how you feel about him, is saying. she's guilty. How I feel like that. Oh, he has said that. Yeah, he said that in an interview. Oh. I think it was the day of the mistrial. He said she's guilty. It's a horrible situation. So obviously that influences a lot of people in their decision as if there weren't already enough people who were obviously following the trial as is. Yeah. So I believe his intention is going to be to have Trump connect with the DA because apparently he's a Republican too. That's what Reddington said, just to basically say, I don't know, lay off back down, don't run through this all over again. Yeah, I think he just wants it to end. I think he's just like, if there's any way it could

just end and she could just go to a psych ward. And because maybe he realizes there still, there still would not be enough that would ever convict him, the husband of anything. And of course, He's saying like, you know, threatening to, you know, sue anybody that's even saying this. And I'm not, and we're not saying it. We don't know. We're just saying there are some very compelling arguments for what didn't make timewise sense. When Westchap first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion.

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Each week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a way to turn them into their greatest strengths. Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm hitting to the Emmys. have police complaints filed against me. When your free will is about to be taken from you, what would you do if it was given back? Where did that need come from where you thought that you had to succeed in order to feel loved? He said, I have a work dad. I need a home dad. What happens next? When I came in,

he started crying. Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not those hard moments that they go through. It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Dar, I'm not going to pull punches. You can use your voice even if it's shaped. The stories are different, but the impact is the same. Only one question matters. What happens next? Like, what are the biggest things? Because we've kind of gone through it with some other guests and talking about it on some of my other shows. But like, what's the biggest thing that you think that most people have a hard time accepting what which was presented in the case? I think for me the biggest thing in the timeline is not being able to nail down exactly when he left the house,

which they were able to lock down exactly when he returned because they showed through digital data on the witness stand that he pulled in at 609 when it was before 607. He got to CVS at 632 and it was only a three-minute drive from the home. So he only would have had to leave at 629 and he says that he left, he says that he left at 615. So, and then there was the email that he sent from the home at 624, which he said he was sent from his Surface Pro, which Redington got him to say, from your laptop. From the house. From the house. It's alluded to through the questioning and him saying from your laptop. So people believe, I believe that he did not leave the house until the soon as 625.

And he wouldn't have to have left until 629. So ultimately the time that she was alone with the children was somewhere between or alone period actually was somewhere between 14 and 24 minutes to do all of this. So it's to end the life of the three kids. Three children. And then to smash up her pills and drink it in lemonade. Yes. To then slash her wrist the wrong way and slash her throat with her non-dominant hand. Right.

which is all weird and also being a nurse. And then also when was the email or when was the search about the artery asked in which they think that why it supposedly appeared like she did it? Right. But why would a registered nurse who worked for many years not know where an artery was? She was, yeah, Googling that and also it was spelled wrong. So it was something that maybe the average person was. wouldn't know how to spell, but you would think that a nurse would know how to spell.

Right. I don't know exactly when that. But I believe she was not at the house. A lot of the things, like, for example, when he clicked on suicide methods, she wasn't at the home. She was at the doctor with baby Callen at the time. So there are just a lot of things that don't make sense to it lining up to being her. Right.

So I want to just hear your hypothetical theory. Like if this was a movie and you're going to guess the end where the truth comes out. So we're not pointing fingers, anything. We're just saying we're watching this and we're acting like we're writing a movie. What do you think is possibly could have happened, which is not what was presented in the case? I'm going to be honest again everything changed for me today I don't know if you want to watch that or not

because I don't want you to be like behind No I think I did see it Well he just basically was But he's he's he's never said it was him I don't that's what I'm saying I don't think the the defense attorney Ever I don't know that the defense attorney ever Really thought it and I think he's kind of like oh shit

I'd ever put all these clues together either So by by acting like you kind of have to to stick with your plan. Right. So I guess, like I said, in my opinion, when I was watching his interview today, it was the first time that I ever saw Redington sort of be like very clear about the fact that it was post-partum psychosis and to leave Patrick alone, basically. So for me, everything up until now has very much so felt like he was leaving room for

interpretation. But then I was like, was he just doing his job? Isn't that what he's supposed to do? Prove reasonable doubt. of course during a murder trial he's not going to come forward and say he did it or it's not him but I guess before to before this morning I was very much so in the gray area and I've allowed myself to go back and forth between the two of them but with the amount of evidence that seems to point towards it not being her is it really just that the police did that bad of a job

that they could make it look like it was completely different person that had done this. But yeah, before today, I guess as far as a theory would go. And I think the reason that this has resonated with so many women across the world is that so many women have experienced being in a relationship with someone that this man appears to be like narcissistic or being gaslit or not being as helpful or her taking all the responsibilities. and so they're noticing something that feels off or familiar, which I have recognized as well. And I guess, you know, even her saying at certain points, I saw myself doing it.

People were like, did she see herself doing it? Or she heard the voice, was he talking through those cameras that had been turned off? Like, if she already was not well, how impressionable was she during all of this happening? Before today, I would say I was convinced that most of this happened before he left the house and that if there was something where she saw herself doing it, was there another person in the house who looks like her? You know, like... And his wife looks just like her.

Right. And then there's a lot of, I mean, there's a lot of evidence that puts, he and his now wife when they allegedly didn't know each other they both happened to be in Costa Rica at the same time which was very interesting how the internet found that one right one girl was in Costa Rica took a photo on her Facebook page and took a group photo and tagged his now wife and then they realized he was in Costa Rica at the same time he wasn't in the photo but he was Isn't that a coincidence? And then looking for the apartment in New York and securing it and putting the house in an LLC and having his good friend who was also part of the D8's office eventually buy it.

Now, you know, other people don't care that crimes happen in a house and if he could get a good deal, he could get a good deal. Like there are things that you can explain a way that are very circumstantial. And so is all of this circumstantial? Yeah, I guess. But then you put it all together the way she falls out of the thing, the fact that the window. Right. The screen being said, he said it was cut, then it was not cut. The way the blood was splattered.

The bed was moved a certain way. Wouldn't she have not fallen that way? Why was her hair wet? Why was her temperature as low as that if she was there that it like, right, it would have not been that low or something? So like did, you know, did it all happen before he left? I do still have questions, of course, because, yeah, how is her hair soaking wet? That was one of the first things that I thought as well. The way that her body was found in the position that she was in does not seem to correlate with someone who,

jumped out of the window? But then someone could say maybe after she did that to her kid, she took a shower. And in the shower, she decided to end her life. And that's why her is wet. I go back to the timeline. Right. How is someone doing all of this in 14 to 24 minutes?

It doesn't. That, I mean, it doesn't add up to me. Then the call, like where are the calls were coming from as far as when he was at the CBS store? asking, like, it was that he called and he said they don't have the kind of PDLX that you want. We'll just get the generic. But then he did find the, what again, that can happen.

All of a sudden, you don't, you're not looking. And then you'd go, oh, actually, they do have the one I want. Okay, fine. But that mattered because of the timeline too, right? Yes. And I think a lot of his testimony to me just presented him as an unreliable narrator. and him talking about that, that he went into the store, he called Lindsay. Lindsay does, so she doesn't answer his phone.

So he's standing there during all this time. Then she calls him back. At CVS. At CVS. He says that they don't have it, but then he comes home with it and you can see it clearly through the CVS bags. That was one of the things earlier on that grabbed my attention as well because it's like you're repeating this story on the stand that they don't have it, not that you

found it. And the only reason anybody even knows this is because of internet. sleuths basically being like, wait a second, that's actually what he said he couldn't find and then he came home with it. There's just a lot of holes in his story. And then what about the changing of clothes and the boots and the shoes? So my thing is, explain that. Why it's why people are like, why is he wearing a different outfit at CVS on the surveillance camera and a different outfit at the pickup food place when he was doing those errands back to back? When I initially got locked into the case and seeing the inconsistencies, all I cared about was the timeline and seeing if it made

sense and it didn't make sense to me and I presented it to everyone and that video blew up. You said you got 20 million views. 20 million views from that. And obviously that's at the very beginning of the case. So as things come out during the course of the case, the timeline changes or they prove things to be wrong. After that video had blown up, my biggest request that I was getting was to watch the trial from the beginning and break it down into like little five minute increments for people to be

able to understand. And I made it a point when I was doing that to only go off of what was presented in court because I wanted that's at the end of the day what matters, not if someone is doing a Bratstall recreation of what they believe happened. I was like the facts are actually what matters. So I saw that and I'm aware of it, but I just wouldn't let that into my mind or subscribed to it because I didn't want it to affect what the actual facts of the case were. Because in the trial, nor the prosecutor nor the defense ever said, hey, wait, I just want to know why is your sweater different and why did you go from boots to tennis shoes? Right. That never came up in court.

So when we see him at, you went to CBS first and then the restaurant or the restaurant then CBS? He went to CBS first. So he goes to CVS first to get the PDLX. He also buys the Skittles there. And in that one, he's wearing boots. Yes. Then we go to the restaurant where he waits in line to pick up his food. And in that one, he's wearing tennis shoes, right? And a different or not boots.

I'm not sure about which shoes were in which clip, but I remember at 3V restaurant was when people saw him unzipped the entire coat, as opposed to in the first clip, he had the three quarter. So, and then there were times where people were like, is it even the same person? Right. Could it be his best friend? And so that was all very confusing. But because nobody said, hey, why'd your sweater change?

And he said, and he could say, oh, because when I was driving to CBS, I was eating Skittles and they were down my, no, you didn't eat the Skittles because they were undone or were they done? The Skittles? Yeah. I don't know that we know what happened to the Skittles. But the skittles were in the bag at the house. Oh, where? I'm not sure about that. I remember seeing the Skittles, something about the Skittles.

Or it's on the, you know, maybe it was just the Skittles were on the receipt, but they weren't to be found. Okay. So then a crazy one that people got very mad at me is someone said, for whatever reason, people that are like marathon runners, their little trick is Skittles because there's like an enormous amount of like energy and sugar, whatever, that will give you just enough to like keep going. And he ran marathons. So did his new wife, Rachel, that he never allegedly didn't meet.

Even though there's a photo of them from before he even married his wife. Is that photo legit? Is it AI? Is it whatever? I don't know. These are just all the things people have found that make you go, huh. But because nobody brought up that and he never said on the stand, no, I changed my sweater because I spilled up myself. or I had an extra one in the car and I realized it was stained and I changed the spotlight.

Whatever. I, you know, wanted to change my boots to more comfortable shoes. Then you're saying because that was never presented, you're like, I'm not going to really address that. But it's weird, right? It is weird. I tried my best to ignore a lot of those things. Some of the things I did think were crazy that people were saying, yes, that he had Skittles and ran home and then ran back. That theory would be that he got the Skittles at CVS, ran with the tennis shoes, did whatever he had to do.

Yeah. Then ran back, changed his sweater, and then got the food. Yeah. And then looked on the phone at the camera or that's when he got the message saying, hey, somebody's outside of your, it looks like somebody is laying. by the side of your house. Like his neighbor said it. It's like the son, the neighbor's son called the neighbor who owned the house,

and that neighbor had Patrick's number and said, what? So I know that the neighbor, the neighbor's son texted him at 550, and that's when he said that he spotted her outside on the ground. Patrick arrived home at 609. But the son, never thought to like call the police.

I know. He just told his dad and then the dad didn't think to also call the police, just said, I'll just call the husband. I didn't even know that he called the husband. I just believed that. I knew that he had done that interview because if he did call the, if he did call or text Patrick, I would assume that the first place Patrick would have gone when he arrived home was out back. Right. But yeah, I don't know. So $6.50, she was for sure outside on the ground.

I guess my question too with when he actually left the house also is there's ring camera from whether it's that neighbor or someone along the road from where the house is to where CVS is to be able to say exactly when he left the house. I don't know why that's sort of being left for interpretation. There were rumors online, and again, I don't know how accurate it is, but there were rumors online that the neighbor did turn in their ring camera footage and that they never heard or saw about it again. Yeah, I mean, you also kind of wonder in and all is that there are people that are lazy about their jobs. And it's an open and shut case. she did it it's consistent to what the husband said she told him and now she's telling everybody in the hospital

the same thing all right like you know what I mean like I just yes they should have done a better job but I mean could that be why they didn't investigate more is because they weren't doing a cover up or anything they were just really

like we're done you know why do we have to you know so many times that happens when someone's like I swear to God my daughter didn't end her life. And the husband's like, no, she did. And then like four years later, they exhumed the body. And they look again and they're like, who would have said this?

The gunshot was from behind or whatever. And you're like, oh, well, because, you know, he said that she was depressed and there was a typed letter and everyone did this. But it, you know, so it's like I, this isn't the first time that something's been presented that just. And obviously that became a running joke throughout. Especially the end of the trial, everybody was saying because Patrick said, Patrick said was the reason why a lot of the decisions were made. And for example, the, what was it? The residue on the inside of the cup was never tested.

So they never actually confirmed that whatever was crushed up inside of her cup was actually medication. It was a lemonade. Was it just a powder from something else? Nobody actually knows because they never tested it. And their reasoning for not testing it was, well, Patrick said. So they definitely did not do things that they were supposed to do because it just, it does give the impression of like, you know, it's a boys club or we just believe him or we know him or I don't know if it's a small town just not being. Or also just you believe him and it's such a horrific, horrific story that you want to get the questioning over with him. you want him to please go like go to Costa Rica go to Europe like you have no family left like

your story is horrific you know she's in a wheelchair she's in a hospital she's going to be awaiting trial so they just they like I said they just this is what we were told you know like when it's a suicide and then it turns out that it's not um and you have to and the family members have to like fight for it. But I also think everybody went into that trial, her parents and his parents and everybody else and herself believing this story to be 100% true, that she was the only one responsible for the most horrific thing that could ever happen. Yeah. I do think one of the most interesting parts of the trial was definitely her mother-in-law taking the stand because, I mean, I know girls who their mother-in-law would throw them under the...

the bus for much less. So the fact that she was up there saying that how amazing of a mother she was to her kids was really poignant to me. I think that in that too, like as you think about how sad that must have been for grandparents to like you, you know, your whole life for the first six years or whatever was just helping to raise grandchildren and now not having all those next 30 years of your life to be involved. I don't know if they have other children that have other kids, but like that part is so sad and to be at that place,

but maybe the mom got to that place too because it had been two years. Because her son does have the potential, he's now married to a fertility doctor, no less. Well, she allegedly also did not go to their wedding. The mother. His mother did not. Yeah, which is interesting.

To the new wife. Right. You might. It's a little bit. wonder or you or even if you believe again the most perfect thing happened at the hands of the mother you might have been like my son wasn't what he should he wasn't there to prevent this he wasn't doing all he could he was going on trips he was um you know only taking the easiest oldest child around you know and i believe she also said on the witness stand that she did advise them for her not

to be left alone with the children. But Patrick testified that they weren't told that by anyone. Right. And just knowing that like your son was just lazy and that you were like, I told you so. Like I warned you. And so I think that's why. And again, I said this from the very start. I think if Lindsay Clancy was not a paraplegic from the waist down paralyzed in a wheelchair, I don't think this case would be anywhere near where it is. You think? 100%. Because right away, when it first started, and we just believed the story 100%, we had no questions,

I've said this to a few people and they were like, you're right. It's just, you know, when other women have been on trial for ending their kids' lives, whatever that is. And there's been a few, one which is still. like a questionable one. She's doing life. It was the story. I don't know if you knew it, but this woman was in Texas, she was married. She had three kids and she fell asleep on the couch with her two little boys and it was like a nice neighborhood. And she said she woke up to a man in her house stabbing the kids and she too was stabbed and her baby and her husband were upstairs. And they convicted her. They said, no, there was no stranger that came in and it was you. And she said,

still in prison to this day saying I'm innocent. This was like 30 years ago. This was like 30 years ago and there was one moment where it was the boy's birthday and she hadn't been arrested yet and she goes to the grave and she sprays silly string on their grave and the some media person caught that and it went viral and it looked like she was laughing and having fun. But what they didn't is that she had cried and done all this stuff before and that the end was like they loved silly string and like this is their birthday but that's all they showed so it looked like she was celebrating and but there was you know enough evidence that they said no she did it and whatever the reasons were were not very strong and people have innocence projects and stuff

have tried to get her out and she's done documentaries and done interviews of still claiming to be innocent and that this is a story that happened, but it's a bizarre story. And so I think with with that, that woman was an attractive blonde woman. And there's something about if, you know, she could go on and have another life and have other children and get another great husband. If she was to get out, yeah, I just don't think this. I think she's, I think she's already confined to a wheelchair. She also tried to end her life. She didn't throw the kids and lock them in their car seats and pushed them down the river because she was dating somebody and then claimed that, you know, a black man carjacked or like Susan Smith, who still is behind bars.

Like it wasn't that. It was like no matter what, no matter even if, again, believing that she did it, she was suffering. She tried to be a good mom. She, you know, was misdiagnosed. Yeah. And then also the lawsuit that they both are suing the medical professionals. Yeah. So that story, they won't win that case if he did it.

Right. If he did it, then the medical professionals didn't fail her. The only way they could win that money is if they failed her to the point where she became psychotic and did it. and didn't mean to do it. I guess that's the thing, too, is if this is just as simple as she had postpartum psychosis and she did this, it all goes back to the fact that she spent months seeking out medical professionals and suicide hotlines and medication and was reaching out to everyone around her to try to get help.

Yeah. So then it becomes a bigger conversation of, and I think what Reddington is trying to prove or say now is this person was seeking all the help in the world and it wasn't provided for them and this was the result of that. So now what? Well, the craziest thing that happened is let's talk about the news that came out that allegedly people believe they found Patrick's Reddit name. Yes. How does someone go about finding that? Do you know? I don't, I believe it was maybe from his email, his email address. Oh, okay.

Yeah. And that just, this news is like within the last day or two. Yeah, maybe 48 hours minus. And you put this together. I didn't put this together. Oh, you didn't put this. This is given to me. Somebody else put this together.

And his name allegedly was Willie Dream World. And he's just on using Reddit as almost like, you know, what it's used for. hey on Reddit, I'm moving to Oregon. What's the best city to live in with the best prices? Like there's stuff like that and then there's, you know, darker Reddit subgroups. But some are just like very helpful, you know? So he would go and ask questions. And like, what are the ones that you, that this person highlighted that thought it was very interesting?

The things that stood out to me were actually at the bottom of this. You can actually see the day of the murders. This one says warning signs for a seizure. Started with five already done to 2.5. So basically he's asking a lot of questions about her drugs and what it could result if taken wrongly or different doses or whatever. And so someone would then say,

why is he asking these questions on a Reddit page when you could just go to her doctor and ask unless you wanted no one to know that you were asking these. questions. Yes. And what would this knowledge, how would the knowledge benefit you knowing it, you know, without your doctor knowing that you asked it? And so again, allegedly some people think maybe he was messing with her meds. Right. Without her knowing. Which was a question of mine at the time being that in her drawer in the nightstand, there were all of these empty pill bottles. And a lot of them were prescribed, or some of them were prescribed days, maybe weeks before this all transpired,

and she notoriously did not overuse her pills. She documented every single pill that she took, how many milligrams, and what side effects that she was experiencing from it, because she was paranoid about not wanting to take the wrong thing or becoming addicted to them. So it's interesting that then she has a nightstand full of empty pill bottles that also was there after after the police search had concluded. Those were only found because Kevin Reddington went to the home and did a search of the home. And then there also was another bag of pills

that were in Patrick's car as well. There's a lot of stuff that's just weird. But the most shocking thing to me was, and this was on the 24th, so the day of the murders. It says eventually the realtor will want to enter a new address to add contacts. So there's something to do with creating a form or something for an open house. He wasn't a real estate agent.

So what is he doing on the day of the murders looking that up? So that, you know, yeah, like he's trying to figure out how he'll sell this house. I mean, that's how it would appear to me. So maybe he was going to think, maybe he was thinking, you know, I'm going to try to sell it myself. Which again. That makes sense. He was looking to move to New York. Someone would also argue he was maybe planning on getting divorced, not ending his kid's life, getting ducks in a row.

Anyone would tell a woman, you know, plans, plan ahead if you are ready to leave. Yes. You know, figure it out. So, you know, if he was having a fair or not, maybe he was just knowing that he was not going to continue this life with her and he wanted out. So that I'm just saying, but yeah, it's suspicious. And then he was deleting them. Yeah. When did he start deleting them?

Like in the last 48 hours? So as soon as people started reporting on this, so also it was, it's a girl named Sky on TikTok. And she started telling people before she sort of got everything herself and started reporting on it. But Sky put all of this together. And as soon as she said the name, all the sudden and everything went down. But they'd already locked. the name which is called Willie Dream World. Yeah. Dreamwalled.

Sorry, DreamWald. I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, she had already pooled everything. People had started doing their research. People are a lot more educated on how to pull this stuff than I am as far as they know websites that you can go to to pull things that have been deleted. So people have been doing that as well. And they've been cross-checking it.

And this account is linked to an email that says Patrick W. Clancy at whatever his email address is. Yeah. And there's also a Twitter, Twitter account, which I didn't really look into or see anything that was standing out that felt incriminatory to me. But just those couple things, especially being at the time that they are, is just, it's just bizarre. Like, and not to be woo-woo or whatever, but I'm not a person who believes in, I don't

believe in coincidences. So just to see all, like you said at the beginning, if there's one or two things, that are off, it's like, it's off, but there's so many things throughout this entire thing that just don't make sense. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that we'll ever know, you know. It's like, OJ, it was all down to a timeline too until, until DNA came in. And they were like, we got it down. We got the, you can't deny the DNA. But, you know, the jury just, it was too boring. It was too hard to follow. It was two new and they, you know, were taken by the defense. And, you know, that's why it's, that's why OJ got off. Like, it was shocking to all of them. But they, without the DNA, there was questionable

timeline things in that. Because I remember that case so well of like someone saw the Bronco crossing the street and then, you know, and Cato heard the three things as he probably jumped over the wall, but that's where the glove was found. But then did a racist detective drop that glove and this and that. But the blood that was like there was all proof of the DNA. And they just were like, it was too new. Now if someone says there's DNA proof, we're all like, well, then it's done. Because we understand DNA.

But back then. Even that is a whole other thing, though, because I believe his DNA is on the bands and then hers wasn't. or it was inconclusive with the kids. I also feel like when people were talking about the Apple Watch and the Surface Pro and all that, to me that was also confusing. I was like, okay, so just explain it to Layman. So you're saying that he presented himself as her searching these things

or that he took the watch with him or that he didn't take the watch with him or that she took the Apple Watch off. Like I was confused by what people were insinuating when they would talk about that. So she took off the watch at 523. And so this is weird at all. Again, it's another point where it gets weird. She takes off the watch at 523.

He sends that email from his Surface Pro at 524. And so he left the house early as 525. So why is she taking off the watch right before when she, they were able to have. people on the witness stand who said specifically if something was from the, you know, Apple Watch or if it was from her phone and when she's going up the stairs. And but I don't, again, I tried not to go into the conspiracy of it all with people saying, did you see this person in the gray sweatshirt? And it looked like they handed him something. And that was the watch. And right. But I do think it's weird. Yeah. At the store. There was somebody, somebody saw this person that could be a man or a woman in a gray sweatshirt. and it looked like he could be handed something, but I also agree. I was like, if that was really the case, why wouldn't you just go,

I'm going to leave it behind in the back of this aisle? Why would you have to actually go and give it to him? So I agree. There was them, but, you know, and then there's just people that do this know that this was a hot topic, you know? It was like a big thing that people were talking about. But now that it's a mistrial and stuff,

I know that my audience, a lot of people like to just move on. Right. Like wherever when the UFOs were over New Jersey and we just are like, whatever, Epstein files, all right. Yeah. Like, are we just going to, what's going to happen with this? Right. But it's just like fascinating.

And there's just, like I said, there's so many. I mean, I hope somebody takes it and really does do a documentary about. it or a movie or something and like utilizes all this stuff and then people can just take it for what it is. But I think with the legality of everything, now everyone's just like scared because there's this big legal case against the medical professionals. Also, is that a way for Reddington, for them to prevail and for Redding, now I don't know, but lawyers get paid. Is that something that he is was like, I'll take a lower fee or I won't charge you a whole amount. I'll wait till you win this case or I'll help you win that case.

Which again, no one can win that case if Patrick did it. If Patrick did it, they will not win this medical case. That's true. This malpractice situation. The only way that you can win is that she did not get the medical professional help that she needed. And because of that, she became psychotic because of that. of that, she did this horrible crime. And that was something that Reddington was going into in his first interview. The one he did first, which was Good Morning America. He was talking about the first

Dr. Jennifer Tufts who had only been practicing for two months, I believe, and was talking about the fact that she was a specialist in postpartum. So in the grand scheme of things, like what you're saying is, right, there's no people to go after if it is as simple as... Right. She just, or I guess, or if it's not as simple as he did it. Well, we are going to conclude here. And then, but we're going to talk more, which you guys will see on another show, with Matthew about his juicy life before he became a detective. But tell everybody really quickly where they can follow you. Your TikTok is.

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