Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - The Mafia and RHONJ with Kim D

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

Kim De Paola returns to Juicy Scoop to discuss her book and to give us lots of inside scoop on what is really going on in Jersey. I ask the tough questions about growing up around gangsters. What it's like to marry in to the mob and not ask questions like, "where is our money coming from?" When it comes to her role in the Real Housewives of New Jersey, we finally get clarity on her motivations and relationships. She also weighs in on Teresa and Dina Manzo's friendship and if Luis played a part. What about these lawsuits? She gets real about where the franchise might be headed and the real reason there was no reunion. So juicy and fun. Enjoy!  Go to https://Booking.com. This summer you can book whoever you want to be on Booking.com, Booking.yeah! Book today on the site or app. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code JUICY at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Get 20% OFF @honeylove by going to honeylove.com/JUICY ! #honeylovepod Visit Sonobello.com/summer and listeners can access the exclusive summer savings event featuring the best pricing of the year Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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going for dessert, make this your best summer yet with P.C. Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales, her real life Mr. Segment, serial data, and serial systems. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up, woo woo. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, this interview that I did is super juicy. It is with Kim D. You might remember her from Real Housewives of New Jersey, but actually she has a crazy

life story about growing up in the mob and who she married, how she got out, and then how she found herself on The Housewives. And we get her raw perspective of what is going to happen with New Jersey, the future, her opinion on everyone from Melissa to, of course, Teresa. We get into Dina Manzo and her sister Caroline. I really found this to be fascinating. Whether you follow the New Jersey Housewives or not, you will find this interview very interesting. And again, remember to go to HeatherMcDonald.net for all my live dates. San Diego with Julie Goldman, Texas in August, and Saratoga in California. Both of those

are with Chris Frangiola and the rest of the dates are all there at HeatherRinkDolland.net. All right, now for Kim D from New Jersey. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have returned guests. Kim D, the famous Kim D from New Jersey, Get Real with Kim D, author. She has a book coming out. She did Juicy Scoop. We did it, I don't know how many years ago, maybe four years ago. And I'm excited to talk to you. Lots going on in New Jersey and with you, welcome back.

Thank you so much. So you gave me inspiration for the book. Oh, good, good one. What did I say? You were the first person to ask me who the big boys were. Yeah, so I want to thank you for that. And let's start. Who are the big boys? You explain the big the big boys.

If they really want to know exactly who they were in my life, they can buy my book, my life with the big boys, but it consists of politicians, gangsters, like just all kinds of people that like major businessmen, millionaires, just all kinds of people, including my mother and my grandmother who raised me. You know what I mean? So I consider them my big boys. They were my first. So on. But when you see the book, you'd understand what I meant.

And that just blurted out of my mouth. I had never said that before until I was yelling at Joe Gorgia. I had never said that before. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. Like you basically, you know, have been you were featured a lot in the first couple seasons. And then, you know, been very vocal with the podcast. when you were featured a lot in the first couple seasons. And then, you know, been very vocal with podcasts as guests

and you were on another podcast, which I wanna ask you about now you have your own. And, you know, it was always kind of confusing. I think as someone who watches it, but is, look, I'm a big fan. I know all the players I've watched every season, but I'm still like who you had issues with. Now you're really close with Teresa. Did you ever have an issue with her? Like, let's talk about like your journey between the hair being pulled at your famous fashion shows. All of it. Like just walk us through

where you are now with all the players. Started being very close with Teresa. Very close. Okay. To the point where she would admit she would call me like 17 times a day. We were on the phone till all hours of the night while she was folding clothes. While the show was on. We were filming like the next day.

So we'd be talking the night before me, her, Jacqueline, Loretta and then Jacqueline would like want to go to sleep. And I'd be on the phone like, oh, please, Teresa, let me sleep. Long story short, she makes up with her family, Joe and Melissa. I was told by certain producers and people that she's like, I don't need Kim D anymore.

And it doesn't really look good because she was, she, you know, went against my family. And now I want to make up with my family. She said to me, yeah. Let's stop it. No, I'm just gonna, I am gonna be interrupting you and backing up just so I, I want the listeners to not like be confused.

So she made up with her family. What year we talk is this before or after she went to prison before. So she she made good with Joe and Melissa. And she's still married to Joe judice. Right. He made good and so then you're told she told by producers but not by her to like, don't expect these late night calls anymore or what? Well, I still had phone calls from her, but I wasn't called back as a friend.

I just was. I just on on on on show. Right on the show. Got it. Oh, at first, because she was going to prison, I let it go. I was very hurt, but I let it go. I'm like, you know, the poor girl,

she's gotta leave her children, whatever. She comes home from prison and like, I don't know, it was awkward now. It was awkward. So I went to see her, whatever. And then, then I'm hearing more through the gray fund. Now I'm starting to get like a little more annoyed, you know? So I get- What are you hearing through the grapevine. Now I'm starting to get like a little more annoyed. You know?

So I get- What are you hearing through the grapevine? I'm just hearing like, I don't really know what I'm hearing. I'm just hearing some rumbling cause I'm very close friends with all these people. Rumbling that like, you know, that me and her aren't really close and you know, everything's so great with her and Melissa.

And I knew it wasn't true. And I was getting like, I'm just that little things like that annoy me. Like the big thing of me losing a job. You would think that would have annoyed me. But it was the little things. So now Bravo calls me back and says, will you come back on? I'm like, yeah.

Now, how many years ago is this or like what season is this? I don't know what season are we into now? 1316. Yeah, I think this is 13. I'm going to say maybe season seven, eight. It was right after the twins. Oh, the twins. Oh, right. Listen, right after the twins.

I love I love sometimes I love a one hit wonder. I can't. People that are Bravo historians, but they were the to hit wonder they have 2 of them that only did one season that was so bizarre, but anyway because I'm with amber member. Amber and the horrible husband. Oh my God find out if the horrible husband who is the DA there was always rumblings that like did he have anything to do with

Teresa's legal troubles and conviction being that he was a DA or a lawyer or something? I think he just knew. I don't think he was like in the same. I think he just knew, you know, so he knew some inside stuff. But anyway, so now I'm like rumbling because I heard when Teresa was away and I said this for many years that Joe Giudice was cheating. Now I live in the next town from them so and my friends

are all single so they would go out to places and see him right so I know this they would want to hear what like at a bar like way too flirty with a girl or even possibly on a date what would they see? Yes, kissing. Mm hmm. You know, they're together. Yeah. And it's kind of the girl that we all thought it was. OK. Oh, so there was there wasn't multiples. There was one. And that was specific.

And that was the one he was talking to in the vineyard on the phone. He goes, my bitch wife is coming. Yep. Yeah. Yes. And who was that girl? Like not to say her name, but like what was her story? Was she Teresa's age? Was she did she did she have a job? Was she married? Like what was her? She was not married. She was younger. She looked like Teresa and the rumor was and I'm not sure that she had babysat once or twice for the kids.

Oh, that's the worst. That was the rumor. That was one. There are there were a few, but that was the one I knew about. OK, so now they come to me and they know that I'm obviously I'm talking to them. I'm still friends with everyone. OK, so now they said, well, will you say that? I'm like, why wouldn't I say it? It's true. I have my new store, the new posh, the big, beautiful one. I would be silly to not film, promote my store,

have a fashion show and talk smack, okay? That's just who I am. You wanna mess with me? I'm gonna mess with you, okay. So now Dolores and Jacqueline Lurita come to my show and I say, is Teresa that delusional? Does she know? And they're like, know what?

About like the brunette, I go, well, there's a brunette and a blonde. And that's one of the things I say at the fashion show. And that's what starts the ball rolling of me being the enemy now of Teresa. Got it. Now I remember this. Yeah. Right?

Right. So, and then there was more. Now Ziggy comes on and her and Dolores come to my store and they're walking in my show. Right. So and then that's when I thought, which was a great scene when Teresa comes in with her crew and they think they're going to get all mafia on me and I'm sitting down. I'm like, come on, I'll take you all on. Let's go. And Teresa and I go at it.

And that's when she said what Posh stands for. And then, yeah. And you remember, come on, I'll take you all on. Let's go. And Teresa and I go at it. And that's when she said what Posh stands for. And then, yeah. And you remember, she said, got a piece of shit. Co-core home record every day. I'm like, wow, that you must have studied that one. You know, you know, she had like a piece of paper. It was like on the palm of her hand. So we made good TV.

We laugh about it now. So now fast forward. We somehow people in our lives are like, you need to make up like she misses you. You miss her. You made good TV. I think that there were some things that you thought were said that weren't vice versa. So I get a call from her attorney, James Leonard, who I became friends with. And he said, Would you, would you like to have lunch with Teresa and Louie? And meanwhile,

Teresa had texted me a few times. I said, of course I would. Why not? I go for lunch. Just like how Jacqueline Lareda described her lunch, like nothing ever happened. But one thing Teresa did when the two gentlemen, which were Louie and James, were getting going to the table, she stopped me. And she goes, I want you to look in my eyes. I said, okay. She goes, I swear to you, I did not try to get you off the show.

And I said, okay, I will accept, you know, accept what you said. I called Jacqueline after that and she goes, she didn't say to get you off the show. She said, she doesn't need you anymore because it doesn't look good with her family. So when Jacqueline and I and Teresa just did our last thing, our podcast, we all brought that out. So there was a miscommunication, but I think, you know, I had good reason to be her. You know, I really did. But I'm over it now.

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that means they're in jeopardy of losing a job, that type of thing. But even in Teresa's defense, do you think in her saying that to the producers that she didn't think three steps ahead, that by saying that, it did put you in jeopardy for staying on the show? Like she just might have been venting and been like,

well, it's not like I need Kim D anymore because I'm really trying to get good with Melissa. And then you get fired and she's like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. But that wasn't necessarily my total intention. I agree with that now. Yeah.

I agree with that now. I'm a believer. Yeah, now if someone was to say that in 2024, you know, we all know what that means as audience members, you know, which is kind of a bummer because back in those early days when you were on and stuff, there wasn't all this social media, there wasn't all this planning and plotting,

there weren't all the opportunities. It was fun to be on the show. But now you I understand why people like a Jackie is clinging on for dear life. Yes. Because when you're gone and you're at her level of being gone, it's not a pause like a Dorinda, you know, where like Dorinda will bring back for things or in design treat traders. Dorinda, you know, does the ultimateinda will bring back for things. Dorinda's on Traders. Dorinda, you know, does the ultimate girls trip, stuff like that. With Jackie, it's like, if they get rid of her now, I'm sorry, does anybody really care? I'm sorry. I don't know if you're friendly with her. I mean, I interviewed her. She's totally nice. I met the husband.

And I think to the audience, it just feels very, very desperate. However, I said this on my show, I was like, do you blame her? If you were about to lose the best job you've ever had in your life, wouldn't you come in early on a Saturday? Yes. So, that means, you know, showing up or like aligning with someone or being a little more aggressive in a scene to show your true feelings so that you just have more chatter about you. I get it. That's what the that's what it is. That's what it is. 1000% Leave it, you know. Yeah, listen, and I'm a single girl. I support myself. Do you

know, my son's father passed away when he was 11? I was divorced, but like I have to support myself. Okay. So of course I'm going to say yes to promote my store. Yes to sell tickets for my fashion show. Yes to doing that. Like I wrote my book, you know, sometimes I agree with you on most points. Yeah, like I think that if I was married and I was wealthy in my own right and I whatever, I don't know if I would be that desperate, but I don't know. You understand?

There's two things going on. There's the girl that really needs it because she's a single mom. She's like almost like a Shannon Baddour on OC. Dolores Catania. She's divorced. But even with Dolores, her kids are already out of college. Right. And are successful. But like with like a Shannon Bador, you know, she's great TV and all of that. But she would say on the show several times, like I'm divorced.

And because the kids are over 18, if her ex chooses not to help with the college tuition, and she went to a very expensive school and a sorority and everything, and she wants to keep that same to her daughters. So there is that pressure of like, I can't give up a million dollars a year. I'll do whatever. And then, you know, and then there's people like Ramona, who's like,

I don't need the money. I've done it for a long time and I've met a great guy and I'm loving social events in Palm Beach and I'm good for her. Like she did it right. Like, you know, not, not every time it works out for you where you meet the guy you have the windfall you just in a place for like and then there's just people who are addicted to the fame correct and they love it and they will do whatever it takes and you see some of these Housewives like a brawn went from OC that was you know on 4 years ago and she's only on for a couple years. Anytime there's a slow day on page six,

she'll get somebody to write some little article about her or whatever. Really? And it's okay, I don't blame her. Like you love it. She's trying to get back on TV. She loved it. It was the only job she had for 28 years and she loved it.

So it's like, there's a lot of those elements going in. And you're right. There's a lot of women that I've talked to, housewives and stuff that are like, well, my God, if I was had the wealth of this one, I wouldn't be fucking doing this. I wouldn't be having anxiety every day and worrying about friendships. And if my kids are mad that I was seen talking about them getting their period on camera, I don't need that, you know? Yeah. And my son is 34, you know, he's a pain in the neck.

He know he hates this stuff, but he understands why he loves the fact that I do a podcast now and he wasn't thrilled about me writing a book, but he's accepted it. Now. He never liked this and honestly, I never did it for like any kind of fame or anything. I was only like a big character on the show as a friend. It was more about the money, the promoting of my store,

supporting myself. I never ever cared about if someone goes, oh, is that Kim D? But who cares? That doesn't do it for me. And if I had a rich husband or a rich guy and I was could be in in Santa pay or Capri you think I want to be sitting behind a camera and a Jersey restaurant and I

love Jersey don't give me but that's not my cup of tea I do it and I still do this because I make a living doing it I make a living doing it you know so that's that's really the truth well I am but I love I am I am. But I love I am. I am going to San Tropez and Capri in a week. Oh, well, I've never ever gone because I had to get to a place where I could afford to go. There you go. And I my kids are older and I didn't go as a kid. I didn't go post college and I didn't go in my 30s or my 40s because I was always working and I never had that time. So it's like, yeah, now I'm going, you know, but it's like, I see what you're, what you're saying.

Now let's get into this season of, I have followed it all from the Twitter, Melissa all knows to the Melissa Feaster, who was Teresa's original podcast co-host to, you know, the, the other, the people that are on her side that have broadcast to hearing it all. And as somebody who's watched it all, now look, everybody's nice to me. I'm not on the show. I have a big platform. Every time I meet somebody, they're very pleasant. But again, I'm not on the show and I have a big platform. Every time I meet somebody, they're very pleasant. But again, I'm not on the show and I'm not Andy Cohen. So it's like I get people being cool

and nice. But I kind of agree with when Danielle said to Jennifer Aiden or which said in her confessional, I didn't want these people in the VIP section. I don't want all these other people that ruined our group, all these other voices, all these other bloggers, all these other people that are saying, do you know what she said and you did to did it? And I know she's guilty of that, too, but it's like. That's as the viewer, that's where we're like bummed. What the fuck was this? OK, how do you think?

I don't know anyone else who wanted to be on VIP, but I do know the one girl she was speaking about. Yeah. OK. Lena had opened up her salon two days in a row. The first day to fix one side of Danielle's here, the extensions were coming out. No pay or anything. Just as a friend. They had been to Teresa's birthday parties. They knew each other. And then the second day when she opened this line,

because then I was like, oh, my God, now the other side's coming out. She said specifically to Lena, make sure you email, but make sure you come. Make sure you email. I'm going to put you in the VIP. Now, Lena was standing on her feet all day. She's a hairdresser.

So when she went there, it's not like she wanted to be VIP. She just wanted to sit down. Do you know what I mean? This is only Lena's case. Do I agree that you don't want all these random people in there? You want some space? But when this woman did this for you and you told her, make sure you email so Mike assistant knows that you're in VIP and she is. yeah, and she bought a ticket, okay. Like what she did to her was really degrading and it wasn't very nice. Lena just left, you know, she just left.

I love the Real Housewives of Hairstyling and I would not be opposed to them having their own show. I actually spoke to this other hairstylist, Karen. Karen, she was on my show too. Who, you know, was trying to build up her reputation and social media and made a deal with Danielle and did her hair for two years in, in a handshake of like, you're going to promote me, you're going to tag me. They had a falling out. She didn't do that. And then from what she told me, Danielle felt just

because she took a photo with Jennifer Aiden betrayed that and then just said I'm going to go in another direction and then Karen didn't reap the benefits of her posting about her. Then we've got the Lena girl. Yes, you've got this other hair hair. Marissa Marissa. I was God like that the hair of Jersey like like you couldn't write this shit. You can't that that is a different have that's crazy it's that the drug is down to hair extension and hair extensions have played such a big role from Danielle's hair

being pulled by jazz daughter and yes, a clip from one of the old reunions where she brought in the styrofoam head that yeah, you'll stop to show and explain to a man. I care of how extensions work and he's really like intrigue he's I know little little teeth little teeth are here it attaches to your own hair so when she extension she actually pulled my own hair and then when she pulled the extension, she actually pulled my own hair. And then of course, Danielle pulls Margaret's pony. Ponytail. Years later, it's like.

It's wild. Hair played a huge role. She didn't just pull it. I mean, she yanked her head back. I thought she cracked her neck. I mean, that was some scene. What did you think of then when that was revealed that when Melissa said that when Danielle told, when Danielle felt she was getting squeezed out in the boot, she told Melissa, actually, Teresa told me that. And when we saw it, she did say it,

but again, she says it like in jest, like she says it like she doesn't. Like go do it. Like she doesn't. Like I really don't think I really do believe that like Teresa's not a plotter. No, but she does stuff things happen. And then she was like, you know, but so then so then with the confusion of this Twitter account, the old nose from the latest information, it sounds like Teresa's old podcast host, which she had a falling

out with, which when they first started, I just assumed that this other Melissa will call her blonde Melissa. Not okay. I thought this was one of her friends from years back and she was never featured on the show, but they have a great chemistry and they're going to do the show together. I did not know it was this, the attorney, which is also could be holding whatever they, what do they hold in New Jersey? They don't hold anything. Do they? I don't know. diamond. So yeah, no orange, no peach, nothing like that. Yeah, no. Anyway, but yeah, they just have their hands on their hips. But like he's played a role and I want to ask more about him. But anyway, he put them together. Right. He knew them and was like, oh, Teresa, if you want to have a podcast,

why don't you get with this girl? So then they start having it. And then I, I see that it just had disappeared and I DMed her and I was like, what happened there? And she was, didn't share much in the DMS, just that, you know, pretty like you could probably figure it out. I'm like, well, I can't, I'm asking you, but whatever, I get it. You don't want to tell me in a DM, which is smart. Don't tell me in a DM because she shared way too much in DMS and texts with other people, which has all been aired. But it sounds like everything that Teresa was accused of in colluding with these bloggers to put out information about, you know, John Futo's ex-wife and all this on Twitter so that then she could read it on a phone.

Right. Didn't address that, but they basically said that these same type of people were actually working with her co-host. Right. And it's like, I don't know who to believe. I know who to believe. Yeah, I know who to believe because I know all the characters. Okay, so why don't you explain what your now understanding is

because I tried to explain it on my show. And to be honest, even when I explain on my show, and I read all the comments of like, you know, because I do like 1020 subjects a day, right? People are not really there. It's they're not obsessed with it because it's too hard to follow. It is hard to follow. It's too hard to follow. So it's like, sometimes I notice that I'm like, oh my God, you guys, this is a juiciest thing. And then I realized it doesn't catch on because it's like it's like when

they tried to explain DNA on the OJ trial. Right. Jury interest. They lose interest. They're like, I don't care. But then you see that the glove doesn't fit. You must quit. And they're like, OK, fine. Like it's like there's, there's so much. So let's tell me what you think. I'll break it down.

I'm going to break it down short and sweet. Okay. Okay. There was a girl in California named Gabby. Okay. Melissa's old nose. So she had a very big Twitter following long story short, she's reaching out to Jen Aiden and Jen Aideniden like, can I help you?

Can I do anything for you like a fan? Jen Aiden takes the bait. Jen Aiden starts revealing things to her. Can you get me this information? Can you get me that information? And I guess Teresa did the same thing. She was given to her. A lot of times Teresa said, I wasn't asking.

She was giving. A lot of people DM us. You know what I mean? I'm sure I get it too. I get it too. I get, and I'll get something like, Oh my God, you got to follow this case in my town. This person, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then usually what I do is I'll Google it. And if it's like daily mail wrote about it, then I'll talk about it and I can add a little more, but I'm very reluctant to ever share any kind of scoop, whether it's housewives until it's like someone else has reported on it

because I don't want to be that person that's like, you know, saying something that I have no facts about, you know, right. Well, the girl, the girl who worked with Jen for a couple of years and was sending to all this stuff, turned on Jen, turned on her. And why do you think she turned on her? I don't really know, but what I heard was that when BravoCon went down and there was a big story about Louis Rorellis

being mean to Melissa Feaster, the co-host, Melissa Feaster supposedly had talked to these girls. She's friends with this love, Gabriella, and told the story. And that's when they start turning all the tree. Some of the tree huggers that were involved in this group start turning on Teresa, which means you turn on Jen. Okay. So now that part's not complicated. But what happens is this Melissa's old nose starts putting out on social media. Jen Aiden's phone number. She starts putting out all the things that Jen Aiden text her all the things that she found out for them and how they were saying good because now that's

their storyline. Do you understand? So that's that's the nutshell now, Melissa feast and how they were saying good, because now that's their storyline. Do you understand? So that's the nutshell. Now, Melissa Feaster, what they're saying is, once that happened in BravoCon, Melissa Feaster was totally ticked off at Louie, at Teresa, and she turned on them, but didn't say anything to Teresa.

She kept doing the show. So it was all behind the scenes what was going on. That's the bottom line of what happened. That's exactly what happened. And then when did Teresa find out that there was this stuff with her co-host going behind the scenes while she, in Teresa's mind I guess, was like,

oh my God, for a month, you were like acting like we were good. How did she react to that? A week before the show stopped, like whoever whenever whenever Namaste, bitches stopped. She found out that we said she had a feeling. But she found out for sure that Melissa was talking to them. And that's when she had a feeling, but she found out for sure that Melissa was talking to them.

And that's when she just nixed it. Supposedly they were going to come on and say, we're parting ways. But I think it got so ugly, Heather, that Teresa just said, I'm not. I don't want to even be. I don't want to talk to her. I don't want to be seen with her. I'm done, you know, but that's what happened. So about, I don't remember the last Namaste Bitches that was on, but the last one right after that

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I do believe that Louis said that, because we heard him say it. I do believe he was investigating a couple because of his ex. They were talking to her. But I think- Louis ex, that whole Louis ex thing. Louis ex, the one that, yeah. but I think that Louis X, the one that yeah. So I think that a frustration, the way he said it was I have files on all of you.

I think Bo Dito probably said, like, they all have skeletons in their closet, every one of them. So I but I don't think that Louis paid to have every one of them investigated. I would be very surprised because it costs a lot of money to do that. But I do believe that Bo Dito probably they were friends and Bo Dito probably said, I got stuff on all of them. Like, what do they think they are talking about you? Because I have stuff on all of them. That's the way I see it. After talking to everyone, that's the way I see it. But he did say on the show, I had you all investigated. He said that and that created a lot of issues. And I mean, obviously you're good friends with Teresa. And so you like Louis

for her, you support their relationship. So is it difficult that he is in the news and, relationship. So is it difficult that he is in the news and you know his his business partner on this Vivian or Vivian or whatever it is the Nivea is yeah, the Nivea the Nivea is is being you know sued and that story what what have you heard on their and like anything you can share about what he's saying that. I believe what I know from speaking to people, you know, I haven't spoke to her about it,

but someone very close to them. That, cause I don't want to bring it up to her. You know what I mean? I'm sure she's going through enough. Yeah. I think my personal opinion, I think this is what's going to come out. If you read between the lines here,

first of all, everybody was making fun of Louis. Oh, he doesn't own it. He doesn't own Vinnevia. The other guys do. Okay. So wait a minute. So now when all these people weren't paid, what now Louis owns it? I believe Louis got duped too. I believe the money he invested, he was duped too. That's my belief. Now, am I going to sit here and bet my house on it? No. But the way it flows, that's the way it looks to me, Heather.

It looks to me like these millionaires got him to believe in this, too. Well, the way I reported on it, too, because I was like, look, he's named in it. He's mentioned it. But I don't know that he, from what I can tell, doesn't look like he is actually being sued, but he's mentioned it as someone who was kind of like the face of it. Right. He did reach out and tell me he was doing this and asked if I was available to host it. I was doing another show at another state. He then, you know, sent me another thing inviting me, but again, I was gone.

Right. But then what I noticed is that none of them were promoting it. Nobody was posting on it or doing it. None of the girls were. And so then when this shit went down, I was like, in his defense, maybe that's why he wasn't promoting it.

Maybe he found out it really wasn't flying or really wasn't what it was going to be. I can see why people wasn't promoting it. Maybe he found out it really wasn't flying or really wasn't what it was going to be. I can see why people would invest in it. At that time, everyone was saying TikTok was gonna be shut down. So you go to people that are that savvy in social media but are billionaires and you say, this is gonna be shut down,

here's the thing that's gonna take over. And then, now we don't hear about anything from the girl that launched the party that I going to take over. And then, you know, now we don't hear about anything from from the the girl that launched the party that I was, you know, invited to. She wasn't paid or she was paid very well for all of that. So, you know, but then again, you know, if he wasn't famous, if he wasn't on the show, this is something that wouldn't be on Hollywood Unlocked, you know, 1000%.

Yeah. And I think that more information will come out. I just think he could if this is true, what I believe. Okay. He's got to be real in himself. We're talking over a million dollars. You know, I mean, if somebody would dupe me for a dollar, I get upset. Never mind a million.

I would be freaking out. So I believe more will come out about this. I read it. And like I said, it's complicated elements. There is a mention of him. There's a loan here. There's a this, there's that. And I'm like, I'm not going to try to explain on my show and then explain it wrong and have people like, you know, angry with you. So it's like, if you're interested in that, go look it up and make your own thing.

Like public records, there's been articles written, but it is, you know, confusing. And so what, everyone doesn't know what's going to happen. Why do you think they chose not to have a reunion? I'm gonna start, I'm gonna answer. That's an A and B question. I'm going with B first and'm going to answer. That's an A and B question. OK, would be first and we'll go back. OK, for Bravo and Sirens to cancel a reunion

where you make the most money, OK, millions of dollars in commercials. It's their biggest sale. The reunion people wait for. They have to be so aggravated and disgusted with this cast that to do that, okay? I don't feel that this cast will be coming back. That's my opinion. I don't feel it is. I know someone who called Andy on the cast and was devastated and he said, I'm sorry. What does that mean? I'm sorry means I got no answers for you. Jonathan, now you if you say I'm sorry, don't worry, hold off, we'll work it out. That's different. Just I'm sorry. That doesn't sound good to me. So let's go to A. Both parties, meaning the Margaret, the food is that those people were dug in.

We're going to get Teresa out. Don't worry. Let's ice her out. We're going to get her out. We're going to have the show and Teresa and Jen and then we're like, they're not going to get Teresa off the show. They were dug in. And what they did was they all crossed their arms, stomped

their feet and said, I'm not filming with this one. I'm not talking to that one. I'm just not gonna do it. You can't do that with Bravo. Your ass is on the line for $2 million. You're making a million. You're making 800,000. No one's bigger than Bravo, Heather.

You saw that. No one's bigger than sirens. You can't do that. In my podcast, I said, people work a lifetime and do not make the money that these people make in three months to have a camera follow you around, okay? And they flushed it down the toilet bowl. That's what they did.

I would, like, listen, you could stick a camera anywhere you want on me for that kind of money anytime you want, all right? I really, I mean that and they just I don't get like I just don't get it but now I get it. Bravo is not going to put up with it. That's why there's no reunion. There's no they don't see any what is that the word that they look for angel they don't see a resolution. These people are dug in. They're not going to make up. He saw that at the finale. The finale is ugly.

We know how many episodes do we have left? Yeah, I think there's maybe four left or. Yeah. And then they'll do something, but who knows what they'll do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I I think that that that is true. I first I first thought they're not going to have one because even though they make money, it costs money and also to punish them. But also I thought with all this ugliness and legal stuff, they didn't want a reunion like the DNA portion of the OJ trial. They did not want all the receipts and all the text.

And they didn't want it to be like, you know, Salt Lake City where an actual troll account got on the show and they did not want to give this girl, and the name. I mean, Melissa, the fact that we have to keep calling Melissa's old nose. I can't even. And so cruel whenever it's cruel. I don't think. And so cruel. When every single. It's cruel. I don't think there is anyone on the cast that hasn't had a nose job.

No, everybody's. Everyone's had a nose job multiples. Everyone has had boobs. Everyone has had butt fat. So it's like, you know, and that's why I think it's kind of good that she doesn't let that bother her. Melissa's so good for her. Yes. But like, you know, it's just, you know, and it's just so gross and cruel because I'm like, when you find out that this girl, that that woman, you know, has a daughter with special needs and you're like, and you, and your free time, I can't imagine how stressful you get, you get some type of weird relief and joy. She did out of doing this stuff, but having joy out of

it. Yeah. But it was also getting a little light from these people. And you know, you see it, you know, you see it sometimes and the fans are so great. Like my juicy skippers are a different level of like Bravo type fans. But when you go to Bravo con, you know, you see it and it's fun. It's football fans. It's like, it's like there's football fans that go to the game and they cheer on. And then when their guy drops the ball, they go home and they go to bed. And then there's people that paint their face and get in a fight with someone else. And you're like, what the fuck are you doing, loser? Exactly. And, and, and unfortunately, because the franchise has gotten so big and because everyone

has a voice thanks to social media, which they didn't 15 years ago, these people infiltrate. And it's like, I think that they have to figure out going forward the next phase of what Bravo will be the new shows. Yeah. Will it be that these people, you know, have to give up their social media handles for six months like they do in Australia with reality stars? Right. Will it be that, you know, they have to crack down on these people telling everything on Amazon lives and podcasts and stuff? Yeah. Hey, listen, they're not getting the screeners.

They're not getting the screeners anymore. Like the housewives would get the screeners before. They stopped that. They stopped it a couple months ago because of this. You know, when they used to have to do the blogs, which some people like a Carol Radzowel, who's a good writer, had a nice time doing it. Other people had to have their assistant help them. And then that's what they would go at the reunions. That's what they would go back to. You said on your blog

that blah, blah, blah, blah. Now there's so much more of you said on this podcast, you said on Watch What Happens Live, you said, you said to this loser at two in the morning on a DM that you didn't know from Adam that I was a bitch. And it's like, we don't want that. Can't be the reunion. The can't be. Can't be all these things that we didn't see on TV. Now. And that's why I think they were like, fuck it. We don't even want to deal with it. Also, I think it wasn't a terrible strategy because it, there wasn't a lot of chatter about New Jersey until they announced there wasn't going to be a reunion. And until they announced there wasn't gonna be a reunion. And it has gotten better.

The last two episodes have gotten better and more interesting. Yeah. And so I'm like, yeah, get everyone to watch the last four episodes then. And so you think, so in your opinion, you think they're going to do a major rehaul cast.haul cast like yes, a couple and bring on a whole bunch of new right well Andy Cohen was recently on a red carpet and I

watched him being asked because it was there was some things in the news like this these 3 are going to be kept to whatever right side do not believe anything you say or here in the news we are not discussing Jersey until maybe another six months. If that. If that we have no desire to even talk about it right now, we need at least six months to let this all. But it's interesting because the same thing happened with Vanderpump. Yeah, I'm like all these big, big anchor shows. It makes me think

that they're like, gonna really, really, they're trying to figure out like, does this formula even work anymore? Like we definitely want to have reality shows, but maybe we're gonna really like go in a different direction for the next, you know, 10, 20 years. What is it? You know, I don't know. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking they're having a lot of dark. It gets too dark. These people want to hurt each other, like not even just physically. They want to hurt each other. They want to get somebody put in jail. They want to get people investigated. They want to bring up your dirtiest time of your life. Like they're going in, you know, before it was lighthearted and was fun.

Yeah, we would bring up some stuff. You know what I mean? But we didn't like these people are so dug in and then they have these people like love Gabriella, Melissa's old nose living for doing this investigation gate of work. And like I remember Teresa saying she's shooting me these DMS. I don't even want to see them like I don't even want to see them. I don't want to. I don't want to be involved in this. But like she loved it. Like this is crazy because she felt like she was in right.

Someone that you look up to like a reality. Like, listen, Teresa is a pretty big star. So all of a sudden now she has her number. Jench has Jen's. So they get all excited. I mean, it's a major fan, you know, and she's all of a sudden now she has her number, Jen Jen Jen Jen, so they get all excited. I mean, it's a major fan, you know, and she's all of a sudden talking to them and DMing them, but I gotta tell you, they all do it.

They all do it. Well, the housewives, it's just that this girl turned on them and put it out there, but they all do it. Right, and then, you know, when I was just thinking about it was Jack, Jackie went to a book signing of Teresa's. Yes. And they had it out a couple of seasons ago. And, you know, in which, you know, Jackie was, you know, talking about Teresa's intelligence and Jackie and Teresa was saying, I, you're a fan. And she's like, I just happened to be. Yeah,

right. The book signing and that. And then all of a sudden now Jackie is like, Oh, I don't care about everything that happened in the past. I don't want to hear about it from you, Margaret. Like I, and it's, it's just very obvious. She might enjoy Teresa, but like, yeah, of course. And it, and you're watching it and it feels like seventh grade. Yes. And it's like, they didn't want you at the slumber party anyway. Exactly.

They didn't want you. It's only because your mom makes the best cupcakes that they invited you, you dumb bitch. 1000%. They don't even want you on the squad. And it's kind of funny, but then as a woman who's over 50, it does feel really gross and it's like, it's kind of triggering to watch. It is as you're like, Oh my God, no wonder women aren't further along in the world because we're still like this.

And then as you're watching it, you're like, well, am I part of the problem? Because I'm watching it. I know, I know where the fans are almost having are questioning themselves in their integrity. Because I agree. Am I still watching it? They're all saying, oh, it sucks, but we're all still watching it. Yeah, it's like a train wreck. You can't stop. Yeah. You want to see where it ends.

You want to see where it lands. You know, you were all invested, right? Yeah. So if you invested so much time, what are you gonna just stop midway? You want to see it through. So I want to see it through. I want to see what happens. I'm dying to see.

I know a little bit about the finale, but I want to see how it all transpires. You know, I'm dying to see it. But you know, listen, there are certain things that we can see right through, like the Jackie situation. I do believe that Jackie started turning against Margaret when the rumor about her husband started. And I think she started realizing that the rumor did start with Margaret and Joe.

That's where the rumor started. So I think that was her turning point. So she believes that the rumor started there and it went to this Laura. Joe Gorgia, Joe Gorgia at the card game. And then Joe told Teresa, yes, because they were talking at the time. Right. Right. So I believe that there was there was something in her mind to get her when someone said, do you want to flip? Yeah, I want to flip.

And it's easy because now she really believes that Margaret might have done this to her and you know what's better on this side, I'll get more camera time. Right. No, it was a combination of things, Heather, in my opinion. And then also I think if you're going to jump ship and you really have to decide. Yep. I mean, who is the, no, famous face of the Housewives? Exactly. And if you got a shot, take it. Yeah. But it is very obvious. And it's just like,

because we've all seen that girl, whether it was in seventh grade or on the show, it's just like, hmm. I know. It's just like, it's kind of pathetic. Yeah. I would never, I wouldn't do that. No, I mean, I know, like, yeah, we're different. I would never I wouldn't do that. No, I've had stuff like that happen, you know, in my world and my podcasting world. And I was like, no, I'm sticking with what's right. And I'm sticking with my friends who are females. And I saw everybody just stay silent about it. And I was like, oh, okay. Amazing. I know I'm on the right side of history.

I know it'll all work out. Carve is a bitch, it'll all work out and it's showing itself. And like, so yeah, I don't agree with that. Even though you think, well, this is where the money is. Oh, this is where the opportunity is. No, like, ew, ew. And we're seeing it.

Someone who doesn't need it. She don't need it. She has money. She has, you know what it. Someone who doesn't need it. She don't need it. She has money. She has you know what I mean? She don't need it. So that to me, I'm sorry. That gives me more of a Nick Factor. Yeah, you know, like I said before, there's people that really need it. And, you know, they're going to make a move to keep stay on the show for whatever.

But in her case, no. But, you know, listen, she this episode, she sees how Teresa was like, I want the information, you know, and Theresa comes right out and says I cracked up. I'm like, oh, my God, she's learning, you know. Yeah. And I mean, even Theresa goes, I don't care about her. I mean, she says it. She's like, I don't care about like, but then she was, you know, acting nice before. But yeah, of course she does it. And it's just like, yeah. And I think everyone at home is like, I hope you're happy, you know, dummy. But that's what Margaret was just saying on a podcast, too. Like you made the you made a big mistake, that type of thing. You know, let's talk a little bit more about your book.

And what are some things we're going to find out? Tease us a little so people buy it. OK. Their inside scoop on How's Wives. What I do're inside scoop on housewives. What I do is I go through my life. My life was very colorful since I was a very young girl. Wonderful childhood, wonderful life. But when I did botched, when I did botched, I was one of the premiers. OK.

Oh, what did you have done on you? I have my boobs. I had a problem with my right boob. And they're wonderful, though. They're just wonderful. Dr. Dubrow did my. so I go and you have to take the site test. OK, so I took a 500 questionnaire site test and takes two hours. They give you whatever. Now I go in front of the the psychiatrist and he says. I think you're going to be a little surprised what I found.

And I swear to you, Heather, I said, I don't think so, because I'm not like anyone else. And I didn't mean that like, oh, myself, I just know I'm different. He said, you've answered every question like a man. You have a man's brain. You have a man's brain. I'm like, oh, that's why I put all two and two together. My relationships, my friendships, and my advice.

It was really came to me that that's why my life has gone a certain way. So I feel that this book, I share my relationships with men, married twice, engaged, the love of my life of 13 years passed away. I, so I had it all. Divorces, engagement, breakups. I walked away from every relationship. Okay. It was like more like, you know, man, they kind of go through women or whatever. I walked away for specific reasons.

So part of the book is my life as a child, the big boys, my stepfather, who they have to buy the book to know who he was, the men that I were with, how they were big boys, and then how it leads to the show. And how me filming the Jersey housewives was really very small in my real life is much more exciting than the Real Housewives of New Jersey. And Margaret even puts that in my book. I got forwards from all the girls. Jacqueline wrote a forward, Teresa, Dolores, Siggy, Margaret, and John Futter. So is Jacqueline still in Las Vegas? She lives in California. She lives in the OC.

Oh, okay. She lives in the OC. I stayed friends with Jacqueline throughout the whole time. And Dolores, I've been where. What's your opinion of the whole Dina Manzo situation and her ex-husband getting convicted for attacking she and her husband? Well, I like Tommy Manzo, so it puts me in a difficult position. I do not believe in violence.

I had a situation like that with my son's father who passed away. Same thing. He hired. He hired somebody. He didn't have to hire. He was going to do it himself. He was in the mob. He was with the Genovese family. OK, and my stepfather had to step in and they had to have a meeting. And he said, basically, at the meeting, I'm going to kill her. She's my wife. And his boss said, you can't kill her.

We'll kill you. And he said, I don't care. You're going to have to kill me. That's sort of God. That's what I went through. It's in the book. OK. And he didn't. I'm still here. But I get it. I get that life. And it's not listen. It's just it's a crazy life.

And these people still do these things. OK, and I should have known then. But I was a young girl and I got involved with a man who was 10 years older than me. And the life was fun. And it was regimes and the Gucci luggage back then. And the Europe, you know, vacation for a honeymoon. I got pregnant right away on my honeymoon. But once you had

my had my child, I'm like, this isn't for me. You know, now try to get out. Very difficult. When you're really in that mafia world, you all see the shows, we all have soprano. And because these gangsters are not our smell nice and have nice clothes and they go to church and their delights. Do you not see them as like the same type of murderer that would like kill a wife or something because it's like in the name of like family and you disrespected like when they do kill people, do you see it as like not as bad as like the Menendez brothers killing their parents or like, do you see murder in a different circumstantial way

as someone that's associated with them? Listen, in my book, my mother's second husband who really raised me since from two to about 10 or 11. And then I stayed close with him until I got married to my husband. Okay. So we were close. She divorced him. That's a story in itself. I should have learned from what my mother went through trying to get away from him, but I did the same thing. Like I can't explain, like when you're young and impressionable and you're used to that life already,

I was used to that Copacabana when I was six years old, the front table like Goodfellas, I rubbed noses with Jimmy Durante. Diana Ross was told, you need to take a picture with this little girl. I have the pictures. Ms. Ross said, I'm not taking it. They go, yeah, you are.

You're taking this picture and they took it. This was me. This was the way I was raised. So when I met someone else like this, it didn't, it seemed okay. But when you're with this guy, what did you tell yourself to where this money is coming from?

How do you tell yourself that you, now you know that the money, you know what I mean? Yeah, well, you know- You tell yourself part of it is from the pasta that they're selling and the rest of it because everyone wants to respect them. Like how in your head would you tell yourself? Would you just like not tell-

You don't really care. You don't care. He had a trucking business. My husband had a trucking business, okay? And you just don't care. Your life, you're 22 years old. You're sitting in regimes. All your friends are there.

Your cousins, your your back then the drinks there were twenty two dollars. Back then, you're being driven around in limos. You're he's buying you Gucci luggage. You're sitting at and and casinos gambling coming up. You don't you don't think that way. But what happened with me is when I had my son, it all flooded. It all flooded.

I'm like, this is not the way I wanna live. There was more to it, okay? But this is not the way I was eight months pregnant. The FBI was following me through the bank drive-through, asking me questions. I'm like, I'm not answering your questions. Now you're saying to yourself, what am I doing? It's one thing to be a young girl partying, but you think you're going to have kids and live a normal life? That's not going to happen. Now, like I said, now try to get out. So you don't care at the time. You don't think about it at the time. I was raised to not care and not ask for the money when they don't tell you.

They don't sit and have a discussion with you what they did to get the money and you don't ask. But some people can stay with that situation. And people like my mother or myself, we we we came to the reality. This is not normal. And this is not the way we want to live. But again, if you read this book, I sent this to a couple of people like producers and everything.

They're like, oh, my God, this is Netflix, you know, because it's all true, Heather, it's all true. And I can't believe myself that I did all these things. Like, I just can't believe that I survived all of it kind of changed. And now I'm sitting on my own podcast and I was on a reality show. Like it's just really people in that life. This doesn't happen to you know what I mean? It's just it kind of happened. They had the mob wives. It's true. Did you watch that show? However, I loved it. I loved Rita. Yeah, I was scared

to death of them. I loved them all. I'm friends with some of them. I wouldn't be on that show. They'll kick my ass. I'm not going to be on that show. That's scary. Well, do you know, I and I think some people are scared of this Jersey stuff, this new dress. I think people are legit, like kind of scared. Like, I don't I mean, even me covering it. I'm like, fuck, I don't know. Is someone going to go and like investigate me if I go against certain cast members? So I'm kind of like, look it up. Like, I'm just like, that's not I'm just a comedian that watches these shows.

Like, leave me alone. But I appreciate my that's why my book at each story goes back to a scene. And this and it tells this is how I was able to do this scene and film with these girls. It was it was nothing compared to what I really was my real life at one time. So that's why each episode, each scene that I create, I go back to my real life and I say, this is why this happened. It was nothing to me. This fight was nothing. This was because this is my real life and I say, this is why this happened. It was nothing to me.

This fight was nothing. This was because this is my real life. What I went through. So that's, you know, that's what the book shows. Well, I appreciate you being so honest about all that. Thank you. I do want to ask one more thing about the Dean of man. So, so there's some speculation that maybe Dina and Teresa are not as

close as they once were and these I'll tell you what the speculation is and you can tell me your opinion. One is she didn't go to the wedding because she does have anxiety after going through all this and she didn't want to be at a thing with a bunch of cameras, but she was there for the engagement and they're fine and they're good and she lives on the West coast and they're fine. The other one is there is a little bit of a distance because not only did her own sister write a letter in defense of Tommy Manzo, but so did Dolores. Right. So can you share anything of what you think is going on with them? I don't I don't believe that they are friends anymore. I don't know and Teresa, They are friends anymore.

I don't know. And Teresa, Dina Manzo and Teresa are not friends. I don't believe they are. Do I believe they're enemies? No, I believe Dina walked away from the whole situation. Anyone to do with Jersey, anyone to do with Dolores, Carla, anything, she doesn't want any part of it. She is in the O.C. with her husband, wants nothing to do with Jersey, doesn't speak to any of her family.

She's you know what I'm saying? So Teresa is just collateral damage. That's the way I look at it. This happened before with them. This happened before they didn't speak for two years when Dina first left the show the first time they did't speak for two years. When Dina first left the show, the first time, they did not speak for two years. Then that was Dina doing it again. Well, I interviewed Dina years ago and it was like one of my best interviews and I've

repeated it a few times because it was like the first time people understood the whole relationship between she and her sister. And it was really quite heartbreaking because when she was a single mom with her one daughter, she moved in with Caroline and then Tommy started coming around and that whole thing. And I interviewed her before these physical attacks on sheer happened. And but at that time she was, you know, not talking to Caroline and she'd felt Caroline performed for the, for the reunion to say what you did to my family. That's it.

That's what happened. That's what happened. Because, because Adina had said, don't bring up this stuff with Danielle because it has to do with my daughter's, first signing a release and with the first husband with the husband. And I just don't and we're fine and don't bring it up. And then she did because according to Dina, the producers did what they do. It's boring. This is bad. And then she did this and she was like, why would you like betray us and what we had decided what you know, by using my story for this big?

So that's where they had like a big riff. And then of course, when this thing happened, and then, you know, Caroline wrote the story, then, then I'll be her son went on his show and said, these letters were just to get them out on bail. Right now, it'll be interesting to see who writes a letter in pleading that he get less time. Right. So well, you know, the same people might, you know, it's really interesting because good people sometimes do bad things.

And bad people sometimes good things do good things. And bad people sometimes do good things. Tommy, basically, if you met him, he's a wonderful, generous guy who, when we're shocked, do you understand? Like the people that know him are shocked. Yeah, but I always joked, there were a million busboys in Beverly Hills

that said OJ was the nicest guy in the world. This is true. Like, of course. This is true, he can be the charming guy. He can be nice to you. He could be great to you. You know, it's just like when she was like, Oh, Tom Sable lent me $3,000 and nobody else would. Doesn't mean that he didn't cheat on his girlfriend under her nose for some. So it's like, I get why people are in that position, but you also have to totally respect why,

why someone like Dina would be like, Oh, yeah, anybody that's gonna even say, well, hurt people do hurt things or whatever. Like, especially with what she went through, like I've been betrayed by people. And it's nothing to the level of now walking into a home and thinking you're going to die and die physically hurt. And to know that thinking you're going to die and physically hurt and to know that you're, you know, and so I believe that that's why Caroline Manzo made this kiss with Brandy Glanville on Ultimate Girls Trip because she started talking, she wanted,

I think she started talking, she was drunk. I think she was sharing too much. This thing happened and I believe it happened and maybe she liked it. Maybe she didn't. Maybe she was like, that was too much. Maybe she felt it was encouraged or whatever. Right. But clearly this next step lawsuit, I believe, was a intention to never have this season see the light of day.

And it's a bummer because I talked to Gretchen Rossi and I really like the LTV girls trip and I'm bummed that they haven't filmed any others. I know and I want to happen we probably would have had 3 more in the can. Yeah, this is a great way to see yeah, of course I feel bad for Brandy and I kind of feel bad for all the Housewives need to because this was a great way for the retirees. And I mean, you know, I get it.

Do they want housewives to enter to be in their sixties regularly? No, but we can certainly bring them back and have these great times. I agree. So, and now I feel like there's nothing, there's no thing that they can even look forward to because I think they might not even do them anymore. I know it's sad. I believe Carol. I don't believe what, listen, I don't, I'm going to be very clear here. I'm not a big Caroline Manziel fan. Okay. I won't go any farther than that because I don't hate anyone. I don't,

I don't care enough to dislike them. Not a fan. And I do believe that everything you said is exactly the way it took place. Everything you just said is exactly right. That's what happened. Yeah, that's what happened. It's a shame. And I do feel badly for Brandi who's been hanging out to dry. Yeah, the stink on her and no, she's not being considered, you know, for some of these other shows right now until this stink is cleaned up. And, you know, and it's a damn shame. Yeah.

It does, it does kind of suck because that is a single mom that needs the job. There you go. I mean, she is really one and that's why she's like so devastated. You know, I don't listen. I don't blame her, but listen, if Bravo wants to come back and do a girls trip, I would very happily like to do one with Brandi and Teresa. And maybe we'll bring Jacqueline on. And guess what? If Brandi ever tried to kiss me, I would be like, listen,

you just got the wrong girl. You know, listen, I have my boyfriend died 11 years ago. I haven't been with anyone else. OK. He was the love of my life. I just not interested. I'm starting to get a little interested now, maybe, maybe. You know, love of my life. I just not interested. I'm starting to get a little interested. Now, maybe, maybe, you know, I like my life. But if Brandy wanted to kiss me, like, listen, you could kiss me, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

I think you should try someone else. That's all. You know what I mean? That's what's a big deal. You know what I mean? Come on. You know, when you're with Brandy, things are going to happen. Stop. But they, she, she I believe took it that far. Caroline, she didn't want to make it see the light of day. Yeah, too much. And she yeah, and then all of a sudden, he's

accusation. She did this to me. My childhood came back. What? What? You know, crazy. Yeah, a little but and I know from what I heard is that she had said, I'll never come back to Bravo. I'll never come back to Bravo. I'll only do this if I make this amount. And I heard the amount that she was asking for. And so, um, I guess on those shows it's favorite nations, but maybe it's not. So she did, they finally got to a level where she said, okay, I'll come back. I'll take the money. And then she does this. So they're probably like so annoyed, but so annoying.

Well, let's hope that they get through this. Yeah. And, um, and if they, what we say happened, they know it too. So maybe they'll get through all of this and you know, I don't know. But like I said, I'm disappointed too, because I think it's a great concept. I love it. Yes. I love it. And I do feel bad for Brandi. And you know, let's let's hope that everyone gets past this. Because when you take things too far like this, you hurt people. You make she hurt Brandi. And she hurt like you said, the other girls. It's not right for her own sake because you might have said the wrong thing about it. It's messed up. Messed up and I do feel bad for Dina I do you know I do. Well I had a great time talking to thank you I'm excited for

your book and let's make it a series who would you like to play you. Well I got to tell you you know what people used to say looked a lot like me years ago. Remember I'm in my sixties now, Nicolette Sheridan, they said when she was on Nots Landing, they were like, Kim, you look exactly, she looks, I go, she looks like me, she's younger. But like, I- Okay, so let's say, so if it's your life story,

we've got to have at least two significant actresses. So cool. Two of them, maybe Nicolette later. Yeah, who wants your, like,'s your 30 year 20 your 20 to like 35 year old girl? This is. This is really tough, cause I don't know. You know who I love with you.

It's nothing like me. One of my favorite is Emma Stone. I mean, I freaking love anybody. No, but Emma Stone could do anybody. I know she's not gonna want to play me. You know she's like never well. Well, you never know. Like, we'll find someone.

Who would you think? Who would you think? I mean, we're not even gonna try to do about looks because it doesn't really have to be about looks. No, we can't do the looks, exactly. I say you go for like a Sydney Sweeney. Do you know who she is? Yes, I do know who she is.

Just because that would, it would be like a fun, challenging role for her. Ooh. And then she could be you from like 20 to like, you know, 40, whatever. And then we jumped to the housewife stuff and have a different person play that. Yeah. Listen, from your lips to God's ears, I would love it. I'd love to be on set because you know what, Heather, there were so many stories that I

couldn't even put in the book. Like I really couldn't. I didn't want to hurt people that like my husband that was still alive, my boy, my fiance before Michael. Like I just, there was so many credit that I, what I do is like when I do my speeches or my book signings, I tell some of the fun stories because I don't want it like put out in the press.

But I have so many more things we're gonna do. We're to do a book club for my podcast so that I could give them the inside scoop, you know, because some fun things that took place. But I was afraid to put them in the book. I'm like, I don't need this aggravation, but I put enough. I put enough. Well, very glad we got to hang out. And this this is great. So tell everybody where they can follow you and all that stuff. OK, well, Kim, deep is my Instagram.

OK, and to get the book, there's two ways you can go on my website. Posh by Kim D dot com to get a signed copy. I do it myself. It comes to my house. I signed the copy. I stuff it. Put my little lips on and I'm going to the post office when I leave here, okay? Or you can go on Amazon now, and it's on Amazon. And that's it, and I love this. I love doing, I did one, a small book signing

at Max Mara in Riverside Square. They did a beautiful job. I'm collabing with Dolores on July 11th in Red Bank. She's coming to my book signing. I wanna keep it small because I deal with a little anxiety. So yeah, keep it small. But I thank you so much for having me too. I have a show in Red Bank.

In October, you'll have to come. Wait, let me just go to my phone. I'm gonna find it right now. So it's October 8th. Perfect, cause my fashion show is October 16th. So I'll be very available. But I want to know one thing. Can I come backstage after and take a picture with you? Of course. Of course. I will be there. I will hook you up. I promise. I would love it. Bring all the New Jersey girls. I will. Thank you so much.

Thank you Heather. Thank you.