Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - The Valley and The Real Housewives Unfollowing with Guy Branum

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Guy Branum, Emmy and Golden Globe writer, comedian, actor, producer and Jeopardy contestant is here! He unboxes his awards and shares his speech. The Pope has passed and who will take his place? I explain why some people believe the Origin Flight was fake. The Valley shares a look into divorce, custody and cheating. Post Malone wants custody of his daughter. Garcelle unfollowed the RHOBH cast. Guy’s passion on this reunion is unmatched! So juicy so fun! -Find exactly what you’re booking for on https://Booking.com, Booking.YEAH! -Go to https://RO.CO/JUICYSCOOP to see if your insurance covers GLP-1s—for free. go to https://RO.CO/SAFETY for black box warning and full safety information about GLP-1 medications. -For a limited time, go to https://SpotandTangocom/juicyscoop and use code juicyscoop to get 50% off your first order. -Visit https://Legacybox.com/JUICY to shop their $9 tape sale and get 90 days free acces to Legacybox Cloud. -Catch Sister Wives, All New, Sunday at 10 on TLC. Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod  https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales, her real life Mr. Safe and Serial Data, and Serial Sister. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up. Woo woo. Heather McDonald. Hello and welcome to a very exciting episode of Juicy Scoop. I have Emmy award-winning, Golden Globe-winning, former office mate of beloved podcaster Heather

McDonald of Juicy Scoop. You might know him from his humble beginnings as a farmer. Then he went on to UC Berkeley and became a full-blown lawyer before he realized that he should really be a stand-up comic slash model actor, showrunner, producer, all over intelligent delight. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop, Guy Branum. Great to be back. Excited to be here. Was that not the best intro you've ever gotten on a podcast as a guest?

It was a really good interview. I would say possibly the best. And also, I love when you get brought up on stage by somebody who really knows you, when you get introduced by somebody who really knows you. Right. Of course. It's nice, because you know where it's coming from. A lot of people love an unboxing. Right now we're seeing, if you're on TikTok, there's a lot of unboxing of people saying,

here's all the stuff I got from the, I'm not even gonna say it, but apps where you can get fake bags. And they unbox all of it. But you have something that we wanna unbox. So bring it out. Two very exciting things. I have my Golden Globe, I have my golden globe.

I have my golden globe. So it comes in a beautiful box. It comes in a beautiful box. I did not get to go to the golden globes because all of- And this is not from China. This is a real golden globe. No, this is a real one. Okay.

So it comes in a little box and then you open it up. Can you take it out? Of course. And is it really as heavy as everyone says? It's so heavy. Oh my God, it really is. Have you weighed it? Do you know what it is?

No, I like looked it up online to see which one weighed more. I've done my speech so many times. I'm just gonna do it one more time real quick. Okay, please. Wow. This is if Golden Globes did podcasting. Yes, yes. Wow. This is if Golden Globes did podcasting. Yes. Okay.

Yes. Wow. This is really heavy. I just thought this was a little thing I was going to do on the side so that someone would know I was at a comedy club. I didn't know that it would be as big as this, but I was just a little girl who was raised in the hills of Woodland, Woodland Hills, and south of the Boulevard of Ventura. And to think that I could make it here in Hollywood, if I can do it, anyone can do it.

818 till I die. Whoo! I'm gonna work this out. Thank you. Oh, which way do I go? Oh. Oh, hi. They never know which way to go. At the Golden Globes, you have a Miss Golden Globe, who is- Right, a nepo. They used to always mean nepos.

I feel like they're not nepos now. Leave it out. Should we just leave them out? Yeah, leave it out, of course. And then the much larger box of... Wow. And this is for your writing on hacks. This is for my writing on hacks, yeah.

I've never gotten one where you get to give, where I got to give the speech. This is my Emmy. Oh. Well, would you like to give your speech here? Wow. This is really beautiful. Which I was this thin. Oh, wow.

Yeah. When I set out to have this career as a podcaster, I didn't know that it would be in the Emmy category, but thanks to my award-winning episode, this one, I'm gonna imagine that they do episodes for best podcast guests, and this is gonna be the episode. Yes. So I did not know when I texted Guy, we're very professional,

and said, would you like to talk about Housewives? the episode. Yes. So I did not know when I texted Guy, we're very professional. And so she liked to talk about Housewives on Monday, April 21st, that it would result in this, but it did. This is for you, Mom and Dad. Okay. Actually, let's give your speech. Let's give our speech for winning. Okay. Oh, wow. I mean, this is so amazing. I just want to say thank you to everyone from the staff of the show, to the creators, Paul, Jen, and Lucia. I wouldn't have been able to do this without all of you. And we won.

You're not going to thank anybody else? Oh, I would like to thank my inspirations, who are Rabbi Hillel for teaching me to value the importance of all other people. Oh, that's nice. Mohandas K. Gandhi, who taught me the importance of peace, and my former office mate, Heather McDonald. Thank you. What is your middle name?

I forgot your name. Heather Ann McDonald. But that's fine. Ham. It smells ham. Ham, yes. This podcast is brought to you by Aura. Imagine waking up to find your bank account drained, bills for loans you never took out, a warrant for your arrest, all because someone committed a crime in your name. It sounds like a nightmare, but for millions of people each year, it's reality. By the time you get that breach notification email,

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Very smart. What I did is because the box for the Emmy is so large, I put that on top of a bookcase I had and then I put the two of them there. Out. Out. And then the Writers Guild Award is there as well. Amazing.

We just got nominated for a Peabody. And so if I win the Peabody, I think, you know, move the Writers Guild Award to a less significant place. Amazing. Now let's talk about some other big news in the world. Our Pope, Pope Francis, has died. Yeah. Just after he was part of the Easter mass, which is the biggest day if you're not Catholic or Christian, Easter is a bigger holiday than Christmas because we don't really know because we don't really know in the Bible when he was born exactly,

but we know we have historical artifacts of his death. So rising from the dead is a bigger thing. Now, also a lot of people say, why do we say he is risen? Grammatically, it should be he has risen. I say he has risen, but then I've seen that it's because it transcends time. And that's why people say he is risen. I say he has risen, but then I've seen that it's because it transcends time, and that's why people say he is risen. It really is sort of like one of the core concepts of Christianity that

there is the possibility for eternal life through God. And so his rising is not a thing that happens and is done, but is something that is continuous throughout all of Christianity. I thought Pope Francis, I'm not Catholic, I am Jewish, but I thought he was an amazing pope and I thought the work he did to open up and be inclusive of people who had been long forgotten, to try and understand a place for women in leadership in the church, to try and understand a place for queer people in the church. Yes, amazing. And there were definitely gay people who were angry

and like, that's not enough. And you know, like, But it was a step in the right direction. Who pope is still a pope? A step in the right direction. At this moment in time, understanding that steps in the right direction are better than a lot of steps in the wrong direction.

And, And he had this fun history of, like, he rode a motorcycle at one time, he was a bouncer at a nightclub. Like, he lived somewhat of a bit of a more of a life than, like, going right into the seminary at 13 or whatever. And I think that's what made him more relatable to more people.

He was Argentinian, so he, you know... So now we get to the place of who is next, which is always, I wanna say the only time I came close to a pope was it was in the 80s, I think it was Pope John Paul, I don't remember, and he came into like Dodger Stadium, and he was in the Pope Mobile, and he went through like Alvera Street

and my Catholic all-girl high school, we got a bus and we all went, it was a lottery like everyone wanted to go. And I had my little, I had a camera and I took out the film to go to the one-hour photo and I left my purse in one of the classrooms and it was stolen. Oh no. So I never got those photos. Oh that's terrible. And I always thought how crazy that the only time, knock on wood, I've ever had something

stolen like that, the Pope pictures were in there. But you did get to see the Pope. I did. I got to see the mass at the Dodger Stadium and then I got to see the, I mean, I can see it in my head go by, you know, in the Pope and be able to protect him from like bullets. And so now they get together and they see like who's a contender. And it's a lot of discussion of like,

who could take us to the next place? Of course, some are gonna say, this one's too liberal, too progressive. This one is too wants the masses to go back looking Latin. Who knows? But we've never had an American or where English is their first language. And I...

There were a couple of English popes before, at least one before the Reformation. See, I knew you would know that. Yes. But what do you think about what, would it be crazy for the world if they did choose an American cardinal? It would be really interesting. I don't see it happening politically, but it would be, especially at this time, because America has done so much in the last couple of months to sort of like remove itself from

the rest of the world. It would be really interesting to see what would happen. What if one was like, what if the one like there's like a, I think there's one in New York that they is very beloved. He's the one that has like the Catholic like dinner and like Jim Daffigan hosted it. Yes, Palace Mif's dinner, yeah. I think Timothy Dolan or something.

Like what if he was like up for it and now he's like, now I'll probably not get it like with everything that's going on. But the Pope did have a bunch of comedians and that all got to meet him. Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Chris Rock. I think Wanda was there. Oh, Wanda was there? That's cool.

And of course, Jim Gaffigan, he's like in there. And no, Heather MacDonald, but it's okay. It's okay. So anyone will see. But you know, he was 88, he was sick, but people do think, was it kind of a spiritual thing that he died the day after Easter? No, I mean, that he was that sick

and he showed up to perform on his big day. And it's a little bit like Bob Saget dying in the hotel room after his show. Or me fainting after saying Jesus loves me the most. Yes, it is. Just saying, there's a correlation. He performed his heart out and he left it all on the stage, and I respect that.

But did you, you saw Conclave, right? I have not seen it. Heather, how have you not? He performed his heart out and he left it all on the stage, and I respect that. But you saw Conclave, right? I have not seen it. Heather, how have you not? Because I'm like, I know, I have to. I'm going to see it. Now I definitely want to see it. It's the best, it's the bitchiest.

Because it's about them choosing the next pope. So now everyone's going to watch it. If I was the producer of Conclave, I'd be somewhat excited about this. You know that the producers of Contagion made so much money in early 2020, right? Oh, yes. Because everyone was rewatching it.

But first of all, Papal Conclave is like the ultimate reunion show. It is basically like getting everybody together and then hashing out what happened on the Pope Francis season of Christianity. I remember how I would always do that lady that was on like Montel Williams at Psychic. Yes.

What was her name that would like take her nails and write it like this. And she was wrong about a lot of things. It was the Long Island Medium, wasn't it? No, it was the Long Island Medium. It was this other- You were always picking things out of your teeth. Yeah, she was always like this.

And then people would ask her questions and she would get a lot of things wrong. Yes. But one of the things I remember she said is that our next pope is going to be black. And I was always wondering that, but our next pope wasn't black, but our next president was. And so I was always like, I wonder if she was seeing something, but who knows? Whatever.

I think one of the big contenders is a dude from Ghana. That'd be cool. There's an Italian guy who's the secretary of state now who they think, and I forget who the like. Oh, and there's a liberal candidate from the Philippines that is like the odds on favorite right now. Well, there's a lot of Catholic Filipinos, so I think that would be. Anyway, so there we go.

Rest in peace. You know, beautiful life he's led. Okay, now let's talk about, I've talked a lot about the women going to space and Gail did an interview where, you know, she's still shocked by the backlash. There were people, content creators, that put stuff together of why they don't really believe that they even went.

And I thought, how are they thinking this? Especially because I get why people don't think we went to the moon, okay? And maybe we didn't, or maybe they reenacted the moon for TV, who knows what it was. But I was like, I don't really think in this day and age they'd try to fake it. Well, these are the compelling reasons

why people think it's fake. Okay, I'm just gonna tell you the reasons. One is that the door was thinner than a door on a plane. Okay, so they're like, this is a door on a plane. Why was the door so thin on that thing? Now we know the person tried to open it, then he had to act like he had a screwdriver to open it. Jeff Bezos.

So I think that I thought, well, someone just opened it. The other thought is, normally these little pod things fall in the ocean, and it seemed to have fallen very hard. Why was there no EMTs waiting on site for someone who might have hit their heads or something, even though they were, I assume, strapped when they were coming down? So those were the reasons. I'm not saying, I believe they went up there.

The reasons they're not wearing helmets and all that is because they didn't go to the place where you need the oxygen in the helmets, correct? I mean, no, they're just going up. I mean, saying it's space is like they just went up so high in the atmosphere. That's what Peter was saying. It's not really... That you like kind of are weightless. And it's like, yes, things probably

didn't have the precautions that they had, you know, when we were doing this in the 60s, because a private company is doing this and isn't going to waste a bunch of money on it. I don't know. I think America is torn apart by everyone having a conspiracy theory about everything. True that.

But this person did say this was pretty funny. We are supposed to believe that that leftover Ted from Coachella with the gas station bathroom stall door landed from space. But I think we understand it was in space. They did not go to the moon and come back. They didn't go to a space station for six months. We've all seen those people who fly up in a plane and then the plane drops fast enough that they get to be weightless for a while.

Good for them. I think they just went up to a plane and then the plane drops fast enough that they get to be weightless for a while. Good for them. Like, I think they just went up to a high part of the atmosphere. Do you think that it would be a better idea to now interview some of the other women that are not Gayle King and Katy Perry about their experience going up there? Or should they just let this go? It happened last week, move the F along. It wasn't well received. I think they should let this go. I mean, I think they were trying to get people excited about space.

And I do think when- But is this a goal? Is this a thing that's gonna be like, this was just to get people aware of it, and now there's gonna be an opportunity where you can fill out an application and go, if you're rich, for whatever, $500,000 with seven other people or a million dollars with seven other people, and go and do this

and come back. What was the point of this for Jeff Bezos? It seems so stupid. I think Jeff Bezos, like, in the same way he really wanted his Lord of the Rings series that cost billions of dollars, he just wants to get people excited about space because he's a nerd. What was the Lord of the Rings series? Amazon has been making a grossly expensive

Lord of the Rings series. Oh really? Yes, it's terrible. Because I'm not into shit like that, so that's why I don't know. Because it was the thing he wanted to do, they have to spend all the money in the world on it. I just think it's like,

it is a pretty ridiculous waste of resources to spend all of those fossil fuels, I assume it's fossil fuels, to send people up into space. Do you think any of them were paid? There's also rumors of that. No, I think if you were Gail King or Katy Perry and it was like, oh, based on my fame, I can go into space, you would be like, absolutely, yes. And holding her set piece and her set list.

I mean, it was a good way. Look, it's hard to sell tickets to State, go see Guy Branham, because he's really funny. But even for the biggest stars, she probably was like, well, this is a good way to like remind people I'm going on tour. Like, I don't blame her. She's also been having a rough patch.

Like, people have been turning on her. Yes, this wasn't great. And so- There are a whole lot of Sabrina Carpenters and Chabal Rowans out there. Yes. Anyway, a couple other things. The windows didn't match, they said, from where they were in the tube to whatever. But I agree with you.

This is what happens when people not having enough highlights for kids in their home. Because it used to be- Highlight magazines? If you were, yes, you would have the thing that's the two photos and you figure out what the difference is. And now everyone has to go to everything that's posted on the internet and be like, that doesn't line up, that's not real.

Okay, so now let's move on here. This was really cute. I don't know who made it. This girl, Lauren, sent it to me, but she's like, I don't know who made this, but it's the real housewives of Uranus. That's very funny. And that was really cute. And they're definitely all pretty enough and style enough. And I did love the outfits. This podcast is brought to you by Aura. By the time you hear about a data breach,

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Aficionado. How do you say that word? Aficionado. Yes. And so we talked a little bit about it. Garcelle walked off, didn't take the photo, and now has unfollowed everybody. And Sutton spoke to Page Six. And Sutton spoke to page six and Sutton, I talked to Sutton at the master's and she told me she has not talked to Garcelle,

to Garcelle won't return her calls. And I was like, well, maybe just give it like a little bit of time and then be like, you want to come over, you want to meet like, you know, but then she unfollowed everybody, which is a real deliberate move because we all know you can just mute people and no one would have to know. So when you do that, you want the fans to know that you unfollowed them. I mean, she was making a statement. She's been making a statement since the reunion. I just didn't quite understand the statement. Her sort of saying like, no one smiled at me. I don't want to answer any questions. wish there had been a little bit more I wish I had more understanding of where Garcelle was coming from

I think Garcelle got what she wanted out of her four or five years on the show I think she could have gotten more out of it if she had stayed. I thought she was such a great housewife But yeah, I do you have a understanding? Yes, I do. Okay. I think she was pissed at Sutton. I think, and I don't think Sutton was consciously not being the friend that Garcel expected her to be. Sutton Strach does not have the capacity for loyalty. Sutton Strach does not have the capacity,

she's too much of a narcissist to care about other people enough to like be there for them. Sorry for interrupting. No, no, I'm just saying, I want you to give your opinion. So now, I mean, I have Sutton on here. I have been friendly with her, but I see what you're saying. I think she definitely really wanted to be friends with Kyle the way a girl wants to,

that's on a squad, wants to be best friends with the head cheerleader. And it's like, I just, I don't understand why I wasn't invited to that slumber party. Like I made everybody brownies. Like, what's the problem? So I think there was a little bit of that. And that's what, how Garcelle was perceiving it

when Garcelle had had her back during this whole time where she was seen as like, you're not supporting women. And so then when they're sitting at the final reunion and they're like, what was your favorite times of, and I believe Garcelle said it was going to Sutton's hometown or something and meeting the mother. And then Sutton says it was reconnecting with Erica. And again, I don't think Sutton consciously thought,

oh, I want to kiss Erica's ass. I just think she made the mistake in not saying something, catching on that at that point, Garcelle throughout the eight hours was not happy and hurting. She knew she wasn't happy. She talked to her at the lunch break. That she just should have said, I think if she would have said that,

I think she would have taken the photo. She may have still left the show, but I don't think it would have been this abrupt, I'm basically quitting and I'm taking my stapler. Her look was incredible. Incredible, they all looked beautiful, I thought. What Kyle thinks she's doing is untenable. Let's talk about the Morgan.

Okay, yes. So what did you think? Because I haven't really talked about that. And to fill people in, we finally, Andy finally tries to get her to talk about her relationship with Morgan, and she didn't. And Kathy's like laughing. It was so weird. She says she won't talk about Morgan because Morgan doesn't like it and she's protecting

Morgan the way that she would protect her children. And it's like, no you're fucking not. All of your daughters have been on that show a lot. Also, she's not a fucking child. She's the person that you're dating. You're on a reality show. That's your fucking job. And if you wanted to do light domestic comedy, you should have pretended to stay with Mauricio.

There's nothing left on that show. And that relationship is like a cool, juicy, interesting thing. And her believing that she can have that not be part of the show, and she can continue to be the center of that show. Eric, didn't you? And do the sexy music video.

Like if you really wanted to keep it secret, you just wouldn't have done that. You would have considered, continued to like, dress like Wayne's world, see her at her shows, and just say, I'm super supportive of her music. And we wouldn't have really had a right to continue the rumors. You obviously wanted the rumors out there

because you wanted the press, or that Morgan wanted the press. Or maybe at the time you were ready to come out and then you sort of changed your mind. I don't know. And also I think some of it is about firing back at Mauricio. You know, it's sort of like, look at me, I can be doing this too.

Well then fucking do it. Andy Cohen is our greatest journalist and like him sort of like pushing back at her about like, this has benefited Morgan, you know. Absolutely. Yeah, I really respect it and appreciate it. I always said it's like the way Matt Rife, the comedian, said, like, I don't want these girl fans that think I'm hot.

I want to be respected by guys. Whatever, however you kind of said that. It's like never shit on any of your audience members. And I kind of feel like she had that moment too. Like, I don't want to be the poster child for lesbian country delight that a middle-aged average demographic of a Housewife Bravo fan loves. And it's like, well, too fucking bad. People are going, women did find your music.

They are going to your shows. But she's like, well, now I've got it. So now I don't want to give you anymore. No, like it's really frustrating in not acknowledging the lay of lands. And also, but just like for the structure of the show, Dorit has given us what she can for a whole season. Good for her.

Erika Jayne gave us her goddamn life. I mean, picking on Erika Jayne was the show for three to four seasons. And like, Sutton's little cat sweater dates are not going to give us enough fodder for a season, and Bose's fake fertility journey is not going to either. What did you hear about our new show with Jimmy Fallon? Oh, no.

So Jimmy Fallon. Oh yes, they're doing like marketing Shark Tank, right? Yes, I mean I personally think, who cares? Who cares? I feel like those things are too inside baseball. Even when there's been shows about comedy, about fashion, and if they're too inside, like there was a fashion one about actually the life of a buyer for an apartment,

so like where they judge that. And I thought it was interesting because I had that job at one time. But like, you gotta, that's why Selling Sunset does well. We don't need to know that the term I report came back suspicious. Wear a tiny skirt and walk around an infinity pool that you're about to fall in.

Like, we don't need, like, so I'm like, I don't know that I need to like go through like, oh my God, this was the wrong font for the brand. I don't know, but he likes Bose because Bose has had a legit career in marketing, I guess. So she's got that, which,'t know, but he likes Bose because Bose has had a legit career in marketing, I guess. So she's got that, which, you know, one season and you're already on a regular show, I think could piss off people.

But- Bose is great. I just need to understand what warfare next season is going to look like. I need to- I know what it is gonna look like and I'll tell you right now. All right.

It's already rumbling. All right. That there already rumbling. All right. That there are some rumors about Bose as not being that great of a corporate executive supporter of women and women of color. Oh. So there's disgruntled people. I mean, how much do I want Garcelle around for that?

That's what makes me so sad. I know. Because like Garcelle, the thing that she really can do- And also that's just rumors, that's just a legend, whatever, but you know, they're always gonna try to find something the next season if you're too beloved and Bose is beloved.

Garcelle was really smart, but also understood that part of the job is stirring the shit. It was the skill level that Lisa Rinna and Eileen Davidson brought, but from a different perspective. And I loved it on the show, and I'm gonna miss it so much. Well, um, what did you think about the line of where DeRiette said, it's not like you're living like the queen of Sheba,

you live on a fucking main road. My girl has fucking pulled it out this season, left and right. You live on a main road. Now I called you a fucking cunt. Like, she, and also understanding has fucking pulled it out this season left and right. You live on a main road. Now I called you a fucking cunt. Like she, and also understanding that shivving Camille in front of everyone was the right answer.

Shiving, oh my God. Don't go for one of the main girls who are there. Understand that she is disposable. Like, Sutton's comments about her not being rich enough were so gross and distasteful. Sutton's money just comes from fucking Christian and she doesn't know where that money comes from and she spent three fucking seasons

yelling at Erica about how ill-gotten her gains were. Like Sutton really gets on my nerves, which is probably part of her job, but I like, Dorit did it. And I just feel like if we- But that's why Dorit, that's why Sutton, regardless of not having a super strong ally in Garcelle and why she probably was smart enough to realize,

no, I need to be close to the other women too. And she is interesting to watch. She is an interesting personality. We don't want to see her go. No. But I was- yeah, go ahead. Anything that gets Jennifer back. Jennifer cannot hold storylines.

Sutton, hi, Sutton. But she is so wonderful. She is really fun and I love her commentary. When she analyzes what's going on in the group, it's sensitive, it's clever, and it's funny. And it's like a new perspective. So I like it. I think she'll be smart. I don't know that she wants to become a regular,

she might just want to. But so someone, you know, I saw videos of someone going by, you know, the main road, the house. But then also someone went all through the roads to get to Doretz and Encino. And it's the opposite of a main road. It's many, many, many, many, many, many, many streets in. And then the person's like, wow, this is really tucked away

for someone to rob at 10 at night. Who knows? Who knows? It's all interesting. I don't think we will ever know the truth to that one, except what was presented to us in that random robbers came to that house because it's a beautiful house and they broke in to grab the bags.

Anyway, so she's had a great Easter. She, or Garcelle, she posted with her son and granddaughter and her other son and she's got, it'll be fine. It'll be good. Okay, I went to a fun thing. I went to Vanderpump Villa. Oh, very cool. That's Stassi.

So this is on Hulu. And it's, she has like a villa that people come and what goes on with people that work there. But the second season is Stassi from Vanderpump Rules and her husband, Beau, and their two kids live there. But then other people come guess and stuff. This is South of France, right? Yes, I think it's in France, yes.

And then, so this was a really nice luncheon that I went to, so that was fun. That's lovely. So Andy Cohen has no part of this? No, this is Hulu. It makes me happy that Lisa was able to take her brand and go somewhere else. I'm sorry that I should probably watch that show

because I kind of miss Lisa and Ken. Vanderpump Rules is coming back with an all new cast. So nobody is leftover. Yes. Which is kind of like Real Houses of New York. And then you have Real Houses of Atlanta where it's like two or three oldies and then like four new. So it's like, it's a whole thing, but we see. I'm getting to see how Gen Z does,

you know, hot, drunk and slutty fighting. You know, I would like a little energy from that, like that from that generation. Yeah, you're right, it would be a Gen Z. So then I went to Paris Hilton being honored at LA Magazine and I was just next to Heather DeBrow and so my friend took a photo and like the Heathers were on the red carpet.

I think Heather is such a great talent. She looks really good. Her hair is looking good. She's always classy. She looked great. Paris's always classy. Yes. She looked great. Paris was fabulous at this event. She was lovely.

She spoke at the end. And I have some exciting news, which I don't know if you might know it. But for me, she announced her book is becoming a series. Oh, I didn't know that. Paris's book, which I really loved, which was about her childhood, the aughts, the antics, whatever. And of course you could add anything that wasn't in that book.

She didn't say who's playing her. She didn't say what network, but she said it's the biggest and the one you'd want, so I assume it's Netflix. And I think it's a great idea. Well, it's just such a fun world to go back to. Yes. Things are, there's so much anger and uncertainty right now

and I think going back to a time that was just like, there was also such a rich environment of young, exciting celebs who were all in each other's lives. Yeah. Did you ever watch American Woman, Kyle's series? Just a little bit and I was into it. I just think for, you know what, you know, for whatever reasons, things just,

if they don't immediately become a hit, they just don't continue. It's really hard for comedies in a world of like eight to 10 episodes. Like things don't really land. But I think something like this, where the audience, it's in the past, but it's not so far in the past

that you could have fun with it. Like the reason, but it's not so far in the past that you could have fun with it. Like the reason like the OJ shows, the Menendez shows, like all that stuff from the 90s, 2000s, I think people are like craving it. And I think you could have a lot of fun with this series and that doesn't have to be completely your life. They could take three boyfriends

and make them one boyfriend for three seasons. It doesn't have to be that. But it's Paris doing this stuff. There were like three separate Greek shipping areas, I think. Yeah, she had lots of guys and arrangement. And then she went away for a while. I remember I ran in, when we were doing Chelsea Lately,

Kathy Hilton was talking to me and I'm like, what is Paris up to? Because it seemed like the Kardashians had taken her spot. And she's like, she is doing, she's got all these clothing lines, and China loves her, and Japan loves her, and so she also is doing her 30th fragrance. If I were doing this show,

I would make it all about... Maybe they'll call you. ...the girl who organizes her closets becoming, like, eclipsing her. Like, I would make it a little all about Eve. Well, that could be one season. Yes. Like, there could be several players and things like that.

And then you have the Faye Resnick, who was friends with both Chris and Kathy Hilton and was the interior designer for Kathy Hilton. And then when the Kardashians took off, she felt she needed to have loyalty for Kathy Hilton. And then when the Kardashians took off, she felt she needed to have loyalty to Kathy Hilton until one day she called Kris Jenner, and Kris Jenner said, all right, come over. And they made up, and now they're all friends again.

And so are Paris and Kim. It's very juicy and interesting. I know a lot of Faye Resnick's. Would this be the morally corrupt Faye Resnick? Yes, it is. With the perfect face and body who's still stunning today. She hasn't showed up in so long, and I just, I miss a Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

where Faye Resnick shows up. Because you're like, this is gonna be a good episode. She's never gonna shift higher than third gear, but she will make shit happen. And the thing is the reason why she's such good friends with Kyle, Kathy Hilton, and Kris Jenner, is she, I she will make shit happen. And the thing is, the reason why she's such good friends with Kyle, Kathy Hilton, and Kris Jenner is she, I've hung out with her. She really is a very happy, good time, fun friend.

And so, and interesting. So it's like, yeah, that's the friend you want to keep around. She's married to an athlete? No, she had her husband now. He's, Kris Jenner married them. He's good looking. He's just like, I think he might just be a businessman or something. But yeah, they've been married a while now.

And like she's a grandma, like she has a daughter who's like Chloe's age. So she's got like a five year old grandchild and like she's loving life looking great. Okay, so The Valley. Yes. premiered. Yes. I wanna hear, yeah, you didn't watch it last season, but I gave you an assignment to watch it just so we could discuss.

So the thing is, is my experience of Vanderpump Rules is just the backdoor pilot from like season three of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. But like, I was immediately like, the show is amazing. And like, I do think that Jax, like, when he was hot bartender just fucking everything that he could and making all trouble, he was so hot and compelling to me.

But him as 45 year old, old goat, still doing the same thing is just as hot to me. And like, I was a little bit, the extent to which some of the play pieces within this game are four-year-olds made me feel- Actual four-year-olds. Actual four-year-olds made me feel a little uncomfortable.

And also it's weird- Oh, because it's, because we are watching Divorce and Custody and things like that. Yes, and like, well, what if I decide I wanna go to New York, Newport Beach? Oh, that whole thing. I did a video right after that a lot of people resonated with where I was like, the thing that bothered me about it, and I'll just explain that part just because you brought it up.

There's this guy, Jesse, and he's a realtor, and he's got a wife named Michelle, and they broke up at the end of last season, and they are going through divorce, and they have a four-year-old daughter. And she says, she goes up to him at Brittany's event, and she goes, anyway, so I talked to this woman who helps consult with LA schools for whatever the daughter's name is. And he goes, why would you do that without me?

I'm like, she didn't enroll the kid without you. She just said, hey, I'm talking to somebody, and like, she was being, to me, I thought she wasn't trying to usurp his power, okay? And then he's like, I don't know that anyone wanted want her to go to school in L.A. Maybe she'll go to school in Orange County because he's dating in the school in Orange County. And I could feel her anxiety as a mom with a four-year-old daughter where you're like, we don't get along, but moving to a whole other county that would be two hours away

and possibly not being in my daughter's life on a daily Basis or having to move was never what I thought I'd be at and it's like and then he goes why you kidding? You're getting aggressive and then they ask him and he's like they're like, are you really thinking about he's like no Let the chaos begin and I was like to see a guy and the comments under there We're like it's always the father that didn't let you that didn't watch the kid while you took a shower for 10 minutes that then in the divorce is fighting for 50-50. It just was triggering that he was showing his cards to the producer.

And I know women do this to men too, and it's really unfair and it sucks. And that's why people choose to have maybe children on their own or whatever, because you can't move to different counties when you feel like it, if you're sharing custody. But that made me crazy. Okay, so continue what your other thoughts are.

Well, and also it's weird to go into a show like this not knowing the lay of the land because the woman, is her named Janet? Janet, so let me tell you the history of Janet. Yes. Janet came to LA, saw Sheena Shea at a party, became friends with her. The next day Sheena was like, we're going to Disneyland, saw Sheena Shea at a party, became friends with her. The next day Sheena was like,

we're going to Disneyland, do you wanna come? She came, they were friends. She was a personal assistant, like executive assistant, became friends with her and then became part of the friend group. And so then when casting it, you know, she did great in the interviews and she's really friends with them

and she has a cute husband and that's why she's on the show. It's kind of an amazing. People who incept their way onto Bravo shows, very impressive. It's pretty genius. It's pretty genius. But just, I hated her so much. Like, the question of fake apologizing and the question of the people

who willed miscarriage upon her. It was like, it's so funny because from a distance, I'm just like, it's hilarious that this, she's like, you're willing miscarriage upon me. Wait, and let's just explain what that was. So the way I understood it as, there's this guy, I forgot his name. It's a gay guy. Is his name Zach? Zach. Zach, and he's very funny.

And he came with Britney when she came on my show years ago when she was planning her wedding to Jax. So they go way back. So it's completely appropriate that he's on the show. All these friendships are real. These were not cast like, you know. So he's there and he was really hurt because Janet had an event last season

in like Big Bear, a baby moon, and she got mad at him and she didn't invite him or Kristen. And you know, it's not just not inviting, it's like now I'm not on camera for three days, now I'm not part of something, now I'm gonna be talked about, and it just really made him mad. So I guess he went on a podcast or said something,

oh, he said something to somebody and then she repeated it, Janet, on the podcast that she believed that he said, I don't care what happens with her pregnancy or something. And by saying, I don't care what happens with her pregnancy, I believe then she interpreted it as that he was wishing a miscarriage on her. It was a reach in my opinion.

I mean, I didn't know how concrete that was because I was wondering, Zach and the other woman who she was mad at, I forget her name. Kristin, I was like, maybe these are real terrible people, but it was hilarious that this one was like, I was so stressed out because you said that you hoped by I didn't carry my baby to her. It was a stretch.

And to Kristin, who was actively trying to get pregnant the last couple of years, and is like, you know, in her early 40s, so it's, you know, a challenge. She was like, I would never say that. She goes, fine, well, maybe your friend said it. It was just weird. So I get all that. How do you feel about what we're going to see this season with like Jack? Oh wait, who else you want to talk to?

I want your impression of the woman who is up top there because her speaking voice is hilarious. Okay, well, they are just, again, a perfect, this is a perfect cast in my opinion, because he was like a child star. Oh, really? He was a child actor and still an actor and he's like a big voiceover actor. She was second runner up in like Miss America. Wonderful.

Her being like, my body is destroyed now. But I wanna have one more. Yes. And then it'll be my body and that he wants to go to Santa Clarita and like, I think, yeah, I think they're a good addition to the friend group. Who are you talking about?

How great Santa Clarita was? It was really funny. The way they really have great editors and it's really funny. And you know, the sad part is, to the Jackson, the Brittany, that we will watch some ugliness this season. It's so hard. Like, it's just so distant for me, the whole notion of like,

God, I don't wanna be that guy who flies off the handle, but I have to fly off the handle. I just wanna say, go back and watch Vanderpump Rules from the Stassi years and stuff. Because there is a scene that is sad and crazy, but people are putting, it comes in my feed, and it's Jack's cheated on Brittany before they were engaged,

but they were like living together, I think. Cheated on her with this other woman. I don't even wanna say her name because there's been a lot of legal stuff, but cheated on this other woman. She recorded them, gave it to one of the other cast members, and they had the audio of him speaking poorly of Britney. And they so they're all having a party in one of the apartments.

This is how long ago it was. They're all doing shots for hours with the cameras. The guys are doing shots, the girls are doing, and somehow it comes up and they're all drunk and they're... And Brittany's like, I want to hear it. I want to hear it. And she listens to it. And that's when she's like, rotten hell, Jax Taylor, rotten hell. And they all are... All the girls are like, you know, getting upset. All the guys go down the hall to the other guy's apartment. And they're like, oh shit. And they're left there with James Kennedy. And he's like, you guys can't gang up on him.

And Lala's like, are you fucking kidding me? For once, the girls can be in like, console her. And then he goes, the camera work is so good. And he's like, ah! And he's like running with his legs. He's kind of skinny. He's running out and the girls are all screaming, gathering around her and they're all buzzed.

And they're all, it's amazing. But then also I'm like, the thing about where I feel for Brittany, being that she's been on the show for 15 years. It's like, it's one, a lot of people get divorced. A lot of women get divorced and they look back and they're like, I should have known that. I should have known that. The red flag, you literally could have watched it back. You could

have watched it back before you walked down the aisle. You could have and maybe not believed when he's like, I'm a changed man, you were there from when my dad died. And for that, I feel for her, because this is her life, this is her livelihood, there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube, but at the same time, like you literally had it in black and white, and you were watching yourself in a movie, like a Black Mirror episode, you could actually have watched it. But it's also so clear why they are attracted to each other

and why they keep going back to each other, and I do kind of love that. Yeah, they're not ever gonna get back together. Yes, but like, they will fuck again. It's like- Yeah, they're not ever gonna get back together. Yes, but like, they will fuck again. It sounds like they might, because he keeps insinuating that like, she wanted to hook up and stuff like that. And she's like, oh my God, Jax, no I didn't.

Like, we'll see. But I think that she is officially done. I think she's at a point of her life as a mother that she's done. Yeah, you got a fucking three-year-old, you know? And you gotta, well, and also they have the podcast together? No, now they have officially split off the podcast. But while they were separating, going this,

they were still like recording together. Now he has his own, and she took over the one that was already established. Every single one of them has a podcast, which is fine. We all can have one, not for everybody. Post Malone had a baby a couple years ago, and he has filed for custody in Utah. And the girl filed in Los Angeles, California. And apparently people believe because California would require more money and it's more expensive and you know

But he did it in Utah because it might favor him or something when a celebrity man Applies for full custody of their child It is clearly in no way about their child support commitments and is about their love of playing Polly Pocket with her of course Yeah, he wants to do her hair. He wants to do her hair. He wants to teach her her letters. No, it is like, I mean, it's so transparent. And it's like, dude, like, what are you going to say that that she spends too much time at Pilates? You are a musician on the road. Like, I get that you're pissed or whatever, but come on, you're. You want to know who the real assholes here are here. It's Post Malone's attorneys

because Post Malone is famous for having face tattoos. There is not a judge on this goddamn planet, especially not in fucking Utah, who's going to give him full custody. It's just... Also, like, honestly, it's not fair, but a woman being denied any level of custody really requires a pretty significant level of dereliction of responsibility. It's not gonna happen, but his lawyers are going to be able to bill him for hundreds of hours for this. I will say it can happen sometimes

when people are that rich and powerful. It really can, and that's what's really scary. So who knows? Hopefully they'll come to their senses and figure out something that's like amicable. But also we need to understand the fucking rules. If you have a child with a professional athlete, you get money for 18 years.

Right. Like we all just. We all remember the Jamie Foxx song. Yes. Yeah, so anyway, love Post Malone's music, find him to be a delight. We don't know all the moving parts. We don't know why he feels that this is to be, but it's a nightmare.

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They're still best, she's- Oh, best friends, really? She on Graham Norton, Graham Norton, after Andy Cohen, our second greatest journalist. Yes. She said they're best friends and they talk to each other every day,

but also like they could never get back together. And I really love that. Well, now she's with Billy Rayson. Her son is a model. I believe he's out gay. He has the most gorgeous face I've ever seen. He's luminously beautiful. That's a child who should be a model.

There was one time early on where she was seen embracing or kissing him, and people were like Oh my god, who's this like young hot guy? It was her son. Yes, but um She they're very very close. Anyway, they post she posted them together on easter He has bunny ears on they're like it looks like they're at like a farm Um, her friends were hearting it the son son hearted it, so they seemed to like him. It's a weird match, but who knows? It's Slim Pickens after 50 people.

Yes, and also once you've been in celebrity world for that long, you're all the same thing, and you're all just cruising around in the same world. And I also think, yeah, it's like Elizabeth Hurley has already married the like responsible businessman who will take care of the children for you. And that's who she had these kids with. Yes.

And now like I think it is time to cruise along. You know, do this for two or three years. Have fun with it. Hang out with Miley. I know. I just, I don't. You know, you know that the juice behind the mom. What? Okay, so Miley's mom married this guy

who was dating Miley's sister, Noah. No, really? For a while before then they got together. That is. And then he married, and that's why I wanna say Trace Cyrus and Noah didn't go to the wedding of the mother, but Miley went. So I'm curious how Miley will like Liz Hurley.

I don't know what there isn't to like. I think Liz Hurley- So I think they'd get along. Liz Hurley will know how to manage her. And I just love, there's like a certain set of the supermodels from the 90s, who just have been the most beautiful and the richest, and they're never going to do anything

that they don't want to do. And it makes me so happy. I love it. Okay. Also, according to the Neighborhood Talk, which is an Instagram and news source, whatever, that I follow, allegedly they're looking to redo The Bodyguard, which was Whitney Houston and Kevin Costner where he was actually her bodyguard and she was a version of herself and they fall in love.

And you know, it was, and it was that song and we all loved it. And they've talked about redoing this many times with other up and coming singers, Taylor Swift, whatever. And now they're saying the talk is to maybe make it Kim Kardashian, which it wouldn't have to be a musical. It wouldn't have to be a singing thing. The storyline of a big star falling in love with her bodyguard is great,

and I think it can be many versions of it. We love making shitty colorless remakes of movies that were good before. We've been doing it a lot over the last 20 years, and I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to do it. I think that her publicists are the hardest working people in Hollywood, and I would love to be in on that pitch meeting.

The wonderful thing about a story like this is she doesn't have to lift a finger, she doesn't have to go to her law school classes. They just send this out and we talk about it. But I literally don't think you can make a remake of The Bodyguard after Whitney Houston and not have it be a singer who sings an iconic song. I mean,

I agree. I want to see it a singer. It doesn't have to be a famous singer though. It could just be someone who can, like an up and coming singer. And we just sort of take a little bit of Adele's life. Like maybe she's a single mom, a little bit of a Taylor Swift thing with young kids following her.

You could create a fake person and then just put a girl that actually can act and sing that's maybe not at the level of an Adele. It's sort of like A Star Is Born. Like at this point in time, A Star Is Born has been- Done four times, I think. Yes, but it's been Judy and then Barbara and then Lady Gaga. It has to be a singer of that level.

Adele, I think, is a really brilliant idea. One of the things that makes me saddest in show business is that Adele will never be hard up enough for money that she will host a game show. And I think Adele has the skill set where she can. I truly think the magic of still having the fat girl inside but having the body that she always dreamed of is perfect. I love her so much, but like, I want to,

like, I want to see Adele act. Like, I think she- She has the most gorgeous face. She has the most gorgeous face, and also like, she's a real person. And she's funny, like she talks on stage, like she definitely like- Yes, if you find the right role for her,

if you find something that is sculpted and built for her, like she could be the loveliest. Now, since you brought it up, the fat girl inside, being that a lot of people are now thin and have the ability to be thin pretty easily, do you think that does haunt people? Like, how do you feel? Where do you think Kelly Clarkson is in her journey

of one time being a curvier girl and now is like a size four or two? I think there's something when people have had to always have this thing in their brain yelling at them, to have that thing removed and just be able to live their life on other terms, I think is really liberating for them. Fabulous, I agree. And so I like that there are, you know, I have a complex relationship with weight and with

my own weight and there are people who, you know, I see do it and I'm like, but I love them so much for who they were before. But like, I don't know, like to me, Adele is someone who just lives in her own honesty and I have so much respect for that. Now, Lizzo was someone that was really known for body positivity and really was like the leader of that time. I had predicted that she, the minute I heard about Ozempic, I'm like, watch, Lizzo's going

to get on it. I just could tell her personality, she would want to explore that. She's gorgeous no matter what size she is. She's talented no matter what size. She came in some heat because she had these dancers suing her. I guess that is a way. I guess they dropped out when they tried to feel the heat that maybe they didn't have the evidence. And now she's thin or thinner. I mean, whatever, she's lost a lot of weight. She looks great. And it's like people hated her so much that she was confident and curvy.

And now a different group of people hate her for abandoning, they see her as abandoning the confident and curvy. It's like this chick just can't do anything right in the eyes of certain people. A couple of things. The first one is Roxane Gay, I believe got weight loss surgery and she was like, don't fucking talk to me. Who's Roxane Gay, I believe, got weight loss surgery and she was like, don't fucking talk to me.

Who's Roxane Gay? Roxane Gay is a really well-known writer. She wrote Bad Feminist. She's really, really smart and great. And she is like, six two and large. And she was basically like, you don't have to go through, like, don't fucking talk to me about this. This is not about me not respecting fatness

or believing that fat people should have more rights. It's just trying to exist in the world a little more easily in a world that isn't built for me. But I also, when I worked for Totally Bias at W. Camille Bell, we were in a meeting and there were like guys talking about Chris Rock's hair documentary and sort of like a bunch of men talking about how dumb and terrible it was that black women process their hair

because they should be able to love their natural hair. And they left the room and all that was left in the room after that was me and black women who were really fucking annoyed with people having opinions about what they should be doing with their hair. And what they said to me was basically like, I do not have control over my hair until I have control of it under all circumstances where I am able to make these choices. And so as a fat person, I think people being able to have more control over that, it is hard that it is so financially discriminatory. It is really hard that it is something that only some people

have access to. And I hope it doesn't push back our conversations about being able to accept more people under the terms that the Lord made them. Yeah. But I think just behaving, and nothing makes me madder than when people, wealthy people lose weight and then talk shit

about what a busted and weak and pathetic person they were back when they were fat. It's like, no one would choose to be extremely fat. Like it is not a result of personal weakness. It is a result of bodies being different. You know? And like- And a lot of people that struggle with their weights

had what they call an almond bomb. Do you understand what an almond bomb is? Of course I understand what an almond bomb is. I don't know that everybody does. It's really fascinating. But you of course know that my two favorite articles in women's magazines are Right Jeans for Your Body Type and How to Healthfully Snack for the Holidays.

And you know. Handful of almonds. Yeah, instead of a latke, have five almonds. Instead of a Christmas cookie, have a cube of cheese. Yeah, and all the things that like, you know, your mom said to you that then screwed you up and then you might've been a different parent to your child and probably not been enough of that and then like there's people that there's all men grandmothers that then produced a mom

that then maybe was like have whatever you want to their daughter and then that daughter's like I wish you would have taught me how to eat better like it's just a constant cycle like it's hard. Trying to not communicate your own damage to the person you are raising is really, really hard. Yeah. And also understanding the politicization of the science around these things. It's like when we were young,

people were like, be healthy, eat nothing but white rice. Yes, yes. You know? And I remember, yeah, white rice, and I was like, I would have white rice. Yes, yes. You know? And I remember, yeah, white rice, and then just like I was like, I would have like a baked potato for dinner, like or all the fat-free cookies and the sugar-free and all that crap.

Now it's like, no, just eat like real food. And you know, it's just crazy. But wait, I wanna ask, because people are gonna kill me if I don't ask, you were on Jeopardy. So I just try out for Jeopardy every year since they've had the at home thing, but I always say that I'm from Los Angeles.

I probably would have gotten on sooner if I said I was from the little hometown that I'm from, but I always wanted to represent West Hollywood. Okay. And once they started having Celebrity Jeopardy, my manager also represents Joel Kim Booster who was on Celebrity Jeopardy. And so I was like, can you get me on Celebrity Jeopardy, my manager also represents Joel Kim Booster, who was on Celebrity Jeopardy. And so I was like, can you get me on Celebrity Jeopardy?

And he was like, they don't want you. And so that made me sad. But then after Ike Baron- So as a kid, I mean, you are such a wealth of knowledge. You are smart, naturally smart, but you also are book smart. Yes. So was that something that you would watch growing up all the time and just know all the answers?

I watched it with my family, and then I did competitive trivia when I was in college, and I really, really loved it. And I love going and doing pub trivia at the gay bar now. Okay. But I, like the things that, so I always did it in February. And then this year, Ike Barroninholtz won Celebrity Jeopardy

and then he did really well in the Tournament of Champions up against real players. And I was like, ah, I wanna do that. And then I saw a thing where Emma Stone was like, I don't wanna do Celebrity Jeopardy, I wanna do real Jeopardy. And I was like, I wanna get on real Jeopardy. So I took the test and this year they like called me,

or I guess last year they called me. What's the test like? The test is 50 questions and it's just sort of the questions that you would see on Jeopardy. You just do it like online? Yeah, you just type it in, there's a timer. I remember I missed a question about where the crawdads sing, Like, um, like, uh...

That book? Yeah, like contemporary... Wait, do you remember? Let me see if I know it. Uh, I forget what it was. It was just like it said the name of the author and that, um... Oh, you would have had to know the title of it. Yes. Okay, got it.

Um, so I, like, did that, and then a couple of months later, I got an email saying, well, will you take the test again? Um, but they do it a second time, but they have somebody monitor to make sure you're not cheating. And then they do one where they chit chat with you to make sure that you're able to tell an anecdote

and perform under stress. And then finally, or at the end of last year, they called me and were like, would you come in and be a standby for one day and then come in and be a standby for one day and then come in and actually do it two weeks later? And I said, sure. And then I went and I was on Jeopardy.

And- What was the result? So like the whole day that I was there as a standby, I was watching this guy who was like winning all day long. And I was like, I think I could beat him. And then we went and when I came back for the real day, I got picked for the first game and I went into the first game and I did end up beating the guy who was the returning champion.

Unfortunately, the guy who was on the other side of me and was taller than I was. How could that be? I know. Ended up having more money going into final. He beat me. But we both beat the returning champion. So that made me happy and it was close. So then you didn't leave with anything?

You get three grand for coming in second. But also there is a thing now called the second chances tournament where people who have performed well in a game against two champions or who have very good stats get to come back. And so I have hope that- Is there anything that the fans can do, the Juicy Scoopers can do to get you back on?

I mean, if you wanted to email Jeopardy and say, we loved Guy Branagh, and he was so great, we would love to see him in Second Chances, I mean, I wouldn't be bad about that. Okay, I love it. Do you know what's going on with Wendy, the latest? I mean, I just, is she under a conservatorship? Is that her and Don?

Yeah, they're good friends. I love Don. I was on the round table under a conservatorship. Is that her and dawn? Yeah, they're good friends I loved on I was on the roundtable with him on her show How is she doing? So I just saw a quick video of her. Uh-huh. She seemed completely fine She's sitting in a car and she's like I always did my banking at Wells Fargo myself I don't understand why I can't have access. I You know had to fire this person and hire this person, and I just want that freedom. I think it's really confusing for everybody,

like how she ended up in the place of the person that we saw in the documentary, because that doesn't appear to be her now, thank goodness. She seems way more like with it. I don't know if it was just alcohol that we saw and maybe it wasn't dementia. Maybe it was, I don't know, but she doesn't seem like she has dementia

or Alzheimer's or anything and it's insane. Mental health and mental acuity are so hard. And like, like do you understand it can come and go? I just really would hope and wish that like, that judges are taking seriously their responsibility to put people in the care of people who will take care of them and not fucking Jamie Spears, you know?

I know, it's crazy. So speaking of that, wait, I wanna go to, well, I'll just say Jamie Spears. Britney is back wearing her brown sensible pumps out on the streets of Mexico, which is always a concern of mine, why she loves her shoes so much. Then also there's, speaking of child stars,

where's our girl, Amanda Bynes is joining OnlyFans, but she said there's not gonna be any sexual stuff, but she'll just talk to her fans. So if you're curious about it, join her, give her her things. She's also like a nail tech. The way she talks is very strange, how she uses social media. And it's just so sad.

She was so funny, she was so talented. And it's really unfortunate that there weren't people there to take better care of her. And you said you were watching a doc about the Glee show. Yeah, on Max there is a doc about, it's called like The Price of Glee. And it's basically just about, you know, the fact three of the core cast members are dead now.

And you know, what a simply ridiculous set of responsibilities they put on those children. Like what? What stood out to you? So it was, they're not just on a show, they're also on a show where they're having to be recording one to three songs every week and learning choreography. And then they figured out that it was a goldmine,

so they shot 22 episodes And then they figured out that it was a gold mine, so they shot 22 episodes, and then they sent them on tour for the whole summer. And so it was, for so many of those kids, the opportunity to make all of this money, but also no time or space. And by kids, I mean, most of them were in their early 20s. They were young adults,

but that there was nobody there sort of like caring for them or you know worrying about their mental health and their capacity to deal with it. I don't know like we know so many of those people who are the super pro young performers. You have seen them and it's like always impressive and you're proud of them. But I think having somebody there who can, you know, say this is not an adult, you know, this is not a full grown adult. Right, I mean, that's interesting, you know, and with the Glee, because of course,

we've seen the Nickelodeon special with, and then right now on Netflix, there's a three part series called Bad Influence. That was the story of this woman, Tiffany, whose daughter was named Piper Rockefeller and she was big on YouTube and Tiffany and her younger boyfriend Hunter were in charge of filming and all and then they'd bring in other kids, some were people they knew, other single moms and then they would have these squads and it kind of

exploded during COVID and it was sort of like their own version of friends, but as they got older, they would be like, now that you guys are gonna be a new relationship, you're gonna be, Dan and Melissa are gonna be, DeLisa or whatever, and they would do this whole thing, and they'd put it in the YouTube thumbnail, and then there were, but they were also, because it was YouTube, there were no rules of teachers or anything.

And they were working them for all these hours. And the kids were like, this isn't fun anymore. They're getting older. So if they did leave, they'd already had their, then they would get their own YouTube channel. But then when they would go leave, then they would show the Piper and the rest of the kids, so Melissa's gone and

we're going to unfollow her. And they make a video and there would be Melissa at home watching all of her friends and her young boyfriend unfollow her. And then the hunter, they're allegedly hunter and the mom, Tiffany, because they helped establish their YouTube channels were able to like tank them. Yeah. So then they didn't have that anymore. And then there were sexual abuse accusations as well. I mean, it's so troubling that all of this social media stuff

has none of those legal protections. There is, you know, a lot of these people are working their children, or at least monetizing their children. Oh, Moses Storm is a very funny comic, and he has an HBO special, but the best thing about it is he posts, his mom decided that they were going to get money

from America's Funniest Home Videos, and so he posts like the raw footage of his mom trying to get him to knock an egg off onto his sister's head. And it is just like, you know, 30 years beforehand what people are doing now. And it makes me feel weird because I, I don't care about dogs or cats. I like a toddler.

And so there are so many accounts, like there is this Orthodox Jewish labor and delivery nurse with five daughters who I am obsessed with. And like other people are like, they don't like that this person is posting monetizing videos where she shows her daughters and stuff like that. I think it's so fun and funny, but I also understand feeling weird about it.

You know? Well, it's like, so we got an agent, Iris Burton. Uh-huh. And really my sister Shannon is the one that booked all the stuff. And back then, I guess there was a lot more money in commercials and things like that because there's only like five channels.

So everyone would see her bold three commercial, and her little face, whatever. And so then she said, mom, everyone's asking me how much I make on these commercials at school. And my mom, I don't think, gave her great advice. She said, just say a lot. Okay, so my sister, who's pretty sweet and like wasn't at all sassy at the time,

they're like, oh, you think you're a star, you know, whatever, I think she's gotta be bullied. How would she make it? She goes, I just turned around a lot. And that didn't help the bullying or anything. And, but they did, they did make money from it. And I look back and, you know, we got an addition to our house.

And they paid for her college, but she had to pay for her own law school. And I'm like, I mean, what was she gonna do like 10 years later? Wait, mom, you shouldn't be paying for Heather's school. Like I'm the one that made, I mean, there's no way, like the account, even though there was this Kugen Laws and stuff, there's no way to like prove and she was got a car, she got to go to private college.

I mean, there wasn't anything like that. But like, I did a podcast a couple of weeks ago with my friend, Tess Barker, where we did a deep dive on the Olsen twins. That was really, really great. She's actually one of the podcasters who sort of like made people aware of what was going on with Britney and was like very much involved in getting Britney free. Yeah. An amazing person.

But just that thought of, just thinking about the Olsen twins were like nine when that show was done. Most of- And started with their babies. Most of the time they were there, they were not forming permanent memories. Yeah.

And it's just so weird to be like, would it, what's the exchange of having your childhood entirely stolen from you, but in exchange, you do start out with a billion dollars, you know? I think what's lovely is a child that actually is a twin, that has someone else, and parents that obviously did it right. And I don't think it's always bad.

I do think we need child actors to tell stories, but it is a very fucked up risky thing. I mean, I think the way my sister did it, my niece did it, was good, because it wasn't like they were on a series, but at the same time, like, I'm looking back and I'm like, mm. A fair amount of, like, I know so many LA people

who just did LA levels of child acting, and they were like semi-involved, but they still had a life. And it's also really interesting, I like watch a lot of shows that ran for one season or did a pilot and nothing else, and there's something interesting about those kids, like Kyle Richards, who were like in the mix, but not everywhere.

You know, she's like a different situation because her sister was like famous, famous, you know? The sister Kim became very famous. And you know, and it is really, it is interesting, you know, because Kathy was older and Kathy was getting the stuff. Kathy was like the beautiful baby model. And then Kim just, it just started to hit just kind of like, like with my sister, like it was that blonde, blue eyed look. Kathy was like the beautiful baby model. And then Kim, it just started to hit,

just kind of like with my sister. Like it was that blonde, blue eyed look. They just like wanted that. They did not want the brown hair, brown eyed, whatever. And I remember like going all the way to an audition, okay? And my mom had to take me out of school and drive there. And by the time we got there, I was just really tired. And then I'd be at home and I'd be like doing characters in Dancing with My Mom and be like,

why, and she would say, why can't you be like that when I take you to Hollywood? That wasted so much of my time. And I remember immediately feeling really, really bad that I fucked up. And then I, and it was then that I started to realize that I'm not just going to do a fun thing. I'm wasting my mother's time if I don't get this job. I mean that's terrible and I do think there needs to be more time for children to play, to be bored. You know I do think the different children that I know and the

different relationships to screens are really funny and interesting to me because I do think having time when you're not being entertained and have to entertain yourself is really important to making an interesting person. And like you shouldn't, us being adults who have monetized our charm is weird enough. You know what I mean?

That like us being interesting and engaging people is kind of what we sell, is like weird for just negotiating the rest of life, understanding what on and off is, let alone a fucking child, you know? Yeah. It's very interesting. Now Guy, remind everybody again,

where they can follow you. You're such a beloved Juicy Scoop guest. Thank you for having me. I am at Guy Branum on Instagram and most social media. I am at Guy Branum Comedy on TikTok. And please, if you are in Chicago on May 5th, if you were in Minneapolis. We're in Chicago, what's the theater?

The Den Theater. Beautiful. In Minneapolis on May 7th, San Francisco at Club Fugazi on May 19th, Alligator Theater in Seattle on May 21st. Some people- So tell us a little what the show is. Are you telling just juicy stories?

Are you telling stand-up? It's a little combo? So it's a solo show. It's a solo show that is like ostensibly a Ted Talk where I'm explaining that there's no reason for my life because I am a clinically obese gay man and I examine it from the perspective of religion and the perspective of science and evolution and then I sort of use that as a way to tell some stories from like you're a

really good storyteller I am like much more a like logic and one-liner kind of guy, but I use it to sort of explain why I'm not comfortable telling stories about my life and then force myself to tell some uncomfortable stories about my life. I love it. You're so funny and so entertaining and everyone go see his show. And thank you.

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